@@BRAVENEW_WORLDfor DLCs it's quite simple you have to find the CIA file for your game's region and load it through citra (there are quite a few guides online for that), but Priam is a Spotpass character wich makes it a bit harder, there seems to be ways using an editor though (there is a reddit thread on it but I haven't tried it yet)
Ike didn't die in Tellius he died in another land or continent. Because end of radiant dawn said Ike left Tellius. So it is very possible for Priam to be a descendant of Ike even if he's water down version.
the epilogue of Radiant Dawn states that Ike went on a journey to "lands still unknown," which is probably referring to areas of the continent that were unexplored, not that he left Tellius. There aren't even other continents that Ike could have gone to because the rest of the world was flooded by Ashunera hundreds of years prior to the events of Radiant Dawn.
@@jamesphillabaum1970 Hatari is part of Tellius, it's just isolated from the rest of the continent by the Desert of Death. Tellius was not entirely explored but Yune explicitly said Tellius was the only continent left, so Ike couldn't have found Archanea or Valm or whatever on his journey without involving some retconned outrealms BS.
@@davey_rulez7301I think they believed that no other continents existed but i don’t know that there are confirmations from either goddess or dghinsea (i think he was around for the great flood) that no other lands are left in their world
"Once he saw stability returned, Ike left on a journey to lands still unknown. He was never seen again." That is Ike's epilogue in Radiant Dawn. The only thing that is possibly amended onto that is Soren's epilogue if he has an A support with Ike, "When peace had settled on the land, Soren packed lightly and set off with the only person he had ever trusted." The "lands still unknown" likely, at least partially, refers to the Outrealms. Priam would not have had to come from the Outrealms himself, if Ike did. As far as having a cracked and/or weaker version of Ragnell, possibly one that can't use the sword beams any longer, the Fire Emblem series, as a whole, isn't afraid to let divine weapons wane in power over time. So it very likely could be the same Ragnell, just at a lower strength.
Imo it makes the most sense for Ike to travel to Hatari after Radiant Dawn. The outrealms weren't established by the time of radiant dawn's development so I find the idea that he travelled to the outrealms kind of annoying because it's clearly not the intent. Imo he must have just been curious to see how Hatari society doesn't discriminate and had a thirst for exploration and the unknown in general. This becomes headcanon but I like to think that he didn't stay there permantly (because the idea of him leaving the greil mercenaries behind forever is sad imo, especially Mist) and in his later years worked to unify Hatari to the rest of the continent.
@@jokx4409 Well that would be traveling to lands that are known though. I think even when I was young I got the impression that he left Tellius. Seeing if there are other areas like Hatari that everyone assumes don't exist anymore. And while I agree that having him go to the outrealms probably wasn't the original intention it is some cool emergened storytelling and nice fanservice. Of course there are a lot of people who can't accept Priam because they are very invested in the Tellius setting or prefer to look at Awakening's bonus characters as non-canon in general, but I like the concept of him. A bit of a shame he wasn't fleshed out more.
I'd like to add that Ranulf also has the possibility to accompany Ike in his alternative ending. After seeing Skrimir crowned as king, Ranulf set off on a journey, saying only, "There's so much I haven't seen." I like it less than him staying at Skrimir's side, but I figured it would be worth mentioning.
I think Priam coming in after a conga line of dead people you can recruit really gives you an answer: it’s just a fun reference and an excuse to make a super difficult mission with a good reward
Something else to consider: Panne. She's a beastwoman, just like the beastmen from the Tellius games. She implies most of the beastmen species are extirpated in Archanaea, which is consistent with some not unsimilar narratives from Tellius. Unlike the Werewolves and Kitsune from Fates, her animal form is actually just a monstrous rabbit and not a folkloric monster.
People like to point at Priam using Rangell as a way to show he’s related to Ike, when in actuality, neither it nor Alondite are weapons locked to his bloodline. Therefore, _anyone_ with considerable strength could theoretically use Ragnell. Doubly so if it’s been weakened after so many centuries.
Didn't Ike give Ragnell back to Begnion because it's a national treasure ? I know he does at the end of path of radiance, but can't remember for radiant dawn... When Sanaki gives it back to Ike in Radiant Dawn I don't remember what she says, if it is temporary for the time of the war or not.
I just chuck Priam, as well as all of the Spotpass characters, as non-canon. For one, the time that these characters' paralogues are available is a time in the story where the characters are mid-teleport to Grima's back, so there's no time frame that they are available to logically get. They also break so many plot aspects, like how Emmeryn got away from falling off a height that great with only amnesia, or how Aversa had this other plan in place so soon after her supposed "death". I just say that these characters are the equivalent to the Creature Campaign in Sacred Stones, where it's the game giving you a way to play certain characters, but they aren't meant to be canon to the story. It's also why the Spotpass characters are so bare-bones and only have supports with Robin; it's a fan service nod to let you play as and potentially romance those characters, without actually making their place among your ranks a canon event.
You gotta love how people just end up using head canons trying to explain him "Oh he's from Mist's side of the family" or "Ike and Soren got a surrogate mother" Literally stuff that can't be proven or disproven. I could say Ike and Soren got together, broke up, then Ike got a wife and had children with her and it's still just as plausible as the stuff people have been repeating for literally a decade now.
Way i see it ragnell being seperated from it's lands and gods, just degraded to what priam holds now. Even the falchion had to be reforged into the distinctly different blade it is in awakening to survive the ages and priam is almost looking like a hobo knight, probably doesn't have money to get ragnell sorted out.
What may've happened: The Myth of the Radiant Hero may've vagely reached the new lands one way or another, with the only proof of it being Ragnell. Either Ike or Mist descendants had the Actual Sword or maybe a replica. Best case scenario the descendants kept the Sword all the time or it was given to/stolen by others. At some point the belief that the family that had the Sword are Ike's descendants is born. After enough generations pass, Priam is born.
We're also ignoring the other glaring issue with the idea that Priam is a direct descendant of Ike: Ike is gay gay homosexual gay and he, Ranulf, and Soren have a gay polycule
This question can only be pondered in a world where Awakening succeeded in revitalizing interest in the franchise. If we were in a world where Awakening was the last game as intended people wouldn't be asking questions about whether he's telling the truth, but rather paying respects to IntSys for making a homage to the Tellius games (as weirdly parasocial as that sounds) and arguing who Ike married instead (answer is Soren)
I could definitely get that he's a descendant of Ike considering their similarities: - Both have similar designs and classes - Both use the Ragnell - Both love meat - Both have very stoic, intense, and blunt personalities - Both are leaders of a mercenary force - Both are well respected, both inside and out of said mercenary force. Honestly, him being Ike's descendant isn't that much of a stretch. Only reason he might not be his canonical descendant is because of certain... relationships by the end of Ike's story, which could very well just be a general and his most trusted companion getting away from the conflict. A companion who honestly has no desire to be buddy buddy with anyone on the entire continent of Tellius.
@@hornedskullasmr7811 From what I learned in Xenoblade chronicles, if the question is on whether or not the catboy is canon or not the answer is "Yes, he loves you and all you guys"
My fan theory is that the Tellius games are actually the earliest point on the timeline for the shared Fire Emblem world, and the other worlds (apart from Elibe!) are all other continents that were covered in the great flood, and later explored.
In the Tellius games, an illegitimate child of a Goldoan and Daein ends up in Gallia which is never explained, and a member of the imperial family of Begnion who was supposed to be assassinated ended up in Daein which was never explained. Nothing about Volke is ever explained. Trying to explain anything about Priam is putting far more thought into Tellius than the original developers ever did.
