Though this is my favorite ship, I agree that it does have it's problems. I thank you for not hating the ship just because of the age gap (clearly a mistake) but instead for ACTUAL reasons. Also, it's not really stalking if he's her bodyguard, and they both clearly like each other.
Read book 6 when darkstalker shows moon the future firefly is deathbringers and glory’s daughter it real ship so to the haters sorry darkstalker showed their daughter and you might say “oh but that darkstalker is lieing to moon” one at that time darkstalker didn’t know glory at all
I agree with all of your points. I think the ship was a little sudden. Glory seemed pretty edgy in her book with everyone, yet she seemed to trust Deathbringer really quickly. I also found it strange that her friends trusted Deathbringer quickly even after he tried to kill them and Blaze. Great video btw :)
I don’t care what anyone says, I just like Glory and Deathbringer together. I know there are some things at first in the book that might be wrong, but I feel like when they spend more time together through the books, it makes more sense why they like each other. 😊
SPOILERS!! I read the winglets and the reason death bringer stalks glory even with gaurds is because quick strick his mother was killed after being struck by lightning because he left her alone long anoth for sandwing gaurds to find her and they bring her to blister who orders her killed after this deathbringer promises himself that he won't let anyone else he cares about to be harmed - insert glory - and I think as a small dragonet that would be traumatizing for the poor thing this making attachment issues
2:06 Technically the DoD are all siblings if you count them calling Clay their big wings. Then that would mean she's in a relationship with the same dragon who tried to kill her brothers and sisters then... Can't say that's really any better!
i don’t feel like any ship fits for glory, she seems like an independent dragon that doesn’t require a relationship, at all. and i doubt either of her tribes would accept a rain-night as leader considering their hatred for eachother
I agree with all of this, despite me shipping this I totally understand that it has problems, like most of the ships. Also thank you for not talking about the age gap Bc don’t even start, Tui didn’t make an age chart and stuff so ages are all over the place. I feel as if this ship could have been presented better. Also I agree, I don’t understand why the DoD hate do peril it’s not fair to her. I think this the books have many problems, but after all we have to remind ourselves that at least they didn’t go as far as the warrior cats series in spottedleaf’s heart… yet… anyways amazing art, have a good day
I would LOVE to see a Ripnami video. Its so fun watching someone actually see my perspective on these ships and it would be amazing if you talked about Ripnami
Finally someone who doesn’t use a honest mistake age gap as a reason to hate the ship (but it is a good reason) these are great reasons! Though I love this ship I completely support this, and these reasons actually make me really think about it. Like damn, they just accepted deathbringer but peril was never trusted- I never realized till now how much was wrong with it, most videos on this have me with the same opinion as I did before where they just use the age gap mistake as the reason instead of the actual writing
fact，i love this ship bc glory and DB are my fav characters in these book.(their interactive are soooo cute!) but i still think their relationship probablyyyyy, grew too fast.If Tui can give them more space to move their relationship, they will be better! (and I dont like that external transmission too，its seem so deliberate)
i love glory x deathbringer, and i love to see youtubers showing their opinion about the ship, but i didnt just watch the hole youtube video and say i loved the ship for no reason, i actually want to draw the WoF charaters but i really suck at it any suggestions?
I respect everyone’s opinions, Glory is still my favourite character, I honestly don’t have an opinion on the ship yet, also cool artwork Cryosphere and your awesome 👍😊👏
Cool video! You make some great points! I tend to disagree with a lot of your opinions, but that’s kind of why I watch these videos, to hear both sides (couldn’t watch the Winterwatcher one, but I can see why it could be seen as toxic but that’s besides the point) Yiu make a lot of great points, and thank you for not hating it solely for a mistake by the author! I’ll still love this ship, but it’s very interesting to see all the points made!
For the most part, I haven’t cared for it either. Well, it’s mostly braised for me because I plain don’t like Glory, but I love Deathbringer’s personality. Though their interactions are cute, I just don’t see it, and I think that maybe the Clory ship would actually be *better*. There are still problems with Clory, but for the most part, the cons of Glorybringer are probably bigger than Clory.
im dont really care about glorybringer, i never really investigated that ship.. ...but... i just dont like glory. she was cool at first but when she became queen of both nightwings and rainwings, i felt that was a little far.
