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Rory Jennings, Adebayo Akinfenwa, and Marva Kreel join Smithy and Joe this week on Saturday Social. They debate the hot topics across the Premier League and have to say whether they’re true or false. Was Didier Drogba a better striker than Luis Suarez, are Liverpool City’s closest title rivals and who has a greater Premier League legacy Mourinho or Klopp?
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Liverpool fan here, and it's obviously Mourinho.
Mourinho came in and did something pretty unbelievable in taking on Ferguson and Wenger and wiping the floor with them for a couple of seasons, then coming back after success abroad and winning it again. You don't have to denigrate Klopp and his legacy of finally winning Liverpool a PL, winning them a CL, 103 out of 105 points over 2 seasons (i.e. having one of the country's greatest ever teams for 18 months) ... all while taking on the might of Guardiola's oil juggernaut ... in order to give Mourinho his due.
Mourinho is only definitively behind Pep and Fergie in the PL greatest ever list.
Facts
mourinho has the greater legacy, its not just the trophies but the impact and story of his reign. But Klopp is a premier league great too imo
And rory made a killer argument. Mourinho dominated in the mid 2000s came back a decade later in a completely different PL with totally new players and managers and he still did the double in 2015 and also he gave united a European trophy which actually they don't have that many
@@Chimera_zathat’s why klopp flopped with dortmund and bottled it 😂 meanwhile Jose did his bits at porto with lower budget back to back European cups & leagues came to prem and dominated klopp couldn’t do that 😂 then went to inter and won the only Italian treble with an aging squad 😂 come on then came back to England and won league and cup double now at Roma won their first European silverware in decades got cheated out on europa league final last year with bad refereeing also won 3 cups with united including a European trophy which klopp could never do because he’s being caressed like a little baby at Liverpool 😂
@@Blue_G707 Premier league legacy*
A lot of your good points don't matter there
@@Blue_G707since when is wining the Bundesliga over perennial winners bayern a bottle job? Your just chatting sht
The transfers of DARWIN NUÑEZ - £85.36M (BENFICA, 2022) VIRGIL VAN DIJK - £75M (SOUTHAMPTON, 2018) ALISSON BECKER - £65M (AS ROMA, 2018) DOMINIK SZOBOSZLAI - £60M (RB LEIPZIG, 2023) NABY KEITA - £52.75M (RB LEIPZIG, 2018) LUIS DIAZ - £50M (FC PORTO, 2021)
DIOGO JOTA - £45M (WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS, 2020) come out at £433.11 million for 7 players so I guess you could be a little bit off the mark.
It’s mourinho but Klopp had arguably one of the best teams ever for about 18 months. 103 points out of 105 at one point. Won the title earlier than any team ever (in terms of game week) and later than any team ever (in terms of calendar year) which is a strange record to hold lol but they were unstoppable for a time.
Agreed, unfortunate for klopp that he has to go against this city reign.
Yea, but only one title. That will always come up against him in this debate, regardless of who they had to compete against
One title… nothing on Jose’s titles and unbeaten record
But only one Premier League. He has to win another before being compared imo.
One of the best teams ever? It was a good team. Probably up there with the City team of 11/12. But not one of the best ever. They had Henderson and Wijnaldum in midfield haha.
Hate to say it…but it’s Mourinho. Klopp has the same number of titles as Claudio Ranieri
As if Mourinho can end City's dominance
Thats an extremely limited way to look at someone's managerial record when they have won every trophy available to a club side in the last 4-5 years lol.
@@mattvanemden7573 mourinho did that and more. Won the treble with Inter milan and dominated europe back to back with porto
@@mattvanemden7573”premier league legacy” is the question mate
@@eh9296 Won the treble
As a Liverpool fan, I have to be honest and say it has to be Mourinho. The man won three PL Titles across two stints and that's what gives him the edge. But don't get me wrong, its a close battle. Both he and Klopp have similar stories in that they both took average teams and turned them into Champions and won multiple trophies. Klopp having won virtually everything makes this debate a lot tighter than it otherwise would be. Klopp is an absolute Legend and lets not forget there is still time for him to win more.
Mourinho no question
Mourinho failed to break City's dominance while Klopp succeeded, smashed him every time when he was at Real, United, Spurs.
@@eh9296false
@@eh9296He didn’t fail to beat United at their pomp though
I want to back Klopp here but you can’t argue with what Mourinho has done
@@sy.cc5 innit
Mourinho created a team that lasted 13 years on the platform of elites, and it was in his image that they dominated despite it being under several managers. For example, if you watched the team that won the 2012 UCL, it was like Mourinho was on the touch-line directing play.
Facts
That’s a great call. The spine of that team he built stayed for 10 years
Lets not forget Chelseas mourinho broke Arsenal and man uniteds dominance.
Pep's City is much better than those two teams
@@eh9296 no it's not
@@eh9296ur obviously a recent football fan. That chelsea team and united team was playing in a harder league.
@@eh9296why are you everywhere in this comment section glazing Klopp?
arsenal never had a dominance over pl
Var is not the issue.
Its literally still the officials.
We all know for a fact more than likely officials bet on the matches through friends/families.
