2023 BMW X7 xDrive40i: The New BMW X7 Is A Complete Shock To Mercedes!

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  • @peetfj
    @peetfj ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks for the review. After seeing this I will definetly be keeping our 2021 X7.

  • @mohammedshaik9647
    @mohammedshaik9647 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I've actually grown into liking the split headlights. It compliments the large imposing look bmw was going for

    • @impaul41
      @impaul41 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not at all

    • @2kloaf
      @2kloaf ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah same

    • @rajasingh5490
      @rajasingh5490 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here Mo

    • @bart4543
      @bart4543 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like it on the suv not on the bew 7 series sedan

    • @wanleaf
      @wanleaf ปีที่แล้ว

      it set parts from the previous models

  • @-georgeleto8132
    @-georgeleto8132 ปีที่แล้ว

    Look amazing 😻 thank you for description

  • @Kunani19
    @Kunani19 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    BMW X7 is the way to go 🙌

  • @santiagodelrio8880
    @santiagodelrio8880 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The X7 has had remote start since it’s inception. My 2020 does remote start by clicking the lock button 3 times.

  • @TheSwaz2011
    @TheSwaz2011 ปีที่แล้ว

    What type of tires did they have on this x7? The 2022 22s only came in summer tires

  • @florinradu7838
    @florinradu7838 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    ....absolutely stunning amazing looking design 😍

  • @jazzyflorida3757
    @jazzyflorida3757 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review! How about the m60 version of the new x7?

  • @aj1554
    @aj1554 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any idea when the x5 is getting the same interior upgrade?

  • @Kprawl291986
    @Kprawl291986 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The front headlights design reminds of the Hyundai Santa Fe/Palisade.

  • @Aschoolbusandsimulatorfan2219
    @Aschoolbusandsimulatorfan2219 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This 23' BMW X7 SUV looks good in white.
    Great job with your content as always Ben.

    • @digit313
      @digit313 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is ugly, check your eyes...

  • @ernestvickers6079
    @ernestvickers6079 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good review’ Try to get your hands on a X7 Alpina! Trust me, you’ll know the difference!

  • @wirehot09
    @wirehot09 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My determination to buy has sky rocketed!

  • @yungwun5
    @yungwun5 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:35 so if you sit on it…it’s gunna be a nice experience 😂😂 great video !

  • @Dashcamfailz
    @Dashcamfailz ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the review. By any chance will be able to review the bmw x3 m40i?

  • @stevedoyel
    @stevedoyel ปีที่แล้ว +5

    They knocked it out of the park. Amazing vehicle.

  • @hellkitty1014
    @hellkitty1014 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I was skeptical of BMW going with the bi-level lighting up front, especially after seeing the new 7-Series. But due to the scale and frontal area of the larger X7, it works, at least on this white/black model. I also appreciate the interior updates, though that center console with black piano plastic and suede will look atrocious not too long after initial ownership.
    The BMW B58 is such an awesome engine and yes, better than their V8s(sans M-cars) in quality and reliability. Glad to see the power bump. And yes, an MB GLS would be more expensive and so ungainly in its looks.

    • @xAwesomeGamers
      @xAwesomeGamers ปีที่แล้ว

      Gls is way better in terms of looks and also it’s more luxury

    • @abayamangali
      @abayamangali ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xAwesomeGamers idk I’ve sat in the latest GLS and the interior quality doesn’t seem better. More cheaper plastics. Plus the BMW has 5 zone climate control and third row heated seats. So overall I think the X7 is more luxurious. Mercedes Benz interiors just aren’t the same lately and BMW has been ahead lately when it comes to interior quality.

  • @jazzyflorida3757
    @jazzyflorida3757 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great review! Can’t wait for the m60i version review….What do you think of the new option of 23 wheels on the x7? Do u think it would negatively affect the feel of the ride?

    • @WaywardAnalysis
      @WaywardAnalysis ปีที่แล้ว

      The 23" wheel will work fine as long as you don't drive more than 10K/year and only drive in perfect road in perfect condition; otherwise, it'll pop with maybe a broken axle too and hope you have a strong back because the ride will be harsher. But, it'll look great on your driveway to the NASCAR/ Racetrack wannabee crowd.

    • @jazzyflorida3757
      @jazzyflorida3757 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WaywardAnalysis did u drive it?

    • @Zero_316
      @Zero_316 ปีที่แล้ว

      V8 60 M. Yes please - Go for it. I got the 40i M sport which is incredible for a straight 6. However the V8 which pulls like a freight train is much better. Rims; the 23’s look fantastic. But it’s you live in DC like I do you’d may want to consider 22’s.

