Why We Prefer Mossberg Pump Shotguns Over Remington 870s (500, 590, & 590A1 Retrospective; 2020)
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- Recently with all of the interest in defensive shotguns, some people have asked us how we feel about Mossbergs and Remingtons? So wanting to get back out to the range with my M590A1 anyway, in this video, we just chat a bit about my pump shotguns and why I have the ones that I do.
Featured 12 gauges include a 500 Retrograde with heatshield, 590 Shockwave with metal parts, & M590A1 with heatshield & custom furniture. Also for comparison, a Remington 870 Wingmaster.
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Lol love the army of darkness reference.
The armory on my ship has a bunch of old 500’s. After years of questionable maintenance by sailors the safety has a tendency to slide back into the safe position under recoil. Very annoying to thumb the safety after every shot. That being said, my personal 590 has never had a single issue.
Wow thats interesting! I wonder if new springs or those little bearings would help with that?
Also heard about this problem whis old Mos, but my two Mos (599A1 and 500) are ok.
I love my 590.
Heat shield, Bayonet lug, 8+1 cap!
Love mine also carried it on Security detail for years
I own a vintage 870 wingmaster, and an express. They both gather dust because of how much more I prefer my mossbergs. I'd rather take my maverick 88 out any day. Here's why.
1. Cheaper parts
2. Easier to work on
3. Can be fixed in field
Anyone who has broke the ejector on the Remingtons will know my pain... mossberg design >>>> Remington. That's why the marines chose it over Remington or Winchester...
Anyone who actually hunts knows better than that.
Mossberg 500 was the first shotgun I bought on my own 22 years ago, still love the Mossbergs. I'd like to try one of those shockwaves.
The shockwaves are a lot of fun....except with 3" Magnum....not so much fun there hehe
Shockwaves are fucking badass
The lifter being up when the action is closed is key.
I've been hunting with the same 500 I've had from 12 years old,im now 52 with the same 500.Love it
The very first gun I ever bought was a Mossberg 500 12 gauge and have been a fan ever since. When I worked in gun sales I had to clean the rust off the Remington 870's every morning lol.
My first repeater shotgun was a Mossy 500, It was crap, never fed right would only feed 2.75" shells and only if you cycled the action violently. The safety broke off 3 times. You might have to knock the rust off a Remington but they work.
I used to own the Mossberg 590A1 and Remington 870 Express. They both have their respective pros and cons. The Mossberg reeks of feeling cheap, clunky, and crude. The Remington though it feels more solid, has plenty of sharp edges. I also had to polish the chamber and upgrade the extractor. On the Mossberg, the magazine spring is weak as it came out of the box, I had to buy a stronger Wolff brand. I also had to polish several parts. Push comes to shove, I favor the Remington 870 more, though not by much. This is just from one man's perspective. Buy what you prefer.
I have a 870 Police model. It's more expensive but uses better parts and is put together better.
I became a naturalized citizen in 2012. Shortly after, my father in law got me a Mossenberg 500 28" and i love it. I've fondled a few Remmies and I see that they are smoother and not as rattly but I'm not comfortable committing to one. I also have a 500 Tactical Persuader (Heat shield, 8 shot and Ghost ring sights) that serves as my bedside shotty. I think after watching this, I'll be sticking with my Mossenbergs and after watching that video you did on the Benelli SuperNova Tactical LE (holy shit i want that shotgun so bad), i will add one of those too!! great video!!
I have a mossberg 590. And a 1980 era 870. And a winchester 1897 trench gun.
I like them all and have no preference. They are all good and shoot well.
What do you think of the Mossberg Maverick? I'm very happy with mine.
Great shotgun
Best shotgun for the dollar - but due to design choices, horrible candidate for conversion to a SBS
You're entitled to your opinion but the Remington 870 is a superior shotgun. I could write a book on this subject but I don't have the time right now to type a detailed report. I'm an armorer and I'm former law enforcement. Over the years I have been to countless law enforcement departments/agencies, security agencies, and armored truck companies, and they all used Remington shotguns. Even the army used Remington shotguns and there are many reasons why.
Agreed, always interested in the opinions of others. I will point out that gov'ts, police departments, and the military do not always buy the best. Sometimes they buy the cheapest or what's traditional.
@@misha5670 The main reason why the went to 9mm is that its cheaper. And easier to shot for people with less training.
I prefer Rems. Id like to try a Benelli pump tho. Love my Benelli semis
I acknowledge that the Mossberg is superior but I always roll with Remington 870s. I live somewhat close to the Remington plant in Ilion and use a 870 at my place of employment. I have purchased some Remington compact stocks for my 870s and it has made them much more pleasant to shoot.
