I feel your pain. I know exactly what it's like to buy a used car cheap, only to have it fail and crap out on you and have some major issues all within a week. It's a terrible feeling.
I bought a new GT86 (FRS) back in 2013. Kept it just 6 months within this period, spigot clutch bearing broke, steering rack issues and numerous rattles coming from areas I could not locate. Got rid of it before any major failure and I can only imagine that car is probably sitting in some workshop ready for some major repairs. Stay away from these cars they will run you dry when they fail. Don't think you'll be getting a tough old Toyota that's cheap to run and repair. Those days are gone.
The main bearing is failing in select Subaru engines prematurely. Subaru has a recall out extending warranties to get it fixed. I did not receive a letter and my STI is highly modified. I'll have to replace the short block and many other parts to get it going again. I know that Subaru has a few claims against them for this issue.
@@NetomaMusic If you're in the market for something that is reliable you should avoid Subaru and Mitsubishi. Very fun vehicles to drive but not for someone that can't fix their own vehicle or someone who doesn't have extra income for maintenance. If you're looking for something reliable and fun to drive, get yourself a used manual transmission Lexus. They are hard to find, but worth the search.
Just some advice, do not run 0w20 with these fa20 motors. I have a 2013 brz and within 2 years iv had cam sprocket issues, one of which I had to replace. After that expensive repair a few months down the road my car went into limp mode and got the code p00016(I think) cam slow response bank 2. I brought the car into a local shop and the mechanic cleared the code and asked if I was using 0w20 which I was using. He suggested I should be using at least a 30 grade oil and said that the sprockets are sensitive to oil pressure and 20 was not providing enough for the cam gears to work properly. I ended up getting an oil change done and now 3 months in I have never had any issues and the motor seems more punchy than before
@@ardikasulistija6574 Oh man.. The repair bill was over $2700 (Canadian) including labor at Subaru. This repair included many different parts to replace including an ECU replacement due to a glitch in 2013-2014 models
I drove a gt86 for 3 years, i think that the 0w20 oil was much more punchy. It ran very smoothly on 0w20, have no idea about reliability though cos i sold after short period.
Thanks for making this vid. Im looking to buying a BRZ soon. Im usually against buying new, but after watching this makes me wanna be new instead of used.
Why do I get the feeling a shift was missed? If this was a newer car which had an ROB feature in the engine ecu….. this video wouldn’t have been made. This guy should blow the entire service department at the dealer.
I remember when these cars were the darling of the industry. I bought into the hype and got a Firestorm FR-S manual in 2013 within weeks of their release. Everyone on TH-cam was doing videos on them. Dozens of them showed up at autocross and HPD events. It was awesome at first minus the conservative tune. Then I started getting issues like everyone else. Improperly torqued axel nuts, fuel pump TSB, clutch pilot bearing squealing, and ended with a spun rod bearing. Such disaster and disappointment. Got rid of it halfway through 2014 for a Camry V6 which remains completely solid with zero issues. It’s sad what these cars are ultimately going to go down in history as. There was so much potential and good intentions on there.
@@user-sk4wf3ve6z Glad it’s working out for you. Seems 50% of them that come into our shop have issues and 50% are trouble free. Hoping yours continues to run well with zero issues, knock on wood.
@@anthonymoy4471 First iteration of my MR2 Turbo still running strong on the stock block and head. First iteration of my Integra GS-R had zero major problems. This is the first car I ever bought and witnessed so many problems with both mine and others that came into our shop. Not to mention the engine related recalls for a significant population of the cars across several years of production. Glad yours works great, and hoping it continues to do so.
Subaru has to recall 400,000 vehicles because of bad valve springs in the cylinder head. This includes the Brz shown in the video and of course the Toyota Scion Frs
Being the first owner is the best because u are the first one driving it and you know how u drive it. Never get a used sports car because some people race the hell out of them
Wow thanks for sharing glad the dealership had your back even without a warranty. Cause now we got to enjoy 14 episodes of ProjectBRZ! Is there really no consumer protection from dealership bought cars with no warranty? 11500 loss is difficult to swallow after 6 days of ownership plus that repair bill would have put cost to buy and fix 21354.40!!! Almost the price of a brand new one lol. That would be huge setback for a normal enthusiast.
I believe there is actual consumer protection. In NJ used car lemon law, you’re supposed to have a warranty based on the mileage of your car. I believe a 30 day warranty for under 100K Miles. The thing was I signed an “As-Is” disclosure which technically waived that. DUMB Thing to do, hindsight being 20-20. However, I question whether that as is disclosure actually holds up, as in the dealership was on the hook anyway rather them actually looking out in my best interest. Someone smarter than me at consumer laws should chime in here Thanks for watching btw! -Hansen
If you blew up the fa20. Night as well do a swap for cheaper and more power. Unless his warranty paid and he is pretending he paid. Cause no one in their right mind actually buys everything in pieces to fix the car unless doing it themselves or something. Swap in another fa20 or swap it for a k24 or something.
All you Subaru Bashers out there may have some case. Here is what i can say from personal experience. I have a 2010 Outback. It has 170K miles on it. Oil change every 5K miles like clockwork with mobile 1 full synthetic 5W30. It is my teenage daughter's main driver. It has survived the totaling of an Audi A4 and hit an escort pretty hard. Daughter never got a scratch from either accident. I bought it used and because I wanted a reliable tank for a new driver. I got what I paid for. Oh yes Subaru replaced the torque converter under an extended warranty when the car had 120K miles. If that isn't a company that stands behind their cars and customer I don't know what is.
I was within hours of pulling the trigger on a '19' Crosstrek, then within a few hours of making that commitment, the recall was announced. I was aware of the head gasket issue and also have heard over the years that some mechanics will not work on Subarus. Frankly, I do not need any additional hassles in my life, so I went back to the car that has been the most hassle free in my 32+ years of car ownership, the KIA Soul. My original Soul (2010, bought new) has over 225k miles and is still rollin strong so I just popped for another Soul, primarily for cross country travel, keeping the original for driving around town. While the Soul is not sexy, in my experience, like the original VW Beetle, give 'em a little TLC and they will run forever. At the end of the day, it's about reliability and not dumping a ton of cash into repairs once the warranty expires. I was disappointed about the Subaru recall as I have heard many good things about their products, though most of the reviews and comments were regarding their older models. I guess my Guardian Angels were on the job that day.
@@chickenpax1 meaning engineers have the know how to make an engine durable, if it's not durable it's often the management department that makes these decisions. Too bad Subaru is normally good.