  • @claudioagmfilho
    @claudioagmfilho ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, Where is the iDrive pro the autopilot on this one? Sad, doesnt have it, or didn't come with, what a shame because on these these newer cars it is so good the car can almost pretty much drive itself and imagine you're coming back from a long drive, can have the car drive for you, for you kind of, on the way back home also must have the 360 camera, you know, so there are so many things that are missing on some cars these days. If I was to get into, I would definitely get the 360 camera and the iDrive pro, whatever it is called, so that the car can drive for yourself when tired, great cameras etc...

  • @Zero_316
    @Zero_316 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Very polarizing looks. It grows on you. I pre-ordered the X7 40 with the M sport package and dynamic handling. And up until it arrived I was certain this is a HORRIBLE idea. Boy it’s the best SUV I have ever had. Its very potent V6 loves to rev and is well matched to an 8 speed ZF automatic transmission. It’s uncannily quite and corners with more confidence than my 2022 Sclass 580 😮. My only regret is I should have gotten the V8 60M.

    • @PaulTC777
      @PaulTC777 ปีที่แล้ว

      🧢

    • @MysticalKO
      @MysticalKO ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PaulTC777 looking at his subscriptions and join date, I wouldn’t think he’s lying

    • @kzarandooz
      @kzarandooz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I drove both , you got the right one, 40i has a better ride quality!

    • @waseemNOOR-110
      @waseemNOOR-110 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@kzarandoozHow is 40d compared to 40i in tetms of driving performance,power & ride quality??I'm planning to buy one...

    • @waseemNOOR-110
      @waseemNOOR-110 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How is 40d compared to 40i in terms of driving performance,power & ride quality??I'm planning to buy one..

  • @dgvette1
    @dgvette1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ben, would you prefer an Escalade or this X7

  • @bailey.nt86
    @bailey.nt86 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This car has a secret "dog mode". If you set up the AC to precondition before you leave... the vehicle will keep the AC rolling, you can leave the vehicle and lock the car. The AC stays on for your pet. I've tested it up to 20min it could probably go more I haven't tried. Only brand out there besides tesla that can do this.

  • @ldgmms721
    @ldgmms721 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish that second row fold flat with the captain chair configuration. I love my x7 but this is the only thing that is very disappointing.

  • @NissanAltimaGuy
    @NissanAltimaGuy ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Bottom part of headlight looks like rogue top part looks like palisade

    • @BenHardyCars
      @BenHardyCars  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I can see that

    • @phannaga9981
      @phannaga9981 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are right...

    • @andyrakoto5374
      @andyrakoto5374 ปีที่แล้ว

      in person it looks better

    • @NissanAltimaGuy
      @NissanAltimaGuy ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andyrakoto5374 I saw one this morning oddly enough on a transport truck at bmw. It was nice

    • @EastWood2004
      @EastWood2004 ปีที่แล้ว

      Palisade offers better value for the money though.

  • @youtubecarspottersguide1
    @youtubecarspottersguide1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    nice .. wish there where more full size suv 's with out a 3rd row, for us who have no need or want a 3rd row but like the cargo space of a full size wagon

    • @0DWalker0
      @0DWalker0 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can just fold the 3rd row down and have extra cargo space lol

    • @youtubecarspottersguide1
      @youtubecarspottersguide1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@0DWalker0 yes, but wish there was a under floor secret storage area where the 3rd row seat was to hide things

    • @robertharrisonsr955
      @robertharrisonsr955 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just take 3rd row out or tell dealership too remove

    • @youtubecarspottersguide1
      @youtubecarspottersguide1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@robertharrisonsr955 yes good ideas , we are still shopping I like the new defender 130

  • @ChuongNguyen-up9fy
    @ChuongNguyen-up9fy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great review. Can’t wait for the bank to approve my mortgage so I can buy this car

  • @jdub_vdub
    @jdub_vdub ปีที่แล้ว

    What’s with the Hyundai Santa Fe headlights 😅

  • @anjansingh3093
    @anjansingh3093 ปีที่แล้ว

    is it reliable? can I trust it, going 3k miles road trip and coming back?

  • @yomomma123ishere
    @yomomma123ishere ปีที่แล้ว +5

    All the people saying it looks like a hyundai is funny, i have one in all black with m sport and people actually came up to me to complimented my x7 nobody confuses it with a hyundai for sure

    • @robertharrisonsr955
      @robertharrisonsr955 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      These people stupid hating do look like a Hyundai..Stop it very nice BMW X-7

    • @louisalonso1695
      @louisalonso1695 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same Experience with my black and black M sport 22" Wheels . A bunch Of BMW haters here.

