Serj Tankian Calls Out System Of A Down Bandmate Over Equal Pay | Rock Feed
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- System of a Down frontman Serj Tankian speaks out about issues that have led to a delay in new music from the band for over a decade.
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This is crazy. Who do you believe? Daron or Serj?
Idk
Idk
Rock Feed neither both need to just drop the childish shit and makeup 😥
Serj
I want to hear from Shavo
I shouldn't have stolen that album 🙄
LMAO
Its alright they hypnotized you into doing
@@Tevindenzell19 That's toxic.
Im mesmerized by these comment
I love this community
It broke a piece of me to know that serj never really wanted to do hypnotize and mezmerize
BloodySabbath88 Same but it didn’t really surprise me very much, I can hear it in those albums when I listen to them.
Me too cuz i listen to those albums the most along with the toxicity album
It confirmed the weird empty feeling I got when listening to those albums after toxicity.....
those records had a lot of differences with the previous ones, i don't relly like them tbh
Would have been a damn shame if we never got "sad statue " "tentative " or "holy mountains "
The new album can be called, the most loneliest decade of my life
Panu Salin or just simply, Lonely Decade
You f**kholes that is a great song and this mans comment is fantastic.
The 10-Year Itch
@@blehe38 "Never Scratched"
There is an interview with Maynard from Tool and they ask him "How does Tool manage to stay together and keep moving forward as a band, even after 20 years?" He replied "Because we split every penny four ways."
Money disputes have ruined so many bands and frankly after seeing both sides, I am on team Serj. I believe his statement is more accurate.
Who was the interview with?
Joe Rogan
Regardless in musical tastes, RHCP are the same way. They have been through a lot of members but are close to doing it for 30 years. Billy Corgan was a tyrant and kept most of smashing pumpkins music. Now he appears on Alex Jones.
@@ryan9891 billy corgan wrote all the music, so he gets more by law
He gets more by law because he disnt give writing credits, it doesn't matter who wrote the song, but who got credits. Yes, he did virtually all the writing. Yes, he drove that band into the ground. He is a great songwriter but a shitty band mate and human.
System Of A Down: Civil War
SkorpionPlays just make an album. 2 songs each member wants to make and 3 songs they can agree on! Too messy? Maybe.
SkorpionPlays thatd be a perfect title right now for an angry album lol
that could be a geat name for a new album, after they reunite ofcourse
Maybe "Duality"
Lol system of a down st. Anger
Would've never gotten as big as they did without serj. The man's voice was the part they needed to be what they are today.
Amen
Maybe for System of a Down as a whole but individually that band has some serious talent and Darren very much adds ALOT to most of his vocals Darren is always behind
@@stevengonzalez8546 daren's solo shit sucks tho
@@castleman213 your opinion sucks
more then his voice, his lyrics. daron's lyrics are sad words compared to serj's.
"The toxicity of my bandmates, of my baaandmates!" - Serj
The Egg why...
@@sweetrocks610 are you not a soad fan?
Bryan I am. Just the pun was awful
@@sweetrocks610 100+disagree XD
Chu Char i guess this truly is Darons loneliest day
Even if SOAD did make a new album, we would likely be disappointed by it. They already have an incredible library, and I'm fine with that. Of course new stuff would be cool, but look at all of the other bands who make albums after their prime. 90% of the time it's lackluster.
I mostly agree. I'll always be a fan, but I moved on to other bands and genres. I don't really need another SOAD in my collection.
Zhoniin I mean just look at Metallica. Hardwired while not being a bad album. It wasn’t super good
I feel the same. If there is turmoil or dissatisfaction between bandmates, then I don't want them to try and force new music. What they've done is good enough for me.
@@DanDeeg78 I disagree. SOAD would be one of the few bands who could continue making good music into old age.
@@grubbybum3614 I feel if there was equal creativity on said hypothetical album, then yeah. I feel like what made Soad so good, was the combination of their styles together. They all bring something special when they play. I've listened to some of darons and Serjs solo work, and while its still enjoyable, it doesnt quite hit the mark with me. I think it's sad that they couldn't allow a more equal input with the music. I'd really only want an album by them that they all felt passionate about. But at this point, it's hard to see that happening.
Daron and Serj need marriage counseling
Rob Jennings damn straight dude
Metallica tried that and the result was St. Anger, so it's not a really good idea lol
At this point I would take a documentary about them making a new album no matter the outcome
some kind of monster ! XD
The result of St. Anger is them coming together and resolving issues as they made the album. Implying St. Anger was atrocious, I whole-heartily disagree. St. Anger is their best album, and last best album in my opinion. Death Magnetic and Hardwired feel forced, hence this long wait between albums now. They have to get the vibe and see how they can make the kind of music fans want to hear. St. Anger was them not caring, just making what they wanted to make. And I certainly believe, that is their best album. They did what their hearts wanted to speak out. And it bloody worked.
Without St. Anger, the band Metallica as we know today, would have long been gone.
no band is perfect. people change. art is always changing, music is no exception. i say let it be and enjoy what music they were able to come out with.
Overkill excellent point
Well said. Couldn't agree more.
Millionaires fighting over money who wrote songs of anti-capitalism. How ironic.
Michael Floyd they made music themselves, using hard work and talent; they weren't born with a silver spoon; they didn't use and abuse anybody to be where they are today. You can have money and still be a good person, still have principles.
Eric-Alexandre Rousseau Simard That’s a matter of perspective.
You can (and should) try and act like a good person no matter what.
But there will always be someone you have wronged, either knowingly or not.
It’s just what perspective your looking at the situation from.
Michael Floyd I was thinking the same thing
Eric-Alexandre Rousseau Simard missed the point. Sings anti capitalism yet fighting over capital.
They can be critical of capitalism, but are still part of a capitalist system. Money makes the world go round, even if they don't want it to
Def believe Serj. I once saw a live performance and one of their sombre songs was being played while Serj was trying to create this atmosphere and then Daron jumped on a speaker and riled the crowd up pissing Serj off to no end. I've never seen Serj make a face like that ever.
Do you remember which live that was?
Any live footage of that?
@@Sealwithwificonnection I last saw it on MTV2. Was an indoor stadium but I cannot remember what year
@@zombiewafle 2001 lowlands concert?
@@zombiewafle Are you talking about the 2$ bill 2005 MTV concert?
At this point my hopes of a new album are almost gone:(
Hope dies the last....
