Bry, you saying that Raising Dion is not being respectful of the medium is the only disrespectful thing here on this video. The stories and art are what the comic medium is primarily about and the creators should be paid directly as much as possible. I love this trend and I hope more indi creators go this route till it becomes the norm. If you love comics to collect stories and art this is a wonderful thing. If you love comics for their investment potential my argument is you are not an enthusiast of the medium and instead an enthusiast of business, which is totally respectable in its own right, but to say these creators are not respecting the medium is wrong.
I agree with you that grading counterfeit or altered comics with blue labels is somewhat misleading. I bought a Marvel Special Edition #15 CBCS graded with a blue label. And while I inspected the book , I didn't think to inspect the label . Turns out that it was a restored copy, (which was noted on the... Blue label.) While I admit that it was on me for not inspecting the label, having labels that are at first glance the same as the universal grade labels can set people up to make expensive mistakes. Thanks for sharing.
As a publisher, I would agree to disagree on print on demand point. Print run/print total doesn't come into play until you apply rarity/distribution to it. Print on demand falls into the same category as ratio variants or any other manufactured ratio book. Only the creator/publisher would truly know the total count of copies made when it comes to print on demand. As far as batch or printing, it's more of a want of the collector to know to drive value up on a book than the publisher making a pure designation of a run. Granted, most people are you to physical distribution from companies like Diamond, Luna, Seguin, etc. But even the number reported as bought/ distributed to them isn't the total number printed by creator/publisher. This problem isn't going to be addressed properly by all sides of the industry. If anything it just brings up the agreement of you're not a "real" publisher unless you doing offset printing than transparency in total numbers of copies. Just something to think about.
I know the reason why counterfeit money is confiscated by police is to take it out of circulation. CGC grading fake comics does two things; 1. makes sure they earn their money for the service, 2. makes the issue harder to be sold as real. I don't think they could just confiscate it or destroy it.
i would think grading the counterfeit is good for the community as long as it’s identified as such because then you know for sure what you are getting. it’s too easy for ungraded counterfeit books to trick people
Could not disagree more about Dion. Comics were never written with "collectors" in mind. They're for readers. People collect everything, collectors have to adapt to the creators, not the other way around. The value to collectors reflects all the factors you discussed... print run etc. Collector groups having notices like the buyer beware section is totally adequate IMO.
I forgot whose video I was watching, but it was someone walking through one of the cons and they stopped by a booth to talk to an artist they knew. This artist told them they were working on adding gold foil to someone else's comic art. I have seen these kinds of remarks done, but they are usually divulged to the buyers if they aren't already aware. Like isn't there someone remarking books like Venom Lethal protector #1 and Spawn #1? Also, can you lower the volume of the click & subscribe animation? It is louder than Bry's own volume and obscures what he is saying for a second.
Interesting topic and something I guess I haven’t thought much about before. CGC will grade anything if you pay for it I guess. Great video man. Keep killing it.
I feel like the counterfeits graded are of books that hold some sort of significance even in counterfeit form. Like the fact that they are old counterfeits make them collectible themselves.
Red Hood #25: KCC has to actually read the book…it’s not about the cover (alrhiugh the Yasmine Putri covers are great in this series), It is a key in the sense of a pivotal moment in the development of the Red Hood character. In issue #24, Jason crosses an irreversible line by shooting Penguin in the head, instantly killing him. The fallout pits him in a brutal confrontation with Batman, who condemns him for breaking the no-kill rule, severing Jason’s ties to the Bat-family. This issue also marks the end of the Outlaws, with Jason parting ways with his team. From then on, the series is titled Red Hood: Outlaw, reflecting Jason’s darker, more independent path. It’s gradually climbed up in value over time with the right mix of scarcity and good writing. I suggest tracking one down and reading through it before passing judgement.
I've had the (I assume) unique experience of comparing a Cerebus 1 counterfeit to the real deal in person (about 25 years ago), and it was crazy to see the very small differences. Only reason I knew it was counterfeit is because the shop owner explained it to me. Recently, I compared a CGC 9.8 Cry for Dawn 1 to a counterfeit version that was raw, and in the case of the counterfeit, it had a very evident moiré pattern, which happens when an already-printed piece is scanned for reproduction. It's difficult to explain through typing what that is, but I was an Creative Director at a print shop for 10 years, and I would see that on occasion from untrained graphic designers and frankly "hacks". You really have to watch out on indie books, even up to the late '90s. I personally own a Johnny the Homicidal Maniac 3rd print that was graded by CGC as a 1st print. The kicker there is that you can see what printing it is from outside the case if you know how to check (which I do). Just a blunder by CGC but I'm not cracking it because it's a great teaching opportunity for that series. In any case, great video and it's always good to spread the knowledge!
