This video is exactly what what the educational league community strives to be. Its not a 30 kill stomp, its not a premade. You explain every single action and don't fast forward. This video was like a breath of fresh air. Thank you Saber.
Damn, Saber. You've always been one of if not the best educational adc creator in TH-cam but this video is sooo good for us hardstuck gold players. Thank you. Would be amazing if you could make a series about this kind of things with live gameplay explaining your thought process
I just want you to know that you inspired me to play adc again after this video. I put down my leona, grabbed my trusty varus and went 22 cs at 10 minutes in gold. Thanks saber!
@@xFSNSaberor just more Cait gameplays in gold to explain these different situations, showing us what you would do in the different gold fiesta circus moments.
@@xFSNSaber i think videos like what to do in low elo when you cant do what you know you're supposed to would be very good. like most ppl in this game youre playing would try freeze the wave for their supp to all in. but then would lose lane as they got poked out and their supp did nothing. you didnt do what youre 'naturally supposed to do' in a trade vs all in lane but still won coz u tested ur ooponent and made them show how bad they are and found a way to win/ create advantages. i think ppl in low elo (or ppl that fall into low elo) are bad at that....we assume ppl are better than they are maybe? good vids IMO would be how to lane when youre heavily outranged. or vs a hardpush lane with no jung support (xerath cait vs kaisa panth) how to mitigate losing in lane with a roaming supp (twitch ap supp). or what to do when your supp roams at in opportune times. how to mid game vs assassin when you cant mid lane. how to itemize vs dive comps but still do dmg. i dunno they could maybe be very short videos but i think ppl would watch them. i think a lot of gold adcs understand the normal standard games. its when the games get chaotic and you cant get to that 3 item spike coz top is gigafed as a tank or your cant get peel or u cant farm mid, or your team forever fights, supp doesnt care about u etc. the only way you would get these games though would be playing a low in gold elo and im not sure ANYBODY wants to go through that. or you can watch ppls games that could be sent to you and talk through mistakes. or as ppl play you can chat to them and whilst they talk through what they want to do you can tell them whats right or wrong ... my fave content (other than your education coaching vids) was skillcappeds bronze to diamond series...where they coached a noob to diamond. (i actually think he only got to high gold but the content was very useful and the live coaching on decision was good coz it was a noob doing it. not someone smurfing for a couple games and thats it. if he can do it then so can i
@@xFSNSaber I think something for other ADCs like Vayne, Jhin, Ashe etc. where the game plan is different due to range differences would be great. Like say if I'm playing Vayne, I'm getting pushed in 24/7, so this is what my plan is; or I'm playing Lucian, this is what my game plan is etc.
This is the best guide I've ever seen on how to actually win games. People give tons and tons of tips but seeing it in a full game format, where you not only give good advice but explain WHY it's good, is so invaluable. Thank you!!
Thanks for this, I appreciate jumping to the lower elo's. I just love the full playthrough commentary, super helpful, even more so when it is in the lower elo's (for me personally because I am there haha).
love this content, this video stands out to me as helpful and amusing among a sea of clickbait videos with similar descriptions promising to deliver the ultimate game-altering tips and tricks but failing to deliver anything of substance. thanks, i appreciate this.
We need more! Ignoring what your team is doing and going for the wave usually means they'll all die and spam ping you. Or situations where your teammates are caught out on repeat?
You're teammates are bad. They are spam pinging you, because they are bad. Ignore bad players. Follow saber's advice. Farm, push mid. take towers. While you're teammates are dying randomly in jungle you will be killing nexus because you went mid and enemy team didn't respond.
I've been watching your channel for a while now and i love how speak your mind, you show us your thinking process and guide through the game. I learn a lot of this kind of videos
I've been doing a similar playstyle in my own games and it really has been a pretty consistent way to get strong (im forever iron/bronze/silver btw since i barely play ranked). Also, you mentioned catching sidelane waves if mid didnt want to go sidelane, but what do you do in a situation where it's not safe to walk up in such a long lane and the wave is pushing away from you? Love the content btw!
I think the most frustrating part is when you take early turrets or go to catch a wave. Then your mid or jg comes to take all the cs. So then you go back to a different lane...and then they come and take the cs again, or refuse to rotate when you have the advantage.
Saber, thanks a lot for these guides. after being hardstuck gold 4 for 3 years, this time I actually tried to implement all your advice and got to emerald within 2 weeks and my mechanics are bad af, i just won by mid-game macro just like you said xD
My biggest struggle is my team and I know that sounds like piss low crap but hear me out. I'm at the point where I know how to win lane and I know when to give up farm when I'm losing lane against a tough matchup and not feed, I just don't know what to do against the enemy team snowballing at that point when I'm pinned trying to farm under tower and the enemy jungler has free prio making plays getting objectives. At that point it kinda seems like a coinflip whether my team does better or not while I wait out the early game and scale.
You should explain the opposing perspective. How do you play when you’re Alphelios? What’s the next play when the Caitlyn goes mid and has this lead? What are some ways to edge back small advantages before and after this point?
@@xFSNSaber how do you balance that goal with the other goal of still taking the bottom lane tower? In order to regain bottom map control for objective fights. After winning team fights or during champion resets in the mid game?
