While the special effects were...if course...limited to the technology of the times... I personally believe that B5 was ..is..the best sci fi show ever aired.
@@DavidKnowles0 That Vorlon ship was likely called on Kosh's word, as at least he of the Vorlons had hope that the younger races could make a difference in the next Shadow War. If that bitch had been allowed to live, she would have made it quite possible that the Shadows would have won, and the Galaxy would be destroyed in the aftermath of Shadows and Vorlons destroying every planet tainted by the other's influence. Something to consider: Earth was on the list of Vorlon planet-killer targets. You can figure why.
@@DavidKnowles0 I think it would be a mistake to try to interpret Vorlon actions as if we understood what their purpose was. Perhaps Ulkesh's faction thought that immortality would make the younger races harder to control?
I finally watched the episode and it was so good. It is one of those times that the villain is so masterfully written to the point that even held by the very people she fought against, Jha’dur had all the power in the world, and not powerless at all. Plus it opened our eyes to the existence of the Dilgar War (Space World War 2) and how fascinating it was in which Earthforce rose to power and had the respect of the League of Non-aligned Worlds, and another enemy faction that was more on the equal footing of Earth rather than the overwhelming Minbari.
the only "bad" part was in the end this is about the only stuff about the Dilgar war we got in the entire series.. it was suposed to be very important because it was where the Earth Alliance became one of the dominant races and forged alliances with what was later known as the Leage of non alligned worlds..and it was also what made the humans so overconfident and arrogant that led to the Minbari War
@@oliversmith9200 i was thinking it was more like WWI since it was the first truly uniting world war, with the Shadow War being like WWII…the Prussian look only fits more
Babylon 5 is one of those shows I never tire of watching over and over again and thinking about what happens and the topics considered long after the credits have rolled.
I read somewhere that one of the producers said the first shot wasn't a miss. I figured that meant Deathwalker ejected in an escape pod and was the first target. Or maybe she ejected data on the anti-agapic when she realized she was going to die. That seems like something she would do.
@@martindevon3204 Yes they were. According to the novel The Shadow Within which J. Michael Straczynski has said is canon: In December 2256, the IPX ship Icarus arrived in the Alpha Omega system. Their long-range probe landed on Z'ha'dum, causing the premature awakening of the Shadows. The Icarus crew were captured by the Shadows on 3 January 2257 shortly after landing. Season 1 takes place in 2258 meaning the Shadows were already awake when the year started.
Maybe it was part of the way the Vorlons were still hiding who they really were at this point. They were pretending to be as fallible as any of the other races. Note how here, just like in the pilot episode they came through the jump gate, concealing the fact that they could form their own jump points, even though, based on the other races, you would expect ships of that size to have jump engines.
Michael Straczynski said it will not be a remake but a reboot with the story changing. Being he is the one who created this legacy who is it for us to say it will sully it or not.
@@Devin-O considering reboots are done at a time when its a different feeling..different actors and actresses..different writers...society is different..etc etc...they typically do not work
@@Devin-O I don't trust that the insanity of modern politics will be kept out and we'll instead get references to orange man bad, national boarders are evil, abortion is a universal galactic right and women are better than men at everything or some such nonsense will taint the show. Humans who become trans-narn or some other species.
Funnily enough, Sinclair didn't even bother. In episode "Eyes", Colonel of the earth force tries to question Garibaldi why formal protest wasn't made. To which Garibaldi responds that any protest against the Vorlon Empire is about as usefull as "fairy wings on a cement truck".
What's weird is that an "anti-agapic" would be an anti-love drug, not an anti-aging drug. Agape was an ancient Greek word for love, and since it's the one most used in the New Testament, still exists in modern Greek.
considering that her anti-agapic causes 1 set of beings to kill another to extend their own lives indefinitely, I would still say that anti love would be appropriate
All due respect to the Great Maker, I don't know how you do THIS again. This wasn't even an arc episode, and in the unfairly maligned first season. Still epic. 👍
It probably was an arc episode. The "missed" shot was likely a hidden serpent. A cloked shadow or shadow race ship. She survived with the help of heretical Mimbari and likely shadows. The Shadows were awake when Dr Seridan and Mr Morden disappeared on their archeological survey years before.
I think we can all appreciate how much of a mic drop Kosh pulled at the end. I know I was supremely satisfied with how sudden and total Jha'dur's death was when I first saw this episode.
It also foreshadowed that earth gov was quite ready to bend the rules of morality to get an edge. Clark supercharged those efforts, but the willingness was already there.
Garibaldi said as much. When Ari Ben Zayn questioned Sinclair's decision of not issuing a protest againt the Vorlon Empire for taking such unilateral decision, Garibaldi said that "Protest against Vorlons are about as usefull as fairy wings on a cement truck."
Thanks! I don't use the transition very much anymore but I do love trying to make the sound effects better. Did you notice thebcreepy music underneath the video in the latest star trek video;)
Except the vorlons don't actually care about people though. They only care about being right in their stance, and proving the Shadows way is the incorrect one. They did use planet killers to destroy entire populations just because of what the leaders did.
