In the 1960s I was an apprentice Deck Officer in the British Merchant Navy. One time the ship I was on was being guided by a local Danish pilot into a blind dock and he wanted to swing the bow of the ship to port as we came to the end of the quay. Unfortunately Danish for port is larboard and the helmsman upon hearing the command ‘hard to larboard’ spun the wheel to the right (starboard) and I have this everlasting memory of our 15,000 ton ship climbing onto the dock and demolishing the grain unloading gantry waiting to unload our cargo The good news was it took two weeks to repair the gantry during which time we young matelots were able to get to know the many pretty local lasses
Should have included 1844 as the date the Royal Navy officially adopted the word ' port' to define the larboard side of the boat. This was to prevent confusion between larboard and starboard when used in adverse conditions or amongst sailors with different language or dialects.
Port and Starboard originate from Nordic (Viking) terminology and was called Styrbord and Bagbord (and in fact these names are still used in Danish today for Starboard and Port). As you mentioned starboard originates from the fact that this was the side where right-handed helms would steer the boat. Bagbord (now Port) as this was the side the helm would therefore have his back to. The Nordic terminologies were adopted across languages like German, Dutch, Afrikaans, Spanish, Portuguese, French ... Bagbord since become larboard, as this was the 'loading side' of the boat and to avoid confusion in commands onboard between starboard and larboard, larboard was shortened to Port ... however as mentioned in some European languages the original Starboard and Bagbord are still used for Starboard and Port ...
From my Master and Commander I know port was originally and confusingly called larboard. Since starboard was the side with the steering it made sense to tie up on the other side. Larboard or loading side. This was changed to port to avoid confusion with starboard. Why? Well this side was where you tied up whilst in port and perhaps also because this is the side porters would load from.
As the size of boats grew, so did the steering oar, making it much easier to tie a boat up to a dock on the side opposite the oar. This side became known as larboard, or "the loading side." Over time, larboard-too easily confused with starboard-was replaced with port.
Must be a total diffrent feeling to exploring Venetia in winter time, alone and have the place exclusive for your self! With good guidebooks it must be heaven! Barbro Sweden
An option that appears low on cruisers list (if someone can elucidate me on why) is to go to egypt/red sea. Pay one time transit fee good for return trip within year. Lots of nice places to anchor and when spring arrives back to the med. Get to see lots of nice underwater stuff and experience interesting cultures and a bonus if able to visit Eritrea.
The winds favor a southeast sail but occasionally reverse to allow for a northwest sail. Do a search for a young dutch couple that recently did the trip with lots of info.
Sweet! I got it right. Great video as always and looking forward already to the next anchoring video and all the others. Best of luck with the new Brexit/Covid bureaucracy and planning.
The word port, for the left side of the ship, is in my language danish Bagbord (Back table translated directly) comes from the Old Nordic word bakki or bakka, which means a place a ship could dock. When the rudder was on the right side, it was therefore most sensible to lay the left side of the ship at the quay.
Hello guys, thanks for these valuable discussions re.- permitted durations of stay in various countries in the Med. My wife and I are planning to buy a sailboat in Croatia in April 2022 and “loaf around” the Med till late September, then over to Cape Verde for the ARC. We are based in Mexico with USA/Mexican and Canadian/Hungarian passports between my wife and I respectively. I’ll message you when we set sail from Croatia and hopefully we can meet up somewhere in the Med. Regards - Ferenc (Pancho :-)
Portside was the side that was put against the quay for mooring this was the side that did not have the steer board (starboard) it was done this way to protect the steering board. port to the quay starboard away from the quay
23:25 San Marino actually is on the eastern, "Riviera" side of Italy, 200 km down the coast from Venice, vis-a-vis from Croatia. It's a nice little country and town in the hills, which indicates the problem involved: You can't sail there! (marinas around Rimini are available though). OTOH, a 90 days stay in a landlocked area smaller than Brighton, away from Fair Isle, might not be too funny(?)
Yes I was mixing it up with Sanremo which is over on the coast near Monaco. I should have realised as I remember San Marino used to have a Grand Prix, sounds like an interesting place.
@@svfairisle It's nice and picturesque for a day trip or a weekend - been there by car! Alas, didn't remember the Grand Prix (in Imola), even though Michael Schumacher was so successful then (not my sport). Another nice place might be accessible with your new dinghy: Alberoni on the south end of Lido - a small harbour, a beach, the park(!) (golf course)
Port side to the dock so the steer board is not fouled. Or as I remember it coming up the channel home ports are on the left, but that only works for the English!
I would highly recommend Morocco as a stop on your way back across the Atlantic. We are a US-flagged vessel and in 2018 we left the boat at Marina Smir and land travelled throughout Morocco with the family for 2 weeks. Our boat was very well cared for and we had nothing but positive interactions with the very generous Moroccans.
I might say that depends on the language. In Portuguese, "Port side" translates to "Bombordo" which when separating the word "Bom" - "Good", Bordo "board" or "side". What I've heard is that on time of discoveries when portugueses sailed the coast of Africa, the left side was land, so "Bombordo" or a kinda of "safe side".
Your videos are always so well produced. I really appreciated the info around the Schengen and Covid challenges sailors are facing right now in the Med. We are planning to be sailing in Croatia during the time you guys plan to head over there. It would be amazing if our paths cross!!
@@svfairisle Ha! Sounds great. Our marina is in Slano just north of Dubrovnik. We will keep following your adventures and if our boats cross paths let’s have those beers! Cheers - Kivanc & Danielle
Funny, I always thought port and starboard originated with the great triangle, was it called? When ships from England would head south to Africa, maybe pickup sugarcane for mostly making rum, and then heading to the Americas and north up the coast to deliver and maybe pickup supplies before heading back to England. This was a big triangle and the way all ships went; the left side of the ship always faced the port and the right always faced nothing but to stars. Not sure where I heard that but that’s how I’ve always remembered which side was which.
Provision for a few months and continuously cruise the Med for as long as possible, fair winds and following seas. Hope it all goes well, soo many sailors stuck in many places. Gone with the Wynns are stuck in Tonga; their insurance is running out and they need repairs etc. Covid is really screwing cruisers up all over the globe.
Steering on the right , starboard, dock against the left side to protect the steering when you are in “ port” .... late response but we always save fairisle for Saturday evening ❤️
In Scandinavia the opposite side from starbord (styrbord - the steering side) is Backboard, as the rudderman is facing the steering ore, his back will be turned to the other side of the boat - backboard (bagbord).
Hi you two, another great video, i posted your video to FB Group Med Sailing but admin took it down after a few hours, mad really as it was what gets asked on the group every day and your collab with the other sailers was so informative. Thanks anyway and many have responded saying they love your channel. Keep up the epic work 🙏
Originally larboard, the left side (facing forward) was dock or side closest to the port, because the steering oar needed to be away from the dock. Hence "port" side.
My mother is an expat living in northern Cyprus. She already has been given the first part of her covid vaccine and most of the Turkish residents already have their first and quite possibly their second vaccine injection. Its a fantastic place and heartily recommend anyone to visit. If you plan sometime in your future to visit North Cyprus i hope that you will get in touch so that i can put you in touch with my friends and family there who can provide information on places to visit and any required assistance you may need.
The left hand side of the boat was always against the dock or pier. The name Port eventually developed to signify which side of the boat was going to be against the pier. The starboard side of the boat was not used for load/unloading a boat because the steering arm, or tiller, would often get in the way when loading longer items like lumber.