I don’t think we were ever supposed to acknowledge this guy’s existence? Like especially since awakening was supposed to be the last game so Priam is just a guy who name drops Ike just to get that Tellius representation in the script
The straight agenda. Not gonna lie though, I find him kind of cool, it's just sad that most of him is overshadowed by discourse about either wether he is canon, or wether it confirms something about Ike's sexuality.
I've always just Assumed Ike was Bi, gay-leaning, and decided to raise a kid with his Gay romance, if you prefer him being gay. Considering how unromantic he is period, literally anything is possible.
@@matthewsimon6170 I've always seen Ike as being Ace/Aro. He wasn't interested in pursuing a romantic relationship with anyone. All his supports seem to be platonic.
One thing to note, Awakening has the Missiletain, a identical replica of the FE4 holy weapon. So Replicas of weapons from other games are already existing canon before Priam ever came out
If Priam's Ragnell is the real one... where is Alondite ? We know that in the tower Ike takes Alondite because he and Micahia fell the two swords wanting to be together, so Ike would never have separated them. So either he left Tellius with both swords, or with none. I doubt Sanaki would happily leave 2 of the biggest national treasures of her country be taken somewhere unknown. But let's say she is ok with that, forgetting that Radiant Dawn tells us that she asked Ike to give back Ragnell at the end of Path of Radiance... where is Alondite? someone lost it ? Was it stolen ? Priam having the real Ragnell asks more questions than it answers... On one hand we have an argument with only one condition : this Ragnell is a fake. On the other hand an argument with 3 : Sanaki in the end didn't care of the national treasures of her country, Alondite got lost, Ragnell lost its power. While all of this is possible, I tend to go for the argument with the less conditions attached to it, and see Priam as a liar. But I can see tha argument of him being the real deal. The only confirmed truth is that we don't have enought informations to have a definitive answer, and Intelligent System seem to not care enought about Priam to give these informations.
Big reason I’d think Priam is either a liar or from Mist’s line (aside from Ike only being able to end up with men) is Ragnell. Ike doesn’t really view Ragnell as his own weapon. Between PoR and RD he returns it to Sanaki, and if he won’t take it between those two games I highly doubt he’d take it to another continent. Beyond that, he hates being recognised, and famous, no way in hell would Ike talk about his exploits in Tellius after leaving there. So I really doubt anyone descended from him would even know him as the Hero of Blue Flames or whatever other title you want. Priam seems to me, someone who more likely heard the legends of Ike in Tellius, possibly descended from Mist, possibly not, and decided to try and recreate the legend so to speak. It kind of explains why he’s this more up himself guy (at least by what Heroes shows). He either got the old, ruined Ragnell or created his own copy and tried to mantle Ike’s legend. At least that’s the reading that makes most sense to me (still not a lot, Priam being in Archanea is weird AF)
I'm a "Priam shouldn't be considered canon when looking at the tellius games" guy, but even I have to point some things. To be fair, by the end of radiant dawn, Ike has used Ragnell a LOT. In path of radiance he uses it for a week max, while in radiant dawn he used it for an entire war (against daein) plus a week for part 4. Heck, in endgame part 3, Yune specifically mentions that Ike should bless Ragnell over any other weapon because "it fits him" or "he's used to it" or something. Now, is this just an explanation to force the player to bless the Ragnell so his final blow against Ashera is consistent with the cutscene? I'm 99% sure the answer is yes lol. And while I agree Ike wouldn't try to be recognized as a hero or something, I could absolutely see him talk about stories from the 2 wars he's experienced to people close to him. It's not about wanting to be recognized or seen as a hero, it's just the idea that people will end up talking about things they've experienced before if you hang around them long enough unless they cousciously avoid it. Ok maybe I'm just a fanboy who likes the idea of a bunch of kids begging Ike to tell stories about his adventures around a campfire. MAYBE.
I've always saw the Priam situation as both sides being dicks and thinking they're a victim to the other side's hatred. I'll be honest and say that Ike just doesn't seem like the kind of guy to get married. He shows no interest in anyone romantically and his hug with Soren and support with Elinica is very clearly meant to be seen as platonic. With that, I hope IS never confirms or debunks Priam being Ike's direct descendent because whichever side wins will be insufferable about it, making us the losers of this situation. I just can't believe a character who was meant to just be a reference to a beloved protagonist in what might have been the last game of the series caused this much of a controversy.
Let's push back on some of these 1. In fire emblem there are two kinds of skills, Hereditary, And then learned Since aether is gotten from a secret scroll it's easy to say aether is something learned rather than inherited 2."He could be mists descendant" there is many reasons this has issues, Notably, His heroes dialogue aligns closer with Ikes, And ragnell does not belong to mist to begin with, It's far more likely Ike would have kept ragnell and mist if she got anything, Would have gotten urvan as a keepsake of her father 3.The geography is a Non-Issue Ike takes off to explore at the end of RD and if you look at the map of tellius, It's clearly surrounded by ocean, As most FE maps are, It's easy to just say that Ike boarded a ship to explore a foreign continent, It's also just as easy to say he went east from daeinn After all, Rafiel, Nailah, And Volug are from that direction and the clothing shares a lot of simmilarity with people like hardin who look like they come from a desert 4. "The ragnell doesn't shoot lasers" In fire emblem we actually have seen examples of why this could be the case, Option 1. Major/Minor holy blood, It's possible Priam just has minor holy blood he inherited instead of major like Ike would presumably have, 2.The crests, It's possible that Priam was simply not born with the ability/crest, We see with sylvain and his brother that the same family can just have recessive crest genetics, So either way the sword laser excuse feels flimsy at best and this is especially considering Ike's mother has Heron blood which I believe to be why Ike can use ragnell at all, Priams heron blood could be very weak by the time of awakening as herons were near extinct 5.On this topic, Mist can equip swords but cannot use ragnell either, So why would we assume mists descendants can use ragnell at all when it's never been shown that mist can?
1. Ok but why did he learn Sol and Luna instead of Aether if you use Ike as an example of someone learning Aether? They could have given it to him. Ike as both a Spotpass and DLC unit has it, afterall. 2. Valid 3. Valid 4. There is absolutely 0 reason why Ike would have a matching holy blood/crest with Ragnell either, as Ragnell and Alondite are the swords of Altina, the Beroc founder of Begnion. The Alondite, mind you, works perfectly fine in anyone's hand, so we have absolutely 0 reason to believe it not working properly is due to some holy blood stuff. 5. Because Gameplay wise it's Ike's personal weapon and therefore tied to him, its twin, Alondite works perfectly well with Mist and we would have no reason to believe Ragnell wouldn't. This is like arguing only a game's Lord can use a Rapier, they're the only person in the entire world who can use that generic ass sword. Meanwhile, something like Falchion, Holy weapons and Crest weapons all are explicitly shown to not function properly if wielded by anyone else. Sidenote, the Missiletain exists, which is an exact replica of the FE4 weapon. So Replicas of weapons from other FE games are indeed fully canon in Awakening
4. Ragnell shooting lasers could also be cut content and being thrown could be a placeholder that never went away. It just looks so janky and that is the last of the DLC so the proper animation probably never made it.
Just a reminder, FEHS OFFICIAL VIDEO CLAIMS ‘OH SO HE SAYS’ like they’re not confirming it themselves. He’s a spotpass character, so non canon. Boo hoo weep about it.
Have you seen the different design of the Falchion between shadow dragon and awakening? It's a completely different sword yet the game treats it as the same one.