Except the transferring of life from one to another is a recurring theme in the show, so I doubt Kosh would find that important to point out as he’d find it rudimentary. The Vorlons were more focused on ‘shepherding’ the younger races, so this was like a parent taking a steak knife from a toddler, a viable tool but not to be left in the hands of those not ready to wield it.
Love the vorlon cochones to just blow up that ship in front of a diplomatic space station and be like: What? Got a problem with that? No? Thought so. Ciao.
for some reason, film-makers always make a scene of soldiers buttoning up one last time in front of the mirror before they meet their fatal end(unexpectedly). Except for when Sheridan did it, before going to Z'hadun, but he did die, didn't he?
Given that we've justified awfull lot of actrocities by saying "It was for the betterment of the worthy" or "It was for their own good", it's more than likely that chance of immortality would've sparked more conflict than it would've resolved.
Only half... And then humanity would spread in the stars, taking the Universe for Mankind! Price would be cheap, but of course cowards Vorlons shat themselves, couldn't allow pets to become more than "influencers" allows them.
Something that has always bothered me is that miss. The Vorlons wpildnt miss a Mimbar Shuttle. Was there something else they were attacking, maybe a shadow vessel? Just always seemed off.
I _really_ want Straczynskyi to do anoither TV show. If I had a genie wish, I'd have him do a 3-6 season treatment of Worm. It's already got ensemble worldbuilding and myth arcs hinted early on. Oh and maltheism. Give it a locked-in budget and contract, and it'll be magnificent.
It would have been interesting if we later found out that it was her work that allowed for the integration of Vorlon and Minbari technology into the whitestar class of ships.
I highly doubt it. That technology was way out of her league. Even with as clever as she was, she was nowhere near intelligent enough to figure a way to create a hybrid ship of Vorlon and Minbari technology, especially as she would have no access to the former.
I wonder what service Jha’dur did for the Wind Swords, perhaps craft a poison against Vorlons? And why would even a fanatically militant Minbari group act against a Vorlon, unless they were directed to by another Vorlon? I think Kosh and Ulkesh represented completely opposite Vorlon views/factions, and we have no idea what that was all about.
Canonically speaking, Lenier told us what she gave the Wind Swords when he said that during the Earth Minbari War the Wind Swords came to the Council with terrible weapons (IMO probably bio-weapons and chemical weapons) developed by Jha'dur for use against humans. Though I suppose it is possible she was the one who developed the poison used against Kosh in the pilot.
I would rather they spinoff an Earth\Dilgar war show, than try and remake Bab5. The latter can't be done any better than we already have and would be doomed to failure.
Regarding her alias of Gaila Lobos, it is likely adapted from Gaylos-Lobos, an alternate form of Glasya-Labolas, a demon in the Ars Goetia who is "the author and captain of manslaughter and bloodshed". Sneaky little JMS.
the cackle at the end means that shador never died but becaame a malevolent spirit unbound and unbreakable roaming the stars hunting for a suitable body to rise again!
Or we use lesser living beings like cows, sheep, and goats. Or maybe non-sentient clones. I certainly don't think that should be done, but I like poking holes in thinking.
Hard to say as outside of what she said, which is pretty vague, they dont say exactly what needed to be take from one life to allow another one to gain immortality. It could be it was something unique to each race in their genetics, which would mean that it had to be taken from a source within the same race. That does still leave cloning unless what is needed is something that either is commonly removed, or destroyed thru the cloning process.
So instead of killing other humans we instead devastate the ecological balance of the planet and destroy ourselves regardless. I am not sure you grasp just how many have to die just for one person to live forever. It is not a 1:1 trade-off. She might have said it was that way, but she was lying. She wanted humanity to destroy itself completely for revenge for her people and simply because she is what she is. The Dilgar carry a lot of inspiration from a race featured in a world created by Alan Dean Foster. Most well-known through the Flinx series of books. In there, Earth had encountered another world inhabited by people that were just about humans themselves in appearance and makeup. Things were friendly at first, but then Earth ships began to disappear. After some time it was found that the xeno-humans were hunting down and attacking Earth ships with no warning and no quarter. Just outright destruction. It was discovered that these people were completely xenophobic and wanted no others in the galaxy to survive, and Earth was the nearest target for them. Earth had to completely devastate and kill every single one of the xeno-humans, for even one would continue killing. In the Dilgar's case, they were just pushed back to their home system and were basically imprisoned there, but then their star went supernova and wiped the rest out, except for Deathwalker. There's a lot to suggest that the star going supernova was not expected, so you can guess what really happened.
I wouldn't trust Death-Walker's statement that the only way to produce the serum was through killing other beings anyway. She probably isn't lying -- that is, she genuinely believes this to be the case. But she has a lot vested in that belief. It's safe to assume that, having discovered a way to produce the serum through killing, she didn't even search for any other method. She just assumed that her method is the only method. She didn't do anything to try and disprove her hypothesis, as an honest scientist shoud; but then, she's neither honest nor a scientist. If she were allowed to carry on her research, and some other scientist did make a discovery suggesting that the material could be synthesized safely and ethically, she'd probably do anything (from falsifying research records, through character-assassination to actual assassination) to discredit that discovery before it could even be tested. Even scientists who merely wish to be right might be tempted into intellectual dishonesty to preserve their reputations; in her case, with her literally murderous track-record, she wouldn't even settle for mere cheating in order to protect her precious hypothesis.
