Thank you all so much for the kind comments and for sharing all your stories. Also, we wanted to make a small correction. It's easy to become psychologically reliant on beta blockers, but they're not physically addictive. Thanks a lot to those who pointed this out in the comments!
I was thinking a lot about what music means to me today. After 2 hours of crying I remembered why I wanted to do music in the first place. It's like I regained an important part of me. Thank you.
Thanks to you for talking so openly about this matter. As a suggestion, wouldn't it be nice to have a Women's Day video? Yo could show us or recomend to us some female musicians or composers that you like. Obviously we all love Hilary Hans but there must be other women not so well know (speacially to people like me, that did not receive an arts-related education). Just think about it
In fact, if one day it is the case that you both want or need a break, or whatever is best for you, for your health, or happiness, you can be sure that your community of followers will support you, because we love you! 🙏❤️ And everything you've done has changed a lot of people's views about classical music. ✨🎻 I can say that for myself, that I started playing the violin again after 13 years .. 🙏🎻 So, you both are amazing, but also human. Count on us and our support IF one day this is the case. 🙏 We love you, twoset! 🙏🎻🎻✨❤️
My mom was a professional performing violist and teacher. She quit before she had me, and told me years later "If someone quit being a classical musician, it was never because of the music."
I really agree with this. (Idk if I’ve stopped yet but...) I felt like I no longer liked playing violin cause it made me so stressed whenever I played but I love classical music so so much
Did you guys notice that Brett and Eddy did not wear their merch. Instead just a solid black and greyish-white t-shirt. That’s when you know they ain’t messing.
It also helps me to give that voice a name. Mine is named Chelsea so every time she acts up I can be like " Shut up Chelsea! No one cares about your opinions!" Sorry to anyone named Chelsea
Yeah that's easy enough to say ion practice it's extremely harder than you think and the "they'll calm down thing" is a common thing people who are schizoids(and out of date and "non PC" term for someone with schizophrenia) try to do and fail. I've worked in mental hospitals before as a pharmacist i've seen the effects of mild to severe schizophrenia before(hint not pretty.) We all have inner voices but if it's getting to the point you're describing it as an annoying inner roommate that's a sign it's possibly interfering with some aspects of life. I'm just as someone who has cut themselves out of depression/anxiety due to my inner voice ignoring it can be detrimental to your wellbeing. hearing voices is a common symptom for a wide range of mental illness strangely enough not just schizophrenia and bipolar. All i can offer as "medical advice" legally(disclaimer i have a PhD in pharmacology but i am not a licensed doctor just i did the extra work to get a doctorate none of what i said should be taken as medical advice just a suggestion) is that if your inner voice gets to a point where its too hard to ignore or starts causing problems in your day to day life it would be a good idea to see a psychiatrist and get checked out because it could be the sign of something and suppressing it wont make it any better.
@@michealpersicko9531 thanks for sharing that info! Quickly, I think we need to make a distinction between "negative self talk" and "voices in your head". The roommate analogy might help for the former, but as you said, is dangerous for the latter.
I'm a physical therapist in the US, and if anyone is interested, what Eddy experienced is called conversion disorder. It is a very real psychological phenomenon where the body manifests physical disability originating from stress, anxiety, and depression. This is sadly an often overlooked diagnosis and many are written off as being fakers, adding to the stigma that is mental illness. And for anyone still on the fence about this, think of a food that gave you food poisoning or the alcohol you got ridiculously hung over on. Do you feel nauseous? Yes? You just experienced a physical response based on a memory in your head. Conversion disorder is like that, but at a much deeper level mentally and more severe in it's physical presentation.
I'm curious if Conversion Disorder and Fibromyalgia are actually the same thing. I have Fibro. And the pain and other symptoms went away when my stress decreased and depression improved. It's interesting that the treatment for fibro, along with cbt (which I didn't find helpful) is antidepressants!
Thank you so much for this information it happened to me a few years back but no one had any idea of what was really going on, I also went to a physiologist and she said everything was fine, because I never really been depressed but I have always been and accident prone child and I often got sick so seeing my parents stressed over me and the medical bills really took a toll on me mentally without me knowing about it... A lot people said I was just faking it to have more attention to myself, it's good to know about this things thanks for giving me more insight of what happened to me when no one else could.
Having read up further, conversion disorder does not manifest as pain, but other symptoms such as blindness and paralysis. In this case Eddie's inability to walk wasn't paralysis but pain. So what Eddie had is unlikely to be C.D. (though as I'm not a specialist I wouldn't say it absolutely isn't). It does sound more like fibro - which can and does stop people walking due to pain.
@@hellfirepictures It's still under debate if FMS is a part of CD or even if it is a somatoform disorder altogether. There's evidence that indicates overlap between the two, but not on most cases, so the general tendency has been to dissociate the two as 2 separate things. But yeah you are right to notice similarities, however its not clear if they are even due to the same mental/physiological processes, or just happen to have similar symptoms/circumstances. Tough topic! lots of research still going around
@@hellfirepictures hi j a question: doesn’t antidepressants like make fibro worse? My friend has fibro and they said that it doesn’t rly matter what u do bc fibro makes u depressed which worsens the condition further, but antidepressants also worsen the condition somehow?
Given the range that TwoSet have in their audience worldwide, this might be one of their most important videos for young and ambitious musicians. I don't see this awareness and support come in universities very soon. I rather have the impression, overambitious university teachers play a huge role in raising the pressure on their students.
Many professors just want the best for their students! Unfortunately, they also are under a lot of pressure from everywhere (parents, students, University administration, etc.) for the University to be always the best, or become better. Many professors also go through Burn Out, Depression, and Mental Health issues because of all the pression. They were also "raised" with the idea they are to be perfect for the job, otherwise they are not "worth" the job they are doing. We basically live in an over competitive world that is pushing us all over the edge. People should fight back against that instead of letting it rule over us.
theres some prof thats actually encourage, and how they go to fangirl mode abt what they passion, of all the prof in my uni i can count only 3 in my degree thats still so passionate and even offer some project to collaborate with us students, i wish theres more profs like that world wide that would be beautiful and fun :')
100%. I‘ve had a very manipulative, psychologically abusive teacher at conservatory and even after talking to all important people there no one was willing to do something. The only thing that happened was that I got to know many many other students who went through similar situations, sometimes even physical abuse. Conservatories worry about their reputation and they are putting their students future and their mental health at risk.
There is a time where you have to draw the line and stop the practicing and do self care. There is also a time where we practice. We just gotta know our body to know when to stop and when to start. Don't push yourself too much and just do your best.
So, I don't know if you will ever read this, but I wanted to say thank you. I come from a third-world country with limited access to certain things. This includes classical music. I started learning to play the violin at the age of 9 and loved it so much that I wanted to continue studying classical music after high school. Almost 11 years ago, I went to university intending to pursue a double major. One of those majors was in music. I assumed that university would be a perfect place to grow as a musician. I was right, but only to an extent. You see, I learned that (as the professor would word it) "my skills were so poor, there was no way I could ever be considered as a music major". I came to realize that for the 9 years I spent learning the instrument, my teacher had not been a very good one. There were skills and information I should have learned that I never did. My level at the time was comparatively low for a college musician. I never blamed the university for this. If I had a better-trained teacher growing up, I wouldn't have been in this mess in the first place. Still, I was determined to get into this program. I loved music and desperately wanted to improve. So, when they offered to accept me as a probational student, I agreed. By the end of the school year, I was kicked out of the program. Despite their lessons, I still wasn't good enough. I spent the next 2 years as a music minor, taking classes to improve my skills. By the end of my third year, I passed the audition and was finally accepted as a music major. I was happy, but only for a time. You see, I had endured quite a bit of bullying by a few music majors during this time, and when I became accepted as a music major, the bullying extended to some of the professors. I won't go into much detail here about what I went through, but it was absolute hell. My already high level of anxiety and depression spiked. My self-esteem plummeted. I was told things like "the only reason why I took you in as a student is because the department chair begged me to". Eventually, I had a breakdown and was forced to see a therapist on campus. Despite all of this, I pushed through, and in my 5th year of undergrad (yeah...still did the double major), I performed a successful senior recital. Professor (surprisingly) expressed pride in me. I was proud of myself too. I continued playing in the school's orchestra while working on my masters in the other major, but with time, the trauma of it all came back to haunt me. I found myself playing violin and piano increasingly less than before. Now, it's a struggle to even touch the instrument. I get literal panic attacks from seeing masterclasses now. My mental health is a wreck. But people made it seem like I was being dramatic...that I should be over this by now. So, seeing you talk about mental health and its impact on the classical music community made me really happy. Thank you for being willing to bring topics like these to the surface. Things like this matter to so many of us. I'm sorry this was so long. I don't know if you will even read this, but I wanted to share just how and why you impacted me so much. I definitely look forward to seeing what else you come out with. ❤️
Your experience is really interesting and it's very sad that you were treated this badly when you were just a student who wanted to get better at music. I hope one day you will be able to experience the joy of playing music again.
@winry101 please turn yourself around, look in a new direction, and start again. With any instument play among friends, play in amateur concerts, play in folk groups, sing or accompany a choir (however bad, choirs love putting on concerts for family and friends). Play anywhere and the inner musical spirit that was always inside you will manifest itself again. Forget masterclasses if they make you miserable. My father said I wasn't talented enough for him to pay for music college, so I did normal Uni, and have had a string instrument under my chin ever since. From what you write, I have a feeling you need to find the right context well away from perfectionists, so you can again feel happy to pick up a violin, tune it and play.
You are not alone. I dont play any instrument, but i know very well that everything has its own pace. I had a car accident 2012 (minor bruises, not much damage) and since then i started to panic an cry as soon as my mother came up with "wanna try to drive today?". I developed a panic disorder, besides my depression disorder. I really hope that maybe one day you can find a therapist or whatever you need to disconnect the instrument and music from the feelings and memorys that haunts you. But take the time you need. You decide. No pressure please. I wish you all the best.
We talk a lot about this in home recently. My wife is a researcher, and there mental sickness is predetermined by definition. It used to be about science and now it is just about money.. - nobody take about it. I work in the IT where competition can least to burnout very quickly and overtime is often expected and made part of the IT startup culture. .- nobody take about it. My brother works on huge construction sites as electrician, which is heavily underpaid, sometimes having up to 100 hours overtime per month, and you cannot fight against it, as if your don't comply, someone else will do it for even less money. - nobody take about it. This is a global problem that nobody talks about. We concluded that this is modern slavery and no different from the past. It is just less obvious.
I try to figure out how to deal with mental health problems, because I've been there and always am surrounded by it. Even if you do everything you can for years, it's still takes time. I am always so grateful for everything I learned and how I've grown, but I am struggling more than ever. Sometimes symptoms doesn't show when you are in the process but after you already made progress. A bit like getting sick in the holidays. It's okay to feel difficult feelings, it might sound awful, but they want to help you by showing that's something going wromg, that you need to look at and acknowledge something you might not be aware of
About as likely to find Jesus as a neurologist who knows what they're doing. It took Eddy a long time, a lot of people, alas, never find the person.... Thank goodness Eddy!
Do you realize how lucky you 2 are to have each other? The way you look at each other when talking about such a personal issue just makes me wish I have a friend like that too.
I am so so so so so lucky to have a twin sister who I can always talk to about everything. We never argue, the closest we get to arguing is annoying each other by talking too much by accident, and we both just understand each other. We’re COMPLETE opposites. Not only by appearance, but with personality too! I like classical, she likes k-pop. I like realism, cubism, and abstract, and she likes anime styled art. I play violin, she plays viola. I get stressed all the time, she never gets stressed ONCE. I get nervous for no reason, and she doesn’t. The main thing between us two is that we’re both introverts. The only person we can confide in is... each other. And that to me is the most special form of connection. The amount of NIGHTMARES I have had about her being murdered, run over by a car, or just passing away from an illness..... it truly is my worst fear. Without her, I feel worthless; I can’t do anything. I’m tearing up just writing about it. She’s the sun to my world. She grows the life that’s on it. She feeds the beautiful plants with her rays of sunlight that she generously gives me. I can’t imagine a life without her, and if I hadn’t had her.... I might’ve just killed myself. I’m not joking. The amount of anxiety and stress I get causes psychological issues, as TwoSet explained. And without her.... I just can’t imagine a life that can thrive. It would all just wither away.
@@idroppedmychicken Always feel free to let your sister know about how you feel. Considering the mutual love between you two, I'm sure that she'll appreciate your admiration & attachment towards her. :)
I'm a psychologist and I must say that this video is too precious. We need to stop pretending that mental health is a taboo and be open about it. Thanks for the courage to bring it up! Oh! And I must commend by how mindful and carefull you guys were about that.
Yes!! I’m a psych student and I completely agree, the reason why I wanted to go into psych in the first place is bc I want to fight the mentality that mental health is taboo and that it shouldn’t be talked about.
ths sad thing those kind of stigma make many people refuse to acknowledge their condition (while they still have good insight) and refuse any treatment and the circle continue.
Hi. I am a clinical psychologist and professor and I have specialized in my research and clinical work on perfectionism and the negative impact on everything from burnout, depression, anxiety, and performance. In my practice I see a lot of very creative people but musicians, and classical musicians in particular. This video is wonderful and I have been trying to educate classical musicians and students (in particular) about these issues. Moreover, as a former classical music student, there is a depth to these issues that can benefit incredibly from working with a very well-trained therapist. I will refer my patients to this video and I appreciate greatly the bringing of this information to awareness. Paul.
@@cherrybeom4181 Go to your local psychologist or psychiatrist. It only takes a few hours to find out what you may or may not have. I also wouldn't focus to much on the diagnosis. If you feel like you need help go for it. There are many professionals out there who would love to help you in dealing with you situation.
@@mangoeisteegamer9351 thanks for the advice ! it's rare to have any doctors that deal with mental health issues here since my country considers it as a taboo but I'll find someone to help, hopefully I could find someone within this year!
I recently lost my friend. She was the brightest smartest person I knew. She burnt out and took her own life. Please everyone take a moment to love yourself, take a break, it’s okay. Theres so much more to live for.
A good friend of mine attended uni for viola performance. After less than a year, she stood on the roof of a tall building, toes over the edge, and seriously considered ending it. In that moment, she knew that she couldn't continue and switched to something else. It's now several years later, and I don't think she's touched her viola since. Which is a shame, because let me tell you, I played in several concerts with her and she played beautifully.
@@user-tg5mq8ky2y I was referring to the 'several years later' aspect when she would no longer be suicidal... and that if she once played beautifully, that love for music and playing an instrument might still be dormant, though any links with viola/suicide would need her to seek professional help to achieve this.... Sorry i wasn't specific enough...
Timestamps 2:09 Stress and Burnt out 5:33 Eddy shares when he was in uni, over practicing, and experiencing intense pain in his arms that stopped him from playing. It eventually spread to his legs and he couldn't walk and was in a wheel chair. 9:43 How psychological issues manifest physically. 10:42 Depression 12:00 A bit about Bretts personal experience 13:16 Anxiety 14:46 Industry secret, people taking beta blocks/drugs to control anxiety and nerves. 16:57 Wrapping up Part 1, intentions with creating this video. 17:53 Sharing lessons they've learned. "Realize it's okay." Talk to someone. 18:50 "Once you realize it's okay to acknowledge you're going through something, allow yourself to seek help." 19:22 It's okay to experience an emotion, and not identify with the emotion. 20:33 The voice in your head is not really who you are. 20:58 They share practical things they've done. Build healthy habits. Your mind is apart of your body. 22:26 Overall closing comments 23:04 Ending credits This is a important video with a lot of info that can help people so I made timestamps of the different sections of the topic they went through, and things that stood out to me. I hope it helps.
I was diagnosed with a neurological disorder last year due to excessive stress and fatigue, and has been depressed since then. This channel has been one of the things where I can somehow feel a little bit better even for a short while. Take care, everyone.
I have been a musician for over 40 years now , I cannot believe that you two young guys have acquired so much wisdom and humanity already. I spent years on the competition boards and can totally relate to all the darkness that comes with it. I was lucky and eventually found my way out, but Jesus , I wish that I had seen this video back in the 1980's. You lads are GOLDEN.
Yes! More people need to know that mental health issues can manifest itself in so many different ways. I’m a med student and it’s been emphasised to us over and over to never discount a patients pain. Even if there’s no organic pathology involved we’ve been told to never make the patient feel like their pain isn’t real. It *IS* real.
As a nurse I tell my patients "I'm not saying your pain is all in your head, I'm saying ALL pain is in your head. All pain gets processed and recognized in your brain." When you are experiencing pain, what is happening in your head matters.
I’ve been dealing with this recently. Facial injury (I play trombone, so... bad) and tendonitis (see above parentheses) have been pretty bad for me. I’m certain it’s psychosomatic because I work myself so hard. My brain does it to me to protect me from something. It’s good you see it too.
@@jacquelinek5036 exactly! And something being "in your head" doesnt make it less real. I remember seeing this comic recently about someone telling "but don't worry its all in your head" and the other answers "yeah, but that's also where I live"
As someone with clinically diagnosed depression and anxiety, this is the best I have ever, ever heard two public figures talk about this sort of stuff. Raw, vulnerable, and really hoping to make an impact. This is such an important video, for both musicians and non-musicians.
@@faramia05 Virtual hugs. I hope you gain the energy to make it through everyday, my friend. Even if everything isn't alright, I believe that you'll make it out alive😊
This is such an important topic, thank you for bringing this up! Edit: I work in healthcare and the issues brought up are so real. It takes a lot of courage to share personal experiences, I'm really glad Twoset are able to do so. From a healthcare professional's perspective, it can also be immensely difficult to help people with mental health problems without proper training, empathy and experience. Thank you once more for bringing this to everyone's attention!
After watching this video, I'm so glad that Brett and Eddy have met each other. When Eddy was in his worst time, Brett was there, consoled him and Brett was also the first friend Eddy informed that he was getting better. Eddy recognized what was happening with Brett recently as well. So for everyone out there, and for me too, i hope that we will always appreciate the one that love us, stay beside us ( it could be your friend, family, pets and even your trees :>) And for you guys, who feel like they dont even have corner to release the stress, you have this comment, you can tell me your story. As a stranger, i wouldn't know what to tell you, but i still love you, and this Ling Ling community will love you too. I also feel so grateful that i have found this TH-cam channel, it is just not ridiculous, it is the most wholesome channel and Ling Ling is the most heart warming community, foreverrrrrrrrrrr.
Love you too... I'm really struggling with diagnosed depression since two years, and it's really tough... No tdoing homework for school, not practicing the piano 'cause i don't feel mentally right... 20 years old... What a shit age... I don't even want to go to school because i can't make friends. My classmates always say that i just "complain", if that's what they mean, just because i talk to my real friends in school about myself... I don't know what to do anymore... almost 7 years of school and i'm a fucking failure... Sorry, but i just had to let out all of this and felt the need to tell someone... Emanuele
@@angieje Try a couch to 5k walk run program. There are many plans online for free. And remember to run at "conversation pace", which is that you are going slow enough and not breathing so hard that you can still hold a conversation as you run.