Apparently the blade is the same, it’s just the hilt that changes but like…lol Also, always felt weird that Falchion required a chosen bloodline to wield considering that Anri was just…gifted it after passing Gotoh’s trial in FE3.
@@emblemblade9245 If you remove the entire hilt and the golden part in the center of Awakening Falchion's blade and compare it with the original Falchions blade from FE1 the blade actually does look the same. And for Falchion needing a chosen bloodline I don't think that came up in any of Marth's games, and in Awakening it is caused by Naga giving her blood to the first exalt when he asked her to restore Falchions lost power thats what the exalt brand represents if I remember correctly. I also think The Falchion in Echoes had a bloodline requirement as well but I don't remember the explanation, I believe it was on one of the tablets in the post game dungeon or the memory prism thing.
Headcannon: The Reason it looks like that is because Naga combined both Marth's & Alm's Flachions for the First Exalt of Ylisse. A blade twice as thick & split off towards the handle where the blade spine would be. Because they reeeeeeeeaaaaally needed to make sure Grima could at least be incapacitated by it, or something.
I mean. He is Ike's descendant and came from an alternate universe. He was never made to make logical sense. Just make PoR fans have some fanservice since this was supoosed to be the last game of the series.
The Jugdral games also take place in the same world as Archanea and Valentia. Loptous was a surviving Earth Dragon from the War of Liberation (the backstory one with Anri) who became a Shadow Dragon like Medeus did, and Naga obviously gave her blood and body in pacts and holy weapons alonogside other dragons to the Crusaders. Tellius lore lines up the least with any other Fire Emblem game due to the Great Flood. Tellius is meant to be the only surviving land-mass in their world and it would take an astronomical amount of time for the waters to recede and to properly settle on the new land, on top of the centuries it would take to get to the Archanea games, the centuries more it would take to get to the Exalt, and the centuries more after that it would take to get to Awakening. Marth is considered a folkloric character in Awakening, so it would make no sense that Priam would even know the story of Ike to lie about being a descendant of him. Also Ike is totally gay
True but thats also assuming that natural phenomena would follow the flood. If we know anything about fe its that after a long period of time its always possible for something unnatural to happen that can affect the layout of the land. Either by the gods, dragons, or people of the land. I do think Priam was included moreso as a reference/fan service vs. being an actual well thought out character; but if we really wanted to connect Tellius to the Akaneia games, there are still plenty of creative ways to do that.
I never thought much about Priam's status as Ike descendant, just that I couldn't get him because I emulated Awakening and was too lazy to mess with the files
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Priam is from a SpotPass Paralogue. If you want to say that these are canon, then you also have to say that Emmeryn surviving a ~100 meter fall is canon. That Gangrel, Walhart, and all these other SpotPass characters surviving and joining up with Chrom are also canon.
It's 100% intentionally obfuscated, even in FEH his description just says "a man that claims to be a descendant of the radiant hero" or something along those lines, probably to create this type of discussion
There is actually a very obvious way that Awakening could be Priam's world while not being Ike's. It has been ages since Ike's stuff, so one of his descendants could have crossed through the outrealms and Priam was actually born in Awakening's world. I'm pretty sure Chrom pretty explicitly called Ike a "hero from another world" too, which backs up this claim. Not that I acknowledge Priam's existence as cannon, but if you care to makes sense of him this would be it.
My headcanon has always been that Priam was just a huge mythology nerd and decided at one point to roleplay as one of the "descendants" of one of his favorite heroes
My headcanon was that Ike traveled here from an out realm gate. I didn’t know that was blatantly not true till watching this video. Upon hearing that I was scratching my head harder and just said “Well crap.”
About Priam not being able to get aether, I have a couple of different theories: firstly, it could very well have to do with the fact that they didn't want to give it to him because, unlike the other units that get the skill that aren't related to Chrom, Priam actually has supports with other characters in the game -- the other characters that get it are specifically recruited from other games through other means, and there are a LOT of characters, heroes and villains alike, that can be recruited this way, but have no meaningful interactions with anyone else. The reason why this is important is because these other characters don't exist in the time of Awakening -- if this was different, then it stands to reason that Priam and Ike would likely have been given supports of some kind. That in mind, it stands to reason that Priam, although related to Ike most likely, is probably not his direct decendant: this would explain both why Priam cannot use aether (despite having the 2 skills that make it up), and also can't use the sword beams with Ragnell, although the latter could be explained by it only being able to be channeled by certain special users -- this version of Ragnell isn't exclusive to any one character, and you can even get additional copies of it from the Infinite Regalia dlc map, too. The other explanation, as weird as it may sound, is that Priam can't use aether because he's a guy: besides Chrom, the only recruitable characters that can use it (that can have support conversations with other characters) are girls -- Lucina inherits the skill from Chrom automatically, and the same is true of Kjelle and Cynthia if Chrom marries Sumia or Sully, respectively. Notably in this case, these 3 girls I mentioned all get aether from Chrom automatically, regardless rather or not Chrom actually had learned it prior to recruiting them: fot those not in the know already, the last skill on a parent's list of skills they have equipped is passed down to their child during their recruitment paralouge, meaning that the parent must have learned the skill first, but this is not true for Chrom. The reverse also applies to Chrom's sons -- Brady, Inigo, or Morgan, respectively -- these 3 all inherit rightful king instead, and just the same as aether being passed to his daughter, Chrom doesn't have to know rightful king before being able to pass it: this, in turn, suggests that these skills are more easily accessible to one sex or the other, with Chrom and Lucina being the only 2 units that can get both, although you will have to level them up in the great lord class to level 15 to get both. TL:DR -- Priam is probably not a direct decendant of Ike (though I don't personally believe this makes Ike gay, he could just as likely be asexual, and people just want to believe he's gay), and the fact that he's a guy rather than a girl could be making it harder for him to learn aether as opposed to sol and luna. I could be wrong on this, but that's just my take
Eh, him lacking certain skills (like Ether or the ability to shoot sword beams) doesn't need to mean that he isn't related, it could just mean that he simply hasn't managed to obtain said skills yet. Who says that he couldn't combine Luna and Sol into Ether if he trained? Who says he couldn't learn how to shoot sword beams if he trained?
Ike most likely traveled through the outrealms and ended up in Chrom's world. Whoever Ike left behind must have been told about Tellius and he doesn't have a canonical pairing. If Priam really is his descendant he must have settled down with someone from maybe Marth and Alm's era or way after that
In a series of magic, time travel, mythological creatures,etc. I very well would believe Soren found a way to make a magic baby with Ike. Theres also a surrogate, but thats not genetically fun. Priam is never going to make sense and the funniest part is in heroes Ike really did not care. He basically gave him a thumbs up and told him to take good care of Ragnell.
Isn't chroms sword the same as marths? They didn't even have a similar design so the difference in swords between priam and ike can easily be overlooked
iirc the reason Falchion looks so different in Awakening is because the sword had to be reforged due to battle damage and weathering over the ages. I've also heard the theory that Valentia's Falchion was recovered and combined with the Archanea Falchion to try and stave off its power gradually decaying over time. Ragnell is a weird case where it's technically one of a kind, but the sword itself is nothing special. It's not a legendary weapon because of what it's made from (unlike Falchion which was made from Naga's fangs), it's legendary because it was one of two swords wielded by the hero queen Altina (and then Ike). Besides it's history, it's a sword like any other
My Theory Is that after Ike left the country with his Emo or Furry Boyfriend and that Ike Gave back Ragnell to Sanaki ( i think he did that in the canon ) Either a familly of rogue stole it or once the place became ruins it got found by a family who kept it has their precious tresure trouout the generation and has the years past some missinformation was spearing in the family lineage connecting this weapon to the fact that Ike Holded it thinking that Ike was a descendent even tho he's not
Priam is not Ike’s blood descendant simply because we know Ike couldn’t have spawned any children with his wonderful *husband* Soren Did I type this just to cause anger to certain people on the internet? Probably! But hey, let’s be real, Ike and Soren likely ended up spending the rest of their lives together, romantically or not.