They do it in boxing, nba, nfl so idk why we refuse to believe that the referees are still the issue as they always have been.
you didn't contribute to the debate at all. Var is the issue full stop.
@@sweenbean18 var is not the issue at all lmao.
It's like you guys complain about whatever you please.
So when England scored that goal against Germany for instance that went over the line and wasn't awarded do we blame the ref or the lack of var?
Other sports use var very well it's just this league.
@@Nate-wh7or They even acknowledged that its the officials making the wrong calls with the "8 officials" comment yet still blame the tech 😂
They forget the VAR official only interjects when officials on the pitch have missed something or got something wrong to begin with, as annoying as it may be when a toe or shoulder is given offside. Yet whether on the pitch or in the VAR room, they're always protected when making the wrong calls week in week out.
Var is obviously a problem when it keeps giving incorrect decisions but we can't go back because now the refs never get anything right. When refs try making a decision regardless of how small and unimportant, they always get it wrong
How is better officials going to bring back the feeling that you get when you score a goal?
Jose 3 times Klopp 1 time
Respect respect respect
Jose could outspent the opposition. Klopp can't.
@@bx1896Liverpool made a 100 million bid for Caicedo lol
@@bx1896I guess Klopp is better than Pep then
Ah yess because Klopp didn't fork out big for Alisson and VVD Keita and Fabinho and others lol@@bx1896
@@mezzala1014 same level
Jose. Easy decision for me. You just have to look at the impact Jose had had on the English game. I put Pep, Ferguson, Jose and Wenger is a category of managers that have had the greatest impact.
Sorry but Ferguson is in his own tier ahead of the others and it pains me to admit that
@@Irish-Gael-sg4lvnot ahead of Pep
mourinho did what now?? got an unlimited transfer fund and played fantasy football???
@@Mcbikey24lol good joke
@@ishaanmurarka9082 yes fantasy football, when you can buy all the top players you like and buy the league, are you going to deny that?? klopp won the bundeslga with dortmund back to back, so dont need to hear what he did with porto, you probably started supporting chelsea when they got money now. what did he do with united and spurs??? get sacked?? keep your opiniong you're welcome to it.
In the premier League Klopp is a good manager, a chaser with few trophies. Mourinho is a Winner
The headlines, the fuse, the entertainment, the karma and backlash from Jose and Trophies to back it up. Jose is up the ahead of Klopp as EPL greatest manger. no cap.
Klopp managed to elevate Liverpool from their years of misery. Jose elevated the entire EPL
Absolute state of this question. Jose has unquestionably achieved more rhan Klopp
Argh yes as with the funds Jose has had Klopp could never achieve with same spending power 🤔
So using that logic Ranieri must be the greatest premier league manager ever?@@Young1Fendy
@@parmaman8551ranieris title win is more impressive than any of mourinhos.....
@@IceClawz.and any of klopps then😂😂
Jose holds the record for 15 GOALS CONCEDED
There’s a reason why it hasn’t been beaten yet
@@Young1FendyKlopp has spent 1b
Jose the multiple title winner
How many did he win with Tottenham?
@@bx1896could Klop win with spurs hell nah
@@ergertkurtaj8665 he took over Liverpool without players like Kane, Son etc.
Mourinho is no longer an elite manager.
By your logic Jerzy Dudek has a greater European legacy than Buffon
Mourinho never had to face a pep super team in the prem
Akinfenwa is such a waffler man 😂😂
If you actually listen to him and not lose focus, you'll understand he doesn't waffle. Maybe you need to have enough patience to listen to what others want to say. There are an abundance of impatient listeners already, watch the video again, you'll get it.
@@VishwadeepShindenah he’s a waffler
Mourinho won it 3 times and Klopp won it once! If you ask me, that's end of discussion! What Klopp has done beating Guardiola by being basically perfect and his points tally in other seasons is extremely impressive, but Mourinho still edges it!
Klopp got 97 points which is more than Mourinho ever got for Chelsea yet still didn’t win the league. That’s why it’s not fair to compare league titles won.
Klopp could have easily won 3 times, not to mention his team was never as well funded as mourinho’s title winning teams
@@mrlalalaelmo7454 Coulda Woulda Shoulda, we can't bring that into it mate!
Mourinho never won a UCL with Chelsea though and Klopp has with Liverpool. That UCL gotta be worth a league title or two itself. Also taking into Mourinhos not so successful stints at United and Tottenham, it’s very close.
By your silly logic: Roberto Di Mateo has a greater European legacy than Arsene Wenger because he won a UCL
The main problem with VAR is taking away the ability to just celebrate goals
(They should remove it for offsides)
By the same logic, if Ferguson's United didn't exist in 2006-09 Mourinho might have won 5 in a row.
Klopp's legacy is that he was the best of the rest during Pep's era. Mourinho was THE man during his first stint in the PL.
Mourinho was well funded, he can get any player he wants. That is the difference with Klopp.
@@mehmetsheza1651 I don't know why people still believe this nonsense that Klopp isn't funded by his owners, forgetting that Klopp prefers training players over signing them. Klopp has never been a checkbook manager. If he were, he would have gone to a rich club like Madrid with unlimited resources. He chose Liverpool because he believes in FSG's philosophy of buying young and developing them. This is why he extended his contract not once, but twice with Liverpool. No one would extend their contract in a company if they feel their hands are tied.