@@BadConeja if the enemy bot lane goes mid after taking your tower, your goal isn't really to take their bot tower it's to match enemy bot unless your mid is smurfing
@@xFSNSaber I just did this in my last match. Totally got me back in the game actually. My mid and I were the two best players in the lobby, but she (Akali) rotated bottom when I mirrored mid at level 9 (swapped to blue trinket as well). I only had 1 death at that point. I had a Vlad support and played into a Caitlyn + Swain bottom. I lost lane so fast it was 32 vs 12 cs at the start and my supp died so fast Swain was 6 and my supp was still 4. I was just patient and got a good root/ult on Swain under my tower to pick up a 450 bounty before the rotation happened. I would still rotate lanes after resets to get waves before returning to mid/fight locations. I picked up a couple more bounties as well and eventually got a 2 level lead on the enemy team. I always would focus on bottom control before this, I didn't understand the shifting goals after losing my tower and how to recover from a losing game state. Thank you. I also happened to play very well and land some amazing roots. One in particular was when Akali on 5% HP was being chased by Rengar R, I preemptively placed Q feathers (Xayah), ghosted and when I saw Rengar hit W+E for a quick root and follow up just as he hit my mid T2 tower. It was a flawless root and kill and saved Akali. During this game we only got one dragon and they had soul point with one cloud, a mountain and two chemtech. No elder spawned before we ended. We secured two barons. We didn't take a single rift herald. We won through mid lane with top and bottom T3 still up.
What do you do if your in aphelios’ position, you have a wave crashing and can freeze it but you have to back bec you are low on health and mana. Should you freeze? Also great video btw ive learned so much from your content!!
more content like this please, great video, i think it would be great do sometime different series with different champions, like with different scenarios, when ur mid perma goes mid in midgame, playing or carrying in low elo when your team is behind/inting and such, more low elo content/educational content
The main reason why low elo players say "this isn't possible" is because they don't understand how to identify the mistakes of their own elo and how to abuse those. They are silver players playing in silver, gold in gold, plat in plat, and they would rather sit and complain about how the elo is doomed rather than working hard to implement habits to play like a smurf. Hint for low elo players: You are the rank you are. End of statement. To CLIMB, you have. to. be. better. than. your. current. rank. So if you're hard stuck, you're there for a reason. Work hard and change mental.
Hey saber thnx for the insight, I was wondering if you could make a trap guide. For ex: trapping with a thresh, blitz, maokai. And some of the trickier champs to land trap with. Most of my cait mechanics are good but my trap usage needs lots of work. Maybe a trap tier list of some sort. Thnx for the content, enjoy your cait gameplay. Its helped me improve a lot. Keep it up
ok, just wanted to add a comment here that says that this video is the gospel. legit am getting 8.5 to 10 cs per minute in most of my games since watching this one and the kai'sa video. even though I'm not smurfing in literally every game. (I'm not saber after all) But it really feels like a revelation. literally just fucking ignore the dumb shit your team does. and you just play an entirely different game than everyone else. I'm often flame horizon my opponent adc and it doesn't matter how bad lane goes or early mid game goes. TLDR, shove waves, then acquire elo and e girls.
I am now in phase 2. The difference in my games is while that team fight breaks out while i get mid, my team gets wiped in 2 seconds, then rage because i was getting cs and didnt come fight.
Sometimes it's better to go in the fight first, rather than getting the wave, ESPECIALLY if they don't listen to your pings, yo ufeel they are going to fight RIGHT NOW Because if u are there fighting you can win, if you are not there, then you are sure 100% to lose it! Ah if you feel the fight is lost in advance don't go for it, get the farm ^^' Who cares if they rage, flame , spam ping ? MUTE ALL, u carry, not monkeys.
Thank you for the video, Saber. I had a question involving Midgame pressure. How exactly do I get Midwave when I DON'T have access to my outplay tool (Galeforce on CD, Lucian E on CD, et cetera)? I often try to make a play with my Tempo only to get ambushed when I return to lane because I've exhausted all of my tools for self-peel.
You should make an edit of the scene from Moneyball when they are picking who to draft and when Brad Pitt points to Jonah Hill, he says “he gets mid wave.”
Dont wanna be "that" guy, but wouldve loved to see how to get out of a situation where enemy jungle camps your lane, your jungle is on farming spree whilist both your mid and top getting crushed in lane 1v1. By the time you get to 10 min mark you have to face 6/0 top and 5/0 mid with about 8-10csm each, obviously assuming you didnt straight out lose lane due to enemy ganks. Happens pretty frequently on eune gold elo.
I had a game where i was playing cait bot lane in gold elo, after 20 mins of the game the enemy Zac top laner was hyper fed with 4k+ HP and 250 armor and the same for their seju jungle and im supposed to carry that where i die by shooting him alone from his thornmail
That gold game is an entirely different reality from what I see in my games almost like 8 out of 10 when everyone starts play aram in whatever lane I rotate, most commonly mid -.-
Jajajaja. You're lucky. Most of the games I play wind up becoming episodes of Rambo as everyone will just fight in the River or Jungle because the play *looks good*.
12:00 they push because we are taught to shove when enemies crash their wave under tower to avoid the bounce back and lose tons of cs to a freeze or slow push.
26:26 why not base for IE spike? It's a canon wave so you should not lose much farm and you don't have to be a sitting duck mid when your team is basically pinging they are at drake
@@xFSNSaber Yes rewatching it's already boucing back which makes this play really weird, the back and forth in the replay made me a bit confused about the waves. The play is less weird if you don't factor the map, which I'm pretty sure Aphelios isn't watching, he seems to be an autopilot player. He probably wanted a plate to come back in the game or didn't feel the need to base (he based soon before that and probably has no buy) and didn't want to bore himself farming from afar.
@25:40 when Saber says Aphelios commits Sudoku xD, I just see him playing the 1-9 number game. Too bad it wasn't Yasuo or Yone to truly understand Seppuku or hara kiri, the samurai suicide. Otherwise this is really useful man as usual. Ignore team, get farm, get items, win game.
Love your content its helped me so much with Cait, but one thing is I can't dodge skill shots for shit. Could you make a video on how to dodge skill shots consistently? Would appreciate it a lot.
