Should Christians (non-LDS) use The Good and the Beautiful || TGTB Controversy Explained

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  • @homemakersbudget
    @homemakersbudget 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As someone who used to use this curriculum, I switched to Charlotte Mason. It is so much more deeper. It cultivates the child from the inside. And its foundation book is the Bible. Its a wonderful enrichment filled curriculum. It cultivates the mother as well because in order to teach your child what you want them to learn and how to be, the mother first has to fill and cultivate herself. TGATB is very fast paced. It doesnt focus on the child in excelling in areas. Just "go go go- we will come back later" type of style. In the later levels, the curriculum plants subtle sentences and their doctrine, which is being planted in the childs mind very subtle. It always tries to get the child to "focus on your feelings" which will be detrimental to the child later in their life. We live life by facts. Not feelings. And not hap-hazard work. But giving your best the first time and perfecting it.

  • @allheartandsong
    @allheartandsong 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I agree full heartedly.❤
    We started usimg tgtb last year and I am of non denominational faith. The curriculum hasnt said anything about mormonism in any of the lessons. I am a mom who really pays attention to every lesson and ai have a very sensitive spirit and I can pick up on a lot others may not see. ❤God will show me its not good if its not. So far we love it and will continue usong tgtb for language arts. We use Faithipedia for Bible and we attend church. I talk with my kids about our beliefs and I dont depend on their language arts to teach them about our faith. ❤

    • @reclaimingwonder
      @reclaimingwonder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@allheartandsong love this and definitely feel the same way! We even use Faithipedia too 😊

  • @natasjameets271
    @natasjameets271 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    We absolutely love TGTB. The spiral style of learning is the best thing for our daughter who needs lots of repetition, and the fun interactive style of teaching makes it fun for us both.
    As a born-again Christian myself we have not found anything in the LA or Math that goes against what we believe.

    • @reclaimingwonder
      @reclaimingwonder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@natasjameets271 that’s exactly how I feel too 🤗

  • @SnoopDugg
    @SnoopDugg 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I figured I'd make a comment instead of just a reply but Mormon here. To anybody who is worried about using this program because they don't want to contribute money to an organization that they don't agree with, the only money that the church would receive from this curriculum would be the money that its creator pays in tithing (if she is deciding to pay tithing on it which isn't necessarily a given for members of the church). In fact, in almost all cases, if a company or product is created by a Mormon that is all the involvement that the church will have. The only companies and organizations that earn profit directly for the church are those that have been created directly by the church by the direction of church leadership (Deseret Book, City Creek Mall in Salt Lake City, KSL Broadcasting, etc...) If a business venture is pursued by the lay membership of the church, it ought not to be associated with or even considered to be approved by the church. It is merely an individual venture by someone who happens to be a Mormon. That being said, of the idea of any portion (10% to be exact) of your money going to the church is hard to stomach, but you still want to use the curriculum, think about it (at risk of perpetuating a stereotype) like buying something from a gas station. You take the commodity, pay the guy behind the counter, and leave feeling satisfied with the snack you got. You don't know if the guy behind the counter will give part of his paycheck to a homeless guy or to his drug dealer, but at that point it is up to him to decide...

    • @reclaimingwonder
      @reclaimingwonder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SnoopDugg so true! Really appreciate you sharing your perspective ♥️

  • @rebekahian
    @rebekahian 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Totally agree! Especially with your point on the drama and judgment that surrounds it. That part makes me sad.

    • @reclaimingwonder
      @reclaimingwonder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@rebekahian I don’t know if people just take it upon themselves the importance of convincing others what they feel is right or wrong, or if they just enjoy the drama, but either way it is disheartening and hopefully will start to lessen ♥️

  • @joidavis5210
    @joidavis5210 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think you made very good points and I completely agree. When I first became a Christian, I unintentionally became very legalistic, and I know I would never have used a curriculum that was produced by someone who didn't believe the same as me. Thankfully, 10 years later, God has opened my eyes to so many things and allowed me to see so many things in a different light. We are using The Good and the Beautiful's Language Arts with my 3 oldest, and I'm using their Math with my kindergartener. It is such a beautiful, fun, and simple curriculum and I am so glad to be giving it a chance. Also, Jenny Philips has an incredible video on TH-cam sharing all the time, money, and struggles that have come with making this curriculum high quality while also keeping it free for those who need it. So amazing and eye-opening. Thanks for sharing this!!! ❤❤