@@elricengquist9989 Don't start to think about it scientifically, because technically it's all a bunch of nonsense. What matters is the moral dilemma. Although from the Vorlon point of view, that dilemma is probably not even necessary for their decision to kill Death-Walker. The humans depicted in the show are not a lot different from the way we are now, so basically useless biology that does nothing but pollute worlds and turn minerals into space garbage. We probably need a few more aeons to evolve into something that is worth to keep around forever.
It’s these sort of stories that make me feel that season one was the best of the lot. The universe seemed to be much larger and mysterious than it was in the later seasons. The characters seemed to be much more at the mercy of events.
yes as it was in star trek the next generation and DS9 in the beginning i guess. Lots of exploring and later on they only waged wars.. But now with a strange new world they are back on track:)
I love the security guard, he is armed and everything. Someone attacks the visitor he is custom checking drags them off to an anti-room and does he show up. No he doesn't lol.
@@donaldstinnett5630truly outstanding ' character ' actors can make a show or break it . JMS had worked on murder she wrote and others and had a wealth of quirks to select from . Without that breadth of knowledge and the skill to perceive how they would play the role ,it could have been so mediocre. As it was it turned out excellent. Any remake would take some serious casting in a woke world .
Something I always found interesting was there being hints that the Dilgar's sun going nova was completely unexpected. That's very interesting, as Earthforce would be keeping ships around their system to keep it quarantined. They would know if the star was even close to reaching a stage where it would nova. Makes me think as if there was an outside hand at work, making sure that a fanatically xenophobic race couldn't screw things up the next time the Shadows appeared.
@@JK-Visions telepathy was a vorlon invention. They are all telepaths and so having one become an ascended being is more of a testimony that Humanity should be their successors when they finally leave if ever. Same with the Minbari.
@@geoffreyprior8931 That and Vorlons probably thought that Ironheart just achieved what they eventually intended for younger races to become. After all, telepaths were their creation, so they probably knew that ever curious younger races might someday ascend to energy being faster than they were supposed to.
“You are not ready for immortality” embedded in a seemingly throwaway first season stand alone episode is perhaps one of the earliest hints at the overarching story and themes.
Always liked that line you are not ready for immortality. That sort of lets slip the Vorlons have achieved that state. So if the other races did not fear or worship them already well....
they are clearly trolling.. or maybe its the minbari ship that has advanced stealth capabilities wich made them miss the first shot but not fool the second
Maybe it was part of the way the Vorlons were still hiding who they really were at this point. They were pretending to be as fallible as any of the other races. Note how here, just like in the pilot episode they came through the jump gate, concealing the fact that they could form their own jump points, even though, based on the other races, you would expect ships of that size to have jump engines.
@@DavidKnowles0 Agreed. Nice visual design (some parts not withstanding) but overall just a waste of your time unless you're using it to learn what not to do.
I have to agree with Ambassador Kosh--we are not ready for immortality. I don't think we ever will be. And that's a good thing. Immortality would be stagnation.
@@JK-Visions This was what Lorien said as well, that his race was born immortal: they could still be killed by illness or violence, but they did not die of old age. But then cosmos started to realize that in order to appreciate life, it needed to be fleeting and later generations of his race became mortals.
@@zaph1rax Not all, but one would think a skilled Dilgar Warmaster got reasonable briefings about the one enemy actually putting up a good fight. Some killed anyone not brown nosing, sure, but those didn't last long anaginst Earthforce.
Damn Vorlons, they had no right! I frankly would have loved to see more Dilgar and more Deathwalker - why? Because she is/was a complicated character and a good commander in war, I don't doubt she could have fought Shadows and Vorlons!
Leonardo Torres -- The Vorlons are ' Legends ' - the second of all races , the first was Lorien . They're not perfect just an old existing race over thousands of years old equal to the shadow races who are also the second existence of all races , the first was Lorien . The younger races are the Minbari , Earth , Narns , Dilgar , Centauri , the League Worlds , etc,. Being that the Vorlons and Shadows are so ancient of races they misuse the younger races and force the galaxy into a fight of Light versus Dark every 1 thousand years . That's why they would shoot twice , they're not perfect just ancient .
@@JK-Visions the good news is it is a short story not a novel so very easy to read with a cuppa but the bad news is I have no idea where you can find it to read. That’s what most likely to take you time.
@@JK-Visions , Star Trek has better story lines but sure the odd episodes are a bit weak from time to time ,but the show is the most scientific accurate SCI fi show if u into that don't have to be a Sci fi nerd or nerd to understand the talk or lingo, but your correct liking show is up to your taste and if you can stomach B grade stories then each to their own I guess. lols. I respect your input & have a great rest of the week because your are correct as well
@@TheDarrenSR i like star trek too. And what does make B5 scientific not accurate? Star Trek has shields which are not real either. Will be making some videos about strange new words soon. Also check out my other channel. Which will show more space stuff;)
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One of the few times Kosh gave a straight answer.
