Can ELECTRIC 4WDs Go Offroad? Ford F150 Lightning Review
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Welcome back to The Explore Life! In this episode we get given the keys to the first Electric RHD Ford F150 Lightning. This vehicle has been in development in Australia for over 12 months and has just launched! We take the vehicle out for an offroad daytrip and give you our thoughts on this new 4WD! Would you take one for a drive? Let me know below!
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I think this needs to be a multi episode series, including a tow test, a long weekend camp, a tough track, and the finale of going across Australia.
That’d be fun
I can save you the trouble of the tow test...it sucks. The battery range drops to about 30-40% even in ideal conditions.
@@maine-lygamingtips2039my range in my gas truck drops when towing also. 21mpg turns into 10mpg while towing...
It's a Ford 😅😅😅
@@jakebruenderman2481 Yes but in an ICE truck you can pull in and refill a gas tank in 5 mins and be back on your way. With an EV at best you'll get back to 80% battery in 30 mins and that's only if the battery is "conditioned" before charging.
I own one of these in the Lariat trim with extended battery. I live in the USA. If you owned it you would not put the 35" off road tires on it because the range suffers drastically. I'm sure it's fun if you don't own it. I love this truck and would not even consider trading it for a tesla cyber truck. As for that center table that you called useless. We were camping and it was raining so we put the microwave on that table and plugged it into the outlet on the dash and cooked lunch. Wonderful.
Definitely want to see you guys take it across Australia 😂
Well I've seen a lot of content on Ford F-150 Lightnings but that's the first time I've ever seen anything like that. That was very impressive. Good work.
Okay. I've gotta say it. There is a motor in that truck, There are 2 motors in it, but it doesn't have an engine in it. lol.
100%
Yeah that makes a lot of sense haha it’s all new to me
No combustion engine, but an electric one.
@@DerFledderer Electric are "motors", not engines.
@@calvinh.8882 yes my dad said same thing motors are electric.... hate when professional s call a engine a motor
I have a Lightning here in Los Angeles, USA. Absolutely love it. Been driving it for 6 months.
the price of these in Australia start at 225k. not many people will be buying them
@@user-yl9gd2fq2j That seems crazy. They’re around 89k Australian dollar in the US. ($58k usd)
@@user-yl9gd2fq2j They are discounting these things all across the US. In the mid-Atlantic (I'm near Washington DC) prices are anywhere from $2,00 to $12,500 under MSRP. They are also still eligible for a $7,500 tax credit as long as the retail price is under $80k. So you could effectively get $20k off MSRP and they still aren't selling.
Not an EV fan by any means long shot but would love to a crack in one of these. Good episode boys, always entertaining as usual 💪🌟
the WA fast charging network is almost completely online now, you can get from Esperance to Karratha with only 200km between each charger, in a couple of months you'll be able to get from Eucla to Kununarra using fast chargers. Most of the regional chargers are solar powered with bio diesel backup generators. If you can't do East to West I'd be very surprised, people do it all the time in Teslas
From my experience it is mainly diesel generators that are doing the recharging as there is not enough capacity in the solar for the energy needed. It feels a bit hypocritical to see people pull up and charge a supposedly emissions free vehicle from these as diesel generator have way worse emissions standards than an ICE vehicle
@@pralsop wow that sucks. new power installations are supposed to be net zero as per the grant unless the power has been outsourced to local infrastructure, I've not seen any regional off grid chargers that aren't primarily solar and wind and I've been to most of them being an AEVA member (Sandfire, Pardoo, Overlander, Billabong etc). Which ones specifically did you go to that were solely genset and what capacity did you go there? we'll look into it.
@@pralsop Overlander for example has a 100kw array that supplies the roadhouse and the charger with battery backup, I've never heard those gensets running
Most people will do 90% of driving kms in areas that have an electricicty grid that is progressively going more green. Use Diesel generators as required in the odd remote areas until infrastructure is there and caught up. Chicken or egg situation, why build it if there is no Evs, why have Evs when they need diesel generators. Diesel in remote areas is fine for now untill we catch up. Most will charge of solar at home and it works great.