Port was originally larboard, or more accurately laddebord, referring to the side of the vessel that would be hard against the dock to allow for loading/unloading. The vessel had to be docked on the port/larboard/laddebord side given that the starboard-mounted steering arm needed to be free.
Ziggy you've spoiled next episodes quiz question!!! Venice has the first quarantine island so ships didn't have to wait 40 days at anchor, we were going to film there.
Re paying VAT on return to UK: it is possible to claim RGR (Returned Goods Relief) if you return after 3 years, due to special circumstances ie. extended cruising/circumnavigation. The CA (Cruising Association) has been working hard to clarify this issue with HMRC which you can check out on their website.
Beautiful filming and interesting re the implications of Brexit for longer term Mediterranean cruising, at least until some longer term access is hopefully granted 🤞Port is called port I think because it was the side of the boat next to the dock as one would otherwise risk smashing the steering oar and also not be able to manoeuvre as freely?
Love your edits! I'm a medical doctor from Turkey. If you get your residency permits for more than 1 year in Turkey, you are eligible for Universal Health Insurance in Turkey due to aggreement with U.K. which is practically equal to NHS. That covers everything including vaccines, you can use all government hospitals freely for any medical conditions, not only for emergencies. Definitely way to go and cheaper than private emergency health insurances. For more info just search Universal Health Insurance at SGK (Turkish Social Security Department) website, ID cards issued by government have a special number on them which you can use to get insurance from government.
Some facts from the north :) In Sweden these names comes from the Viking ships: Styrbord (Starboard) = The side of the boat with the steering oar attached (Styra = To steer). This was considered the best side of the boat. Babord (Port) = This is the side that the crewman steering will have the back turned to (bakom = behind) . The term has evolved from "bakbord" to "babord". The crew located on this side of the boat was called "babölingar" and it was not a flattering thing, I am not sure why this is though... I think the English term comes from the fact that you will dock the boat with this side towards the "port"
@@Andy-sj2dv It is funny that the names basically is identical, also cool that you have the "original" form of "bakboord". Ours has as I sad evolved a little bit...
Hope you are both well. Great film and as usual excellent work. Sailing around Australia seems a breeze. We only have 49 active cases in Australia and life has returned pretty much to normal. The government plan to vaccinate the whole country by the end of next month. I am just in the middle of servicing my engine - why are engine bays so small. Unfortunately, my 13-year-old daughter Victoria has had to resume chemo for a brain tumour we were told had stopped being a bother. You have to keep smiling, and it is so good to see your smiling faces on film! All the best!
Hi Ken, sorry to hear about your daughter but very glad you guys haven't got the added problem of Covid, it's been a major issue here that cases like your daughters haven't received the vital treatment they need because of the hospitals having to deal with the epidemic. Looking forward to watching the Prada cup at the weekend and seeing all you antipodeans frolicking around toghether! We all look at the crowds on the shore now and think it's really odd, 'what are all those people doing together, and where are their masks?!'
Quite informative. Got my first shot of the Pfiser vaccine today. Life has really changed in a short period of time. I am only a few weeks away from one year of working remotely. Who would have thought. It really seems as if you have to remain very flexible in your planning. Stay safe and congratulations to Judy again.
Starboard comes from the old indo germanic expression "stare bored", which is roughly translated "the side you stare bored out from your ship expecting the port showing up soon". As we know the port always showed up on the other side! This also explained why in the past, before all the modern navigation, travel by sea took so long.
To you both thankyou for the wonderful uploads.Im looking at a 49 ft Hans Christian 41.It has 3.5kw gen set also no watermaker? How are you both getting on with your generator what size?? Many thanks
I love the 41, prettiest of the lot I think. We had a 5kw diesel gen set aboard Fair Isle, we rarely use it and it's caused us lots of problems, the only unreliable thing on the boat. We are currently trying to configure things to do without it completely. I just finished fitting another solar panel today actually. This is a 405w bifacial panel adding to the 775w we already have. I think with the uprated alternator and the Ecoflow Delta that we have we should be okay this year & if we are I will take the generator out and fit a Lithium house bank which will be much better than having a generator.
Lots of great non- Schengen regions in the Med. We love Tunisia, Morocco and have even enjoyed Lebanon, Israel and Egypt. The only one which took a bit of negotiation to sort out the insurance, was Lebanon, but all very well worth it when you get there!
@@svfairisle - I rarely look to visit the 'most visited ports' anywhere, so it would be okay for me! 😃 Go off the beaten path. It's really not dangerous in any way. Lebanon, Israel, Tunisia, Egypt and down the Red Sea are fantastic! The Alexandria Yacht Club (Egypt Yacht Club) is really extra special and the food is exceptional. Though the food at the Alexandria Greek Yacht Club, more of a restaurant really, has excellent food as well, but without the over the top style of the Egypt Yacht Club in Alex. So much to see everywhere around the Med without worrying about Schengen! 😃
Yes we've spent a lot of time in that region working and may well take Fair Isle there. At the moment it seems that would mean not having boat insurance though as when we set it up it seemed difficult to even include Morocco.
My personal story about Port and Starboard is : When you are arriving home from the atlantic - left side is Port ( Arriving home in UK) and right side there is nothing e.g. you can watch the Stars... ( Starboard)
I always thoroughly enjoy your videos, and today found your discussions with friends particularly fascinating. Thanks so much. How am I ever going to manage Couch to 5K when I'm glued to your channel?
The international travel requirements are so complicated and more importantly subject to change we decided to curtail any travel plans until the situation stabilizes...when that happens is anyone's guess. Roll the dice. Our immediate problem is the health of an elderly and frail mom, really just hanging on, so we're quite anxious. The route to see her is transpacific. I'd give my right arm to paddle and walk about an empty Venice. You hit the lottery on that one.
Port: Travels from England to India. Port out, Starbord home. To have cabin on the shady side. Also backgroud for "posh", as informed by a scot I knew. Vikings also used steering oars on SB side.
How long it takes to build up all the complex, varied skills and knowledge to do a good job of self-maintaining a boat. And its all packaged in one paiir of hands, then (not that you’re going anywhere soon) lost... good to share on here but its not easily searchable. Maybe build a database of this? Its very good.
Not sure about all, there are a lot! Noonsite and Noforiegnland are the websites we use most often, they have reviews posted by cruisers, so good information.
On professionally crewed yachts the crew are "signed on" and subsequently out the Schengen zone when they join and this stops their 90 day clock, regardless of the country they are from. You just go down to the local port police with the ships papers and they stamp you "out" on your passport. Now superyachts are usually registered in Cayman Islands but I see no reason why you cannot do it on your own UK registered yacht. Maybe ask one of the superyacht agents in Venice who will not have much else to do this time of year!
i believe port side relates to port being passed to the left. Port being the drink. referred to as the port side 'pass the port (to the left)'. Drinking etiquette Also port was loaded from the opposite side of starboard as that would interfere with the rudder when docked..
Hi you two, always a good show. The App you used to translate the sign looked brilliant can you tell us all what it is please?. Best Wishes. Neil and Anne
It's an iphone app called translate. You can use the camera to translate text or the mic for speech. Great for menus if the restaurant's ever open again!
Nice views of Venice - I envy you! Passing on some German, starboard translates 1:1 to Steuerbord (steering board), while the lefthand side is special. Instead of port, it's named Backbord because the back of the helmsman would point to that side. It's from the Low German dialect and pronounces "buck (=Dollar)" while the spelling is shared with English.
Starboard or steering board was always on the right for right handed steering. This left the left hand free to hold the port class while drinking. Simple really.