Coming from someone who bought this like the month it released Netflix didn’t put enough money into Raising Dion, I watched it a bit but the costumes and CGI were bad at times.
How is the Gen 13 different then acetate covers? They would be altered, not counterfeit. No different then getting a remark or signature. Simply, counterfeit is the wrong word to use in this situation. Altered cover, why do people constantly feel the need to redefine words?
Very interesting video and topics, very helpful. The acknowledged grading and retailing of "counterfeit" books especially by established players like MyComicShop and CGC is fascinating. If the books are clearly and conspicuously disclosed as "COUNTERFEIT" then two things: (i) putting aside the retailer or grader, doesn't the original owner have a copyright or trademark claim against the counterfeit(er)?--that's how counterfeits are usually dealt with in the real world; (ii) why is there that much interest in knock-offs to create a viable counterfeit market in the first place? Who is buying those and why?
Wow.. alot of information right here.. very informative. I have to say as informative and intelligient as this is.. lets not forget .. its about the stories you like. Dont get lost in the "collectors mind" and enjoy your books. However like I said.. great video!
First. Wow Cerebus 1 is amazing and to think that minute red outline is the difference between the real and fake. I have always been fearful of the comic industry and AI making books that look identical. The naked eye and new users would hardly notice. What a shame.
So normally I would say I agree and love your content but my eyes and ears busted when you said CGC should reject the counterfeit. Not everyone checks key collector and not everyone knows everything about a comic. This is a way to get the fake off the market. You reject it someone just sells it to someone unknowingly. This way it’s conversation piece and it keeps it from being sold to someone unknowingly.
First of all is this a new change in CGC’s grading standards. Second if so, did this change happen within the last few years post Blackstone’s purchase of CGC?
Counterfeit comics should be destroyed by authenticators and not returned and certainly not graded. This is what happens with counterfeits in the fine art market. See for example Marc Chagall whose work was frequently counterfeited.
Regarding Raising Dion I couldnt disagree more. The creator doesnt need to worry about the collectability of their book. The creator had no idea anybody would like it first of all then option it to get a show. You assume they had the resources to print a book with x copies. There are professional comicbook writers and artist that use crowdfunding to get books made. This person has done something so forward thinking that im surprised more people dont do this more. Half the comicbook collectors look down on oeople like us that speculate and make money by charging a premium. There are stores in Baltimore that refuse to charge premiums. No slabs, yo ASM 300 for $$$. They sell new and cover price back issues. I slab and sell like you but the creator of Raiding Dion needs to be commended for doing something for the fans and especially kids. Keeping it cheap and available for all to read. Sorry, i’ll get off my soapbox. Rest of the video great job.
Bry, you saying that Raising Dion is not being respectful of the medium is the only disrespectful thing here on this video. The stories and art are what the comic medium is primarily about and the creators should be paid directly as much as possible. I love this trend and I hope more indi creators go this route till it becomes the norm. If you love comics to collect stories and art this is a wonderful thing. If you love comics for their investment potential my argument is you are not an enthusiast of the medium and instead an enthusiast of business, which is totally respectable in its own right, but to say these creators are not respecting the medium is wrong.
I agree with you that grading counterfeit or altered comics with blue labels is somewhat misleading. I bought a Marvel Special Edition #15 CBCS graded with a blue label. And while I inspected the book , I didn't think to inspect the label . Turns out that it was a restored copy, (which was noted on the... Blue label.) While I admit that it was on me for not inspecting the label, having labels that are at first glance the same as the universal grade labels can set people up to make expensive mistakes.
Thanks for sharing.
As a publisher, I would agree to disagree on print on demand point. Print run/print total doesn't come into play until you apply rarity/distribution to it. Print on demand falls into the same category as ratio variants or any other manufactured ratio book. Only the creator/publisher would truly know the total count of copies made when it comes to print on demand.
As far as batch or printing, it's more of a want of the collector to know to drive value up on a book than the publisher making a pure designation of a run. Granted, most people are you to physical distribution from companies like Diamond, Luna, Seguin, etc. But even the number reported as bought/ distributed to them isn't the total number printed by creator/publisher.
This problem isn't going to be addressed properly by all sides of the industry. If anything it just brings up the agreement of you're not a "real" publisher unless you doing offset printing than transparency in total numbers of copies.
Just something to think about.