    • @yomomma123ishere
      @yomomma123ishere ปีที่แล้ว

      Agree 100% more people turn heads lol then when I had my x5

    • @labronlabron
      @labronlabron ปีที่แล้ว

      I get a lot of thumbs up on my white x7

  • @chubulu9842
    @chubulu9842 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mercedes won’t be shocked by this. They respect it. They have a mature & healthy competition.

  • @Spademonkey
    @Spademonkey ปีที่แล้ว +5

    We have one in Brooklyn grey at our dealership, also same pricing at MSRP no markups, and man this X7 is such an improvement over the previous design. An amazing SUV that makes me excited for where BMW is headed into the future

  • @lex350us
    @lex350us ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The headlight design seem like Genesis

  • @Troy-fv9uq
    @Troy-fv9uq ปีที่แล้ว

    In 2022 the X7 sold more than the Mercedes GLS and Audi Q7. A lot of dealers these sell within a week of getting them. One of the most popular full size luxury SUV’s.

  • @floridadawg9857
    @floridadawg9857 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sharp !!!

  • @losequis7682
    @losequis7682 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you get rid of those hideous HIDEOUS arrows and x7 logo on passenger side dash??

  • @IdeaMusicKen
    @IdeaMusicKen ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hate the lights. First they kill the signature grill on some models. Now the signature lights.

  • @mannegar7650
    @mannegar7650 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I love almost all the new changes except the Split headlight
    Ruins the front fascia

  • @henrymagallon8578
    @henrymagallon8578 ปีที่แล้ว

    Coul you please consider slowing down your camera work when moving from one point to another? Nauseated at minute 4.

  • @NeoAndersonReloaded
    @NeoAndersonReloaded ปีที่แล้ว

    Tons of things to break

  • @yaweichen9773
    @yaweichen9773 ปีที่แล้ว

    The display UI looks like 10 years ago

  • @flapflapflap
    @flapflapflap ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Folks, equities are crashing, we are in the very early stages of a recession, rates are continuing to go up, CHIP SHORTAGE HAS BEEN RESOLVED, yet BMW continues to play with their clients and refuse discount to MSRP. Don’t let these car dealerships and manufacturers play you like that!

  • @Reko_89
    @Reko_89 ปีที่แล้ว

    Totally grew on me!

  • @timmach05
    @timmach05 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't want to drop 90k plus to be mistaken for a Hyundai. I don't get how a push button shifter is associated with a "performance" SUV.

  • @misterbeane
    @misterbeane ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I feel like over the last decade, every time they go to change the front end of any model they ask themselves "how can we make this look worse?" and then they just do it.

    • @digit313
      @digit313 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      10000%agreed!!

    • @NeoAndersonReloaded
      @NeoAndersonReloaded ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea

    • @jaychu3850
      @jaychu3850 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      But then it grows on you 😂

    • @This_is_Sparta83
      @This_is_Sparta83 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      But here you go watching a review on it. Funny how that works.

    • @deepseadweller687
      @deepseadweller687 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But be honest a year from now they will have everyone copying them !
      That's what's always happened.

  • @minipandora22
    @minipandora22 ปีที่แล้ว

    Serving Hyundai Palisade realness.... those headlights ...

  • @mrnotsocelever
    @mrnotsocelever ปีที่แล้ว

    New BMW X7 2023 or new RR Sport 2023? and why?

  • @samsharma9207
    @samsharma9207 ปีที่แล้ว

    Waiting patiently for my M60i to be built.

    • @BadmaashCo
      @BadmaashCo ปีที่แล้ว

      How long do you estimate the wait?

    • @samsharma9207
      @samsharma9207 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BadmaashCo I have a production date now. It'll be built 9/30 so hoping to pick up first week of October.

  • @HamzaKhan-uc5zo
    @HamzaKhan-uc5zo ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Negative things for 2023:
    Some people don’t like the new front end design
    Some people don’t like how the climate controls are integrated in the screen
    There is less ambient lighting
    The new front row makes it look a lot less “bmw like”
    There are new warning chimes I prefer the old

    • @jc51373
      @jc51373 ปีที่แล้ว

      How is there less ambient lighting?

