After loads of research, this is my fix of the seat post creaking issue that I've had with my Canyon. Many thanks for the comments and suggestions from the previous videos.
Basically Canyon recommends exactly this process in their "How to service the seat post", but they are not doing a very good job in their video to explain the process thoroughly and the manual isn't explaining it very well either. The maintenance around this issue is way above what a consumer generally expects and is able to do on their own. In my opinion the creaking occurs when there is too much play involved, which is exaggereted by heavy riders and high seating positions (more force). So the goal is to eliminate the play in and around the clamping area, which is done via the carbon paste (increases friction, reduces movement). But the process of getting the paste at the correct spot with the toothbrush without getting it all over isn't trivial. The grease around the sleave accomplishes to weather tighten the seal, but I don't think it helps with the creaking issue, it's more about increasing the lifespan of the seal and plastic. The design is bad because they are just using one screw instead of two to clamp (same with the steering tube), which just from an engineering standpoint will make it harder for the seat post to stay firmly in place. There is no way that 5Nm is enough force to clamp the seatpost without carbon gripper. Now they are using the sleave + carbon gripper from the factory, but it's just not a permanent solution, since due to weather etc. the gripper paste will deteriorate. Also it heavily discourages changing seat positions and removing the seatpost to transport the bike in your car, which is terrible for the general consumer. I'm ashamed that "German engineering" resulted in a design like this. I'm not sure how a design like this made it all the way into production, but I can see why: it looks GREAT in CAD, because the design is very lean/leightweight/aero, just all the buzzwords from the last few years. I bought this bike 2 months ago and would return it if I could, because I'm 100% sure that it will always be a "problem bike" due to untested proprietary designs like the seatpost and steerer. I also don't understand how the bike has 4.5/5 stars in reviews on the german shop, because everyone has these problems eventually, it should have reviews around 3/5 stars at max. I want to write a detailed review about all the issues this bike has, because people that buy it should know before what they are getting themselves into. I would not recommend this bike to anyone that does not have a firm background in repairing and servicing bikes, because you will be left on your own.
I agree with you on all points and thanks for commenting. I feel like Canyon videos are difficult to understand because they don't explain the process. I made this one to show others and explain the thoughts behind it.
Thank you. I'm a tall and heavy rider at almost 90kg and not a very good mechanic. I can change a chain, brakes and some screws and service my gears, but not a skilled mechanic. I don't think I'll buy it. I don't understand Canyon's approach. The support told me there is still a problem and they are working on fixing the seat post, still advise me to buy the bike lol. Tho it's a very beautiful bike.
I had the creaking problem too. Canyon sent me 2 spare bikes but always the same problem later I heard that many people fixed the problem with electrical tape. But I sent both bikes back because I don't see that Canyon can't fix the problem and we as customers look stupid. Now I ride a Cervelo S 5 that doesn't make any noise.
Hi Paul. Yours was one of the most comprehensive videos on youtube for diagnosing the seatpost creak issue that I too was experiencing on my Aeroad CFR. I tried everything recommended here and on forums like Weight Weenies and nothing resolved it. After a lengthy period of diagnostics and testing, cursing and lateral thought I finally discovered the issue with my bike and wanted to note in here in case it proves useful for others. The issue for me was the plastic insert that slides into the frame (that the seatpost slides into) - this insert had not been glued sufficiently at the factory and accordingly was moving just a little to the left and right and it was this movement that was causing my creak on every pedal stroke as my body weight shifted even slightly as I pedaled. I checked with Canyon and they said they would organise to ship the bike back to them to fix. But I didn’t want to be without the bike for up to 2 weeks. So I went to my local hardware store and bought a tube of 2-part epoxy specifically made for plastics. The brand I chose was Loctite and should be available worldwide. I squeezed the plastic insert as much as I could to create a gap between it and the frame and then carefully poured some of the epoxy into the gap and then clamped it overnight. I then installed the seatpost the next day and I have not had a single creak or sound since then and it has been over 3 weeks of riding over rough roads, smooth roads, traintracks etc. Hope this information helps others in the same predicament. Thank you
I saw your previous video on the seat post creak. I took my Pinerello F5 with the same exact issue. I contacted Pinerello And they told me to take it to the place I purchased it so they can diagnose. they also made it clear that if you just purchased your bike, and you do damage do it trying to fix it on your own it will void the lifetime frame warranty. so forewarning to those of you with a new carbon fibre bike. So, I took it in, He removed all the paste, reset the seat post in place, and viola! It works perfect without creaking! I guess I was a fortunate one.
Hey dude！Your experience saved my Pinarello Grevil F! My seatpost creaking made me crazy and I tried every grease and paste on it but did not work! Until I read your coment and tried to remove all the paste and even grease, and it works!!!! Thanks!!!!
Well done !!! Thanks for this very detailed video. I have a 4 month old Aeroroad CFR and like it very much and no issues with seat post so far. I will pull the post and redo the install with you procedure, just to be on the safe side.
Paul, Thanks for Video. Im owner of aeroad cf SLX from 4 days and i was very frustrated of this noise. Today after my training i made Your procedure and this noise gone. Thank You! You should get pay from canyon!