Port wine is produced in Portugal . When facing the setting sun in Greenwich and preparing to pour a Port , Portugal is on the left . It is customary ,if you have crossed the equator , to toast the Queen : "To Port (throwing your left hand up) and may good save the Queen. " You're suposed to put a foot on the table too. Well at least that's what I learned in school. I hope I'm right , cause I've toasted the Queen
I am living in the Canarys, this is whats happening ref Schengen, people that arrived here from jan 1 have got 90 days ,however due to Covid restrictions its been extended to June so far .In the Canarys we have alot of (swallows) people here for the winter period oct-march as temp 19/22 degrees so what the Spanish have done is you can join in the system paper work wise its not that difficult then you can be in Spain for 52 weeks of the year.Other countries I pressume do the same however there isnt as much coastal waters as the Balericas,Mainland Spain and Canarys and its alot of the West med .There is also a RUMOR that they will be able to do a extenension but how to do it and how long it will be for NO idea .Just a idea for your viewers hope this is ok in writing it .Your channel is great please keep it going
Thanks for pitching in Simon, I should have skyped you for the video, I forgot about you out there. Yes the Atlantic crossing is a major worry us Brits now as any way you approach it, down from the UK or out of the Med, you're liable to be out of your 90 days by the time you get there! So sorting things out for a crossing, waiting for weather etc could be a real problem. But I suppose it was always this way for Americans / Aussies etc? so I assumed there must be a way to extend your time there. So is this a temporary residency you'ld be setting up in the Canaries then?
@@svfairisle I am a full resident of the canaries and left UK 1989 ,but there is a way around it as I say where there is a will there is a way ,last year (SWALLOWS) were getting their paper work sorted as now NO ONE can fly into Spain unless you are a Spanish resident (COVID )so of course they are pleased when they did it .There are people doing it now but of course as we know paper work doesnt happen over night .
As an italian I would recommend you to visit the town of Vicenza - if you like architecture, you'll find plenty of the Villas built in the region by Palladio, which have been inspiration to many english country mansions. Should you like wine, you may consider to visit the Prosecco area with his cellars and wine tasting. Verona is nice too, and the whole dolomites area is gorgeous! But ski slopes are at least still closed till the 15th. Enjoy! Dirk Modica
I think Morri03 already got it. "As the size of boats grew, so did the steering oar, making it much easier to tie a boat up to a dock on the side opposite the oar. This side became known as larboard, or "the loading side." Over time, larboard-too easily confused with starboard-was replaced with port."
A Thank you for a great video , The schengen Shuffle is certainly complicating life during Covid .Does time at sea between countries in the Med count towards your schengen days ?
It's an interesting question. It would seem logical the it stops the day you check out of the schengen zone, after all you can spend the whole 90 days there before having to check out However we are told it doesn't stop until you check into a non schengen country, not sure how that will work though!
I don’t know what all the fuss is about, I found it was very easy to do. I was chief mate on a three master tall ship and we had brass every where. Every morning before colours we had the 36 trainees Polish the brass , so what was so hard about that.
Hey guys love the channel, very interesting to listern to your friends and covid/ EU clearly the steerboard was needed to steer the boat up to the dock in the Thames also into Amsterdam ete etc so the other side that went along side was called port as the ships used that side to load and unload, as boats were leaving day and night most ports started using red lights in the port so that sailors could keep their night vison. So the ports would be lit at night with red lights, Ports being transient places full of sailors with money it attracted prostitutes today these areas are still called the red light district
Yes she's VAT paid in Europe, but now the UK is out of Europe all boats have to be back by the end of the year or it becomes payable all over again! There is a little bit of leeway with RGR (returned goods relief) which gives you 3 years to reimport without paying again. So if we wanted to go back we have until June 2022 as that will be 3 year. Luckily we have no intention of taking Fair Isle back to the UK. Well not for 20 years anyway & who knows what the situation will be then?!
@@svfairisle thanks for the reply! Is it not worth simply visiting the U.K. to get the paperwork so that in the future you can return hassle free? Or is the boat somehow not registered in the U.K. ? I am a novice at these things, but you fly the Red Ensign and I just assumed that when you fly a flag, it is linked to a boat register... or can I simply fly any flag on a boat?!,
@@svfairisle Similar to you we purchased a second hand boat in Netherlands with EU VAT paid. We were given a purchase invoice from new that listed VAT was part of the boat price (privately purchased) and was presumably paid as one owner had it for 15 years, but no VAT receipt. In your experience, is that enough for authorities in Europe?
@@nantoike7153 It's really difficult to say. If you have an invoice that says VAT was paid in Europe at some time in the past that will be fine. But some countries are tougher than others. More than that some regions are tougher than others! For instance Matriculation tax becomes payable if you stay in Spain for more that 183 days you are considered resident for tax purposes and should pay 12% of the value of your boat. In reality this rarely happens, but on parts of the mainland in can be charged. My father lived on his boat in Mallorca however for 35 years and never had a problem. Of course if the UK goes ahead with it's ridiculous plans you will be charged VAT again no matter how many times it has been paid!
We are in the Azores we seen this coming and got Temporary Residency for 5 years my wife is dual citizen English and Australian me Australian hope by the 5 years it’s over
well, this really is a crap situation.... lucky for you: Albania is ALWAYS accepting you, but it is about 3 days sail I suppose from Venice. Either way: Would love to meet up before you guys make a run for it! We will still be in Monfalcone until end of April by the looks of it.... and possibly soon with a car so we can even come your way :D
Just to let you know we are investigating a new Longeur visa for France which allows 6 months there, also the old EHIC health card has been replaced by a GHIC card issued by the U K which we have applied for and received, which can be used in the EU and other countries, but as you say ,things are changing all the time
I hope there will be some reciprocal arrangements coming through. Hadn't heard of GHIC, it was my understanding that there was only going to be some sort of two way health care for pensioners but nothing for the wider population.
No Idea as to where Port came from, but a crude guess would be, you always entered and moored to the port on the lefthand side..... Also enjoy your vidoes
My dear friends, so sorry for all these new problems you have now. Those 180 days in 2 periods of 90 days really suck(person my French) There was no need for this. Anyway, love these videos from wonderful Venice. Hopefully I can do that trip again. Question: are you allow to drive your dingy around the channels? Or there are limitations? Any plans of going into the Canary Islands? Good luck my friends. Cheers from NYC
The rules for driving your dinghy around the canals are as clear as mud! There are 3 different authorities that control the lagoon, Venice and the city centre. You should have a licence number on your dinghy for most of Venice, which is quite easy to get apparently. But if you stay away from the area between St Marks and the grand canal we seem to be fine. The outlying islands are okay to navigate in whatever.
@@svfairisle that sounds great. I am moving back to Tenerife after 35 years in NYC. Please stay in touch. I will be so happy to meet you and invite you for a “barraquito “ jseav3998@aol.com Thanks for your info about Venice Love that place, it is from another world. Safe travels
@@svfairisle Gibraltar being part of Schengen (if it continues to count as part of your 90 days) is doubly inconvenient when considering the Canaries trip. If your port of departure is within Schengen, the clock doesn't stop during your time at sea. For people concerned about nearing their limit, a stop in Morocco before heading to the Canaries would stop the clock from arrival in Morocco until arrival in the Canaries. Covid quarantine rules will determine whether that's practical but, if it were possible to clear in and out in a day and not spend time ashore, it might help. The ideal option for Brits is that a deal is done that means Gib doesn't count towards the 90 days.