Karpaslatka i dont think that that kind of attitude will make the band even want to make a new ablm for us. However i an very pleased that serj stood up for his actions and is willing to work with the other band mates to make a new ablm
haha, you didn't realise this like 10 years ago ?
Depends on how bad it gets. Right now there is still a small chance because they are at least being respectful to each other but if Daron, Shavo or John see this and respond and it just keeps going back and fourth until it's a big feud then there is probably no chance which sucks because System still has it's original line up all alive and there are a lot of bands right now that can't have the original line up because of feuds or members dying. We never got to see Pantera reunite for example and now we never will.
Karpaslatka Personally, I think this may be what helps. Open honesty and dialogue. It has taken years for them to feel comfortable enough to publicly say something about what transpired. This may help them realize each other's point of view and be able to get on with it, move forward.
Well.. fair enough. I'd rather them leave it as it is than create a shit album because they can't agree with each other.
Austin Amen!
Smart guy
Whether or not I like the style of music some of these guys have done alone i cant imagine anything they put out being shit. Maybe that's just me though.
EvoK Ironman
Just you.
They suck
Serj is ultimately right. the downfall of a lot of bands revolves around one guy being a control freak or greedy. Everyone should be allowed their own creative input otherwise there’s no point. Personally it seems that Daron is the one at fault. You can’t blame Serj for not wanting to write more songs with the band if he isn’t allowed to have some creative freedom.
Sam Lowden i agree with u that one guys greed makes a band fall apart however the rest of the band are all on the same side except serj. I dont see this as daron being a control freak since serj is the only one with the problem. I see this as serjs ego taking over cause hes not the biggest member of the band anymore. Everyone is on the same page but serj. This is serjs fault. He doesnt want to make the same music the rest of the band wants. Thats completely ok as well but hes the issue here.
Right on;Faith No More got back together after a 16 year hiatus,and made a kick ass album. Mike Patton works w/ artists who;as he put it,"tend to fall between the cracks",yet was always open and optimistic when asked about a potential FNM reunion. And they didn't have to worry about compromising their music to sell units and satisfy a big record label,since they released Sol Invictus on Ipecac Records,Patton's own label.
THANK YOU! been saying this since STA.
Serj ego? LOL it's his "ego" that makes him want to be an equal member of a band and not Daron's back up dancer? lol gimme a break. just because the other two are fine with doing what Daron tells them to, doesn't mean Serj should just let his creativity get squashed. Maybe you don't know what ego looks like, cause Daron is ALL ego.
Serj used to write most of the lyrics and was THE voice of the band. It was his singing, not Daron's shrill whine, that people got into, and what made the band famous. A band's vocal sound is everything, especially if they want to get mainstream popularity. Serj was a massive part of that. All he's asking, is for any future album to NOT be like Mesermize and Hypnotize were: the Daron Malakian show.
Daron always struck me as an asshole and an attention hog. I loved the unique style of guitar writing he brought to the group, though.
Also, controversial opinion: I really liked the way Daron and Serj's harmonies sounded, when they were both singing. Their voices sound REALLY unusual and unique in combination.
Is that a controversial opinion? I thought that was a big part of why people liked them, like Alice In Chains
@@guen4413 well, Daron isn't exactly beloved for his vocals and honestly he was never a very good singer. I've heard a lot of people talk down about SOAD's vocals because of Daron. So I guess I was mainly thinking of that
Jared Hoeft ok I get that. Yeah Daron’s tone is kinda strange but his and Serj’s vocals together sound really great. I still like the songs with just Daron’s vocals though, I think it kinda works with System’s overall style
I found that I enjoy more of their songs when its just Serj singing
System wouldn’t be the same without those harmonies
Mummy why are you and Daddy fighting?
Lmao
Lol
*EAT YOUR DAMN CHOP SUEY TIMOTHY!*
It's not your fault, don't worry. Go back to your room, little bro. They're just having a little dispute. Nothing to worry about. Lol
Which one's mummy which one's daddy
I am angry and sad that their fighting but I agree with Serj, he seems more diplomatic and I feel his points should apply to all bands
Exactly
Espacialy the payment part. Every member of the band should get the same. A good band is unit, no individuals...
Yea I think it really says something when Serj, whom I think many would agree is the most prominent member of the band, is the one that is stressing equal pay.
Bands are NEVER equal...there is always one or two members who emerge as the main creative force, the visionary who produces the true voice of the band. There needs to be a singular unifying vision...without it, you wind up with a mishmash of disparate ideas that will never gel, and a band without an identity.
When it comes down to who gets paid what in a band, it should be broken down like this: for live performances, all members pull equal pay, as they are all integral parts of the whole. Recorded performances, band members get paid in proportion to their creative input. Song writers, producers and engineers within the band get paid according to their contributions, with band members whose job is to learn parts that were written for them and play them on the recording are merely filling a role and not actually contributing much, so they get paid much less.
Why should someone who contributes almost nothing be paid the same as someone whose creative energy, songwriting skill and hours of hard work define what the band is?
I understand Serj wanting an equal voice in SOAD...he has emerged as a great songwriter in his own right and deserves to contribute. But the whole notion that everyone in the band should be paid equally for the efforts of the few? That's completely unfair to those who work much harder to make the band great!
Bands are never equal because there's always 1 or 2 assholes who want to take credit for everything and shit on everyone else due to their over inflated ego. Truth.
system of a downward spiral
Black note emplemon was here
FN PHONEY !! TOO BUSY - PUSHIN THE CHRIS CORNELL HOAX !
Black note We're going down, in a spiral to the ground
Ethan Young No one, no one can save us now :(
Symptoms of a downward spiral.
Nothing Serj proposed sounds that unreasonable.
Yep. He's basically saying he wants to right about half the album since he does half the vocals. Also he seems to be more for equal pay.
Darren however (If Serj is being 100% honest) wants to be in creative control of the album and get paid more For being in creative control.
It's like saying "I want us all to do things My way. Also since we're doing things My way, I should get paid the most because I am doing the most."
I_Am_Dragoon that’s the problem. Serj shouldn’t do half the vocals. He should do all the vocals and Daron be a background singer like he was in the first 3 albums. Serj is the lead singer. Why should the guitarist have half the vocals? That leaves Serj on stage standing when Daron is singing. At least Daron can shred his guitar while Serj is singing.