Hello fellow CFR fans. My first Canyon, I waited over a year for my first carbon bike. The creaking started on the 5th ride. Thankyou so much Paul for the detail. I have a Canyon friend where I live, thankfully, he knows this bike type inside out. It’s fixed now but I agree with so many others here commenting we should not pay this and have to self repair. It’s a military operation! Thankfully it is flying again now. Hope for no future problems
I have my canyon for 2 months, at the beginning I have put a lot of my one carbon pasta (from BBB ) on the seatpost and inside the frame , so far I have no problem’s at all , the bike ride just perfect
Paul, I appreciate your detailed approach to the video. I’m a little surprised to see you agree with the comment about how awful the bike is when you’re clearly in love with it in the video. I love mine…she climbs, is comfortable, and holds 20+ in the flats. Only aero design that beats it is the S5. Your video helped me fix my creaks, so thank you. I’m 5’8” 170lbs riding an XS, so the seat is nearly maxed. In my opinion it is indeed the lube up top, not just the friction paste down low. Curious to know if you have a recommendation on travel bag/box for the aeroad…smallest possible. Cheers, and happing riding.
Thanks for this. Mine was still creaking after my LBS tried to fix it but I followed your guidance and (so far) it’s dead-quiet. Hoping it stays that way.
Hi Paul, great Video, but it is a joke by Canyon that an owner of such a bike will have so much work to fix a seatpost. Hope you have no noises in future. Problem is the design of this seatpost. Hope canyon will fix it on next aeroad.
Thanks Paul, this content has been great. I've subscribed specifically to follow your journey with this bike. Kudos on making TH-cam a more productive space! I ride a cervelo soloist with an aero seat tube from 2006 that was my main race bike. Not one creak ever. Seems like something that didn't need to be re engineered. Seat clamps work and there's no way the aero penalty is even worth mentioning.
One thought regarding this seatpost issue. This is a wide existing problem, a fail design. On TH-cam, there are fixes like one's on this video, others have used electric tape on front/rear of the seatpost. They may work for good or one needs to do fixes every now and then (I expect latter). And don't forget bendings on the seatpost from clamping mechanism. What every Aeroad owner with this seatpost problem should do, you should return the bike and get your money back. Because when you guys keep those bikes, for Canyon it means they can continue designing complicated bikes without outside testing (if they rode a few of those > 500 km outside, they'd very likely discovered the problem and went back to drawing board). Now Canyon thinks they can recommend fixes like bublegum on upcoming design fails and people go with that.
This is indeed the proper way, which I found out only after the damage was done.... My bike was delivered in full white grease even on top of the seatpost entrance and on the Frame!!! I inserted the seatpost, and because of the amount of white grease the clamp was to slippy so after the first ride already the seatpost moved down a number of times. When I got home I pulled everything out and the seatpost was already damaged... After a solid cleaning of the complete saddle post tube, and adding paste with a small brush all was fixed. Unfortunately still after 1000 KM I pulled out the seatpost again and noticed that there was some really bad damage of the painting of the seatpost.... I contacted Canyon and i'm currently in the process of getting a new seatpost installed but unfortunately the rubber sleeves are out of stock.. To be quite honest, the bike rides magnificent! but this seatpost design is not what I would expect from a German engineerd product. (There is nothing about German Quality in this product...) I've been riding my Specialized SL3 for almost 10 years and that seatpost still looks better then the one from Canyon after 1000KM's. I wonder how many seatpost I will need to replace in a timespan of 6 years for this Aearood as Canyon advised to cleanout the seatpost just as done in this video after every rainy/muddy ride or every 1000 dry km's.... unfortunately this is not a joke....
I do just like You, no hassel at all. The grease I use is Motorex White Grease, a really thick one. My seatpost is at the mark 40. My seatpost has a really snug fit in to the frame, and I think that is an important thing. No space for electrical tape there.
@@paulbonner8874 its a really good looking bike, my friend has one. It’s awesome you enjoy the bike but the seat post issues do not look good on Canyon’s part. Sadly Canyon isn’t the only brand having new design problems.
Apply Kraft tape to the thicker part of the seat post. Chemical problems can occur when parts made of the same carbon come into contact with each other. I have solved this problem.
Thank your for making this video. I’ve had my Aeroad CFR for about 6 weeks and 700 miles on it. A couple of days ago during a ride the seat post dropped down in the middle of a ride. Got home and screw was properly torqued to 5NM. I have not experienced any creaking issues yet. Looking inside the seat tube I only see white crease all over. I have been adjusting the seat height many times to get it dialed in, maybe that wore off the carbon paste causing it to loose grip? Going to contact Canyon and see what they tell me.
Hiya Paul, have the very same bike with SRAM Force. Had the noise after 40 days. Followed the Canyon process with one added step. Placed a slight load to the seat and post (Toward the back) to simulate a rider and at the same time tightened nut to spec. Two more weeks no noise. However, once I watched your post I repeated adding the carbon paste only to bolt head. One other note, when I got the bike I just couldn’t get use to the flashy Zipp decals on the rims so pealed them off and the weight savings and speed increase (Mentally) is awesome 😎 Won’t go back to the white decals but may consider some Matt black ones later. Have had BMC Team Machine SLR, Cervelo R5, Specialized Tarmac, Pinnarello, Giant, etc…and this Canyon is Soooo much better. If one drawback…the front end is a bit twitchy. BTW, before I bought the bike Canyon told me they had sorted the seat post and bar issues from previous. Curious if all the 2021 outlet bikes are returns for creaking? Anyway, thanks for the videos. Watched your unboxing prior to purchase and don’t regret the purchase at all.