No need for the villian to deceive as even her candidness about a possible future is scary enough...
Well, the Vorlons do believe in 'Beauty... in silence'
even if it was cryptic in nature…
Kosh always gave straight answers. They were hard to understand but straight.
How will this end?
IN FIRE.
Rare scene where in the course of 5 seconds both Londo AND G'Kar are happy.
While the special effects were...if course...limited to the technology of the times... I personally believe that B5 was ..is..the best sci fi show ever aired.
Yep. I do to. And I've watched almost everything sci fi related i could get my hands on at those times.
My personal favorite was Farscape
the expanse giving it a run for its money these days. Im not sure which i prefer tbh.
THE best show. Period.
Agreed would love to see it with the same cast but re edited with present tech
Sarah Douglas did a great job playing Deathwalker. It must be said.
Dilgar:*boasts about what its about to come*
Kosh:"welp, off you go"
One of the only times the Vorlons were shown to protect the younger races from there selves.
@@DavidKnowles0 That Vorlon ship was likely called on Kosh's word, as at least he of the Vorlons had hope that the younger races could make a difference in the next Shadow War. If that bitch had been allowed to live, she would have made it quite possible that the Shadows would have won, and the Galaxy would be destroyed in the aftermath of Shadows and Vorlons destroying every planet tainted by the other's influence.
Something to consider: Earth was on the list of Vorlon planet-killer targets. You can figure why.
@@DavidKnowles0 I think it would be a mistake to try to interpret Vorlon actions as if we understood what their purpose was.
Perhaps Ulkesh's faction thought that immortality would make the younger races harder to control?
Kosh and his kind are hypocrites. How dare they get In the way of the younger races? Hypocrite he is!
@@samsonguy10k Shadows did nothing wrong. And their tech is cooler, by far!
I totally miss KOSH and his always cryptic messages.
4:27 "Well, all's well that ends well, huh?" 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
What an incredible, insightful episode. Well, to be fair, most of them were.
I finally watched the episode and it was so good. It is one of those times that the villain is so masterfully written to the point that even held by the very people she fought against, Jha’dur had all the power in the world, and not powerless at all. Plus it opened our eyes to the existence of the Dilgar War (Space World War 2) and how fascinating it was in which Earthforce rose to power and had the respect of the League of Non-aligned Worlds, and another enemy faction that was more on the equal footing of Earth rather than the overwhelming Minbari.
the only "bad" part was in the end this is about the only stuff about the Dilgar war we got in the entire series.. it was suposed to be very important because it was where the Earth Alliance became one of the dominant races and forged alliances with what was later known as the Leage of non alligned worlds..and it was also what made the humans so overconfident and arrogant that led to the Minbari War
Plus her uniform look Space Prussian. Except for a spiked hat.
WWI, since the Shadow War was more like WWII
@@oliversmith9200 i was thinking it was more like WWI since it was the first truly uniting world war, with the Shadow War being like WWII…the Prussian look only fits more
Sarah Douglas, same actress that performed Ursa in Superman 2. th-cam.com/video/whiefWgl09s/w-d-xo.html
Babylon 5 is one of those shows I never tire of watching over and over again and thinking about what happens and the topics considered long after the credits have rolled.
The Vorlon ship didn't failed the first shot. It was done to destroy the far-away hidden Shadow ship that was escorting that "Minbari" ship...
I read somewhere that one of the producers said the first shot wasn't a miss. I figured that meant Deathwalker ejected in an escape pod and was the first target. Or maybe she ejected data on the anti-agapic when she realized she was going to die. That seems like something she would do.
@Eterna Fuente de Luz Divina
What is the source of your information?
The Shadows were not awake yet
@@martindevon3204 Yes they were. According to the novel The Shadow Within which J. Michael Straczynski has said is canon:
In December 2256, the IPX ship Icarus arrived in the Alpha Omega system. Their long-range probe landed on Z'ha'dum, causing the premature awakening of the Shadows. The Icarus crew were captured by the Shadows on 3 January 2257 shortly after landing.
Season 1 takes place in 2258 meaning the Shadows were already awake when the year started.
Maybe it was part of the way the Vorlons were still hiding who they really were at this point. They were pretending to be as fallible as any of the other races. Note how here, just like in the pilot episode they came through the jump gate, concealing the fact that they could form their own jump points, even though, based on the other races, you would expect ships of that size to have jump engines.
the best written and performed science fiction tv shows of all. this reboot/remake...going to sully the legacy
Michael Straczynski said it will not be a remake but a reboot with the story changing. Being he is the one who created this legacy who is it for us to say it will sully it or not.