When Rodgers was sacked, two managers were favorites to be Liverpool manager: Klopp and Ancelotti. FSG chose Klopp over Ancelotti because Ancelotti told them Liverpool needed a new spine to be able to perform with the current squad. Klopp, on the other hand, said he was comfortable working with the current squad. This is why, in January, which was Klopp's first transfer window since he came mid-season, Klopp never bought a new player.
@@mehmetsheza1651 Not just that but he was up against a City team that may very well be proved to have been illegal
@@sebenfc1982 ''I would like to see us take a few more risks in the market. I'll say that much.''
-- Klopp, last year
I feel like on the VAR question a lot of the issues with the delays would be resolved if say, much like tennis, each team would get a couple of challenges per game to challenge the on field decision.
Jose, and I hate to say it, but its definately Jose, Respect!
Gerrard could do everything Lampard could do, Lampard can't do everything Gerrard does
Gerrard was a beast. I hate that we have to base players on what they've won sometimes when really, we should respect their individual talent.
Gerrard was the complete midfielder who could play any role in the middle and excel, and that's exactly what he did.
Lampard was a glorified attacking mid/centre forward who had a multitude of good defensive mids covering him, along with some of the best forwards to supply. His job was easier.
When Lampard played for England, you could see his flaws when playing deeper.
Mourinhos Chelsea legacy is incredible, a shame that his time at United and Tottenham probably hurts how people look at him. Wish he never took those jobs
He won a europa with utd and did a good job also did decent at spurs and that final he got them to… I guess we’ll never know
People forget this when saying he's better than klopp
It's the same thing as city, when rules don't apply and you outspend all other teams 10fold then it's not respected. It's like a guy on steroids outfitting ordinary competitors, yeah surprise surprise he can lift but its not impressive
Joes smile when Marvin was speaking was incredibly cute, charming man
To the better team part of Lampard gerrard and the assists gerrard had Owen a ballon dor winner, Torres in his prime, Suarez the 3rd best player of generation arguably he wasn’t always playing with Benteke
why is this a debate, Moutinho has won more premier leagues than Klopp, I hate to say that as a Liverpool fan, but it is true, this is not a contest. Now, if we are talking europe though, it's a bit closer, but it's still Mourinho, he won 2 Champions Leagues.
Mourinho wins on both by a long shot
On the European stage, it's not even close. Mourinho won a treble with Inter.
It’s quite funny when they use Lampards goals and assist forgetting he had a whole 3 season head start. It’s funny when you think about it because despite having that 3 year head start Gerrard wasn’t majorly far behind in goals and assists at the end of their careers. Gerrard is and was always the better midfielder.
Playing more years is a positive. Longevity is a talent.
Gerard was miles behind when it came to goals haha man was dusty in his last year or so was getting pity minutes no chance if he had another 3 seasons he’d catch up. Lamps had like 5, 20 goal seasons I swear
@@rbstickymicky66yeah try to go tackle people by your box and have tons of goals at the same time and tell me how easy is that Sherlock😂😂😂
@@rbstickymicky66according to the PL Website Lampard scored 57 goals more, that may seem like a lot but that’s 19 goals over 3 seasons which proves my point that Lampard starting his career before Gerrard gave him that advantage in the stats. No, he wasn’t dusty Brendan Rodgers played him in a more defensive position/role and at the same time was trying to get him out the team which evidently happened. Lampard majority of the time played in his best position. Gerrard was needed for many different roles and positions and of that he succeeded. Lampard wouldn’t have been able to do that. Will say though either way we were blessed to have seen these players.
@@rbstickymicky66 Gerrard played RB for an entire season. Then defensive midfield. And in contrast to what Rory said he scored most of his goals when he played in the great Benitez team. Had he played with that level of players for longer he'd have scored more.
I don't see Liverpool pushing City, although they could very well end up 2nd. City just seem to hit a patch of form the 2nd half of seasons that I dont think many squads can match at the moment, plus expect them to get far in Europa League, that Thursday night football is a pain.
Whilst I agree with Rory on why Arsenal didn't win the league being games they threw away, you cant deny someone like Ivan Toney would be an upgrade on Jesus, whilst still allowing arsenal to play the way they do with Martinelli/Saka/Trossard/Odegaard. He definitely cant with Chelsea's record against them 😂
I'm sure I've seen Rory talk down Arsenal's "invincible" season so I respect the shamelessness of using it here whilst ignoring he had unlimited budget & still ended up getting the boot. Where were they in the league when he was sacked the second time round?
That 2nd place is the biggest myth in football. He signed a lot of those players and would have only won 1 out of the last 10 EPL's with that point tally & its on GD to Leicester. Klopps 'legacy' is still to be determined, if he only wins one league title, it will always be that he only managed the one, If he manages to rebuild this Liverpool side and win it again, it'll be that. Then its if they sustain it like city have in recent years.