I have a 2013 FRS. no problems yet its now 2023. I feel like any car, any make, anywhere, can break down at any time. This is more about a car that broke down.
I wonder what the previous owner did to make that happen. It must've gone unnoticed by the dealer you bought it from. Good thing they stood behind the car. I bought my last car, an FR-S, from CarMax. They had a 30-day full warranty and stood behind it, no problem, giving me a loaner while they made the car good. These were body problems, though, not engine troubles. In addition, there were rattles in the body, which Toyota made good on for free, also with a loaner. It's been 8 1/2 years with no further issues. In 1972 I had a similar problem with a used 1969 Porsche 912 I bought from a Porsche dealer. The engine had a knocking sound which they said was normal for an air-cooled car. I'd had VWs before that, also air-cooled, and squinted but bought their story. Six months later and across the country, I found out that was rod knock, probably at least one loose wrist pin. I called the dealer, who seemed like they might do something for me, but I was about to go on a WestPac deployment so I just traded the car for a VW bus.
I had a gt86. Done 33500 kms from new before it broke down. From there the bills piled in. Coilpack.. injectors.. bcm... engine ecu... injectors again... all for a cool 10k. Not including the cluth slipping, smoke out the exhaust and the valve spring tsb.
Not really just the early models, which goes to show don't buy the first year production models. Luckily mine has the 2017 updated motor in it so Subaru had a 5 year time period to have a good and long look at the engine and make the right revisions.
What was the build date of this vehicle ? What date did you buy it ? How many miles were on the car when you bought it, just 6 days prior to engine problems ? I see now from previous video car had 93,000 miles on it when you bought it used.
I bought a 2013 Scion FRS in 2017. Since then, I've had one engine swap, which I used my warranty to replace, but as of 8/30/2021, that used engine has blown too. It is currently at the dealership and they're looking to quote me on a used or new engine to now replace that one. Biggest regret of my life as I am still financing it from 2017. I don't even think I want to replace the second engine to be honest. I want to just say to hell with it. Any advice would be welcome.
My son has a 2013 scion FRS the motor spun a rod bearing at 125,000 km. I am a mechanic so I’m fixing it but I blame the 0w20 oil causing the problem. You can actually see where the rod bearing has rubbed the crank
Honestly why didn’t you just buy a wrecked FRS/BRZ from IAAI or Copart you could’ve pulled that motor rebuild the engine and sold the other parts I’m sure you could find a FRS/BRZ expert that can lend you a hand in fixing that car you could’ve saved a ton of money? Then again I can’t blame you at least you have that peace of mind from the stealership. I can see many of these Twins having blown engines especially earlier models down the road, many of these kids are neglecting oil changes are so critical on these cars especially. Just like the Z’s and G series many are trashed and neglected.
So all this work was done as “good will” by the dealership. So I didn’t have to fork out anything. If I had to do it myself, I’d probably scrap the project and look for something cheaper, or decide to go full engine swap. I’m SUPER happy the dealership did the right thing and fixed the ugly situation. -Hansen
ShiftingLanes awesome I’m glad they took care of you kudos to that dealership. I was concern initially that you had to fork out that much given how strong the Twins community really is. Makes me miss my 15 FRS love to come back and get another one eventually.
@@iheartgs400 I am in the same boat as you. Sold my gt86 and still miss it till today. I have bought a more capable car in the s2k, but the gt86 has a special place in my heart.
Seems like the 2013-2014’s are cursed. Have a 2015 FR-S with 50K been solid for 2 years with the turbo kit that’s being the original owner giving lots of care and maintenance done.
So lets properly inform people at the start of the video ya? that you purchased a used BRZ with an unknown history. You're buying an enthusiast car, a highly modifiable car at that.. and you just spent the money without knowing the history. You're gambling. I've owned two and have not had a single issue. Please please please let people make their own decisions and inform them of the correct way to buy a car with knowledge behind them and not just lust and a burning hole in their pocket.
I purchased a brand new 2013 BRZ. It has had an immaculate service history. At 56k 5 years my valve spring broke. About 1 year ago. Subaru refused to cover it. So I sold my immaculate 2013 BRZ with 56k on it to Carmax for $9000. Last month I received a recall notice for valve springs. Subaru is dead to me. Good luck with your BRZ's.....it is a fun car with a garbage poorly designed engine.
When I blew my 350Z engine, my fault not the car, I was quoted 6K to repair it. I looked around and found a totaled 350Z (rear end damage) bought it for 1K and payed around 1K for a direct motor swap. Problem solved. Totaled car also had 50K less miles. Sometimes buying a parts car is cheaper than new repairs
All things considered then, would you recommend to buy from this dealership? I am not too far from this dealership and they also have great prices on new Impreza
They’ve helped me out immensely so definitely recommended. There was no fighting them about anything. They just took care of the situation, no questions asked... except for asking what I did prior to the engine blowing up. In terms of the buying process they were very painless. Highly recommended -Hansen
I would contact Subaru HQ, and demand reimbursement for repairs. They already have a recall in effect regarding the valve springs, which when cracked or broken, would cause damages similar to your car condition.
When buying a Subaru expect problems with the engine furthermore you actually got a deal by them replacing everything for free now you have practically a brand new car other than Electronics of course and transmission
Lesson can be learned from this all avoid buying a modded FRS/BRZ that used to be boosted or is boosted because the FA20 is really a ticking time bomb.
Yeah. It’s a big gamble, and like I said in the video, a lot of people might find the low price appealing (just like I did), but it’s hard to know what really went on before you buy it. Definitely do a lot of inspection, but there is still only so much you can do. Just budget for these fixes and plan ahead. Thanks for watching! -Hansen
ShiftingLanes exactly best tip I can tell folks is get it from someone that appreciates these cars. Despite my FRS being rebuild giving buyers open transparency on what was done to the car overall does wonders.
ShiftingLanes you lucked out bro. I lost a combined 9k buying two used Mazda 6’s with worn engines so I went and purchased a new Honda Civic with six miles on odometer. LESSON LEARNED!!!!!!
Jim Her agreed, but it can go for any car especially if the engines or transmissions have any issues with longevity. Most people are too lazy and cheap to take the best care
You said they found broken rocker arms ... but were there any broken valve springs? If so, since Subaru is recalling these for valve spring failure maybe they will reimburse your cost to repair this engine. Could be the root cause of your engine failure was a failing valve spring.