870 is made from sturdier materials and imo feels a little smoother in my hands so I went with that. However the 590 is still a solid choice, especially being cheaper. If you don't mind the difference in feel between holding the two shotguns, I'd pick the Mossberg.
The juxtaposition between the way you said the intro and the way you said boom stick was hilarious.
My first long gun was a Mossberg maverick 88, never had a single problem with hundreds of rounds of all shot.
I have a 590 and an 88. Still love my 88 too
@@davidedging4930 this comment is funny timing. I was actually just looking at buying the 20 gauge version a few days ago
Both have a place in my heart.
But the ithaca 37 and model 12 feel neglected now
You are a lot younger than me. My first Mossberg was the 500ATP with the bayonet lug and long tube mag I traded for in 1986. Good shotgun. I always wanted a Mossberg Jungle Gun semiauto so traded it when the tactical 930 came out. Not the same as the Jungle Gun, but I modded it pretty close.
Almost got an ATP a few years ago as my first self purchased gun $200
Some other lucky bastard got it before me
The safety is in the right place
I resemble your opening statement and proud of it !!!
The fact that you dropped an Army of Darkness quote at the beginning of the video makes me love your channel even more🤘❤ great stuff guys
Just trying to have fun during such times, cheers.
@@misha5670 Bully!
Appreciate the video! Funny intro and love the easy manner of your videos
I’ve a wicked bout of the diarrhea and this moving picture film produces in my stolen heart much solace and pleasure!!!
Stupid of me but I missed the sling attachment on the bayonet lug before seeing this video. Thanks for yet more education.
I own both a 870 tactical (express model prior to Remington going under) and a 590A1 and about the only thing the 870 has over the 590 IMO is ease of reassembly. Not the the 590 requires a smith the take apart and clean or anything but it's just a bit more simple with the 870. Aside from that, the 590 wins in terms of function and reliability IMO. The QC is better on the 590 vs my 870. I've had to replace the cheap MIM extractor on my 870 to correct the failure to extract issues and the barrel on it looks like it was bored with a dull butter knife. The barrel on my 590 is very smooth and polished and the extractors are renowned for their reliability. Spent shells literally project from the 590 whereas they sort of just tumble out of the 870. Now, maybe the old police issue Wingmaster 870s are a different story but that's not what Remington was making the last several years. Hopefully the new owners of Remington under the name RemArms are making things better.
@roberttaylor1426 Yeah, a lot of my limited gun assembly and simple fix knowledge has come from helpful YT vids.
I literally know near nothing about guns and I bought the 590a1 because it's so easy to completely break down and clean. I got rid of my first shotgun because I couldn't get it back together.
@@BryceGarling what was your first shotgun that was difficult to reassemble?
@@1977Yakko Rock Island Armory 20 gauge. The firing mechanism got jammed.
After carrying a 870 in my squad car for over 4 years I trust it fully. It doesn’t rattle so when having to run with it I can stay quiet. It’s a tank. I do think the mossberg is better with sights and looks but the 870 is gtg. There’s a reason the vast majority of le agencies issue it. And cops use shotguns way more often in combat than the military
Had both, i prefer mossberg as well! Really cant go wrong with a pump 12 ga XD love what you do man thanks for sharing!
Im not crazy about where the safety is located on the mossberg. Thanks for sharing brother.
If the shotgun has a pistol grip? i totally agree. If you are running that, then the Remington's placement does make more sense.
Haha. I love the beginning.
great content misha, keep up the great work. love all your videos, every one is a treat!
I'd take an 870 over a box of 500's
Lol comments of one who follows blindly
I have a Remington 870 Wingmaster made in 1959. The original owner bought it in 1960 and passed away in 2013 or '14, whereupon I bought it from his estate, making me its second owner in its 61 year existence. I got back into 3-Gun competition 13 months ago and didn't feel like spending money on a semi-auto shotgun. Since this is my only 12 gauge shotgun, it's what I use, even though my score might be better with the auto. I've been curious about the 590A1 and am considering picking one up to compare and contrast. My fear is that I'll like it more than my 870 and then I won't shoot the old girl anymore! First world problems...
I own both but between the two I choose Benelli, j/k although I do like Benelli's better than either. I'm in the Mossberg camp because of the ergonomics you mentioned. Safety, slide release and the big one... the shell lifter. I catch my finger every time I load a 12ga 870. Probably why the only 870 I own is a 20ga tactical model. Doesn't rip all the skin off my thumb like the 12ga one does.