Robert, this is a great story. Thanks for telling me. I agree that the wheels are a little bright and I have thought about removing decals, but haven't so far. Others really like them. I also find the bike twitchy. I'm nervous about riding no-handed. It makes for good turn-in though.
On canyon supplied grease it lasted 800 miles then creaked (grease probably thickened as may have dried in transit) it got to 35c in England and probably slumped, cleaned as per video grease was thin now 400 miles same, cleaned 10 mile same, noted slight scuff marks just below sleeve. Tried tape on front edge and rear of post, silent for 150 miles then it rucked up at rear and started creaking so that is not a solution. Now on new thicker grease (Muc Off Bio) put plenty on and at rear below sleeve as post rear protrudes (on 8 fully up it is flush on 6.5 it is 1.5 cm below) seems ok for now.
Tried paste and grease but the noise would come back after several rides. Cleaned the post and tried electrical tape and the post has no more plays and the noise is gone for a while now. Love riding it now.
@@maulanax I put some tapes in the front along the small bottom part and around the top area of the post. I think you would see some scratch marks...so put tapes there. Post fits snuggly after putting tapes...no play. Noise been gone since my first post. Good luck!
@@rustcohle9589 took the seat post out to inspect today after noise free all this time…and tapes still ok. But I replaced with new tapes anyway. No problem taking the seat post off and putting it back. It went down right away.
@@rustcohle9589 took the seat post out to inspect today after noise free all this time…and tapes still ok. But I replaced with new tapes anyway. No problem taking the seat post off and putting it back. It went down right away.
I have an easy fix for Canyon. Please give this solution to Canyon. The seatpost has a very big mistake. that cut section is the problem. if it was one piece, perfect no problems at all. so the solition for canyon is easy. New seat post with no cut section, it eleminates the possibility to backward and forward movement. Or, I would use a better way. Use carbon epoxy resin but very thin layer only at the front, leave it for a few days or even a week to cure. It is a cheap solution for Canyon and safe. parmanent fix no slips or creaks.
The new bike definitely has a different post system than my generation. I don't know if the new system has the compliance and comfort of mine. It looks like they went with more stiffness in that area as a result of the issues that some have had. By the way, I have not had anymore issues with the seatpost since I created this video.
Hi Paul, Just wondering, you show at 2:50 into the video "the little indentation". Is that ok? I would think that indentation is the result of the seat post clamp being done up too much and is crushing the carbon on the post. Thanks for the great video
Hi Paul, thank you for this video. I am having a similar issue with my bike and driving me crazy. Canyon solution didn't help. I am going to try yours but I ran out of paste. Did you use carbon gripper by the clamp? Do you mind linking to the paste you or canyon recommend to use by the clamp? Thank you!
I used Finish Line Fiber Grip at the clamp only and Finish Line white grease at the rubber seal. Just be careful not to get any grip on the rubber as that is where the post moves a little and the grip will act as sandpaper on the seat post.
@@mariosimonperez7815 you’re absolutely correct. I forgot that I have that tube too. I think that either one is fine, as long as you get the fiber grip only at the clamping zone.
@@paulbonner8874 I have gotten Cnyon to change my seatpost due to poor condition and plastic dressing, which is what was causing the problem. Now there is a new one that is better and avoids these problems. 300 km and zero problems. thanks
Is the circular indentation mark on on the seatpost a warning sign? When carbon starts to indent that's the weakest spot, and that is where the clamp holds the whole seatpost and the weight of the rider. Please advice
While I was a little surprised by the indentation and I understand your concern, I personally haven't had any issues with the seatpost (creaking or sinking) since I made this video.
Instead of using a paintbrush and putting the carbon paste right inside the frame have you considered to put it on the front of the narrow part of the seatpost, so on the part that touches the frame where the paintbrush was used?
Really? What’s the price cut off where physics no longer applies? … Actually pro-level designs can be much more finicky. They’ve been designed for above average users and mechanics. And for 10-10ths performance.
@@TD05SSLegacy this isn’t about physics is it? There’s millions of bikes out there that don’t squeak when being ridden. This is pure bad design, lack of testing and shitty manufacturing. Added to that the fact canyon let this out the door and get sold to customers just shows you what they actually think of you as consumers and is the reason why I’ll never buy a bike designed for being posted instead of being ridden.
Great videos so far Paul. I appreciate you making these since it’s an issue plaguing so many new canyon riders. I started experiencing the same seat tube creakiness. I used the paste and the grease supplied by canyon. But ran out of the paste. I’m still waiting to hear back from canyon about what kind of paste I should use after I finished mine. Was wondering if canyon reached out to you and let you know what kind of paste to order? Thanks
The white paste is some kind of silicone paste. I work with canyon daily and repairing this issue. As he said in the video: thin part carbon paste, thick part -> some kind of silicone, parktool grease or machine grease
@@man1ac85 I put it around the last upper part of the seatpost thats under the rubber piece of the frame. So the seatpost can‘t move in the frame. Unfortunately i don‘t have a pic. But i also make the grease and carbonpaste thing from canyon 😜
My bike uses a round seatpost and I have no issues with it. Never had to remeove it, regrease it or do anything. I can't figure out with folks put up with this shit and shitty products?
Hey Paul, great video! Random - but where did you get the sticker decal for your name? Looks great, couldn't tell if that was a custom sticker or just a label maker?