Thanks for making this video! Mental health isn't talked about enough (not only in music). 15 years ago, I often was terribly nervous performing, and my bow would often shake at the start of concerts. I do know people who take beta blockers, but it's not a long-term solution. Even though beta blockers calm your nerves, I think they also sedate the most exciting and human part of yourself. But that's what makes a performance really worth listening to musically. Do we go to concerts because we want to hear everything perfect and played with the steadiest bow, or because we want to hear something beautiful, exciting, extraordinary, inspired? The main thing that helped me with stagefright was to pay attention to how I breathe in practice, and making sure I breathe the same way in performance. You mentioned sleeping well, that is huge. I also realized that in a hall, people who sit a few rows away already don't bow-shake all that clearly-- it's possible to get way too worked up about something that most of the audience didn't even notice- from a distance it can almost sound like vibrato to a layperson. And finally, we shouldn't make our own happiness dependent on how well a performance goes....... It's too easy to get into a sort of tunnel vision when you are practicing day after day. Over the years it became easier until the stage became my favorite place to be. But it was a long road and I remember what it used to feel like years ago! I feel for anyone who is trying to find their own way to cope with the nerves.
But Augustin, we don't really care what they want from us that is to say, that's not what is frightening - it's what we want to offer and what we want them to hear from us that's making us afraid.
Thank you for this wonderful comment Augustin. I also believe that the use of various sedatives and pills has both positive and negative effects on the playing. Now I also suffer very much from the fact that I can not play well enough on stage because of my fear - I do not have a shakying bow, but I clamp so hard (my hands are in great tension) that the sound on my violin becomes dimmer and worse than I could do. I try to arrange concerts in front of my friends every week (to be nervous) and it really, really helps. Anyway, for some people it would be very useful to talk to some people in the public or with friends, it sometimes really calms and instills confidence.
Would anyone be willing to try Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, if anxiety is this bad? It works quite well, and if you’ve invested a good part of your life in learning this instrument, or any stage craft, it would certainly be worth the effort and cost, and you don’t continue on and on with sessions, as with other types of therapy. Just a suggestion.❤️
I had a terrible teacher who morally destroyed me, although I won various competitions. Because of the teacher, I finished my music studies at an advanced level, but I was devastated and could no longer touch the instrument for 8 years. And guess what? I watched Twoset every day for a month and they said go practice and I got over my fear of the instrument. Now I have reached the level of a good student of a music school again! this is a victory, thank you
Same here😥 stopped for 3 years after my degree...my teacher bullied me called me stupid and through music in my face😥❤ so happy to hear that you started again
There are quite a few famous musicians who absolutely hate music competitions. The idea there is one "winner" and everyone else is a "loser" is cruel. Everyone is unique; we all have a story to share. Welcome back to music!
guys, your own mental and physical health should be your priority, and please PLEASE don't feel like we (twosetters) are pressuring you into endless content. we obviously love any videos you make, but if you need a break, for however long, there is no shame in that. we arent going anywhere!
I love that fact, that we hear Rachmaninoff's 2nd piano concerto in the background because it is his comeback piece after a period of depression and he dedicated it to his therapist.
Dear TwoSet, During a very hard period of depression and anxiety, my classmates introduced me to your channel. I hadn't really cared for classical music and hadn't practiced my violin much before I found you. I started watching your channel, and you inspired me to love classical music. I could relate to many composers and their music, and it also helped me calm down when I was upset. When my mental health issues got so bad that I had to go to a psychiatric hospital, I decided to start practicing daily after lunch. The violin had no tapes on it, which I was not used to and was a size bigger than my usual size, I discovered that it fit perfectly, and I was ready to play without the tapes. I realized how therapeutic violin was, and it helped me a lot. I improved a lot there and listened to a lot of classical music. You inspired me to love and appreciate this amazing form of music, which I know is your goal. thanks so much Twoset! -Izzy
As someone who has struggled, and is still struggling, with anxiety and depression, I remember getting so anxious before concerts, and during practice sessions, in fear that I wouldn't be good enough. I remember having panic attacks before solos and completely dissociating during performances to the point that I felt completely disconnected from my own body. I have broken down into tears during practise sessions over the thought that I am not good enough. Thank you for doing this video. I think it is so important that we talk about this and to know that we are not alone. xx
Listen there u idk where u are or who u are but the fact that u opened up about it is amazing I could never :( Ur stronger than u think so be happy and be I N T E R E S T I N G be safe and remember u matter 💜
Very well said, and know that I (and I imagine so many others) get anxiety around performing too. I hope that knowing it's ok to feel like this and sharing here helps you in some way. x
Yep, I relate as well. Imagine if we could make a totally imperfect orchestra. Being us just being gorgeously imperfect, giving imperfect performances, and BE GOOD WITH THAT? That would be amazing. I was a tiny bit sharp during some solos played in our last concert in september. That concert is out on facebook. And I STILL, 6 months later, cringe in my thoughts and hate myself for it, not to be able to intonate better than that! I was too nervous and then too sharp and too obsessed about playing all the notes and rhythms correct, I couldn't hear it. But I heard it on the take, and dude...! I only heard it twice and I m sooo ashamed! Thinking that EVERYBODY is mocking me for it! The truth is that after the concert, lots of the audience (who probably didn't even catch the pitchy-ness) were sooo impressed and proud of me! Some of them even got up to me and THANKED me for the performance! 😳❤ Still....I can't enjoy it. I can't listen to it. I played everything right, every note, every rhythm, I didn't have one split, nothing during that whole concert, and that is very much heard. But still, I was sharp. Means I'm a terrible musician. What an idiot-thought! I NEVER get these thoughts hearing any others playing sliiiightly out of tune. They are just unlucky, nervous, its good. But me? I was sharp. Can't play. Have no ears appearently. 🙄 God how silly! How to get rid of those stupid thoughts???
yes because it has effect on the other and harmful to suppress and harmful to push to ignore. was my favorite takeaway from this video with other points and bringing awareness to things, it’s important to take care of all of you
Exactly, people really need to realize this! Telling someone who is suffering from clinical depression that their pain is "all in their head" is like telling someone with a broken ankle that their pain is "all in their leg." Like bruh I know it's coming from my brain, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt
So important ! Everything goes together and one has to be well for the other to be too ^^ When I was recovering from depression I knew that the times I started not exercising and not eating well were the times I had to be extremely careful not to ''fall back'' It's perfectly okay to have bad days obviously, but overall exercise and diet honestly saved me ! When I'm depressed I feel strong joint pain, and that's the case of many people I know, so it can be hard to get moving, but with help and patience you can break the vicious circle gently but surely :)
We need to be taught more about general brain health and how the brain and body are connected and need rest and doesn't work well in a monoculture lifestyle (ie: only practicing or over practicing). We're put with loads of stress in music and I try to tell people to do meditation or cardiac coherience and make sleep the #1 priority. The brain needs time to digest the day and it does that during sleep. I hope we all can share our tips and make our music lifestyle more healthy.
@Adil Tijani holy crap! Twoset is opening up about something very important and here you are spamming this link? No one likes you, and no one wants to listen to your piano, especially not when you're trying to shove it down our throats. I'm going to report you.
As an Asian American, I also wanted to add that mental health is an incredibly taboo topic among Asians - there's this mentality of, just keep your head down, don't talk about your problems, keep working. So I'd like to doubly commend these two for not only bringing up mental health for musicians but also for being brave enough to talk about this subject as two people who are Asian.
Yes what you said is true. But honestly it is still the same, majority people still think that those suffering from mental health issues are abnormal people and that mental health issues are just excuses given by lazy people, it sucks :'(
@@shela404 I am fine :) hope you are doing good, one of my friends was suffering from depression, if it wasn't stigmatized maybe it could have been diagnosed before her physical health had gotten worse
A lot of people have said this, but Brett and Eddy mean so much more to us than just TH-camrs who entertain us with music and music-themed comedy. They have saved so many people from mental health disorders, suicidal tendencies, and negative feelings in general. Hearing them be so open like this means a lot to all of us, and it gives us the courage to be open about our own problems, instead of hiding them away until they destroy us. Thank you so much TwoSet, for all the lives you saved, and all the happiness you spread to the world!!
I'm a medic and the part where Eddy and Brett are talking about how musicians take beta-blockers to get through performances hit me SO HARD because this was what happened during our medical school exams. For context, I actually have generalised anxiety disorder. But that means I know how to manage it. My colleagues however were total messes when exams came up. They let go of sleep routines, they stopped all hygiene, they ate crap (or nothing), they drank coffee constantly... and then they stopped being able to sleep or think clearly. Instead of dialling back and taking better care of themselves, they got beta-blockers. Almost my entire cohort was on beta-blockers for the exam period. It is such an unhealthy system and unhealthy approach. I wish it was more talked about, and I am so glad to see TwoSet doing that.
I was about to comment about this too! Taking beta blockers has been so normalized in our institution that even consultants are joking about it. I even wished I followed suit when I broke down WHILE taking our major practical exam, which was a very humiliating and traumatizing experience. I almost took some (asked my friend to get some for me) during our board exams but didn't anymore because I was feeling calmer than expected. But still I knew a few who did, or at least talked or joked about it. It's concerning that it's become so normalized especially since we considerably have easier access to it.
@@JustineAprilJ It just makes people push themselves to even more unhealthy extremes instead of learning how to look after themselves when the going gets rough. I'm sorry you had the experience you did; it is such an unhealthy and punishing system. :/
@@JustineAprilJ When I was studying opera it was beta blockers during auditions, I myself tried it several times because there were times my heart was beating out of my chest and I couldn’t hear myself sing.... then when I dropped out and switched to Business, my classmates were all taking Ritalin. 😭 it’s an institutional problem.
My university started to incorporate a musician’s health module last year which focused on both physical health of musicians but also mental health and how to avoid burnout , depression and anxiety . I was so grateful for that class because first year music was sooo stressful , but having that knowledge and also support helped so much . Hopefully more universities will implement similar classes in the near future !
This is so important. I really appreciate you guys opening this topic up - not only for the classical music scene and asian community, but for anyone with limited resources to learn how to take care of our mental wellbeing. So, so inspiring - keep it up!!!
Hey Guys, I’m a psychotherapist who works with many musicians in my private practice and I just gotta say, THANK YOU from the very bottom of my heart for using your platform to talk about mental health issues that affect musicians! Your influence matters. You are so beloved to your fans (myself included). Also, you really were so spot on with the tools you shared! One thing I would like to add is there is a particular modality of therapy called Dialectic Behavior Therapy (DBT) that has 4 modules (emotional regulation, distress tolerance, mindfulness, and interpersonal effectiveness) that my clients swear by when it comes to managing the types of struggles musicians (and everybody) deal with. I truly believe DBT should be required education in middle school, High school, and college so people don’t have to wait until they are in their adult lives and facing burnout to start addressing these things. Loves to you, both!
I went through the DBT process and it literally saved my life. I am very thankful to have fallen into the hands of the psychotherapist that suggested I should do it.
I did DBT for a while and am still doing it and probably one of the best decisions I ever made. I am a senior in high school planning to go to music school and I can say it was really hard to continue with my music because of my depression and anxiety. Most days I was too depressed to be bothered to practice and my anxiety was so bad I couldn’t even play in front of my teacher to get help. Some times in class I would become so upset at making mistakes and feeling like a failure that my mood would do a complete 180 and I’d just break down. I owe so much to DBT and my therapist for helping me become a successful young musician today, and for helping me find the joy in music again and giving me the courage to keep going.
i did dbt for a bit but the people doing it were so strict about attending every session even though most people doing the sessions have depression or bpd and can't exactly control being able to get out of bed and whatnot :/ i enjoyed it for the time i had it but i just wish it was more accessible esp for those who genuinely need it but struggle more with day-to-day tasks
My teacher once told me about a friend of hers. She didn't do anything else than practice and practice. She was going to travel to have concerts and stuff,while my teacher and other students went on social events and stuff. But at her concert, she passed out. You need to take rests. You can't only practice.
My teacher once told me that rest also practises and that for every hour you practise you need at least an hour of rest doing something else you really enjoy
@@Ava-cw3jf that's a really good advice I sing and honestly I just practice like 2 days a week or something because if you practice every day it hurts really bad some times I take like so many rest days because I get tired mentally and I think it's really imp to rest for sometime
Psychosomatic pain is what Eddy was talking about, it's there but it isn't there. It's also worth mentioning that my funniest friend is one of the happiest people I've met. Came as a shock to me when he was admitted to a psych-ward for a few weeks. The humor was a defense mechanism for his anxieties that caused a massive depression. Happiness and humour is not the equivalence of being without depression; if anything, it's often a marker that the person is depressed but has become very good at hiding it. Also, when a depressed person is being talked to, they get to forget their problems for a wee bit and show off a bit of their funny thoughts which looks like complete happiness to others.
That sounds so much like me but, correct me if I am wrong in doing this, whenever I feel sad and depressed I just ask myself "what is there to be depressed about?" I just tell myself that I have nothing to worry about because nothing is in my control.
@@Trooman20 - That is all good up until when your brain decides for you and it becomes an actual psychological problem; a clinical depression. That's when one gets admitted to a ward having lost control of oneself and needs therapy.
@@SnorrioK it’s not quite truly psychosomatic …Eddy experienced conversion disorder. This is when the mental pressure actually rewires the brains pain receptors. The pain is extremely real but isn’t caused but injury or disease. So yes it starts in the head but the pain is real. In Scotland a research paper was written on the brain scans of people with conversion disorder. The pain shows up in brain scans as brain waves exactly the same as if the subject is being cut or stabbed etc.
I really do hope that Brett and Eddy realise that they are so much more to us than just 2 violinists who had a successful TH-cam channel, that they've changed the perspective of the classical music industry and created such a safe space for all of us musicians and non-musicians. I couldn't be more grateful to have stumbled upon their channel.
@@blixten2928 of course it isn't to say that what they're doing is revolutionary, all I'm saying is that it's really impactful that they're using their platform to have these type of conversations that have been long overdue, especially since a large portion of their audience are youths.
@@blixten2928 TwoSet make classical music interesting for a mainstream audience. TH-cam as a platform is incredibly important these days, especially towards the youth. I For example, I have never actively searched for a classical channel and still stumbled upon TwoSet and they got me hooked. And I am just an example of thousands. Their collaboration with Dave504 and Roomie, just to name two big names, are extremely valuable as well
I feel so bad for all the musicians who are struggling during the pandemic. Here in NYC, some members of the Philharmonic can’t event continue to live here anymore because they haven’t been paid since April 2020. I can’t imagine how big a toll that takes on mental health. Sending you both my best wishes! ❤️❤️
a non musician here, but even with academic fields, i strongly relate to this. i think this actually applies to ALL fields. and i feel so safe to see my favorite people and my role models having went through these hard times and sharing their views and opinions for us. i’ve seen them as ‘nearly perfect, disciplined’ two individuals. i was undergoing my ‘depression periods’ about my academic grades, and always envied how refined they were about their profession. they seemed too far different from me. however, today they opened up their sides that they could’ve felt somewhat uncomfortable of. i learned that they also underwent those negative periods, just like me, but in the end, they overcame it. now they’re spreading classical music to 3M and more people, worldwide! what i learned from this is, i gained confidence and faith that i can also do it, just like them. though it may be hard at some point, things will be solved one day. thank you brett and eddy, now i reinforced my thoughts why you guys are my role models!
So true, this happens in a lot of careers. There is a disconnect when what you love becomes your job. It becomes a source of stress instead of relief. So you need to balance that.
I cried while watching this. I'm having such a hard time with life in general at the moment and all of the things you've spoken about are things I've told myself over and over. I'm not a musician, I'm a writer but it stands. Being alone.... The spiraling of your thoughts... its like you carved this straight out of my brain. Thank you for talking about it and even if this never gets seen at least I got it off my chest. It's hard. It's so hard. It's also safer to comment here than anywhere else, tbh Edit: why am I getting likes? No one was supposed to even see this!
Well I'm trawling down the comments - Imagine a lot more will have seen this than the 'likes' you received! I do hope things have improved for you in the intervening months, Laura. It's so sad when our passion turns against us...
A year had passed since you published this comment and people still see it. I hope you have been getting better, and I hope the Ling Ling community has constantly been there for you!!
There's a "Twoset" generation of musicians. You are setting a difference, for good. Bravo and thank you for every video you make. It would be great if you could incorporate piano more often, like inviting Sophie or talking a bit more about it? Please? Also it would be great if you had piano theme in your apparel. ❤️ Your videos help young musicians have a more possitive approach towards music discipline. You are the best.
Mental health counselor here. There’s not a single thing I disagree with in this video. I see amongst musicians that there is such pressure to be defined, so to speak, by your instrument. Thank you for bringing these issues to light. And if you’re dealing with mental health issues, there is no shame in seeking help from professionals :)
This feels like a full circle moment. I used to be in youth orchestra with you guys - even shared a teacher with Ed. I legitimately burnt out mentally before going to conservatory and had a shift in career trajectory . This is all so real. Thanks for opening up the discussion on this.
Can we just appreciate the fact that Twoset is really trying to use their influence to spread this issue and raise awarness about it like what influencers should actually do??
@boughaleb samima dude, I know you're trying to create a following by recommending videos but I just lose all respect when you're trying to advertise a video on an important video like mental health. It just comes off as disrespectful
"Instead of saying I am nervous, say I feel nervous" This is very important. Don't identify yourself by what you feel. Remember that you are stronger than your emotions. I know it is easier said than done but I believe in you! Sending love to all people going through tough times. I believe you will get through it stronger
It took me a while to watch this video. I'm not a musician but almost my entire family is. I have ADHD and dyslexia and I felt miserable because I was the only child who couldn't read music. It was so sad growing up and seeing my siblings playing instruments or singing and I was below average. My dad never gave up on me and it wasn't until a couple years ago that I actually realized I could sing. I'm a preschool teacher who sings to my kids to teach them. I'm not a professional but I practice everyday and work hard to improve my technique. Thanks a lot for your videos. Greetings from Colombia.
Being a 40year old, bedridden for several years now, due to pains, depression and that voice and thoughts inside, ( not linked to only music, but other stressing elements in my life) this video might actually change my life. When Eddy talked about those pains and depression , I cried. I mean, really sobbed, because it hit me so hard. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TALKINF ABOUT IT!! That's what we need! God, I love you guys! I wish I knew someone like you when I was in music uni, 25 years ago!
Also, please try to take things one at a time. You aren't too old and I'm sure you'll be able to put things in place once you start feeling better. I'm here if you need to talk.
Seconded. I actually had to take a break from school, and before that from the sport I loved, and I felt exactly the same as Brett described. I think depression is awful primarily because it convinces you it isn't there, that you're just complaining, and by the time you realise it's often quite far developed and then it's a sod to get rid of.
Oof as a practicing physician, when Eddy talked about the doctor who just prescribed him meds and told him that it was all in his head I cringed. I'm sorry Eddy, I understand exactly what's it like (parents heavily pushed me into being a piano at 2, and developed severe tendonitis at 15, my physician at the time just prescribed me meds, and disregarded the pain I was feeling) that type of apathetic mindset is exactly what we've been trying to change over the years, and one that made me want to go into the medical field in the first place. I hope only the best for you and Brett in the future, cheers lads🍻
You'll do for the medical world - at a minimum - just what TwoSet are trying to do for classical music. Please continue to be inspiring, you are needed.
Bravo gentlemen. As a psychiatrist myself, life long lover of classical music, amateur French horn player and member of a high quality chamber chorus, who has also treated many professional musicians in my psychiatric practice, I congratulate you on this amazing video. Yes, medication is sometimes necessary and helpful but the deeper psychological and spiritual layers are generally even more important. I’m so grateful to have discovered your channel. Your humanity emerges from all of them. Thank you so much.