You've seen all of our Benelli videos, right? hehe But wanted to do a video on guns most folks can afford. Benellis are extremely fine machines but priced out of range for a lot of people these days.
@@misha5670 Oh yeah, most of the Benelli line is out of reach for a lot of folks but the Nova is in the same ballpark as some of the 870 and 590 models. I had a Nova that was stolen years ago. Really liked it, the feature that keeps the lifter up out of the way when loading was pretty slick, and although I never used it the button to open the action without picking up a round from the tube was cool too. Maybe I'll track down a Nova LE model eventually as a replacement. Also Misha I've emailed a few times about the PE90 to the OBA gmail address but haven't gotten a reply, thanks!
Idk man. I’m gonna keep my police magnum
Crazy in the land of the free owning a 14 inch shotgun is not legal without a tax stamp. But in Canada you can buy them all day long.
Yeah...but there are some really big 'buts' to owning guns in Canada.
When my wife and I worked at a ranch resort, we used to take guests out skeet shooting with Mossbergs and Remingtons, and I am Mossberg all the way. As a lefty, both the safety and the slide release are much easier to manipulate. Plus the Remingtons would jam up nearly every other time we took them out. Never had a problem with the Mossbergs. And as for any time anyone starts talking crap about the alloy receiver, I just respond with, “So you must think a Benelli is bad too, right?”
Mishaco, Man after my own tastes. Just got my AES-10b RPK today. FREEDOM!
Have a 590a1 with ghost rings I love it
A local place has the 590 retrograde with heat shield for under 500, very tempting. Been looking for the 590a1 retro but they are rare it seems. Another great video, thank you.
I know this isn't video related Misha but what's your thoughts on the unissued romanians pm-63 parts kits from centerfire systems I was thinking selling my amd-65 to do another parts kit project but dont know what kits are best nowadays.
If we're thinking of the same kits, those are new production, virgin kits. Honestly? Just get a WASR10. Same parts and you get the original barrel and a good receiver.
I share your opinion. The ejector is also user serviceable on the 500 series, unlike the 870 being riveted. I like the fact that the reciever is aluminum, because it's one less part to rust. The action release is also properly placed as you said. To me it simply the better tool for a better price. Keep up the good content!
Why not both? Edit: pre Freedom Group, of course
Have you checked out the Remington 870DM? It's cool!
@Mishaco
Mossberg is WAY better than Remington, let me explain myself.
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The first firearm I purchased was a Winchester 1300 Defender, back in 1992. Sold it, got an 870PM. Sold that, and some time later I bought my first Mossberg; which I still have.
I prefer Mosseberg over Remington for the following reasons.
(5, 4, 3, were covered in video, I did not hear 2 or 1)
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#5.) The action release.
On the Mossberg, I can hit it without breaking my grip on the stock The Remi is far forward of the trigger guard.
#4.) No loading gate.
The Mossberg does not have a loading gate. I have gorilla-mits, and always get pinched when loading a Remington. (side note: Not an issue with the Win-1300D)
#3.) The safety.
On the Mossberg, I can manipulate it with my thumb if I'm shooting right or left handed.
#2.) The number of extractor(s)
The Mossberg had dual extractors, the Remi's only have one. I had the extractor, in my 870MP, break and I was left with a very expensive club.
#1) FATAL FLAW with the Remington !!!
IF you break the ejector in your Remi, which I have seen first hand, IT IS NOT FIELD REPLACEABLE. (you are F-ed!!!)
In the Mossberg, you replace the ejector by removing a sloted-head screw, from inside the receiver.
In the Remington, the ejector is held in place by a blind screw. You'll have to...
--- drill out the old ejector screw
--- replace the ejector
--- cut-off the head of the new screw
--- grind it flush with the receiver
--- refinish that side of the receiver
5 through 3 are design differences between Mossberg and Remington, but 2 and 1 are design "flaws" in the Remington.
I think It's a personal preference. I LOVE my 870, got three of them. I also have one 590a1, great gun as well.
@@tedjob21
Very true. "To each, their own."
The world would be so boring if we all liked the same thing.
It gives me chills just thinking about it.
@@KingdomChristian
Not the extractors... the ejector.
The extractor is easy enough to fix, but the ejector... that's a different story.
500, 590a1, if you going to by a 590 by the 590a1, spend the extra 200 or 150 it worth it, metal trigger guard metal safety, heavy barrel
Bought a 590sp back in the day and unfortunately it doesn't have the metal safety, trigger and guard.
590retro is under 500 here. The 590a1 is nowhere but for 1100 on GB.