@@Devin-O considering reboots are done at a time when its a different feeling..different actors and actresses..different writers...society is different..etc etc...they typically do not work
@@Devin-O I don't trust that the insanity of modern politics will be kept out and we'll instead get references to orange man bad, national boarders are evil, abortion is a universal galactic right and women are better than men at everything or some such nonsense will taint the show. Humans who become trans-narn or some other species.
Earthforce '' We lodge a formal protest with the Vorlon government ''
Vorlons ''Oooh a death wish ''
I was thinking it would be more like:
Earth: lodges a formal protest
Vorlons: Did you say something? (Or just plain ignores the silly humans.)
@@crucisnh Nah...not as funny !
Funnily enough, Sinclair didn't even bother. In episode "Eyes", Colonel of the earth force tries to question Garibaldi why formal protest wasn't made. To which Garibaldi responds that any protest against the Vorlon Empire is about as usefull as "fairy wings on a cement truck".
Pure Garibaldi !!! miss that series....miss proper writing.
@@Ruosteinenknight
What's weird is that an "anti-agapic" would be an anti-love drug, not an anti-aging drug. Agape was an ancient Greek word for love, and since it's the one most used in the New Testament, still exists in modern Greek.
considering that her anti-agapic causes 1 set of beings to kill another to extend their own lives indefinitely, I would still say that anti love would be appropriate
I thought she said "anti-agathic".
The term is anti-agathic. Try reading the Cities in Flight series by James Blush for a fairly thorough account.
Would love to have the Dilgar war expanded on
There are books about it i believe, but it was indeed a pivital moment in earths alliance history that needs some highlight
There's a massive and great Fanfiction.Which is really good writing.
All due respect to the Great Maker, I don't know how you do THIS again. This wasn't even an arc episode, and in the unfairly maligned first season. Still epic. 👍
I want to give every episode a summary so I don't have to watch the episodes in full lengt and my DVD's stay new;)
It probably was an arc episode. The "missed" shot was likely a hidden serpent. A cloked shadow or shadow race ship. She survived with the help of heretical Mimbari and likely shadows.
The Shadows were awake when Dr Seridan and Mr Morden disappeared on their archeological survey years before.
I think we can all appreciate how much of a mic drop Kosh pulled at the end. I know I was supremely satisfied with how sudden and total Jha'dur's death was when I first saw this episode.
Yes she was like the Nazi Dr. Mengele. Pure Evil.
It also foreshadowed that earth gov was quite ready to bend the rules of morality to get an edge. Clark supercharged those efforts, but the willingness was already there.
Garibaldi said as much. When Ari Ben Zayn questioned Sinclair's decision of not issuing a protest againt the Vorlon Empire for taking such unilateral decision, Garibaldi said that "Protest against Vorlons are about as usefull as fairy wings on a cement truck."
Your transitions and codas (such as the laugh at the end here) superb!
Thanks! I don't use the transition very much anymore but I do love trying to make the sound effects better.
Did you notice thebcreepy music underneath the video in the latest star trek video;)
Babylon 5 was a great show well-written well-acted
Kosh should have said, "She wasn't offering life, she was promising death."
Except the vorlons don't actually care about people though. They only care about being right in their stance, and proving the Shadows way is the incorrect one. They did use planet killers to destroy entire populations just because of what the leaders did.
Except the transferring of life from one to another is a recurring theme in the show, so I doubt Kosh would find that important to point out as he’d find it rudimentary. The Vorlons were more focused on ‘shepherding’ the younger races, so this was like a parent taking a steak knife from a toddler, a viable tool but not to be left in the hands of those not ready to wield it.
That would be silly. It's nonsense poetry.
“No ticket”
You'll thank us in a million years....😉
lol gotta love the audacity the vorlons have :D "dont mind us, just gonna fuck shit up"
Love the vorlon cochones to just blow up that ship in front of a diplomatic space station and be like: What? Got a problem with that? No? Thought so. Ciao.
They are the untouchables:)
in short: the american way of dealing with things :D
@@mikescheffler8904😂 wird zeit das sich die Vorlonen mal bei den Amis melden 🙋
for some reason, film-makers always make a scene of soldiers buttoning up one last time in front of the mirror before they meet their fatal end(unexpectedly). Except for when Sheridan did it, before going to Z'hadun, but he did die, didn't he?
Yes it seems they know their faith.
Sad thing is ... she is correct . Humans would annihilate themselves with something like that .
Given that we've justified awfull lot of actrocities by saying "It was for the betterment of the worthy" or "It was for their own good", it's more than likely that chance of immortality would've sparked more conflict than it would've resolved.
Only half...
And then humanity would spread in the stars, taking the Universe for Mankind!
Price would be cheap, but of course cowards Vorlons shat themselves, couldn't allow pets to become more than "influencers" allows them.
It's amazing that the Vorlon ship missed the first shot
It's the thought that counts;)
If that's what you want to believe...
How much carnage did the Vorlons prevent with that one move?
A lot.
At least billions
(in Kosh voice) yessss
They prevented the pebbles from voting.
the Vorlons prevented a few planets worth of dead people from happening
GOD I MISS THIS SHOW!!!!!!