    • @HamzaKhan-uc5zo
      @HamzaKhan-uc5zo ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Old x7 used to be like filled with ambient lighting for the front row and it looked awesome. There is less ambient lighting in the front row and I think throughout the cabin

    • @jc51373
      @jc51373 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HamzaKhan-uc5zo yep just watched some videos on it. Damnit BMW! I assume the 2nd and 3rd row are the same from the pictures I saw.

    • @fatalbert3633
      @fatalbert3633 ปีที่แล้ว

      Everyone not going to like it that is normal you can’t please everyone don’t matter what you do , personally I’m only interested in electric vehicles

  • @movietime5333
    @movietime5333 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    ahahaha, the new X7 looks like BMWs headlights turned into Chinese spotlights

  • @waihingchan6081
    @waihingchan6081 ปีที่แล้ว

    Headlights just like Toyota Vellfire

  • @sugershakify
    @sugershakify ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm really not liking this new flat dash with a big screen sitting on top of it look everyone is going to lately.

  • @arifabdullah7142
    @arifabdullah7142 ปีที่แล้ว

    It looks like a Facelift of the current model.

  • @csg6262
    @csg6262 ปีที่แล้ว

    With that split level light design, it looks like a Hyundai.

  • @gerritgeldenhuys2763
    @gerritgeldenhuys2763 ปีที่แล้ว

    Both BMW and Merc are competing for the honor of Fugly designs. Use to be a fan of both but honestly Cherry is building better looking cars these days

    • @IwinMahWay
      @IwinMahWay ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Set aside boomer

  • @barneyswiss8054
    @barneyswiss8054 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tell is, better than the Grand Cherokee L ?

    • @BenHardyCars
      @BenHardyCars  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It’s in a class above that

  • @phpn99
    @phpn99 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mercedes has nothing to worry about. BMW SUVs are heavy boxes that feel sluggish even with >400 HP motors.

  • @Maxwell1989
    @Maxwell1989 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should've have driving it more spiritually I wanted to see how fast it can go

  • @Jose_cab
    @Jose_cab ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Love the X7 and this is the SUV I would love to have for my family.

  • @TheDuskyhouse
    @TheDuskyhouse ปีที่แล้ว

    it looks like hyundai suv..

  • @vishnu2699
    @vishnu2699 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Only reason why I got a BMW is because Mercedes marked up the price by 20k. Hard pass. Went to BMW and Telsa.

    • @marge9581
      @marge9581 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup. And now that I have the 2023 BMW x7 I love it..also-got the Lexus LC 500 to replace my fav. SL450-sorry MB And I love the LC too.

  • @Zethuzzz
    @Zethuzzz ปีที่แล้ว

    As long as BMW has that hideous grill, Mercedes has nothing to worry about 😅

  • @chyira8077
    @chyira8077 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not feeling the new MUSTACHE look!

  • @selvinjeba
    @selvinjeba ปีที่แล้ว

    Everyone had their own opinion and I think personally this new design looks good on the x7 the new 7 seres the new 4 series or the m3 but on the ix…..it looks absolutely hideous

  • @afzalshaikh2128
    @afzalshaikh2128 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude you have to pan camera slowly. The jerkiness of the movement is making me dizzy

  • @wesellanybiz
    @wesellanybiz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video and review but the car itself is horrible looking, the split front lights are from copied from Citroen C4 2014 model!! 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @marklivos
    @marklivos ปีที่แล้ว

    Those headlights is a big NO

  • @snipemagazine1286
    @snipemagazine1286 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That dashboard is LAZY

  • @rp1268
    @rp1268 ปีที่แล้ว

    So don’t get alpine white

  • @allanmedrano3278
    @allanmedrano3278 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Jeezus! What the F!@# are the BMW designers doing⁉️
    Was there a contest oh how ugly they can design the new 2023 models⁉️
    I’m currently leasing a 2022 BMW 750i X-Drive and I friggin LOVE IT! Absolutely gorgeous and a bad ass design.
    And sadly…I’m NOT going to renew a new lease with BMW I’m going to have to upgrade to something where they know how to do elegant design and real buttons
    This is a hideous vehicle..and so is the new 7 and so is the new M3 and M4
    Kudos to the M5 that is an amazing design.
    I’m so disappointed…We’ve had four Bimmers and this will be my last until they learn that most of us don’t want to drive ugly cars with touch screen nonsense in the interiors

    • @bojiguy2005
      @bojiguy2005 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here. Front end is absolutely disgusting... time for a GLS 63

    • @beigefox6579
      @beigefox6579 ปีที่แล้ว

      I saw one on the streets and it looks gorgeous in person. I don't know what you guys are talking about. Well, everyone has their opinion...