    • @reclaimingwonder
      @reclaimingwonder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@joidavis5210 I don’t think I’ve seen that video - I’ll have to go watch it! I’ve seen enough of her videos to know that she really seems to be such a caring and loving woman, striving to serve God and serve others. Anything else really isn’t for me to judge. I’ve also had times in the past of struggling with being too legalistic but God had continued to remind me of how I need to extend the grace to others, that I do desperately need for myself! I love that you love the curriculum as much as we do - it truly makes homeschooling easier and more enjoyable ♥️

    • @joidavis5210
      @joidavis5210 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@reclaimingwonder yes! 😊

  • @elenahajda9291
    @elenahajda9291 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    We love Thegoodandthebeautiful curriculum. It's the best out there ❤ Made with pure love ❤️

    • @reclaimingwonder
      @reclaimingwonder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@elenahajda9291 agreed! It’s one of our favorites as well ♥️

  • @seasonsofwonder
    @seasonsofwonder 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yes! It is so hard to know because even companies claiming to be Christian may not truly be. The truth is we will never know. We did TGTB two years and loved it. I never came across anything that would go against our family's Christian beliefs. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. 🙏☺️

    • @reclaimingwonder
      @reclaimingwonder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@seasonsofwonder exactly!! We can do what we can and use discernment, but at some point we also need to simply let it go and have trust in God because we just can’t know some things.

  • @OurInspiredHomeschool
    @OurInspiredHomeschool 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I think we have to use our best judgment. I tried it a few years ago, but I’ll admit I felt uneasy using it. My thoughts were that when the original author refers to God in her writing she doesn’t mean the true God of the Bible. I also felt like the underlying message was “being good = salvation” vs faith brings good works into fruition. With that said, there wasn’t anything obviously LDS about it. 😅

    • @reclaimingwonder
      @reclaimingwonder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@OurInspiredHomeschool I can definitely understand you feeling that way, but I myself haven’t felt that - I love the emphasis on being kind, selfless, honest, and overall “good”. We do so many devotions/Bible studies/apologetics, that I’m not worried at all that my kids will be confused about where salvation comes from - our accepting Jesus as our savior because we are sinners in need of saving. I truly respect you for following that nudge you felt though ♥️

    • @cheriek3872
      @cheriek3872 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I fully agree! A few years ago I went to print the free version and had a overwhelming uneasy feeling so I didn’t use it

  • @michelleellingson8130
    @michelleellingson8130 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i’m a member of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints and I love Jesus! thank you for your heartfelt video. Lovely to see someone not hating it immediately out of hand because of “mormonism”. (as other christian’s like to label us).
    also would encourage you to not try and guess if someone is going to be saved. That is for Jesus to decide. much love! thanks again.

    • @reclaimingwonder
      @reclaimingwonder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@michelleellingson8130 I love this! And I agree - it’s not our place to judge others salvation. We should love others with the same Christ-like love whether we believe them saved or not, we’re to be at peace with all men. I think those of different Christian denominations especially need to be better about appreciating our common ground instead of arguing over our differences ♥️

  • @salemthorup9536
    @salemthorup9536 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm so grateful for Christians like you. Even those who don't like my church, i love them. Anyone who honestly professes the name of Christ is someone I celebrate in my heart. But you seem particularly centered on Christ. You have a lovely light. I've actually not used the curriculum. Nothing against it, just haven't gotten around to trying it yet. I might give it a chance this year.

    • @reclaimingwonder
      @reclaimingwonder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@salemthorup9536 thank you so much for your kind words! I agree - the Bible talks about believing in your heart and professing with your mouth that Jesus is our savior - other things aren’t very important as they aren’t salvation issues. We love the curriculum so much, hope you decide to give it a try to see if it’s a good fit for your family ♥️

  • @salemthorup9536
    @salemthorup9536 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If other Christians had any idea how much we love all of you ("Mormon" here), you'd realize that maybe we're not such a threat. We love supporting other Christians. We consider ourselves Christian because we worship, love and devote our lives to Jesus Christ. We believe in being truly good and upholding all that is good and very much the same things other Christians uphold. Yes, there are doctrinal differences between us and you, but I'm not convinced they are as big or profound as the differences between the many non-LDS Christian sects. TGTB tends to go more general Christian because there's already a very plentiful amount of homeschooling curriculums within our church community that are very much more centered specifically on our doctrine, history, etc.