A wonderful episode! ☄️🌌🚀
Yes thank you. And there are a lot more and also a lot more on the way.
Something that has always bothered me is that miss. The Vorlons wpildnt miss a Mimbar Shuttle. Was there something else they were attacking, maybe a shadow vessel? Just always seemed off.
It probably was just to show off the special effects;)
”You are not ready for immortality”
I always felt the unspoken implied end of that line was, "I would know."
And how does one become ready for immortality?
@@alicemi4155 by not accepting her bargain.
@@alicemi4155 To achieve it by "natural way" of ascension
Certainly not her means of immortality.
Vorlon ships are amazing!
I _really_ want Straczynskyi to do anoither TV show. If I had a genie wish, I'd have him do a 3-6 season treatment of Worm. It's already got ensemble worldbuilding and myth arcs hinted early on. Oh and maltheism. Give it a locked-in budget and contract, and it'll be magnificent.
It would have been interesting if we later found out that it was her work that allowed for the integration of Vorlon and Minbari technology into the whitestar class of ships.
I highly doubt it. That technology was way out of her league. Even with as clever as she was, she was nowhere near intelligent enough to figure a way to create a hybrid ship of Vorlon and Minbari technology, especially as she would have no access to the former.
4:25 What were those two objects moving away (one at about the 4:00 position, and the other bigger one at about the 5:00 position) from the explosion?
I wonder what service Jha’dur did for the Wind Swords, perhaps craft a poison against Vorlons? And why would even a fanatically militant Minbari group act against a Vorlon, unless they were directed to by another Vorlon? I think Kosh and Ulkesh represented completely opposite Vorlon views/factions, and we have no idea what that was all about.
Maybe some weapons to kill humans?
Canonically speaking, Lenier told us what she gave the Wind Swords when he said that during the Earth Minbari War the Wind Swords came to the Council with terrible weapons (IMO probably bio-weapons and chemical weapons) developed by Jha'dur for use against humans. Though I suppose it is possible she was the one who developed the poison used against Kosh in the pilot.
The Vorlons watch to see if the kids do the right thing... and if not, they just take over.
One of the few times I don't blame them for it.
Yeah but they are as bad as the shadows on some way.
@@JK-Visions Yes, thus "One of the few times I don't blame them for it."
Bobby Wheeler from the TV show Taxi, and Flounder from the movie Animal House.
I loved Jha'dur's laugh at the end! JMS is a genius.
Loved Na'toth. Too bad the actress became allergic to the makeup or something and had to leave.
That is a common thing.
That makeup is toxic.
@@patrickkenyon2326 but it looked good.
In an alternate universe there’s a B-5 lEarth, Dilgar war” movie.
Would like to see more about the Dilgar.
I would rather they spinoff an Earth\Dilgar war show, than try and remake Bab5. The latter can't be done any better than we already have and would be doomed to failure.
Regarding her alias of Gaila Lobos, it is likely adapted from Gaylos-Lobos, an alternate form of Glasya-Labolas, a demon in the Ars Goetia who is "the author and captain of manslaughter and bloodshed".
Sneaky little JMS.
the cackle at the end means that shador never died but becaame a malevolent spirit unbound and unbreakable roaming the stars hunting for a suitable body to rise again!
Or we use lesser living beings like cows, sheep, and goats. Or maybe non-sentient clones.
I certainly don't think that should be done, but I like poking holes in thinking.
Hard to say as outside of what she said, which is pretty vague, they dont say exactly what needed to be take from one life to allow another one to gain immortality. It could be it was something unique to each race in their genetics, which would mean that it had to be taken from a source within the same race. That does still leave cloning unless what is needed is something that either is commonly removed, or destroyed thru the cloning process.
So instead of killing other humans we instead devastate the ecological balance of the planet and destroy ourselves regardless. I am not sure you grasp just how many have to die just for one person to live forever. It is not a 1:1 trade-off. She might have said it was that way, but she was lying. She wanted humanity to destroy itself completely for revenge for her people and simply because she is what she is.
The Dilgar carry a lot of inspiration from a race featured in a world created by Alan Dean Foster. Most well-known through the Flinx series of books. In there, Earth had encountered another world inhabited by people that were just about humans themselves in appearance and makeup. Things were friendly at first, but then Earth ships began to disappear. After some time it was found that the xeno-humans were hunting down and attacking Earth ships with no warning and no quarter. Just outright destruction. It was discovered that these people were completely xenophobic and wanted no others in the galaxy to survive, and Earth was the nearest target for them. Earth had to completely devastate and kill every single one of the xeno-humans, for even one would continue killing.
In the Dilgar's case, they were just pushed back to their home system and were basically imprisoned there, but then their star went supernova and wiped the rest out, except for Deathwalker. There's a lot to suggest that the star going supernova was not expected, so you can guess what really happened.