One point I’d like to bring up is the fact that music is seen as this taboo career path at least here in the United States by most people. When you’re high school and you say that you want to pursue music, a lot of the time you get a ton of backlash from parents or other adults who think they know what’s best since obviously most people only think about the monetary gain from it or lack there of. This creates a lot of pressure to make something of yourself which can be good, but there’s also that looming sense of disapproval from those around you. It can weigh heavily on you and affect those relationships very much.
you can say that again! I honestly wish I was never born with such a passion for music. I’m currently in college and because of my parents not taking my musical passion seriously enough and the fact that they kind of suppressed me really made me not skilled enough to actually pursue music as a career. And i feel like I’m gonna live the rest of my life thinking about what could’ve been, if my parents had actually been supportive of this passion that I’ve had since I was a kid.
Well it's taboo because it's a terrible career choice. Kind of like gender studies. Negativity and backlash is probably the best thing you could ask for when it comes to making an awful decision.
@@austindavis2406 why are you even watching this video and why are you even interested in Twoset if you think music is a terrible career? Also when you’re feeling depressed I bet you turn to music to feel better, that shows how important music can be! Quit being such a simple minded idiot
@@Scriabin_fan Austin could have worded it better, but I think that what they meant was that it's more difficult to earn a living while being a musician than with a traditional 9-5 job. It doesn't mean it's something you shouldn't pursue, just that people will probably advise you not to because of financial reasons.
@@austindavis2406 I understand your response Austin and I’m one of the lucky ones who made it out on the other side and can do music as a full time gig. You certainly do have to be in the top of your class
I know a lot of people (like myself) come back to this video whenever they are feeling burnt out, depressed, exhausted or overwhelmed. Thank you Twoset, what you’re doing is impacting people on so many levels.
I live by that statement every single day. It really helps. Many times it teaches me that I don't have to strive for perfection in one single day, and helps me balance things out.
This is true! I was just thinking about this the other day, and when Brett and Eddy said that most people would quit because they wanted immediate results, it made me think about how people set themselves New Years resolutions but never go through because they’re not thinking about the LONG RUN. So if you want to be a great musician, you can’t burn yourself out, that “success” we get from burnout can only last for so long. It really depend on how we define success too. I was thinking about this the other day, on how people have different views of success; some people think burnout is success, others love the slow progress and the enjoyment of what they do, others think blowing up as fast as possible is success. Although they ARE reaching a certain goal, it really depends if they are happy an healthy after and during all of it. We gotta be careful we don’t do things that will harm us or other people JUST for recognition from strangers. We have to find in balance in these things
I’m an army musician and just got certified as a resilience trainer, and the techniques I use to help soldiers deal with the stress, depression, and anxiety of combat/ deployment are the same techniques I use to help my bandmates deal with the stress, depression, and anxiety of life as a musical performer, which shows how serious musician mental health really is. It’s actually something I hope to develop into a talk I can give at university music departments and conservatories someday. This video inspired me to continue my efforts. All the techniques you mentioned at the end fall in line with the training I received and seem like excellent advice to me!
@@tyrone8059 Absolutely! There are soooooo many, so I’ll just focus on one of the three topics 2set mentioned-anxiety-and just give you 3 techniques. And as a disclaimer, I’m not a psychologist (although I do work closely with them when I teach these techniques to Soldiers), so please take everything I say with a grain of salt. Deliberate Breathing: Use this when your sympathetic nervous (fight or flight, performance anxiety) system and energy is highly activated. Breath low and full in and out for even counts (ex. 5 in, 5 out) while visualizing a vivid image that causes you to feel gratitude, like petting your dog or cuddling with your partner or watching a beautiful sunset. The breathing stimulates the vagus nerve that triggers your parasympathetic nervous system (rest & digest, healing), and the imagery helps take control of your thoughts and generate more productive emotions and physical reactions. Real-time resilience: This is the skill of dealing with that negative voice in your head that 2set talked about. I recommend practicing this before the actual performance or event. Generate all the counterproductive thoughts you could possibly have in the moment (e.g. “I’m going to get nervous,” “I’m not good enough,” “I’m going to fail,” “Everyone is going to cringe at me,”) and then either read them to yourself or, even better, have a partner read them or even generate new counterproductive thoughts for you to react to. As you go through them, practice countering them out loud in real time with productive statements. (e.g. “That’s not entirely true because I’ve put in more than enough preparation and trust the work I and my teacher have put in,” or “The most likely implication is that any mistake I make will be minor, and it won’t detract from the audience’s enjoyment of my performance.”) The faster you can generate these responses, the better. With enough practice, you’ll be able to do this quickly and internally during the performance without even realizing you’re doing it. Interpreting Physical Reactions: This is important for breaking out of that feedback loop of feeling nervous, then thinking you’re feeling that way because you’re unprepared, so you get even more nervous, etc, etc. Thoughts drive your emotions and reactions, so that’s the intervention point. Instead of thinking, “I’m feeling this way because I’m unprepared,” you can think, for example, “My heart is pounding because I’m excited to perform this music that I love and because I want to do well. I care about this performance, and that is giving me the energy I need to perform it well.” This helps us grab control of our emotions and reactions and, therefore, our energy activation. I hope this helps. I really did try to be brief, but there’s a lot to this subject, and I’m really passionate about teaching it. Please feel free to ask questions and I’ll do my best to answer!
@@betando honestly that was such a good brief of everything! I'm personally not a musician or performer but will definitely start implementing this in day to day life since it's definitely general enough to apply - I've got no questions since it was such a detailed response but thanks for taking time out of your day to write all that :)
@@tyrone8059 I’m so glad! It’s my pleasure-I totally agree that these techniques can be applied to so much more than just music, and I’m so glad to hear you find them useful! It’s really rewarding to be able to pass on this info to someone who can use it, so thank you :)
The depression section hit really hard. I'm not clinically depressive and I don't know if you could call it a depressive period, but there was this one person who I used to be friends with. He knew I played the violin but never actually heard me, and kept saying how I must've been this prodigy and etc even though I kept saying I wasn't. And when he did actually hear me play, he did go 'wow I thought you were at a prodigy level', which I'm honestly fine with. I am so incredibly far from that lmao, it's just the truth. But then that led to 'jokes' that were like 'haha played for 10 years but still can't get intonation right', '*plays audio* this is how it's actually supposed to sound like', etc. At first I was fine with it since I can take jokes like that and also regularly self deprecate. Basically I was used to it. But then the frequency of the jokes grew way past being funny. It also really didn't help that this guy, who's a pianist, wasn't at a prodigy level but was seriously good at playing the piano, especially compared to me on my violin. When Eddy mentioned his friend who couldn't even touch her violin without crying, that one hit really, really hard. Because in this one period of time where I was doing my best to practice frequently, those 'jokes' would constantly be running through my head on how I was pretty much a failure, on top of my preexisting regret of not practicing harder all those years before. And then that would lead to tears - I practiced through tears so many times and that even happened three times in front of my tutor, which was embarrassing. (My tutor doesn't know about this.) But yet, no matter how much I practice, I still sound like crap. (So the study on situations like this making your musical abilities worse was kinda a relief to hear, as if it's not just that I'm that hopeless? Haha) This eventually lead to me making more self deprecating jokes, except there were less of the 'haha funny' kind and more of the 'cry for help' kind. I would tell those to said person along with briefly touching on how I felt like crap, basically. But every time I did, he'd just brush it off and say 'enough, I'm tired of hearing this' every time. (Which isn't very much since I don't confide a lot to begin with, but hey, now the internet's reading this!) The last time we talked was when I directly confronted him saying that 'your jokes make me feel like crap, please stop making that.' The only response I got was 'well I have feelings too', which doesn't even make any bloody sense. Since when was being nothing but honest for the other person's benefit equal to degrading someone's self esteem daily? That, along with a crap ton of other trash, finally made me realise how bloody toxic he is. I've cut him off, but the effects still follow me to this day, whether music related or not. I've barely touched my violin now and I'm pretty sure I'm avoiding it by playing the piano a lot more frequently now. Even talking or even writing about this specifically makes me tear up from all the humiliation. But I really hope that I'll gather my wits about and just get back to the violin, because I miss playing it and there are so many things I want to learn on it. Thank you so much TwoSet Violin for making bringing this topic to light. You guys really are the pioneers of classical music in today's age. (And sorry for the long comment essay lmao, just had to get it off my chest. And hopefully this could help others too?)
Such a sad story and you've already made a good step in removing yourself from this toxic person- I hope you will one day realise that this person's strategy of trying to feel good by putting someone down is actually on them and nothing about you. I hope you will one day learn to love yourself again and rediscover the joy you had in your playing before this happened.
Jokes that make you feel bad about yourself are not jokes. They are abuse. It will always hurt your self esteem. I am glad you stood up to it. In general you better keep away from such persons. You should start telling yourself other stores about yourself and I think you can help yourself by searching professional help for that. I hope then you will have a more realistic view of yourself. YOU ARE WORTH IT, whether you believe me or not!
i’m really sorry that this person treated you that way. i wish you well for the future and i hope you find your passion for the violin again. just take it slowly, step by step and i’m sure one day you’ll find yourself playing again! thank you so much for sharing as well, it must be difficult but sharing your own experience is a really brave thing to do
Wow, what a shitty friend! While it may be true that you could still find yourself improving with your music, that's no way to talk to anyone! Time and practice along with your health will definitely bring you to where you want to be - no one else's opinion honestly matters, and I'm glad you did great to distance yourself from this person.
Glad you at least cut him off. That's the first step! I believe with time you'll be at peace and finally ready to play your violin again. If I may humbly offer my opinion, I think after years of self-deprecation and receiving negative "jokes", you may subconsciously think that there's no point in playing if you're not good enough, hence why you keep being reminded of his words and avoided playing it? If so, I hope slowly you can experience joy playing the violin again and overwrite those thoughts. By the way, I play classical piano, and some point I totally dropped it having the thoughts I mentioned before. I started playing again years after that, after knowing Animenz and seeing how anime piano songs are fun to play. I'm practicing for fun now, both anime songs and classical, and very thankful for that.
Dear TwoSetViolin: My name is Kyle Craft - Violinist and I wanted to express my thanks to both of you for taking the time to talk about this important topic. I agree with you both 100% that this a topic that needs to be discussed more in the Music Industry. I’m a Professional Musician myself and have had similar experiences to both of you guys that I would like to share. Hopefully this will be an inspiration to some of you reading this. I’ve been playing violin since I was 4 years old. When I was in high school I auditioned for the Precollege at the San Francisco Conservatory of Music and after a successful audition, was accepted and studied there for 2 years. Unfortunately in my senior year of high school, I had a similar experience to what a burnout was. I was practicing literally 6 hours a day and that took its toll on me. My passion for music was still there, however it wasn’t as big as it was and it was pretty scary to me as this was what I have been doing my whole life. Luckily I developed a passion German and started to intensively learn German, which I did fluently. Music was still a big part of me but it wasn’t the main thing I did. I did a lot of traveling and studying German. One day my passion did come back as I started to produce my own concerts. However along the way, I got a horrible Carpel Tunnel Syndrom injury from overpractice. It was so bad that I had to put the violin away for more than half a year. I went to several doctors and they all told me to stop playing. Surgeons were like we can operate on it tomorrow and my physical therapist said that you are playing a lot so pretty much said the same thing as my doctor. I wasn’t buying it. My Choir Director recommended me to Chiropractic Care with a Chiropractor who studied in Switzerland and has treated string players with these kinds of problems. I decided to go for it and within 4 sessions, I was able to play again. I did a 4 month session with him and if it weren’t for him, I would not be able to play today. Chiropractic therapy saved my career and I regularly go to him whenever I feel something is not right with my wrists. I have daily stretches I do before I warm-up/play to keep my tendons in shape. When I had my tendonitis case, my physical and emotional health was not the best so I was forced to start excersizing which I hated at the time. I was introduce to Bikram Yoga and that changed my life. After a few months of doing it, I started to feel physically and emotionally so much better about myself. My eating habits were not the best so when the Bikram Yoga started to do its work, my body started to detox. I used to love Parmensan Cheese and Pasta and I had that for dinner one night. The next day I had an all day gig and a few hours after eating that dinner, I got so sick from it. So I was forced to change my diet. I started this Yoga routine in 2019 and when the worldwide shutdown came, I promised myself that I was going to continue to excersize and get healthy so I started running. Throughout all of this, I started to love excersizing and it has become a vital part of my routine: Bikram Yoga, Running, Workout, Healthy Eating and I make sure I get at least a full 8 hour sleep every night. Before the Pandemic hit, my music career was taking off which was great and I was doing so much performing. However when the pandemic hit, I felt run down from all the practicing, rehearsing and performing. So I knew that performing wasn’t just what I wanted to do. I wanted to do the whole nine yards (Performing, Teaching, Music Directing etc) and that is what I do now. In addition to that, I also started a seperate German Business which is also a big passion of mine and I love it. Now, I have a full balanced life: My 2 careers, healthy eating and excersize routine which I love :)
Hey Brett and Eddy, I’m not a musician and this is low key irrelevant to the video but... You guys have done so much for me and my mental health. I was in a really shitty place when I first discovered you guys, trying to figure my life out, recovering from depression, progressing and regressing every few days. I tried very hard in therapy to get better, and progress was slow. But then I started watching twoset. I had videos to look forward to, funny content to laugh at and the whole Lingling40hrs subreddit to keep me going. Eventually, I also picked up an instrument (erhu) which I never thought I would bc I hated music as a kid after being forced to learn piano. It’s the best decision I’ve made in recent times since my life went downhill. My life isn’t all that much better yet, but my view on life has. Thank you for being brave and sharing your stories with the world. And thank you for giving me hope.
Ikrr!! I can relate to you so much. Except for the fact that I can't gather the courage to talk to my parents about learning an instrument. You surely are really strong. Good luck💖😇
Didn't click the notification so fast just to see that heartbreaking title Thank you twoset for bringing up such an important issue, especially during this pandemic where everyone is struggling in one way or another. Stay strong everyone
@@Ponta-Kun_Official this is very rude. not everybody is instantly ready to deal with a heavy topic. this video is emotionally intense and people might need to prepare themselves for it, myself included. please refrain from insulting people this way again in the future
Not a musician, but I needed to hear this. These are issues that are pervasive in every industry, and I'm so glad that you two have dedicated these relatable episodes for us. Thank you for helping normalize these conversations.
I‘m not a musician either but can totally relate. I’m learning to play the piano and as soon as I even try to record I mess up, even if I can play the piece... Or the scales...😂 Let alone have somebody listen to it. They help me to carry on learning and practicing with less pressure. Just enjoy playing and getting better in my own time. (Age 59yrs.)
@@skye1760 I just started learning violin and I'm an adult beginner too! Doing a proper bow hold (balancing and controlling) has been so frustrating, and when my lesson begins I get anxious and mess up despite practicing everyday haha all part of the process I suppose
Not a musician - but all of us who have to "perform" feel this, not the neurological stuff but the extreme stress of not being able to perform or perform well. Every profession (I teach and research uni) has the stress, anxiety, "that was a crap performance" and "I won't be able to do it". Have some sort of long-term Covid illness and I'm sweating, can't sleep, panic attacks: I won't be able to do it, I won't be able to do it... So. Big hug, many encouraging words to all who have to perform. We will be OK (I hope).
eddy is so brave for opening up about what he experienced. it's so important to talk about these kinds of things especially mental illnesses that aren't that common.
As a nurse I need to THANK you guys for bringing this topic up to your community. Mental health is not a joke, and it is not something to be ashamed of. Take care of yourselves first, YOU are the most important ones in your life.
Nurse case manager here. My calls are getting heavy on the mental health help now that everyone lost their jobs and are spiraling. Not enough BH providers and you can't snap your fingers and create psychiatrists out of thin air. There's a lot of training in that profession. The wait time for a therapist is anywhere from 6 weeks to 3 months.
It’s definitely not easy. For me, at the beginning as a little kid everything was exciting. And with education it was less and less exciting and something to look forward doing. I kept playing because I knew I still wanted and couldn’t stop. But at this time classical music rep and music school were overwhelming. There was absolutely no joy in that or creating music. If it wasn’t perfect it wasn’t worth it. Anyway ended up music education with graduating from high school. And then participated in orchestral workshops for few years. But the performance anxiety was always there& after performance I was always sure that it all went wrong (even that it didn’t) I hated performance .And here I want to thank you - Brett and Eddy, because for the first time in forever (since December). I actually can listen to classical music again, and want to! You guys made me love it again and enjoy it like never before. Not only listening but talking about it, watching performances, observing technique, watching all TwoSet videos ✨✨ no one tells these things as a little kid at school that’s true..and I returned to playing violin, never before it was such joy as it is now to look forward to practice! I’m very grateful for you, and your channel. Brett and Eddy thank you so much ✨
Sending love and hugs from Texas. Just remember to always play for yourself. Even when you are performing, don't think about the people, is just you and your violin, and play for yourself.
I used to play violin but after suffering major depression and borderline personality disorder I lost touch with music and stopped playing for 6years....I’m on the road to recovery and have recently picked up my violin and started playing again
Dude this happened to me as well, after some major accident I was diagnosed of MDD and some other things too, and I stopped playing piano for five years. I just couldn’t touch it. I’d started crying if I hear it. I love piano so dearly but couldn’t go near it. It took me 5 years to slowly recover and recently I’m finally getting back on track again.
Those are serious diagnoses. I suffered from type 1 bipolar disorder, my life turned to ash. Thank God I’ve been stable on medication for over 10 years 🙏❤️ I used to play piano but it was forced on me. Maybe I’ll pick it up again one day. Praying you’re well and at peace!