@@pralsopstill more efficient than burning the diesel directly
Absolutely suited to a certain type of person/buyer ! Your reaction was same as mine when I drive the Ford GT Mach-e 😂😂😂 power is insane. I think keeping an open mind is important with new vehicles but also telling it how it is. Great video boys 👍🏼
My wife drives this daily. It can be a beast but also smooth & quiet. I'm from America so things are different here.
USA here! First to throw a Four Wheel Campers Slide In model on mine. So far about 220 miles and I take it off road dry camp. Love those 35”!!
Not bad!
Took my lightning from my beach town to the mountains this winter to ski. This thing is a beast in the mountains. I also just have the standard range. It's more than enough.
I can't wait till there's some great aftermarket suspensions for this thing and I'm going to take it to the track.
I have a 2012 Nissan leaf that I lifted 2" and added bigger tires. It actually helped the range. Gave me an extra 12% range because there is no transmission, so the faster you want to go the faster the motor has to spin. So dropping the rpm of the motor helps and there's plenty of torque to turn the bigger tires. Only issue is the computer is off because you are traveling farther than the car thinks. I tow with it, costs me 40 cents to charge at home, 3 dollars to charge at a public charger. I have 18 vehicles and everything from 59 Ford to suburbans and jeeps. And I love the leaf and the f150 looks like a blast
Thanks for the eposide Matt and Nav Good to see and show something a little different. I enjoyed watching.
Yes please do a test from one side to the other
I have a latest generation Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV and it's in many ways the perfect functional vehicle. 70km or so pure EV range (so no petrol used 95% of the time) but a full 800-900km range with a 56l fuel tank (cheap 91 ulp). Easy overnight charge on standard 240v socket. Dual motor all-wheel-drive with the same drive-train advantages as the Lightning demonstrates - all the torque from zero rpm and no need for gears or low-range and simply cannot stall. Obviously, being a softroader it doesn't have the clearance or underbody protection, but the CEO of Mits Aus took one across the Simpson Desert without mishap. Drives like a good EV on the road and a very comfortable and quick road-tripper.
Icing on the cake though is the 240v inverter built in giving you a couple of standard sockets that can power sandwich toaster, coffee machine, induction hob etc with a huge battery capacity (which the engine can recharge as needed) - so it can also run part of your home in a black-out. Best of both worlds until the recharging infrastructure matures and the pricing of such becomes more reasonable (as it stands, although it's WAY cheaper for me to recharge at home, charging at retail chargers costs more than if I were to just use petrol instead.
My 2019 would be perfect with that amount of range. I agree they're near perfect for fit a family car
Bro, do all of the tests... im here for all of it! absolutely brilliant!
What a weapon!
I believe the rear differential is mechanical locked, activated electronically. As for doing something like a lap of Australia, it's already being done by people in Teslas and other EVs, so it should be possible. Some of those Tesla laps including towing a camper. Using an EV requires a different mindset to an ICE vehicle, especially around charging. In day to day use, you charge at home and probably never use a public charger. When travelling, you need to factor in charge times and the charging curve of the vehicle. In most cases while on a roadtrip, you probably should be charging to about 80% or so during the day and perhaps to 100% overnight at accommodation. Charging infrastructure is growing rapidly, so this will become easier overtime. You won't be able to go to very extreme remote locations, unless you're within some charging infrastructure range. Portable solar, as noted in the video, just won't cut it for recharging.
Great point mate, I’ve seen some teslas do it across the Nullarbor but would be cool to see if this can do it. It’s a completely different ball game to me so I’d find it a fun challenge
@@theexplorelife you can theory craft some of what it can do by using A Better Route Planner and fiddling with the various settings there.
rebel vs lightning would be sick
These are sitting a while at Ford dealers where I live in the States...not many being sold after the initial early adopters got theirs. They sound like a good idea but have proven to be nothing more than a truck shaped commuter car for city folk. Something they don't tell you about with the faster DC charging is if you do it more than once in a while you will degrade the battery. The battery only holds advertised range long term if you slow charge at home...so using this for a business requiring a lot of miles and DC charging won't work out so good.