Who's commenting and are 4 decade's old\wise? Here's the thing, you can be a noob and say "Subaru does a recall" and because of said recall is my proof "this is why Subaru sucks". When you get wise we realize a recall is the right thing to do and makes Subaru even better. So many manufacturers wont admit when they messed up. Enjoy the recall!
I've got both a 2015 wrx & an 2018 civic si and I'm more worried about the oil dilution problem with the civic than anything. You know about that issue don't you?
I blew up my motor on 97,000 kilometers. It was a second hand car and I got it about 3 months before it happened. Mines a 2012 gt86. The engine is now from a 2014 brz/86 and it was all covered under warranty. If it was I would have looked at putting a 2jz in it
recently went through the J02 recall for the valve springs on my FR-S. Do you happen to have the engine rebuild invoice in PDF or higher quality format from your youtube video? Please feel free to block out any personal data obviously, but would greatly benefit from this as I have had some quotes range from $6,000 to $8,000.
I guess this just enforces the rule of thumb, when a new vehicle comes out never get the first model years of them. I want the brz or 86 next but when I look for them I set the model year to 2017 and newer. Play it safe and stick to the later models that are better sorted out along with the rusty door frame issues that got fixed later on too.
Not necessarily, I have a 2013 brz that was recalled for this exact problem, 160,000km and going strong but not everyone was smart enough to take their cars in for the recall and now they're paying for it.
@@tacticalplayer6337 im at 90k, 3rd owner with already having to replace warped pilot bearing, clutch, skim flywheel and a possible faulty throttlebody :( Dont let that bother you too much, the parts are abundant as long as you learn the ins and outs from someone who cares about them dearly. Or learn the hard and expensive way like i did going to incompetent dealership workshops because i cant find good references
@@crankypipo throttle body is on top bro that ones easy to work with and yeah for the clutch and flywheel I'd recommend to take with a shop unless you have a lift/heavy jacks to support the car
400,000 2013 ,2014 Subarus are being recalled for valve spring problems. That is what happened to my 2013 BRZ at 56k miles. Subaru of America is located not far from Cherry Hill NJ.
So no explanation as to why it happened, just that "it was used and I had no idea what happened." so..... was it boosted, was it tuned at returned back to stock, was it raced then sold, how many miles are on the car, were those miles high stress, was the engine tuned lean or rich, ect. I got no information from this vid other than the vague "this is what happens to used cars." Just a thought; if you buy a car totally unknown, no carfax, no service records ect; expect that the previous owner abused the hell out of it, I feel like thats common sense. Also, you had the whole engine pulled apart and didn't ask them "why did this happen" or "what would cause this to happen again?" You have no other information for your audience other than "dude, my car with no info broke and it costs $10k to fix it; good thing the dealer took care of it." Also, if it's a project car, that needs a replaced motor, why not use the chance to throw the WRX engine in it?
I used to love Subaru but definitely wont be owning any more. Big end bearings, ringlands, headgaskets, piston slap issues come as standard...I'm not joking, its only a matter of time.
Buying a used performance car is always higher risk than buying a bad used car. Also, Subaru is known to have engine issue, so I wouldn't buy one if I can afford it.
These videos blow. You still didn't tell us why the motor blew, just how much. Rocker arms have not been a problem in this car unless they are boosted. What actually broke?
Toyota and Subaru said they are definitely currently working on a new generation, I cannot wait. I have a 2017 Toyota 86 automatic love it! so far no issues
Guys this is what i advise everyone, dont buy a 2013 model. I used to have a 2013 gt86, my engined chirped in traffic like it was a 1988 honda civic. Just buy the refreshed model which has the updated tail lights in addition to a better suspension.
Guy at my last job had an older WRX. Motor made a weird sound on the freeway and then it seized up. Turned out to be a crank bearing. He had a used motor put in and within a few months the same thing happened to that motor. Luckily he had a warranty so engine #3 seemed to be alright. That and multiple other issues makes me not trust Subaru’s.
Haha then buy a Ford, I have 2 Subarus one was bought with a salvage title I fix it, mostly body work, and after 34 thousand miles it still working flawless with just regular maintenance
Alexandro Cedillo Rivera he actually traded In a Ford for that car that he had to have a head gasket replaced on. Maybe he just had bad luck with cars. My other friend has an STi that runs great 130k no motor problems.
Me IRL: A brand new Honda Civic Type R Turbo crate motor costs, brand new, $6500 bucks. For literally everything. Add another $1500 for install labor, and for $8000 total you get a real motor (not a trash EJ25, subaru engines arent bad, but the bored out EJ25 is essentially a landmine). Lets say you need another $2000 dollars for a tansmission bell housing adapter to mate the Honda motor with the subie trans, and a new Hondata management system/wiring harness. So, in conclusion, for $10,000 you couldve made an absolute unit of a monster. Instead, you spent $10,000 on restoring a stock EJ that makes a max of 205 horse TO THE CRANK, not even the wheels. You, my friend, seriously messed up.
@@ShiftingLanes Ahhhhhhhh ok, you seriously lucked out then. Most people cant orchestrate a deal like that. Heres my revised 2 cents. I get this video happened a while ago, but if you still have the car definitely sell that brick and then buy a better car. Or even a better subaru for that matter. My buddies completely bone stock 2011 Subaru Outback 3.6R H6 leaves the BRZ at a stand still and has high enough NA torque to walk it at higher speeds. Rolls, digs, itll beat the BRZ "sports coupe" every pass. Granted his outback has the 5EAT trans, none of that CVT garbage, but a walk is a walk (we aint talking track day handling, just engine performance in general, testing against BRZ platform done on a fresh set of Nokian WRG-3's). The turbo applications Subaru offers arent bad either, and at the end of the day if you got stuff for free you should just pony up and buy a cheap supercharger kit with your own money, no handouts this time. If you say youre fine with the stock EJ25 NA performance, youd literally be the first person ever to say that in recorded history. Hell, my 2006 Saab 93 Sportcombi wagon i got laying around puts down more horse and torque stock than most BRZ's do with intake and exhaust mods. Could be because my saab runs a Mitsubishi Heavy Industries turbocharger stock, a Td04-14T, a similiar if not exact same mitsubishi turbo subaru used on all of its early to mid 2000's bug eye WRX's and STI's. My point is, you bought not only the wrong individual car, but the wrong subaru overall. Perhaps one of their most dissapointing "driving enthusiast" models ever. Still, I watched the whole video and I enjoyed the editing and commentary, good photography work and decent editing. So thanks. I left a like on the video for your time and quick response.