It's happening to me tooo. Maybe it's because I'm quite a perfectionistic and anxious person. I had played piano for 5-6 years, and I have stopped it for 4 years. Recently I am trying to go through my ED. I am recovering from my ED, and I'm starting to want to go back to play piano. Back in the days, I played piano while I was crying. In that moment, I feel like I should practice, but I made some mistakes. Then I blamed myself, and thinking I am not good enough. Eventually, I stopped playing piano. It's kinda sad.
i realized they’re gradually opening up to us(e.g. their childhood playing videos) and i feel closer to them. this video too, thank you for sharing your views, brett & eddy! this video must not have been an ‘easy’ video to film, but im genuinely touched you decided to share these sides of you guys. ❤️
also, if you do not have any qualities mentioned above, you are good in some way. For example, youre looking at a two set video, or maybe you respect other people
Although nobody is going to care of even read this but I just wanted to talk about my experience with mental health: So I’m only 18 and have never been diagnosed with anything or even reached out to get help. I‘ve been playing violin for 13 years now and I started to realize that my performance anxiety is getting worse with getting older. I think it has something to do with caring a lot more when you’re older and just overthinking stuff instead of just enjoying the moment like I used to as a kid. The anxiety has gotten to the point that I get shaky bow as soon as my teacher says “just play this piece. I wanna see if you can get through everything” or something like that. I get nervous as soon as my playing counts as a performance and that really bothers me. I can’t even play in front of my family or even in an orchestra without getting anxious. I don’t really know how to fix it but I’ve lived with it and I’m trying to accept it. My thing with depression is a long story. I’ve always kinda struggled with depression but never told anyone other than joking about it with friends. Now I have gone deep into it like suicidal thoughts and cutting myself. But I got out of that and maybe playing violin even helped... i don’t really know how I got out of that situation to be honest. But depression can’t be cured... at least not that easily. I still struggle every day with finding joy in life. Obviously I have good day where I’m genuinely happy and enjoy life, but most days I don’t wanna get out of bed or do anything. I start overthinking about things I don’t have to worry about like the meaning of life, what happens when I die, what if I am one of those people that die young... I am a very pessimistic person and I’ve learned to live with that but what can I say... I’m only 18 and i have my whole life in front of me. Now I recently took some precautions to prevent that I fall into a deep whole of depression again. I’ve tried working out or beginning a diet multiple times and never had the motivation to. Finish so I always quit after a few days. I started working out 9 days ago and I really do hope that I keep doing it. I think working out can boost up your mentality so much and even though I still hate working out, I always feel better afterwards, because I achieved something that day and I have something I can be proud of. I think the spiral of depression or even self loathing starts with being unhappy with your appearance, then getting sad, getting depressed, eating worse, not moving a lot, no motivation to do anything, getting fatter, and the spiral just keeps going down and every day you’re more unhappy with yourself. Now I have lived like this for all my teenage years, I’ve gotten bullied because of it and I am finally at a point in life where I decided that I don’t wanna life like this. Life is to short to sleep half of the day and just watch Netflix the other half of the day. I’m 18 and should have the time of my life; instead I’m wasting it. That’s why I wanna change. Okay if anyone read this... thanks for caring, because nobody in my life cares. Writing this down really felt refreshing and I wanna motivate anyone who struggles with mental illnesses to do this. It really helps to get these problems out of your head. I also wanna say thanks you to Brett and Eddy for making this video. I appreciate hearing that I’m not the only one with these problems. It really helped... thank you
Please remember you were not born depressed. You somehow absorbed it. It may be a family pattern that needs to go. I too have been there. I was finished with life at 23 and wanted it to be over. But then I left my parents house and was exposed to more people NOT of like mind. It matters who your circle is. You need to learn / absorb new skills of being from other people. Its how humanity grows and expands by sharing with each other. I don't look at my parents as being wrong. I look at them as people who did not meet the right teacher. I look at them as "unskilled" (as I've heard a Buddhist say). Not their fault. They had a lifetime of programming themselves from their parents etc. I think as we open up and share this will shift people to a happier place. Sending much love and hope for your future. PS ...sometimes you need to cocoon. Be kind to yourself as if you are your own best friend. And maybe the days you don't want to work out you could do. Qi gong. It's gentle. There is one I like by a woman named Mimi on youtube. I like starting my day gentle with myself. 💕
Depression is a medical situation, and having depression isn’t your fault. It requires great courage to even type here about your experience and you did it, so you may as well take one more step to seek professional help, maybe from a social worker first! It took me several years to gear up to approach a social worker, and I’m glad that I did seek help - not only to deal with my emotions, but to also learn more about myself and to know that people care about me. No one laughed at me, instead I got a lot of support when some of my really really close friends who know that I talked to social workers. I also understood the importance to communicate with myself, which is something that I barely did before. You’re not weak to seek help, you seek help because you are a courageous human and you need help! Anyway, you are amazing and you are precious! It’s okay to be fragile, love your fragile self :)
Thank you Eddy so much for sharing this. I’m a pediatric neurologist and there are so many misconceptions about conversion disorders or functional neurologic symptom disorder. De-stigmatizing mental health issues is so important.
For everyone else, FND (or conversion disorders) should only be diagnosed by a trained neurologist to ensure that organic pathologies are not the cause of someone’s symptoms.
Ling Ling only practised 39 hours, 36 minutes and 26 seconds today. He took the time to rest and watch this video for the other 23 minutes 34 seconds. If Ling Ling can take a rest, so can you.
Its so incredibly apt that the background music for this video is rachmaninoffs piano concerto 2 - rach himself was suffering from serious clinical depression after criticism for his 1st symphony. He underwent a lengthy period of therapy and returned w the 2nd piano concerto, which was a huge success, marking the end of his depression. The concerto was dedicated to the physician who helped him overcome his depression.
As a Psychology teacher, your personal experiences shared with us may lead to more people opening up about their anxiety. I have students who go through performance anxiety too (tests and exams) and similar thoughts are racing through their heads. It does become a cycle which they feel they are helpless to break out of. Thank you for sharing!
It was very hard for me to tell my friends that I had mental illnesses and that I was seeing a therapist, but they accepted me for having mental illnesses and have been supporting me and that just relieved all my anxiety and they just gave me a big hug saying that we’re gonna be here every step of the way.
Eddy should definitely look into guest speaking at different music universities to talk about mental health. He's so good at expressing his thoughts in a relatable way.
The fact that i could relate to Eddy and the wheelchair, I'm a ballet dancer and there was one time that my body literally froze, i couldn't move properly for two months because i pushed trough the pain
I feel like dancers, esp ballet dancers, and musicians share so many experiences- I definitely relate to trying to initially push through pain and ending up way worse off and getting a lot more injuries as a result.
@@mayaosaka4076 yeah and also sports like gymnastics etc, and probs stuff like art and drama as well, altho less of the physical pain with the last two
As a fellow creative, Brisbane dweller and sufferer of chronic mental illness - THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO! Extra props must go to you for speaking up about this as men, given the stigma that unfortunately still exists where “men should be tough”. To that I say, “thank you for your vulnerability, consideration and desire to potentially help others.” Now THAT is strength!
A teacher of mine used to say: “It’s okay to feel what you’re feeling, otherwise you would be feeling something else.” I think that’s one important thing to always remember, and a wonderful thing to share when someone opens up to you about their struggles. It has been six years since I first heard that saying and ever since then it’s a gentle reminder in the back of my mind, which makes it easier to deal with all the (psychological) struggles.
Breddy Bang is made by a fan, not Brett. BrettyBang is a podcast, he hasn’t done it for years.it was interviews of well-known musicians performing withSydneySymphny.
I could listen for hours straight you guys talking about anything, there is no such thing as "long video" when it face important problems like mental health. This needs to be spoken everywhere of, you're amazing for getting it out💖💪🏻. From my metalhead heart i thank you boys✌🏻 Edit. Thank you all for all the 👍🏻, share this with everyone you know
I'm not even a musician, but if my roommate aren't sleeping, I'd cry out so hard😭. Though not in the music field, I understand the pressure to be perfect, and the stress and anxious come along. Thank brett and eddy let me know it's okay to be nervous. In the moment they comforted, I just broke into tears.😢
Honestly, the term depression is misused so many times that I feel people who are really suffering can't get other people to take them seriously and their voice gets suppressed in a way. Thank you TwoSet for reminding us to open up and share our problems and seek help whenever needed.
Kinda. But also not really. While people are certainly getting desensitised to the term depression, due to jokes and it being thrown around, that's not the whole story. There's also still a huge stigma/taboo on mental disorders (comments like "you're not depressed, just man up"), so some people that are probably actually depressed don't get help because people want to avoid it altogether. On top of that, I feel like that a lot of people misunderstand the meaning of depression, and especially the difference between depressive episodes and Major Depression Disorder, which certainly doesn't help
@@thingiezz depression is probably the most misunderstood mental problem out there. So many people will think that a person is not depresses because that person just laughed at a joke and little things like this. What many people fail to understand is that depression is when you're overall mood is down for a long ass time, you can still laugh and smile sometimes, but after that you're right back to feeling worthless. When talking to people with depression, I heard many times that they were wondering even if they deserve to laugh when laughing or deserve something nice done to them when someone does something nice to them. It also does not help that people who pretend to understand depression write on social media how to help someone go through depression, even though it is different for everyone. Like I saw this many times when people write, don't ask them if they have suicidal thoughts. And to that, why not? If they open up to you that they have suicidal thoughts, that is the first step of helping someone go through depression. I don't have problem with people not understanding depression but people who pretend they do and write stupid things that other people share and like just gets me on my nerves
i totally agree, there is SO much mental illness in my family so i tell people off for claiming they're depressed when they are clearly seeking attention and they say "how would you know?" hmmm maybe having a bipolar parent and a parent with depression gave me some clue as to what it means to be depressed.
As a classical musician with depression, anxiety, OCD and PTSD, this video is extremely important. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY talks about this in regards to classical music. I am so glad to see someone with a reach as big as Twoset’s making a video about this. I think a lot of people think that classical musicians are immune to mental illness, and that is not only untrue but extremely harmful to the community. Thanks two set.
thats how and why i feel the current education has really failed recent generations. while technology is blasting in evolution, we've still had the same education system for longer than anyone can remember. it's despicable
I was close to tears when I saw how much Eddy struggles with his emotions when he talks about this bad phase. I feel taken back to my youth when I studied violin and it got worse with stage fright from performance to performance. I played competitions and the pressure was unbearable. Among fellow students, these fears were not an issue and that made it worse. I could play the most beautiful notes at home, and on stage I was overcome by this horrible feeling that I might get nervous and not deliver what I was capable of. The sad end: I gave up my studies and didn't play, let alone practice, for decades. Five years ago, the violin and my passion for music somehow called me back and I had to start all over again, so to speak. Today I love to practice and work on my technique and tone, intonation.Since I didn't become a professional, I have less stress these days and tell myself I want to share my joy with the people at a concert. Most of the time it works!:) Thank you for your wonderful videos! Silvi
The video hasn’t started, but I’m already crying. Twoset is honestly one of the biggest parts of my life and I don’t think I would be here without them. I’m so glad they spoke about mental health because mine has just been deteriorating recently 🥺🥺💖💖✨
Sorry you’re feeling low. Reach out to someone and try to talk about how you’re feeling. Mental health is best dealt with quickly before it becomes harder to see how you can cope with your feelings. There’s no shame in those feelings. Good luck :)
take care of yourself. Make a list of things that you can do that lift your mood. Reach out to one person today, and share your struggles, if you can. Write out your thoughts in a journal. Take a walk outside to get some light and Vitamin D. Watch TwoSet videos!
im clinically severely depressed, and when brett and eddy talked about talking- that hit. a big problem with me is i dont know how to let my support system be my support system. so if you're so stressed every day or you just wake up and have no goals, no will, and just feel empty: you are not alone. reaching out is so hard, and it is so okay to take reaching out one day at a time. it's not your fault that the classical music industry doesn't equip you with the tools you need, it is okay if you came unassembled: you are not broken. it takes energy to exist, it's exhausting to be alive, and you are already succeeding. you can ride that success, and the more you succeed, the less energy it will take to exist. you are already succeeding.
I'm not a musician but I'm a classical dancer and I've been training since the past 12 years. I could totally relate to all the things you guys pointed out... I was clinically diagnosed with depression when I was 13 due to family issues because of which I lost all motivation to dance and I left dance for 3 years because I was so emotionally unstable. I barely had anyone to listen to me. I felt empty without dance in my life. When I rejoined I noticed 80% of my dancer friends had left dance class... Our schools and our performing arts classes always emphasize on being "that perfect student" or "the execution must be perfect" but we are never told what hurdles lie in the pursuit of perfection and how to deal with them... Thanks guys for sharing your thoughts and experiences. We REALLY need to talk more about mental health as humans and performers.
Thank you!! Dancers mental health isn’t nearly spoken enough about either. The constant almost “race” to perfection is so tiring and straining yet people don’t focus on it because they themselves are too focused on their own “journey to perfection”
@@pearl3600 absolutely! I think with practice and experience, anyone can try to pursue perfection in their artforms. But to sacrifice your mental health for it is not worth it. Like I can't practice if I'm feeling like sh-eeeet music. In today's day and age, everyone's running a rat race be it students or adults and pressure from school/work hinders in our motivation to even practice sometimes...
I was a university burnout too... after my final recital I couldn’t touch my violin. I tried playing in the community orchestra just so I didn’t completely lose my chops but I was miserable even doing that and eventually just completely put it down. I play every once in a while and my heart breaks thinking about how good I was and how I will probably never get that back. I hope I can find a way to love the violin again because I sure do miss it sometimes. It used to be my safe place and my main way of expressing myself. I feel like I have lost a huge part of my identity. Thank you for talking about this. I also wish I had a mental health professional to help me through my college days because they were brutal and before college I was so full of passion for music. College crushed it out of me...
Same- I went to music school as an older student but they just piled on so much, I got so burned out I just stopped touching music. I’m trying to engage with it now it a sustainable way. Wish music schools were formatted differently so it could be more sustainable.
Ngl, this is a very important topic to discuss. As a person who is studying music currently I face stress and anxiety a lot. And my self esteem easily goes down after seeing someone else play. So it's really important to take care of your guys' mental health. Take care of yourself remember that always! Take a break if you need, it's OKAY!
So truee just wanna say even if someone else is better at something than you they can't do what you do so don't feel small! I also get anxious when I see someone else singing better than me but I always remind myself that they don't have the same voice as me so they can't do what I do even if they're better I can improve myself❤️
@@shreyachekkala3434 yeahh I'm working on it! Everytime the voices in my head is saying "oh you're not good enough, you should've started younger" I'll always say to myself you're good enough, don't worry you'll get it someday just focus, and it instantly goes away! I'm sure we all can get through it one day, just gotta believe in ourselves right?
@@IDontKnow-ps2qi yesss and I don't think it matters if you start when you were younger or something because at the end your passion and hardwork is all that gets you forward right
Thank you all so much for the kind comments and for sharing all your stories. Also, we wanted to make a small correction. It's easy to become psychologically reliant on beta blockers, but they're not physically addictive. Thanks a lot to those who pointed this out in the comments!
We love you twoset. Like someone said, we aren't pushing you to make videos, and you can stop when you want!
I was thinking a lot about what music means to me today. After 2 hours of crying I remembered why I wanted to do music in the first place. It's like I regained an important part of me. Thank you.
Thanks to you for talking so openly about this matter.
As a suggestion, wouldn't it be nice to have a Women's Day video? Yo could show us or recomend to us some female musicians or composers that you like. Obviously we all love Hilary Hans but there must be other women not so well know (speacially to people like me, that did not receive an arts-related education). Just think about it
In fact, if one day it is the case that you both want or need a break, or whatever is best for you, for your health, or happiness, you can be sure that your community of followers will support you, because we love you! 🙏❤️ And everything you've done has changed a lot of people's views about classical music. ✨🎻 I can say that for myself, that I started playing the violin again after 13 years .. 🙏🎻 So, you both are amazing, but also human. Count on us and our support IF one day this is the case. 🙏 We love you, twoset! 🙏🎻🎻✨❤️
@@rinaakishami5358 I would recommend their 2 videos on Classical Music Performances Everyone Should Watch. They mention many female musicians.
My mom was a professional performing violist and teacher. She quit before she had me, and told me years later "If someone quit being a classical musician, it was never because of the music."
I really agree with this. (Idk if I’ve stopped yet but...) I felt like I no longer liked playing violin cause it made me so stressed whenever I played but I love classical music so so much
It hits hard... cause it's so true
Sending love
After a great 12 year career I also left, but not because of the music
@Hamza Mzali ok, this is epic, you yourself are promoting thy own self.
@@DaviSilva-oc7iv do you watch quackity..?
Did you guys notice that Brett and Eddy did not wear their merch. Instead just a solid black and greyish-white t-shirt. That’s when you know they ain’t messing.
that's when you know they're serious
yea... ;-;
Yeah, noticed that. It's just them and mental health today, nothing should distract
I know...
same i noticed that too
“The voice inside your head is just an annoying roommate. Just let them talk and they’ll calm down”.
It really helps
thank you for this comment... I needed to hear that
It also helps me to give that voice a name. Mine is named Chelsea so every time she acts up I can be like " Shut up Chelsea! No one cares about your opinions!" Sorry to anyone named Chelsea
Yeah that's easy enough to say ion practice it's extremely harder than you think and the "they'll calm down thing" is a common thing people who are schizoids(and out of date and "non PC" term for someone with schizophrenia) try to do and fail. I've worked in mental hospitals before as a pharmacist i've seen the effects of mild to severe schizophrenia before(hint not pretty.) We all have inner voices but if it's getting to the point you're describing it as an annoying inner roommate that's a sign it's possibly interfering with some aspects of life. I'm just as someone who has cut themselves out of depression/anxiety due to my inner voice ignoring it can be detrimental to your wellbeing. hearing voices is a common symptom for a wide range of mental illness strangely enough not just schizophrenia and bipolar. All i can offer as "medical advice" legally(disclaimer i have a PhD in pharmacology but i am not a licensed doctor just i did the extra work to get a doctorate none of what i said should be taken as medical advice just a suggestion) is that if your inner voice gets to a point where its too hard to ignore or starts causing problems in your day to day life it would be a good idea to see a psychiatrist and get checked out because it could be the sign of something and suppressing it wont make it any better.
@@michealpersicko9531 thanks for sharing that info!
Quickly, I think we need to make a distinction between "negative self talk" and "voices in your head". The roommate analogy might help for the former, but as you said, is dangerous for the latter.
thanks
I'm a physical therapist in the US, and if anyone is interested, what Eddy experienced is called conversion disorder. It is a very real psychological phenomenon where the body manifests physical disability originating from stress, anxiety, and depression. This is sadly an often overlooked diagnosis and many are written off as being fakers, adding to the stigma that is mental illness. And for anyone still on the fence about this, think of a food that gave you food poisoning or the alcohol you got ridiculously hung over on. Do you feel nauseous? Yes? You just experienced a physical response based on a memory in your head. Conversion disorder is like that, but at a much deeper level mentally and more severe in it's physical presentation.
I'm curious if Conversion Disorder and Fibromyalgia are actually the same thing. I have Fibro. And the pain and other symptoms went away when my stress decreased and depression improved. It's interesting that the treatment for fibro, along with cbt (which I didn't find helpful) is antidepressants!
Thank you so much for this information it happened to me a few years back but no one had any idea of what was really going on, I also went to a physiologist and she said everything was fine, because I never really been depressed but I have always been and accident prone child and I often got sick so seeing my parents stressed over me and the medical bills really took a toll on me mentally without me knowing about it... A lot people said I was just faking it to have more attention to myself, it's good to know about this things thanks for giving me more insight of what happened to me when no one else could.
Having read up further, conversion disorder does not manifest as pain, but other symptoms such as blindness and paralysis. In this case Eddie's inability to walk wasn't paralysis but pain. So what Eddie had is unlikely to be C.D. (though as I'm not a specialist I wouldn't say it absolutely isn't). It does sound more like fibro - which can and does stop people walking due to pain.
@@hellfirepictures It's still under debate if FMS is a part of CD or even if it is a somatoform disorder altogether. There's evidence that indicates overlap between the two, but not on most cases, so the general tendency has been to dissociate the two as 2 separate things. But yeah you are right to notice similarities, however its not clear if they are even due to the same mental/physiological processes, or just happen to have similar symptoms/circumstances. Tough topic! lots of research still going around
@@hellfirepictures hi j a question: doesn’t antidepressants like make fibro worse? My friend has fibro and they said that it doesn’t rly matter what u do bc fibro makes u depressed which worsens the condition further, but antidepressants also worsen the condition somehow?
Given the range that TwoSet have in their audience worldwide, this might be one of their most important videos for young and ambitious musicians.
I don't see this awareness and support come in universities very soon. I rather have the impression, overambitious university teachers play a huge role in raising the pressure on their students.