Deathbringer: "why you gotta be so rude, don't you know I'm human too. I'm gonna marry her anyway, and we'll be a family. so why you gotta be so rude?."
He follows orders. Like most dragons. Also, the following, have you read the winglets? He had some pretty bad trauma, so now he just simply is overprotective. So his mom died because he had to follow her demands, so her death was kinda his fault but not completely. After that towards I believe the end of his part he says he'll break any for anyone else he actually cares about. He broke the rules A LOT for Glory. I just can't see how this is a toxic relationship, and you are definitely focusing on th negative. And this is Glorys first every love relationship, like romantic wise not family (DoD), it's not going to be perfect. Buttttt I'm pretty sure this is cannon anyway cuz for firefly so lol 😂
Two years later and I still love this video! Deathbringer is one of my least favorite characters in the entire series! He’s so annoying and never once did I ever think he was funny or charming! Hatred aside, I still despise this ship. It made me uncomfortable from the beginning so I was very happy to see your accurate take on it! If you ever continue this series, I think you should do ripnami. I don’t like that ship because the characters have literally zero chemistry and nobody ever talks about it so It’d be nice to see a video on it!
i’d like to mention that none of the ships that i rant about are because of “bad writing” or because of a “mistake” Since these are all opinions, it’s really up to a certain view. I love Tuis writing, i just like sharing my opinions online (not because I think tuis a bad author)
I understand that there are problems, but I still don't agree with you. Glory left her friends in the snow for only a few minutes to investigate Deathbringer and went back to her friends. Yes, she scared her friends with an IceWing disguise, but if Deathbringer or a IceWing saw, they would investigate. Also, Deathbringer did know that Glory had an IceWing disguise and he even knew her real name. Deathbringer couldn't have spied on them because Glory and her friends would have heard. With the relationship topic, DEATHBRINGER WAS GLORY'S BODYGUARD, NOT AN ASSASSIN. So no, it's not like dating a serial killer and he won't kill your family because you're in a relationship. Glory did let Deathbringer go after he hurt Blaze and Tsunami, but Tsunami had a minor injury and Blaze was helped by the IceWing healers right away. Glory spat venom in Scarlet's face instead of Peril's because the venom would melt right off Peril's face, but for Scarlet, if you killed her, Peril wouldn't have to kill anyone else in the arena. For Deathbringer, it was different because he fell in love with Glory at first sight, but Glory didn't start to love him until the 6th book, Moon Rising, I think. When Glory became queen of the RainWings and NightWings, Deathbringer did follow her around all the time. That is because he is deeply in love with her and would do anything to protect her, even if it means death. Glory did deserve someone better before, but since Deathbringer would die to save her, she doesn't deserve someone else. Tui said that the age difference between Glory and Deathbringer was a mistake, it doesn't change the love of Glorybringer in the story, and the opinion of the readers who read about Glorybringer.
I think what should be nex is moon x kinkajou, i ship then in a au where kinkajou and moon met as little kids, id love to hear you're take on such a au
one thing I hate...is how everyone gets riled up about stupid wof ships. Like sure, some are good ships and some are bad, but there isnt any reason to argue about them when its liiiiiiiterally just a book series about dragons. I'm not trying to make it to where you hate every ship or reply to this comment with hate, but like I don't get it. Sure, I love a couple ships, hate a couple, but I dont see any reason to throw hate to the people who love the ships and cause an argument.
I was never invested in any of the Wings Of Fire couples and thought most of them were rather forgettable or boring. Deathbringer and Glory is another one that I just don’t care about. It all happens way too fast and I don’t feel like they had enough time to develop as a couple or let Deathbringer redeem himself. Anyway, the ship is boring and I do not enjoy it. And I don’t really like Glory of Deathbringer either which could also be why.