I'm not an expert but what I do is, I try to look for patterns in lane. People usually are always trying to skill shot you when you are going up for minons, so you bait them by pretending to go early and backing up. Also usually when you dodge a skill shot one way, usually they are looking for that same direction next time so don't do the same thing again. If the person is really good then I just give up and rush tier 2 boots cause then you have more ms to dodge.
"Aphelios decides to commit sudoku." I am not sure if that line was intentional for TH-cam censoring or not but it was hilarious. Sudoku is a math puzzle for those who don't know... see 25:43 Other than the light roast, keep up the great content. I love your work.
What do I do if my support forces an engage because he THINKS we win the 2v2 when in fact we don't? Do I just stay back and let him die? And what if he just engages when we have no knowledge of where the Jungler is?
you should not be getting hit in the first place, when you go for cs you need to bait enemy support's abilities. If you don't you get hit, and that's how you're getting poked out. For example, xerath q cd is not 1 second, it's like 9-7 seconds so every time you bait it out you can do whatever you want for like 9 seconds
I think there are a few things too improve here. 1. Im pretty sure on the first b, u should slow push and let it crash with the cannon wave. So u dont lose a shit. 2.u kinda said it, but dont just push waves on default ( Laningphase). It should be ur default to stack 2 or 3 Waves. So u have more time. and it opens gank or/and engage possibility's cause u the enemy will fell the need of crashing the wave. 3. After drake 27:00 u are of tempo by going to catch midwave. At this point ur just giving the enemy an opportunity to find a catch. U might lose a wave but u get a good b and gotta keep ur summs. Last but not least always remind ur self: there will be games when all of this wont work cause u get cheesed or some one is running it down. It happens to everyone ! Just take a deep breath or a break and keep going, keep improving. In the long run u will climb. thx saber for good content
Saber knows they will try to catch him. He emphasizes many times in the video that when you touch the wave and thus show yourself on the map, you have to be wary of enemy engages, and have a gameplan of countering. Here he only used his heal which he didn't even need to since Diana was so behind, and he still got the wave minus the cannon he was forced off of by Riven.
the only issue I see with this video is that your support is not actively playing against you, not even just playing passively. I'm on a 5 game losing streak in silver atm where every single time my support is playing against me pushing waves when I back perfectly making me miss 2 waves by the time I'm back in lane.
Love the content Saber! Only question I have is what do I do if I achieve what is said in the video, but by around 14mins (when you rotated to mid) the score is 2-21 and enemy jg+mid are ultra fed with their top having advantage? This is an every 7/10 - 8/10 games normal occurrence for me. My friends say I'm cursed to lose (they've seen this happen for years now), but I'm wondering if there is a way to win these games? Given that I am actually doing everything said in the video. Thanks!
they can't end unless you die, and eventually they'll troll and give up shutdown (this is gold no? but happens at every rank) your job is to make sure that possibility exists before you make a mistake
@@xFSNSaber So really it comes down to you not dying and hopefully can capitalize off of a throw. Got it. Will keep this in mind for my next games that will have this kind of score line. Thank you!
Very good, thank you. I have a question regarding mid-game income acceleration. I usually struggle to maintain a good impact as adc between 2 and 3 items (e.g. not enough AS for a good uptime on Xayah/Sivir W, or not enough armor pen to threaten the frontline who has about 2 items as well), so I'm looking to minimize the time I spend at this powerlevel. At what point in the game is the adc entitled to farm jungle camps? I usually take everything after 2 items if my jungler is doing something on the other side of the map, but it sometimes annoys them a lot. Does it depend more on the jungler I have (supportive/tank or carry) or on how ahead/behind he is in the game? Or am I just griefing if I take anything more than red and occasional raptors from my jungler?
Take camps, if they get upset then don't take camps. Don't grief tempo/health/playmaking to take camps though, you do it when you have free time like team coming out of base and you didnt have a buy
So if u were Aphelios at 18:16 what would u do? Just farm under tower bc mid gets shoved permanently and u lack vision? It just seems like you can't do anything and might as well push bot, praying Raka's healing can carry u in a 2v2 and hoping enemy jg is all farming in the meanwhile.
hi thx for the video 26 mns u help drake then goes mid often when i default mid, team is defaulting mid too then, sharing xp etc i need to read them or goes before them to catch wave first... great vid still btw
Yeah but try that against a blitz or nautilus where getting hit by 1 spell = having to flash and lose half health or die. Its too dangerous to play like that
could you do a less dominant lane, like kaisa vs some kind of stronger bot lane where they'll be able to pressure you, then if you have a traffic cone support you actually dont get to have full control of lane cause you're 1v2, this is where I struggle the most to produce good cs and xp, and then im usually coming out of lane behind and struggle to play from behind as well
i mean this is not a lane strength diff, this is a enemy botlane has no idea what to do diff. If played properly, they should be able to take favorable trades against us and create an hp lead to apply pressure, but sure I'll show something like playing vs draven leona
@@xFSNSaber that would be great, yeah ig I mean when playing against an aggro lane that's actually playing aggro and your support just stands behind you and does nothing, I feel like these are the 1v2 lanes where I fall very far behind cause I basically just stand my ground and feed or completely sacrifice the lane
i dont know if its video worthy, but i find it hard to come back and grow lead if enemy jg or other lanes snowballs fast from a chaotic play. would i play the same as you do in the video, or safer to avoid ganks by focusing on vision more and freezing often? thanks
Thoughts on playing mid adc. I have adc hands but I am a better mid laner because I played it so long. Rn I'm in the top 9% (from porofessor) of cser with tristana but stuck in gold
If your top side loses but you end implementing this strategy effectively and it comes down to team fighting does it come down to which adc team fights better (mechanics) or you want to keep building a 10cs/min advantage until you have an advantage over enemy adc?
does the wave advice also apply to midlaners who swap bot? Like in the mid game should they shove the bot wave all the way to the tier 2 turret? What if they are unsafe going that deep? Or are midlaners not supposed to maximize their income as much as adcs after laneswapping because its more dangerous?