I love this debates 😂 their the best
Klopp doesn't have a better premier league legacy than Claudio Ranieri
yeah because Ranieri got 90+ points 3 times didn't he
@@matthewbanton7077 When did Klopp win the PL with a team that should have been battling relegation? Oh yeah he didn't. Guy got bullied out of Germany by Bayern and has won 1 PL in a stupid amount of years with the best ever Liverpool team of all time according to their fans.
@@matthewbanton7077 Yeah, because Klopp won a title with a relegation team...Nobody cares about your point totals when you finish 2nd mate, go tell that to the kids who are bottlers
@@kenrahhubchannel when we're talking legacy, they do matter. missing out by a point to the greatest Prem team of all time twice is not something that will be forgotten.
@@kisovalley7234 if the circumstances of the title come into play, then we should surely also mention that Klopp took Liverpool from mid-table mediocrity to the best team on the planet?
Mourinho has had a huge influence on the EPL. From the beginning at Chelsea, the 3rd title on his return, his media presence, his time at Utd and Tottenham - He's part of the furniture at this point and he'll likely be back again.
I don't care about either Liverpool or Chelsea but I think it's Mourinho without a doubt. Mourinho is probably number four after Arsene Wenger, Pep Guardiola and Alex Ferguson. been watching PL since it started in the early 90's. So I can't talk about anything earlier than that.
About Rory saying arsenal have players who'll score 8-10 goals instead of 1 out and out striker .. man city did it without a striker .. so that's a good shout
This is a stupid question! Mourinho built boys to MEN. His legacy and imprint in that team carried on for years even after he was sacked the first time. The mentality he installed in that team carried the managers that came after him.
Surprised no one mentioned his unbeaten home record and only conceding less than 9 goals the whole season.
He also won everything in England in his first three seasons 🤷🏻♂️
Conceded 15 goals. Great record though. I don't think it will ever be beaten.
Some years it’s just not your year. Today, we were missing Odegaard, Partey, White, Timber, Jesus and ESR. That’s just too many injuries to challenge an awesome Man City.
One huge positive I’d say is two years ago if we had that many injuries, we wouldn’t have as strong a xi as we did today.
That "Special One" press conference alone is a bigger legacy than Klopp's entire career😅
I'm a liverpool fan, klopp may be the best manager in the league right now in terms of man management and player development etc, but as a serial winner, mourinho is one of the greatest managers of all time no debate, klopp hasn't won enough to be in mourinhos category
Something people seem to forget that legacies can also be tarnished. Klopp's lowest low in charge of Liverpool was finishing 5th(?), Jose has absolutely plummeted 2+ other clubs in the league. Hes gotten sacked what, 3 times? His legacy takes a hit with these events which imo makes it more of a close call than most think.
Great point there. Jose, whom i absolutely admired even as a liverpool fan, kinda felt sorry for him towards the bitter end of his Premier league days.
Lol what clubs did Jose "absolutely plummet"? He made Chelsea into a big club so obviously not them. Utd he took to their best league finish in the last 10 years so not them. Spurs have always been a joke club so they don't really count. As far as getting sacked.. Spurs sacked him right before a cup final, that's a reflection of them not Jose. Utd have been an absolute joke since Fergie so that doesn't mean much. Chelsea he was the victim of his own success. Turned them into a big club winning trophies every year so the expectations changed, Roman wanted success every year and sacked anyone who didn't get it. Klopp meanwhile had the good fortune of landing at Liverpool, a loser club who had no expectations so he was afforded the time to build the team how he wanted. Klopp's first 2 full seasons Liverpool finished 4th and 4th, do you honestly think he would have lasted under Roman with those finishes? This is a guy who sacked Ancelotti for finishing 2nd literally 1 year after winning the EPL and FA cup double. So yeah, sacking and what not doesn't mean much.
I couldn't think you could make me love Akinfenwa even more 😂
he’s talking crap 😂
Winning trophies with Liverpool is not equal to winning it with Chelsea (especially when Mourinho was there), how many Chelsea managers have won major trophies? Ancelotti won the PL and FA Cup, Di Matteo won the CL(!) and FA Cup, Benitez won the EL, Conte won the PL and FA Cup, Sarri won the EL, Tuchel won the CL, etc. Sure Mourinho is the best manager Chelsea have had in the modern era but it's not just a case of 3x PL vs 1x PL, context matters.
And who started that? Who instilled that winning mentality in the players? Chelsea hadn't won a title for 50 years before Mourinho. First season 95 points, 15 goals conceded, 1 loss, retained the title, Cup double in the third season. Champions League semis in like all seasons. Then came back 10 years later and won the title in a different era. He's also the best post Fergie United manager. That club is broken. Coming 2nd with them and winning the Europa is as good as it gets with them.
@@Anon97123tell me how many prems mourinho would have won if he had to face peps super team
Both Rory and Adebayo agreeing on the var just shows how corrupt it is!
Klopp got more performance from a smaller budget, he was more impressive and only lost titles to an insane City team.
But end of the day it's about titles and Jose won more.
Obviously Jose, klopps only won one title😭
if not for Pep city, Klopp should have 3.