I respect your opinion but if glory hit peril instead of scarlet clay still would have to fight in the arena and glory says in the books she waits for the right moment to use her venom and in pretty the only reason they don’t trust peril that much is bc she is a flame 🔥
I don't really think the ship fits Glory's personality, and it's been dragged out a lot. Also, Deathbringer says he's loyal to Glory, then completely ignores her orders to stop following her. Well, another ship you could do is Thorn x Smolder. It might not have much to say, as it's only mentioned for a bit in book 10. But what bugs me the most about it is the fact that Smolder is twice the age of Thorn. He is literally old enough to be her father. His daughter is the same age as Thorn. Probably a mistake with ages, but just an idea as I've never really seen it mentioned in the fandom
You should look at Scorn the Ashwings video called Glorybringer analysis By Scron The AshWing it has really good evidence about Deathbringers age! Also I Love GloryBringer I think they work perfectly and that the way you are wording things and saying thongs like Murder and Stalker is a little harsh and over exaggerated since his reaction to killing Glory and her friends was not to and he only her to keep her safe and she seems to allow that (yes I know he is basically doing those things but I think if Glory didn't like it she could force him away but she doesn't but this is my opinion and I completely respect yours!
Let me just point out that you threw murder and toxic relationships around like they were nothing. And if Glory didn't want the relationship she'd be making that VERY clear. Could you do a bit of research on the toll murdering someone takes on your mental stability? And research what a toxic relationship is too. Because Glorybringer is not it.
None of that means anything when there’s a 13yr age gap between them (Glory even being the dragon version of a minor). But also, I stand by it being super toxic, if you didn’t get enough info, there’s tons of videos on this topic! I’m sure they’ll explain it better for you. But thanks for saying your opinion! I love the criticism always!
Though this is my favorite ship, I agree that it does have it's problems. I thank you for not hating the ship just because of the age gap (clearly a mistake) but instead for ACTUAL reasons. Also, it's not really stalking if he's her bodyguard, and they both clearly like each other.
Thanks for the feedback!
though I do think he’s taking his position as a bodyguard a *little* to far-
Read book 6 when darkstalker shows moon the future firefly is deathbringers and glory’s daughter it real ship so to the haters sorry darkstalker showed their daughter and you might say “oh but that darkstalker is lieing to moon” one at that time darkstalker didn’t know glory at all
Glorybringer is my favorite ship pls don't yell at me for this
Same
I agree with all of your points. I think the ship was a little sudden. Glory seemed pretty edgy in her book with everyone, yet she seemed to trust Deathbringer really quickly. I also found it strange that her friends trusted Deathbringer quickly even after he tried to kill them and Blaze. Great video btw :)
I don’t care what anyone says, I just like Glory and Deathbringer together. I know there are some things at first in the book that might be wrong, but I feel like when they spend more time together through the books, it makes more sense why they like each other. 😊
SPOILERS!!
I read the winglets and the reason death bringer stalks glory even with gaurds is because quick strick his mother was killed after being struck by lightning because he left her alone long anoth for sandwing gaurds to find her and they bring her to blister who orders her killed after this deathbringer promises himself that he won't let anyone else he cares about to be harmed - insert glory - and I think as a small dragonet that would be traumatizing for the poor thing this making attachment issues
EXACTLY!!!!
2:06
Technically the DoD are all siblings if you count them calling Clay their big wings. Then that would mean she's in a relationship with the same dragon who tried to kill her brothers and sisters then... Can't say that's really any better!
i don’t feel like any ship fits for glory, she seems like an independent dragon that doesn’t require a relationship, at all.
and i doubt either of her tribes would accept a rain-night as leader considering their hatred for eachother
I agree with all of this, despite me shipping this I totally understand that it has problems, like most of the ships. Also thank you for not talking about the age gap Bc don’t even start, Tui didn’t make an age chart and stuff so ages are all over the place. I feel as if this ship could have been presented better. Also I agree, I don’t understand why the DoD hate do peril it’s not fair to her. I think this the books have many problems, but after all we have to remind ourselves that at least they didn’t go as far as the warrior cats series in spottedleaf’s heart… yet… anyways amazing art, have a good day
I love that you called deathbringer murder basket
I would LOVE to see a Ripnami video. Its so fun watching someone actually see my perspective on these ships and it would be amazing if you talked about Ripnami
Finally someone who doesn’t use a honest mistake age gap as a reason to hate the ship (but it is a good reason) these are great reasons! Though I love this ship I completely support this, and these reasons actually make me really think about it. Like damn, they just accepted deathbringer but peril was never trusted- I never realized till now how much was wrong with it, most videos on this have me with the same opinion as I did before where they just use the age gap mistake as the reason instead of the actual writing
fact，i love this ship bc glory and DB are my fav characters in these book.(their interactive are soooo cute!)
but i still think their relationship probablyyyyy, grew too fast.If Tui can give them more space to move their
relationship, they will be better!