If your champ is good at side laning you might be able to go into their half but be mindful where your opponents are. if you play a mage with no mobility you can just shove waves on your half/ near tower and then rotate
you feel like it's impossible because you play situations wrong and end up dying, if you play the situations correctly most of the time you can pick up waves even when your team is inting, and there are times where if you preserve hp and sums you can 1v2 the dive for example
I'm gonna try the dance while I play trade support. When I main adc and trade, I feel like my trades are very random, because I only trade based on number of minions. I can't tell if they will dodge or eat the shot because I am not looking at our minions hp
Bro you how do you do this with low range engage type adcs (kaisa, xayah, etc.)? depending on what your support is and what they do you might have trouble even hitting the minions let alone poking and pressuring
i wanna see a video similar to this when your team mates are down behind alot is it still possible to win? when i see a aphelios its a free win for the most part
But what if im going to catch sidelane wave and my whole team just randonly engage and dying? I know its like not my problem but i lose too much lp with situations like this.
I play twitch and if I go against a double poke lane I feel like its impossible to accomplish the goals you talked about in the beginning of the video. Any advice? My experience is farming under tower and then being down in cs and some times being dove by the jungler or sometimes being 4 manned and that not counting the extreme poke you can take by the poke lane it self. What can I do as an adc to deal with this without having to depend on my support
you're guaranteed to go down in cs pretty much, but you don't have to be guaranteed to lose hp. Focus on preserving hp so that when a play comes (maybe sup finds engage/jg ganks/mid roams) you will be healthy enough to follow up and win. That doesn't mean afk and forgo cs, it means pretend to go for cs and dodge their poke to give yourself breathing room
I don't know if this is a fair game. None of your solo laners or jungle ran it down which is usually how most games are lost in this elo, usually from a result. You could've probably been even with Aphelios and you would still win this game just because your team was actually not soft-griefing it and dying on cooldown. I love this series and format tho, would love to see plat and diamond games as well where the enemies generally know better about the matchup and how to play their lane. Aphelios and Soraka barely contested you on the wave at any point, and whenever they did they just ended up dying from not having any river vision, which is something you probably wouldn't see in higher elos, even tho it probably happens everywhere in all honesty, just to a lesser extent.
I used Caitlyn because according to u.gg she is most played in Gold
Ofcourse you did ;)
Good thing I always ban cait if not first pick
Can you do Ashe plz ?
BASED
@@yessir1913 Ban Jinx, it will save you
This video is exactly what what the educational league community strives to be. Its not a 30 kill stomp, its not a premade. You explain every single action and don't fast forward. This video was like a breath of fresh air. Thank you Saber.
Damn, Saber. You've always been one of if not the best educational adc creator in TH-cam but this video is sooo good for us hardstuck gold players. Thank you. Would be amazing if you could make a series about this kind of things with live gameplay explaining your thought process
I just want you to know that you inspired me to play adc again after this video. I put down my leona, grabbed my trusty varus and went 22 cs at 10 minutes in gold. Thanks saber!
OMG IT WAS YOU jk
You should make this a series to differentiate it from the other videos.
hmm how so?
@@xFSNSaber different champs, different scenarios, you keeping a cool head and explaining your thought process. This was great.
@@xFSNSaberor just more Cait gameplays in gold to explain these different situations, showing us what you would do in the different gold fiesta circus moments.
@@xFSNSaber i think videos like what to do in low elo when you cant do what you know you're supposed to would be very good. like most ppl in this game youre playing would try freeze the wave for their supp to all in. but then would lose lane as they got poked out and their supp did nothing. you didnt do what youre 'naturally supposed to do' in a trade vs all in lane but still won coz u tested ur ooponent and made them show how bad they are and found a way to win/ create advantages. i think ppl in low elo (or ppl that fall into low elo) are bad at that....we assume ppl are better than they are maybe?
good vids IMO would be how to lane when youre heavily outranged. or vs a hardpush lane with no jung support (xerath cait vs kaisa panth)
how to mitigate losing in lane with a roaming supp (twitch ap supp). or what to do when your supp roams at in opportune times.
how to mid game vs assassin when you cant mid lane.
how to itemize vs dive comps but still do dmg.
i dunno they could maybe be very short videos but i think ppl would watch them. i think a lot of gold adcs understand the normal standard games. its when the games get chaotic and you cant get to that 3 item spike coz top is gigafed as a tank or your cant get peel or u cant farm mid, or your team forever fights, supp doesnt care about u etc.
the only way you would get these games though would be playing a low in gold elo and im not sure ANYBODY wants to go through that. or you can watch ppls games that could be sent to you and talk through mistakes. or as ppl play you can chat to them and whilst they talk through what they want to do you can tell them whats right or wrong ...
my fave content (other than your education coaching vids) was skillcappeds bronze to diamond series...where they coached a noob to diamond. (i actually think he only got to high gold but the content was very useful and the live coaching on decision was good coz it was a noob doing it. not someone smurfing for a couple games and thats it. if he can do it then so can i
@@xFSNSaber I think something for other ADCs like Vayne, Jhin, Ashe etc. where the game plan is different due to range differences would be great. Like say if I'm playing Vayne, I'm getting pushed in 24/7, so this is what my plan is; or I'm playing Lucian, this is what my game plan is etc.