@@ZombieRoca True, and I get that... But with them coming back together after both of them went and made careers on their own lyrics, then it would be understandable for them to do a 50/50 split. Serj leads the vocals on half, Darren makes his songs where he has the lead, and some songs where they co-write and split it.
Because Darren has his own band, I wouldn't expect him to Completely give up the reins. I think it's a fair compromise...
Darren however seems to have a bit too much ego for that though...
@ZombieRoca I agree with you 1000%. This is the exact same thing that happened with Alice in Chains, where Jerry Cantrell was pretty much in the same role as Daron -- he too decided he needed to be a 50% frontman, even though he was in a band with a ridiculously talented and unique singer. I agree the band works best when Daron is basically to SOAD what Flavor Flav is to Public Enemy: an ingredient that shakes things up for a moment, but not an equal frontman to Chuck D.
Not sure if there's still tension, but I just saw System of a Down last week in San Diego, and they were still at the top of their game.
Mark C saw them in San Bernardino and they were great! Serj has amazing vocals and it’s a shame people think he can’t sing just because he doesn’t scream like he used too.
I’d honestly would rather have no new album rather than have them churn out a shit one. Best to end on a high note.
Too late for that
This may come as a shock to your enlightened "experience", but music is not a meritocracy. It is entirely subjective and will always remain so.
Angela Bird mesmerize and hypnotize weren't high notes LOL
Matt Wretched so you've been listening to metal since the 70s? Oh good for you. But that doesn't make you right.
Matt Wretched ‘I’ve been listening to and playing music this long, my subjective opinion is more valuable than yours’ is all I read there.
before you doubt serj's ability to write a song because you don't like his solo stuff or whatever, just know that he wrote question by himself
Question is amazing. I like most of Mezmerize, Hypnotize is just too Daron apart from the title song and Lonely Day.
I'd much rather have them wait and produce something good and is healthy for the band. Not just capitalize on brand recognition because it could tarnish the amazing work from the past
what i dont get is why if they are "fighting" all the time they keep getting together to play SOAD live, it makes no sense
Money is a hell of a motivator
Et Cogito Ergo Sum They have said before that touring is easy because you play your music and enjoy yourself while coming together and trying to agree on new music is hard.
KevinKoolx I have to agree. I'd rather wait for something good that doesn't leave then at each other's throats.
Wait??????????????? Its been 13 years!!!!!!!!!!!! Serj doesnt want to do it period! And will only do it if they change there sound....... Daron doesnt want to change the novelty of the bands sound....... team daron!
Serj:"You don't carrrrrabout how I feel, I don't feelrrrreh anymore!"
SOAD and Tool have a bet going on to see which band can go the longest without making a record.
Scyber_Sounds Of The Future yet tool has still toured
Scyber_Sounds Of The Future plus the reason tool hasn’t made new music is due to lawsuits they were dealing with which hindered them making new music.
Scyber_Sounds Of The Future fuck tool.
They're not beating Mr. Bungle.
Tool and Soad. my 2 former top favorites, in that order... are apparently in competition to becoming #1 dill weed establishment propaganda pansies ~ :-|
I kind of hope they never work on anything new, unless they can all 100% be in it. I wouldn't want one member to just be in it to appease fans, that wouldn't be honest or real, and that's what we want out of SOAD. SOAD could easily form a newer band, but they need Serj's voice they want to continue with the bands name. And I can tell Serj isn't really interested in doing SOAD anymore. Not overly keen on his new vocal styles, but power to him and all the best to them all for the future.
Beanie Draws fans pay money. That's what they want so I think it should happen regardless
Josh Lyons thats dumb... What next a transgender super hero cuz the "FANS" want it?
Fans are the reason these bands and artists make money. If they want to make money, they will do it. Capitalism trumps all
Gonna happen in 25 years
Josh Lyons goes to show how much you like SOAD if you think the whole point was just "money"
System Of A Done
Genius, my dude.
System now'a done
Lol
Rekt
Their probably done with albums but they still do shows here & there, they got a couple coming up in October
I remember when Mesmerize and Hypnotize came out, thinking "Man, their singer (Serj) has checked out. What's the deal with this?" As it turns out, I have much higher opinion of Serj now than I did back in SOAD's heyday, and it looks like I wasn't wrong about Daron's ego.
An anti-capitalist band having issues over money.....how could this have happened.
KrimsonSkies ..political sentiment is a wonderful thing, true conviction is something different altogether.
That’s called “being a hypocrite”
Anti-capitalism sells to the socialist teenagers. It’s the same with bands like Rage. Doesn’t mean they’re actually anti-capitalism. It’s all an act.
C.R.E.A.M BABY!!!!!
KrimsonSkies it is ironic, of all the bands in the world, I would have just assumed these guys agreed to equal pay
Props to Serj. Daron is not a villain. Everybody step back and let them work it out. Even though this stuff went public it is none of our business in how they will come to a resolution.
It sounds like Daron is a bit of a control freak and Serj is tired of it.
I've always felt like he was a bit of a douche.
Tolyngee have you listen to Serj solo music? And Daron solo music? Well maybe if Daron wasnt a control freak or a douche, the music from SOAD would have been like what Serj music is now days and i rather stay with the soud Daron gives to the band, but thats just my opinion
Lizzard Kraken imo I don't think SOAD would be them without the individual sound each member brings. All of them have such a crazy unique sound that meshes so well
+Lizzard Kracken Or you know..it would be like the first few albums where all of them collaborated equally.
I think they both have legitimate points, but I'm siding more with Serj here, I feel like on hypnotize/mesmerize, you can hear way more of Daron's influence and control on the music, maybe to the point of pushing it in a bad direction (I do love those albums though).
Serj sounds like a very reasonable person.
He sounds as much of a diva as he claims Daron is
@@Ljounieh Not at all.
1 day later *System Of A Down's JOHN Dolmayan*....
good for him. bands are a group not one person. it should be a group effort and contribution.
Yeah exactly. That’s the whole point of being in a band instead of just being a solo artist.
Except Serj is the reason you recognize SOAD the moment you hear it. He’s the crucial link between the heavy music and mainstream appeal. I may not agree with it on certain terms but I can understand it from a business perspective.
Ghost of Mr. Problematic no. is flo in a band that performs and works projects together? shes an actress, paid to act out a script. one band member is no more important than another. its a group effort to produce music, not recite what has been produced and handed to you by a company.
Ghost of Mr. Problematic Wow, you've proved your point lmao.