91 and 97 points runner up
@@poolfanswanna a trophy for coming second now 😂🤣🤣
@@Me-gs3uu can your team finish 90 just 1 behind Man City this era? 😂
Try harder
A lot of people saying Mourinho won 3 and Klopp won 1, but Klopp has 3 seasons over 92 points… he has done enough to win more, but he’s been up against the greatest side in Prem history. Then you Mix in the potential cheating from city… I reckon Klopps job; with very limited funds, puts him ahead of José.
And btw Chelsea being up against two great teams in Arsenal and United isn’t a good argument; it’s easier to win a league when you have two competitors in and around 80points than one competitor that goes to 95+ points…
And also; Mourinho came back to win a league that was so poor that the next season we saw Leicester win it. Klopp has 3-4 seasons that easily wins the league back then…
Can you ask Drogba vs Aguero (who is the better player), it's a several year long debate i have with my friend and i need someone else to get into it and this feels like a perfect environment for that discussion
Suarez, to me, is THE best 9 of all time. If we remove CR7 out of the equation, as he was RW, ST and LW at times. I rate him above Benz, Lewa, Kane, Zlatan, Shearer, Müller, R9, anyone. Prime Suarez between 2013 and 2018 was unstoppable.
There’s a video on TH-cam of all his Liverpool goals, it’s an absolute insane watch. Banger after banger. About 2 tap ins in total in the red shirt, rest was screamers and solo raids. Not to talk about his Barcelona run, and then to win the league first try with Atletico, when their lord and savour Griezmann went the other way and lost out. 2 golden boots, against Messi and Ronaldo. All the assists. My all time XI? He makes it in, every time.
Better than R9? No chance
@@dogsbollocksgenius9480 by which statistics is R9 peak or entire career better? The stat of thinking back to the good old days? Suarez is close to having as many goals as Ronaldo had games. Add assists and he’s way beyond. Prime Ronaldo was unplayable, but Suarez is better. He just is.
@@olavjorvik94 which statistics? Erm how about in his first season at Barcelona he scored 47 goals in 49 games, how about the two world cups and the ballon d’ors? Yeah Suarez was a great striker, R9 was one of the best footballers of all time, even post knee injury his goal record was insane, name me one thing Suarez done better than R9. Ronaldo was faster, he was a better finisher, he was more powerful, he was more skilful, he had everything, you must be a Liverpool fan or something, the fact you think Suarez had a better career than Ronaldo is genuinely laughable
@@olavjorvik94 you could make a case that he was better than cr7 in parts of that period ok. but not better than pele, van basten or r9. football is more than just scoring. or stats. also different times. when f.e. van basten played in italy scoring over 20 goals in serie a was something unknown. in laliga you had lots of players which scored ton of goals.
R9? What a howler 😂
Why the hell did Arsenal sell Florian then? Proven goal scorer last season.
The lampard and gerrard debate is a good one and i do aggree with ade, im a united fan and we had pogba, his reputation is how poor he was but if you go and look at some off the successful passes he made which should have led to an assist, youll see how his reputation would be looked at now if the woeful players in front of him would have actually finished them
Lampard couldn't run back 35 yards to make a slide tackle then get the ball before an opponent or team mate to then ping a cross field ball 60 yards to a players feet before then making a run back towards the outside of the opponents box.
Obviously mourinho? What??
Klopp done a better job arguably because of what he had compared to Jose but Jose definitely has a better legacy. How many records did he break?
Apparently that 7-0 win is record breaking according to Liverpool fans maybe y its an argument in a first place
Mourinho did so well in getting sacked. How often? 4 times?
@@bx1896all managers get sacked, it’s part and parcel of the job.
@@bx1896 what did he do in those years he was in charge tho?
@@colincolin5696 for Tottenham? Nothing.
if u take out other teams competing then klopps team has been better than mourinhos, he has more seasons with more points it’s just he’s against city and pep arguably the best manager ever. You could say u can only beat what’s infront of u but still i think there’s only a couple mourinho seasons with chelsea that are comparable
I'm as _Blood Red_ as they come, but _Klopp_ still trails _Mourinho's_ EPL legacy. There is, however, less in it than many might think as a couple of single-point losses to _Citeh_ attest.
Wait what?!?! How can it be debated Klopps won a single Premier League 😫
As if Mourinho could win a title during Pep's era
@eh9296 Lol talking as if mourinho didn't it in some mickey mouse era he won it during SAF and wenger era
@@eh9296 he would
@@eh9296 he did in 2012 causing Pep to run off to his mummy 😂
@@eh9296pep bought it not won it u oil fan
Even as a Liverpool fan I would have to say Mourinho.
Problem with Mourinho has been his inability to adapt to the modern style of play in the prem and his toxic behaviour ruining team morale in recent years that I feel has tarnished his overall reputation unfortunately. That's what's led to several sackings.
Klopp will be more fondly remembered through his longevity at a higher level while playing amazing football and having only been denied by a state owned club with 115 charges that have gone unpunished and probably never will be punished. Not based on the Prem though.
So sure ? - Klopp made 3 ucl finals with Liverpool - mouriniho never made one with Chelsea
@connorjames6226 we've got to respect that he's won it with FC Porto, though.