    • @reclaimingwonder
      @reclaimingwonder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@salemthorup9536 thanks for sharing your perspective! I love this, and think a lot of non-mormon Christians would do well to follow your example ♥️

    • @KatieB-hi6cz
      @KatieB-hi6cz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I say this respectfully, we have profound doctoral differences. Salvation hangs on these differences. Mormonism is based off of good works. Christianity is purely on faith in Christ’s work on the cross alone. Yes, we should strive to have good morals and be as Christ like as possible, but salvation does not depend on it.

  • @Mannfamdhb03
    @Mannfamdhb03 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Honestly they'd be better off
    labeling it just the good and beautiful, not Christian. The good and the beautiful is a wolf in sheeps clothing. It is not focused on Christ dying for our sins and rising on the 3rd day, which is the cornerstone of the Christian faith.

    • @reclaimingwonder
      @reclaimingwonder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Mannfamdhb03 honestly I can’t say I agree, but I respect your opinion. Just because something is missing, doesn’t mean it leads you astray - if it mentioned Jesus as simply a good man or some other such lies then I would agree about the danger of that. However it doesn’t state anything that goes against the truth of Gods word. Hope you’ve found a curriculum that you do love though and works well for your family ♥️

    • @GoforGod1705
      @GoforGod1705 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Do you think it's worth using, just for the math and language? Obviously, I can supplement with the Bible and things, but just for the sole purpose of math, and spelling and Grammer, letters, and sounds, etc. Is it worth it?

    • @reclaimingwonder
      @reclaimingwonder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GoforGod1705 personally I find it so worth it - the math and LA are open-and-go, making my job so much easier, and my kids really love it! The math especially hardly has anything religious at all (I would love if it had a more about God in it, but I love the Godly values woven in here and there), but we do a lot of devotions and apologetics so my kids are being very exposed to scripture from so many different resources! You can download math and LA for free from TGTB website - I would suggest starting with that and looking through it to see if it’d be a good fit before buying physical copies (and you can always print the free downloads too)!

    • @Mannfamdhb03
      @Mannfamdhb03 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@GoforGod1705there are better programs out there. If it works for a family that's great, but it's not Christian... Without Jesus it can't be.
      If you want a Christian curriculum check out BJU, Generations, Apologia, Abeka, Gather Round Homeschool, Campfire Curriculum, Notgrass, Berean Builders
      If secular is okay with you All About Reading/Spelling and Math with Confidence are much better phonics, reading, and math companies.

  • @wvfarmersdaughter
    @wvfarmersdaughter 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I agree there are times where you can try to take your money away. We should try to support companies that support our values. I do use TGATB. I feel it is based on good values and it works for us. As LDS requires a mandatory tithe. The owner of TGATB is profiting from her company and a portion of that income is supporting LDS. Again if this is a problem then don't use it.

    • @salemthorup9536
      @salemthorup9536 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Tithing is not actually mandatory. It's a shockingly small percentage of our members who don't tithe. In fact, it's a majority percentage of our members who don't actually pay tithing. Among those who do, there's a very wide range of how much of their income they actually pay. Yes, we're supposed to pay tithing to get a temple recommend, but the way they determine if we "pay a full tithe" is just by asking us. There's no scrutiny beyond that.

    • @reclaimingwonder
      @reclaimingwonder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wvfarmersdaughter I agree and feel the same way!

  • @mylifeintheusa4720
    @mylifeintheusa4720 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    My issue with this curriculum is that they claim to be a christian curriculum but besides the owner being a member of the LDS church there are people working for her who are Catholic and Seventh Day Adventist. None of these believe what orthodox christianity teaches. They have their own doctrines that are not biblical. Mormons believe that their God (Heavenly Father) was once a man who lived on another planet and worshipped a different God. The goal of mormonism is to become a God of your own planet, have a goddess wife, and give birth to many spirit children. Mormons also believe that Satan is Jesus' spirit brother. I could go on and on. After studying mormonism and the LDS church I found out that their beliefs are not even close to what Christians believe. They are not another denomination. I cannot support a curriculum that claims to be christians but uses people as reviewers that don't believe what christians ought to believe. Please do your own research.