This is hilarious. I cannot imagine myself doing this kind of effort to remedy some obvious design defect. I have old areoad 2018 model and I simply ride on it without any hussle. I wanted to buy a new one to have more tires clearance but I'm so hesitant now. I expect that when you go for top spec bike you simply should be riding on it flawlessly without the problems of this kind. I just wait for some other alternative solutions like put olive oil or some chewing gum and all will work perfect. Canyon you can do better then this!
Canyon need a better solution than having to re-grease the seatpost area every couple of rides. Totally insane! Too much flexibility/leverage between the seatpost and the frame and also the distance the clamp mechanism is located from the top of the frame. The constant rocking back and forth will cause anything to creak. The one clamp mechanism made the design even worse. That's and insult and totally unacceptable having to perform maintenence on a seatpost so often. Customers like myself who owned the bike past 30 days are considering some type of class action lawsuit against Canyon. This is obviously a design flaw and myself or any other customer shouldn't be stuck with this bike with such an obvious design flaw in which Canyon is highly aware of and they also claimed it was fixed.
How much as something like this affected resale values of Aeroads? I know you don’t buy a bike with resale value purely in mind but I usually put the deposit on my next bike by selling my current one for as much as possible. No way would I buy a secondhand Aeroad unless I’m paying way way under what people even think it’s worth. The fact canyon are still letting this shoddy design out of the door just shows they think we are all idiots.
While I am not thinking about resale, I understand your point. And I think a 2nd hand Aeroad is always going to be a tricky purchase. But I also think that this "design" is not the major issue (as the bike is amazingly comfortably due to the seatpost flex) but to me the application of the the grease and paste means that the original manufacturing is being rushed to get the bikes out the door. If Canyon took more time to properly setup and explain how you need to be so meticulous in installing your seatpost, they wouldn't have as many issues.
@@paulbonner8874 it just reeks of what’s rife in the bike industry at the moment. No QC, badly designed and manufactured. Look at the amount of BB standards there are, all to try and combat something inherent but also introduced just as many issues. Do you think they’ve sorted the handlebars? What’s the steerer/stem interface like? That just seems another area where an issue could arise.
I agree on BBs. Way to many for those of us that keep bikes for more than 2 years at a time. The handelbars are great. I don't feel any issues with flex. I do have them at the closest setting. I have taken out 10mm spacer and it was a little time consuming but still worked perfect in the end and the steerer never goes out of alignment.
This is friggin ridiculous! It’s a 6k bike! You shouldn’t have to manage a creak like this. More maintenance then a full susp mtb. Canyon isn’t going to fix the problem when people keep temporally fixing it. Also this may fix it for a week, month , year… what about 3 years from now when it’s to the point it can’t be stopped. Now you have a bike you can’t sell and can’t stand to ride. Don’t understand it
Basically Canyon recommends exactly this process in their "How to service the seat post", but they are not doing a very good job in their video to explain the process thoroughly and the manual isn't explaining it very well either. The maintenance around this issue is way above what a consumer generally expects and is able to do on their own.
In my opinion the creaking occurs when there is too much play involved, which is exaggereted by heavy riders and high seating positions (more force). So the goal is to eliminate the play in and around the clamping area, which is done via the carbon paste (increases friction, reduces movement). But the process of getting the paste at the correct spot with the toothbrush without getting it all over isn't trivial.
The grease around the sleave accomplishes to weather tighten the seal, but I don't think it helps with the creaking issue, it's more about increasing the lifespan of the seal and plastic.
The design is bad because they are just using one screw instead of two to clamp (same with the steering tube), which just from an engineering standpoint will make it harder for the seat post to stay firmly in place. There is no way that 5Nm is enough force to clamp the seatpost without carbon gripper. Now they are using the sleave + carbon gripper from the factory, but it's just not a permanent solution, since due to weather etc. the gripper paste will deteriorate. Also it heavily discourages changing seat positions and removing the seatpost to transport the bike in your car, which is terrible for the general consumer.
I'm ashamed that "German engineering" resulted in a design like this. I'm not sure how a design like this made it all the way into production, but I can see why: it looks GREAT in CAD, because the design is very lean/leightweight/aero, just all the buzzwords from the last few years.
I bought this bike 2 months ago and would return it if I could, because I'm 100% sure that it will always be a "problem bike" due to untested proprietary designs like the seatpost and steerer.
I also don't understand how the bike has 4.5/5 stars in reviews on the german shop, because everyone has these problems eventually, it should have reviews around 3/5 stars at max. I want to write a detailed review about all the issues this bike has, because people that buy it should know before what they are getting themselves into. I would not recommend this bike to anyone that does not have a firm background in repairing and servicing bikes, because you will be left on your own.
I agree with you on all points and thanks for commenting. I feel like Canyon videos are difficult to understand because they don't explain the process. I made this one to show others and explain the thoughts behind it.
Thank you. I'm a tall and heavy rider at almost 90kg and not a very good mechanic. I can change a chain, brakes and some screws and service my gears, but not a skilled mechanic.
I don't think I'll buy it. I don't understand Canyon's approach. The support told me there is still a problem and they are working on fixing the seat post, still advise me to buy the bike lol.
Tho it's a very beautiful bike.
I had the creaking problem too. Canyon sent me 2 spare bikes but always the same problem later I heard that many people fixed the problem with electrical tape. But I sent both bikes back because I don't see that Canyon can't fix the problem and we as customers look stupid. Now I ride a Cervelo S 5 that doesn't make any noise.