@@connorjames6226 please read the original question, WHO HAS THE BEST PL LEGACY? Nobody talks about CL
"three three on my own three!! " respect josé respect!!😅😂
On first question the lady's answer is rational and thoughtful
If youre going by legacy its klopp hes built a team and won everything. Mourinhos chelsea team was ridiculous which came at a crazy cost, similar to citys a few years back due to inflation. Also if youre talking about prem legacy then hes got to take the spurs & utd into consideration. Mourinho has had a better career as the porto & inter champioms league wins are crazy but just prem im going klopp
And klopp hasn’t spent money 🤣 ?
Klopp has one PL title . ONE !!!! Claudio rainieri has the same , and that was by far a bigger achievement.
It has to be Mou over klopp.
Both pep and klopp will never win the champions league with any portuguese team or italian team.
Jose is GOAT.
You do realize that the team that won the UCL 2012 is actually Mourinho's machine, and did so in Mourinho's image, right?
@@Kronthedon2333 Check Klopp's net spend in 8 years. Its somewhere around 350-400 mil pounds in 8 YEARS. Mourinho spent that much in his early PL winning days. There's a difference. Klopp bought VVD and Alisson with that whopping 142 mil pounds of Coutinho's money.
I think both are as good in terms of PL strictly. But Mourinho is better if you consider he's legacy outside the PL.
@@Kronthedon2333Also don't forget Klopp lost 2 PL titles by a single point. Even with city's billion worth of team. Mourinho didn't had to cope the same against UTd and Arsenal.
All of these great managers, Mourinho, Klopp and Guardiola are amongst the best. But to be honest if you forget this football didn’t exist before the premier league nonsense I rate Brian Clough’s achievements (lets not forget what he did at Derby too)the greatest top division legacy. In 2 years went from also ran second division team to English and then European Champions. And unlike the three mentioned above it wasn’t from a huge financial wealth starting position. Oh and regading Klopp’s legacy let’s not forget that in 2 consecutive seasons he lead a team to 97 and 99 points including at one stage 35 wins in 36 matches. Without the draw in the middle v Man Utd it could have been 36 consecutive wins. Unbelievable!
The question was specifically PL legacy though in fairness. I'd also argue that the PL changed the game so much that comparing to the pre PL era is almost pointless.
I'd agree re Clough though, absolute magic what he did with Forest.
@@rikachu571 Good point I think I lost the plot trying to plug Brian Clough 😀.
Jose no debate.
The impact this man has done in English football was something else that time
MOURINHO NO QUESTION!!!
Pep no question
On PL alone its Mourinho, however when does financial backing and competition play apart? Mourinho had a blank cheque and didnt have the financial cheats that are City to compete with
Just to be able to compete with the juggernaut of Guardiola is impressive enough. Especially at the pointy end of football where margins are so tight already. It’d be like trying to race Bolt over 100m in a pair of crocs
Akins take of mou and Klopp made no sense, yes Chelsea spends money for squads but he completely ignored the fact klopp broke signing records with buying VVD and Allison Chelsea first time round was buying players for 20-35m and made a team out of the spending that only bought in 2 players for Liverpool. Same again in 2012 Chelsea bought 5/6 players at 25-40 mill each and made another team to win multiple leagues. Liverpool are yet to do that since they won the league. Cannot compare mou and klopp cause mou is just head and shoulders above majority coaches (pep, Ferguson and wenger being the only 3 who’ve come close)
I'm seeing persons talking about resources lol. Clearly they are not looking at the actual data.
He should have focused on Jose being sacked 3 times.
😂 clueless chelsea fans
@@ftclips-qu8sh and what does he do in them 3 years? Stuff that only other managers can dream of. His Porto achievements alone proved how tactically superior his is over his peers.
@@dalefrancis9414 I’m going off what I’ve witnessed the last 25 years
Mourinho, EASILY. Don’t even try to say Jurgen Flopp
In regards to Arsenal needing a striker/goal scorer who will show up on the big occasions, just refer to Salah and how he's impacted Liverpool and their success.
Pre VAR the system was to go with the red cartel clubs if there was any 50/50....now with VAR it's made it harder for them to rig games so keep it 🙌
Jose the 🐐
If Mourinho was the one who took over Liverpool in 2016 with financial problems we have he would not have won the league. Klopp built a team that can compete based on his philosophy. The players are not superstars but they are enormous in his system. A good example is the players who have left for greener have failed miserably. What klopp does in Liverpool is moreso a miracle. I hope that one day people will learn to respect him enough
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This is about legacy. Achievements. Not speculation. Mourinho achieved a lot more.
Jose has the greater legacy, but Klopp has had a much harder job. Mourinho never came up against a side as good as Pep's City and had the financial backing of a Russian oligarch
What the reff association needs to do is implement an automated-VAR system that will give objectiv3 decision wherever objectivity applies, eg: ball crossing line or not. With modern tech, it is no doubt, cameras can be installed at appropriate places, and computers calculate whether or not ball has crossed a line, same goes for offside lines.
What have Arsenal shown to convince Rory that they are guaranteed to finish ahead of Liverpool? They have clearly regressed from last season whereas Liverpool have evidently improved. They both have almost identical stats in the league, same points, 1 more goal scored for Liverpool but also 1 more conceded. They also have the better manager. Neither seem complete enough to challenge City in my opinion.