Assuming that you are seeing this in Maine and maybe Massachusetts (although the massholes in Boston might like them). It's the same in the Mid-Atlantic.
Hey mate have a look into the Tesla's actual battery degradation figures you'd be suprised even fast charging they get a good lifetime. More than most engines do and they are only getting better. Not sure about Ford numbers but Tesla has proven data
I’m still prefer either a diesel or petrol especially for towing but as one comment said this has to be a multi series to really test this car out and one thing is how much will it cost to charge the f150 how long will it take to charge the car up before you can go for your next leg and how quick does the battery last when towing a 20 ft caravan over 1000km. Call me old fashioned but I’m still not keen especially over here in the west coast
I’d add, as I tow a caravan, am I going to be able to charge up with my caravan attached ?
How would you go setting it up for touring with a full 12 volt set up and how would that effect battery life etc
I daily a EV and I can honestly say it’s fantastic. Like you said in the video until infrastructure catches up, they aren’t feasible for long trips.
I think Plug in hybrid Dual Cabs will be the happy medium until the infrastructure settles… all the EV motor perks, with the convenience of a petty pump
Great ep guys, and after having the truck for a few days I can say it's unreal to drive!
I'm a dyed in the wool V8 guy, but I think this is pretty cool.
Having said that, I went to their website and found out I've gotta drop at $225k for the std poverty pack and $255k for extended range plus whatever options you want.
I love the look, power, space and concept, but at the end of the day I can buy two brand new Ranger Raptors for the price of one of these.
So that's a no for me...
320k according to nrma which includes the luxury car tax
Ouch. Mind you it's a third the price in the USA. C'mon Ford. Officially bring them over.
@@stuartmarshall7099 they're about half the price in the USA. Add some $$ for shipping and RHD conversion, but we are still getting ripped off on these small scale imports, even if this is through a Ford Dealer.
Yes I can get an extended range Platinum here in the US for in the $70’s with all the rebates. But they were high here at first and prices have dropped since then because they are selling like they thought. I am considering taking the plunge, but trade in value I am sure stinks on them.
@@deancranley2241They're mid 70s here
at 250 grand for the extended range. No one is.going to be able to afford one
Have you seen some of the rigs doing laps of Aus at the moment? Chopped 300 series with nuclear power plant canopies on the back. Well worth over 250k
@@thetravellingstampshowever they are starting with a base around $100k less. Build one of these up and you are spending another $100k. I love the concept however it's a huge difference over the equivalent ICE models.
Yep. This Ute is dead on arrival.
$250k makes it no where near realistic. Aside from the electric, the diesel/petrol versions have all the same tech for $80k less.
Many want it but can't afford it. Even those F150 ice. It's a pick up truck. Even ladies prefers to drive these trucks in the states than those small Toyota diesel Hilux utes.
Nice honest no bullshit review, would love to see the tow test, boat is a very streamlined low drag tow compared to a caravan… but the weight you speak of with the boat tow is still 3 odd tonne so very interested to see. Cheers guys
BOYS My Ford heart is racing and I'm twelve minutes into this video...wow it looks great so far !!?
just finished watching the episode...I would have one in the future when they have more range like 800km or more 🤞⚡⚡🙂
What wheels and tires are you using? Did you have to do anything to get those tires to fit?
Already have Tesla and a home charger so this would be very practical as my weekend warrior, Moreton, K’gari, Noosa hinterland etc. Mainly charge off rooftop solar for free. Plenty of Superchargers in SEQ now provided Tesla allows Fords as they do in USA. Main issue is the price.