Many professors just want the best for their students! Unfortunately, they also are under a lot of pressure from everywhere (parents, students, University administration, etc.) for the University to be always the best, or become better.
Many professors also go through Burn Out, Depression, and Mental Health issues because of all the pression.
They were also "raised" with the idea they are to be perfect for the job, otherwise they are not "worth" the job they are doing.
We basically live in an over competitive world that is pushing us all over the edge. People should fight back against that instead of letting it rule over us.
it’s not solely about music actually, with the way many things are nowadays...
theres some prof thats actually encourage, and how they go to fangirl mode abt what they passion, of all the prof in my uni i can count only 3 in my degree thats still so passionate and even offer some project to collaborate with us students, i wish theres more profs like that world wide that would be beautiful and fun :')
100%. I‘ve had a very manipulative, psychologically abusive teacher at conservatory and even after talking to all important people there no one was willing to do something. The only thing that happened was that I got to know many many other students who went through similar situations, sometimes even physical abuse. Conservatories worry about their reputation and they are putting their students future and their mental health at risk.
@@olivieram7280 Agreed.
"People aren't listening to judge your mistakes... they are listening to music, so give them music" ~ My violin teacher
I love this so much and needed to hear this!!
Cool teacher
Love it! Stealing this 😊
...wait...I don't know if that is a good thing... So, don't ever make mistake? Do I interpret the sentence right?
Your teacher is the Bob Ross of music it seems
Our musician friends are talking about a very important topic which everyone should pay attention to. Stop with your practise and listen.
*take breaks
As long as you still get your 40 hours in
yes
There is a time where you have to draw the line and stop the practicing and do self care. There is also a time where we practice. We just gotta know our body to know when to stop and when to start. Don't push yourself too much and just do your best.
@@iiCherryi yes, i agree
So, I don't know if you will ever read this, but I wanted to say thank you. I come from a third-world country with limited access to certain things. This includes classical music. I started learning to play the violin at the age of 9 and loved it so much that I wanted to continue studying classical music after high school.
Almost 11 years ago, I went to university intending to pursue a double major. One of those majors was in music. I assumed that university would be a perfect place to grow as a musician. I was right, but only to an extent. You see, I learned that (as the professor would word it) "my skills were so poor, there was no way I could ever be considered as a music major". I came to realize that for the 9 years I spent learning the instrument, my teacher had not been a very good one. There were skills and information I should have learned that I never did. My level at the time was comparatively low for a college musician.
I never blamed the university for this. If I had a better-trained teacher growing up, I wouldn't have been in this mess in the first place. Still, I was determined to get into this program. I loved music and desperately wanted to improve. So, when they offered to accept me as a probational student, I agreed.
By the end of the school year, I was kicked out of the program. Despite their lessons, I still wasn't good enough. I spent the next 2 years as a music minor, taking classes to improve my skills. By the end of my third year, I passed the audition and was finally accepted as a music major. I was happy, but only for a time. You see, I had endured quite a bit of bullying by a few music majors during this time, and when I became accepted as a music major, the bullying extended to some of the professors.
I won't go into much detail here about what I went through, but it was absolute hell. My already high level of anxiety and depression spiked. My self-esteem plummeted. I was told things like "the only reason why I took you in as a student is because the department chair begged me to". Eventually, I had a breakdown and was forced to see a therapist on campus. Despite all of this, I pushed through, and in my 5th year of undergrad (yeah...still did the double major), I performed a successful senior recital. Professor (surprisingly) expressed pride in me. I was proud of myself too.
I continued playing in the school's orchestra while working on my masters in the other major, but with time, the trauma of it all came back to haunt me. I found myself playing violin and piano increasingly less than before. Now, it's a struggle to even touch the instrument. I get literal panic attacks from seeing masterclasses now. My mental health is a wreck. But people made it seem like I was being dramatic...that I should be over this by now.
So, seeing you talk about mental health and its impact on the classical music community made me really happy. Thank you for being willing to bring topics like these to the surface. Things like this matter to so many of us. I'm sorry this was so long. I don't know if you will even read this, but I wanted to share just how and why you impacted me so much. I definitely look forward to seeing what else you come out with. ❤️
Your experience is really interesting and it's very sad that you were treated this badly when you were just a student who wanted to get better at music. I hope one day you will be able to experience the joy of playing music again.
@winry101 please turn yourself around, look in a new direction, and start again. With any instument play among friends, play in amateur concerts, play in folk groups, sing or accompany a choir (however bad, choirs love putting on concerts for family and friends). Play anywhere and the inner musical spirit that was always inside you will manifest itself again. Forget masterclasses if they make you miserable. My father said I wasn't talented enough for him to pay for music college, so I did normal Uni, and have had a string instrument under my chin ever since. From what you write, I have a feeling you need to find the right context well away from perfectionists, so you can again feel happy to pick up a violin, tune it and play.
You are not alone.
I dont play any instrument, but i know very well that everything has its own pace. I had a car accident 2012 (minor bruises, not much damage) and since then i started to panic an cry as soon as my mother came up with "wanna try to drive today?". I developed a panic disorder, besides my depression disorder.
I really hope that maybe one day you can find a therapist or whatever you need to disconnect the instrument and music from the feelings and memorys that haunts you. But take the time you need. You decide. No pressure please.
I wish you all the best.
@@samends8863 look into Somatic Experiencing
I'm sorry to hear that, take care!♥
This is not just a musician issue, it is a society issue. Very important topic.
Facts
factual
We talk a lot about this in home recently. My wife is a researcher, and there mental sickness is predetermined by definition. It used to be about science and now it is just about money.. - nobody take about it.
I work in the IT where competition can least to burnout very quickly and overtime is often expected and made part of the IT startup culture. .- nobody take about it.
My brother works on huge construction sites as electrician, which is heavily underpaid, sometimes having up to 100 hours overtime per month, and you cannot fight against it, as if your don't comply, someone else will do it for even less money. - nobody take about it.
This is a global problem that nobody talks about.
We concluded that this is modern slavery and no different from the past. It is just less obvious.
I try to figure out how to deal with mental health problems, because I've been there and always am surrounded by it. Even if you do everything you can for years, it's still takes time. I am always so grateful for everything I learned and how I've grown, but I am struggling more than ever. Sometimes symptoms doesn't show when you are in the process but after you already made progress. A bit like getting sick in the holidays.
It's okay to feel difficult feelings, it might sound awful, but they want to help you by showing that's something going wromg, that you need to look at and acknowledge something you might not be aware of
You know what? I always correct my messages when I mistyped some words, but it's fine. I just leave it there. I don't need to hide my mistakes.
"Stand up and walk."
Your doctor sounds like Jesus, Eddy
About as likely to find Jesus as a neurologist who knows what they're doing. It took Eddy a long time, a lot of people, alas, never find the person.... Thank goodness Eddy!
Omg so true
neurologist
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
this srsly reminded me of jesus so much lmaooo
At this point Twoset is one of my emotional support pillars honestly
Honestly me too
Yes I WUV EM ❤❤
True.
Same!
uwu
Do you realize how lucky you 2 are to have each other? The way you look at each other when talking about such a personal issue just makes me wish I have a friend like that too.
Truee ❤️
I am so so so so so lucky to have a twin sister who I can always talk to about everything. We never argue, the closest we get to arguing is annoying each other by talking too much by accident, and we both just understand each other. We’re COMPLETE opposites. Not only by appearance, but with personality too! I like classical, she likes k-pop. I like realism, cubism, and abstract, and she likes anime styled art. I play violin, she plays viola. I get stressed all the time, she never gets stressed ONCE. I get nervous for no reason, and she doesn’t. The main thing between us two is that we’re both introverts. The only person we can confide in is... each other. And that to me is the most special form of connection. The amount of NIGHTMARES I have had about her being murdered, run over by a car, or just passing away from an illness..... it truly is my worst fear. Without her, I feel worthless; I can’t do anything. I’m tearing up just writing about it. She’s the sun to my world. She grows the life that’s on it. She feeds the beautiful plants with her rays of sunlight that she generously gives me. I can’t imagine a life without her, and if I hadn’t had her.... I might’ve just killed myself. I’m not joking. The amount of anxiety and stress I get causes psychological issues, as TwoSet explained. And without her.... I just can’t imagine a life that can thrive. It would all just wither away.
@@idroppedmychicken
Always feel free to let your sister know about how you feel. Considering the mutual love between you two, I'm sure that she'll appreciate your admiration & attachment towards her. :)
@@idroppedmychicken i hate my sister youre lucky
Lovely message! Big hugs 🤗🙏
I'm a psychologist and I must say that this video is too precious. We need to stop pretending that mental health is a taboo and be open about it. Thanks for the courage to bring it up!
Oh! And I must commend by how mindful and carefull you guys were about that.
Yes!! I’m a psych student and I completely agree, the reason why I wanted to go into psych in the first place is bc I want to fight the mentality that mental health is taboo and that it shouldn’t be talked about.
Im God btw and I agree
That's easier said than done /: Not everyone is as kindhearted as in this community. Aldo I absolutely agree it shouldn't be a taboo
Thank you for bringing this up!
ths sad thing those kind of stigma make many people refuse to acknowledge their condition (while they still have good insight) and refuse any treatment and the circle continue.
Hi. I am a clinical psychologist and professor and I have specialized in my research and clinical work on perfectionism and the negative impact on everything from burnout, depression, anxiety, and performance. In my practice I see a lot of very creative people but musicians, and classical musicians in particular. This video is wonderful and I have been trying to educate classical musicians and students (in particular) about these issues. Moreover, as a former classical music student, there is a depth to these issues that can benefit incredibly from working with a very well-trained therapist. I will refer my patients to this video and I appreciate greatly the bringing of this information to awareness.
Paul.
Hi Paul! Nice to see you here! I was a psych graduate student at UBC. You were on my Master thesis committee.
hey can I get myself professionally diagnosed? like I'm scared but I want to also know how to stop it.
@@cherrybeom4181 Go to your local psychologist or psychiatrist. It only takes a few hours to find out what you may or may not have. I also wouldn't focus to much on the diagnosis. If you feel like you need help go for it. There are many professionals out there who would love to help you in dealing with you situation.
@@mangoeisteegamer9351 thanks for the advice ! it's rare to have any doctors that deal with mental health issues here since my country considers it as a taboo but I'll find someone to help, hopefully I could find someone within this year!
HI PAUL
I recently lost my friend. She was the brightest smartest person I knew. She burnt out and took her own life. Please everyone take a moment to love yourself, take a break, it’s okay. Theres so much more to live for.
I’m so sorry for your loss :( please stay strong
-random internet stranger that is so proud of you for holding on in the world
@Hamza Mzali is this the appropriate place to be promoting ur channel 😡
sorry for the lost...
im also thinking about not taking a break, but now i thinked about it and i understand why i need to rest now
Oh god I'm so sorry for your loss, stay strong, hope you're doing okay 💗
@Hamza Mzali Someone has died. People are grieving. But sure go ahead and self promote. 💕 x a thousand to Yoli Z
A good friend of mine attended uni for viola performance. After less than a year, she stood on the roof of a tall building, toes over the edge, and seriously considered ending it. In that moment, she knew that she couldn't continue and switched to something else. It's now several years later, and I don't think she's touched her viola since. Which is a shame, because let me tell you, I played in several concerts with her and she played beautifully.
@@user-tg5mq8ky2y I was referring to the 'several years later' aspect when she would no longer be suicidal... and that if she once played beautifully, that love for music and playing an instrument might still be dormant, though any links with viola/suicide would need her to seek professional help to achieve this.... Sorry i wasn't specific enough...
"You wake up and there's nothing to look forward to."
"It's like trying to get through it everyday."
That resonated with me so much man
Hey, hope you're looking after yourself.
I'm going to be here if you need to talk about anything.
Same
Same
i just started crying
@@trossibop hey, it's going to be alright
Just take a minute, try to focus on breathing
You're doing a great job
Timestamps
2:09 Stress and Burnt out
5:33 Eddy shares when he was in uni, over practicing, and experiencing intense pain in his arms that stopped him from playing. It eventually spread to his legs and he couldn't walk and was in a wheel chair.
9:43 How psychological issues manifest physically.
10:42 Depression
12:00 A bit about Bretts personal experience
13:16 Anxiety
14:46 Industry secret, people taking beta blocks/drugs to control anxiety and nerves.
16:57 Wrapping up Part 1, intentions with creating this video.
17:53 Sharing lessons they've learned. "Realize it's okay." Talk to someone.
18:50 "Once you realize it's okay to acknowledge you're going through something, allow yourself to seek help."
19:22 It's okay to experience an emotion, and not identify with the emotion.
20:33 The voice in your head is not really who you are.
20:58 They share practical things they've done. Build healthy habits. Your mind is apart of your body.
22:26 Overall closing comments
23:04 Ending credits
This is a important video with a lot of info that can help people so I made timestamps of the different sections of the topic they went through, and things that stood out to me. I hope it helps.
Thank you
thanks!
This needs more upvotes very helpful
Thank you!!!
Thanks
I was diagnosed with a neurological disorder last year due to excessive stress and fatigue, and has been depressed since then. This channel has been one of the things where I can somehow feel a little bit better even for a short while.
Take care, everyone.
How u r feeling better 😌 ! (Edit: hope not how sorry typo)
Can I give u a Virtual hug?
**sends virtual hug**
You better take care as well, please. Everybody deserves enough rest--it's a basic need
Hey, you'll get better!
Just get enough rest and try to talk to people you trust.
Hope you'll start feeling fine soon
❤️
I have been a musician for over 40 years now , I cannot believe that you two young guys have acquired so much wisdom and humanity already. I spent years on the competition boards and can totally relate to all the darkness that comes with it. I was lucky and eventually found my way out, but Jesus , I wish that I had seen this video back in the 1980's. You lads are GOLDEN.
Blessings to you Friend ❤
It’s called psychosomatic pain and it’s real. How bad it must have been to be told ‘it’s just in your head,’ because it isn’t really.
Yes! More people need to know that mental health issues can manifest itself in so many different ways.
I’m a med student and it’s been emphasised to us over and over to never discount a patients pain.
Even if there’s no organic pathology involved we’ve been told to never make the patient feel like their pain isn’t real. It *IS* real.
As a nurse I tell my patients "I'm not saying your pain is all in your head, I'm saying ALL pain is in your head. All pain gets processed and recognized in your brain." When you are experiencing pain, what is happening in your head matters.
I’ve been dealing with this recently. Facial injury (I play trombone, so... bad) and tendonitis (see above parentheses) have been pretty bad for me. I’m certain it’s psychosomatic because I work myself so hard. My brain does it to me to protect me from something. It’s good you see it too.
@@jacquelinek5036 exactly! And something being "in your head" doesnt make it less real. I remember seeing this comic recently about someone telling "but don't worry its all in your head" and the other answers "yeah, but that's also where I live"
Yeah, I even ended up having FND (limbs went from painful to straight up not working)
As someone with clinically diagnosed depression and anxiety, this is the best I have ever, ever heard two public figures talk about this sort of stuff. Raw, vulnerable, and really hoping to make an impact. This is such an important video, for both musicians and non-musicians.
I literally cried watching this video. #silentfighter
I'm trying to listen but my ADD won't let me. I pray you don't hurt too much
Agreed.
@@iruthayarajmuthiah8597 thank you for your words. Sending hugs.
@@faramia05 Virtual hugs. I hope you gain the energy to make it through everyday, my friend. Even if everything isn't alright, I believe that you'll make it out alive😊
This is such an important topic, thank you for bringing this up!
Edit: I work in healthcare and the issues brought up are so real. It takes a lot of courage to share personal experiences, I'm really glad Twoset are able to do so. From a healthcare professional's perspective, it can also be immensely difficult to help people with mental health problems without proper training, empathy and experience. Thank you once more for bringing this to everyone's attention!
Agreed!
I agree!
agreed! huge respecttt to themm
Yes!
It really is, I’m glad they’re talking about it :)
After watching this video, I'm so glad that Brett and Eddy have met each other. When Eddy was in his worst time, Brett was there, consoled him and Brett was also the first friend Eddy informed that he was getting better. Eddy recognized what was happening with Brett recently as well. So for everyone out there, and for me too, i hope that we will always appreciate the one that love us, stay beside us ( it could be your friend, family, pets and even your trees :>) And for you guys, who feel like they dont even have corner to release the stress, you have this comment, you can tell me your story. As a stranger, i wouldn't know what to tell you, but i still love you, and this Ling Ling community will love you too. I also feel so grateful that i have found this TH-cam channel, it is just not ridiculous, it is the most wholesome channel and Ling Ling is the most heart warming community, foreverrrrrrrrrrr.
I feel like crying reading this comment - I really love Eddy and Brett's friendship! Always there for one another
I cried reading this comment. People are indeed amazing.
“even your trees” that’s adorable 🥺 love you too!
Love you too ❤
Love you too... I'm really struggling with diagnosed depression since two years, and it's really tough... No tdoing homework for school, not practicing the piano 'cause i don't feel mentally right... 20 years old... What a shit age... I don't even want to go to school because i can't make friends. My classmates always say that i just "complain", if that's what they mean, just because i talk to my real friends in school about myself... I don't know what to do anymore... almost 7 years of school and i'm a fucking failure...
Sorry, but i just had to let out all of this and felt the need to tell someone...
Emanuele
these guys are just amazing, talking about things that others won't
*everyone liked that*
yesss respecttttt
And I love them for that
Exactly
What about the 16 dislikes lol
@@hugnboba here you go, a hug and a boba! (And everyone else ofc) 🤗🧋
TwoSet: bringing classical music to the world
Also TwoSet: changing the world of classical music
Eddy in 2020: "Cardio, no, not my thing"
Eddy in 2021: "For me personally, cardio. It's so cool"
Wow, Eddy, that's character development!
Honestly tho, I’m trying to buildup stamina for my running test. For 10-13 mins is fine afterward it’s death
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@@angieje Try a couch to 5k walk run program. There are many plans online for free. And remember to run at "conversation pace", which is that you are going slow enough and not breathing so hard that you can still hold a conversation as you run.
Thanks for making this video! Mental health isn't talked about enough (not only in music).
15 years ago, I often was terribly nervous performing, and my bow would often shake at the start of concerts. I do know people who take beta blockers, but it's not a long-term solution. Even though beta blockers calm your nerves, I think they also sedate the most exciting and human part of yourself. But that's what makes a performance really worth listening to musically. Do we go to concerts because we want to hear everything perfect and played with the steadiest bow, or because we want to hear something beautiful, exciting, extraordinary, inspired?
The main thing that helped me with stagefright was to pay attention to how I breathe in practice, and making sure I breathe the same way in performance. You mentioned sleeping well, that is huge. I also realized that in a hall, people who sit a few rows away already don't bow-shake all that clearly-- it's possible to get way too worked up about something that most of the audience didn't even notice- from a distance it can almost sound like vibrato to a layperson. And finally, we shouldn't make our own happiness dependent on how well a performance goes....... It's too easy to get into a sort of tunnel vision when you are practicing day after day.
Over the years it became easier until the stage became my favorite place to be. But it was a long road and I remember what it used to feel like years ago! I feel for anyone who is trying to find their own way to cope with the nerves.
But Augustin, we don't really care what they want from us that is to say, that's not what is frightening - it's what we want to offer and what we want them to hear from us that's making us afraid.