Hi Paul. Yours was one of the most comprehensive videos on youtube for diagnosing the seatpost creak issue that I too was experiencing on my Aeroad CFR. I tried everything recommended here and on forums like Weight Weenies and nothing resolved it. After a lengthy period of diagnostics and testing, cursing and lateral thought I finally discovered the issue with my bike and wanted to note in here in case it proves useful for others. The issue for me was the plastic insert that slides into the frame (that the seatpost slides into) - this insert had not been glued sufficiently at the factory and accordingly was moving just a little to the left and right and it was this movement that was causing my creak on every pedal stroke as my body weight shifted even slightly as I pedaled. I checked with Canyon and they said they would organise to ship the bike back to them to fix. But I didn’t want to be without the bike for up to 2 weeks. So I went to my local hardware store and bought a tube of 2-part epoxy specifically made for plastics. The brand I chose was Loctite and should be available worldwide. I squeezed the plastic insert as much as I could to create a gap between it and the frame and then carefully poured some of the epoxy into the gap and then clamped it overnight. I then installed the seatpost the next day and I have not had a single creak or sound since then and it has been over 3 weeks of riding over rough roads, smooth roads, traintracks etc. Hope this information helps others in the same predicament. Thank you
Thanks so much for your comment. I hope that this will help others too.
I saw your previous video on the seat post creak. I took my Pinerello F5 with the same exact issue. I contacted Pinerello And they told me to take it to the place I purchased it so they can diagnose. they also made it clear that if you just purchased your bike, and you do damage do it trying to fix it on your own it will void the lifetime frame warranty. so forewarning to those of you with a new carbon fibre bike. So, I took it in, He removed all the paste, reset the seat post in place, and viola! It works perfect without creaking! I guess I was a fortunate one.
Hey dude！Your experience saved my Pinarello Grevil F! My seatpost creaking made me crazy and I tried every grease and paste on it but did not work! Until I read your coment and tried to remove all the paste and even grease, and it works!!!! Thanks!!!!
Great video. Recently completed a century and it popped up in my ride and was loud. Tried your fix and another century later I didn’t here a peep!
Well done !!! Thanks for this very detailed video. I have a 4 month old Aeroroad CFR and like it very much and no issues with seat post so far. I will pull the post and redo the install with you procedure, just to be on the safe side.
Paul, Thanks for Video. Im owner of aeroad cf SLX from 4 days and i was very frustrated of this noise. Today after my training i made Your procedure and this noise gone. Thank You! You should get pay from canyon!
Thanks so much. I’ll take merch from Canyon if they’re listening!
Hello fellow CFR fans. My first Canyon, I waited over a year for my first carbon bike. The creaking started on the 5th ride. Thankyou so much Paul for the detail. I have a Canyon friend where I live, thankfully, he knows this bike type inside out. It’s fixed now but I agree with so many others here commenting we should not pay this and have to self repair. It’s a military operation! Thankfully it is flying again now. Hope for no future problems
how does it feel? buying a 8K bike and it's "broken" on the 5th dide.
jesus canyon...
@@timvanmonero2720 I don’t consider it broken. It needed grease. The problem is the communication from Canyon was missing
@@timvanmonero2720 I adore this bike, best decision ever…..and even better it was a gift :))) . No worries about money
I have my canyon for 2 months, at the beginning I have put a lot of my one carbon pasta (from BBB ) on the seatpost and inside the frame , so far I have no problem’s at all , the bike ride just perfect
Since I’ve done this to my bike, I’ve had no issues at all with creaking. Thrilled to just enjoy riding again.
Paul, I appreciate your detailed approach to the video. I’m a little surprised to see you agree with the comment about how awful the bike is when you’re clearly in love with it in the video. I love mine…she climbs, is comfortable, and holds 20+ in the flats. Only aero design that beats it is the S5. Your video helped me fix my creaks, so thank you. I’m 5’8” 170lbs riding an XS, so the seat is nearly maxed. In my opinion it is indeed the lube up top, not just the friction paste down low. Curious to know if you have a recommendation on travel bag/box for the aeroad…smallest possible. Cheers, and happing riding.
Thanks for this. Mine was still creaking after my LBS tried to fix it but I followed your guidance and (so far) it’s dead-quiet. Hoping it stays that way.
I hope so too. I haven't had any noises for over 6 weeks of hard riding.
Hi Paul, great Video, but it is a joke by Canyon that an owner of such a bike will have so much work to fix a seatpost. Hope you have no noises in future. Problem is the design of this seatpost. Hope canyon will fix it on next aeroad.
Thanks Paul, this content has been great. I've subscribed specifically to follow your journey with this bike. Kudos on making TH-cam a more productive space! I ride a cervelo soloist with an aero seat tube from 2006 that was my main race bike. Not one creak ever. Seems like something that didn't need to be re engineered. Seat clamps work and there's no way the aero penalty is even worth mentioning.
Thanks for the nice comments James.
One thought regarding this seatpost issue.
This is a wide existing problem, a fail design. On TH-cam, there are fixes like one's on this video, others have used electric tape on front/rear of the seatpost. They may work for good or one needs to do fixes every now and then (I expect latter). And don't forget bendings on the seatpost from clamping mechanism.