This is the best guide I've ever seen on how to actually win games. People give tons and tons of tips but seeing it in a full game format, where you not only give good advice but explain WHY it's good, is so invaluable. Thank you!!
Thanks for this, I appreciate jumping to the lower elo's. I just love the full playthrough commentary, super helpful, even more so when it is in the lower elo's (for me personally because I am there haha).
love this content, this video stands out to me as helpful and amusing among a sea of clickbait videos with similar descriptions promising to deliver the ultimate game-altering tips and tricks but failing to deliver anything of substance. thanks, i appreciate this.
We need more! Ignoring what your team is doing and going for the wave usually means they'll all die and spam ping you. Or situations where your teammates are caught out on repeat?
You're teammates are bad. They are spam pinging you, because they are bad. Ignore bad players. Follow saber's advice. Farm, push mid. take towers. While you're teammates are dying randomly in jungle you will be killing nexus because you went mid and enemy team didn't respond.
I've been watching your channel for a while now and i love how speak your mind, you show us your thinking process and guide through the game.
I learn a lot of this kind of videos
Really really solid postgame commentary. Thank you :)
I love these "basic" educational videos. Its just very helpful to understand the fundamentals for decisionmaking. Thanks!
I've been doing a similar playstyle in my own games and it really has been a pretty consistent way to get strong (im forever iron/bronze/silver btw since i barely play ranked). Also, you mentioned catching sidelane waves if mid didnt want to go sidelane, but what do you do in a situation where it's not safe to walk up in such a long lane and the wave is pushing away from you? Love the content btw!
you were supposed to be there before the wave meets, but if it's not safe you don't go
I think the most frustrating part is when you take early turrets or go to catch a wave. Then your mid or jg comes to take all the cs. So then you go back to a different lane...and then they come and take the cs again, or refuse to rotate when you have the advantage.
Doesn't happen every game, and as I'm climbing it happens less because I think people realize they need the adc to be strong mid/late game.
Thank you for this. There are a lot of basic stuff I don't even know that you took the time to explain. Hope you make more newbie-friendly videos!
Thank you for your content. I just reached diamond this season as ADC, and I'd say it's mostly because of you!
huge help thank you for the vid was able to go look at my vods and see where exactly ive been messing up causing me to be hard stuck
xFSN Saber, I loved this video so much, I had to hit the like button!
Saber, thanks a lot for these guides. after being hardstuck gold 4 for 3 years, this time I actually tried to implement all your advice and got to emerald within 2 weeks and my mechanics are bad af, i just won by mid-game macro just like you said xD
xFSN Saber, Your videos always brighten my day, so I subscribed!
Use this as a Saber is the most underrated ADC content creator/coach on the internet button.
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bro "commit sudoku" at 25:43 is insane hahahaha
Another good video. Man what’s up with 2023. Saber uploading so many good videos it’s been a while bro good shittt
My biggest struggle is my team and I know that sounds like piss low crap but hear me out.
I'm at the point where I know how to win lane and I know when to give up farm when I'm losing lane against a tough matchup and not feed, I just don't know what to do against the enemy team snowballing at that point when I'm pinned trying to farm under tower and the enemy jungler has free prio making plays getting objectives. At that point it kinda seems like a coinflip whether my team does better or not while I wait out the early game and scale.
Very nice video. Please make more videos like this, Specially when your team is running it down and how can you handle it.
You should explain the opposing perspective. How do you play when you’re Alphelios? What’s the next play when the Caitlyn goes mid and has this lead? What are some ways to edge back small advantages before and after this point?
Clear mid asap and try to trade with soraka heal on item spikes, make income and teamfight well
@@xFSNSaber how do you balance that goal with the other goal of still taking the bottom lane tower? In order to regain bottom map control for objective fights. After winning team fights or during champion resets in the mid game?
@@BadConeja if the enemy bot lane goes mid after taking your tower, your goal isn't really to take their bot tower it's to match enemy bot unless your mid is smurfing
@@xFSNSaber I just did this in my last match. Totally got me back in the game actually. My mid and I were the two best players in the lobby, but she (Akali) rotated bottom when I mirrored mid at level 9 (swapped to blue trinket as well). I only had 1 death at that point. I had a Vlad support and played into a Caitlyn + Swain bottom. I lost lane so fast it was 32 vs 12 cs at the start and my supp died so fast Swain was 6 and my supp was still 4. I was just patient and got a good root/ult on Swain under my tower to pick up a 450 bounty before the rotation happened. I would still rotate lanes after resets to get waves before returning to mid/fight locations. I picked up a couple more bounties as well and eventually got a 2 level lead on the enemy team. I always would focus on bottom control before this, I didn't understand the shifting goals after losing my tower and how to recover from a losing game state. Thank you. I also happened to play very well and land some amazing roots. One in particular was when Akali on 5% HP was being chased by Rengar R, I preemptively placed Q feathers (Xayah), ghosted and when I saw Rengar hit W+E for a quick root and follow up just as he hit my mid T2 tower. It was a flawless root and kill and saved Akali.
During this game we only got one dragon and they had soul point with one cloud, a mountain and two chemtech. No elder spawned before we ended. We secured two barons. We didn't take a single rift herald. We won through mid lane with top and bottom T3 still up.
What do you do if your in aphelios’ position, you have a wave crashing and can freeze it but you have to back bec you are low on health and mana. Should you freeze? Also great video btw ive learned so much from your content!!
I think this is kinda just like, don't get there in the first place.
yea pull wave and insta base
“Aphelios decides to commit sudoku”, lol
more content like this please, great video, i think it would be great do sometime different series with different champions, like with different scenarios, when ur mid perma goes mid in midgame, playing or carrying in low elo when your team is behind/inting and such, more low elo content/educational content
Thank you so much, Saber. I learn a lot from you. Have a great time in your vacation.