  • @as5950
    @as5950 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol bro you BMW fan boys are halarious. To me the GLS580 shits on this…bigger, faster and nicer all around...not to mention there’s a GLS63 if you want the speed. And you get the Benz reliability. Coming from a owner of a 16 GLS550. 90k miles. Nice review. But trust me. Mercedes has nothing to worry about lol

  • @upperechelon25
    @upperechelon25 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This looks like a Hyundai/Kia 😂😂😂😂

  • @timpoortinga8184
    @timpoortinga8184 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They knocked it out of the park for being ugly!!

  • @inchlorIentztJiIu
    @inchlorIentztJiIu ปีที่แล้ว

    I don’t know what BMW is thinking these days🤷‍♂️ the front is hideous😔

  • @ahz3267
    @ahz3267 ปีที่แล้ว

    Split light is absolute garbage.

  • @digit313
    @digit313 ปีที่แล้ว

    Uuuuuuuuuugggllyyyyyy as hell!!!!!!!!!!

  • @henryreinhard6714
    @henryreinhard6714 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pls coming down! Nobody shocked Mercedes Benz! 🙄😅

  • @Jfff-ugfgh
    @Jfff-ugfgh ปีที่แล้ว

    BMW is for fashion girl

  • @naashuman5503
    @naashuman5503 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It's fugly

  • @oMaxcno
    @oMaxcno ปีที่แล้ว

    1:57 the front face looked terrible. BMW used to have nice balanced design, this new design looks so terrible so the new MB S class, the front face so ugly.

  • @BLACKNOY0979
    @BLACKNOY0979 ปีที่แล้ว

    For that price, just get a an American SUV.

  • @pritbrar7180
    @pritbrar7180 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bmw gone rogue

  • @romeolopez757
    @romeolopez757 ปีที่แล้ว

    I felt dizzy how you talk fast 😂😂😂😂….im supposed to subscribe sorry man!…

  • @earningmyway5021
    @earningmyway5021 ปีที่แล้ว

    The X7 is complete TRASH. My sister paid $90k for a brand new 2023 x7. In less than a month the car completely dies while driving. BMW kept it for 2 weeks to fix the transmission. After two weeks they said that the car cant be fixed. Turns out their is a forum of other buyers who are having the same isdues

  • @NewtonNuggets
    @NewtonNuggets ปีที่แล้ว

    Mercedes: 🥱

  • @seatlezz6301
    @seatlezz6301 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't like this design, it's not as luxurious as a European car but like a Korean car design

  • @shvkordouni
    @shvkordouni ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The front end is the ugliest beemer I’ve seen. I can’t believe how ugly this thing is. The remainder of the car looks very nice, I just can’t stand the front end. Awful

  • @inxs5103
    @inxs5103 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hideous! 😂😅

  • @gnerd07
    @gnerd07 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The x7 does look better than the 7 series in terms of the split headlights.
    However, it's still not a looker by any means.
    Enough to grow on you but not to blow you away.
    The line flow is non existent between the DRLs and the high beams. Lack of homogeneity = Lame design.
    Hyundai does it very well. They could learn a thing or two from them.

  • @farosislee83
    @farosislee83 ปีที่แล้ว

    the ugly front light...

  • @Matthew-qx6ui
    @Matthew-qx6ui ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Honestly X7 looks stupid. This trend with thin lights is annoying, and interior doesn't even remind me of BMW but mercedes. My opinion but I don't like it.

  • @areufkingkiddingme
    @areufkingkiddingme ปีที่แล้ว

    It looks like fu man chu

  • @gschnog
    @gschnog ปีที่แล้ว

    Nope

  • @ericchen9238
    @ericchen9238 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those lights are ugly

  • @johnnychen3632
    @johnnychen3632 ปีที่แล้ว

    NO to v6. NO

  • @km5937
    @km5937 ปีที่แล้ว

    That thing looks hideous. Looking more like Japanese luxury line.

  • @ashirthegoat2149
    @ashirthegoat2149 ปีที่แล้ว

    toyta is better

  • @thehappycamper25
    @thehappycamper25 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s Fugly… Yuck

  • @asajjad4542
    @asajjad4542 ปีที่แล้ว

    That front end is ugly af lol

  • @ccdanro
    @ccdanro ปีที่แล้ว

    It looked too good so they had to uglify it, it's fashionably and politically correct these days!

  • @romairoblackstock5100
    @romairoblackstock5100 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That thing is hideous ...yuck