Totally hear you. To be fair, after the engine replacement, it took on a full season of autocross beating without a single hiccup. Engine is definitely strong on the rebuild. But you make valid points. We bought the car for a purpose and specific autoX class, which was the original intent of the BRZ in the first place: go racing/auto crossing with it. Check out the rest of the BRZ series in the playlist on our main page. We’ve now gone all in on Volvo project cars due to how popular they’ve been on our channel and the Volvo community. Check out those builds as well. Funky cars, sound AMAZING. Appreciate you watching and thanks for the like! Cheers dude.
I dont believe "its used therefore it will die sooner". My question will be, how is it at 147k kilometers, an NA boxer engine, blows up and needs rebuild as if its a rotary? I have mine at 90k used and suddenly it needs new FIs.. i abuse my 14' mazda3 200 kilo 5 days a week at 190k kilo mileage it still doesnt need expensive repairs
Umm not exactly. Just about Every single light aircraft engine is a flat 4 or 6 too. Super reliable, they have to be. Also Porsche and Subaru are no more unreliable than anything else. All comes down to maintenance.
When buying a *later-model used car there is much more of a gamble than say when buying an 80's to early 2000's used (Japanese) one (like a single-owner 2005 is300 with 100k that runs excellent and can potentially make it to 300k+, just saying).
sounds like the recall wasn't done on this one. That's why it got fixed id imagine. there is a recall on the rocker arms . they just pop off. But its a gamble getting the recall because they use silicon to reseal the valve covers and if they use to much it ends up getting sucked up in you oil pick up and starve your engine of oil and destroy your bottom end. I have a high milage frs with 117k miles and the recall hasnt been done. I havent decided yet. I hear it isnt worth it if it hasnt happened yet with m high miles and risk the gasket pieces clocgging my oil pick up
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I feel your pain. I know exactly what it's like to buy a used car cheap, only to have it fail and crap out on you and have some major issues all within a week. It's a terrible feeling.
I bought a new GT86 (FRS) back in 2013. Kept it just 6 months within this period, spigot clutch bearing broke, steering rack issues and numerous rattles coming from areas I could not locate. Got rid of it before any major failure and I can only imagine that car is probably sitting in some workshop ready for some major repairs. Stay away from these cars they will run you dry when they fail. Don't think you'll be getting a tough old Toyota that's cheap to run and repair. Those days are gone.
You bought a first year model of a new vehicle what do you expect that's with Sony first gen look at the nd1 miata and all its issues
subaru - one like and I will blow up my head gasket
Lol
There's a recall on WRX's and STI's from 2014 - 2017 currently, bearing issues.
The main bearing is failing in select Subaru engines prematurely. Subaru has a recall out extending warranties to get it fixed. I did not receive a letter and my STI is highly modified. I'll have to replace the short block and many other parts to get it going again. I know that Subaru has a few claims against them for this issue.
@tyvek05 Even new ones are blowing them, they didn't fix the issue.
@@NetomaMusic If you're in the market for something that is reliable you should avoid Subaru and Mitsubishi. Very fun vehicles to drive but not for someone that can't fix their own vehicle or someone who doesn't have extra income for maintenance.
If you're looking for something reliable and fun to drive, get yourself a used manual transmission Lexus. They are hard to find, but worth the search.
70 years ago, valve spring failure was a risk. WTF are Subaru thinking installing cheap springs in this day and age.
2014 Toyota Highlander here....60k....broken valve spring....$6k repair. Google Toyota valve spring....
The same history the spring valve in v6 3.5L 2006 2007 Lexus is350 Avalon Camry etc 3.5L
It's the supplier's fault. Subaru finally found the cause!
First gen, they don't know it going to be a hit.... Supra, anyone....
Just some advice, do not run 0w20 with these fa20 motors. I have a 2013 brz and within 2 years iv had cam sprocket issues, one of which I had to replace. After that expensive repair a few months down the road my car went into limp mode and got the code p00016(I think) cam slow response bank 2. I brought the car into a local shop and the mechanic cleared the code and asked if I was using 0w20 which I was using. He suggested I should be using at least a 30 grade oil and said that the sprockets are sensitive to oil pressure and 20 was not providing enough for the cam gears to work properly. I ended up getting an oil change done and now 3 months in I have never had any issues and the motor seems more punchy than before
I am currently dealing with this P0016 issue. How much did it cost to replace your cam sprocket?
@@ardikasulistija6574 Oh man.. The repair bill was over $2700 (Canadian) including labor at Subaru. This repair included many different parts to replace including an ECU replacement due to a glitch in 2013-2014 models
I drove a gt86 for 3 years, i think that the 0w20 oil was much more punchy. It ran very smoothly on 0w20, have no idea about reliability though cos i sold after short period.
Why used 0w20.........? It for ECO car..... and winter.....
@@Kimoharoun 0w-20 are lighter than normal 5w30 one. It is good for cool weather. But it evaporated quickly so you need to top up more often.
I'm over here with my WRX feeling bad for my Subaru family.
Still feeling bad for you considering WRX's have glass transmissions and non forged internals
@@alexinaviation that may be true for tuned cars. Not stock thank goodness. Appreciate the comment.
Thanks for making this vid. Im looking to buying a BRZ soon. Im usually against buying new, but after watching this makes me wanna be new instead of used.
Why do I get the feeling a shift was missed? If this was a newer car which had an ROB feature in the engine ecu….. this video wouldn’t have been made. This guy should blow the entire service department at the dealer.
I remember when these cars were the darling of the industry. I bought into the hype and got a Firestorm FR-S manual in 2013 within weeks of their release. Everyone on TH-cam was doing videos on them. Dozens of them showed up at autocross and HPD events. It was awesome at first minus the conservative tune. Then I started getting issues like everyone else. Improperly torqued axel nuts, fuel pump TSB, clutch pilot bearing squealing, and ended with a spun rod bearing. Such disaster and disappointment. Got rid of it halfway through 2014 for a Camry V6 which remains completely solid with zero issues. It’s sad what these cars are ultimately going to go down in history as. There was so much potential and good intentions on there.
Sorry to hear. I never have a single problem in my 2014.
You got the first iteration of the car and wanna bash.. should have got a few years after been in production
I have 2015 gt86 that I have been using for drifting and have had zero problems
@@user-sk4wf3ve6z Glad it’s working out for you. Seems 50% of them that come into our shop have issues and 50% are trouble free. Hoping yours continues to run well with zero issues, knock on wood.