The main reason why low elo players say "this isn't possible" is because they don't understand how to identify the mistakes of their own elo and how to abuse those. They are silver players playing in silver, gold in gold, plat in plat, and they would rather sit and complain about how the elo is doomed rather than working hard to implement habits to play like a smurf.
Hint for low elo players: You are the rank you are. End of statement. To CLIMB, you have. to. be. better. than. your. current. rank. So if you're hard stuck, you're there for a reason. Work hard and change mental.
Hey saber thnx for the insight, I was wondering if you could make a trap guide. For ex: trapping with a thresh, blitz, maokai. And some of the trickier champs to land trap with. Most of my cait mechanics are good but my trap usage needs lots of work. Maybe a trap tier list of some sort. Thnx for the content, enjoy your cait gameplay. Its helped me improve a lot. Keep it up
I figured that i have a hard time trapping seraphines ult.
ok, just wanted to add a comment here that says that this video is the gospel. legit am getting 8.5 to 10 cs per minute in most of my games since watching this one and the kai'sa video. even though I'm not smurfing in literally every game. (I'm not saber after all) But it really feels like a revelation. literally just fucking ignore the dumb shit your team does. and you just play an entirely different game than everyone else. I'm often flame horizon my opponent adc and it doesn't matter how bad lane goes or early mid game goes.
TLDR, shove waves, then acquire elo and e girls.
Saber you are a godsend to anyone wanting to improve at adc
o7
I need to see a montage of you calling things illegal. It'll make my day 😂
I am now in phase 2. The difference in my games is while that team fight breaks out while i get mid, my team gets wiped in 2 seconds, then rage because i was getting cs and didnt come fight.
Sometimes it's better to go in the fight first, rather than getting the wave, ESPECIALLY if they don't listen to your pings, yo ufeel they are going to fight RIGHT NOW
Because if u are there fighting you can win, if you are not there, then you are sure 100% to lose it!
Ah if you feel the fight is lost in advance don't go for it, get the farm ^^'
Who cares if they rage, flame , spam ping ? MUTE ALL, u carry, not monkeys.
Thanks so much for putting this up!
I farm waves, therefore i exist.
Thats what i got from this video
Thank you for the video, Saber. I had a question involving Midgame pressure. How exactly do I get Midwave when I DON'T have access to my outplay tool (Galeforce on CD, Lucian E on CD, et cetera)? I often try to make a play with my Tempo only to get ambushed when I return to lane because I've exhausted all of my tools for self-peel.
you afk and wait for them to make a move first, eg they show top you push mid, they show mid you catch wave under tower and defend dive
You should make an edit of the scene from Moneyball when they are picking who to draft and when Brad Pitt points to Jonah Hill, he says “he gets mid wave.”
Dont wanna be "that" guy, but wouldve loved to see how to get out of a situation where enemy jungle camps your lane, your jungle is on farming spree whilist both your mid and top getting crushed in lane 1v1. By the time you get to 10 min mark you have to face 6/0 top and 5/0 mid with about 8-10csm each, obviously assuming you didnt straight out lose lane due to enemy ganks.
Happens pretty frequently on eune gold elo.
I had a game where i was playing cait bot lane in gold elo, after 20 mins of the game the enemy Zac top laner was hyper fed with 4k+ HP and 250 armor and the same for their seju jungle and im supposed to carry that where i die by shooting him alone from his thornmail
You have to stomp early. Use advantage of your big range of AA
Bro just FYI I love ur videos, and I hope ur Mr streamer for a long long time.
25:45 aphelios commits sudoku LMAO
That gold game is an entirely different reality from what I see in my games almost like 8 out of 10 when everyone starts play aram in whatever lane I rotate, most commonly mid -.-
Jajajaja. You're lucky. Most of the games I play wind up becoming episodes of Rambo as everyone will just fight in the River or Jungle because the play *looks good*.
you should make a video giving an example of what to do when behind i.e what to do if you were the aphelios in that game :D
12:00 they push because we are taught to shove when enemies crash their wave under tower to avoid the bounce back and lose tons of cs to a freeze or slow push.
We also don't know the map exist like for real. Point in case I have no idea when to look at the minimap during laning phase.
26:26 why not base for IE spike? It's a canon wave so you should not lose much farm and you don't have to be a sitting duck mid when your team is basically pinging they are at drake
wut? the wave is clearly pushing to them (this is a safe lane state)
@@cloudwalker9572 base for ie here is pretty good, would probably be better than what i did
@@xFSNSaber Yes rewatching it's already boucing back which makes this play really weird, the back and forth in the replay made me a bit confused about the waves. The play is less weird if you don't factor the map, which I'm pretty sure Aphelios isn't watching, he seems to be an autopilot player. He probably wanted a plate to come back in the game or didn't feel the need to base (he based soon before that and probably has no buy) and didn't want to bore himself farming from afar.
i hope you show more examples and other videos! great stuff
nice video! can you post one where your gold support just ints and gets mad at you, too ?
you should make a video about what the game plan is if you lose lane, (or do you deserve to lose after that)
catch all waves and play fights well
@25:40 when Saber says Aphelios commits Sudoku xD, I just see him playing the 1-9 number game. Too bad it wasn't Yasuo or Yone to truly understand Seppuku or hara kiri, the samurai suicide. Otherwise this is really useful man as usual. Ignore team, get farm, get items, win game.
Amazing video and a great explanation!!
Love your content its helped me so much with Cait, but one thing is I can't dodge skill shots for shit. Could you make a video on how to dodge skill shots consistently? Would appreciate it a lot.