I know the reason why counterfeit money is confiscated by police is to take it out of circulation.
CGC grading fake comics does two things; 1. makes sure they earn their money for the service, 2. makes the issue harder to be sold as real. I don't think they could just confiscate it or destroy it.
i would think grading the counterfeit is good for the community as long as it’s identified as such because then you know for sure what you are getting. it’s too easy for ungraded counterfeit books to trick people
Additionally, your right why is CGC allowing this to be in the census. Man, all sorts of red flags going off now.
Bro, I keep up the great work. You're a good dealer and take care of people. You're in the community and we appreciate you
Thanks Bry. Appreciate the update during the holidays
Technically, the Gen 13 Gold foil is not a counterfeit edition. its a regular edition that was modified after production.
Nice video. Merry Christmas Bry.
I agree. Fake should not be slabbed
Could not disagree more about Dion. Comics were never written with "collectors" in mind. They're for readers. People collect everything, collectors have to adapt to the creators, not the other way around. The value to collectors reflects all the factors you discussed... print run etc. Collector groups having notices like the buyer beware section is totally adequate IMO.
Thanks for the educational videos…Merry Christmas 🎄
Very interesting, especially the CGC grading issue. Agree, only grade authentic books.
Great info, always looking forward to all your videos
Great information. Thanks Bry!
Thanks, Happy Holidays
Appreciate what you do for the community Bry.
I forgot whose video I was watching, but it was someone walking through one of the cons and they stopped by a booth to talk to an artist they knew. This artist told them they were working on adding gold foil to someone else's comic art. I have seen these kinds of remarks done, but they are usually divulged to the buyers if they aren't already aware. Like isn't there someone remarking books like Venom Lethal protector #1 and Spawn #1?
Also, can you lower the volume of the click & subscribe animation? It is louder than Bry's own volume and obscures what he is saying for a second.
Will do, thanks for the heads up!
Always appreciate your “community awareness” videos! Thx
I didn't know about that Buyer Beware section on Key Collector...time to do some browsing.
Interesting topic and something I guess I haven’t thought much about before. CGC will grade anything if you pay for it I guess. Great video man. Keep killing it.
Great video Bry!
Happy Holidays
It's always in the back of my mind when buying more expensive books online that it might somehow be fake.
as always, thanks for keeping us informed
I think another watch out is all these marvel facsimiles of modern books that look almost exactly the same as the original.
Some look way to close
Very interesting. Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas!
Just found you this month you make some great videos. Keep up the good work
Welcome my friend!
I feel like the counterfeits graded are of books that hold some sort of significance even in counterfeit form. Like the fact that they are old counterfeits make them collectible themselves.
Specifically in regards to the Cerebus 1*
Good looking out for everyone Bry! Hope your "Herbie" book gets some love eventually!
Merry Christmas 🎅 🎄
Interesting look at some oddities on the aftermarker
Damn never heard of a counterfeit comic that's crazy. Awesome new feature from keycollector
Red Hood #25: KCC has to actually read the book…it’s not about the cover (alrhiugh the Yasmine Putri covers are great in this series),
It is a key in the sense of a pivotal moment in the development of the Red Hood character.
In issue #24, Jason crosses an irreversible line by shooting Penguin in the head, instantly killing him. The fallout pits him in a brutal confrontation with Batman, who condemns him for breaking the no-kill rule, severing Jason’s ties to the Bat-family. This issue also marks the end of the Outlaws, with Jason parting ways with his team. From then on, the series is titled Red Hood: Outlaw, reflecting Jason’s darker, more independent path.
It’s gradually climbed up in value over time with the right mix of scarcity and good writing. I suggest tracking one down and reading through it before passing judgement.
I've had the (I assume) unique experience of comparing a Cerebus 1 counterfeit to the real deal in person (about 25 years ago), and it was crazy to see the very small differences. Only reason I knew it was counterfeit is because the shop owner explained it to me.
Recently, I compared a CGC 9.8 Cry for Dawn 1 to a counterfeit version that was raw, and in the case of the counterfeit, it had a very evident moiré pattern, which happens when an already-printed piece is scanned for reproduction. It's difficult to explain through typing what that is, but I was an Creative Director at a print shop for 10 years, and I would see that on occasion from untrained graphic designers and frankly "hacks".
You really have to watch out on indie books, even up to the late '90s. I personally own a Johnny the Homicidal Maniac 3rd print that was graded by CGC as a 1st print. The kicker there is that you can see what printing it is from outside the case if you know how to check (which I do). Just a blunder by CGC but I'm not cracking it because it's a great teaching opportunity for that series.