@@anthonymoy4471 First iteration of my MR2 Turbo still running strong on the stock block and head. First iteration of my Integra GS-R had zero major problems. This is the first car I ever bought and witnessed so many problems with both mine and others that came into our shop. Not to mention the engine related recalls for a significant population of the cars across several years of production. Glad yours works great, and hoping it continues to do so.
Subaru has to recall 400,000 vehicles because of bad valve springs in the cylinder head. This includes the Brz shown in the video and of course the Toyota Scion Frs
alegroman yup they’re waiting on a judge approval
Toyota fuck up more the repair and right now they still working on it.....
EURO GANG, Subaru is a fringe company what do you expect lol
@@JonDoe-yc6uz the car was designed by toyota.
Not subarus fault at all.
Donz Milky Subaru supplied the motor. The motor is the issue.
Being the first owner is the best because u are the first one driving it and you know how u drive it. Never get a used sports car because some people race the hell out of them
Check the fuel consumption. If its super high the owner is a wannabe racer.
Wow thanks for sharing glad the dealership had your back even without a warranty. Cause now we got to enjoy 14 episodes of ProjectBRZ! Is there really no consumer protection from dealership bought cars with no warranty? 11500 loss is difficult to swallow after 6 days of ownership plus that repair bill would have put cost to buy and fix 21354.40!!! Almost the price of a brand new one lol. That would be huge setback for a normal enthusiast.
I believe there is actual consumer protection. In NJ used car lemon law, you’re supposed to have a warranty based on the mileage of your car. I believe a 30 day warranty for under 100K Miles. The thing was I signed an “As-Is” disclosure which technically waived that. DUMB Thing to do, hindsight being 20-20. However, I question whether that as is disclosure actually holds up, as in the dealership was on the hook anyway rather them actually looking out in my best interest. Someone smarter than me at consumer laws should chime in here
Thanks for watching btw!
-Hansen
It’s almost cheaper to buy a new engine and get it installed lol.
Jamie B Put a Honda engine in it.
The parts are literally a brand new engine .
If you blew up the fa20. Night as well do a swap for cheaper and more power. Unless his warranty paid and he is pretending he paid. Cause no one in their right mind actually buys everything in pieces to fix the car unless doing it themselves or something. Swap in another fa20 or swap it for a k24 or something.
Marshall Street i blew valve stems on my Honda at 48k miles. So yea rethink that.. thanks god I had warranty..
5000 dollars cheaper
All you Subaru Bashers out there may have some case. Here is what i can say from personal experience. I have a 2010 Outback. It has 170K miles on it. Oil change every 5K miles like clockwork with mobile 1 full synthetic 5W30. It is my teenage daughter's main driver. It has survived the totaling of an Audi A4 and hit an escort pretty hard. Daughter never got a scratch from either accident. I bought it used and because I wanted a reliable tank for a new driver. I got what I paid for. Oh yes Subaru replaced the torque converter under an extended warranty when the car had 120K miles. If that isn't a company that stands behind their cars and customer I don't know what is.
I was within hours of pulling the trigger on a '19' Crosstrek, then within a few hours of making that commitment, the recall was announced. I was aware of the head gasket issue and also have heard over the years that some mechanics will not work on Subarus. Frankly, I do not need any additional hassles in my life, so I went back to the car that has been the most hassle free in my 32+ years of car ownership, the KIA Soul. My original Soul (2010, bought new) has over 225k miles and is still rollin strong so I just popped for another Soul, primarily for cross country travel, keeping the original for driving around town. While the Soul is not sexy, in my experience, like the original VW Beetle, give 'em a little TLC and they will run forever. At the end of the day, it's about reliability and not dumping a ton of cash into repairs once the warranty expires. I was disappointed about the Subaru recall as I have heard many good things about their products, though most of the reviews and comments were regarding their older models. I guess my Guardian Angels were on the job that day.
Different engine.
The FA20 had some teething issues for the first few years and gave Subaru a black eye that will take some time to recover from.
I take it this was a used car. It's really impossible to blame anyone unless you know how it was taken care of.
I'm surprised engineers nowadays can make an engine reliable, but... we all know Subaru management made the decisions to go down the cheaper route.
How do u mean? They did replace everything, is there a better option?
@@chickenpax1 meaning engineers have the know how to make an engine durable, if it's not durable it's often the management department that makes these decisions. Too bad Subaru is normally good.
@@smokingbeetles5793 now i get what ur saying, and ur absolutely right. Their old stuff used to be better quality
Nowadays, they just used what they know to be reliable. And dumb down using plastic part to light the car up and make a little money in future.
Pretty sure a new (used) engine would've been a better buy than $10k in piece parts.
I would've just swapped a 2jz into this for 10k lmao
A 2j swap for 10k, LOL good luck
@@Tenaciousdomi with no ac, doors, windows amd it’ll work 😂
depending on where he is in the country he could get it impounded if he gets caught, then there goes your investment and fun
nahh rb or ls
‘2jz swap for 10k “lmao” ‘
Okay kiddie…school is in a few hours make sure you don’t stay up too late.
10k worth of work into the car and still not over 250 whp dam that is no fun😒
BRZ sucks.
For 10 grand he could almost pay for a k24/20 swap
@@MrJrod899 for 10k he could of bought a car with the swap already done 😔
First thought before watching was why not drop a used engine in. That's an eye watering price tag hahaha.
KKaWing 10K easily buys you a nicely rebuild FRS/BRZ’s or he could’ve gotten a wrecked one pulls the engine, rebuild it and sell the parts.
@ boxer engine in it i bet?
I have a 2013 FRS. no problems yet its now 2023. I feel like any car, any make, anywhere, can break down at any time. This is more about a car that broke down.
I wonder what the previous owner did to make that happen. It must've gone unnoticed by the dealer you bought it from. Good thing they stood behind the car.
I bought my last car, an FR-S, from CarMax. They had a 30-day full warranty and stood behind it, no problem, giving me a loaner while they made the car good. These were body problems, though, not engine troubles. In addition, there were rattles in the body, which Toyota made good on for free, also with a loaner. It's been 8 1/2 years with no further issues.
In 1972 I had a similar problem with a used 1969 Porsche 912 I bought from a Porsche dealer. The engine had a knocking sound which they said was normal for an air-cooled car. I'd had VWs before that, also air-cooled, and squinted but bought their story. Six months later and across the country, I found out that was rod knock, probably at least one loose wrist pin. I called the dealer, who seemed like they might do something for me, but I was about to go on a WestPac deployment so I just traded the car for a VW bus.