(and I dont like that external transmission too，its seem so deliberate)
"Glory never actually says she likes him," and she is nit the nicest to him.
i love glory x deathbringer, and i love to see youtubers showing their opinion about the ship, but i didnt just watch the hole youtube video and say i loved the ship for no reason, i actually want to draw the WoF charaters but i really suck at it any suggestions?
I respect everyone’s opinions, Glory is still my favourite character, I honestly don’t have an opinion on the ship yet, also cool artwork Cryosphere and your awesome 👍😊👏
Cool video! You make some great points! I tend to disagree with a lot of your opinions, but that’s kind of why I watch these videos, to hear both sides (couldn’t watch the Winterwatcher one, but I can see why it could be seen as toxic but that’s besides the point) Yiu make a lot of great points, and thank you for not hating it solely for a mistake by the author! I’ll still love this ship, but it’s very interesting to see all the points made!
Could you rant about moonbli?if you have nothing to rant about I could give you some reasons,
That is doing nothing trust me winter.quibli.and noon is a whole argument
@@pipergordon9958 than this video is doing nothing
For the most part, I haven’t cared for it either. Well, it’s mostly braised for me because I plain don’t like Glory, but I love Deathbringer’s personality. Though their interactions are cute, I just don’t see it, and I think that maybe the Clory ship would actually be *better*. There are still problems with Clory, but for the most part, the cons of Glorybringer are probably bigger than Clory.
I don't think this is a bad ship I don't like it and I don't hate it its just a basic ship
im dont really care about glorybringer, i never really investigated that ship.. ...but... i just dont like glory. she was cool at first but when she became queen of both nightwings and rainwings, i felt that was a little far.
GloryBringer is my favorite ship ):
I love this ship its too obviouse deathbringer likes glory!! (Sorry for my bad spelling) :)
Deathbringer: "why you gotta be so rude, don't you know I'm human too. I'm gonna marry her anyway, and we'll be a family. so why you gotta be so rude?."
Hey did you know in every book of wings of fire each dragonet liked somebody😮😮
He follows orders. Like most dragons. Also, the following, have you read the winglets? He had some pretty bad trauma, so now he just simply is overprotective. So his mom died because he had to follow her demands, so her death was kinda his fault but not completely. After that towards I believe the end of his part he says he'll break any for anyone else he actually cares about. He broke the rules A LOT for Glory. I just can't see how this is a toxic relationship, and you are definitely focusing on th negative. And this is Glorys first every love relationship, like romantic wise not family (DoD), it's not going to be perfect. Buttttt I'm pretty sure this is cannon anyway cuz for firefly so lol 😂
Two years later and I still love this video! Deathbringer is one of my least favorite characters in the entire series! He’s so annoying and never once did I ever think he was funny or charming! Hatred aside, I still despise this ship. It made me uncomfortable from the beginning so I was very happy to see your accurate take on it! If you ever continue this series, I think you should do ripnami. I don’t like that ship because the characters have literally zero chemistry and nobody ever talks about it so It’d be nice to see a video on it!
Arthors like myself do make mistakes. None is perfect
i’d like to mention that none of the ships that i rant about are because of “bad writing” or because of a “mistake”
Since these are all opinions, it’s really up to a certain view.