The Doylist take is that Awakening is just full of shallow, poorly thought out fanservice and cute little head-nods and we should give its canonicity as much credit as the devs honestly intended.
Personally I like the theory that Ike stumbled upon the outrealm gates and that's how he ended up in the Altean/Ylissian world. That said I also subscribe to the theory that Ike is gay and that Priam isn't actually related to Ike (technically he never claims to be)
Priam is really a boring character in my opinion, feels forced and bland even in awakening. Due to the nature of that game and how it was suppoused to be the last one I ironically kinda consider it whole non canon in the way that it comes back as the last game, with Priam specially being just ignored lol. To many leaps and bounds to make sense of it, also dislike how it flat out steals stuff like the deathlords and does nothing with it, the game as a whole it's just references and its okay like that.
People love justifying homophobia with his existence (the possibility of Ike and Soren being a couple) but forget that Priam himself do not specify which type of descendant (lineal or collateral), so he can be from Mist's line. Also, Ike wouldn't be the first or last man to be in a same sex relationship who also had children with an external woman.
I'm still working through the games but idk at all how people get soren x ike aside from hard shipping because he doesn't get a dedicated love interest.
I think the area between “not agreeing with an unconfirmed ship due to personal headcanon” and “not agreeing with an unconfirmed ship due to homophobia” isn’t a perfect overlap (as in, not everyone who doesn’t ship IkexSoren is homophobic, but people who deny the very possibility of it may be)
@@tbc1880 Without spoiling much, I play both PoR and RD , the only indicative of a possible homo romantic interest between these two is with an optional scenario between Ike and Soren that requires a few things to trigger, and essentially is a scene where Ike hugs Soren and tells him he is the closest person to him (being one of the only two times where we see Ike being physical affective) Now, If you ask me , I see Ike more of an Aromantic / Asexual character, he truly doesn't show a single time any interest in a romantic relationship and the only things that seem to tickle his pickle are to fight strong opponents and eat meat. In regards of Soren to me it seems that he indeed loves Ike but due his social awkwardness and tragic past he doesn't know that what he feels for him is love, after all I remember Soren advising Aimee (a merchant that was interested in Ike) how to get Ike's attention , which let me to believe that he doesn't have a sense of romantic jealousy.
It's funny that people will say Priam doesn't 'exist' to keep the Ike x Soren a thing. FEH has updated quite a few character's personalities with things like Forging Bonds, etc...and introduced more details about many different characters. My head canon is that Priam is Ike's Descendant...doesn't need to go farther than that to explain an agenda I didn't ask for. Hell for all I care, Amy could have raped Ike in the Tellius world and gave birth to one of Ike's offspring.
In a presentation I did on the history of queer representation in the fire emblem series (because im autistic and this is what i do with my free time) i brought up how terrible Awakening is about it and had a slide dedicated to Priam’s existence attempting to retcon Ike’s queerness, and the slide is literally titled “Priam (Derogatory)”
@@JordiumZ oh wait, sorry, i can’t read, but still. characters could get married, and several games had baby making. Genealogy was about baby making, and therefore, about sex. Ike having descendants would be implying that he had sex with a woman (or trans man/enby). Plus, Ike can only have paired epilogues with men, in a game where those are mostly romantic. Ike was meant to be queer, the game was as explicit about that as it could be in 2005. I think Ike was meant to be gay, as even when they tried to set him up with elincia in the english translation he didn’t seem to be really interested in her. Priam’s existence IS a retcon.
@@felix6694if your intention is to show that ike doesn’t have much interest in women, you’d be mostly correct but if your intention is to prove that ike is into men, that is a matter of pure headcanon. which you’re allowed to have, obviously it’s a popular speculation, but it’s silly to claim it as anything definitive.
@@yoshifan52 Yeah, for the most part I agree, but I do truly believe Ike being AT LEAST bi was author intention. If you disagree, that’s fine, but I don’t believe it’s a head canon.
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Chrom: Who are you?
Priam: I'm the Grandson of the Grandson of the Grandson of the late Ike.
Chrom: … who tf is Ike?
Lucina: Well, I'm the Granddaughter of the Granddaughter of the Granddaughter of the late Marth!
@@salty4266 Oh, that's fine. It'd be different if you were the granddaughter of the granddaughter of the granddaughter of the live Marth!
I can't believe Priam is now lost media
it's not, you just have to sail the high seas
@SteeleJohnson-o7u but I don't know how to get DLC through the Seven Seas :(
@@BRAVENEW_WORLD hshop using a jailbroken 3ds
@@BRAVENEW_WORLDThere’s a subreddit for 3ds… sailing that can teach you. It’s pretty easy, I just don’t want to send links. TOS and all.
@@BRAVENEW_WORLDfor DLCs it's quite simple you have to find the CIA file for your game's region and load it through citra (there are quite a few guides online for that), but Priam is a Spotpass character wich makes it a bit harder, there seems to be ways using an editor though (there is a reddit thread on it but I haven't tried it yet)
Ike didn't die in Tellius he died in another land or continent. Because end of radiant dawn said Ike left Tellius. So it is very possible for Priam to be a descendant of Ike even if he's water down version.
the epilogue of Radiant Dawn states that Ike went on a journey to "lands still unknown," which is probably referring to areas of the continent that were unexplored, not that he left Tellius. There aren't even other continents that Ike could have gone to because the rest of the world was flooded by Ashunera hundreds of years prior to the events of Radiant Dawn.
@@davey_rulez7301 maybe Tellius has an outrealm gate like Fates/Awakening. Maybe a god interfered. Either way, Ike and Soren are gay!
@@davey_rulez7301 Did you completely forgot about the other continent that Nailah the wolf queen comes from
@@jamesphillabaum1970 Hatari is part of Tellius, it's just isolated from the rest of the continent by the Desert of Death. Tellius was not entirely explored but Yune explicitly said Tellius was the only continent left, so Ike couldn't have found Archanea or Valm or whatever on his journey without involving some retconned outrealms BS.
@@davey_rulez7301I think they believed that no other continents existed but i don’t know that there are confirmations from either goddess or dghinsea (i think he was around for the great flood) that no other lands are left in their world
"Once he saw stability returned, Ike left on a journey to lands still unknown. He was never seen again." That is Ike's epilogue in Radiant Dawn. The only thing that is possibly amended onto that is Soren's epilogue if he has an A support with Ike, "When peace had settled on the land, Soren packed lightly and set off with the only person he had ever trusted." The "lands still unknown" likely, at least partially, refers to the Outrealms. Priam would not have had to come from the Outrealms himself, if Ike did. As far as having a cracked and/or weaker version of Ragnell, possibly one that can't use the sword beams any longer, the Fire Emblem series, as a whole, isn't afraid to let divine weapons wane in power over time. So it very likely could be the same Ragnell, just at a lower strength.
Consider the fact that the Black Knight's armor also weakened over time due to the use of warp powder and the Ragnell cleaving through it.
@@ResurgentRaven And also how part of the story of Awakening itself is what they have to do to re-awaken the power of the Falchion.
Imo it makes the most sense for Ike to travel to Hatari after Radiant Dawn. The outrealms weren't established by the time of radiant dawn's development so I find the idea that he travelled to the outrealms kind of annoying because it's clearly not the intent.