I'm not an expert but what I do is, I try to look for patterns in lane. People usually are always trying to skill shot you when you are going up for minons, so you bait them by pretending to go early and backing up. Also usually when you dodge a skill shot one way, usually they are looking for that same direction next time so don't do the same thing again. If the person is really good then I just give up and rush tier 2 boots cause then you have more ms to dodge.
That was so good saber, I wish that I can give u more than a like on this video :*
"Aphelios decides to commit sudoku." I am not sure if that line was intentional for TH-cam censoring or not but it was hilarious. Sudoku is a math puzzle for those who don't know... see 25:43
Other than the light roast, keep up the great content. I love your work.
What do I do if my support forces an engage because he THINKS we win the 2v2 when in fact we don't? Do I just stay back and let him die? And what if he just engages when we have no knowledge of where the Jungler is?
let him troll
I usually type early game "yo ima farm" and HOPEFULLY that tells your support what type of adc you are
@@xFSNSaber Gotcha. Just farm and screw whenever my support is inting
How to play when u are pushed so hard and u cant even go near the wave cause of poke?
this shud never happen if ur playing cait
Would be interesting to see a video of a situation like this, although I don't think Saber would really get put in this position playing in gold lol.
you should not be getting hit in the first place, when you go for cs you need to bait enemy support's abilities. If you don't you get hit, and that's how you're getting poked out.
For example, xerath q cd is not 1 second, it's like 9-7 seconds so every time you bait it out you can do whatever you want for like 9 seconds
@@xFSNSaber and except cait what are the other ADCs that can consistently do all u said in video?
@@gruszkiensss3271 wut? Nothing I said in the video is Caitlyn specific my guy
I think there are a few things too improve here.
1. Im pretty sure on the first b, u should slow push and let it crash with the cannon wave. So u dont lose a shit.
2.u kinda said it, but dont just push waves on default ( Laningphase). It should be ur default to stack 2 or 3 Waves. So u have more time. and it opens gank or/and engage possibility's cause u the enemy will fell the need of crashing the wave.
3. After drake 27:00 u are of tempo by going to catch midwave. At this point ur just giving the enemy an opportunity to find a catch. U might lose a wave but u get a good b and gotta keep ur summs.
Last but not least always remind ur self: there will be games when all of this wont work cause u get cheesed or some one is running it down. It happens to everyone ! Just take a deep breath or a break and keep going, keep improving. In the long run u will climb.
thx saber for good content
Saber knows they will try to catch him. He emphasizes many times in the video that when you touch the wave and thus show yourself on the map, you have to be wary of enemy engages, and have a gameplan of countering. Here he only used his heal which he didn't even need to since Diana was so behind, and he still got the wave minus the cannon he was forced off of by Riven.
Duuude, I just used the tips of this video and i instantly upped my gameplay wtf...
honestly a perfect game for educational purposes, just getting strong off macro not coming out of lane 10/0 etc
the only issue I see with this video is that your support is not actively playing against you, not even just playing passively. I'm on a 5 game losing streak in silver atm where every single time my support is playing against me pushing waves when I back perfectly making me miss 2 waves by the time I'm back in lane.
Love the content Saber! Only question I have is what do I do if I achieve what is said in the video, but by around 14mins (when you rotated to mid) the score is 2-21 and enemy jg+mid are ultra fed with their top having advantage? This is an every 7/10 - 8/10 games normal occurrence for me. My friends say I'm cursed to lose (they've seen this happen for years now), but I'm wondering if there is a way to win these games? Given that I am actually doing everything said in the video. Thanks!
they can't end unless you die, and eventually they'll troll and give up shutdown (this is gold no? but happens at every rank) your job is to make sure that possibility exists before you make a mistake
@@xFSNSaber So really it comes down to you not dying and hopefully can capitalize off of a throw. Got it. Will keep this in mind for my next games that will have this kind of score line. Thank you!
"This is an every 7/10 - 8/10 games normal occurrence for me"
capp
Very good, thank you.
I have a question regarding mid-game income acceleration. I usually struggle to maintain a good impact as adc between 2 and 3 items (e.g. not enough AS for a good uptime on Xayah/Sivir W, or not enough armor pen to threaten the frontline who has about 2 items as well), so I'm looking to minimize the time I spend at this powerlevel. At what point in the game is the adc entitled to farm jungle camps? I usually take everything after 2 items if my jungler is doing something on the other side of the map, but it sometimes annoys them a lot. Does it depend more on the jungler I have (supportive/tank or carry) or on how ahead/behind he is in the game?
Or am I just griefing if I take anything more than red and occasional raptors from my jungler?
Take camps, if they get upset then don't take camps. Don't grief tempo/health/playmaking to take camps though, you do it when you have free time like team coming out of base and you didnt have a buy
After watching this, I feel like I can get out of gold now, and I'm only silver
So if u were Aphelios at 18:16 what would u do? Just farm under tower bc mid gets shoved permanently and u lack vision? It just seems like you can't do anything and might as well push bot, praying Raka's healing can carry u in a 2v2 and hoping enemy jg is all farming in the meanwhile.
anything that doesn't involve inting into jg, for example fake base to make them push in, hide in bush, wait for jg to sit and then walk up ect
hi thx for the video
26 mns u help drake then goes mid
often when i default mid, team is defaulting mid too then, sharing xp etc
i need to read them or goes before them to catch wave first...
great vid still btw
Thank you papa saber helped a ton
I liked that video and would even watch an even longer one where you go more in depth. 1 Hour and longer
Listening to this shit on repeat, deff make more man!!