True.
Thank you for this wonderful comment Augustin. I also believe that the use of various sedatives and pills has both positive and negative effects on the playing. Now I also suffer very much from the fact that I can not play well enough on stage because of my fear - I do not have a shakying bow, but I clamp so hard (my hands are in great tension) that the sound on my violin becomes dimmer and worse than I could do. I try to arrange concerts in front of my friends every week (to be nervous) and it really, really helps. Anyway, for some people it would be very useful to talk to some people in the public or with friends, it sometimes really calms and instills confidence.
Would anyone be willing to try Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, if anxiety is this bad? It works quite well, and if you’ve invested a good part of your life in learning this instrument, or any stage craft, it would certainly be worth the effort and cost, and you don’t continue on and on with sessions, as with other types of therapy. Just a suggestion.❤️
Very good points, Augustin. I would definitely prefer the inspired performance!❤️
I had a terrible teacher who morally destroyed me, although I won various competitions. Because of the teacher, I finished my music studies at an advanced level, but I was devastated and could no longer touch the instrument for 8 years. And guess what? I watched Twoset every day for a month and they said go practice and I got over my fear of the instrument. Now I have reached the level of a good student of a music school again! this is a victory, thank you
Same here😥 stopped for 3 years after my degree...my teacher bullied me called me stupid and through music in my face😥❤ so happy to hear that you started again
wow this is epic, congratulations!
I also experienced the bully teacher, needed years to recover...
There are quite a few famous musicians who absolutely hate music competitions. The idea there is one "winner" and everyone else is a "loser" is cruel. Everyone is unique; we all have a story to share. Welcome back to music!
Wow congrats....
guys, your own mental and physical health should be your priority, and please PLEASE don't feel like we (twosetters) are pressuring you into endless content. we obviously love any videos you make, but if you need a break, for however long, there is no shame in that. we arent going anywhere!
yes, we'll support them for a thousand year... and a thousand more :')
We support you twoset...pls don't ever pressurize yourselves.......
I love that fact, that we hear Rachmaninoff's 2nd piano concerto in the background because it is his comeback piece after a period of depression and he dedicated it to his therapist.
All by myself...
@@vvlams55 Which was copied by Eric Carmen off of this concerto. All by myself is credited to both Carmen and Rachmaninoff xD
That is such a great point! Thank you!
Yes, indeed. Someone's been reading the CD notes.
Dear TwoSet,
During a very hard period of depression and anxiety, my classmates introduced me to your channel. I hadn't really cared for classical music and hadn't practiced my violin much before I found you. I started watching your channel, and you inspired me to love classical music. I could relate to many composers and their music, and it also helped me calm down when I was upset. When my mental health issues got so bad that I had to go to a psychiatric hospital, I decided to start practicing daily after lunch. The violin had no tapes on it, which I was not used to and was a size bigger than my usual size, I discovered that it fit perfectly, and I was ready to play without the tapes. I realized how therapeutic violin was, and it helped me a lot. I improved a lot there and listened to a lot of classical music. You inspired me to love and appreciate this amazing form of music, which I know is your goal. thanks so much Twoset!
-Izzy
As someone who has struggled, and is still struggling, with anxiety and depression, I remember getting so anxious before concerts, and during practice sessions, in fear that I wouldn't be good enough. I remember having panic attacks before solos and completely dissociating during performances to the point that I felt completely disconnected from my own body. I have broken down into tears during practise sessions over the thought that I am not good enough. Thank you for doing this video. I think it is so important that we talk about this and to know that we are not alone. xx
❤
Listen there u
idk where u are or who u are but the fact that u opened up about it is amazing I could never :(
Ur stronger than u think so be happy and be I N T E R E S T I N G
be safe and remember u matter 💜
i relate entirely
Very well said, and know that I (and I imagine so many others) get anxiety around performing too. I hope that knowing it's ok to feel like this and sharing here helps you in some way. x
Yep, I relate as well.
Imagine if we could make a totally imperfect orchestra. Being us just being gorgeously imperfect, giving imperfect performances, and BE GOOD WITH THAT? That would be amazing.
I was a tiny bit sharp during some solos played in our last concert in september. That concert is out on facebook.
And I STILL, 6 months later, cringe in my thoughts and hate myself for it, not to be able to intonate better than that!
I was too nervous and then too sharp and too obsessed about playing all the notes and rhythms correct, I couldn't hear it.
But I heard it on the take, and dude...!
I only heard it twice and I m sooo ashamed! Thinking that EVERYBODY is mocking me for it!
The truth is that after the concert, lots of the audience (who probably didn't even catch the pitchy-ness) were sooo impressed and proud of me! Some of them even got up to me and THANKED me for the performance! 😳❤
Still....I can't enjoy it. I can't listen to it.
I played everything right, every note, every rhythm, I didn't have one split, nothing during that whole concert, and that is very much heard.
But still, I was sharp.
Means I'm a terrible musician.
What an idiot-thought!
I NEVER get these thoughts hearing any others playing sliiiightly out of tune. They are just unlucky, nervous, its good.
But me?
I was sharp. Can't play. Have no ears appearently. 🙄
God how silly! How to get rid of those stupid thoughts???
'Your brain is part of your body.' This is so true, this is what people need to realise to understand how real mental health is.
yes because it has effect on the other and harmful to suppress and harmful to push to ignore. was my favorite takeaway from this video with other points and bringing awareness to things, it’s important to take care of all of you
Exactly, people really need to realize this! Telling someone who is suffering from clinical depression that their pain is "all in their head" is like telling someone with a broken ankle that their pain is "all in their leg." Like bruh I know it's coming from my brain, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt
So important ! Everything goes together and one has to be well for the other to be too ^^
When I was recovering from depression I knew that the times I started not exercising and not eating well were the times I had to be extremely careful not to ''fall back''
It's perfectly okay to have bad days obviously, but overall exercise and diet honestly saved me !
When I'm depressed I feel strong joint pain, and that's the case of many people I know, so it can be hard to get moving, but with help and patience you can break the vicious circle gently but surely :)
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We need to be taught more about general brain health and how the brain and body are connected and need rest and doesn't work well in a monoculture lifestyle (ie: only practicing or over practicing). We're put with loads of stress in music and I try to tell people to do meditation or cardiac coherience and make sleep the #1 priority. The brain needs time to digest the day and it does that during sleep. I hope we all can share our tips and make our music lifestyle more healthy.
Hey verified guy
@@beepbeep1592 hi ya there!
@@flutechannel your video on lips embochure helped me a lot.
@@beepbeep1592 my pleasure! Happy to help
@Adil Tijani holy crap! Twoset is opening up about something very important and here you are spamming this link? No one likes you, and no one wants to listen to your piano, especially not when you're trying to shove it down our throats. I'm going to report you.
As an Asian American, I also wanted to add that mental health is an incredibly taboo topic among Asians - there's this mentality of, just keep your head down, don't talk about your problems, keep working. So I'd like to doubly commend these two for not only bringing up mental health for musicians but also for being brave enough to talk about this subject as two people who are Asian.
Yes what you said is true.
But honestly it is still the same, majority people still think that those suffering from mental health issues are abnormal people and that mental health issues are just excuses given by lazy people, it sucks :'(
As a fellow Asian, I'd like to say that I'm proud of you!
@@antheiaaurisedits8777 Thanks for pointing that out. Hope you find the help to get through everything you're going through right now ❤️
@@shela404 I am fine :) hope you are doing good, one of my friends was suffering from depression, if it wasn't stigmatized maybe it could have been diagnosed before her physical health had gotten worse
@@antheiaaurisedits8777 I'm really sorry to hear that 😔 Thanks for sharing the story ❤️
A lot of people have said this, but Brett and Eddy mean so much more to us than just TH-camrs who entertain us with music and music-themed comedy. They have saved so many people from mental health disorders, suicidal tendencies, and negative feelings in general. Hearing them be so open like this means a lot to all of us, and it gives us the courage to be open about our own problems, instead of hiding them away until they destroy us.
Thank you so much TwoSet, for all the lives you saved, and all the happiness you spread to the world!!
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I'm a medic and the part where Eddy and Brett are talking about how musicians take beta-blockers to get through performances hit me SO HARD because this was what happened during our medical school exams. For context, I actually have generalised anxiety disorder. But that means I know how to manage it. My colleagues however were total messes when exams came up. They let go of sleep routines, they stopped all hygiene, they ate crap (or nothing), they drank coffee constantly... and then they stopped being able to sleep or think clearly. Instead of dialling back and taking better care of themselves, they got beta-blockers. Almost my entire cohort was on beta-blockers for the exam period. It is such an unhealthy system and unhealthy approach. I wish it was more talked about, and I am so glad to see TwoSet doing that.
I was about to comment about this too! Taking beta blockers has been so normalized in our institution that even consultants are joking about it. I even wished I followed suit when I broke down WHILE taking our major practical exam, which was a very humiliating and traumatizing experience. I almost took some (asked my friend to get some for me) during our board exams but didn't anymore because I was feeling calmer than expected. But still I knew a few who did, or at least talked or joked about it. It's concerning that it's become so normalized especially since we considerably have easier access to it.
@@JustineAprilJ It just makes people push themselves to even more unhealthy extremes instead of learning how to look after themselves when the going gets rough. I'm sorry you had the experience you did; it is such an unhealthy and punishing system. :/
@@JustineAprilJ When I was studying opera it was beta blockers during auditions, I myself tried it several times because there were times my heart was beating out of my chest and I couldn’t hear myself sing.... then when I dropped out and switched to Business, my classmates were all taking Ritalin. 😭 it’s an institutional problem.
My university started to incorporate a musician’s health module last year which focused on both physical health of musicians but also mental health and how to avoid burnout , depression and anxiety . I was so grateful for that class because first year music was sooo stressful , but having that knowledge and also support helped so much . Hopefully more universities will implement similar classes in the near future !
This is really heartening to know!:)
Which uni?
@@kopanoblessingmoeti3277 University of Pretoria . It’s in South Africa
This is so important. I really appreciate you guys opening this topic up - not only for the classical music scene and asian community, but for anyone with limited resources to learn how to take care of our mental wellbeing. So, so inspiring - keep it up!!!
Hey I’ve seen your Instagram posts recently. Amazing playing.
Woah, hai Sumina and yes I agree, huge respect to them!
Totally agree with you🤩
Even the queen agrees.
Thanks! it means a lot that you made a comment to this video :) NYでの活動頑張って😉いち日本人として応援してます🎻
Hey Guys, I’m a psychotherapist who works with many musicians in my private practice and I just gotta say, THANK YOU from the very bottom of my heart for using your platform to talk about mental health issues that affect musicians! Your influence matters. You are so beloved to your fans (myself included). Also, you really were so spot on with the tools you shared! One thing I would like to add is there is a particular modality of therapy called Dialectic Behavior Therapy (DBT) that has 4 modules (emotional regulation, distress tolerance, mindfulness, and interpersonal effectiveness) that my clients swear by when it comes to managing the types of struggles musicians (and everybody) deal with. I truly believe DBT should be required education in middle school, High school, and college so people don’t have to wait until they are in their adult lives and facing burnout to start addressing these things. Loves to you, both!
And I am now going to read up on it... thank you for sharing!
I went through the DBT process and it literally saved my life. I am very thankful to have fallen into the hands of the psychotherapist that suggested I should do it.
I did DBT for a while and am still doing it and probably one of the best decisions I ever made. I am a senior in high school planning to go to music school and I can say it was really hard to continue with my music because of my depression and anxiety. Most days I was too depressed to be bothered to practice and my anxiety was so bad I couldn’t even play in front of my teacher to get help. Some times in class I would become so upset at making mistakes and feeling like a failure that my mood would do a complete 180 and I’d just break down. I owe so much to DBT and my therapist for helping me become a successful young musician today, and for helping me find the joy in music again and giving me the courage to keep going.
i did dbt for a bit but the people doing it were so strict about attending every session even though most people doing the sessions have depression or bpd and can't exactly control being able to get out of bed and whatnot :/ i enjoyed it for the time i had it but i just wish it was more accessible esp for those who genuinely need it but struggle more with day-to-day tasks
Do you have some books on this topic? Seems to be an interesting way to deal with mental health issues.
My teacher once told me about a friend of hers. She didn't do anything else than practice and practice. She was going to travel to have concerts and stuff,while my teacher and other students went on social events and stuff. But at her concert, she passed out.
You need to take rests. You can't only practice.
My teacher once told me that rest also practises and that for every hour you practise you need at least an hour of rest doing something else you really enjoy
You need to practice your rests!
@@fullnessof_joy and 4'33 !
@@Ava-cw3jf that's a really good advice I sing and honestly I just practice like 2 days a week or something because if you practice every day it hurts really bad some times I take like so many rest days because I get tired mentally and I think it's really imp to rest for sometime
Practice and relax.
Psychosomatic pain is what Eddy was talking about, it's there but it isn't there.
It's also worth mentioning that my funniest friend is one of the happiest people I've met. Came as a shock to me when he was admitted to a psych-ward for a few weeks. The humor was a defense mechanism for his anxieties that caused a massive depression. Happiness and humour is not the equivalence of being without depression; if anything, it's often a marker that the person is depressed but has become very good at hiding it. Also, when a depressed person is being talked to, they get to forget their problems for a wee bit and show off a bit of their funny thoughts which looks like complete happiness to others.
This is so true. So many comedians are depressed people.
That sounds so much like me but, correct me if I am wrong in doing this, whenever I feel sad and depressed I just ask myself "what is there to be depressed about?" I just tell myself that I have nothing to worry about because nothing is in my control.
@@Trooman20 - That is all good up until when your brain decides for you and it becomes an actual psychological problem; a clinical depression. That's when one gets admitted to a ward having lost control of oneself and needs therapy.
@@SnorrioK ah I see, thanks for your response
@@SnorrioK it’s not quite truly psychosomatic …Eddy experienced conversion disorder. This is when the mental pressure actually rewires the brains pain receptors. The pain is extremely real but isn’t caused but injury or disease. So yes it starts in the head but the pain is real. In Scotland a research paper was written on the brain scans of people with conversion disorder. The pain shows up in brain scans as brain waves exactly the same as if the subject is being cut or stabbed etc.
I really do hope that Brett and Eddy realise that they are so much more to us than just 2 violinists who had a successful TH-cam channel, that they've changed the perspective of the classical music industry and created such a safe space for all of us musicians and non-musicians. I couldn't be more grateful to have stumbled upon their channel.
Andea Chin Is that true, I didn't know? That these two were *that* revolutionary, was classical music so tightly boundaried before?
Omg, yes. They deserve much more then what we can give.
@@blixten2928 of course it isn't to say that what they're doing is revolutionary, all I'm saying is that it's really impactful that they're using their platform to have these type of conversations that have been long overdue, especially since a large portion of their audience are youths.
@@blixten2928 TwoSet make classical music interesting for a mainstream audience. TH-cam as a platform is incredibly important these days, especially towards the youth. I For example, I have never actively searched for a classical channel and still stumbled upon TwoSet and they got me hooked. And I am just an example of thousands. Their collaboration with Dave504 and Roomie, just to name two big names, are extremely valuable as well
I feel so bad for all the musicians who are struggling during the pandemic. Here in NYC, some members of the Philharmonic can’t event continue to live here anymore because they haven’t been paid since April 2020. I can’t imagine how big a toll that takes on mental health. Sending you both my best wishes! ❤️❤️
It’s a sad moment. We all must stay strong and help support others.
Not being able to perform in front of a live audience and sense their reactions...live...That's hard for a live performer.
a non musician here, but even with academic fields, i strongly relate to this. i think this actually applies to ALL fields.
and i feel so safe to see my favorite people and my role models having went through these hard times and sharing their views and opinions for us.
i’ve seen them as ‘nearly perfect, disciplined’ two individuals. i was undergoing my ‘depression periods’ about my academic grades, and always envied how refined they were about their profession. they seemed too far different from me.
however, today they opened up their sides that they could’ve felt somewhat uncomfortable of. i learned that they also underwent those negative periods, just like me, but in the end, they overcame it. now they’re spreading classical music to 3M and more people, worldwide!
what i learned from this is, i gained confidence and faith that i can also do it, just like them. though it may be hard at some point, things will be solved one day. thank you brett and eddy, now i reinforced my thoughts why you guys are my role models!
I agree, this can happen in any point or field of your life. I'm very glad you're doing better now, stay strong and safe! You are loved and important
So true, this happens in a lot of careers. There is a disconnect when what you love becomes your job. It becomes a source of stress instead of relief. So you need to balance that.
I cried while watching this. I'm having such a hard time with life in general at the moment and all of the things you've spoken about are things I've told myself over and over. I'm not a musician, I'm a writer but it stands. Being alone.... The spiraling of your thoughts... its like you carved this straight out of my brain. Thank you for talking about it and even if this never gets seen at least I got it off my chest. It's hard. It's so hard.
It's also safer to comment here than anywhere else, tbh
Edit: why am I getting likes? No one was supposed to even see this!
Well I'm trawling down the comments - Imagine a lot more will have seen this than the 'likes' you received! I do hope things have improved for you in the intervening months, Laura. It's so sad when our passion turns against us...
it's well written, hope things going better after 5 months, virtual hug
I cried the whole video through too. Same reasons.
How ya feelin' ?
Any better?
A year had passed since you published this comment and people still see it. I hope you have been getting better, and I hope the Ling Ling community has constantly been there for you!!
There's a "Twoset" generation of musicians. You are setting a difference, for good. Bravo and thank you for every video you make. It would be great if you could incorporate piano more often, like inviting Sophie or talking a bit more about it? Please? Also it would be great if you had piano theme in your apparel. ❤️
Your videos help young musicians have a more possitive approach towards music discipline. You are the best.
Agreed
Include all instruments.
Let's get an orchestral merch XD
Mental health counselor here. There’s not a single thing I disagree with in this video. I see amongst musicians that there is such pressure to be defined, so to speak, by your instrument. Thank you for bringing these issues to light. And if you’re dealing with mental health issues, there is no shame in seeking help from professionals :)
Take care of yourselves. A friendly reminder :)
yepp and don't forget that we will all be here for y'all
thanks! (im not a musician or something but twoset educated me today once again)
This feels like a full circle moment. I used to be in youth orchestra with you guys - even shared a teacher with Ed. I legitimately burnt out mentally before going to conservatory and had a shift in career trajectory . This is all so real. Thanks for opening up the discussion on this.
Wow that’s pretty cool, being in youth orchestra with these guys
Can we just appreciate the fact that Twoset is really trying to use their influence to spread this issue and raise awarness about it like what influencers should actually do??
They are the best 😭
Agree!!
for anyone who needs to remember this:
you are NOT your mistakes or failures. you are bigger than them.
you're kind, you're smart, you're important.
@boughaleb samima dude, I know you're trying to create a following by recommending videos but I just lose all respect when you're trying to advertise a video on an important video like mental health. It just comes off as disrespectful
Thank you and you are too :)
thank you
@boughaleb samima dude really?
Same name and Brasilian too?! *-* Great words ❤️ Thank you for remeber us :') 🙏
"Instead of saying I am nervous, say I feel nervous"
This is very important. Don't identify yourself by what you feel. Remember that you are stronger than your emotions. I know it is easier said than done but I believe in you! Sending love to all people going through tough times. I believe you will get through it stronger
"I am nervous" "Hi nervous, I'm dad"
Thank you! Also your profile picture made my day!