It's a real pain in the backside, our Brexiters didn't take any of this into consideration, the galling thing is as a member of the EU they can come and stay for 6 months at a time in the UK but not the other way round.
@@seandaly8550 Sorry sean not with you? As a UK resident, you can only visit the EU for 90 days out of 180, whereas if you are an EU resident you can visit the UK for 180 out of 365! a bit unfair and hardly reciprocal
@@houssie You are correct, but have missed the point that though EU citizens can stay for 180 consecutive days and UK citizens can stay for only 90 days without an application, the total amount of days that maybe spent by EU citizens in the UK is 180 continuous days, but is subject to an application. However what is not clear is whether or not UK citizens can spend 90 days then go home and re enter a few days later. This is not afforded to EU citizens in the UK, as their maximum stay per year is 180 days. I do not see or understand why this arrangement is not fully reciprocal but believe it is to do with WTO / UN rules on border protection. I ahve researched this but have been unable to get concise information. Please forgive my error in my previous post.
@@seandaly8550 I think we're both saying similar things but it is very clear that there are no exceptions its presently is a strict 90 days out of 180, this means if you're on your boat travelling thru the med, you can only stay for 90 days total in the Schengen zone, although your boat can stay for longer (18 months) This means that should you sail down to the med, through France, Spain, Portugal and then Spain again at a leisurely jaunt you probably would not have enough time to sail back, this ridiculous bureaucracy has (at the moment) completely screwed with British med cruising! However, options (as in this video) are to cruise to non- Schengen zones and stay there for the other 90 days out of the 180 ;-) or as I have, obtain Spanish residency and move your boat to Spain.
@@houssie We have a restriction in Australia in NSW. No vessel can be at anchor for more than 90 days in any 365. That includes being tied to a structure unless you have a mooring licence. You cannot live aboard a vessel subject to a mooring licence. This applies regardless of your citizenship. Bear in mind that the weather could easily turn a two week travel through NSW into a 6 week + travel and you could then be left with the only option being in a marina berth. This is to deter folks from freeloading on the waterfront views normally reserved for those with 4 million dollar houses. You want to rent a marina berth? Now we're talking money.
Grim situation for many full time & part time cruising people. The loss of flexibility is a killer, I am very sympathetic, being stuck in a marina is no fun. And with the charter fleet facing another season of dire uncertainty, it looks likely that there will be some shocking price discovery for boats sales in 2021. Boats (and other toys) are always liabilities more than they are assets, when they cannot deliver their intended benefits a savage re pricing becomes probable. With the Covid story set to rumble on with new variants and continued threat of travel bans / unclear health passport requirements, insurance issues, quarantine periods etc, the political will to sort the Schengen debacle will remain low priority. I would like to be wrong, but I suspect more pain to come for many sailors. Incidentally - I saw `Fair Isle` in Cartagena marina in September 2019, a truly lovely little ship! I do hope my concerns are off the mark and she is roaming free soon.
Oh - bring back the 70's, when you could sail from Spain via France to Italy and enjoy 3 months in each country, No VAT, Flared Jeans, Platform heels, Long Hair, Miners Strikes, Fuel Shortages, Blackouts, Cold War....ahh ....perhaps not!
Running longer distances isn't very recommendable for the knee joints. In that respect cycling 40.000 km is less harmful than running 4000 km. Doing a full out sprint over 80 up to 100 meters, at least 3 times a week, will give you sufficient cardiovascular benefit.
There seems to be some misinformation here. The "Starboard is a board mounted to the starboard side of the ship for the navigator to be able to see around the large square sails of tail ships. The Port side of the ship is as Stokesy 23 mentioned is the side of the ship that is tied to the docks in port. If you can take a tour of the USS Constitution, most of the tour guides will mention this in the tour.
I think the tour guide was pulling your leg! We’ve pretty much got the answer here if you put together bits from everyone. I personally think it’s difficult to know exactly where the word board originally came from, but we do know it wasn’t board, it was bord and didn’t mean an actual board!
Don't quote me but I think there's an age beyond which you don't pay, rather like road fund licence. But no, doesn't matter if it's EU or UK paid, you pay again!
Vaccination passports have been planned for a long time and it looks like free travel has ended: Schengen or otherwise. Thanks for the information. Good luck 🍀 Edit: what happens if you take a test somewhere and get a positive (false or otherwise)? How would that impact health insurance for forced quarantine expenses etc?
Hi, my guess is when everybody or almost everyone will be vaccinated you will have to produce a proof of vaccination in order to enter a country ,so better looking in to it soon
Port was originally ''Larboard'' when VHF radio communications came along it was decided that Larboard sounded too close to Starboard so Larboard became ''Port''.
@@csf5538 İ stand corrected! İ was misinformed. İt was changed because of the similarity of the words 'Starboard' and 'Larboard' on order of the Royal Navy in 1844. VHF transmissions started in 1955. one century after 'Larboard' became 'Port'.
In the 1960s I was an apprentice Deck Officer in the British Merchant Navy. One time the ship I was on was being guided by a local Danish pilot into a blind dock and he wanted to swing the bow of the ship to port as we came to the end of the quay. Unfortunately Danish for port is larboard and the helmsman upon hearing the command ‘hard to larboard’ spun the wheel to the right (starboard) and I have this everlasting memory of our 15,000 ton ship climbing onto the dock and demolishing the grain unloading gantry waiting to unload our cargo
The good news was it took two weeks to repair the gantry during which time we young matelots were able to get to know the many pretty local lasses
Should have included 1844 as the date the Royal Navy officially adopted the word ' port' to define the larboard side of the boat. This was to prevent confusion between larboard and starboard when used in adverse conditions or amongst sailors with different language or dialects.
Port and Starboard originate from Nordic (Viking) terminology and was called Styrbord and Bagbord (and in fact these names are still used in Danish today for Starboard and Port). As you mentioned starboard originates from the fact that this was the side where right-handed helms would steer the boat. Bagbord (now Port) as this was the side the helm would therefore have his back to. The Nordic terminologies were adopted across languages like German, Dutch, Afrikaans, Spanish, Portuguese, French ...
Bagbord since become larboard, as this was the 'loading side' of the boat and to avoid confusion in commands onboard between starboard and larboard, larboard was shortened to Port ... however as mentioned in some European languages the original Starboard and Bagbord are still used for Starboard and Port ...
From my Master and Commander I know port was originally and confusingly called larboard. Since starboard was the side with the steering it made sense to tie up on the other side. Larboard or loading side. This was changed to port to avoid confusion with starboard. Why? Well this side was where you tied up whilst in port and perhaps also because this is the side porters would load from.
Another absolutely excellent report from Venice and the rest of the Med during this Covid crisis. Absolutely excellent. Best wishes.
As the size of boats grew, so did the steering oar, making it much easier to tie a boat up to a dock on the side opposite the oar. This side became known as larboard, or "the loading side." Over time, larboard-too easily confused with starboard-was replaced with port.
Another well rounded episode guys. That's really bad news about Gibraltar going Shengen, it's just another cat amongst the pigeons. ☹
We try to keep them well rounded Baz, lot of Aussies in that one though ;)
Another great video, interesting. Thanks for sharing
Welcome to Venice. I wish you a happy stay in Cortina, Padova, Vicenza and the Whole Brenta Riviera.
Must be a total diffrent feeling to exploring Venetia in winter time, alone and have the place exclusive for your self! With good guidebooks
it must be heaven! Barbro Sweden
An option that appears low on cruisers list (if someone can elucidate me on why) is to go to egypt/red sea. Pay one time transit fee good for return trip within year. Lots of nice places to anchor and when spring arrives back to the med. Get to see lots of nice underwater stuff and experience interesting cultures and a bonus if able to visit Eritrea.