I wouldn't trust Death-Walker's statement that the only way to produce the serum was through killing other beings anyway. She probably isn't lying -- that is, she genuinely believes this to be the case. But she has a lot vested in that belief. It's safe to assume that, having discovered a way to produce the serum through killing, she didn't even search for any other method. She just assumed that her method is the only method. She didn't do anything to try and disprove her hypothesis, as an honest scientist shoud; but then, she's neither honest nor a scientist. If she were allowed to carry on her research, and some other scientist did make a discovery suggesting that the material could be synthesized safely and ethically, she'd probably do anything (from falsifying research records, through character-assassination to actual assassination) to discredit that discovery before it could even be tested. Even scientists who merely wish to be right might be tempted into intellectual dishonesty to preserve their reputations; in her case, with her literally murderous track-record, she wouldn't even settle for mere cheating in order to protect her precious hypothesis.
@@elricengquist9989 Don't start to think about it scientifically, because technically it's all a bunch of nonsense. What matters is the moral dilemma. Although from the Vorlon point of view, that dilemma is probably not even necessary for their decision to kill Death-Walker. The humans depicted in the show are not a lot different from the way we are now, so basically useless biology that does nothing but pollute worlds and turn minerals into space garbage. We probably need a few more aeons to evolve into something that is worth to keep around forever.
Ya you know all these fx artists should take a shot at remastering the video effects between scenes for this
It’s these sort of stories that make me feel that season one was the best of the lot. The universe seemed to be much larger and mysterious than it was in the later seasons. The characters seemed to be much more at the mercy of events.
yes as it was in star trek the next generation and DS9 in the beginning i guess. Lots of exploring and later on they only waged wars..
But now with a strange new world they are back on track:)
I love the security guard, he is armed and everything. Someone attacks the visitor he is custom checking drags them off to an anti-room and does he show up. No he doesn't lol.
I would like to see an updated version i.e. 50 years after, using todays' CGT and a cast as excellent as the original.
Me too. Or just the CGI would be great.
I found an updated version. I will publish it on my second channel in the next few weeks.
50 years? This episode is 40 years old.
There is no cast as excellent as the original.
@@donaldstinnett5630truly outstanding ' character ' actors can make a show or break it . JMS had worked on murder she wrote and others and had a wealth of quirks to select from . Without that breadth of knowledge and the skill to perceive how they would play the role ,it could have been so mediocre. As it was it turned out excellent. Any remake would take some serious casting in a woke world .
Kosh,..one of my favorite SCIFI characters!
Not ready for a lot of things.
Miss you Bab!
Welp thats one way to balance the scales!
Something I always found interesting was there being hints that the Dilgar's sun going nova was completely unexpected. That's very interesting, as Earthforce would be keeping ships around their system to keep it quarantined. They would know if the star was even close to reaching a stage where it would nova.
Makes me think as if there was an outside hand at work, making sure that a fanatically xenophobic race couldn't screw things up the next time the Shadows appeared.
He's right, we are not ready for immortality or omnipotent power.
Indeed but I found it strange that the vorlons didn't intervene when Jason Iron heart was chased by psycorp and became omnipotent.
@@JK-Visions Irons wasn't promising to hand out immortality
@@JK-Visions telepathy was a vorlon invention. They are all telepaths and so having one become an ascended being is more of a testimony that Humanity should be their successors when they finally leave if ever. Same with the Minbari.
@@geoffreyprior8931 That and Vorlons probably thought that Ironheart just achieved what they eventually intended for younger races to become. After all, telepaths were their creation, so they probably knew that ever curious younger races might someday ascend to energy being faster than they were supposed to.
“You are not ready for immortality” embedded in a seemingly throwaway first season stand alone episode is perhaps one of the earliest hints at the overarching story and themes.
Yeah but I already loved the living Vorlon ships. Just amazing if you think about it.
astounding metabolism
I guess that's why she just stood there and took the beating 😆
Always liked that line you are not ready for immortality. That sort of lets slip the Vorlons have achieved that state. So if the other races did not fear or worship them already well....
understanding surprise terror for the future.....
Kosh appears
Blows up a ship
Gives cryptic response
Leaves
No one even thinks about complaining or stopping him. Lest they end up the same way.
It's unwise to oppose a superior force/being.
Did the Vorlons miss!
Blame it on their directional beam weaponry
The energy of the jump gate may have thrown their aim off.
they are clearly trolling.. or maybe its the minbari ship that has advanced stealth capabilities wich made them miss the first shot but not fool the second
It was always said that the Vorlons didn't miss with either shot....
Maybe it was part of the way the Vorlons were still hiding who they really were at this point. They were pretending to be as fallible as any of the other races. Note how here, just like in the pilot episode they came through the jump gate, concealing the fact that they could form their own jump points, even though, based on the other races, you would expect ships of that size to have jump engines.
Love how the ships look extremely similar to some viruses.
Is that a Vorlon dreadnought firing.
I don't think so . The ship Kosh flies in is more like a shuttle.
So this is where they got the story for Jupiter ascendant
I never noticed, but it not my favorite movie anyway. If I get my hands on a copy i will rewatch it.
@@JK-Visions Don't bother. It's an incredibly bad movie. 28%/38% on Rotten Tomatoes, and that's being generous.
@@lennierofthethirdfaneofchu7286 The art design and CGI is top notch through.