It took me a while to watch this video. I'm not a musician but almost my entire family is. I have ADHD and dyslexia and I felt miserable because I was the only child who couldn't read music. It was so sad growing up and seeing my siblings playing instruments or singing and I was below average. My dad never gave up on me and it wasn't until a couple years ago that I actually realized I could sing. I'm a preschool teacher who sings to my kids to teach them. I'm not a professional but I practice everyday and work hard to improve my technique. Thanks a lot for your videos. Greetings from Colombia.
Hey, another viewer from Colombia.
Being a 40year old, bedridden for several years now, due to pains, depression and that voice and thoughts inside, ( not linked to only music, but other stressing elements in my life) this video might actually change my life.
When Eddy talked about those pains and depression , I cried. I mean, really sobbed, because it hit me so hard.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TALKINF ABOUT IT!!
That's what we need!
God, I love you guys! I wish I knew someone like you when I was in music uni, 25 years ago!
❤️
Glad you found a way to deal with the issue.
You're doing great!
Also, please try to take things one at a time.
You aren't too old and I'm sure you'll be able to put things in place once you start feeling better. I'm here if you need to talk.
I hope you find a way to get better. All the best to you!
sending you lots of love. please don't hesitate to reach out
As someone who is clinically diagnosed with depression, I can confirm at least for me the they described depression was exactly how it feels
Like falling into a endless pit of sorrow and pain
Seconded. I actually had to take a break from school, and before that from the sport I loved, and I felt exactly the same as Brett described. I think depression is awful primarily because it convinces you it isn't there, that you're just complaining, and by the time you realise it's often quite far developed and then it's a sod to get rid of.
@@adejokeakinbiola9211 slowlyyy falling down there... that only some specific friends... or smth random could pic you back up temporarily...
@@hannahfox5422 I almost got put in a mental hospital bc of how bad it got from too much stress and school and music
What a cringey comment. Stop faking depression to sound cool, it isn't.
Oof as a practicing physician, when Eddy talked about the doctor who just prescribed him meds and told him that it was all in his head I cringed. I'm sorry Eddy, I understand exactly what's it like (parents heavily pushed me into being a piano at 2, and developed severe tendonitis at 15, my physician at the time just prescribed me meds, and disregarded the pain I was feeling) that type of apathetic mindset is exactly what we've been trying to change over the years, and one that made me want to go into the medical field in the first place. I hope only the best for you and Brett in the future, cheers lads🍻
You'll do for the medical world - at a minimum - just what TwoSet are trying to do for classical music. Please continue to be inspiring, you are needed.
Bravo gentlemen. As a psychiatrist myself, life long lover of classical music, amateur French horn player and member of a high quality chamber chorus, who has also treated many professional musicians in my psychiatric practice, I congratulate you on this amazing video.
Yes, medication is sometimes necessary and helpful but the deeper psychological and spiritual layers are generally even more important.
I’m so grateful to have discovered your channel. Your humanity emerges from all of them. Thank you so much.
Wise phychiatrist. Most would simply just want to give you pills and be done with it.
First time they’re not wearing two set apparel in a long time
noticed that too
That's how we tell they're serious I suppose
Really glad with this.
One point I’d like to bring up is the fact that music is seen as this taboo career path at least here in the United States by most people. When you’re high school and you say that you want to pursue music, a lot of the time you get a ton of backlash from parents or other adults who think they know what’s best since obviously most people only think about the monetary gain from it or lack there of. This creates a lot of pressure to make something of yourself which can be good, but there’s also that looming sense of disapproval from those around you. It can weigh heavily on you and affect those relationships very much.
you can say that again! I honestly wish I was never born with such a passion for music. I’m currently in college and because of my parents not taking my musical passion seriously enough and the fact that they kind of suppressed me really made me not skilled enough to actually pursue music as a career. And i feel like I’m gonna live the rest of my life thinking about what could’ve been, if my parents had actually been supportive of this passion that I’ve had since I was a kid.
Well it's taboo because it's a terrible career choice. Kind of like gender studies. Negativity and backlash is probably the best thing you could ask for when it comes to making an awful decision.
@@austindavis2406 why are you even watching this video and why are you even interested in Twoset if you think music is a terrible career? Also when you’re feeling depressed I bet you turn to music to feel better, that shows how important music can be! Quit being such a simple minded idiot
@@Scriabin_fan Austin could have worded it better, but I think that what they meant was that it's more difficult to earn a living while being a musician than with a traditional 9-5 job. It doesn't mean it's something you shouldn't pursue, just that people will probably advise you not to because of financial reasons.
@@austindavis2406 I understand your response Austin and I’m one of the lucky ones who made it out on the other side and can do music as a full time gig. You certainly do have to be in the top of your class
huge respect to Twoset, they really are making such a huge difference to the classical music society
O>O and the world :DDD
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I know a lot of people (like myself) come back to this video whenever they are feeling burnt out, depressed, exhausted or overwhelmed. Thank you Twoset, what you’re doing is impacting people on so many levels.
"Strive for continuous improvement and not perfection."
- Kim Collins
I live by that statement every single day. It really helps.
Many times it teaches me that I don't have to strive for perfection in one single day, and helps me balance things out.
This is true! I was just thinking about this the other day, and when Brett and Eddy said that most people would quit because they wanted immediate results, it made me think about how people set themselves New Years resolutions but never go through because they’re not thinking about the LONG RUN. So if you want to be a great musician, you can’t burn yourself out, that “success” we get from burnout can only last for so long. It really depend on how we define success too. I was thinking about this the other day, on how people have different views of success; some people think burnout is success, others love the slow progress and the enjoyment of what they do, others think blowing up as fast as possible is success. Although they ARE reaching a certain goal, it really depends if they are happy an healthy after and during all of it. We gotta be careful we don’t do things that will harm us or other people JUST for recognition from strangers. We have to find in balance in these things
This is one big reason why competitions are detrimental. Who is the "perfectest"?
Oooff, I needed to knwo that
Thank you for this!
I’m an army musician and just got certified as a resilience trainer, and the techniques I use to help soldiers deal with the stress, depression, and anxiety of combat/ deployment are the same techniques I use to help my bandmates deal with the stress, depression, and anxiety of life as a musical performer, which shows how serious musician mental health really is. It’s actually something I hope to develop into a talk I can give at university music departments and conservatories someday. This video inspired me to continue my efforts. All the techniques you mentioned at the end fall in line with the training I received and seem like excellent advice to me!
more power to you sir!
curious to hear some good techniques that you really advocate?
@@tyrone8059 Absolutely! There are soooooo many, so I’ll just focus on one of the three topics 2set mentioned-anxiety-and just give you 3 techniques. And as a disclaimer, I’m not a psychologist (although I do work closely with them when I teach these techniques to Soldiers), so please take everything I say with a grain of salt.
Deliberate Breathing: Use this when your sympathetic nervous (fight or flight, performance anxiety) system and energy is highly activated. Breath low and full in and out for even counts (ex. 5 in, 5 out) while visualizing a vivid image that causes you to feel gratitude, like petting your dog or cuddling with your partner or watching a beautiful sunset. The breathing stimulates the vagus nerve that triggers your parasympathetic nervous system (rest & digest, healing), and the imagery helps take control of your thoughts and generate more productive emotions and physical reactions.
Real-time resilience: This is the skill of dealing with that negative voice in your head that 2set talked about. I recommend practicing this before the actual performance or event. Generate all the counterproductive thoughts you could possibly have in the moment (e.g. “I’m going to get nervous,” “I’m not good enough,” “I’m going to fail,” “Everyone is going to cringe at me,”) and then either read them to yourself or, even better, have a partner read them or even generate new counterproductive thoughts for you to react to. As you go through them, practice countering them out loud in real time with productive statements. (e.g. “That’s not entirely true because I’ve put in more than enough preparation and trust the work I and my teacher have put in,” or “The most likely implication is that any mistake I make will be minor, and it won’t detract from the audience’s enjoyment of my performance.”) The faster you can generate these responses, the better. With enough practice, you’ll be able to do this quickly and internally during the performance without even realizing you’re doing it.
Interpreting Physical Reactions: This is important for breaking out of that feedback loop of feeling nervous, then thinking you’re feeling that way because you’re unprepared, so you get even more nervous, etc, etc. Thoughts drive your emotions and reactions, so that’s the intervention point. Instead of thinking, “I’m feeling this way because I’m unprepared,” you can think, for example, “My heart is pounding because I’m excited to perform this music that I love and because I want to do well. I care about this performance, and that is giving me the energy I need to perform it well.” This helps us grab control of our emotions and reactions and, therefore, our energy activation.
I hope this helps. I really did try to be brief, but there’s a lot to this subject, and I’m really passionate about teaching it. Please feel free to ask questions and I’ll do my best to answer!
@@betando honestly that was such a good brief of everything! I'm personally not a musician or performer but will definitely start implementing this in day to day life since it's definitely general enough to apply - I've got no questions since it was such a detailed response but thanks for taking time out of your day to write all that :)
@@tyrone8059 I’m so glad! It’s my pleasure-I totally agree that these techniques can be applied to so much more than just music, and I’m so glad to hear you find them useful! It’s really rewarding to be able to pass on this info to someone who can use it, so thank you :)
The depression section hit really hard. I'm not clinically depressive and I don't know if you could call it a depressive period, but there was this one person who I used to be friends with. He knew I played the violin but never actually heard me, and kept saying how I must've been this prodigy and etc even though I kept saying I wasn't. And when he did actually hear me play, he did go 'wow I thought you were at a prodigy level', which I'm honestly fine with. I am so incredibly far from that lmao, it's just the truth.
But then that led to 'jokes' that were like 'haha played for 10 years but still can't get intonation right', '*plays audio* this is how it's actually supposed to sound like', etc. At first I was fine with it since I can take jokes like that and also regularly self deprecate. Basically I was used to it. But then the frequency of the jokes grew way past being funny. It also really didn't help that this guy, who's a pianist, wasn't at a prodigy level but was seriously good at playing the piano, especially compared to me on my violin.
When Eddy mentioned his friend who couldn't even touch her violin without crying, that one hit really, really hard. Because in this one period of time where I was doing my best to practice frequently, those 'jokes' would constantly be running through my head on how I was pretty much a failure, on top of my preexisting regret of not practicing harder all those years before. And then that would lead to tears - I practiced through tears so many times and that even happened three times in front of my tutor, which was embarrassing. (My tutor doesn't know about this.) But yet, no matter how much I practice, I still sound like crap. (So the study on situations like this making your musical abilities worse was kinda a relief to hear, as if it's not just that I'm that hopeless? Haha)
This eventually lead to me making more self deprecating jokes, except there were less of the 'haha funny' kind and more of the 'cry for help' kind. I would tell those to said person along with briefly touching on how I felt like crap, basically. But every time I did, he'd just brush it off and say 'enough, I'm tired of hearing this' every time. (Which isn't very much since I don't confide a lot to begin with, but hey, now the internet's reading this!)
The last time we talked was when I directly confronted him saying that 'your jokes make me feel like crap, please stop making that.' The only response I got was 'well I have feelings too', which doesn't even make any bloody sense. Since when was being nothing but honest for the other person's benefit equal to degrading someone's self esteem daily?
That, along with a crap ton of other trash, finally made me realise how bloody toxic he is. I've cut him off, but the effects still follow me to this day, whether music related or not. I've barely touched my violin now and I'm pretty sure I'm avoiding it by playing the piano a lot more frequently now. Even talking or even writing about this specifically makes me tear up from all the humiliation. But I really hope that I'll gather my wits about and just get back to the violin, because I miss playing it and there are so many things I want to learn on it.
Thank you so much TwoSet Violin for making bringing this topic to light. You guys really are the pioneers of classical music in today's age. (And sorry for the long comment essay lmao, just had to get it off my chest. And hopefully this could help others too?)
Such a sad story and you've already made a good step in removing yourself from this toxic person- I hope you will one day realise that this person's strategy of trying to feel good by putting someone down is actually on them and nothing about you. I hope you will one day learn to love yourself again and rediscover the joy you had in your playing before this happened.
Jokes that make you feel bad about yourself are not jokes. They are abuse.
It will always hurt your self esteem. I am glad you stood up to it. In general you better keep away from such persons.
You should start telling yourself other stores about yourself and I think you can help yourself by searching professional help for that.
I hope then you will have a more realistic view of yourself.
YOU ARE WORTH IT, whether you believe me or not!
i’m really sorry that this person treated you that way. i wish you well for the future and i hope you find your passion for the violin again. just take it slowly, step by step and i’m sure one day you’ll find yourself playing again! thank you so much for sharing as well, it must be difficult but sharing your own experience is a really brave thing to do
Wow, what a shitty friend!
While it may be true that you could still find yourself improving with your music, that's no way to talk to anyone!
Time and practice along with your health will definitely bring you to where you want to be - no one else's opinion honestly matters, and I'm glad you did great to distance yourself from this person.
Glad you at least cut him off. That's the first step! I believe with time you'll be at peace and finally ready to play your violin again.
If I may humbly offer my opinion, I think after years of self-deprecation and receiving negative "jokes", you may subconsciously think that there's no point in playing if you're not good enough, hence why you keep being reminded of his words and avoided playing it? If so, I hope slowly you can experience joy playing the violin again and overwrite those thoughts. By the way, I play classical piano, and some point I totally dropped it having the thoughts I mentioned before. I started playing again years after that, after knowing Animenz and seeing how anime piano songs are fun to play. I'm practicing for fun now, both anime songs and classical, and very thankful for that.
Dear TwoSetViolin: My name is Kyle Craft - Violinist and I wanted to express my thanks to both of you for taking the time to talk about this important topic. I agree with you both 100% that this a topic that needs to be discussed more in the Music Industry. I’m a Professional Musician myself and have had similar experiences to both of you guys that I would like to share. Hopefully this will be an inspiration to some of you reading this. I’ve been playing violin since I was 4 years old. When I was in high school I auditioned for the Precollege at the San Francisco Conservatory of Music and after a successful audition, was accepted and studied there for 2 years. Unfortunately in my senior year of high school, I had a similar experience to what a burnout was. I was practicing literally 6 hours a day and that took its toll on me. My passion for music was still there, however it wasn’t as big as it was and it was pretty scary to me as this was what I have been doing my whole life. Luckily I developed a passion German and started to intensively learn German, which I did fluently. Music was still a big part of me but it wasn’t the main thing I did. I did a lot of traveling and studying German. One day my passion did come back as I started to produce my own concerts. However along the way, I got a horrible Carpel Tunnel Syndrom injury from overpractice. It was so bad that I had to put the violin away for more than half a year. I went to several doctors and they all told me to stop playing. Surgeons were like we can operate on it tomorrow and my physical therapist said that you are playing a lot so pretty much said the same thing as my doctor. I wasn’t buying it. My Choir Director recommended me to Chiropractic Care with a Chiropractor who studied in Switzerland and has treated string players with these kinds of problems. I decided to go for it and within 4 sessions, I was able to play again. I did a 4 month session with him and if it weren’t for him, I would not be able to play today. Chiropractic therapy saved my career and I regularly go to him whenever I feel something is not right with my wrists. I have daily stretches I do before I warm-up/play to keep my tendons in shape. When I had my tendonitis case, my physical and emotional health was not the best so I was forced to start excersizing which I hated at the time. I was introduce to Bikram Yoga and that changed my life. After a few months of doing it, I started to feel physically and emotionally so much better about myself. My eating habits were not the best so when the Bikram Yoga started to do its work, my body started to detox. I used to love Parmensan Cheese and Pasta and I had that for dinner one night. The next day I had an all day gig and a few hours after eating that dinner, I got so sick from it. So I was forced to change my diet. I started this Yoga routine in 2019 and when the worldwide shutdown came, I promised myself that I was going to continue to excersize and get healthy so I started running. Throughout all of this, I started to love excersizing and it has become a vital part of my routine: Bikram Yoga, Running, Workout, Healthy Eating and I make sure I get at least a full 8 hour sleep every night. Before the Pandemic hit, my music career was taking off which was great and I was doing so much performing. However when the pandemic hit, I felt run down from all the practicing, rehearsing and performing. So I knew that performing wasn’t just what I wanted to do. I wanted to do the whole nine yards (Performing, Teaching, Music Directing etc) and that is what I do now. In addition to that, I also started a seperate German Business which is also a big passion of mine and I love it. Now, I have a full balanced life: My 2 careers, healthy eating and excersize routine which I love :)
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Hey Brett and Eddy, I’m not a musician and this is low key irrelevant to the video but...
You guys have done so much for me and my mental health. I was in a really shitty place when I first discovered you guys, trying to figure my life out, recovering from depression, progressing and regressing every few days. I tried very hard in therapy to get better, and progress was slow. But then I started watching twoset. I had videos to look forward to, funny content to laugh at and the whole Lingling40hrs subreddit to keep me going. Eventually, I also picked up an instrument (erhu) which I never thought I would bc I hated music as a kid after being forced to learn piano. It’s the best decision I’ve made in recent times since my life went downhill.
My life isn’t all that much better yet, but my view on life has. Thank you for being brave and sharing your stories with the world. And thank you for giving me hope.
**sending hearts**
Congrats! You're getting there 😍
Fellow erhuist here:) learning it also changed my life honestly. Just curious- what pieces are u learning and how's it going?
Ikrr!! I can relate to you so much. Except for the fact that I can't gather the courage to talk to my parents about learning an instrument. You surely are really strong. Good luck💖😇
Didn't click the notification so fast just to see that heartbreaking title
Thank you twoset for bringing up such an important issue, especially during this pandemic where everyone is struggling in one way or another. Stay strong everyone
Same took me 5 mins before watching it
@@Ponta-Kun_Official this is very rude. not everybody is instantly ready to deal with a heavy topic. this video is emotionally intense and people might need to prepare themselves for it, myself included. please refrain from insulting people this way again in the future
@@Ponta-Kun_Official please take your hate elsewhere. Even if you cannot relate to the topic, you are being very disrespectful.
Not a musician, but I needed to hear this. These are issues that are pervasive in every industry, and I'm so glad that you two have dedicated these relatable episodes for us.
Thank you for helping normalize these conversations.
I‘m not a musician either but can totally relate. I’m learning to play the piano and as soon as I even try to record I mess up, even if I can play the piece... Or the scales...😂 Let alone have somebody listen to it. They help me to carry on learning and practicing with less pressure. Just enjoy playing and getting better in my own time. (Age 59yrs.)
@@skye1760 I just started learning violin and I'm an adult beginner too! Doing a proper bow hold (balancing and controlling) has been so frustrating, and when my lesson begins I get anxious and mess up despite practicing everyday haha all part of the process I suppose
@@fiona7589 I can’t even imagine playing the violin.... I‘m just glad the keys stay in place and I find them and mind you I have headphones 🎧 . 😂😂😂
Definitely, it was indeed very relatable and helpful. THANK YOU SO MUCH TwoSet. Things like these keeps us going 🥰
Not a musician - but all of us who have to "perform" feel this, not the neurological stuff but the extreme stress of not being able to perform or perform well. Every profession (I teach and research uni) has the stress, anxiety, "that was a crap performance" and "I won't be able to do it". Have some sort of long-term Covid illness and I'm sweating, can't sleep, panic attacks: I won't be able to do it, I won't be able to do it... So. Big hug, many encouraging words to all who have to perform. We will be OK (I hope).
eddy is so brave for opening up about what he experienced. it's so important to talk about these kinds of things especially mental illnesses that aren't that common.