The pricing on these has gotten costly. The 590A1 in retrograde(wood furniture) is bringing over $1000 on gunbroker right now. Simple supply and demand. No supply, lots of demand. Not intended for it, but we've had a good time shooting clays with the 590A1.
Mossberg is a better shotgun, but Remington is a nicer shotgun.
I own an M590A1 with the speed feed stock. Love the shotgun, hate the stock.
I sold my 590a1 when I was 20. And was considering buying a Remington next time I want a 12g. Maybe I’ll just get that retro grade
I bet you regret selling that 590a1 lol
@@stanleesomanly9585 my only regret in my entire life
I’m team mossberg too
Smart man
I like the 500 and 590 better for a toss around, truck gun, a lil less nice to my mossbergs than my 870's. I think topping off and port loading is a lil friendlier than with the 870 but anesthetically and in general i like the 870's better. Superior in my opinion. The 500/590 is just a lighter and handier knock around gun and they feel janky and are reliable as the day is long.
The 870 and especially the 870 wingmaster has a smooth as glass action and are beautiful, but mossbergs have a place in my set up.
Hi. I have a Mossberg 590 SP persuader with the ghost ring a front post sight, (like yours on the video). I have a hard time getting a heat shield for it. Can you help? Thanks
Where did you find the metal trigger guard?
I like how you can buy the Shockwave with the laser on it. It goes from range toy to serious defense weapon.
Always preferred Mossbergs and Winchester 97s over the 870. Not really sure why people love the 870 so much. It's not that great
Overwatch old Wingmasters are great, far different from the current stuff
Misha --
would it be legal to have a "hilt"
for the shockwave (like an inverted
wraparound ski pole grip) giving added
comfort/bracing for the thumb web
and middle finger?
David Chiu i like how you think.
Legally I believe so. It comes down to your local gun laws of your state/country. What your describing is essentially a molded pistol grip. By definition the shockwave not being a rifle stock has a pistol grip. So if you can have a molded grip in your region sure. I'm not a legal expert but I havent seen many laws in the lower 48 starting against it. Check your local law on molded grips first. On the topic I never got the bans on thumbhole stocks. It's just weird.
Giggle intro 👍
I'd go with a Remington. New ejector, polished chamber, maybe changed ejector if I'd choose to re-coate the whole gun. Price would be equivalent to what the gun costed at the time when it was top notch. Better gun
(edit)There's a reason Mossbergs are not used for high volume shooting like skeet and trap.
@Oscar Jay All gun manufactorers today are cutting costs - unless you want to buy a 1300$ gun. And even there it's cost cutting that is primo goal. Mossberg have had serious QC probs too.
I honestly don't know how the real new ones are (after 2012). But I'd be as a minimum, changing the extractor to a non-MIM(max 20$) and polishing the chamber and chamber edges (0$) - look it up here on YT so you don't butcher the gun.
It seems the material of the reciever is the same as before, so the heart of the gun is sound.
Look at it this way. In the 50s the gun costed 70$, Time that with 10 and you'll see what the gun realisticly would cost today.
That gives you plenty room for making a fine gun yourself - or buying an 870police from the start.
I'd go with the Remington plus add-ons
But that's just my Tuppence Worth.
Tell that to Jerry M. He shoots more than anybody and he runs a mossberg.
Gun Safety out the window? I hate when people do this, teaching the next generation bad habits.
Always treat a gun as if it’s loaded and capable of fire. This trains your muscle memory. When you put your hand infront of the muzzle a couple times in a row to forgot, you are retraining that muscl memory
870s have far more actual combat use. I’ve always been issued an 870 and they always work
Can you cite your sources? Far as I can tell the Mossberg 590 is the most issued out of all the shotguns in the Military.
@@paddypibblet846 you’re forgetting law enforcement uses
I had an 870, it was a good gun but I hated the location of the slide release
Can’t get much better for any type of duty use shotgun than a Mossberg 590A1
I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass...
and i’m all out of bubblegum.
Mossberg is the best for the price.
Farm Ninja you can’t go wrong with Mossberg.
Well you can, its called "Mavrick" hehe
Misha I have both the 500 and the Maverick. Both are awesome in my experience
Jones not sure what Misha is referring to as my Maverick feels exactly like my Mossberg respective of the different parts like the push button safety and the basic forend. The action, trigger, and recoil all feel the same. Yeah the finish is a smidge worse, but that's really it on my examples. Both have 1k ish rounds through them and having both I'd be fine if I only had one of either.
trunkmonkey56 They’re good to go. I’ve shot the 7+1 security model.