And it is relatively light on the wallet~500 dollars all in for transit costs two ways.
Interesting, & you're right don't really hear of it as a option. Will look into it, thanks.
Interesting info Mat, we'll also be checking into that option. Cheers.
The winds favor a southeast sail but occasionally reverse to allow for a northwest sail. Do a search for a young dutch couple that recently did the trip with lots of info.
Heading out to the Atlantic from the UK West coast often put the ports on the left side of the boat.
Port, the side of the cutter boats that loaded the port drink on !! Lol
as the board was on the "starboard "side, the other side is for mooring at port.....portside
Sweet! I got it right. Great video as always and looking forward already to the next anchoring video and all the others. Best of luck with the new Brexit/Covid bureaucracy and planning.
The word port, for the left side of the ship, is in my language danish Bagbord (Back table translated directly) comes from the Old Nordic word bakki or bakka, which means a place a ship could dock. When the rudder was on the right side, it was therefore most sensible to lay the left side of the ship at the quay.
Hello guys, thanks for these valuable discussions re.- permitted durations of stay in various countries in the Med. My wife and I are planning to buy a sailboat in Croatia in April 2022 and “loaf around” the Med till late September, then over to Cape Verde for the ARC. We are based in Mexico with USA/Mexican and Canadian/Hungarian passports between my wife and I respectively. I’ll message you when we set sail from Croatia and hopefully we can meet up somewhere in the Med. Regards - Ferenc (Pancho :-)
sounds good
The left side is called 'port' because ships with steerboards would dock at ports on the opposite side of the steerboard
Portside was the side that was put against the quay for mooring this was the side that did not have the steer board (starboard) it was done this way to protect the steering board. port to the quay starboard away from the quay
Great film as ever guys!
23:25 San Marino actually is on the eastern, "Riviera" side of Italy, 200 km down the coast from Venice, vis-a-vis from Croatia. It's a nice little country and town in the hills, which indicates the problem involved: You can't sail there! (marinas around Rimini are available though). OTOH, a 90 days stay in a landlocked area smaller than Brighton, away from Fair Isle, might not be too funny(?)
Yes I was mixing it up with Sanremo which is over on the coast near Monaco. I should have realised as I remember San Marino used to have a Grand Prix, sounds like an interesting place.
@@svfairisle It's nice and picturesque for a day trip or a weekend - been there by car!
Alas, didn't remember the Grand Prix (in Imola), even though Michael Schumacher was so successful then (not my sport).
Another nice place might be accessible with your new dinghy: Alberoni on the south end of Lido - a small harbour, a beach, the park(!) (golf course)
Port side to the dock so the steer board is not fouled. Or as I remember it coming up the channel home ports are on the left, but that only works for the English!
I would highly recommend Morocco as a stop on your way back across the Atlantic. We are a US-flagged vessel and in 2018 we left the boat at Marina Smir and land travelled throughout Morocco with the family for 2 weeks. Our boat was very well cared for and we had nothing but positive interactions with the very generous Moroccans.
That is good to know.
Could you send me more details Daniel? One of our Patreons is also thinking of going there. Our email is sailingfairisle@gmail.com. Thank you!
I might say that depends on the language. In Portuguese, "Port side" translates to "Bombordo" which when separating the word "Bom" - "Good", Bordo "board" or "side". What I've heard is that on time of discoveries when portugueses sailed the coast of Africa, the left side was land, so "Bombordo" or a kinda of "safe side".
Your videos are always so well produced. I really appreciated the info around the Schengen and Covid challenges sailors are facing right now in the Med. We are planning to be sailing in Croatia during the time you guys plan to head over there. It would be amazing if our paths cross!!
We will have some beers on ice ready.
@@svfairisle Ha! Sounds great. Our marina is in Slano just north of Dubrovnik. We will keep following your adventures and if our boats cross paths let’s have those beers! Cheers - Kivanc & Danielle
Funny, I always thought port and starboard originated with the great triangle, was it called? When ships from England would head south to Africa, maybe pickup sugarcane for mostly making rum, and then heading to the Americas and north up the coast to deliver and maybe pickup supplies before heading back to England. This was a big triangle and the way all ships went; the left side of the ship always faced the port and the right always faced nothing but to stars. Not sure where I heard that but that’s how I’ve always remembered which side was which.
Provision for a few months and continuously cruise the Med for as long as possible, fair winds and following seas. Hope it all goes well, soo many sailors stuck in many places. Gone with the Wynns are stuck in Tonga; their insurance is running out and they need repairs etc. Covid is really screwing cruisers up all over the globe.
Steering on the right , starboard, dock against the left side to protect the steering when you are in “ port” .... late response but we always save fairisle for Saturday evening ❤️
In Scandinavia the opposite side from starbord (styrbord - the steering side) is Backboard, as the rudderman is facing the steering ore, his back will be turned to the other side of the boat - backboard (bagbord).
Hi you two, another great video, i posted your video to FB Group Med Sailing but admin took it down after a few hours, mad really as it was what gets asked on the group every day and your collab with the other sailers was so informative. Thanks anyway and many have responded saying they love your channel. Keep up the epic work 🙏
Thanks for trying!
Originally larboard, the left side (facing forward) was dock or side closest to the port, because the steering oar needed to be away from the dock. Hence "port" side.
Cortina is a beautiful spot in the Dolomites and well worth a look. If your thinking of sailing in tge direction of Montenegro Kotor is very nice.
My mother is an expat living in northern Cyprus. She already has been given the first part of her covid vaccine and most of the Turkish residents already have their first and quite possibly their second vaccine injection. Its a fantastic place and heartily recommend anyone to visit. If you plan sometime in your future to visit North Cyprus i hope that you will get in touch so that i can put you in touch with my friends and family there who can provide information on places to visit and any required assistance you may need.
Thanks Ian
The left hand side of the boat was always against the dock or pier. The name Port eventually developed to signify which side of the boat was going to be against the pier. The starboard side of the boat was not used for load/unloading a boat because the steering arm, or tiller, would often get in the way when loading longer items like lumber.
Port was originally larboard, or more accurately laddebord, referring to the side of the vessel that would be hard against the dock to allow for loading/unloading. The vessel had to be docked on the port/larboard/laddebord side given that the starboard-mounted steering arm needed to be free.
Ziggy you've spoiled next episodes quiz question!!! Venice has the first quarantine island so ships didn't have to wait 40 days at anchor, we were going to film there.
Grate video ⛵
Very interesting.
Re paying VAT on return to UK: it is possible to claim RGR (Returned Goods Relief) if you return after 3 years, due to special circumstances ie. extended cruising/circumnavigation. The CA (Cruising Association) has been working hard to clarify this issue with HMRC which you can check out on their website.
The left side is called 'port' because ships with steerboards or star boards would dock at ports on the opposite side of the steerboard or starboard
Beautiful filming and interesting re the implications of Brexit for longer term Mediterranean cruising, at least until some longer term access is hopefully granted 🤞Port is called port I think because it was the side of the boat next to the dock as one would otherwise risk smashing the steering oar and also not be able to manoeuvre as freely?
(Port) from the French word “porte” meaning door. The exit side of the vessel, the door side.
Yet the French say babord.