Yeah, main gasket just blew up in my limited STI and the dealer said it would be over 8k out of pocket to fix. I will be calling Subaru directly.
The dealer issued $500 coupon toward services and parts.
Fengtien1 F
I had a gt86. Done 33500 kms from new before it broke down. From there the bills piled in. Coilpack.. injectors.. bcm... engine ecu... injectors again... all for a cool 10k. Not including the cluth slipping, smoke out the exhaust and the valve spring tsb.
Norman T.S. Chong maybe if you knew how to drive manual clutch wouldn’t start slipping early
My gt86 just failed today engine started knocking out of nowhere after work. Making a call to my Toyota dealer in the morning.
I want the SVX to be built again
I used to have a 92 LSL and loved it
I want another one, only updated
Everyone’s FA20 is blowing now a days I need to plan what to do if mine goes one day... engine swaps will be this cars main purpose in the future/:
Raycorr49 Put a Honda engine in it.
@@39Hundred ya but maybe he wants to go fast , so the Honda engine is out lol 4g63 fastest 4 cylinder 6.20 229 or fastest AWD 4 cylinder 7.04 215 .
Jerry White my Honda F22C disagrees
Who ever thought subaru engines would last forever anyway lol
Not really just the early models, which goes to show don't buy the first year production models. Luckily mine has the 2017 updated motor in it so Subaru had a 5 year time period to have a good and long look at the engine and make the right revisions.
Never ever buy a used sports car, unless you know the previous owner.
Amen
06 STi with 118k miles, 330awhp. No issues
What was the build date of this vehicle ? What date did you buy it ? How many miles were on the car when you bought it, just 6 days prior to engine problems ?
I see now from previous video car had 93,000 miles on it when you bought it used.
Parts are so cheap in the US.Here in Australia parts would cost twice as much.
Yeah but ya gotta think about the cost difference between USD and AUD
I bought a 2013 Scion FRS in 2017. Since then, I've had one engine swap, which I used my warranty to replace, but as of 8/30/2021, that used engine has blown too. It is currently at the dealership and they're looking to quote me on a used or new engine to now replace that one. Biggest regret of my life as I am still financing it from 2017. I don't even think I want to replace the second engine to be honest. I want to just say to hell with it. Any advice would be welcome.
Fix it and sell it.
Yes, fix itself it, cut your losses.
How's it running years later?
My son has a 2013 scion FRS the motor spun a rod bearing at 125,000 km. I am a mechanic so I’m fixing it but I blame the 0w20 oil causing the problem. You can actually see where the rod bearing has rubbed the crank
Has your son had any problems after that? I just bought a 2013 brz with 107k km yesterday
Honestly why didn’t you just buy a wrecked FRS/BRZ from IAAI or Copart you could’ve pulled that motor rebuild the engine and sold the other parts I’m sure you could find a FRS/BRZ expert that can lend you a hand in fixing that car you could’ve saved a ton of money? Then again I can’t blame you at least you have that peace of mind from the stealership.
I can see many of these Twins having blown engines especially earlier models down the road, many of these kids are neglecting oil changes are so critical on these cars especially. Just like the Z’s and G series many are trashed and neglected.
So all this work was done as “good will” by the dealership. So I didn’t have to fork out anything. If I had to do it myself, I’d probably scrap the project and look for something cheaper, or decide to go full engine swap. I’m SUPER happy the dealership did the right thing and fixed the ugly situation.
-Hansen
ShiftingLanes awesome I’m glad they took care of you kudos to that dealership. I was concern initially that you had to fork out that much given how strong the Twins community really is. Makes me miss my 15 FRS love to come back and get another one eventually.
I bet you just miss shifted it and over revved it and caused the problem
112boatman or either kids that neglected oil changes.
@@iheartgs400 I am in the same boat as you. Sold my gt86 and still miss it till today. I have bought a more capable car in the s2k, but the gt86 has a special place in my heart.
I sold my WRX before anything blew up. I don't trust Subaru anymore.
Seems like the 2013-2014’s are cursed. Have a 2015 FR-S with 50K been solid for 2 years with the turbo kit that’s being the original owner giving lots of care and maintenance done.
So lets properly inform people at the start of the video ya? that you purchased a used BRZ with an unknown history. You're buying an enthusiast car, a highly modifiable car at that.. and you just spent the money without knowing the history. You're gambling. I've owned two and have not had a single issue. Please please please let people make their own decisions and inform them of the correct way to buy a car with knowledge behind them and not just lust and a burning hole in their pocket.
I purchased a brand new 2013 BRZ. It has had an immaculate service history. At 56k 5 years my valve spring broke. About 1 year ago. Subaru refused to cover it. So I sold my immaculate 2013 BRZ with 56k on it to Carmax for $9000. Last month I received a recall notice for valve springs. Subaru is dead to me. Good luck with your BRZ's.....it is a fun car with a garbage poorly designed engine.
What a HUGE lost.😫
New/Used cars can break down.......always get a extra warranty,I think you did the right thing buying the cheaper one.
6 days old? What happened to the warranty?
When I blew my 350Z engine, my fault not the car, I was quoted 6K to repair it. I looked around and found a totaled 350Z (rear end damage) bought it for 1K and payed around 1K for a direct motor swap. Problem solved. Totaled car also had 50K less miles. Sometimes buying a parts car is cheaper than new repairs
All things considered then, would you recommend to buy from this dealership? I am not too far from this dealership and they also have great prices on new Impreza
They’ve helped me out immensely so definitely recommended. There was no fighting them about anything. They just took care of the situation, no questions asked... except for asking what I did prior to the engine blowing up. In terms of the buying process they were very painless. Highly recommended
-Hansen
Mine spun a rod bearing after 150k km, owned it since new and was bone stock, literally driven it hard so rarely. Now looking for a used engine
I would contact Subaru HQ, and demand reimbursement for repairs. They already have a recall in effect regarding the valve springs, which when cracked or broken, would cause damages similar to your car condition.
When buying a Subaru expect problems with the engine furthermore you actually got a deal by them replacing everything for free now you have practically a brand new car other than Electronics of course and transmission
Lesson can be learned from this all avoid buying a modded FRS/BRZ that used to be boosted or is boosted because the FA20 is really a ticking time bomb.
Yeah. It’s a big gamble, and like I said in the video, a lot of people might find the low price appealing (just like I did), but it’s hard to know what really went on before you buy it. Definitely do a lot of inspection, but there is still only so much you can do. Just budget for these fixes and plan ahead. Thanks for watching!