Imo he must have just been curious to see how Hatari society doesn't discriminate and had a thirst for exploration and the unknown in general. This becomes headcanon but I like to think that he didn't stay there permantly (because the idea of him leaving the greil mercenaries behind forever is sad imo, especially Mist) and in his later years worked to unify Hatari to the rest of the continent.
@@jokx4409 Well that would be traveling to lands that are known though. I think even when I was young I got the impression that he left Tellius. Seeing if there are other areas like Hatari that everyone assumes don't exist anymore. And while I agree that having him go to the outrealms probably wasn't the original intention it is some cool emergened storytelling and nice fanservice.
Of course there are a lot of people who can't accept Priam because they are very invested in the Tellius setting or prefer to look at Awakening's bonus characters as non-canon in general, but I like the concept of him. A bit of a shame he wasn't fleshed out more.
I'd like to add that Ranulf also has the possibility to accompany Ike in his alternative ending.
After seeing Skrimir crowned as king, Ranulf set off on a journey, saying only, "There's so much I haven't seen."
I like it less than him staying at Skrimir's side, but I figured it would be worth mentioning.
I think Priam coming in after a conga line of dead people you can recruit really gives you an answer: it’s just a fun reference and an excuse to make a super difficult mission with a good reward
Wasn’t he not that good in awakening I remember a lot of people on serenes forest back in the day being upset that he was like just okay or something
@ he’s fine there wasn’t a ton left to do when I got him so I only used him so much, but granted I only did the free dlc
Counterpoint: I like him.
Valid
Can't argue that
I thought he was gonna get his own game. I kinda hoped for it, too.
Something else to consider:
Panne. She's a beastwoman, just like the beastmen from the Tellius games. She implies most of the beastmen species are extirpated in Archanaea, which is consistent with some not unsimilar narratives from Tellius. Unlike the Werewolves and Kitsune from Fates, her animal form is actually just a monstrous rabbit and not a folkloric monster.
Notably, Priam's FE heroes profile says he *claims* to be Ike's descendant.
Maybe that's just what his family always used to say, or they are descendants of Mist, Ike's sister.
What does the JP version say? As I'll take that as localization fuckery till then.
@@Practitioner_of_Diogenes 'apparently' a descendant, which also implies some level of ambiguity.
People like to point at Priam using Rangell as a way to show he’s related to Ike, when in actuality, neither it nor Alondite are weapons locked to his bloodline. Therefore, _anyone_ with considerable strength could theoretically use Ragnell. Doubly so if it’s been weakened after so many centuries.
We are not saying him using it proves that he’s Ike’s its him having it at all means he’s Ike’s seeing that he took it with him when he left Tellius
Didn't Ike give Ragnell back to Begnion because it's a national treasure ? I know he does at the end of path of radiance, but can't remember for radiant dawn... When Sanaki gives it back to Ike in Radiant Dawn I don't remember what she says, if it is temporary for the time of the war or not.
@@cynaxis4002 Sanaki said he can keep it at the end of radiant dawn seeing it as a fitting reward for all he’s done
I just chuck Priam, as well as all of the Spotpass characters, as non-canon. For one, the time that these characters' paralogues are available is a time in the story where the characters are mid-teleport to Grima's back, so there's no time frame that they are available to logically get. They also break so many plot aspects, like how Emmeryn got away from falling off a height that great with only amnesia, or how Aversa had this other plan in place so soon after her supposed "death". I just say that these characters are the equivalent to the Creature Campaign in Sacred Stones, where it's the game giving you a way to play certain characters, but they aren't meant to be canon to the story. It's also why the Spotpass characters are so bare-bones and only have supports with Robin; it's a fan service nod to let you play as and potentially romance those characters, without actually making their place among your ranks a canon event.
You gotta love how people just end up using head canons trying to explain him "Oh he's from Mist's side of the family" or "Ike and Soren got a surrogate mother" Literally stuff that can't be proven or disproven. I could say Ike and Soren got together, broke up, then Ike got a wife and had children with her and it's still just as plausible as the stuff people have been repeating for literally a decade now.
The spotpass stuff is just fan service
Or... He's not canon and is just fanservice. Especially considering he wasn't written by the same writers as Radiant Dawn
@@Ash_Wen-li he exists, therefore his canon
@@Ash_Wen-lithat’s sounds like cope to me.
being from Mist's side of the family is infinitely more plausible, given that she actually has an ending where she gets married
Way i see it ragnell being seperated from it's lands and gods, just degraded to what priam holds now. Even the falchion had to be reforged into the distinctly different blade it is in awakening to survive the ages and priam is almost looking like a hobo knight, probably doesn't have money to get ragnell sorted out.
What may've happened:
The Myth of the Radiant Hero may've vagely reached the new lands one way or another, with the only proof of it being Ragnell. Either Ike or Mist descendants had the Actual Sword or maybe a replica. Best case scenario the descendants kept the Sword all the time or it was given to/stolen by others. At some point the belief that the family that had the Sword are Ike's descendants is born. After enough generations pass, Priam is born.
We're also ignoring the other glaring issue with the idea that Priam is a direct descendant of Ike: Ike is gay gay homosexual gay and he, Ranulf, and Soren have a gay polycule
This question can only be pondered in a world where Awakening succeeded in revitalizing interest in the franchise.
If we were in a world where Awakening was the last game as intended people wouldn't be asking questions about whether he's telling the truth, but rather paying respects to IntSys for making a homage to the Tellius games (as weirdly parasocial as that sounds) and arguing who Ike married instead (answer is Soren)
>Soren.
Only virgin redditors think Ike is gay.
I could definitely get that he's a descendant of Ike considering their similarities:
- Both have similar designs and classes
- Both use the Ragnell
- Both love meat
- Both have very stoic, intense, and blunt personalities
- Both are leaders of a mercenary force
- Both are well respected, both inside and out of said mercenary force.
Honestly, him being Ike's descendant isn't that much of a stretch. Only reason he might not be his canonical descendant is because of certain... relationships by the end of Ike's story, which could very well just be a general and his most trusted companion getting away from the conflict. A companion who honestly has no desire to be buddy buddy with anyone on the entire continent of Tellius.
mpreg confirmed real in fire emblem yay!
Tho...who carried him...Soren or Ranulf?
Hey, if Byleth can somehow be Rhea’s grandchild and mother at the same time, why not lmao
@@hornedskullasmr7811 From what I learned in Xenoblade chronicles, if the question is on whether or not the catboy is canon or not the answer is "Yes, he loves you and all you guys"
This is the only correct possibility for Priam to fit in the story.
Not to mention Sitri was made by Rhea with magic @NagapediaFE
My fan theory is that the Tellius games are actually the earliest point on the timeline for the shared Fire Emblem world, and the other worlds (apart from Elibe!) are all other continents that were covered in the great flood, and later explored.
I mean, who's to say that every blue hair FE lord isn't a descendant of some other blue hair FE lord
I feel like Priam is kinda like Samto or Shannam but with actual good combat and acting skills so he never gets called out
I think Priam truly believes he's Ike's descendant, but he may be incorrect.
The battle to face priam and get him was absolutely wild 😂
In the Tellius games, an illegitimate child of a Goldoan and Daein ends up in Gallia which is never explained, and a member of the imperial family of Begnion who was supposed to be assassinated ended up in Daein which was never explained. Nothing about Volke is ever explained.
Trying to explain anything about Priam is putting far more thought into Tellius than the original developers ever did.
I don’t think we were ever supposed to acknowledge this guy’s existence?