Definitely mate, not there for the everyday Aussie yet
A week into my first EV - they are soo good. No downside as a family daily - none. As a long distance tourer of course not but that’s not the point in my opinion. Vehicles are fit for purpose and the fact that my car charges in the garage for a handful of $$ overnight (if needed) is a no brainer. Acceleration next level, silence etc. Reality is that if you haven’t actually driven one… don’t say no until you have.
Should have got a hybrid Lexus RX back in 2000 you would have saved a house deposit in running cost
Don’t want to be the only one with the negative point of view but here we go
It’s a bit of a markup considering these are $80k AUD in the states but to get the base model here it starts at $225k and for the model you got here with the extras looking at $260k plus on roads. Additionally as it’s through AusEV and not Ford there’s no factory warranty. Not really the every day Aussie car that anyone can afford. It’s interesting that’s for sure but unless you have the money for a $260k daily you wouldn’t get one of these.
Would be good to see you guys get back to your roots and do the whole touring set up that any Aussie could do like your old 76/79 Or even the old GU.
If I was spending 270k on a car it wouldn't be on this it would be on a supercar...... the ticket price on this just elimination 99% of its targeted buyers market...... what tradie will pay 270k for a car that will only do 250kms when fully loaded and if a tradie rocked up to my place in this car knowing the price tag I automatically know he/she is going to over charge because they have to cover the cost of the vehicle somehow ........ or are people that stupid they don't realise these cost need to be covered in some way 😂😂😂😂
@@Sh1tstir The price will come down. They can't give them away in Canada and the US.
This looks just like a paid promotion.
Bit of a joke really
Keen to see you two have an epic trip across the country in one of those things!
East coast to west coast race f150 lightning vs f150, standard charging vs normal refueling, who will make it across the country first .
Spoiler alert 😂
@@theexplorelife and compare the costs as well (fuel and maintenance). Plus: no speeding, no fatigue (i.e. safety first). Say Brisbane to Perth, via Sydney, Canberra, Melbourne, Adelaide?
Don't see why you would. Do you drive 24 hour days? Don't sleep at all? Impressive.
@@iguanagoat799 Exactly. People pretend they drive over 500 K without a lunch break or bathroom stops. That one stop for lunch takes 45 min...and the car is recharging in that time. So if was a normal drive and not a race, the ETA would be pretty much the same.
@@RandysRidesplenty do in Australia 9 -12 hrs driving is not uncommon outside of the city's
One massive thing every manufacturer needs to look at it black hood linings and pillar trims. The grey just doesn't cut it any more. Especially in 4x4s and Ute's where people are likely to have dirty hands ect. I have the PRO-4X Warrior and it's a massive bug bear of mine.
Welcome back Navs, here the trip to do guys, across Oz Via the VHC, now that would be a test.
Looks Great!! They are only going to get better!
Definitely keen for a tow test with some additional content too
There is no doubt these EV will be the future. Happy to wait til the price comes down and someone comes up with an easy to charge solar converter. Great review Matty and Nav.
Keen to see the east coast to west coast trip
Would be interested to see how practical that might be
Great review - good work for getting out of your comfort zones
Long range test sounds like a great idea too 👌
Great job fellas
Good to see the new tech getting into the 4wds
1 foot driving makes normal driving seem excessively harder than it needs to be
Good for around town and weekends but long trips won’t work, you add all the accessories to the lightning and the range will drop with no way to extend it on a conventional f-150 you can just get an extended or secondary fuel tank
This looks great... would love to have 1 or 2, (his n hers)
These trucks are used for towing in Australia, will the charging infrastructure be set up for Charging with the Horse Float/ Caravan/Boat/Trailer…. still hooked up. I personally tow a long Caravan which is not an issue when I fill up the Diesel.
toe test with 3t caravan in toe from bris to perth will it make it and the cost and time for charging
That would be a nightmare trip.
love it! test and try everything plz!
Okay that was really impressive
traveling around Australia in electric cars and also towing in electric cars have already been done many times its not a question at all if it can be done
....another genuine and free from bias review of course...