In any case, great video and it's always good to spread the knowledge!
You’re a wealth of knowledge my friend!
Coming from someone who bought this like the month it released Netflix didn’t put enough money into Raising Dion, I watched it a bit but the costumes and CGI were bad at times.
Appreciate the info. Good to know.
Thanks for the heads up!
Thanks for the heads up.
Thanks for the share Bry! Key Collector has so many great categories. SALUTE
Very interesting thanks for the heads up I didn't know Key collector had this.
Thanks for the video always enjoy it
How is the Gen 13 different then acetate covers? They would be altered, not counterfeit. No different then getting a remark or signature. Simply, counterfeit is the wrong word to use in this situation. Altered cover, why do people constantly feel the need to redefine words?
You’re right, it’s just semantics 🤪
@@BrysComics counterfeiting is a crime, alteration of one's property is not. I wouldn't call that semantics.
Very interesting video and topics, very helpful. The acknowledged grading and retailing of "counterfeit" books especially by established players like MyComicShop and CGC is fascinating. If the books are clearly and conspicuously disclosed as "COUNTERFEIT" then two things: (i) putting aside the retailer or grader, doesn't the original owner have a copyright or trademark claim against the counterfeit(er)?--that's how counterfeits are usually dealt with in the real world; (ii) why is there that much interest in knock-offs to create a viable counterfeit market in the first place? Who is buying those and why?
Very good questions…
Shenanigans - Buyer beware - it never ends
Always a great video
Wow.. alot of information right here.. very informative. I have to say as informative and intelligient as this is.. lets not forget .. its about the stories you like. Dont get lost in the "collectors mind" and enjoy your books. However like I said.. great video!
Great info!
Great video!
I don't mind CGC grading counterfeit books. At least they can't be sold as legit when they're labeled counterfeit
First. Wow Cerebus 1 is amazing and to think that minute red outline is the difference between the real and fake. I have always been fearful of the comic industry and AI making books that look identical. The naked eye and new users would hardly notice. What a shame.
how about talk about key issues that are going down in price but would be long term good buys.
👍💯
Shoutout to keycollector for having a section for these kind of books
Wow! Very strange that CGC grades counterfeits
Print on demand OMG I have key collector app I definitely will go check out buyer beware thank you for the video
Love the videos
I agree if it is counterfeit CGC should authenticate.
Great info.
So normally I would say I agree and love your content but my eyes and ears busted when you said CGC should reject the counterfeit. Not everyone checks key collector and not everyone knows everything about a comic. This is a way to get the fake off the market. You reject it someone just sells it to someone unknowingly. This way it’s conversation piece and it keeps it from being sold to someone unknowingly.
Interesting, I never thought of it like that!
First of all is this a new change in CGC’s grading standards. Second if so, did this change happen within the last few years post Blackstone’s purchase of CGC?
I don't care about Gen 13, but I'd love to have a gold counterfeit 😂
Counterfeit comics should be destroyed by authenticators and not returned and certainly not graded. This is what happens with counterfeits in the fine art market. See for example Marc Chagall whose work was frequently counterfeited.
What if the counterfeit becomes worth more then the original
Grading counterfeit books? Anything for $$$
Is it possible for a counterfeit comic to be rare?
This is good info for everyone to know, but why would CGC even grade these knowing they are fakes
Please enter me in the monthly drawing. 😁😁😁
Cgc refused to grade a Donald Trump comic cover. But they will grade fakes.
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Regarding Raising Dion I couldnt disagree more. The creator doesnt need to worry about the collectability of their book. The creator had no idea anybody would like it first of all then option it to get a show. You assume they had the resources to print a book with x copies. There are professional comicbook writers and artist that use crowdfunding to get books made. This person has done something so forward thinking that im surprised more people dont do this more. Half the comicbook collectors look down on oeople like us that speculate and make money by charging a premium. There are stores in Baltimore that refuse to charge premiums. No slabs, yo ASM 300 for $$$. They sell new and cover price back issues. I slab and sell like you but the creator of Raiding Dion needs to be commended for doing something for the fans and especially kids. Keeping it cheap and available for all to read. Sorry, i’ll get off my soapbox. Rest of the video great job.
interesting
CGC sucks!!
I’m glad CGC grades counterfeit editions. Its an important part of Cerebus history and people want to collect it.
CGC OMG LOL
Great video and psa has never graded counterfeit trimmed or altered cards they send them back unslabbed with notes. Both stories are disturbing 😳