What Became of Alice Todd? Schoolmate Molly Winn Tells of Her Capture by Comanches near San Saba, TX

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  • In this episode we read from the December 11, 1941 issue of the San Saba News, where Mrs. Molly Winn tells of the kidnapping of her classmate, Alice Todd, by Comanches back in the winter of 1864-65. Mrs. Winn and Alice Todd were schoolmates at the school in San Saba. We also read some additional stories from "Indian Depredations in Texas," by J.W. Wilbarger.
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  • @davidmuir7711
    @davidmuir7711 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Much obliged for this follow-up about Alice Todd. Y’know, it seems to me that for these German settlers to choose dealing with the bone-breaking hardships, privation, and Indian depredations of the skulking red murderers, well, it betokens me to wonder just how lousy was life in Germany that the homesteaders preferred taking their chances here in Comancheria?

    • @LongdistanceRider22
      @LongdistanceRider22 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      They were surfs…. at least in America they could be landowners

    • @esmeraldagreen1992
      @esmeraldagreen1992 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Serfs, not surfs.

    • @esmeraldagreen1992
      @esmeraldagreen1992 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Random fact
      Mauritania " abolished" slavery in 1981, though the ban was not enforced, and many people continued to be held as slaves.

    • @LongdistanceRider22
      @LongdistanceRider22 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@esmeraldagreen1992 thank you Esmeralda

    • @ellacarter1442
      @ellacarter1442 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Remember who were the original owners of the land

  • @dogparty-tt8qw
    @dogparty-tt8qw หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    What a rough way to live…

  • @justjosie1163
    @justjosie1163 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    Thank you again for telling our ancestors ' history and what they suffered through.

    • @user-lb3hd7ip4o
      @user-lb3hd7ip4o 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      YOU FORGET the native red Indian it was their Homeland not your Ancestors FACT.

    • @justjosie1163
      @justjosie1163 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @user-lb3hd7ip4o My ancestors won against the hostile Indians and built America out of what had only been a violent backwards stone age land. FACT.

    • @justjosie1163
      @justjosie1163 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      ​@user-lb3hd7ip4o They lost despite their savagery. Get over it. FACTS

    • @justjosie1163
      @justjosie1163 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@user-lb3hd7ip4o They lost! FACTS!!!

    • @lesliestopp9525
      @lesliestopp9525 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @justjosie1163
      You call it losing, I and many others would call it the genocide of the native people who, for thousands of years, predated the settlers that had a greed for the lands they inhabited. A very wise man once said the love of money, was the root of all evil.

  • @luisrobles0453
    @luisrobles0453 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I tell everyone I come across about this channel. Great channel and these stories should be told.

  • @timothyramsey7010
    @timothyramsey7010 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Poor Alice breaks your heart

  • @lambastepirate
    @lambastepirate หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Always a great story thanks.

  • @shawnaweesner3759
    @shawnaweesner3759 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Evil and good manifest within every race of people.

  • @donnafletcher5386
    @donnafletcher5386 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Good to tell the truth since they seem to forget some of the Native Americans started the attacks.

  • @Jackielocks
    @Jackielocks 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Really interesting- so glad I came across your channel! ILove History and can’t believe how some people are trying to cancel the History that makes them a bit uncomfortable. We live in a world that is 3/4 lunatics..or so or seems some days lol Liked and Subscribed!

  • @alanice8087
    @alanice8087 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks!

  • @spacey118
    @spacey118 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The Todd line. How fascinating

    • @jakeroberts7435
      @jakeroberts7435 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yeah Lincoln said something like God made do with one D in his name but of course the Todds needed two, insinuating they thought highly of themselves.

    • @spacey118
      @spacey118 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@jakeroberts7435 hahaha now that insult has teeth

    • @jakeroberts7435
      @jakeroberts7435 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@spacey118 I think Mary Todd's family came out of the Collins bloodline, and Linclone was a Rosicrucian, he was a man of many faces, an actor with handlers. Pinkerington of the all seeing eye being a major biggy in that field

    • @spacey118
      @spacey118 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jakeroberts7435 oh yes… going back to ruscomb and the killers

    • @spacey118
      @spacey118 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jakeroberts7435 also… I believe he code named his handlers cherry tree… not to be confused with apple pie

  • @tracietaylormaddocks7114
    @tracietaylormaddocks7114 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Tracie Taylor
    Maddocks Again, I Totally
    Love Ur Program!!!
    Thank You ☺️

  • @Jennifer-pb9nd
    @Jennifer-pb9nd 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    your previous episode relayed that she was 6yo, and another telling of the story I believe stated she was 7yo. 14yo is really far off.