The way arsenal controlled city & held them down.
Your opinion is valid
@@MrMontgomery Liverpool do that every year to City at their home ground aswell, what is your point? It's about overall consistency, not how you perform against City.
If you want to win trophies right now or soon, it's Mourinho(Although he will get sacked in 3 seasons and might lose talents like Salah and KDB)
If you want to rebuild your team in the long term, it's Klopp.
Spot on. I could see Mourinho having won more PL trophies if he was there instead of Klopp. But I don't think Mourinho would have won a league as emphatically playing free flowing football that Klopp instills like he did in the 19/20 season
mourinho won more trophies with chelsea than klopp with liverpool, so why does the long term really matter if it's less successful?
@yxngkillua7700 Did he won Champions League with Chelsea?
@@eh9296what would a UCL win have to do with his domestic legacy though?
@@justlooking1087Because Klopp built a team that could work in a longer term, consistent enough to be European Champions
Come on. It's MOURINHO. Jose is iconic.. klopp is just another good manager, but nowhere is he touching the status of a legendary manager like mourinho
Not even a debate, how can this be a conversation
I would say it was tougher for Mourinho to win the Premier league back then than it is for Pep right now. I would put forward the argument that in the Premier league, he has a better legacy than Pep!!!!
Teams back then were tough and having good players equally. Now Man City has the cream of players alone, sort of a greedy team and the teams of this generation are easier for Man City because they are weaker.
I would have loved to see a Pep team play against a team with say Gerald, Carragher, Torres, etc: or Rooney, Christiano, or John Terry, Lampard, Drogba, Cavalho, etc.
You guys saw how Pep's Barcelona struggled in the Champions league in almost all meetings with that Chelsea team.
This is between Klopp and Mourinho, not pep
How are City a greedy team whereas City never sign players from their closest competitors? 😂😂
Fun fact Jose Mourinho has spent the 2nd most amount of money in transfers as a manager in football history with only Pep Guardiola just ahead of him now, regardless how you rationalize it that is a huge variable for Mourinho's success at Chelsea.
No matter how you look at it what Klopp has achieved with limited resources against a manager like Pep who has spent well over 1+ billion in transfers during his tenure at City is a miracle in itself.
Mourinho won the champions league with Porto without spending any money
Yeah lol, people say a lot about Pep spending huge money while Mourinho also spent the same and almost nobody talk about it
@@gordazila Im sure they spent money but yeah it was very impressive at the time. That still doesent change the fact he spent fortunes when he went to Chelsea.
@@gordazilaPrem Legacy he aint won it with Chelsea, United or Spurs
@@eh9296Jose managed for longer and not always at elite clubs.
If you look at amount spent over the number of players purchased:
Pep:26 million per player
Jose : 16 million per player
Klopp: 13 million per player
Within the modern CL format , FC Porto is by far the squad with the least transfer value to have won it.
3 premier ships for me 1 for him respect respect respect
Two ama,ing managers....but I would say Mourinho as a LFC fan. If Klopp had won those two champions leagues they lost in the final and another league title youd have ro say Klopp...but he didnt. Mourinho for me.
I think it's always difficult to compare different eras. I'm sure if The Normal One was there at the same time The Special One was at Chelsea, Mourinho's legacy would have been less special. But we'll never know. And if City 🇦🇪 wasn't around, Klopp would have already won three Premier league titles. So based on that it's probably Mourinho, but just because he was a bit lucky Klopp wasn't around
😂😂😂, That Mourinho team would have been too physical for both pep and klopp team.
They were wounded lions, I don't think much would have changed
Those Gerrard can do what Lampard or Scholes can narrative is bullocks for me.
Gerrard definitely would not be able to dictate games or pass as Scholes would, and he would definitely not be able to score as much goals as Lampard has.
He is better defensively and box to box. He’s an all round player, but he won’t be able to do what the other 2 did best.
It’s like they’re all average rated 90. Gerard would be all 90, Lampard would have shooting 95 and passing 85, and Scholes would have passing 95 and shooting 85.
Klopp has won basically nothing outside of Covid times, it's not even a debate. Argue Mourinho with Ancelotti maybe but Klopp frankly doesn't even get in the conversation.
The champions league journey for klopp, the defeat of a centurions and treble winning city side is unbelievable
City won the treble earlier this year. I don't think you should've included that squad.
Jose Mourinho. The Special One.
The question should be Klopp vs Claudio Ranieri both only won one premier league title. Let the debate begin. I would argue Raniere, it was a greater achievement to take a team from near relegation to being champions the following season.
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Ranieri was sacked, though. Which makes it a total anomaly. He can't be a better manager if he didn't go further with that Leicester team.
Absolute credit to Vardy, Mahrez, and Kante. I think those guys being part of that team at the same time was an amazing bit of business on a dime that shows you can challenge when the right hidden gems are found. I know Vardy came from the lower leagues with Leicester, btw.
I think a lot of the big teams were very off colour or rebuilding that season as well, I remember, but Leicester capitalised amazingly well. They still deserved it.