-Hansen
ShiftingLanes exactly best tip I can tell folks is get it from someone that appreciates these cars. Despite my FRS being rebuild giving buyers open transparency on what was done to the car overall does wonders.
ShiftingLanes you lucked out bro. I lost a combined 9k buying two used Mazda 6’s with worn engines so I went and purchased a new Honda Civic with six miles on odometer. LESSON LEARNED!!!!!!
Always get a sports car new. Never get it used. Never know how much people be smashing the gas pedal on them
Jim Her agreed, but it can go for any car especially if the engines or transmissions have any issues with longevity. Most people are too lazy and cheap to take the best care
You said they found broken rocker arms ... but were there any broken valve springs? If so, since Subaru is recalling these for valve spring failure maybe they will reimburse your cost to repair this engine. Could be the root cause of your engine failure was a failing valve spring.
Who's commenting and are 4 decade's old\wise? Here's the thing, you can be a noob and say "Subaru does a recall" and because of said recall is my proof "this is why Subaru sucks". When you get wise we realize a recall is the right thing to do and makes Subaru even better. So many manufacturers wont admit when they messed up. Enjoy the recall!
Was looking at a WRX. After many stories about subaru blowing up I went with my civic si and love it
I've got both a 2015 wrx & an 2018 civic si and I'm more worried about the oil dilution problem with the civic than anything. You know about that issue don't you?
@@waynes.2983 nah I don't look at 10th Gens. I got a 9th gen si lol k24
I blew up my motor on 97,000 kilometers.
It was a second hand car and I got it about 3 months before it happened. Mines a 2012 gt86. The engine is now from a 2014 brz/86 and it was all covered under warranty. If it was I would have looked at putting a 2jz in it
Not sure if you covered this but did they say what could have caused that damage ?
I have a 2013 FRS ONLY 19,000, bought it brand new needs new driver side lifters, $5,000.00! Do you think my car is worth keeping after it is fixed.
Common issue of subaru cars are valve spring, dont.buy subaru today
markalious man you don’t know about Subaru keep walking nigga
@@oscardejesus9760 Oscar you fucking baby, Keep trying to convince people Subaru engines aren't garbage as fuck lmao
and head bolt configuration and design.....junk !!
@@oscardejesus9760 everyone and their mother knows Subaru engines are garbage.
@@oscardejesus9760 they did get the best 2.0l engine in 2007. idk how
recently went through the J02 recall for the valve springs on my FR-S. Do you happen to have the engine rebuild invoice in PDF or higher quality format from your youtube video? Please feel free to block out any personal data obviously, but would greatly benefit from this as I have had some quotes range from $6,000 to $8,000.
I guess this just enforces the rule of thumb, when a new vehicle comes out never get the first model years of them. I want the brz or 86 next but when I look for them I set the model year to 2017 and newer. Play it safe and stick to the later models that are better sorted out along with the rusty door frame issues that got fixed later on too.
Not necessarily, I have a 2013 brz that was recalled for this exact problem, 160,000km and going strong but not everyone was smart enough to take their cars in for the recall and now they're paying for it.
6 days or not it's a high mileage used car and the cheapest one you could find in the country.
What year and how many miles were on this heap?
13' with 93k miles/150k km
@@crankypipo im at 99,670 still no problems except with a pulley knocking got that replaced and nothing else
@@tacticalplayer6337 im at 90k, 3rd owner with already having to replace warped pilot bearing, clutch, skim flywheel and a possible faulty throttlebody :(
Dont let that bother you too much, the parts are abundant as long as you learn the ins and outs from someone who cares about them dearly. Or learn the hard and expensive way like i did going to incompetent dealership workshops because i cant find good references
@@crankypipo throttle body is on top bro that ones easy to work with and yeah for the clutch and flywheel I'd recommend to take with a shop unless you have a lift/heavy jacks to support the car
Say what u want but god those newer mx5s are nice
But they look sooo ugly.
They piqued at the NB and have just been going downhill ever since as far as looks go.
400,000 2013 ,2014 Subarus are being recalled for valve spring problems. That is what happened to my 2013 BRZ at 56k miles.
Subaru of America is located not far from Cherry Hill NJ.
Did you properly break in the engine without bagging it ?
drivingANDjiving # did you watch the video? It was bought used
How many miles when this happened?
You got a good deal on labour at least
So no explanation as to why it happened, just that "it was used and I had no idea what happened." so..... was it boosted, was it tuned at returned back to stock, was it raced then sold, how many miles are on the car, were those miles high stress, was the engine tuned lean or rich, ect. I got no information from this vid other than the vague "this is what happens to used cars." Just a thought; if you buy a car totally unknown, no carfax, no service records ect; expect that the previous owner abused the hell out of it, I feel like thats common sense. Also, you had the whole engine pulled apart and didn't ask them "why did this happen" or "what would cause this to happen again?" You have no other information for your audience other than "dude, my car with no info broke and it costs $10k to fix it; good thing the dealer took care of it." Also, if it's a project car, that needs a replaced motor, why not use the chance to throw the WRX engine in it?
how do u come up with 1500 labor? it has to cost more than that unless u do all the work.
It is good will work. Us Tech gets paid peanuts for warranty work..
How much was the car? Like what did you buy it for?
I used to love Subaru but definitely wont be owning any more. Big end bearings, ringlands, headgaskets, piston slap issues come as standard...I'm not joking, its only a matter of time.
Buying a used performance car is always higher risk than buying a bad used car. Also, Subaru is known to have engine issue, so I wouldn't buy one if I can afford it.
These videos blow. You still didn't tell us why the motor blew, just how much. Rocker arms have not been a problem in this car unless they are boosted. What actually broke?
Lots of little details, zero information.
Probably the first owner boosted the hell out of it
How many miles where on it?
it sounds like they just bought a new crate motor and put it in because that would be the simplest thing to do from the dealership side of things
Still own the car? Also, diggin' those wheels!
What year is this brz ?
Should have been a long block and never rebuild like this.
Subaru giving Toyota a bad name with their half assed engines. I have an 86, love it, love the flat 4 too but c'mon it is dated and underpowered.
Toyota and Subaru said they are definitely currently working on a new generation, I cannot wait. I have a 2017 Toyota 86 automatic love it! so far no issues
i hate the brz but i like your car with the good color synergy and bodykit choices.
why do you hate it, its a really good car?