What every Aeroad owner with this seatpost problem should do, you should return the bike and get your money back. Because when you guys keep those bikes, for Canyon it means they can continue designing complicated bikes without outside testing (if they rode a few of those > 500 km outside, they'd very likely discovered the problem and went back to drawing board). Now Canyon thinks they can recommend fixes like bublegum on upcoming design fails and people go with that.
This is indeed the proper way, which I found out only after the damage was done.... My bike was delivered in full white grease even on top of the seatpost entrance and on the Frame!!! I inserted the seatpost, and because of the amount of white grease the clamp was to slippy so after the first ride already the seatpost moved down a number of times. When I got home I pulled everything out and the seatpost was already damaged... After a solid cleaning of the complete saddle post tube, and adding paste with a small brush all was fixed. Unfortunately still after 1000 KM I pulled out the seatpost again and noticed that there was some really bad damage of the painting of the seatpost.... I contacted Canyon and i'm currently in the process of getting a new seatpost installed but unfortunately the rubber sleeves are out of stock..
To be quite honest, the bike rides magnificent! but this seatpost design is not what I would expect from a German engineerd product. (There is nothing about German Quality in this product...) I've been riding my Specialized SL3 for almost 10 years and that seatpost still looks better then the one from Canyon after 1000KM's.
I wonder how many seatpost I will need to replace in a timespan of 6 years for this Aearood as Canyon advised to cleanout the seatpost just as done in this video after every rainy/muddy ride or every 1000 dry km's.... unfortunately this is not a joke....
Thanks for your comments. I am glad to be of help. My bike continues to ride wonderfully and have no squeaks. Take care.
good work mate, nice bike and nice useful video. slightly goofy but I love it :D
I do just like You, no hassel at all. The grease I use is Motorex White Grease, a really thick one.
My seatpost is at the mark 40.
My seatpost has a really snug fit in to the frame, and I think that is an important thing. No space for electrical tape there.
Thanks Paul, I’ve tried this method twice and works very well. Very happy
Has a new faulty and expensive canyon bike but makes video with canyon tshirt, that’s some brand loyalty!
Agreed. The bike is the best bike I've ever owned. You just have to understand it's quirks.
@@paulbonner8874 its a really good looking bike, my friend has one. It’s awesome you enjoy the bike but the seat post issues do not look good on Canyon’s part. Sadly Canyon isn’t the only brand having new design problems.
Thanks Paul, beautiful bike. I've just placed my order
Hope you enjoy it!
Thanks for the update. I've been curious how this saga turned out. Happy for you that you figured it out.
Apply Kraft tape to the thicker part of the seat post. Chemical problems can occur when parts made of the same carbon come into contact with each other. I have solved this problem.
Parts made of the same carbon come into contact with each other and create chemical problems? You might be getting confused with galvanic corrosion.
Thank your for making this video. I’ve had my Aeroad CFR for about 6 weeks and 700 miles on it. A couple of days ago during a ride the seat post dropped down in the middle of a ride. Got home and screw was properly torqued to 5NM. I have not experienced any creaking issues yet. Looking inside the seat tube I only see white crease all over. I have been adjusting the seat height many times to get it dialed in, maybe that wore off the carbon paste causing it to loose grip? Going to contact Canyon and see what they tell me.
Seatpost drop is often caused by lack of carbon paste. Clean the area really well and grease and paste per video. You should be good then.
Very interested in this bike as soon as it comes available
Hiya Paul, have the very same bike with SRAM Force. Had the noise after 40 days. Followed the Canyon process with one added step. Placed a slight load to the seat and post (Toward the back) to simulate a rider and at the same time tightened nut to spec. Two more weeks no noise. However, once I watched your post I repeated adding the carbon paste only to bolt head. One other note, when I got the bike I just couldn’t get use to the flashy Zipp decals on the rims so pealed them off and the weight savings and speed increase (Mentally) is awesome 😎 Won’t go back to the white decals but may consider some Matt black ones later. Have had BMC Team Machine SLR, Cervelo R5, Specialized Tarmac, Pinnarello, Giant, etc…and this Canyon is Soooo much better. If one drawback…the front end is a bit twitchy. BTW, before I bought the bike Canyon told me they had sorted the seat post and bar issues from previous. Curious if all the 2021 outlet bikes are returns for creaking? Anyway, thanks for the videos. Watched your unboxing prior to purchase and don’t regret the purchase at all.
Robert, this is a great story. Thanks for telling me. I agree that the wheels are a little bright and I have thought about removing decals, but haven't so far. Others really like them. I also find the bike twitchy. I'm nervous about riding no-handed. It makes for good turn-in though.
On canyon supplied grease it lasted 800 miles then creaked (grease probably thickened as may have dried in transit) it got to 35c in England and probably slumped, cleaned as per video grease was thin now 400 miles same, cleaned 10 mile same, noted slight scuff marks just below sleeve. Tried tape on front edge and rear of post, silent for 150 miles then it rucked up at rear and started creaking so that is not a solution. Now on new thicker grease (Muc Off Bio) put plenty on and at rear below sleeve as post rear protrudes (on 8 fully up it is flush on 6.5 it is 1.5 cm below) seems ok for now.
Four weeks later. This completely works for me. No creaking.
Awesome Michael and same for me. Not a creak to be heard except the crickets.
Tried paste and grease but the noise would come back after several rides. Cleaned the post and tried electrical tape and the post has no more plays and the noise is gone for a while now. Love riding it now.