Like especially since awakening was supposed to be the last game so Priam is just a guy who name drops Ike just to get that Tellius representation in the script
The straight agenda.
Not gonna lie though, I find him kind of cool, it's just sad that most of him is overshadowed by discourse about either wether he is canon, or wether it confirms something about Ike's sexuality.
"The straight agenda." IS makes Priam look alike a Fusion between Ike and Soren.
I've always just Assumed Ike was Bi, gay-leaning, and decided to raise a kid with his Gay romance, if you prefer him being gay. Considering how unromantic he is period, literally anything is possible.
You can still knock up someone even if you are gay. All it needs is some alcohol.
@@matthewsimon6170 I've always seen Ike as being Ace/Aro.
He wasn't interested in pursuing a romantic relationship with anyone. All his supports seem to be platonic.
@@matthewsimon6170 Also, Priam could be descended from Mist's lineage where one of her descendants also decided to leave the continent of Tellius.
One thing to note, Awakening has the Missiletain, a identical replica of the FE4 holy weapon. So Replicas of weapons from other games are already existing canon before Priam ever came out
If Priam's Ragnell is the real one... where is Alondite ?
We know that in the tower Ike takes Alondite because he and Micahia fell the two swords wanting to be together, so Ike would never have separated them. So either he left Tellius with both swords, or with none. I doubt Sanaki would happily leave 2 of the biggest national treasures of her country be taken somewhere unknown. But let's say she is ok with that, forgetting that Radiant Dawn tells us that she asked Ike to give back Ragnell at the end of Path of Radiance... where is Alondite? someone lost it ? Was it stolen ? Priam having the real Ragnell asks more questions than it answers...
On one hand we have an argument with only one condition : this Ragnell is a fake. On the other hand an argument with 3 : Sanaki in the end didn't care of the national treasures of her country, Alondite got lost, Ragnell lost its power. While all of this is possible, I tend to go for the argument with the less conditions attached to it, and see Priam as a liar. But I can see tha argument of him being the real deal. The only confirmed truth is that we don't have enought informations to have a definitive answer, and Intelligent System seem to not care enought about Priam to give these informations.
It'd be hilarious if he was actually Pelleas' descendant.
Paris actually sounds like pelleas
Big reason I’d think Priam is either a liar or from Mist’s line (aside from Ike only being able to end up with men) is Ragnell. Ike doesn’t really view Ragnell as his own weapon. Between PoR and RD he returns it to Sanaki, and if he won’t take it between those two games I highly doubt he’d take it to another continent.
Beyond that, he hates being recognised, and famous, no way in hell would Ike talk about his exploits in Tellius after leaving there. So I really doubt anyone descended from him would even know him as the Hero of Blue Flames or whatever other title you want.
Priam seems to me, someone who more likely heard the legends of Ike in Tellius, possibly descended from Mist, possibly not, and decided to try and recreate the legend so to speak. It kind of explains why he’s this more up himself guy (at least by what Heroes shows). He either got the old, ruined Ragnell or created his own copy and tried to mantle Ike’s legend. At least that’s the reading that makes most sense to me (still not a lot, Priam being in Archanea is weird AF)
I'm a "Priam shouldn't be considered canon when looking at the tellius games" guy, but even I have to point some things.
To be fair, by the end of radiant dawn, Ike has used Ragnell a LOT. In path of radiance he uses it for a week max, while in radiant dawn he used it for an entire war (against daein) plus a week for part 4. Heck, in endgame part 3, Yune specifically mentions that Ike should bless Ragnell over any other weapon because "it fits him" or "he's used to it" or something. Now, is this just an explanation to force the player to bless the Ragnell so his final blow against Ashera is consistent with the cutscene? I'm 99% sure the answer is yes lol.
And while I agree Ike wouldn't try to be recognized as a hero or something, I could absolutely see him talk about stories from the 2 wars he's experienced to people close to him. It's not about wanting to be recognized or seen as a hero, it's just the idea that people will end up talking about things they've experienced before if you hang around them long enough unless they cousciously avoid it.
Ok maybe I'm just a fanboy who likes the idea of a bunch of kids begging Ike to tell stories about his adventures around a campfire. MAYBE.
1:00 Aversa doesn’t exist
I've always saw the Priam situation as both sides being dicks and thinking they're a victim to the other side's hatred. I'll be honest and say that Ike just doesn't seem like the kind of guy to get married. He shows no interest in anyone romantically and his hug with Soren and support with Elinica is very clearly meant to be seen as platonic. With that, I hope IS never confirms or debunks Priam being Ike's direct descendent because whichever side wins will be insufferable about it, making us the losers of this situation. I just can't believe a character who was meant to just be a reference to a beloved protagonist in what might have been the last game of the series caused this much of a controversy.
Let's push back on some of these
1. In fire emblem there are two kinds of skills, Hereditary, And then learned Since aether is gotten from a secret scroll it's easy to say aether is something learned rather than inherited
2."He could be mists descendant" there is many reasons this has issues, Notably, His heroes dialogue aligns closer with Ikes, And ragnell does not belong to mist to begin with, It's far more likely Ike would have kept ragnell and mist if she got anything, Would have gotten urvan as a keepsake of her father
3.The geography is a Non-Issue Ike takes off to explore at the end of RD and if you look at the map of tellius, It's clearly surrounded by ocean, As most FE maps are, It's easy to just say that Ike boarded a ship to explore a foreign continent, It's also just as easy to say he went east from daeinn After all, Rafiel, Nailah, And Volug are from that direction and the clothing shares a lot of simmilarity with people like hardin who look like they come from a desert
4. "The ragnell doesn't shoot lasers" In fire emblem we actually have seen examples of why this could be the case, Option 1.
Major/Minor holy blood, It's possible Priam just has minor holy blood he inherited instead of major like Ike would presumably have, 2.The crests, It's possible that Priam was simply not born with the ability/crest, We see with sylvain and his brother that the same family can just have recessive crest genetics, So either way the sword laser excuse feels flimsy at best and this is especially considering Ike's mother has Heron blood which I believe to be why Ike can use ragnell at all, Priams heron blood could be very weak by the time of awakening as herons were near extinct
5.On this topic, Mist can equip swords but cannot use ragnell either, So why would we assume mists descendants can use ragnell at all when it's never been shown that mist can?
1. Ok but why did he learn Sol and Luna instead of Aether if you use Ike as an example of someone learning Aether? They could have given it to him. Ike as both a Spotpass and DLC unit has it, afterall.
2. Valid
3. Valid
4. There is absolutely 0 reason why Ike would have a matching holy blood/crest with Ragnell either, as Ragnell and Alondite are the swords of Altina, the Beroc founder of Begnion. The Alondite, mind you, works perfectly fine in anyone's hand, so we have absolutely 0 reason to believe it not working properly is due to some holy blood stuff.
5. Because Gameplay wise it's Ike's personal weapon and therefore tied to him, its twin, Alondite works perfectly well with Mist and we would have no reason to believe Ragnell wouldn't. This is like arguing only a game's Lord can use a Rapier, they're the only person in the entire world who can use that generic ass sword. Meanwhile, something like Falchion, Holy weapons and Crest weapons all are explicitly shown to not function properly if wielded by anyone else.
Sidenote, the Missiletain exists, which is an exact replica of the FE4 weapon. So Replicas of weapons from other FE games are indeed fully canon in Awakening
4. Ragnell shooting lasers could also be cut content and being thrown could be a placeholder that never went away. It just looks so janky and that is the last of the DLC so the proper animation probably never made it.