As a nurse I need to THANK you guys for bringing this topic up to your community.
Mental health is not a joke, and it is not something to be ashamed of.
Take care of yourselves first, YOU are the most important ones in your life.
Nurse case manager here. My calls are getting heavy on the mental health help now that everyone lost their jobs and are spiraling. Not enough BH providers and you can't snap your fingers and create psychiatrists out of thin air. There's a lot of training in that profession. The wait time for a therapist is anywhere from 6 weeks to 3 months.
It’s definitely not easy. For me, at the beginning as a little kid everything was exciting. And with education it was less and less exciting and something to look forward doing. I kept playing because I knew I still wanted and couldn’t stop. But at this time classical music rep and music school were overwhelming. There was absolutely no joy in that or creating music. If it wasn’t perfect it wasn’t worth it. Anyway ended up music education with graduating from high school. And then participated in orchestral workshops for few years. But the performance anxiety was always there& after performance I was always sure that it all went wrong (even that it didn’t) I hated performance .And here I want to thank you - Brett and Eddy, because for the first time in forever (since December). I actually can listen to classical music again, and want to! You guys made me love it again and enjoy it like never before. Not only listening but talking about it, watching performances, observing technique, watching all TwoSet videos ✨✨ no one tells these things as a little kid at school that’s true..and I returned to playing violin, never before it was such joy as it is now to look forward to practice! I’m very grateful for you, and your channel. Brett and Eddy thank you so much ✨
Sending love and hugs from Texas. Just remember to always play for yourself. Even when you are performing, don't think about the people, is just you and your violin, and play for yourself.
I can imagine the anxiety performing in an orchestra and split second timing to play as one body.
Happy for you
This is what I feel as a violinist
@Andrew Kristensen What The Heck?
They're so caring about us🥺 if you guys ever feel troubled, you can share it with us too! Take care guys!
I used to play violin but after suffering major depression and borderline personality disorder I lost touch with music and stopped playing for 6years....I’m on the road to recovery and have recently picked up my violin and started playing again
Dude this happened to me as well, after some major accident I was diagnosed of MDD and some other things too, and I stopped playing piano for five years. I just couldn’t touch it. I’d started crying if I hear it. I love piano so dearly but couldn’t go near it. It took me 5 years to slowly recover and recently I’m finally getting back on track again.
Those are serious diagnoses. I suffered from type 1 bipolar disorder, my life turned to ash. Thank God I’ve been stable on medication for over 10 years 🙏❤️ I used to play piano but it was forced on me. Maybe I’ll pick it up again one day. Praying you’re well and at peace!
It's happening to me tooo. Maybe it's because I'm quite a perfectionistic and anxious person. I had played piano for 5-6 years, and I have stopped it for 4 years. Recently I am trying to go through my ED. I am recovering from my ED, and I'm starting to want to go back to play piano. Back in the days, I played piano while I was crying. In that moment, I feel like I should practice, but I made some mistakes. Then I blamed myself, and thinking I am not good enough. Eventually, I stopped playing piano. It's kinda sad.
i realized they’re gradually opening up to us(e.g. their childhood playing videos) and i feel closer to them. this video too, thank you for sharing your views, brett & eddy! this video must not have been an ‘easy’ video to film, but im genuinely touched you decided to share these sides of you guys. ❤️
for anyone who needs to see this... you are kind, talented, funny, smart, amazing... that is MORE than enough. keep smiling, we're nearly there! ❤️🥰
Thank you. This comment is really what I need at the moment
Thank you
nearly where?
@@dany-pj9mw nearly out of this whole pandemic situation. there's a light at the end of the tunnel and things will get moving again :)
also, if you do not have any qualities mentioned above, you are good in some way. For example, youre looking at a two set video, or maybe you respect other people
Although nobody is going to care of even read this but I just wanted to talk about my experience with mental health:
So I’m only 18 and have never been diagnosed with anything or even reached out to get help. I‘ve been playing violin for 13 years now and I started to realize that my performance anxiety is getting worse with getting older. I think it has something to do with caring a lot more when you’re older and just overthinking stuff instead of just enjoying the moment like I used to as a kid. The anxiety has gotten to the point that I get shaky bow as soon as my teacher says “just play this piece. I wanna see if you can get through everything” or something like that. I get nervous as soon as my playing counts as a performance and that really bothers me. I can’t even play in front of my family or even in an orchestra without getting anxious. I don’t really know how to fix it but I’ve lived with it and I’m trying to accept it.
My thing with depression is a long story. I’ve always kinda struggled with depression but never told anyone other than joking about it with friends. Now I have gone deep into it like suicidal thoughts and cutting myself. But I got out of that and maybe playing violin even helped... i don’t really know how I got out of that situation to be honest. But depression can’t be cured... at least not that easily. I still struggle every day with finding joy in life. Obviously I have good day where I’m genuinely happy and enjoy life, but most days I don’t wanna get out of bed or do anything. I start overthinking about things I don’t have to worry about like the meaning of life, what happens when I die, what if I am one of those people that die young... I am a very pessimistic person and I’ve learned to live with that but what can I say... I’m only 18 and i have my whole life in front of me.
Now I recently took some precautions to prevent that I fall into a deep whole of depression again. I’ve tried working out or beginning a diet multiple times and never had the motivation to. Finish so I always quit after a few days. I started working out 9 days ago and I really do hope that I keep doing it. I think working out can boost up your mentality so much and even though I still hate working out, I always feel better afterwards, because I achieved something that day and I have something I can be proud of. I think the spiral of depression or even self loathing starts with being unhappy with your appearance, then getting sad, getting depressed, eating worse, not moving a lot, no motivation to do anything, getting fatter, and the spiral just keeps going down and every day you’re more unhappy with yourself.
Now I have lived like this for all my teenage years, I’ve gotten bullied because of it and I am finally at a point in life where I decided that I don’t wanna life like this. Life is to short to sleep half of the day and just watch Netflix the other half of the day. I’m 18 and should have the time of my life; instead I’m wasting it. That’s why I wanna change.
Okay if anyone read this... thanks for caring, because nobody in my life cares. Writing this down really felt refreshing and I wanna motivate anyone who struggles with mental illnesses to do this. It really helps to get these problems out of your head. I also wanna say thanks you to Brett and Eddy for making this video. I appreciate hearing that I’m not the only one with these problems. It really helped... thank you
Please remember you were not born depressed. You somehow absorbed it. It may be a family pattern that needs to go. I too have been there. I was finished with life at 23 and wanted it to be over. But then I left my parents house and was exposed to more people NOT of like mind. It matters who your circle is. You need to learn / absorb new skills of being from other people. Its how humanity grows and expands by sharing with each other. I don't look at my parents as being wrong. I look at them as people who did not meet the right teacher. I look at them as "unskilled" (as I've heard a Buddhist say). Not their fault. They had a lifetime of programming themselves from their parents etc. I think as we open up and share this will shift people to a happier place. Sending much love and hope for your future. PS ...sometimes you need to cocoon. Be kind to yourself as if you are your own best friend. And maybe the days you don't want to work out you could do. Qi gong. It's gentle. There is one I like by a woman named Mimi on youtube. I like starting my day gentle with myself. 💕
God bless you and keep you :)
Yes :)
Depression is a medical situation, and having depression isn’t your fault. It requires great courage to even type here about your experience and you did it, so you may as well take one more step to seek professional help, maybe from a social worker first! It took me several years to gear up to approach a social worker, and I’m glad that I did seek help - not only to deal with my emotions, but to also learn more about myself and to know that people care about me. No one laughed at me, instead I got a lot of support when some of my really really close friends who know that I talked to social workers. I also understood the importance to communicate with myself, which is something that I barely did before. You’re not weak to seek help, you seek help because you are a courageous human and you need help!
Anyway, you are amazing and you are precious! It’s okay to be fragile, love your fragile self :)
@@another6one well said. All the social workers I work with have been absolutely STELLAR!
Thank you Eddy so much for sharing this. I’m a pediatric neurologist and there are so many misconceptions about conversion disorders or functional neurologic symptom disorder. De-stigmatizing mental health issues is so important.
For everyone else, FND (or conversion disorders) should only be diagnosed by a trained neurologist to ensure that organic pathologies are not the cause of someone’s symptoms.
Ling Ling only practised 39 hours, 36 minutes and 26 seconds today.
He took the time to rest and watch this video for the other 23 minutes 34 seconds.
If Ling Ling can take a rest, so can you.
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Its so incredibly apt that the background music for this video is rachmaninoffs piano concerto 2 - rach himself was suffering from serious clinical depression after criticism for his 1st symphony. He underwent a lengthy period of therapy and returned w the 2nd piano concerto, which was a huge success, marking the end of his depression. The concerto was dedicated to the physician who helped him overcome his depression.
I really like the story behind every music piece like this
As a Psychology teacher, your personal experiences shared with us may lead to more people opening up about their anxiety. I have students who go through performance anxiety too (tests and exams) and similar thoughts are racing through their heads. It does become a cycle which they feel they are helpless to break out of. Thank you for sharing!
It was very hard for me to tell my friends that I had mental illnesses and that I was seeing a therapist, but they accepted me for having mental illnesses and have been supporting me and that just relieved all my anxiety and they just gave me a big hug saying that we’re gonna be here every step of the way.
Eddy should definitely look into guest speaking at different music universities to talk about mental health. He's so good at expressing his thoughts in a relatable way.
as someone with severe anxiety and quit violin for half a year because of it, thank you for making this video. this is super important to talk about
The fact that i could relate to Eddy and the wheelchair, I'm a ballet dancer and there was one time that my body literally froze, i couldn't move properly for two months because i pushed trough the pain
I feel like dancers, esp ballet dancers, and musicians share so many experiences- I definitely relate to trying to initially push through pain and ending up way worse off and getting a lot more injuries as a result.
Hope you are doing everything well now, sincerely.
@@mayaosaka4076 yeah and also sports like gymnastics etc, and probs stuff like art and drama as well, altho less of the physical pain with the last two
As a fellow creative, Brisbane dweller and sufferer of chronic mental illness - THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO! Extra props must go to you for speaking up about this as men, given the stigma that unfortunately still exists where “men should be tough”. To that I say, “thank you for your vulnerability, consideration and desire to potentially help others.” Now THAT is strength!
Very well said!
A teacher of mine used to say:
“It’s okay to feel what you’re feeling, otherwise you would be feeling something else.”
I think that’s one important thing to always remember, and a wonderful thing to share when someone opens up to you about their struggles. It has been six years since I first heard that saying and ever since then it’s a gentle reminder in the back of my mind, which makes it easier to deal with all the (psychological) struggles.
Hooray to that teacher!!
Beautiful!
I don’t know about you guys, but I REALLY think that Twoset should start a podcast
They already have TSA and youtube, im afraid it could overwhelm them
@Yvonne Han Brett has a separate yt channel called “Bretty Bang” (i think) and he does podcasts there lol
Breddy Bang is made by a fan, not Brett. BrettyBang is a podcast, he hasn’t done it for years.it was interviews of well-known musicians performing withSydneySymphny.
I could listen for hours straight you guys talking about anything, there is no such thing as "long video" when it face important problems like mental health. This needs to be spoken everywhere of, you're amazing for getting it out💖💪🏻. From my metalhead heart i thank you boys✌🏻
Edit. Thank you all for all the 👍🏻, share this with everyone you know
hello fellow metalhead
I'm not even a musician, but if my roommate aren't sleeping, I'd cry out so hard😭. Though not in the music field, I understand the pressure to be perfect, and the stress and anxious come along. Thank brett and eddy let me know it's okay to be nervous. In the moment they comforted, I just broke into tears.😢
Honestly, the term depression is misused so many times that I feel people who are really suffering can't get other people to take them seriously and their voice gets suppressed in a way. Thank you TwoSet for reminding us to open up and share our problems and seek help whenever needed.
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I do feel depressed for real after seeing self promotional comments though.
Kinda. But also not really. While people are certainly getting desensitised to the term depression, due to jokes and it being thrown around, that's not the whole story. There's also still a huge stigma/taboo on mental disorders (comments like "you're not depressed, just man up"), so some people that are probably actually depressed don't get help because people want to avoid it altogether. On top of that, I feel like that a lot of people misunderstand the meaning of depression, and especially the difference between depressive episodes and Major Depression Disorder, which certainly doesn't help
@@thingiezz depression is probably the most misunderstood mental problem out there. So many people will think that a person is not depresses because that person just laughed at a joke and little things like this. What many people fail to understand is that depression is when you're overall mood is down for a long ass time, you can still laugh and smile sometimes, but after that you're right back to feeling worthless. When talking to people with depression, I heard many times that they were wondering even if they deserve to laugh when laughing or deserve something nice done to them when someone does something nice to them. It also does not help that people who pretend to understand depression write on social media how to help someone go through depression, even though it is different for everyone. Like I saw this many times when people write, don't ask them if they have suicidal thoughts. And to that, why not? If they open up to you that they have suicidal thoughts, that is the first step of helping someone go through depression. I don't have problem with people not understanding depression but people who pretend they do and write stupid things that other people share and like just gets me on my nerves
i totally agree, there is SO much mental illness in my family so i tell people off for claiming they're depressed when they are clearly seeking attention and they say "how would you know?" hmmm maybe having a bipolar parent and a parent with depression gave me some clue as to what it means to be depressed.
As a classical musician with depression, anxiety, OCD and PTSD, this video is extremely important. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY talks about this in regards to classical music. I am so glad to see someone with a reach as big as Twoset’s making a video about this. I think a lot of people think that classical musicians are immune to mental illness, and that is not only untrue but extremely harmful to the community. Thanks two set.
It's not musicians alone. Mental health is not on the agenda for most of eduction. this should change.
Because too much has been normalized, with normal the new crazy. This world is doomed. Everyone will be depressed before long.
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And they say its just the generation thats at fault
@@seraphywang4638 nah, everyone has a hand in it.
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Exactly.
thats how and why i feel the current education has really failed recent generations. while technology is blasting in evolution, we've still had the same education system for longer than anyone can remember. it's despicable
I was close to tears when I saw how much Eddy struggles with his emotions when he talks about this bad phase. I feel taken back to my youth when I studied violin and it got worse with stage fright from performance to performance. I played competitions and the pressure was unbearable. Among fellow students, these fears were not an issue and that made it worse.
I could play the most beautiful notes at home, and on stage I was overcome by this horrible feeling that I might get nervous and not deliver what I was capable of.
The sad end: I gave up my studies and didn't play, let alone practice, for decades.
Five years ago, the violin and my passion for music somehow called me back and I had to start all over again, so to speak. Today I love to practice and work on my technique and tone, intonation.Since I didn't become a professional, I have less stress these days and tell myself I want to share my joy with the people at a concert. Most of the time it works!:)
Thank you for your wonderful videos!
Silvi
The video hasn’t started, but I’m already crying. Twoset is honestly one of the biggest parts of my life and I don’t think I would be here without them. I’m so glad they spoke about mental health because mine has just been deteriorating recently 🥺🥺💖💖✨
Sorry you’re feeling low. Reach out to someone and try to talk about how you’re feeling. Mental health is best dealt with quickly before it becomes harder to see how you can cope with your feelings. There’s no shame in those feelings. Good luck :)
Hey, I'm here if you need to talk.
I've found that talking about it helps
Also, hope you find the medical attention you need. ❤️
take care of yourself. Make a list of things that you can do that lift your mood. Reach out to one person today, and share your struggles, if you can. Write out your thoughts in a journal. Take a walk outside to get some light and Vitamin D. Watch TwoSet videos!
I wish you all the best. Hopefully you can find a way to feel better.
*sends virtual hug
im clinically severely depressed, and when brett and eddy talked about talking- that hit. a big problem with me is i dont know how to let my support system be my support system. so if you're so stressed every day or you just wake up and have no goals, no will, and just feel empty: you are not alone. reaching out is so hard, and it is so okay to take reaching out one day at a time. it's not your fault that the classical music industry doesn't equip you with the tools you need, it is okay if you came unassembled: you are not broken. it takes energy to exist, it's exhausting to be alive, and you are already succeeding. you can ride that success, and the more you succeed, the less energy it will take to exist. you are already succeeding.
thank you for this message
I know how this feels.
Thank you for writing this, I really appreciate such kind and understanding words and I hope you are having a good day/night :)
Thank you 😢😢
You are very brave to share this. And I'm sure many people feel the same as you do. Keep moving forward, your doing great 👍🏻❤
I'm not a musician but I'm a classical dancer and I've been training since the past 12 years. I could totally relate to all the things you guys pointed out... I was clinically diagnosed with depression when I was 13 due to family issues because of which I lost all motivation to dance and I left dance for 3 years because I was so emotionally unstable. I barely had anyone to listen to me. I felt empty without dance in my life. When I rejoined I noticed 80% of my dancer friends had left dance class... Our schools and our performing arts classes always emphasize on being "that perfect student" or "the execution must be perfect" but we are never told what hurdles lie in the pursuit of perfection and how to deal with them... Thanks guys for sharing your thoughts and experiences. We REALLY need to talk more about mental health as humans and performers.
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Thank you!! Dancers mental health isn’t nearly spoken enough about either. The constant almost “race” to perfection is so tiring and straining yet people don’t focus on it because they themselves are too focused on their own “journey to perfection”
@@pearl3600 absolutely! I think with practice and experience, anyone can try to pursue perfection in their artforms. But to sacrifice your mental health for it is not worth it. Like I can't practice if I'm feeling like sh-eeeet music. In today's day and age, everyone's running a rat race be it students or adults and pressure from school/work hinders in our motivation to even practice sometimes...
I was a university burnout too... after my final recital I couldn’t touch my violin. I tried playing in the community orchestra just so I didn’t completely lose my chops but I was miserable even doing that and eventually just completely put it down. I play every once in a while and my heart breaks thinking about how good I was and how I will probably never get that back. I hope I can find a way to love the violin again because I sure do miss it sometimes. It used to be my safe place and my main way of expressing myself. I feel like I have lost a huge part of my identity. Thank you for talking about this. I also wish I had a mental health professional to help me through my college days because they were brutal and before college I was so full of passion for music. College crushed it out of me...
Same- I went to music school as an older student but they just piled on so much, I got so burned out I just stopped touching music. I’m trying to engage with it now it a sustainable way. Wish music schools were formatted differently so it could be more sustainable.
Ngl, this is a very important topic to discuss. As a person who is studying music currently I face stress and anxiety a lot. And my self esteem easily goes down after seeing someone else play. So it's really important to take care of your guys' mental health. Take care of yourself remember that always! Take a break if you need, it's OKAY!
So truee just wanna say even if someone else is better at something than you they can't do what you do so don't feel small! I also get anxious when I see someone else singing better than me but I always remind myself that they don't have the same voice as me so they can't do what I do even if they're better I can improve myself❤️
@@shreyachekkala3434 yeahh I'm working on it! Everytime the voices in my head is saying "oh you're not good enough, you should've started younger" I'll always say to myself you're good enough, don't worry you'll get it someday just focus, and it instantly goes away! I'm sure we all can get through it one day, just gotta believe in ourselves right?
@@IDontKnow-ps2qi yesss and I don't think it matters if you start when you were younger or something because at the end your passion and hardwork is all that gets you forward right