    • @reclaimingwonder
      @reclaimingwonder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mylifeintheusa4720 I’ve spoken to different members of the LDS church and assure you they don’t all believe the things you mentioned. I’m not an expert on denominations and religions, nor is it my place to make claims or accusations of what others may or may not believe. I do know that the curriculum includes nothing that goes against Gods word and is filled with Godly values. I wouldn’t use a Bible curriculum from a company filled with so many different denominations but I personally think it’s really cool that so many different people of varying denominations are able to come together within this company and work peaceably together. The things you mention are certainly far from my belief system that’s grounded in scripture, but I don’t have any worries about those things being in this curriculum. But I continue to pray for guidance on what I use in my family (not just curriculum but other media we consume) and trust the Holy Spirit to lead me. Thanks for sharing your perspective, I’d be curious to hear how members of the LDS church would respond to these claims. I know there are a lot of religions that have crazy beliefs steeped deep within them, but most members of that church/religion haven’t even heard of them nor believe them. Curious if there’s any of that within the Mormon church!

    • @RhinestoningCowgirl
      @RhinestoningCowgirl 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@reclaimingwonderI am a former Mormon. Yes they do believe these things it’s church doctrine. They just twist and hide it. There are many other beliefs such as prosperity doctrine they push as well

  • @trainthemintruth9414
    @trainthemintruth9414 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Mormons are not Christian. They have their own book (not the Bible) and their beliefs are way different from Christians. This has to be understood, because it brings the difference between denominations of the same religion to actually two different religions. They are fundamentally different and you cannot ignore that. So, even if the curriculum does not contain anything Mormon, it’s definitely not Christian either. You cannot label it Christian when the founder is LDS and definitely not in line with the Word of God.

    • @reclaimingwonder
      @reclaimingwonder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@trainthemintruth9414 from what I understand, Mormons believe in and use the Bible and also believe in Jesus Christ - which is why they are considered Christians. They have additional things they believe, including the Book of Mormon, that don’t line up with my beliefs but I’m not convinced that those are salvation issues. God is the judge of that, not us. The Good and the Beautiful contains many truths from scripture and nothing that goes against Gods word, it is written from a Biblical world view, which is what makes it a Christian company. I’m not an expert on denominations and religions, but even if I was that wouldn’t mean I know what’s in someone’s heart. I am very strict however on the media my family consumes and what I use to teach my children, and I have had no qualms or uneasiness about using this company. Thanks for sharing your perspective in a respectful way!

  • @danahall1282
    @danahall1282 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    But don't some of the profits go to the Mormon church? I heard that from someone else on youtube

    • @user-xy6qh7nu2g
      @user-xy6qh7nu2g 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They don't go to the Mormon church. The creator probably tithes some of her earnings, though which would. I don't mind though because when I shop at places like Target or Walmart or really anywhere I don't know where my money is going after.

    • @reclaimingwonder
      @reclaimingwonder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@danahall1282 you know, I’ve never heard anything stating or hinting that they do, but honestly I don’t know for sure. The curriculum is so reasonably priced that I honestly can’t imagine there being that big of a profit in the first place, and I know they have given profits to mission work in Africa, so if they were giving any to the LDS church I couldn’t imagine it would be very much - all speculation as I really don’t know for sure! And honestly it wouldn’t surprise me if people that were anti-tgtb spread that even if they didn’t know it to be true :/

    • @danahall1282
      @danahall1282 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@reclaimingwonder ok, I wasn't sure. I have heard so many "stories". We do use the typing and handwriting

    • @SnoopDugg
      @SnoopDugg 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Mormon here, this is correct. The only money that the church would receive from this curriculum would be the money that its creator pays in tithing (if she is deciding to pay tithing on it which isn't necessarily a given for members of the church). In fact, in almost all cases, if a company or product is created by a Mormon that is all the involvement that the church will have. The only companies and organizations that earn profit for the church are those that have been created directly by the church by the direction of church leadership (Deseret Book, City Creek Mall in Salt Lake City, KSL Broadcasting, etc...) If a business venture is pursued by the lay membership of the church, it ought not to be associated with or even considered to be approved by the church. It is merely an individual venture by someone who happens to be a Mormon.

    • @reclaimingwonder
      @reclaimingwonder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SnoopDugg thanks for the clarification!