Love your edits! I'm a medical doctor from Turkey. If you get your residency permits for more than 1 year in Turkey, you are eligible for Universal Health Insurance in Turkey due to aggreement with U.K. which is practically equal to NHS. That covers everything including vaccines, you can use all government hospitals freely for any medical conditions, not only for emergencies. Definitely way to go and cheaper than private emergency health insurances. For more info just search Universal Health Insurance at SGK (Turkish Social Security Department) website, ID cards issued by government have a special number on them which you can use to get insurance from government.
Thanks Tulga, that's really useful information, we will look into it.
Was called larboard, from laddeboard, meaning the side alongside the quay to get on and off but Admiral Fizroy insisted on port and won the day.
Some facts from the north :)
In Sweden these names comes from the Viking ships:
Styrbord (Starboard) = The side of the boat with the steering oar attached (Styra = To steer). This was considered the best side of the boat.
Babord (Port) = This is the side that the crewman steering will have the back turned to (bakom = behind) . The term has evolved from "bakbord" to "babord". The crew located on this side of the boat was called "babölingar" and it was not a flattering thing, I am not sure why this is though...
I think the English term comes from the fact that you will dock the boat with this side towards the "port"
Yes , and in Dutch , stuurboord and bakboord..
@@Andy-sj2dv It is funny that the names basically is identical, also cool that you have the "original" form of "bakboord". Ours has as I sad evolved a little bit...
Hope you are both well. Great film and as usual excellent work. Sailing around Australia seems a breeze. We only have 49 active cases in Australia and life has returned pretty much to normal. The government plan to vaccinate the whole country by the end of next month. I am just in the middle of servicing my engine - why are engine bays so small. Unfortunately, my 13-year-old daughter Victoria has had to resume chemo for a brain tumour we were told had stopped being a bother. You have to keep smiling, and it is so good to see your smiling faces on film! All the best!
Hi Ken, sorry to hear about your daughter but very glad you guys haven't got the added problem of Covid, it's been a major issue here that cases like your daughters haven't received the vital treatment they need because of the hospitals having to deal with the epidemic. Looking forward to watching the Prada cup at the weekend and seeing all you antipodeans frolicking around toghether! We all look at the crowds on the shore now and think it's really odd, 'what are all those people doing together, and where are their masks?!'
Quite informative. Got my first shot of the Pfiser vaccine today. Life has really changed in a short period of time. I am only a few weeks away from one year of working remotely. Who would have thought. It really seems as if you have to remain very flexible in your planning. Stay safe and congratulations to Judy again.
Thanks Bill, and did you get my note? The package has arrived in the UK so thanks very much.
Hi Steve, Yes I received your note, glad that was a success. I wil email you some additional information. Have a Great Day
Starboard comes from the old indo germanic expression "stare bored", which is roughly translated "the side you stare bored out from your ship expecting the port showing up soon". As we know the port always showed up on the other side! This also explained why in the past, before all the modern navigation, travel by sea took so long.
Archibald Tuttle That's a fabulous bit of nonsense, have you got any more? 👍
@@scottlittlewood4527 Well, I could write about my life!?
To you both thankyou for the wonderful uploads.Im looking at a 49 ft Hans Christian 41.It has 3.5kw gen set also no watermaker? How are you both getting on with your generator what size??
Many thanks
I love the 41, prettiest of the lot I think. We had a 5kw diesel gen set aboard Fair Isle, we rarely use it and it's caused us lots of problems, the only unreliable thing on the boat. We are currently trying to configure things to do without it completely. I just finished fitting another solar panel today actually. This is a 405w bifacial panel adding to the 775w we already have. I think with the uprated alternator and the Ecoflow Delta that we have we should be okay this year & if we are I will take the generator out and fit a Lithium house bank which will be much better than having a generator.
Nice, ♥️👍
Delightful problems to have. You lucky things
Lots of great non- Schengen regions in the Med. We love Tunisia, Morocco and have even enjoyed Lebanon, Israel and Egypt. The only one which took a bit of negotiation to sort out the insurance, was Lebanon, but all very well worth it when you get there!
But only Morocco in the Western Med. and the two most visited ports there are Spanish enclaves and still schengen!
@@svfairisle - I rarely look to visit the 'most visited ports' anywhere, so it would be okay for me! 😃
Go off the beaten path. It's really not dangerous in any way. Lebanon, Israel, Tunisia, Egypt and down the Red Sea are fantastic! The Alexandria Yacht Club (Egypt Yacht Club) is really extra special and the food is exceptional. Though the food at the Alexandria Greek Yacht Club, more of a restaurant really, has excellent food as well, but without the over the top style of the Egypt Yacht Club in Alex. So much to see everywhere around the Med without worrying about Schengen! 😃
Yes we've spent a lot of time in that region working and may well take Fair Isle there. At the moment it seems that would mean not having boat insurance though as when we set it up it seemed difficult to even include Morocco.
@@svfairisle 👍👍
My personal story about Port and Starboard is : When you are arriving home from the atlantic - left side is Port ( Arriving home in UK) and right side there is nothing e.g. you can watch the Stars... ( Starboard)
I always thoroughly enjoy your videos, and today found your discussions with friends particularly fascinating. Thanks so much. How am I ever going to manage Couch to 5K when I'm glued to your channel?
Have you thought of installing brass strips on rub-points on the woodwork, e.g. where the dingy rubs?
Thats not a bad idea now we have a dinghy we want to stick with & now & i've cracked the brass cleaning thing!
The international travel requirements are so complicated and more importantly subject to change we decided to curtail any travel plans until the situation stabilizes...when that happens is anyone's guess. Roll the dice. Our immediate problem is the health of an elderly and frail mom, really just hanging on, so we're quite anxious. The route to see her is transpacific.
I'd give my right arm to paddle and walk about an empty Venice. You hit the lottery on that one.
Port: Travels from England to India. Port out, Starbord home. To have cabin on the shady side. Also backgroud for "posh", as informed by a scot I knew. Vikings also used steering oars on SB side.
How long it takes to build up all the complex, varied skills and knowledge to do a good job of self-maintaining a boat. And its all packaged in one paiir of hands, then (not that you’re going anywhere soon) lost... good to share on here but its not easily searchable. Maybe build a database of this? Its very good.
Hello Steve and Judy. Is there a book or website that has all the marinas on the Mediterranean coast?
Maybe even back to England??
Not sure about all, there are a lot! Noonsite and Noforiegnland are the websites we use most often, they have reviews posted by cruisers, so good information.
On professionally crewed yachts the crew are "signed on" and subsequently out the Schengen zone when they join and this stops their 90 day clock, regardless of the country they are from. You just go down to the local port police with the ships papers and they stamp you "out" on your passport. Now superyachts are usually registered in Cayman Islands but I see no reason why you cannot do it on your own UK registered yacht. Maybe ask one of the superyacht agents in Venice who will not have much else to do this time of year!
their is a package round trip available to emerits with all encluded vacinations ets.
Ha! love it!!
i believe port side relates to port being passed to the left. Port being the drink. referred to as the port side 'pass the port (to the left)'. Drinking etiquette Also port was loaded from the opposite side of starboard as that would interfere with the rudder when docked..
Hi you two, always a good show. The App you used to translate the sign looked brilliant can you tell us all what it is please?. Best Wishes. Neil and Anne
It's an iphone app called translate. You can use the camera to translate text or the mic for speech. Great for menus if the restaurant's ever open again!
Good question, thank you.
“Parking”! Berthing, surely? 😂
Left old Aussie saying, no Port in the bottle left
Nice views of Venice - I envy you!
Passing on some German, starboard translates 1:1 to Steuerbord (steering board), while the lefthand side is special. Instead of port, it's named Backbord because the back of the helmsman would point to that side. It's from the Low German dialect and pronounces "buck (=Dollar)" while the spelling is shared with English.