Man. That Speed Feed stock is fast.
that is what I was thinking.. Andddd that's why you don't see "speed feed stocks" much.
Shop smart, shop S mart. 😂
Hi Misha, you forgot the Mav 88? What do you think about the Moss Mav 88?
Didn't forget, but never have owned one. So it really wouldn't be honest of me to give an opinion.
What is length of pull on your retro grade?
Tell me if I'm wrong, bur the retro has the corncob slide, but early Mossbergs did not v
do you own any winchester model twelves
Yes actually
Can you do a review on the Iron Horse / Blackwater Sentry 12 magazine-fed pump shotgun?
Two action bars ftw. Must take queue from pullrack Harrell
Yep, and Mossbergs have 2 action bars. Also 2 extractors and 2 of other things I am sure too.....screws? pins? springs? hehe
Im 6'3 stocks fine for me
How do I go about getting a 590 A1 trigger?
Mossberg all day long
I just have my old Ithaca NID 20 gauge double and some buckshot loads for that and I figure that is good enough for around the house.
Any thoughts on the Remington Tac-13 V3. Semi auto "shockwave" but gawd is it too pricey.
Sure I have thoughts but really its a purely commercial grade gun, and just not anything like a service weapon.
Your opinion on the Benelli Nova tactical?
Weve done a couple videos on the Nova Tactical, as well as the Supernova-LE.
Shockwave I feel is pretty much useless unless you could put a normal stock on it then that would be bitching
You can get braces for them.
Why no mention or video of the ATP?
Because this is about the Mossbergs I own.
Mossberg for the win.
14 in length of pull on rifles and shotguns is crazy too long unless you’re 6ft 2in baseball players arm length.
You intrigued me... you are blind.... but you HAD to have ghost ring sights.... good video. You handle a mossberg like a damn boss. You dont let it move you. Hell yes
(Not making fun) whats a link to your gunbroker
I enjoyed the vide. but don't think that I can agree with all the comets and opinions. I can tell you being a long lifetime duck hunter in the mud and muck of south Louisiana, if a professional duck guide is in the blind and he is using a pump shotgun, 9 out of 10 ten times he is using a Rem. 870. If you were to ask him what his next shotgun would be, his reply most often is, " If I ever ware this gun out, I will buy another 870" END of STORY. I am an auto man myself. Rem. 1100 was my first and most reliable shotgun. I now shoot a Browning Gold. My dream duck gun would be a Benelli SBE.
Only mossberg 500 i ever had jammed up constantly and the stock always came loose. What a piece of crap it was. 870 or 1100 the only way to go. Junkberg 😂 keep em misha
I've owned plenty of both and the only shotgun to ever physically lock up on me and force me to slam the buttstock on the ground for 10 minutes straight to get the shell out was a mossberg. I'll stick with remington lol
Fun fact for you, the Mossberg 500 is loosely based on the Remington model 31. 😉
fun fact ALL pump shotguns are loosely based on Winchester model 1897.. 😉
@@inthego In my humble opinion the 1897 Winchester is the most awesome looking shotgun ever made. Especially in the trench configuration with a 1907 GI sling. 👍
@@RickNethery I concur. Wish I owned one.
I prefer the mossberg, l have 3 mossberg shotguns all good.
Gotta speed it up. 22 minute video should have been 10 minutes. I stopped watching because it dragged on and on and on.
Preach!
Don't forget the Winchester 1300
Why? Winchester did hehe
Love your content...Keep it up.
I WOULD TAKE AN OLD WINGMASTER OVER ANY MOSSBERG ANY DAY :p
Owned both, but ditched the Mossy and kept my 870. Smoother, better built.
A 590A1 with no malfunctions! That's why the military adopted it. I also have a 590A1 without the ghost ring sight and forearm strap, maybe because I purchased it in October of 1997. Also 2ea. 500 Persuaders, one with an 18.5 in. barrel and one with a 20 in. barrel, and a Shockwave. I have not fired the Shockwave yet but the rest are super reliable. I also have a TAC-14 which I have never fired. I think the Mossbergs are superior to the Remingtons. Just my opinion. Thanks for another great informative video.
Personally I prefer autoloaders, the Remington 1100 is my favorite firearm. Oh and one more thing "Good... bad... I'm the guy with the gun"
All Tactical/defensive shotguns should be Mossbergs, all Mossbergs should be 590s and all 590s should be 12 Ga. lol!
Who came here to just talk shit about remington?
OWN BOTH LIKE MY MOSSBERG LOVE MY 870S