Where you put the electrical tape? Above or down the seatpost at the clamp?
@@maulanax I put some tapes in the front along the small bottom part and around the top area of the post. I think you would see some scratch marks...so put tapes there. Post fits snuggly after putting tapes...no play. Noise been gone since my first post. Good luck!
@@baovodinh Quick question; doesn't the electrical tape get all mushy after a while? I'm afraid if that happen it's hard to get seatpost out .
@@rustcohle9589 took the seat post out to inspect today after noise free all this time…and tapes still ok. But I replaced with new tapes anyway. No problem taking the seat post off and putting it back. It went down right away.
@@rustcohle9589 took the seat post out to inspect today after noise free all this time…and tapes still ok. But I replaced with new tapes anyway. No problem taking the seat post off and putting it back. It went down right away.
我重新清洁座管，并再固定螺丝附近位置上了碳纤维止滑剂与靠近上管位置贴了电工胶布，准备试试效果，祝我好运。
Skate board grip tape works great too.
Go crazy! A bicycle for 8000 money requires the consumer to carry technical equipment with him.
I have an easy fix for Canyon. Please give this solution to Canyon. The seatpost has a very big mistake. that cut section is the problem. if it was one piece, perfect no problems at all. so the solition for canyon is easy. New seat post with no cut section, it eleminates the possibility to backward and forward movement. Or, I would use a better way. Use carbon epoxy resin but very thin layer only at the front, leave it for a few days or even a week to cure. It is a cheap solution for Canyon and safe. parmanent fix no slips or creaks.
The new Aeroads don’t have the cut section in the saddle. Is this problem only at the old models? I thinking about buy an aeroad…
The new bike definitely has a different post system than my generation. I don't know if the new system has the compliance and comfort of mine. It looks like they went with more stiffness in that area as a result of the issues that some have had. By the way, I have not had anymore issues with the seatpost since I created this video.
Well done
Make Bikes Simpler Again. Crazy that this is required but good tutorial nonetheless.
Thats like an op.! Im glad i buy the old Aeroad. This seatclamp sucks from the beginning. Canyon has good ideas, but thats not userfriendly!
Hi Paul, Just wondering, you show at 2:50 into the video "the little indentation". Is that ok? I would think that indentation is the result of the seat post clamp being done up too much and is crushing the carbon on the post.
Thanks for the great video
It might be that. I haven't had any issues with it since the repair.
silicone grease is inert and will not react with rubber.
Hi Paul, thank you for this video. I am having a similar issue with my bike and driving me crazy. Canyon solution didn't help. I am going to try yours but I ran out of paste. Did you use carbon gripper by the clamp? Do you mind linking to the paste you or canyon recommend to use by the clamp? Thank you!
I used Finish Line Fiber Grip at the clamp only and Finish Line white grease at the rubber seal. Just be careful not to get any grip on the rubber as that is where the post moves a little and the grip will act as sandpaper on the seat post.
Sorry Paul, but in the video you don't add any Finish brand grease, but you do add Mucc off brand.@@paulbonner8874
@@mariosimonperez7815 you’re absolutely correct. I forgot that I have that tube too. I think that either one is fine, as long as you get the fiber grip only at the clamping zone.
@@paulbonner8874 I have gotten Cnyon to change my seatpost due to poor condition and plastic dressing, which is what was causing the problem. Now there is a new one that is better and avoids these problems. 300 km and zero problems. thanks
Is the circular indentation mark on on the seatpost a warning sign? When carbon starts to indent that's the weakest spot, and that is where the clamp holds the whole seatpost and the weight of the rider. Please advice
While I was a little surprised by the indentation and I understand your concern, I personally haven't had any issues with the seatpost (creaking or sinking) since I made this video.
Instead of using a paintbrush and putting the carbon paste right inside the frame have you considered to put it on the front of the narrow part of the seatpost, so on the part that touches the frame where the paintbrush was used?
That would probably work but you absolutely don’t want any paste near the insert point,which is why I use the brush.
@@paulbonner8874hi paul, why would that be bad?
Hey Paul thank you for the video ... but a bike for 6500€ shouldnt have any issue ... + self fixing no words for that
Really? What’s the price cut off where physics no longer applies? … Actually pro-level designs can be much more finicky. They’ve been designed for above average users and mechanics. And for 10-10ths performance.
@@TD05SSLegacy this isn’t about physics is it? There’s millions of bikes out there that don’t squeak when being ridden. This is pure bad design, lack of testing and shitty manufacturing. Added to that the fact canyon let this out the door and get sold to customers just shows you what they actually think of you as consumers and is the reason why I’ll never buy a bike designed for being posted instead of being ridden.
@@TD05SSLegacy they have been designed for mechanics? Thats the dumbest thing ive ever heared
@@atgnicyclist i hear a grinding noise. Your axe?
@@MsPietpaaltjes This is pro level gear and it is finicky. Want a Huffy? Buy something else.
Great videos so far Paul. I appreciate you making these since it’s an issue plaguing so many new canyon riders. I started experiencing the same seat tube creakiness. I used the paste and the grease supplied by canyon. But ran out of the paste. I’m still waiting to hear back from canyon about what kind of paste I should use after I finished mine. Was wondering if canyon reached out to you and let you know what kind of paste to order? Thanks
Jose, Canyon US representative recommends Finish Line paste and Finish Line white silicone grease.