Nice one.... btw.. skiing, alpine or cross-country not series but world cups... 😉🙂
Hi guys great vid. I’ve noticed on the bow on your boat the big spoil on rope, was it used before the windless system came along?
No it's just a way of storing a lot of thick rode. Good for shorefasts, sea anchor, drogue etc
I used C25K when I started running many years ago.
I will be doing it again when I lose a bit more weight.
now see here with respect Hornblower always load on the larboard side Sir
Starboard or steering board was always on the right for right handed steering. This left the left hand free to hold the port class while drinking. Simple really.
Port wine is produced in Portugal . When facing the setting sun in Greenwich and preparing to pour a Port , Portugal is on the left . It is customary ,if you have crossed the equator , to toast the Queen : "To Port (throwing your left hand up) and may good save the Queen. " You're suposed to put a foot on the table too. Well at least that's what I learned in school. I hope I'm right , cause I've toasted the Queen
I am living in the Canarys, this is whats happening ref Schengen, people that arrived here from jan 1 have got 90 days ,however due to Covid restrictions its been extended to June so far .In the Canarys we have alot of (swallows) people here for the winter period oct-march as temp 19/22 degrees so what the Spanish have done is you can join in the system paper work wise its not that difficult then you can be in Spain for 52 weeks of the year.Other countries I pressume do the same however there isnt as much coastal waters as the Balericas,Mainland Spain and Canarys and its alot of the West med .There is also a RUMOR that they will be able to do a extenension but how to do it and how long it will be for NO idea .Just a idea for your viewers hope this is ok in writing it .Your channel is great please keep it going
Thanks for pitching in Simon, I should have skyped you for the video, I forgot about you out there. Yes the Atlantic crossing is a major worry us Brits now as any way you approach it, down from the UK or out of the Med, you're liable to be out of your 90 days by the time you get there! So sorting things out for a crossing, waiting for weather etc could be a real problem. But I suppose it was always this way for Americans / Aussies etc? so I assumed there must be a way to extend your time there. So is this a temporary residency you'ld be setting up in the Canaries then?
@@svfairisle I am a full resident of the canaries and left UK 1989 ,but there is a way around it as I say where there is a will there is a way ,last year (SWALLOWS) were getting their paper work sorted as now NO ONE can fly into Spain unless you are a Spanish resident (COVID )so of course they are pleased when they did it .There are people doing it now but of course as we know paper work doesnt happen over night .
As an italian I would recommend you to visit the town of Vicenza - if you like architecture, you'll find plenty of the Villas built in the region by Palladio, which have been inspiration to many english country mansions. Should you like wine, you may consider to visit the Prosecco area with his cellars and wine tasting. Verona is nice too, and the whole dolomites area is gorgeous! But ski slopes are at least still closed till the 15th. Enjoy! Dirk Modica
Thanks for the tip Dirk, we have booked an air B&B on lake Garda so we will be passing by Vicenza and Verona so will be sure to stop.
Royal Navy changes "larboard" to "port" in 1844.
I think Morri03 already got it. "As the size of boats grew, so did the steering oar, making it much easier to tie a boat up to a dock on the side opposite the oar. This side became known as larboard, or "the loading side." Over time, larboard-too easily confused with starboard-was replaced with port."
Ugh, totally sympathise. Such a headache :(
Port is the side of the boat that goes against the port because the steer board is on the other side
A Thank you for a great video , The schengen Shuffle is certainly complicating life during Covid .Does time at sea between countries in the Med count towards your schengen days ?
It's an interesting question. It would seem logical the it stops the day you check out of the schengen zone, after all you can spend the whole 90 days there before having to check out However we are told it doesn't stop until you check into a non schengen country, not sure how that will work though!
I don’t know what all the fuss is about, I found it was very easy to do.
I was chief mate on a three master tall ship and we had brass every where.
Every morning before colours we had the 36 trainees Polish the brass , so what was so hard about that.
Nice to have staff!
@@svfairisle watching your latest video now. LOL
@@svfairisle not staff but Trainees
@@CaptMarkSVAlcina I tried telling Judy it was the crews duty but she wasn’t falling for it!
@@svfairisle that’s because she is crew, you need trainees
Hey guys love the channel, very interesting to listern to your friends and covid/ EU
clearly the steerboard was needed to steer the boat up to the dock in the Thames also into Amsterdam ete etc so the other side that went along side was called port as the ships used that side to load and unload, as boats were leaving day and night most ports started using red lights in the port so that sailors could keep their night vison. So the ports would be lit at night with red lights, Ports being transient places full of sailors with money it attracted prostitutes
today these areas are still called the red light district
I didn't know the red light bit that's really interesting.
Please elaborate on the VAT rules.... did you not purchase Fair Isle VAT paid?
Yes she's VAT paid in Europe, but now the UK is out of Europe all boats have to be back by the end of the year or it becomes payable all over again! There is a little bit of leeway with RGR (returned goods relief) which gives you 3 years to reimport without paying again. So if we wanted to go back we have until June 2022 as that will be 3 year. Luckily we have no intention of taking Fair Isle back to the UK. Well not for 20 years anyway & who knows what the situation will be then?!
@@svfairisle thanks for the reply! Is it not worth simply visiting the U.K. to get the paperwork so that in the future you can return hassle free? Or is the boat somehow not registered in the U.K. ? I am a novice at these things, but you fly the Red Ensign and I just assumed that when you fly a flag, it is linked to a boat register... or can I simply fly any flag on a boat?!,
@@svfairisle Similar to you we purchased a second hand boat in Netherlands with EU VAT paid. We were given a purchase invoice from new that listed VAT was part of the boat price (privately purchased) and was presumably paid as one owner had it for 15 years, but no VAT receipt. In your experience, is that enough for authorities in Europe?
@@nantoike7153 It's really difficult to say. If you have an invoice that says VAT was paid in Europe at some time in the past that will be fine. But some countries are tougher than others. More than that some regions are tougher than others! For instance Matriculation tax becomes payable if you stay in Spain for more that 183 days you are considered resident for tax purposes and should pay 12% of the value of your boat. In reality this rarely happens, but on parts of the mainland in can be charged. My father lived on his boat in Mallorca however for 35 years and never had a problem. Of course if the UK goes ahead with it's ridiculous plans you will be charged VAT again no matter how many times it has been paid!
@@svfairisle Thanks very much for taking time to respond.
We are in the Azores we seen this coming and got Temporary Residency for 5 years my wife is dual citizen English and Australian me Australian hope by the 5 years it’s over
Did I hear Judy’s voice on UK TV recently? If not, she sounded exactly like you!
Not unless they’re repeating one of our documentaries, & if they are I want to know so I can charge them!
well, this really is a crap situation.... lucky for you: Albania is ALWAYS accepting you, but it is about 3 days sail I suppose from Venice. Either way: Would love to meet up before you guys make a run for it! We will still be in Monfalcone until end of April by the looks of it.... and possibly soon with a car so we can even come your way :D
Yes likewise. If we get time we would like to sail that way before leaving Italy. We will look you up if we do.
Just to let you know we are investigating a new Longeur visa for France which allows 6 months there, also the old EHIC health card has been replaced by a GHIC card issued by the U K which we have applied for and received, which can be used in the EU and other countries, but as you say ,things are changing all the time
I hope there will be some reciprocal arrangements coming through. Hadn't heard of GHIC, it was my understanding that there was only going to be some sort of two way health care for pensioners but nothing for the wider population.