@@DavidKnowles0 Agreed. Nice visual design (some parts not withstanding) but overall just a waste of your time unless you're using it to learn what not to do.
It a four-lawn ship.. Okkay.
I have to agree with Ambassador Kosh--we are not ready for immortality. I don't think we ever will be.
And that's a good thing. Immortality would be stagnation.
Yes Isaac Asimov wrote about it in if i am correct the book the end of eternity. Though that's the literally dutch translation back to English.
@@JK-Visions This was what Lorien said as well, that his race was born immortal: they could still be killed by illness or violence, but they did not die of old age. But then cosmos started to realize that in order to appreciate life, it needed to be fleeting and later generations of his race became mortals.
I'll say this. It was well written but the villain obviously didn't know beans about humanity's history.
It wouldn't have been realistic if she knew all about humanity's history.
@@zaph1rax Not all, but one would think a skilled Dilgar Warmaster got reasonable briefings about the one enemy actually putting up a good fight. Some killed anyone not brown nosing, sure, but those didn't last long anaginst Earthforce.
Deathwalker: It is the way of things, Sinclair. The superior controls the inferior.
Kosh: Yuuuup!
Used to enjoy free episodes on AOL....
Never understood the mimbari protecting her
Perhaps it's an honor thing although what is honorable about weapons of mass destruction...
Why the Vorlon destroy that ship???
They didn't want the god mode potion to get into the hands of anyone else.
"No." -Vorlons
A brilliant Scifi series😁
Damn Vorlons, they had no right! I frankly would have loved to see more Dilgar and more Deathwalker - why? Because she is/was a complicated character and a good commander in war, I don't doubt she could have fought Shadows and Vorlons!
The vorlons did the right thing.
I believe the SFX done with an AMIGA toaster
Only the pilot episode the gathering. After that they used other computers.
Oh, yes, the classic diversion to conceal how close the Minbari and Vorlons are, politically and philosophically.
You are not ready for immortality!! Well, energy beings do not need physical body!! Kosh was 100% correct.
It`s a four-lawn ship😄
Vorlons: You aren't ready for immortality.
Also Vorlons: missing 50% of their shots.
Just saying, maybe they aren't ready for aiming.
Lol yeah aiming didn't really advance in those eons
There is a theory that the first shot was aimed at a shadow vessel that was near by
A storm trooper was on the gun.
No, its easy. You cant fire without warning shot :D
Never had the makings of a varsity first one.
Babylon 5 are much better as DS9 !
Adrenachron in space
Space walnut sauce
Creepy but rather accurate
Why the Vorlon ship shoot twice?????
Bad aiming:p
Drunken pilot
Leonardo Torres -- The Vorlons are ' Legends ' - the second of all races , the first was Lorien . They're not perfect just an old existing race over thousands of years old equal to the shadow races who are also the second existence of all races , the first was Lorien . The younger races are the Minbari , Earth , Narns , Dilgar , Centauri , the League Worlds , etc,. Being that the Vorlons and Shadows are so ancient of races they misuse the younger races and force the galaxy into a fight of Light versus Dark every 1 thousand years . That's why they would shoot twice , they're not perfect just ancient .
@@williamwaha3193 The Vorlons were one of the youngest of the old races. Lorien was first, the shadows are known to be second, everyone else followed.
@@DavidKnowles0 --- That is what I said .
Pride goeth before a fall!!
Meet the race that doesn't care if it's a Minbari shuttle or not.
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Read a short story based on the destruction of the human race for committing genocide to achieve immortality. Good story.
The story is “stars won’t you hide me” by Ben Bova.
Thanks for the tip. I already have a pile of 40 books to read but somehow I get stuck into TH-cam too much lol.
@@JK-Visions the good news is it is a short story not a novel so very easy to read with a cuppa but the bad news is I have no idea where you can find it to read. That’s what most likely to take you time.
"You are not ready for immortality"
i would agree, but tell it to the transhumanists 🙄
Shot like a bad horror show.
No one ever mentions... The vorlons missed. Lol
Tham smug alien ....so hypocrite
Only thing missing from this scene was a small kids pool filled with Jello........just saying.....
Adrenochrome?
Techno babble;)
Adrenochrome...
The acting was really B grade on this show and story line weak
It's all in the eye of the beholder. What show would you recommend,?
@@JK-Visions , Star Trek has better story lines but sure the odd episodes are a bit weak from time to time ,but the show is the most scientific accurate SCI fi show if u into that don't have to be a Sci fi nerd or nerd to understand the talk or lingo, but your correct liking show is up to your taste and if you can stomach B grade stories then each to their own I guess. lols. I respect your input & have a great rest of the week because your are correct as well
@@TheDarrenSR i like star trek too. And what does make B5 scientific not accurate? Star Trek has shields which are not real either.
Will be making some videos about strange new words soon.
Also check out my other channel. Which will show more space stuff;)
It's Death Walker not Walker of Death.
I know;) I liked this title more.
its just like eating meat living forever off others energy at their expense of death....
Incredible storyline👍