The fact is that money matters.. No manager in premier league has done or could possibly do what klopp has done with the mediocre financial resources at hand... He took over a terrible team struggling to qualify for Europa league and built them into Premier league champions plus 3 UCL finals in 5 years. Their net spend has been less than Arsenal, Tottenham, Villa, West Ham, Newcastle. He has achieved miracles at Liverpool
Hard to tell since Klopp isn’t finished yet. If he wins another Prem or UCL, I feel it will be him. But as it stands probably Mourinho. Taking into account Mourinhos not so successful stints at United and Tottenham, it’s tough
Mourinho said himself his greatest achievement was finishing 2nd with that Man Utd side.
@@connorbutler5900I don't know how teams with tons of money count being 1st or 2nd as an achievement like that's where you suppose to finish with all that money spent 😂😂😂.....
@@edwardoemiliano8018 so you're saying it only counts as an achievement if you're the underdog?
Duhhhh🙄....it's so obvious!!!! No one said that about Liverpool everytime they finished 2nd...Why?
@@edwardoemiliano8018 first off, I'm pretty sure everyone did give Liverpool the credit when they finished second. Secondly, Liverpool weren't really underdogs were they?
Every team that won the premier league shared the goals across the team, BUT STILL HAD ONE MAN who did a lot of the scoring. Haaland, Sallah, Vardy and the likes are good examples. Arsenal need one
Wrong it’s the total amount of goals you score not if halland score 30. Arsenal last year and this year scored the most or almost most goals. 88 goals last year and 23 in just a quarter of this season gone. Plus if that one striker is injured or is off form then the team loses but if we have 4 scorers then when 1 is out the other 3 can score. Plus Defense wins leagues not offense. Midfield is even more Important than the front line. If we get a top scorer then Saka martinelli odegard would all score less goals as they have to change how they play to support this top striker. Defense is priority. I would take another Saka or an inside forward/winger to rotate with Saka and or martinelli. A fit Thomas partey would do more for this team than an Ivan toney.
What about Man City in 2021/22? They had Torres, Foden, KDB and even Zinchenko in that false 9 role, no actual striker. Jesus was playing on the wing that year
@@sy.cc5 ...an exception rather than the rule
@@theach84 I didn't say scoring is the only reason that a team wins the league. What you're talking about is an entirely different conversation. I was talking with respect to the question asked in the show. I simply said there's a correlation between a team winning the league and them having one of the top scorers that season, at least since the inception of the league in 1992. It's obviously not 100% of the time, and goal scoring isn't the single or most important reason a team wins the league. There's just a correlation 🤷🏾♂️
How could you forget Cantona, Alan Shearer, Henry & Drogba? Sometimes you need someone to score three decisive goals in 3 games, instead of a hat-trick in one match.
Mourinho came to Premier League from Porto and then his Chelsea conceded 15 goals. Nobody has conceded so few since. Legacy just in that one season alone.
Back in the day when I was in nappies, what a perspective from someone who was born in 2006
It depends on what you consider legacy, Mourinho won more that is undeniable so he is the obvious answer but he's also been sacked 4 times for poor performance. No top team plays the Mourinho style anymore, at Utd and Spurs he was called a dinosaur style wise, where most try to emulate Klopp and Pep. Klopp's best teams gained more points in the league then Mourinho's did.
It would be interesting to see how Pep would do with Klopp’s resources
Thot the discussion was about klopp and Mourinho..y are you talking about pep😮
Both pep and klopp will never win a champions league with any portuguese team or italian team.
Jose is the best of all time.
He wouod never take a risk like that. He's been at the 3 strongest clubs in world football over the past 15 years
Has to be Mourinho however what Klopp has done overall I.e title challenging and a champions league is more impressive
I agree with Rory (never thought I'd say that)
Mourinho is a brilliant manager but it was easier with Romans money. Klopp did it with fewer resources and a magnificent City team.
Mourinho had to compete with the invincibles and man united.
@@mohammedhamza5560None of those teams are better than Pep's City
@@mohammedhamza5560 The Invincibles weren't all that impressive. Klopp's LFC surpassed their points tally
@@eh9296 yea right. either way mourinho had two top teams to fight against
@@tribalpeacock just coz you surpassed a points tally doesnt really mean you can say they were not impressive. Most of the players in that team is one of the greatest pl players to ever play in the prem
Mourinho was great, but Klopp has shaped the modern game and taken the fight to one of the greatest teams of all time in City
No and doesn't matter in comparison
Explain how he shaped the modern game please?What revolutionary work did he do?Mou did that in his time with his defensive styles,what about Klopp?
People like to hate on Jose cause of style of football which is wrong. He is one of the elites.
The way rory talks to Akinfenwa
I'm a Liverpool fan. It's Mourinho.
Now, had we won the 2 EPL Titles we lost by a 1 point and the 2 UCL finals we lost to Madrid by 3 goals then yeah, it's us. We'd have 3 UCL Titles, 3 EPL Titles, and the first ever Quadruple in English football. Those are the margins unfortunately.
Having watched Mou's original Chelsea squad play live, Klopp did not need any of the oil money to get his team to the top, and Klopp's Liverpool in 2019/20 and 2021/22 seasons were a lot more entertaining to watch than any Mou chelsea team. Mou won more, but just a perspective.