  • @michellejennings4259
    @michellejennings4259 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good video

  • @josephpadula2283
    @josephpadula2283 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Not a biologist but I know what a woman is .
    Anyway we need to find a genealogist to track other children Alice’s father had or trace her fathers family
    Then get DNA tests .
    Check Native American DNa on file to see if there are matches .
    Check with someone that knows how things work to see how statistically possible this is .
    You could solve the mystery .
    Stands with a fist ????

    • @septembersurprise5178
      @septembersurprise5178 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Was thinking much the same. Familial DNA test?

  • @cplmpcocptcl6306
    @cplmpcocptcl6306 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The Plaque for Todd Mountain shown, has Mrs Todd’s death 3 weeks after the attack. Not 5 days.🤷‍♀️

  • @user-zh8il6zh6o
    @user-zh8il6zh6o 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It does snow in Texas,16in.and more, also blizzards come in the Panhandle

  • @bonnielucas3244
    @bonnielucas3244 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Todd name is in my family but it came over in 1881 from England with my great grandfather and he never lived west of eastern PA

  • @karenhill3970
    @karenhill3970 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Pure evil ..

  • @bryantsnider3908
    @bryantsnider3908 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    There anything on tennessee

    • @mr.miller3432
      @mr.miller3432 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good ole rocky top

  • @karenhill3970
    @karenhill3970 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cant listen anymore ..too sad im Texan

  • @karenhill3970
    @karenhill3970 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Horrible really horrible im Texan ..and yes all this horror was true

  • @karenhill3970
    @karenhill3970 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Mean devil s

  • @jollyjakelovell4787
    @jollyjakelovell4787 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Saba is *not* pronounced Saw-bah. Please keep these intriguing yet sadly not well known tales of history coming. Apologies

    • @luisrobles0453
      @luisrobles0453 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The word San in Spanish mean holy.

    • @jollyjakelovell4787
      @jollyjakelovell4787 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@luisrobles0453 The river, which gave the name also to the county and the town, was named by the governor of Spanish Texas, Juan Antonio Bustillo y Ceballos, in 1732. He called it Río de San Sabá de las Nueces ("River of Saint Sabbas of the Walnuts"), because he and his troops had arrived December 5, the feast day of St. Sabbas (439-532), a major figure of early Christian monastic life. Santa Cruz de San Sabá Mission was established on the river in 1757. Saba is an Spanish version of the Aramaic word Sabba or Sabbas meaning old man.

    • @jackiemack8653
      @jackiemack8653 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@jollyjakelovell4787Odd that if you remove the s from
      Sabba you have abba
      Beautiful facts! Thank you!

    • @jackiemack8653
      @jackiemack8653 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@jollyjakelovell4787Odd that if you remove the s from Sabba you have abba
      Thank you for great info!

    • @samlindsey1078
      @samlindsey1078 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      I have never heard anybody, including people born raised in that part of the country, pronounce San Saba different from the way it is in this video.

  • @karenhill3970
    @karenhill3970 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Can think of nothing worse than this im Texan and yes.....they were savages....🇨🇱😡

  • @lesliestopp9525
    @lesliestopp9525 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    People seem to conveniently forget, that native American were captured and held as slaves too, along with the African-Americans. The Comanche and Kiowa had heard the stories that passed from tribe to tribe. They were prepared to resit the encroachment of settlers into their territory. It is well known that the Comanche were capable of great love towards the people they adopted into their tribe. They were also capable of fierce savagery against those not of their tribe. The point is, that we, the white settlers from the time we stepped our feet on the shores of this continent proved ourselves to be a brutal, lying, and greedy race

    • @sherylwilson865
      @sherylwilson865 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lol, except the Mexicans were just as bad to the Apache and Comanche. You can't blame it all on the white eyes. None of the people are innocent of any of the atrocities.