ClandestineGirl16X they literally just said they had to beg Serj to make Hypnotize and Mesmerize. LOL Serj = Flo 100% confirmed 😎😎
The lack of content is why I started making meth
i know your name.
JvRacingVids he is The One Who Knocks
🤣 you dead bro
Heisenberg Lol what? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Heisenberg there's always one
Issues like this should remain out of the public and within the group to sort out privately. I have been a Singer/Songwriter for about 30 years and This is exactly why I remain a solo artist. It's challenging to keep 4 or 5 talented, eccentric, creative minds together without major issues. I wish them well.
System of a Down is going down in a spiral to the ground
No-one, no-one’s gonna save them now
Guess you could say its a bit 'Tentative'
Where do they expect us to go when the bombs fall?
Someone had an ego brain
lol
I have alot of Questions ?
If they would go in the studio with all this shit in their head, it wouldn't work. Music is about chemistry among band members. I've been in a little band myself, and once this kind of tensions start, it's basically over. It is very difficult to recover from certain situations. They could find some sort of agreement and go back in the studio, but I'm not sure it would work properly. Sad.
PaleBlueDot exactly. You can bring in all the ideas you want, but ultimately things still get changed. If there's that much of a disconnect that they can't write together then there's really no use waiting for a new album.
Discord gives birth to great angst & passion in music...if U can keep it together & not come to blows.
R&R
PaleBlueDot then say something positive to help them work out there differences instead of being negative and not having any hope for them
Finally someone got it.
Actually this isn't true. Disagreements and bad chemistry actually CAN lead to an amazing album, but they absolutely NEED to push themselves to finish it rather than give up when things dont go their way. Look at the album Saturday Night Wrist by Deftones. It was an amazing album by them but it nearly split the band up because of creative differences, but even though they disagreed on a lot of things with each other, and may not have particularly been happy with things in each song, the end result was one of their most unique albums that was widely praised.
Those differences being smashed against each other can create things incredibly unique.
Good flippin job Daron now we'll never get another system album
If these new details are accurate, and I have no reason to doubt them, then I support Serj's choice. I never thought I'd support a delay of another SOAD album. But I've been a fan from the first moment I heard Serj's voice over a loudspeaker in 2001 and I want to see them do it right. System is my all-time favorite group and they should do an album correctly or not do one at all. And let's be honest - Serj IS the band. His unique voice is what sets SOAD apart. And it's the reason I love them so much. Toxicity is still, in my opinion, the greatest album ever made. That's the type of spirit and mood they need to bring to the table if they're going to put out new music that will endure.
I agree with this very much and also toxicity was my fav album and still is! Its a good mix of different styles and its one of them albums that you can just put on and not have to skip through a couple track. Bangers from start to finish
Well... Rip new SOAD album
I hope the band's stepson doesn't eat the fish
MJNation me too
MJNation you got me dead my dude😂😂😂😂
there’s something wrong with you
I love this cocaine, it makes me feel like I'm actually in the song
HockeyShark *there's nothing wrong with me*
This band is slowly falling apart…:(
Karpaslatka Agreed...honestly it's a shame
the band is committing hararkiri
No I think they’re slowly getting better, you can tell the band members are trying to work things out, and I think they will eventually
Lord Zaber #2 I’ve tried to stay optimistic about it for so long its insane, I don’t think its ever going to happen
Slowly lol This band died after Hypnotize and when Sej did those terrible solo albums
Why not to put this story and what it did to you, Serj and Daron, into music, and write a new album. I think it would be great, as this is true and emotional.
Hey, what are you doing here?
@ DaFuq!?Boom! : That right there, is an awesome idea.
That would be great and all, but first you have to get the band to actually want to get into the recording studio together and record an album. which doesn't seem likely....
It's more likely when you realize that SOADs music used to come from a place of deep emotion and anger with how things are. They are men changed by their success and the things they used to be angry about no longer affect them and no longer elicit such strong emotional responses. Their current state, their current struggles, their current sources of frustration and anger however might.
If it's music the rest of us can identify with to the point of giving them a commercial success is somewhat questionable however.
Still, I'd listen to the album, to understand them better, if nothing else.
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*R.I.P. S.O.A.D.* Band died a decade ago they my favorite band of all time sad....
SINISTER MOB sorry you got tricked by one of the most overrated, meager band ever to come out of the late 90s early 2000s. Hahaha sorry bro you got tricked son!
Twobarpsi The first two SOAD cds are straight up masterpieces. The rest really aren't that special. The first two are magic though.
Steal This Album was the tits though
The first three...
I must have been 10 when Mesmerise came out and at the time, even as a child, I thought it seemed as though Daron had taken over the band, just based on how much more he was singing in the songs and how different they sounded. I still feel that way today and hearing this makes me go with my gut instinct. Serj always seemed like a really good guy, Daron seems like an 18 year old musician who never grew up.
Callum Kenny- That's how it always seemed to me too. Daron all of a sudden was the co-lead singer and it felt like his ego blew up. Still like those albums but I'm not surprised at all at what Serj is saying here.
This. Daron's ego is insane. You could see it through the whole "mesmerise/hypnotise" phase.
Callum Kenny I agree 100%.
Well.... I guess we have to accept that Serj isn't interested in Rock/Metal-Music anymore. Maybe it's even better if they don't release a new album. Serj allways sung from his heart and I'm sure that we want an album where he is singing from his heart right? But he CAN'T sing from his heart if he don't enjoy this kind of music anymore. I don't want a fake album wich is gonna be 1/4 as good as all the other System albums. I want a FANTASTIC System album and I'm sure that you are thinking the same way. So it's better if they release NOTHING instead of releasing an album wich is gonna be OKEY.
Whatever. I'm gonna love this band for the rest of my life. :)
K.I.Z Of A Down I agree completely, there's no point if they're not on the same page.
When did Serj say that he is not interested in metal? What he said was that he wants the money and creative control to be shared equally between the band members. He wants to make a new SOAD album but he has to make sure that Daron doesn’t have full control over everything.
Meccarox I think he said it in an interview. I forgot wich one and can't even remember if it was a TH-cam-video or not. This guy grew up listening to classic and armenian music. He just came to Metal cause of some people he knew. But he has never been a Metalhead.
Meccarox Exactly! Daron said in his statement that he already had an album ready for System. That’s exactly what Serj doesn’t want... he doesn’t want Daron to be the one to say and do everything.