And I still married him
Just a reminder, FEHS OFFICIAL VIDEO CLAIMS ‘OH SO HE SAYS’ like they’re not confirming it themselves.
He’s a spotpass character, so non canon. Boo hoo weep about it.
Have you seen the different design of the Falchion between shadow dragon and awakening? It's a completely different sword yet the game treats it as the same one.
Apparently the blade is the same, it’s just the hilt that changes but like…lol
Also, always felt weird that Falchion required a chosen bloodline to wield considering that Anri was just…gifted it after passing Gotoh’s trial in FE3.
@@emblemblade9245 If you remove the entire hilt and the golden part in the center of Awakening Falchion's blade and compare it with the original Falchions blade from FE1 the blade actually does look the same.
And for Falchion needing a chosen bloodline I don't think that came up in any of Marth's games, and in Awakening it is caused by Naga giving her blood to the first exalt when he asked her to restore Falchions lost power thats what the exalt brand represents if I remember correctly. I also think The Falchion in Echoes had a bloodline requirement as well but I don't remember the explanation, I believe it was on one of the tablets in the post game dungeon or the memory prism thing.
Headcannon: The Reason it looks like that is because Naga combined both Marth's & Alm's Flachions for the First Exalt of Ylisse. A blade twice as thick & split off towards the handle where the blade spine would be. Because they reeeeeeeeaaaaally needed to make sure Grima could at least be incapacitated by it, or something.
I mean. He is Ike's descendant and came from an alternate universe. He was never made to make logical sense. Just make PoR fans have some fanservice since this was supoosed to be the last game of the series.
The Jugdral games also take place in the same world as Archanea and Valentia. Loptous was a surviving Earth Dragon from the War of Liberation (the backstory one with Anri) who became a Shadow Dragon like Medeus did, and Naga obviously gave her blood and body in pacts and holy weapons alonogside other dragons to the Crusaders.
Tellius lore lines up the least with any other Fire Emblem game due to the Great Flood. Tellius is meant to be the only surviving land-mass in their world and it would take an astronomical amount of time for the waters to recede and to properly settle on the new land, on top of the centuries it would take to get to the Archanea games, the centuries more it would take to get to the Exalt, and the centuries more after that it would take to get to Awakening. Marth is considered a folkloric character in Awakening, so it would make no sense that Priam would even know the story of Ike to lie about being a descendant of him.
Also Ike is totally gay
True but thats also assuming that natural phenomena would follow the flood. If we know anything about fe its that after a long period of time its always possible for something unnatural to happen that can affect the layout of the land. Either by the gods, dragons, or people of the land. I do think Priam was included moreso as a reference/fan service vs. being an actual well thought out character; but if we really wanted to connect Tellius to the Akaneia games, there are still plenty of creative ways to do that.
Soren fans still malding to this day lmao
I never thought much about Priam's status as Ike descendant, just that I couldn't get him because I emulated Awakening and was too lazy to mess with the files
2:33 - SHEPHERDING THE FLOCK, BABY! ABsolutely beautiful Awakening/Three Houses crossover, may be dead 😭but there's a LOT already and it's well worth it.
Priam is from a SpotPass Paralogue. If you want to say that these are canon, then you also have to say that Emmeryn surviving a ~100 meter fall is canon. That Gangrel, Walhart, and all these other SpotPass characters surviving and joining up with Chrom are also canon.
Characters have survived less in Fire emblem
counterpoint: priam is cool so he’s canon and there’s no real reason to think that it’s an “all spotpasses are canon or none are” framing
Yes, they are all canon.
I ship Ike x Elincia so Priam’s origin makes sense to me. Piram is one of their distant descendants who traveled the out realms.
I always found it hilarious that when Priam uses his Ragnell with 2-range he tosses it like a javelin
Most of these comments havent watched the video before posting... embrassing
It's 100% intentionally obfuscated, even in FEH his description just says "a man that claims to be a descendant of the radiant hero" or something along those lines, probably to create this type of discussion
Kinda wish Roy had an ancestor in Awakening. Regardless Priam should have the Aether skill.
There is actually a very obvious way that Awakening could be Priam's world while not being Ike's. It has been ages since Ike's stuff, so one of his descendants could have crossed through the outrealms and Priam was actually born in Awakening's world. I'm pretty sure Chrom pretty explicitly called Ike a "hero from another world" too, which backs up this claim. Not that I acknowledge Priam's existence as cannon, but if you care to makes sense of him this would be it.
I think Tellius isn't part of this world. Maybe Priam didn't travel the worlds, but someone before him probably did
My headcanon has always been that Priam was just a huge mythology nerd and decided at one point to roleplay as one of the "descendants" of one of his favorite heroes
Priam brought a lot of discourse without any specific action
My headcanon was that Ike traveled here from an out realm gate. I didn’t know that was blatantly not true till watching this video. Upon hearing that I was scratching my head harder and just said “Well crap.”
1:21 I soloed his whole army with just Severa lmao. I had all her stats maxed out, she had good skills...
The FujoSlayer is my favorite character, he makes many people boil by his mere existence
Ditto. For shredding the perverse dreams of the shippers, even if there is neither god nor buddha, I believe in Priam.
Fr, half the comments here are coping hard about that. 😂
About Priam not being able to get aether, I have a couple of different theories: firstly, it could very well have to do with the fact that they didn't want to give it to him because, unlike the other units that get the skill that aren't related to Chrom, Priam actually has supports with other characters in the game -- the other characters that get it are specifically recruited from other games through other means, and there are a LOT of characters, heroes and villains alike, that can be recruited this way, but have no meaningful interactions with anyone else. The reason why this is important is because these other characters don't exist in the time of Awakening -- if this was different, then it stands to reason that Priam and Ike would likely have been given supports of some kind. That in mind, it stands to reason that Priam, although related to Ike most likely, is probably not his direct decendant: this would explain both why Priam cannot use aether (despite having the 2 skills that make it up), and also can't use the sword beams with Ragnell, although the latter could be explained by it only being able to be channeled by certain special users -- this version of Ragnell isn't exclusive to any one character, and you can even get additional copies of it from the Infinite Regalia dlc map, too. The other explanation, as weird as it may sound, is that Priam can't use aether because he's a guy: besides Chrom, the only recruitable characters that can use it (that can have support conversations with other characters) are girls -- Lucina inherits the skill from Chrom automatically, and the same is true of Kjelle and Cynthia if Chrom marries Sumia or Sully, respectively. Notably in this case, these 3 girls I mentioned all get aether from Chrom automatically, regardless rather or not Chrom actually had learned it prior to recruiting them: fot those not in the know already, the last skill on a parent's list of skills they have equipped is passed down to their child during their recruitment paralouge, meaning that the parent must have learned the skill first, but this is not true for Chrom. The reverse also applies to Chrom's sons -- Brady, Inigo, or Morgan, respectively -- these 3 all inherit rightful king instead, and just the same as aether being passed to his daughter, Chrom doesn't have to know rightful king before being able to pass it: this, in turn, suggests that these skills are more easily accessible to one sex or the other, with Chrom and Lucina being the only 2 units that can get both, although you will have to level them up in the great lord class to level 15 to get both.
TL:DR -- Priam is probably not a direct decendant of Ike (though I don't personally believe this makes Ike gay, he could just as likely be asexual, and people just want to believe he's gay), and the fact that he's a guy rather than a girl could be making it harder for him to learn aether as opposed to sol and luna. I could be wrong on this, but that's just my take
Eh, him lacking certain skills (like Ether or the ability to shoot sword beams) doesn't need to mean that he isn't related, it could just mean that he simply hasn't managed to obtain said skills yet. Who says that he couldn't combine Luna and Sol into Ether if he trained? Who says he couldn't learn how to shoot sword beams if he trained?