    • @chilltarts
      @chilltarts วันที่ผ่านมา

      There’s good and bad in every community. Anytime you paint an entire population with a general coat of judgement, you are not doing justice to the truth. 🤷🏽‍♀️

  • @user-uy5zf5ck2i
    @user-uy5zf5ck2i 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Please get your facts right. You said that Mrs. Todd died 5 days after been severely wounded but the remembrance stone say it is about 3 weeks.

  • @melanie.l6282
    @melanie.l6282 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very pretty girl Certainly not 17 too little

  • @user-sn7pv3qy8s
    @user-sn7pv3qy8s 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    They were so courageous!!!!! And we, as modern day Americans, feel strongly put out when told to wear masks, temporarily, to avoid the deadly Covid pandemic.

    • @invictaone8514
      @invictaone8514 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The masks were useless and that’s a fact so was all the other tyrannical malarkey that the bloated government came up with.

    • @chilltarts
      @chilltarts วันที่ผ่านมา

      Way to totally miss the “freedom” these settlers were fighting for 😂

  • @melanie.l6282
    @melanie.l6282 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Those stories of white women taken by Natives always very interesting accordind to others accounts Natives would always took blond or red girls and married with them
    Well know stories of Cyntia married to Quanah

  • @makeupgirl8886
    @makeupgirl8886 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How has this guy proven that this story is true. I question it because we never get anywhere close to 14 inches of snow in central Texas. Maybe, Amarillo, but not San Saba.

    • @user-zh8il6zh6o
      @user-zh8il6zh6o 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      This comment is false😮

    • @sherylwilson865
      @sherylwilson865 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Texas gets quite a bit of snow. I live in East Texas and we've gotten over 6" in one snow storm. Plus the pan handle gets a lot.

  • @jacobhollar8849
    @jacobhollar8849 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Savages

    • @karenhill3970
      @karenhill3970 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      You said it ..I'm 4generation TEXAN 🇨🇱and what my Grandparents told us , they STILL remembered , would make your blood run cold ..and I won't repeat what they said ...it's sickening

    • @nicholejefferson6904
      @nicholejefferson6904 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The wt man? Yes, and they still are!

  • @carolclark5776
    @carolclark5776 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Seems like they would start getting woke, I mean, it was over with the galling gun, cannons all that

  • @JoLeeR25
    @JoLeeR25 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    do you ever describe what the white men did to the Native men and women that caused them to be so hostile????

    • @unworthyhistory
      @unworthyhistory  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      th-cam.com/video/LN1Nre47dTM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OCWQRdzDY365TPUz

    • @nancylowe2692
      @nancylowe2692 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The tribes always fought amongst themselves, stealing from each other & taking slaves, hostages, etc. When settlers started moving in & laying claim to land, it was a continuation of that behavior. They had no conception of land ownership & if they saw something they liked, they took it, whether it was a little girl with red hair or ponies. Not all tribes were so brutal & warlike, but many were.

  • @user-lb3hd7ip4o
    @user-lb3hd7ip4o 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    It was the Native Red Indians HOMELAND not your Ancestors.

    • @Swimkid1
      @Swimkid1 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      As horrid as these one-sided tales depict of the peoples who land was actively being taken by force (and repeated lies about supposed freedom). It would be good to hear both sides of the story.
      Regards, Dave

    • @normamcmanus1139
      @normamcmanus1139 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It wasn’t their land either. Their ancestors walked over a land bridge from Asia. They are not native to America which meant they would have always lived in America. Not peoples who migrated from Asia.

    • @nancylowe2692
      @nancylowe2692 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Some of them migrated from the Holy Land in 600 BC, as told in the Book of Mormon. Their descendants formed some of the tribes of Native Americans in the Northeast (Great Lakes area). DNA tests show they have Hebrew markers. ❤

  • @KerrieKruegner
    @KerrieKruegner 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Unworthy histiory?im not American and I’m aware there were Indian attacks and which tribes were responsible and/or why there were attacks and what led up to there occurrence Scalped in the usual Indian fashion ? Sorry this practice was not started by the Indians Just wonder what your agenda is with the areas you concentrate on with no context in Unwirthy History

    • @cplmpcocptcl6306
      @cplmpcocptcl6306 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That they had to be taught scalping is apocryphal. And quite insulting.

    • @Swimkid1
      @Swimkid1 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Who taught the native homeowners may I ask?
      I understand this practice related to the afterlife in some way?
      Regards David