K.I.Z Of A Down gay
They know they can’t replace Serj, without him there is no SOAD
without Serj singing SOAD wouldn't be SOAD
Mesmerize and hypnotize were half wack, and that’s on Daron
I honestly don't know who to believe in SOAD but there is definitely tension between the band and i think this is why there is no album as of right now they can't agree with anything at this point.
Kitsune Metal Reloaded ya think?
All I understood was that Dorian from words of serj say that Dorian always wanted to lead the band at his way. I think serj is all right in here the band should be equal. N they should agree on how they going make music.
omar moran System has always been Daron's band, he is the main driving force for the band's sound and direction. And Serj even said that he didn't mind Daron singing more and was happy that he was around 05/06
But there nothing to not believe... media reporting sucks but if you read Daron's interviewing and Serj's statement they're both on the same page and both saying the same things.
It doesn't seem to read as if anyone is trying to throw anyone else under the bus. they just can't agree on how they want the album to sound and the songs they wan't to put on it, so they're not making an album right now.
Seems pretty fair to me.
Kitsune Metal Reloaded It seems this dispute is public for a reason. Maybe they both really want to do a record but they never really discuss these issues in person. Going on record so everyone can see for themselves, I believe will only strengthen the band with time. Very similar to Some Kind Of Monster DVD with Metallica. Hopefully this will only strengthen their friendships and bond as a band. It might seem like it's over for SOAD, but this might be the start for something great to happen.
Its OK, in a couple of years they'll put out a movie called "Some Kind of Armenian" where they work things out with a psychiatrist and Rick Rubin, and then make brand new music!
Lol
👏🏽👏🏽 brilliant !!
lol so true
But the album is gonna suck after that tho
And they lose the bassist, "he left the fokin band"
I can translate. Serj: “I wanna sing gothic operas!” Daron and the others: NO.
Chris Blahnik well said! 👍🏻
Ok but where are the solo gothic operas?
Devon Grosstephan how about elect the dead symphony...or orca symphony... or how about 1915... or how about...are we seeing a pattern yet?
Hahaha
Chris Blahnik Hahahaha
Thats one of the biggest killers of a band. One guy gets 50% whilst the other members share the remainder. Cold play have the right idea, all member get equal.
Coldplay has the right idea with pay but the wrong idea with music lol. A horrible band who sounds like a crappy, watered down, pop version of Radiohead.
@@zacharymueller674 can't say im overjoyed with there music ether.
But hey they make hits, and thats what matters..the majority audience ears is the real judge
System of a Down is much better than coldplay
Well, equal pay is a band killer too. Its frustrating when you do pretty much all the work but get equal pay as other band members. Its the same reason that communism doesnt work. Just listen to Scars on broadway songs. Its obvious that 75% of SOAD material are Darons children.
To be honest I think Daron has a _huge_ ego. I'm not putting it all on him. But if Serj really doesn't wanna do more of the same, they should leave it be altogether. Because then it wouldn't be a real SOAD record after all. Just make a clear decision once and for all.
Every SOAD album has been totally different to one another, it seems like both Daron and Serj have huge egos
Serj has a huge ego. Daron is a humble kid at heart who loves playing and writing music. That's it.
They both have massive egos. Just look at Serj's solo album artwork. He views himself as some sort of cult leader. Don't get me wrong, I love his music and the causes he supports, but Serj himself seems like he really only cares about himself.
The reactions to my comment show how split up the fanbase seems to be between Serj and Daron. It's really interesting to see.
JThrashYT You’re crazy if you think Daron is humble
I thinks it’s pretty simple, Serj doesn’t like Mezmerize/Hypnotize and that’s the kind of music Daron is still making. Scars on Broadway always sounds like it could have been on those albums and that’s the type of stuff Serj doesn’t want a new system album to sound like and he knows Daron will get the final say and it will inevitably sound like that type of record. I love those and scars so I would totally be down with a new album like that as would most everyone I assume but for some reason Serj doesn’t like it so it won’t happen.
crocadile4
Attack is a good song.
anything that isnt somehing like the first three albums, i wouldnt care tbh
So is Dreaming, I liked all the songs on those albums but Dreaming seems like a Serj song to me.
Yeah, Serj looked really bored live back in 2005. (Mezmerize/hypnotize era)
I'd say if the band members don't like each other anymore and have such problems forcing a new album would be wrong
Tolyngee I needed that laugh
alak58 you do realize that was a joke right?
lmao
Slipknot didnt really love each other while making Self titled and Iowa, and those are their best albums
alak58 Obvious joke..
Toxicity is my favorite by them, because Serj does the majority of the vocals which is how it should be.
James Bayly self titled is also pretty good
i disagree, darons voice really naturally compliments serj’s. that’s why their voices work so well sharing vocals
Yeah, I don't mind Daron getting some time on the spotlight like he did every now and then. But Serj's job in the band is being the vocalist. Why should Daron hog it all up when he's already writing the riffs, melodies and structure?
Mezmerize is my favorite System Of A Down album. :)
@@MiasChannel100 I think so too but to a degree. I like when serj is the main singer along with some harmony from daron. Or when daron does intros.
Serj is doing his own thing!Hats off to him..
Serge wants to evolve away from his roots, which is cool and all, but that means SOAD is officially dead. No worries; I'll enjoy what we got pretty much forever
Tbh i don't think we would ever get that raw angry sound again anything like it was for the first 2 albums, I'm grateful for what they did too and some things are best left as they were rather than a bs compromise.
guess its safe to say this band its done!
shame, they were awesome!
CarimboHanky What does it say on the flag in your thumbnail?
CarimboHanky were awesome. They stopped being awesome a long time ago
Ivan Perez “Metallica” *Illegible* “2010”*
Ivan Perez I think the middle part might say
They were done 10 years ago…
These two are a modern day Simon and Garfunkel. Their voices are great, but together, they are incredible. And their style is one of a kind, too. Never gets old. I hope they can get it going again; whatever it turns out to be will no doubt be fantastic.
It's over guys. No other way around it. Let's just enjoy the 5 albums they gave us
Serj sounds like a recently divorced mom.
Hahah why does this seem so accurate 😂
There is no I in Eye serj is weird man.
He seems reasonable.
For anyone that doesnt know, the songwriter gets a bigger cut than the performers. Thats just how the business goes, Daron was the backbone of SOAD he wrote most of the songs
Division1Productions true but who has the voice
Serj
voice doesn't pay. everyone has a voice so "the voice" could be anyone. The song is foundation of the industry, no song - no artists - no music - no payment. this is why the songwriter gets a lot more royalties, after all, the art that is the song has been created by the songwriter. no one else can claim this.