My main theory is that Ike didn't have any child, but Priam is still related to him because he is descendant of Mist and Boyd
I am SO glad IntSys didn't name Ike "Paris"
Priam doesn’t have Aether so I question the validity of his lineage
I mean, the most well known person with the name of Paris to the west was not too admirable.
You know, starting the Trojan War and all.
Priam deniers just can’t accept that Ike is straight
He could be bisexual
@ only in your fantasies
@@be2957 Him being bisexual could allow him to have a descendant and still be with Soren or at least have been with Soren if it doesn't work out
@ all you’re doing is proving my initial comment but no Ike isn’t gay or bi just because someone has a best friend doesn’t make them gay
@@be2957 I don't care for the ship, but I'm saying that Priam doesn't prove ANYTHING. Gay people in the past did have children, if you didn't know
These comments took me on the worst roller coaster of my life holy shit
Ike most likely traveled through the outrealms and ended up in Chrom's world. Whoever Ike left behind must have been told about Tellius and he doesn't have a canonical pairing. If Priam really is his descendant he must have settled down with someone from maybe Marth and Alm's era or way after that
Let’s get priams FE game next. Take us back to tellius
In a series of magic, time travel, mythological creatures,etc. I very well would believe Soren found a way to make a magic baby with Ike.
Theres also a surrogate, but thats not genetically fun.
Priam is never going to make sense and the funniest part is in heroes Ike really did not care. He basically gave him a thumbs up and told him to take good care of Ragnell.
Really? 90% of engages cast is by far worse
Isn't chroms sword the same as marths? They didn't even have a similar design so the difference in swords between priam and ike can easily be overlooked
iirc the reason Falchion looks so different in Awakening is because the sword had to be reforged due to battle damage and weathering over the ages. I've also heard the theory that Valentia's Falchion was recovered and combined with the Archanea Falchion to try and stave off its power gradually decaying over time.
Ragnell is a weird case where it's technically one of a kind, but the sword itself is nothing special. It's not a legendary weapon because of what it's made from (unlike Falchion which was made from Naga's fangs), it's legendary because it was one of two swords wielded by the hero queen Altina (and then Ike). Besides it's history, it's a sword like any other
My Theory Is that after Ike left the country with his Emo or Furry Boyfriend and that Ike Gave back Ragnell to Sanaki ( i think he did that in the canon ) Either a familly of rogue stole it or once the place became ruins it got found by a family who kept it has their precious tresure trouout the generation and has the years past some missinformation was spearing in the family lineage connecting this weapon to the fact that Ike Holded it thinking that Ike was a descendent even tho he's not
Everyone knows Priam isn’t Ike’s actual direct descendant because Ike was gay with Soren and/or Ranulf
I think IS is pretty close to make it Canon.
Priam is not Ike’s blood descendant simply because we know Ike couldn’t have spawned any children with his wonderful *husband* Soren
Did I type this just to cause anger to certain people on the internet? Probably! But hey, let’s be real, Ike and Soren likely ended up spending the rest of their lives together, romantically or not.
The Doylist take is that Awakening is just full of shallow, poorly thought out fanservice and cute little head-nods and we should give its canonicity as much credit as the devs honestly intended.
Personally I like the theory that Ike stumbled upon the outrealm gates and that's how he ended up in the Altean/Ylissian world.
That said I also subscribe to the theory that Ike is gay and that Priam isn't actually related to Ike (technically he never claims to be)
He doesn’t make sense, but is marriegable.
I once said that Priam could come from mist in a FE group and a bunch of people chastised me for not knowing what "descendant" was.
Priam is really a boring character in my opinion, feels forced and bland even in awakening. Due to the nature of that game and how it was suppoused to be the last one I ironically kinda consider it whole non canon in the way that it comes back as the last game, with Priam specially being just ignored lol.
To many leaps and bounds to make sense of it, also dislike how it flat out steals stuff like the deathlords and does nothing with it, the game as a whole it's just references and its okay like that.
FU he's awesome ur boring u don't even have a pfp to make u stand out.. IRONY!!
Captain Astronaut made a whole video covering this. Sure, it's called Ikes InvestiGAYtion, but it covers why priam makes no sense canonically.
People love justifying homophobia with his existence (the possibility of Ike and Soren being a couple) but forget that Priam himself do not specify which type of descendant (lineal or collateral), so he can be from Mist's line. Also, Ike wouldn't be the first or last man to be in a same sex relationship who also had children with an external woman.
(+ bisexuals exist)
I'm still working through the games but idk at all how people get soren x ike aside from hard shipping because he doesn't get a dedicated love interest.
soren got that man pregnant🙏
I think the area between “not agreeing with an unconfirmed ship due to personal headcanon” and “not agreeing with an unconfirmed ship due to homophobia” isn’t a perfect overlap (as in, not everyone who doesn’t ship IkexSoren is homophobic, but people who deny the very possibility of it may be)
@@tbc1880 Without spoiling much, I play both PoR and RD , the only indicative of a possible homo romantic interest between these two is with an optional scenario between Ike and Soren that requires a few things to trigger, and essentially is a scene where Ike hugs Soren and tells him he is the closest person to him (being one of the only two times where we see Ike being physical affective)
Now, If you ask me , I see Ike more of an Aromantic / Asexual character, he truly doesn't show a single time any interest in a romantic relationship and the only things that seem to tickle his pickle are to fight strong opponents and eat meat.
In regards of Soren to me it seems that he indeed loves Ike but due his social awkwardness and tragic past he doesn't know that what he feels for him is love, after all I remember Soren advising Aimee (a merchant that was interested in Ike) how to get Ike's attention , which let me to believe that he doesn't have a sense of romantic jealousy.
It's funny that people will say Priam doesn't 'exist' to keep the Ike x Soren a thing. FEH has updated quite a few character's personalities with things like Forging Bonds, etc...and introduced more details about many different characters. My head canon is that Priam is Ike's Descendant...doesn't need to go farther than that to explain an agenda I didn't ask for. Hell for all I care, Amy could have raped Ike in the Tellius world and gave birth to one of Ike's offspring.
In a presentation I did on the history of queer representation in the fire emblem series (because im autistic and this is what i do with my free time) i brought up how terrible Awakening is about it and had a slide dedicated to Priam’s existence attempting to retcon Ike’s queerness, and the slide is literally titled “Priam (Derogatory)”
It's not a retcon lol fire emblem pre awakening was about war not sex
@@JordiumZ … you… you have to have sex to make a baby….. that game is about making babies…
@@JordiumZ oh wait, sorry, i can’t read, but still. characters could get married, and several games had baby making. Genealogy was about baby making, and therefore, about sex. Ike having descendants would be implying that he had sex with a woman (or trans man/enby). Plus, Ike can only have paired epilogues with men, in a game where those are mostly romantic. Ike was meant to be queer, the game was as explicit about that as it could be in 2005. I think Ike was meant to be gay, as even when they tried to set him up with elincia in the english translation he didn’t seem to be really interested in her. Priam’s existence IS a retcon.
@@felix6694if your intention is to show that ike doesn’t have much interest in women, you’d be mostly correct
but if your intention is to prove that ike is into men, that is a matter of pure headcanon.
which you’re allowed to have, obviously it’s a popular speculation, but it’s silly to claim it as anything definitive.
@@yoshifan52 Yeah, for the most part I agree, but I do truly believe Ike being AT LEAST bi was author intention. If you disagree, that’s fine, but I don’t believe it’s a head canon.