I love Tuis writing, i just like sharing my opinions online (not because I think tuis a bad author)
a ship I actully agree with you
Hehe "Oh its canon so you have to ship it" >:)
I understand that there are problems, but I still don't agree with you. Glory left her friends in the snow for only a few minutes to investigate Deathbringer and went back to her friends. Yes, she scared her friends with an IceWing disguise, but if Deathbringer or a IceWing saw, they would investigate. Also, Deathbringer did know that Glory had an IceWing disguise and he even knew her real name. Deathbringer couldn't have spied on them because Glory and her friends would have heard. With the relationship topic, DEATHBRINGER WAS GLORY'S BODYGUARD, NOT AN ASSASSIN. So no, it's not like dating a serial killer and he won't kill your family because you're in a relationship. Glory did let Deathbringer go after he hurt Blaze and Tsunami, but Tsunami had a minor injury and Blaze was helped by the IceWing healers right away. Glory spat venom in Scarlet's face instead of Peril's because the venom would melt right off Peril's face, but for Scarlet, if you killed her, Peril wouldn't have to kill anyone else in the arena. For Deathbringer, it was different because he fell in love with Glory at first sight, but Glory didn't start to love him until the 6th book, Moon Rising, I think. When Glory became queen of the RainWings and NightWings, Deathbringer did follow her around all the time. That is because he is deeply in love with her and would do anything to protect her, even if it means death. Glory did deserve someone better before, but since Deathbringer would die to save her, she doesn't deserve someone else. Tui said that the age difference between Glory and Deathbringer was a mistake, it doesn't change the love of Glorybringer in the story, and the opinion of the readers who read about Glorybringer.
I think what should be nex is moon x kinkajou, i ship then in a au where kinkajou and moon met as little kids, id love to hear you're take on such a au
I agree with this they don’t belong together I dispose this ship and the firefly at the end of book 6 is not there’s I drop my case
can you please do ripnami? it’s one of my fav ships!
one thing I hate...is how everyone gets riled up about stupid wof ships. Like sure, some are good ships and some are bad, but there isnt any reason to argue about them when its liiiiiiiterally just a book series about dragons. I'm not trying to make it to where you hate every ship or reply to this comment with hate, but like I don't get it. Sure, I love a couple ships, hate a couple, but I dont see any reason to throw hate to the people who love the ships and cause an argument.
I was never invested in any of the Wings Of Fire couples and thought most of them were rather forgettable or boring. Deathbringer and Glory is another one that I just don’t care about. It all happens way too fast and I don’t feel like they had enough time to develop as a couple or let Deathbringer redeem himself. Anyway, the ship is boring and I do not enjoy it. And I don’t really like Glory of Deathbringer either which could also be why.
I respect your opinion but if glory hit peril instead of scarlet clay still would have to fight in the arena and glory says in the books she waits for the right moment to use her venom and in pretty the only reason they don’t trust peril that much is bc she is a flame 🔥
I don't really think the ship fits Glory's personality, and it's been dragged out a lot. Also, Deathbringer says he's loyal to Glory, then completely ignores her orders to stop following her.
Well, another ship you could do is Thorn x Smolder. It might not have much to say, as it's only mentioned for a bit in book 10. But what bugs me the most about it is the fact that Smolder is twice the age of Thorn. He is literally old enough to be her father. His daughter is the same age as Thorn. Probably a mistake with ages, but just an idea as I've never really seen it mentioned in the fandom
I personally don't really like Glorybringer either- not because of the age difference. I just.. don't. Its nice to know that someone else relates lol
Glory falling in love with Deathbringer fell WAYYYYY out of character for her. It was too soon. Poorly developed. Even IF the age gap didn’t exist.
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH
It is the worst bc of the age and all do the other reasons. CMON TUI
Actully I may listen too you but only when the titals just like Mabel tone down a bit it the titles still good art
NO!! GLORYBRINGER IS THE
BEST SHIP!!! I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE AGE GAP!
You should look at Scorn the Ashwings video called Glorybringer analysis By Scron The AshWing it has really good evidence about Deathbringers age! Also I Love GloryBringer I think they work perfectly and that the way you are wording things and saying thongs like Murder and Stalker is a little harsh and over exaggerated since his reaction to killing Glory and her friends was not to and he only her to keep her safe and she seems to allow that (yes I know he is basically doing those things but I think if Glory didn't like it she could force him away but she doesn't but this is my opinion and I completely respect yours!
Let me just point out that you threw murder and toxic relationships around like they were nothing. And if Glory didn't want the relationship she'd be making that VERY clear.
Could you do a bit of research on the toll murdering someone takes on your mental stability? And research what a toxic relationship is too. Because Glorybringer is not it.
None of that means anything when there’s a 13yr age gap between them (Glory even being the dragon version of a minor).
But also, I stand by it being super toxic, if you didn’t get enough info, there’s tons of videos on this topic! I’m sure they’ll explain it better for you.
But thanks for saying your opinion! I love the criticism always!
YES I don't like this ship and am so happy that you don't to
Meh…
No