Whereas on System of a Down's previous albums most of the lyrics were written and sung by Tankian and the music was co-written by Tankian and Malakian (and sometimes Odadjian), much of the music and lyrics on Mezmerize/Hypnotize were written by Malakian who also took on a much more dominant role as vocalist on both ...
On that note
and since he didn’t really hynotize/Mezmerize makes since why he didn’t really write it
Except SOAD was at it's prime when Daron AND Serj co-wrote (Along with the occasional Shavo) the songs, for the first 3 albums. Daron ultimately took over the writing process of the last 2 albums, which are EASILY their worst material.
+Lumos Sir
Get real the voice can't be anyone.
Writers get swapped all the time, to mixed results.
Establish voices of a band, or actors of a series are almost impossible to replace without destroying the project.
It may not be fair but that's how it is.
Im with serj here cuz those conditions seem fair. I thought something like the ones listed should of already been in place
Man..drama really destroys the greatest of titans..
Same.
Cragmortis differences in opinions and ideas. The band dynamic is a difficult one.
Fuck daron
It's bad for rock music especially. This doesn't happen as frequently with some of the newer types of music like rap music for example or EDM, like anything that can be done by one or two people vs. five. AND THEN the other cruel thing on top of that is bands also have to split the pay. You can see why it's so attractive for people to get into electronic music and stuff now, while the people in rock if things don't change are slowly going to die out and/or fade away.
I dont care about the feud, i just care that im not getting new SOAD, it just upsets me that these guys cant get on, they make very entertaining music
yourenotinthecircle EDIT: because i cant spell.
You should care about the feud. its what decides wether we'll see another record or not.
yourenotinthecircle selfish
You have to respect their creative process, even if this means waiting for over a decade for new music. Otherwise we'll just get a hastily thrown together album that will tarnish the sound that you love from SOAD .
And now you know why he left the keys upon the table.
He wanted to.
I like Serj I like System of a Down But to be Honest a band is supposed to be friends so it shouldn't really be that hard to come to a consensus unless there's some people in the band who are not very nice I've seen plenty of Serj I think it's got to be the guitarist
I mean Serj explained it perfectly he doesn't wanna be in a band where some have more control than others. And I applaude him for it. As you said, bands are supposed to be like friends/family. That requires equality. If Daron wanted more money/artistic control/press coverage than everyone else it's totally reasonable that Serj wanted to leave the band
What is happening to my favorite band? This is getting juicy.
Jack Hoff This was obvious even when they said things were cool, the difference between the first three albums and the last two are Darons voice.
The music put out in the past was great content, and the solo album's of Serj are also great - End System on a high note, rather than forcing an album when the band isn't really for it, right?
The fact that Serj didn't even want to do Mezmorize and Hypnotize hurts my heart. I love both of those albums and the fact that he hated making music like that makes me say don't come out with another album. As much as I'd love new SOAD songs I don't want Serj to do something he'd hate. I'll enjoy the golden years of SOAD and remember what great music Daron and Serj made together as well as their harmonies which always take my breathe away.
Dude rock and roll is freakn dying. We need SOAD! After all of these years SOAD still has dedicated fans, don't let us down!
Holly Reyes
They felt like the biggest asshole when they killed your rock and roll
SOAD is not rock and roll. Bruce Springsteen is rock and roll.
Schwantz Klopfer What's your title? Alternative? It doesn't matter, everyone gets the point. R&B & Pop is taking over.
humhum..SANTA CLAUS...ALSO EXIST.... LMAO ¬¬/
Rock and roll isn’t dying. It’s slowly becoming more experimental and morphing into post-rock while the mainstream rock has mutated into alternative music.
Bands are like relationships, some times things just run their course and you need to find a new relationship. Sadly this is where SOAD is at.
I'm still waiting for Mr. Bungle to put out a new album...
Still... Waiting...
We all are homie...almost 20 years now...
They really should get back together and make something. That would be a dream come true.
Why? Trevor Dunn/Patton have gone on record many times over the years saying there'll never be another record.
There just having a break
Haha.. you may be waiting a while!!!
SoAD has nothing left to prove to me. They are one of the most incredible bands to have ever come out. When they played live in their Natural country, that was the cherry on top. The power and the emotion that is in all of their songs has got to be draining. In my opinion, SOAD can do no wrong. If this is the end of the line, then so be it. They have such power and can grab you that you can't help to feel some of the pain that they write about. Thanks guys
I think this is great. I heard what both had to say and I personally think this is good for both of them to get shit off their chest. Its not about, "who do you believe?"... Its about taking both sides into consideration and realizing that these are 4 human beings with musical and artistic differences. Give it time ...
That’s true. I think they will work it out eventually.
I hate to say this but they need to just go their separate ways, give up on System. Make their own music and at least maintain the relationship. I just don't want there being any hate between the band mates, even if it means no more System. As long as they all keep making music.
Exactly, Serj has made 5 albums, The other guys are doing stuff. It's over. They should go their separate ways.
System Of A Down has gone full “Some Kind Of Monster” era of Metallica. To busy fighting themselves instead of fighting things that matter. Just more souls sold to make it.
Mickey Morrow Like so many, they lost their path.
Mickey Morrow but frantic is my 2nd favorite song from them
well. if system of a downs albums are going to be as lackluster and forced as Metallica’s since 2003. i am okay if system doesn’t make any new music.
"Fighting themselves instead of things that matter"
Such as what? Another album? More touring? Nah, man. Honestly, I prefer to have the band stay where it is if they can't settle their differences. I never liked Hypnotize/Mesmerize for reasons I could not pinpoint but it always felt like the spark from the previous albums wasn't there. After hearing this, I'm glad to know I was right. They don't owe me anything, they don't owe us anything. They owe it to themselves to still enjoy doing what they do, and if that's not the case anymore then that's all there is to it, as the past decade and however long has proven. I don't care how long it takes for them to make something new (if they ever do) just as long as they are giving it their all. If they enjoy it, I'm sure we will as well.
Yeah except it isn't like that at all...