Sorry this happened to you... shouldve gotten a Civic Si even at 150k miles it will run better than a BRZ/FRS hands down.
But it's evan slower
Idiot theyrr not even comparable
Guys this is what i advise everyone, dont buy a 2013 model. I used to have a 2013 gt86, my engined chirped in traffic like it was a 1988 honda civic. Just buy the refreshed model which has the updated tail lights in addition to a better suspension.
Did you have a warranty??
was it a 2013 sir ?
Guy at my last job had an older WRX. Motor made a weird sound on the freeway and then it seized up. Turned out to be a crank bearing. He had a used motor put in and within a few months the same thing happened to that motor. Luckily he had a warranty so engine #3 seemed to be alright. That and multiple other issues makes me not trust Subaru’s.
Haha then buy a Ford, I have 2 Subarus one was bought with a salvage title I fix it, mostly body work, and after 34 thousand miles it still working flawless with just regular maintenance
Alexandro Cedillo Rivera he actually traded In a Ford for that car that he had to have a head gasket replaced on. Maybe he just had bad luck with cars. My other friend has an STi that runs great 130k no motor problems.
I face palm everytime i hear somone say...yea I got a real good deal on this....lol you always get what you pay for
Boy am I glad I have a warranty.
Ryan Raub Subaru has been known to dodge warranty replacements. There’s currently the world class lawsuits open on them.
Why are you thanking them. It’s a defective engine. They’re supposed to replace it for free. That’s what a recall is.
How many miles was on your BRZ?
Scotty mentioned this... About Subaru recalling cars due to issues. Man sorry to hear this. Hope they help you with the bill
Wait a second... only 1 short block?
Time for a 1jz swap
Realistically, it's not just those cars. Even low end cars are prone to fail under the hands of the wrong owners.
a sport car with an engine first engineered in the late 18 century
Holy crap. Your 360p video looks like 720p for me. MAD PROPS M8! *subs*
sooo... when do you want to schedule the eye check?
40 days and they think plugs n packs are gonna fix what I assume had to be such an obvious rattle.
WTF Subaru.
Me IRL: A brand new Honda Civic Type R Turbo crate motor costs, brand new, $6500 bucks. For literally everything. Add another $1500 for install labor, and for $8000 total you get a real motor (not a trash EJ25, subaru engines arent bad, but the bored out EJ25 is essentially a landmine). Lets say you need another $2000 dollars for a tansmission bell housing adapter to mate the Honda motor with the subie trans, and a new Hondata management system/wiring harness. So, in conclusion, for $10,000 you couldve made an absolute unit of a monster. Instead, you spent $10,000 on restoring a stock EJ that makes a max of 205 horse TO THE CRANK, not even the wheels. You, my friend, seriously messed up.
It was free, so....
@@ShiftingLanes Ahhhhhhhh ok, you seriously lucked out then. Most people cant orchestrate a deal like that. Heres my revised 2 cents. I get this video happened a while ago, but if you still have the car definitely sell that brick and then buy a better car. Or even a better subaru for that matter. My buddies completely bone stock 2011 Subaru Outback 3.6R H6 leaves the BRZ at a stand still and has high enough NA torque to walk it at higher speeds. Rolls, digs, itll beat the BRZ "sports coupe" every pass. Granted his outback has the 5EAT trans, none of that CVT garbage, but a walk is a walk (we aint talking track day handling, just engine performance in general, testing against BRZ platform done on a fresh set of Nokian WRG-3's). The turbo applications Subaru offers arent bad either, and at the end of the day if you got stuff for free you should just pony up and buy a cheap supercharger kit with your own money, no handouts this time. If you say youre fine with the stock EJ25 NA performance, youd literally be the first person ever to say that in recorded history. Hell, my 2006 Saab 93 Sportcombi wagon i got laying around puts down more horse and torque stock than most BRZ's do with intake and exhaust mods. Could be because my saab runs a Mitsubishi Heavy Industries turbocharger stock, a Td04-14T, a similiar if not exact same mitsubishi turbo subaru used on all of its early to mid 2000's bug eye WRX's and STI's. My point is, you bought not only the wrong individual car, but the wrong subaru overall. Perhaps one of their most dissapointing "driving enthusiast" models ever. Still, I watched the whole video and I enjoyed the editing and commentary, good photography work and decent editing. So thanks. I left a like on the video for your time and quick response.
Totally hear you. To be fair, after the engine replacement, it took on a full season of autocross beating without a single hiccup. Engine is definitely strong on the rebuild. But you make valid points. We bought the car for a purpose and specific autoX class, which was the original intent of the BRZ in the first place: go racing/auto crossing with it. Check out the rest of the BRZ series in the playlist on our main page. We’ve now gone all in on Volvo project cars due to how popular they’ve been on our channel and the Volvo community. Check out those builds as well. Funky cars, sound AMAZING.
Appreciate you watching and thanks for the like! Cheers dude.
I dont believe "its used therefore it will die sooner".
My question will be, how is it at 147k kilometers, an NA boxer engine, blows up and needs rebuild as if its a rotary? I have mine at 90k used and suddenly it needs new FIs.. i abuse my 14' mazda3 200 kilo 5 days a week at 190k kilo mileage it still doesnt need expensive repairs
That is the common problem with flat engines, reliability. That is why many car manufacturers stick to straight or V engines.
Umm not exactly. Just about Every single light aircraft engine is a flat 4 or 6 too.
Super reliable, they have to be.
Also Porsche and Subaru are no more unreliable than anything else.
All comes down to maintenance.
When buying a *later-model used car there is much more of a gamble than say when buying an 80's to early 2000's used (Japanese) one (like a single-owner 2005 is300 with 100k that runs excellent and can potentially make it to 300k+, just saying).
Cool now sell the brand new engine and throw in an RB!!! Yeaaaa!!!!!!
He'd only get at most 3 Gs for that shit motor
that price is not too bad.
Get rid of that car before the engine blows up again
Too bad this engine was used😭 i really wanted this car. It could have been epic.
sounds like the recall wasn't done on this one. That's why it got fixed id imagine. there is a recall on the rocker arms . they just pop off. But its a gamble getting the recall because they use silicon to reseal the valve covers and if they use to much it ends up getting sucked up in you oil pick up and starve your engine of oil and destroy your bottom end. I have a high milage frs with 117k miles and the recall hasnt been done. I havent decided yet. I hear it isnt worth it if it hasnt happened yet with m high miles and risk the gasket pieces clocgging my oil pick up