No Idea as to where Port came from, but a crude guess would be, you always entered and moored to the port on the lefthand side.....
Also enjoy your vidoes
My dear friends, so sorry for all these new problems you have now. Those 180 days in 2 periods of 90 days really suck(person my French)
There was no need for this.
Anyway, love these videos from wonderful Venice. Hopefully I can do that trip again.
Question: are you allow to drive your dingy around the channels? Or there are limitations?
Any plans of going into the Canary Islands?
Good luck my friends. Cheers from NYC
The rules for driving your dinghy around the canals are as clear as mud! There are 3 different authorities that control the lagoon, Venice and the city centre. You should have a licence number on your dinghy for most of Venice, which is quite easy to get apparently. But if you stay away from the area between St Marks and the grand canal we seem to be fine. The outlying islands are okay to navigate in whatever.
We will go to the Canaries before crossing the Atlantic. Will have to plan that carefully so we don't use up our 90 days before we have to cross.
@@svfairisle that sounds great. I am moving back to Tenerife after 35 years in NYC.
Please stay in touch. I will be so happy to meet you and invite you for a “barraquito “
jseav3998@aol.com
Thanks for your info about Venice
Love that place, it is from another world.
Safe travels
@@svfairisle Gibraltar being part of Schengen (if it continues to count as part of your 90 days) is doubly inconvenient when considering the Canaries trip. If your port of departure is within Schengen, the clock doesn't stop during your time at sea. For people concerned about nearing their limit, a stop in Morocco before heading to the Canaries would stop the clock from arrival in Morocco until arrival in the Canaries. Covid quarantine rules will determine whether that's practical but, if it were possible to clear in and out in a day and not spend time ashore, it might help. The ideal option for Brits is that a deal is done that means Gib doesn't count towards the 90 days.
It's a real pain in the backside, our Brexiters didn't take any of this into consideration, the galling thing is as a member of the EU they can come and stay for 6 months at a time in the UK but not the other way round.
Anybody from the UK can visit anywhere in the EU because of the reciprocal agreement. That's the difference between being in the EU and outside the EU
@@seandaly8550 Sorry sean not with you? As a UK resident, you can only visit the EU for 90 days out of 180, whereas if you are an EU resident you can visit the UK for 180 out of 365! a bit unfair and hardly reciprocal
@@houssie You are correct, but have missed the point that though EU citizens can stay for 180 consecutive days and UK citizens can stay for only 90 days without an application, the total amount of days that maybe spent by EU citizens in the UK is 180 continuous days, but is subject to an application. However what is not clear is whether or not UK citizens can spend 90 days then go home and re enter a few days later. This is not afforded to EU citizens in the UK, as their maximum stay per year is 180 days. I do not see or understand why this arrangement is not fully reciprocal but believe it is to do with WTO / UN rules on border protection. I ahve researched this but have been unable to get concise information. Please forgive my error in my previous post.
@@seandaly8550 I think we're both saying similar things but it is very clear that there are no exceptions its presently is a strict 90 days out of 180, this means if you're on your boat travelling thru the med, you can only stay for 90 days total in the Schengen zone, although your boat can stay for longer (18 months) This means that should you sail down to the med, through France, Spain, Portugal and then Spain again at a leisurely jaunt you probably would not have enough time to sail back, this ridiculous bureaucracy has (at the moment) completely screwed with British med cruising! However, options (as in this video) are to cruise to non- Schengen zones and stay there for the other 90 days out of the 180 ;-) or as I have, obtain Spanish residency and move your boat to Spain.
@@houssie We have a restriction in Australia in NSW. No vessel can be at anchor for more than 90 days in any 365. That includes being tied to a structure unless you have a mooring licence. You cannot live aboard a vessel subject to a mooring licence. This applies regardless of your citizenship. Bear in mind that the weather could easily turn a two week travel through NSW into a 6 week + travel and you could then be left with the only option being in a marina berth. This is to deter folks from freeloading on the waterfront views normally reserved for those with 4 million dollar houses. You want to rent a marina berth? Now we're talking money.
Grim situation for many full time & part time cruising people. The loss of flexibility is a killer, I am very sympathetic, being stuck in a marina is no fun. And with the charter fleet facing another season of dire uncertainty, it looks likely that there will be some shocking price discovery for boats sales in 2021. Boats (and other toys) are always liabilities more than they are assets, when they cannot deliver their intended benefits a savage re pricing becomes probable. With the Covid story set to rumble on with new variants and continued threat of travel bans / unclear health passport requirements, insurance issues, quarantine periods etc, the political will to sort the Schengen debacle will remain low priority. I would like to be wrong, but I suspect more pain to come for many sailors. Incidentally - I saw `Fair Isle` in Cartagena marina in September 2019, a truly lovely little ship! I do hope my concerns are off the mark and she is roaming free soon.
Thanks, I hope so too. You should have popped in for a beer by the way.
Oh - bring back the 70's, when you could sail from Spain via France to Italy and enjoy 3 months in each country, No VAT, Flared Jeans, Platform heels, Long Hair, Miners Strikes, Fuel Shortages, Blackouts, Cold War....ahh ....perhaps not!
San Marino, is on the Adriatic side of Italy. Were you confusing it with Monaco?
You're so right! just looked...I actually confused it with San Remo which is somewhere I went years ago when visiting Monaco.
@@svfairisle I hope somebody's navigating..
Running longer distances isn't very recommendable for the knee joints. In that respect cycling 40.000 km is less harmful than running 4000 km. Doing a full out sprint over 80 up to 100 meters, at least 3 times a week, will give you sufficient cardiovascular benefit.
There seems to be some misinformation here. The "Starboard is a board mounted to the starboard side of the ship for the navigator to be able to see around the large square sails of tail ships. The Port side of the ship is as Stokesy 23 mentioned is the side of the ship that is tied to the docks in port. If you can take a tour of the USS Constitution, most of the tour guides will mention this in the tour.
I think the tour guide was pulling your leg! We’ve pretty much got the answer here if you put together bits from everyone. I personally think it’s difficult to know exactly where the word board originally came from, but we do know it wasn’t board, it was bord and didn’t mean an actual board!
Does that Vat apply to older boats? Or to one's where vat has been paid in the UK?
Don't quote me but I think there's an age beyond which you don't pay, rather like road fund licence. But no, doesn't matter if it's EU or UK paid, you pay again!
@@svfairisle thanks. Hopefully our 43 year old is old enough!
Vaccination passports have been planned for a long time and it looks like free travel has ended: Schengen or otherwise.
Thanks for the information.
Good luck 🍀
Edit: what happens if you take a test somewhere and get a positive (false or otherwise)? How would that impact health insurance for forced quarantine expenses etc?
it is lockdown world ,,, arrrghhh
No Port left in the bottle..
Hi, my guess is when everybody or almost everyone will be vaccinated you will have to produce a proof of vaccination in order to enter a country ,so better looking in to it soon
Port was originally ''Larboard'' when VHF radio communications came along it was decided that Larboard sounded too close to Starboard so Larboard became ''Port''.
Port was named, centuries before VHF :-)
@@csf5538 İ stand corrected! İ was misinformed. İt was changed because of the similarity of the words 'Starboard' and 'Larboard' on order of the Royal Navy in 1844. VHF transmissions started in 1955. one century after 'Larboard' became 'Port'.
Hi I believe Gibraltar is ok for Uk passport holders and flagged vessels to visit as before. Although now in the Shengen agreement
Yes of course as a Brit you can visit no problem, but it doesn't stop the schengen clock, which is pants!