This might seem like an odd question but how does the air-conditioner work? Can you run it without using much battery and could you sleep in it with it running all night or for how long? also Heating?
Heck ya. Would consider buying one for sure
100% want to see you try cross Aus. Great test!!!
Absolutely love my 2023 Lariat Lightning. I don't take it offroad as I have a 100 series Land Cruiser for that.
I'm a diesel and gas engine guy myself, but I like EVs, I feel they have a place in the world for sure, but not for everyone, the range is not good enough. To me, they're like a second vehicle, like I have my everyday truck, and I have a truck I use for offroading, my offroad truck is there when I don't want to use my main truck, and to me, that is what EVs are for at this point.
Would be great for a daily driver or tradie Ute I reckon but yeah range not there yet for long range touring
@@theexplorelife If you decide to try and take it across Australia, maybe tow a generator that's able to give it a bit of charge if needed. lol.
Or do a bit of planning and achieve it like a number of other EV drivers have already...
There are so many reported examples (from the US) of short range in real world usage (they are reported to chew more battery on the highway kms than around town), and less than half that when towing. Not ideal for distances we travel in Australia! In the US, they can barely sell any now, dealers are trying to return stock to Ford, and Ford halted production a while ago due to not selling them. Jerry Rig Everything ran tests with towing, and was flat out getting 40% of claimed range. So in Aus, do we want to tow more than 200kms return? Because our charging networks are still slow and far between! Guessing the expected range is like expectation vs reality. Please run more tests lads, then report on the findings after that. Would be great to see what the experience is like going from east to west coasts!
Yeah plenty of speculation around them, more testing needed 👌
Fully electric will never work in Australia for 4wd, would have to be some type of hybrid to have any real world use here.
@@theexplorelifetake it to cape.york 4 sum rivercrossings😅😅
But they started production again.
@@basekyle2045 take it to capeyourk en give it sum river crossing sooner than later for Australian veiwers
Would love to see you take it from Queensland to Western Australia for sure!!!
That should be quite possible - Teslas have been doing the lap of Australia for a number of years now.
How can you charge it if away from a charger, can it be charged by a generator or solar panel and if using a solar how many watts panels would you need
The solar question largely depends on how far you’re travelling each day
What brand tires and rims are on this truck?
A tow torture test and fuel/Distance economy test would also be good . BUT you would also have to include time to refuel and charge times and cost of each to be fair and realistic
1st LDV eT60 ? or did they not release it in AUS
So cheap to 'fill up" and run, even cheaper at home and free if you use work or home solar. Don't forget no more 12v or gas stuff needed either; Huge battery gives you loads of AC options for Microwaving, Fridges, Kettles, Electric BBQ, TVs, Lighting, etc also running big tools for work like drop-saws, big air-compressors etc straight off the back all for minimal draw. You can even run your whole house off the car for days during a big blackout..
I like it. We need to fully test this beast yet, but just look at this thing...what's not to like right?
Saw you blokes at Bribie giving it a thrashing. Love to see it
Had to give it a proper test!
what type of resale will they get ??
Does this version have the power outlets that the American version does?
Definitely want to see use go cross country with it and also test it in like a minimum of 300mm of water to see if it actually can even if it's at a test site. Definitely interesting to see Definitely miss the exhaust sound though. Could see em doing well for city courier and council vehicles for rangers n alike.
Yes, test the Rebel V Lightning but at Fraser for a week and see how you go!
Yeah everyone smiles when they find sports mode. 🤣😎 Best invention on any vehicle.😁 When you can get at least 1000K's on EV's and charge it in the same time it takes to fill a fuel vehicle then i'll think about getting one.
Yeah 100% mate, not quite there for touring yet
Thanks for the info, always wondered why these EV's haven't incorporated some sort of solar panel charging into the roof yet.