When you say back during cannon wave, does that mean clear the cannon and then go back? Or right when the wave comes?
best ad teacher
Yeah but try that against a blitz or nautilus where getting hit by 1 spell = having to flash and lose half health or die. Its too dangerous to play like that
breh even if i go into a practice game and free farm without anyone contesting me or ever leaving lane i cant get 10cs a min xD
Plot twist: Don't play ADC because you need to know so many things and your team don't need it.
It worked! im out of gold, now plat
Me too! Now I`m silver
@@jotage3446 gold before?
could you do a less dominant lane, like kaisa vs some kind of stronger bot lane where they'll be able to pressure you, then if you have a traffic cone support you actually dont get to have full control of lane cause you're 1v2, this is where I struggle the most to produce good cs and xp, and then im usually coming out of lane behind and struggle to play from behind as well
i mean this is not a lane strength diff, this is a enemy botlane has no idea what to do diff. If played properly, they should be able to take favorable trades against us and create an hp lead to apply pressure, but sure I'll show something like playing vs draven leona
@@xFSNSaber that would be great, yeah ig I mean when playing against an aggro lane that's actually playing aggro and your support just stands behind you and does nothing, I feel like these are the 1v2 lanes where I fall very far behind cause I basically just stand my ground and feed or completely sacrifice the lane
i dont know if its video worthy, but i find it hard to come back and grow lead if enemy jg or other lanes snowballs fast from a chaotic play. would i play the same as you do in the video, or safer to avoid ganks by focusing on vision more and freezing often? thanks
eg enemy mid is fed, you bait him to come bot and he gets nothing or dies, you have saved your midlaner
Thoughts on playing mid adc. I have adc hands but I am a better mid laner because I played it so long. Rn I'm in the top 9% (from porofessor) of cser with tristana but stuck in gold
when you push your wave under tower and back, they should push theirs under your tower too or just push the one that is under their tower and back?
"I'm literally like doing illegal stuff... in their face.." - Saber 🤷
Cait Jinx Ashe can I climb with my champions pool?
If your top side loses but you end implementing this strategy effectively and it comes down to team fighting does it come down to which adc team fights better (mechanics) or you want to keep building a 10cs/min advantage until you have an advantage over enemy adc?
does the wave advice also apply to midlaners who swap bot? Like in the mid game should they shove the bot wave all the way to the tier 2 turret? What if they are unsafe going that deep? Or are midlaners not supposed to maximize their income as much as adcs after laneswapping because its more dangerous?
If your champ is good at side laning you might be able to go into their half but be mindful where your opponents are. if you play a mage with no mobility you can just shove waves on your half/ near tower and then rotate
yes you still make 10cs a min as a midlaner unless you have something better to do (like guarantee kill on roam)
@@xFSNSaber do you have to shove until their tier 2 tower as a immobile mage?
It still doesn't convince me that the one who has the better supp wins the lane, in this case both supps were useless and created no pressure
I get the idea of 10 cs/min, but it's impossible a lot of the times
you feel like it's impossible because you play situations wrong and end up dying, if you play the situations correctly most of the time you can pick up waves even when your team is inting, and there are times where if you preserve hp and sums you can 1v2 the dive for example
Can you do a similar video but with a KILL THE ADC enemy comp? I’m sure even in gold you could carry games like that or at least show what to do right
I'm gonna try the dance while I play trade support. When I main adc and trade, I feel like my trades are very random, because I only trade based on number of minions. I can't tell if they will dodge or eat the shot because I am not looking at our minions hp
you should upload another that is strong lvl 1-3 and maintains their lead
What if you have a hard loosing matchup, in my understanding you can only pick long range adc‘s to outtrade in a 1 vs 2…
played a game while listening to this and i didnt have the most kd but holy i was strong
Bro you how do you do this with low range engage type adcs (kaisa, xayah, etc.)?
depending on what your support is and what they do you might have trouble even hitting the minions let alone poking and pressuring
I like the vid, it was very helpful
And what if your support is out of control and keeps using abilities on the wave?
You try to stop them with a ping or two, or just accept it and play around it
i wanna see a video similar to this when your team mates are down behind alot is it still possible to win? when i see a aphelios its a free win for the most part
I’m still trying to figure out the wave state of the jungler
This matters a lot when the mid laners trade 20kills back and forth
But what if im going to catch sidelane wave and my whole team just randonly engage and dying? I know its like not my problem but i lose too much lp with situations like this.
not your fault, as long as you're getting your xp and gold you will find a good fight later in the game that will allow you to carry
I play twitch and if I go against a double poke lane I feel like its impossible to accomplish the goals you talked about in the beginning of the video. Any advice? My experience is farming under tower and then being down in cs and some times being dove by the jungler or sometimes being 4 manned and that not counting the extreme poke you can take by the poke lane it self. What can I do as an adc to deal with this without having to depend on my support
you're guaranteed to go down in cs pretty much, but you don't have to be guaranteed to lose hp. Focus on preserving hp so that when a play comes (maybe sup finds engage/jg ganks/mid roams) you will be healthy enough to follow up and win.
That doesn't mean afk and forgo cs, it means pretend to go for cs and dodge their poke to give yourself breathing room
no hate this is a really informative video but how different are lanes where u dont have cait range
I don't know if this is a fair game. None of your solo laners or jungle ran it down which is usually how most games are lost in this elo, usually from a result. You could've probably been even with Aphelios and you would still win this game just because your team was actually not soft-griefing it and dying on cooldown. I love this series and format tho, would love to see plat and diamond games as well where the enemies generally know better about the matchup and how to play their lane. Aphelios and Soraka barely contested you on the wave at any point, and whenever they did they just ended up dying from not having any river vision, which is something you probably wouldn't see in higher elos, even tho it probably happens everywhere in all honesty, just to a lesser extent.