I'm still happy with the albums they have done, if they never recorded another song I'd still be satisfied with their catalog
Dude im just shocked Serj was planning on leaving before Mesmerize & Hypnotize. Im so grateful for those albums now ;-;💖
Same
Danny Polanco Ik B.Y.O.B. would have never existed, & thats my fav SOAD song but all the songs on those albums are badass
Danny Polanco Are you really? Cuz it was obvious in the album's he wasn't enjoying it, the first three are definitely the best, but it's weird cuz I went through my teens with mezmerise and hypnotize.
gregory wald hell yeah! First song I ever heard was hypnotize and to this day it still remains my favorite among many others. I agree Serj didnt get to sing as much as he probobly would have liked but I also really enjoyed the heavyness of Darons songs
System is Down.
Soad, tool, Rammstein, every body wants a record from them but probly wont get it (:
Menoetius Rammstein have revealed that we can expect a new album from them before the end of this year. They are currently working on it!
9VENDETTA Fr?
Maynard of Tool said we can expect the album in 2019. He said it while receiving an award. Just look it up yourself.
tool got mixed up in some shit, that is why there was no album, some legal bs. It is finally over
Tool and Rammstein are working on new material. There, I said it.
When they released their 2005 albums Mezmerize and Hypnotize, I knew there were internal conflicts within the band just by the way the music sounded. I feel like Daron wanted the lead, and then wanted full creative control. To be completely honest, I preferred their original sound and really disliked the departure from in that I found in mez/hyp. you can see the lust for front man in, not only, Daron's eyes, but his entire demeanor; while Serj appears to be as he has always been, which is, about the music, and the message. Again, I feel Daron, not Serj, is responsible for the divide. he got his cake, now he has to eat it, at our expense.
Okay I'll point this out...
None of this info is surprising with perhaps Serj actually responding to this, although he kind of had no choice and this has been building up for the last 12 years now...
Anyone who was a fan of the band back when they were in their prime knew about Daron the Diva. Reason why Mesmerize and Hypnotize sounded so different from the first three albums and demo songs, as Daron wanted to sing more. Serj was never a metal guy. He was more focused on things like Poetry and fell into a metal band with his friends. That is why the original music was so unique creatively. Daron wrote the vast majority of the music and Serj provided lyrics and input on the earlier albums. When they went on Hiatus in 06, it was obvious Daron wanted to be more of a front-man and Serj wanted to explore other avenues and the other members of the band took advantage of that too. Years went by, an outburst by Shavo, and a couple of small statements from John and Daron. The band starting touring together however obviously as years went by and by again, and the direction Serj's solo music went, it was clear the interests no longer line up.
As much as Serj is a self-righteous elitist libtard, I applaud his transparency here and believe his story as it falls in line with what is observed. I guess you can say it may not be anyone's fault as simply Serj and Daron do not see eye-to-eye on future of System, however it's worth pointing out how much of a drama-controlling brains-baked douchebag Daron is. Pretty shitty and petty to not shell out equal pay and respect other's input in a band of such long and tight membership, but hey do you honestly expect any less hypocrisy from a baked-out looney socialist? There's a reason why the other members aren't in Scars - they cost too much. Same reason why the videos are all about Daron. It's all about Daron the Diva.
That said, is both Serj and Daron are extremely talented. Serj with his lyrical ability and Daron with songwriting. It looks like the new Scars album that was previously recorded is going to be really good. Its clearly better than Daron's first attempt, and sounds more like System. It sucks though that it didn't pan out to incorporate Serj's range in the songs to give them the icing on the cake that makes SOAD.
What this means for System is that album they were gonna make last year has exploded and fell apart, here is about to be released Daron's ideas, and Serj has mentioned that he is taking his songs and might release another solo album with them. Very well could mean we won't ever get another SOAD album, however definitely means we will not get one in the next couple years as all the songs they had have just been dismantled and parted out.
Also worth mentioned, John and Shavo are just along for the flow on this. They have made outbursts and comments over the years about Serj not going forward however it really is about Serj not conceding to King Daron. John and Shavo are cool with it because they have no choice. However Serj is a big name and can do just fine without System if Daron doesn't want to team play. Also FYI Serj and John's wives are sisters so yeah... lol the family treads lightly. How about those Thanksgivings!
if it has to end i hope it does amicably . We dont need another pantera scenario . RIP Vinnie Paul
I don’t think anyone can really say anything and it to be true about the members of SOAD because we don’t know them on a personal level. Most people here are commenting in spite of one members who they believe is the problem. Regardless of Daron wanting to sing more or Serj not wanting to do the same thing continuously is completely down to them and people shouldn’t call them control freaks or whatever about it. There the guys who brought us the albums in the first place, so instead of getting annoyed about their inability to produce more, appreciate that they produced anything, and are trying to still produce more. I understand why some people call Daron a control freak but if he writes the majority of SOAD music and he has a vision for the band, who can blame him for wanting to take the band in that direction. As he said in an interview, as he writes most of the music, some songs need
To be sang by him to get the right emotions across. And with serj, nobody can blame him for wanting to move on and do something else. It’s entirely up to him what he does and i Personally agree with his thoughts about doing the same thing over and over again, only I never looked at System that way as many of their songs are different from the rest. If he truly has moved on and it’s not in his heart to do System music, which I don’t believe is the case, then we should support him. I don’t know, nor do i care about who’s to blame for no album because I’m just glad that System existed at all. We don’t know what’s going on behind the interviews and what’s happened at their meetings so we shouldn’t assume anything about anyone. I wrote this comment purely to respond to all the people putting their anger on one member. Daron is my inspiration in most parts of life. A truly talented musician and Serj is too which is why it saddens me that people are giving them such hate
Damn this was a long comment I appreciate and admire anyone who reads it all
Jhamez I read the last sentence! Just That! Commenting community would like to thank you for ur efforts tho!
It’s ok. I read the whole thing
I hate these anti American communist fucks equally.
Honestly I gave up on getting a new soad album years ago and I’m glad I did. In my opinion all of their albums (except for mesmerize which is still amazing) are perfect in their own ways. I honestly feel that if they kept going it just wouldn’t hit that point of quality that were all used to. I’m just grateful that we got so many amazing records from these guys.
Serj's solo work was good but really missing what the rest of the band provides. They are all such great musicians and to this day I listen to SOAD multiple times a week. I just went on a 13 hour road trip and listened to their whole discography. I understand their frustrations and respect the decisions made. The concert they did last summer that was filmed was a perfect way to kind of say goodbye to the band for me. I accepted the fact that I will never see them live again (05 Cbus was lit!!!), and probably never hear a new album.