Do the east to west test, then torcher tow test 👌🤙🏻
Pls do a RWT with rear passengers and tow test much appreciated
My old stomping ground Bribie, been driving up that beach for years
Can these whips be rigged up with solar on the roof to run power to the main battery?
You can do it, but the physics doesn't make this practical. With current solar technology, you just can't get enough power from such a limited area.
Yep do the across Australia test - I reckon you have to tow something though.
Do a tow test for sure...
Also do a trip across aus in it.... that will be a crack up...
Bring it on. Huge fan
In the test race with the car on trailer did any else see the brake lights go on on the landcruiser
Lightning vs rebel test for sure 🤙
thank you guys so much for taking an open minded approach to the new electric market. At the end of the day they will take over and ICE will be phased out. in the meantime, testing and exposure is needed. that things handled like a weapon in the sand and weighing 2t I think its a win for electric. In time as batteries become more energy dense, they'll be a viable option.
Interesting. Would be interested in knowing - if I had solar on my house and a charger for, what what be the costs compared to fuel? Would I need a battery bank to make it worth while? if I worked a 7-5 job? or could I run a vehicle like this off normal home elec and still be economical. What would be cost diff between running a diesel or electric? Keen to see how long it lasts on towing and power usage. Keen to see how you go for from say Sydney to Cape. Can it be charged from solar and generator and how would it take?
Good to see you guys pushing the envelope
I power a Tesla entirely from solar. Charge on weekends.
How long do the batteries last and how much do they cost to replace?
With battery warranty why is it a concern?
Hi guys just wanting to confirm the gvm and gem you mentioned in the video if those figures are correct then if you load it to gvm level you can only tow 2900kg. At that it’s no different to most modern dual cab utes . At least with a cruiser your gvm plus 3500 tow equals your gcm 👍🏻🍺🍺
I hope they can get you a Rivian to test since the RT1 is built with off roading as a priority and I still would like to see Redarc come out with a solar powered charging system
Take it up the old tele track, cape york
Yes towing test and can you put more battery for more ks
Take it to the cape or out the Simpson and see how you go with recharging out there I’d hate to think what the price point would be
So lets crunch the numbers:
GVM 3800 - TARE 2885 = Payload 915 - (Not bad!)
Braked Towing Capacity 3500
GCM 6700 (Not so good!)
So to tow a caravan weighing 3500:
6700 - 3500 = 3200 left for car
3200 - 2885 = 315 Payload for car
Payload includes driver and passengers
Equates to 3 x 100kg adults and 1 x slab of beer!! 🧐
Yes please, a tow test would be great.
I think a tow torture test EV v petrol comparison would be great as long as you compare the F150 petrol vF150 EV
Love it
Only just started this vid but predicting range will be terrible with anything other than unladen road use. Range tests while towing I've seen online from the states are a shockingly bad. Good to see that mainstream manufacturers are having a crack but EV 4wds will be flash suburban daily drivers/ weekend warriors till there's better battery tech available. Diesel is still the most fit for purpose option for touring/ offroading for the time being.
Good luck with the river crossings
Did alright this time 😂 no snorkel to worry about
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Better than ICE it seems.
Yeh. With sealed motors and battery it sure will be difficult to have any issues. Much less trouble than a diesel or petrol where you have to worry about hydrolocking.
Looks like my link was removed. The EV's performed much better in the recent Dubai floods. Some interesting footage on YT.
Matty, can you charge the EV battery by using a solar panel?
front end accidents could get a bit messy with not much there to take force of impact. Long distance you might stuggle as there wouldnt be charging stations everywhere certainly not the more remote you get
Should be the first to put one of these up as a prize. I’d use it as a daily.
Would be good to see it cross the Nullarbor. Does it have VTL?
I want to see it do glasshouse! Haha
Do a tow test and drive across country guys.😊
I'd honestly be interested to see a full price comparison between buying a Ford lightning with the long range battery and a Ford F150 with a long range tank and then again a year later. Compare how much difference they would actually cost for maintaining and running through the year.