The white paste is some kind of silicone paste. I work with canyon daily and repairing this issue. As he said in the video: thin part carbon paste, thick part -> some kind of silicone, parktool grease or machine grease
Thanks for the videos! Do you know if the “max” seat post insertion is at the top of the sleeve of the top of the frame?
Not sure if I understand but all the measurements occur at top of the mast, the top of the frame.
What is the grease brand recommanded ?
Finish Line Grease
@@paulbonner8874 And why have you turned the Mucc off?
Thanks@@paulbonner8874, which One please ?
Actually, I use both Muc and Finish line, but prefer the Muc for the seatpost and finish line for bearings.
For me only two pieces of electronic tape fixed the noise.
@Alexander Rieser
Where did you put them? Care to share a pic?
@@man1ac85 I put it around the last upper part of the seatpost thats under the rubber piece of the frame. So the seatpost can‘t move in the frame. Unfortunately i don‘t have a pic. But i also make the grease and carbonpaste thing from canyon 😜
@@Lughburz Thanks! So fully wrapped aorund the seatpost? I somewhere read you should tape the area (the flat surface) where the clamp "clamps"
@@man1ac85 There are probably more ways. wrapping around the tape worked for me. It may depends on how tall and heavy you are.
Did this continue to work?
My bike uses a round seatpost and I have no issues with it. Never had to remeove it, regrease it or do anything. I can't figure out with folks put up with this shit and shitty products?
I just purchased a aeroad CFR. Is the problem fixed or do you advised to cancel my order ?
The problem is fixed. Enjoy your ride
Hey Paul, great video! Random - but where did you get the sticker decal for your name? Looks great, couldn't tell if that was a custom sticker or just a label maker?
Thanks. I made the sticker on a label maker. I thought it came out pretty good too!
This is what canyon also posted on TH-cam. And still it will get back to cracking. This is not the solution.
This is hilarious. I cannot imagine myself doing this kind of effort to remedy some obvious design defect. I have old areoad 2018 model and I simply ride on it without any hussle. I wanted to buy a new one to have more tires clearance but I'm so hesitant now. I expect that when you go for top spec bike you simply should be riding on it flawlessly without the problems of this kind. I just wait for some other alternative solutions like put olive oil or some chewing gum and all will work perfect. Canyon you can do better then this!
While I won't argue your point, I will say that the ride makes the maintenance worth it.
At 2:50, is that a dent on seatpost from clamping mechanism?
Yes. It doesn’t appear to affect clamping, and I use the 5NM torque
Eggs from the seat post and frame
Has this continued to work 9 months later?
It works perfect.
Canyon need a better solution than having to re-grease the seatpost area every couple of rides. Totally insane! Too much flexibility/leverage between the seatpost and the frame and also the distance the clamp mechanism is located from the top of the frame. The constant rocking back and forth will cause anything to creak. The one clamp mechanism made the design even worse. That's and insult and totally unacceptable having to perform maintenence on a seatpost so often.
Customers like myself who owned the bike past 30 days are considering some type of class action lawsuit against Canyon. This is obviously a design flaw and myself or any other customer shouldn't be stuck with this bike with such an obvious design flaw in which Canyon is highly aware of and they also claimed it was fixed.
How much as something like this affected resale values of Aeroads? I know you don’t buy a bike with resale value purely in mind but I usually put the deposit on my next bike by selling my current one for as much as possible. No way would I buy a secondhand Aeroad unless I’m paying way way under what people even think it’s worth. The fact canyon are still letting this shoddy design out of the door just shows they think we are all idiots.
While I am not thinking about resale, I understand your point. And I think a 2nd hand Aeroad is always going to be a tricky purchase. But I also think that this "design" is not the major issue (as the bike is amazingly comfortably due to the seatpost flex) but to me the application of the the grease and paste means that the original manufacturing is being rushed to get the bikes out the door. If Canyon took more time to properly setup and explain how you need to be so meticulous in installing your seatpost, they wouldn't have as many issues.
@@paulbonner8874 it just reeks of what’s rife in the bike industry at the moment. No QC, badly designed and manufactured. Look at the amount of BB standards there are, all to try and combat something inherent but also introduced just as many issues.
Do you think they’ve sorted the handlebars? What’s the steerer/stem interface like? That just seems another area where an issue could arise.
I agree on BBs. Way to many for those of us that keep bikes for more than 2 years at a time.
The handelbars are great. I don't feel any issues with flex. I do have them at the closest setting. I have taken out 10mm spacer and it was a little time consuming but still worked perfect in the end and the steerer never goes out of alignment.
Hi Paul. Just wondering if you had any recommendations on how to buy the red carbon paste provided by Canyon (which isn't very much)
Canyon service recommended Finish Line grease and paste, so I bought some and it seems to be very similar to what Canyon supplied.
Would let it stick overnight 👍
it is a bad design, If it is not broken why change it
So, buy a new bike and have to fcuk about with the seatpost to make it work? 🤣
This is friggin ridiculous! It’s a 6k bike! You shouldn’t have to manage a creak like this. More maintenance then a full susp mtb. Canyon isn’t going to fix the problem when people keep temporally fixing it. Also this may fix it for a week, month , year… what about 3 years from now when it’s to the point it can’t be stopped. Now you have a bike you can’t sell and can’t stand to ride. Don’t understand it
Shit bike for a lot of money.