Literally redeemed from among men after Christ's resurrection to begin the New Creation. Just as literal as Jesus. Just as Spiritual. Luke 2:34 / Matt 27:52
Amen. I gather that implies it includes Non babylon New Creation (Heaven's Mt Zion true worshippers as some or most of the foreshadowing OT prophecies have been fulfilled and being fulfilled already.. as unfolded in the NT, Lord Jesus centric and ultimately returning in full manifestation on earth as it is in heaven).
@@trulyso734 The New Creation is the church in heaven - the resurrected 144ooo / 12k per tribe - of Rachel's children slaughtered by Herod and redeemed (bought back) by Christ. They were taken to the Father and they are coming back with Him to claim their land- to defeat His enemies and rule with Him. All who are false witnesses to the resurrection of the dead with him will be destroyed at Armageddon. Believers are added to them by faith. They are the Law of Christ. Jer 31:15-17 reveals who they are and their promised return to save those who are in the faith. Rom 10:9 tells us how we can be saved. 1) Trust Jesus as Lord and confess continuously. 2) Believe wholeheartedly that God raised Him out of them - the dead - the saints that slept - Rachel's children - Jesus' generation. False teachers have left out the resurrection of the dead since the first century. 2 Peter 2:1 says they even deny the One Husband who REDEEMED THEM! Luke 2:34 says they would "speak against / deny their resurrection" We have been deceived Rev 12:9 for 190oo years.
The 144ooo are not "Jews" Rev 7 and 14 identifies and numbers them as 12k each tribe (not just Judah) firstfruits having been redeemed (past tense) from among men. This took place at the resurrection of Jesus Christ 2ooo years ago. Literally redeemed from among men after Christ's resurrection to begin the New Creation. Just as literal as Jesus. Just as Spiritual. Luke 2:34 / Matt 27:52
By Rev 12 they will be kept from harm "in a wilderness".. have you got a sense where that would be? That bit does sound like a literal tribes of His chosen ones geographically and not all believers across the world then? I read the 144,000 to-be as symbolic of redeemed Israel (the 'all of Israel') ie the Chosens of God as part of the 'church' of Messiah Jesus which begun after the Lord's resurrection til Peter of the Acts of NT Apostles started the jewish church and beyond that.. extended it amazingly across the earth's further regions via Saul turned Paul. (Yes it would probably include past redeemed OT saints; the firstfruits of Christ who will enter the earthly millenial city of zion whilst potentially we of the present endtimes generation ..post the Lord's ascension.. will be heading in straight to a holding place for the great wedding banquet in heaven til the New heaven and New earth is made ready a millenia later, earth time, which may feel like just a day in timeless ageless heaven). Am all good with that too. BUT if we who await His return (knowing the signs of the times) remain and are alive at a majestic heavenly blow of the last trumpet / last day of this age just before His return (physical 2nd coming back to the earth for His millenial reign).. then glory to God, we will get to be caught up to meet Him in the air and descend again with Him, for we shall ever be with Him; into His millenial reign along with those resurrected saints of old. Just as we are told in 1 Thess 4. I believe like this and praise the Lord and God Most High..
@@trulyso734 As far as Rev 12 there is 2ooo years between Rev 12:5 and 12:6. The man child is Him and the children in vs 5. The woman in vs 6 is the remnant of Jacob. There is no such thing as a JEWISH CHURCH. We are all one new man - one new creation in Christ. There is no Gentile bride. The bride is them - the heavenly Jerusalem - the Kingdom.
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Literally redeemed from among men after Christ's resurrection to begin the New Creation. Just as literal as Jesus. Just as Spiritual. Luke 2:34 / Matt 27:52
Amen. I gather that implies it includes Non babylon New Creation (Heaven's Mt Zion true worshippers as some or most of the foreshadowing OT prophecies have been fulfilled and being fulfilled already.. as unfolded in the NT, Lord Jesus centric and ultimately returning in full manifestation on earth as it is in heaven).
@@trulyso734 The New Creation is the church in heaven - the resurrected 144ooo / 12k per tribe - of Rachel's children slaughtered by Herod and redeemed (bought back) by Christ. They were taken to the Father and they are coming back with Him to claim their land- to defeat His enemies and rule with Him. All who are false witnesses to the resurrection of the dead with him will be destroyed at Armageddon. Believers are added to them by faith. They are the Law of Christ. Jer 31:15-17 reveals who they are and their promised return to save those who are in the faith. Rom 10:9 tells us how we can be saved. 1) Trust Jesus as Lord and confess continuously. 2) Believe wholeheartedly that God raised Him out of them - the dead - the saints that slept - Rachel's children - Jesus' generation. False teachers have left out the resurrection of the dead since the first century. 2 Peter 2:1 says they even deny the One Husband who REDEEMED THEM! Luke 2:34 says they would "speak against / deny their resurrection" We have been deceived Rev 12:9 for 190oo years.
The 144ooo are not "Jews" Rev 7 and 14 identifies and numbers them as 12k each tribe (not just Judah) firstfruits having been redeemed (past tense) from among men. This took place at the resurrection of Jesus Christ 2ooo years ago. Literally redeemed from among men after Christ's resurrection to begin the New Creation. Just as literal as Jesus. Just as Spiritual. Luke 2:34 / Matt 27:52
By Rev 12 they will be kept from harm "in a wilderness".. have you got a sense where that would be? That bit does sound like a literal tribes of His chosen ones geographically and not all believers across the world then?
I read the 144,000 to-be as symbolic of redeemed Israel (the 'all of Israel') ie the Chosens of God as part of the 'church' of Messiah Jesus which begun after the Lord's resurrection til Peter of the Acts of NT Apostles started the jewish church and beyond that.. extended it amazingly across the earth's further regions via Saul turned Paul. (Yes it would probably include past redeemed OT saints; the firstfruits of Christ who will enter the earthly millenial city of zion whilst potentially we of the present endtimes generation ..post the Lord's ascension.. will be heading in straight to a holding place for the great wedding banquet in heaven til the New heaven and New earth is made ready a millenia later, earth time, which may feel like just a day in timeless ageless heaven). Am all good with that too.
BUT if we who await His return (knowing the signs of the times) remain and are alive at a majestic heavenly blow of the last trumpet / last day of this age just before His return (physical 2nd coming back to the earth for His millenial reign).. then glory to God, we will get to be caught up to meet Him in the air and descend again with Him, for we shall ever be with Him; into His millenial reign along with those resurrected saints of old.
Just as we are told in 1 Thess 4.
I believe like this and praise the Lord and God Most High..
@@trulyso734 Read Gal 4. He sent His Son to redeem "them"
@@trulyso734 As far as Rev 12 there is 2ooo years between Rev 12:5 and 12:6. The man child is Him and the children in vs 5. The woman in vs 6 is the remnant of Jacob. There is no such thing as a JEWISH CHURCH. We are all one new man - one new creation in Christ. There is no Gentile bride. The bride is them - the heavenly Jerusalem - the Kingdom.