Equal pay for equal work
Yeah. Darren Seems to be saying "I want to be in creative control and do most of the lyrical work... Also pay me for doing the most work, or no go."
David Ball yeah that would be fair if Daron let them help with writing
Thank you Serj for clearing things up👍
Lyann Leyva This isn't Serj's channel. You might want to leave that reply for him on his Twitter.
Where did he say he doesn't want to do heavy anymore?
He wants his input to be valued, as of any other member, and he doesn't want to create a Scars album but a SOAD one.
Firstly I don't have any other social media to respond to Serj so I'll leave my comment right where it is.
Secondly if you didn't get any answers from his response that's on you.
In my OPINION Daron shitted all over Serj and Serj felt the need to reply.
He wants to grow as an artist you can't blame an artist for wanting that. All the greats have done it. Go listen to radiohead and you get music from all over the spectrum and that's just one example. Need more examples Pink Floyd, Steven Wilson, Modest Mouse, Daft punk, the list goes on dude.
I can understand being so devoted to a band and their sound. I totally get it. Look at slayer. They have had basically the same sound since the beginning and they are timeless but, not every group wants to do the same thing forever.
The Foo Fighters are having this exact problem now. They've been doing the same thing for so long that although they have a dedicated fan base. The band itself is suffering ( more so David Grol) because some want to change their sound and some don't.
alak58 I can see your perspective but even in the bands you named there have diversity in their sound not all Rammstein songs or albums for that matter sound alike. For example the Mutter album was one of their gothic sounds as opposed to other albums. I can see how as a die hard fan you don't want to change the winning formula but again we are not in their shoes. Serj wants more creative input I don't think that's hard to manage. SOAD has serious potential to take their music wherever they want, people adapt and will adapt to their change. It's life. People change, perspective, ideas, feelings, all the time. I can appreciate the stand the Serj is taking for his art. Also this is not belittling Darons work. I loved hypnotized and mesmerized. I even loved his solo work but, trying to control another artist to just conform and put out music they want IS NOT rock and roll.
who else was mislead by the thumbnail, title, and description, thinking they were actually gonna see serj speak out?
I side with both. They both have good points and views and should talk this out very extensively until they can find a good outcome for all members of the band.
honestly serj a yung god. he legit was the soul of system with his lyrics and vocals. yeah the riffs where juicy but serj rode them riffs like it was nothing
Serj speaks out. This is a good sign. I prophecize there will be a new SOAD album by the end of 2020. You heard it here first.
The new (2018) scars on Broadway album is amazing! Serj is amazing in his own work now and clearly doesn't want to go the heavier route anymore. Respect to all is needed. Soad shouldn't be if the band isn't 100% behind it. Not all is lost by Soad not making new albums. I'd rather is scars and Serj do what they love than feel forced to make an album just for us.
Definitely
Exactly! I love soad too and maybe even them only having 4 albums is what makes listening to them more special
I love this band but I’m gonna stand with serj on this, I saw them and darron was far too high to even play the guitar. He started out facing the back of the stage and then eventually disappeared. Serj grabbed the guitar and sang and did darrons job. Darron eventually came back towards the end of the show. I think it says all.
Jesus, did this really happen?
Man this is heartbreaking...Such an amazing band and they're falling apart...
This reminds me of a similar case of a small band... The lead singer, a guy called Axl wanted to take control of the band. It started with him making his band members sign some papers, giving him the rights of the name of the band. Then, the guitar player of that band, some guy called Slash recorded some of his songs and song ideas and showed them to the singer but the singer rejected them all, saying that those songs were too "redneck" and he wanted to sound more like...something like Nine Inch Nails. At the end, Axl, the singer was the only one who remained in the band. He hired a bunch of musicians to write songs with him and after almost a decade, he started touring again, under the same name (I think the name of the band was Guns n' Roses or something like that) and, as you can imagine, the fans were very disappointed when they realized that everyone but the singer had been replaced. Have you heard of that band, by the way? Not sure if people know about them... ;-)
Let's hope that System Of A Down won't do the same mistake!
However, if Serj isn't into that kind of music anymore, it wouldn't be fair to expect them to get together and to record an album, just because we liked what they've done before and we would like to get some more of that. People change but often, especially in music, the fans find out about a band, they love the songs and then they expect more of the same thing. Some bands like AC/DC are OK with keep doing the same kind of music but most of the bands, most of the people evolve and tend to go in different directions.
Sumido S. I feel like you're being facetious. GnR was huge in their day. They still can draw a crowd too. Or maybe you're just unaware.
The guy was obviously being sarcastic. I'm actually surprised you didn't notice.
MrConstantine02 I am too 😂
Axl wanted to sound like NIN? Even as a big NIN fan I have to wonder what the fuck was he smoking.
Titanium Rain that was my favorite part of the original comment. Caught me off guard and gave me a chuckle.
My opinion: (and before it gets destroyed in the comments remember it is just an opinion)
Serj carried System of a Down. His vocal tone, his range, this talent. He has a voice that if it is featured on another band's song, you can recognize it's him immediately. Darren has a look that frightens people (which is part of SoaD's charm I know) but vocally he's not the greatest singer. His screech is a signature of SoaD but without Serj (Scars on Broadway) it's just terrible noise. Serj however with his solo career produced AMAZING music. There is no doubt in my mind that whenever I was genuinely blown away by anything SoaD did it was Serj's input/talent/performance not Darren's. Love ya Darren, I love to sing along those high notes with ya, but Serj is the face of the band for me.
I agree.
NO. SOAD made SOAD. All of them together. On the Journey Together. What a load of bollocks this is, and making it so public - like spoilt children. Awful. Like Lemmy said: "No Class".
i listened to SOAD because eating seeds is my past time activity
The TOXICITY of your COMMENTS, yeah your ccooooommmmmeeeents
I Kind of agree... Serj's vocals feel more varied and high quality. Also Serj puts more depth into his lyrics.
Darren does an Awesome job as a guitarist, and while his vocals are memorable, they just don't have the same weight to them.
It is Really evident in their separate careers. Serj's solo albums are full of deep lyrics and varied melodies, while Darren's are more of a trippy experience with an emphasis on the heavy sound.
However they are Only SOAD when they put their sounds together. SOAD to me is the unique blend of heavy angrily yelled lyrics filled with justified outrage, solemn songs about how terrible and unjust our current society is, and nonsensical acid trips that can all coexist on a single album yet still work.