We were so excited to get going on the new office build, we forgot to bake in todays code... so this one is a freebee! Today's giveaway code is "JAYSBADADVICE"
Made the same mistake. I kept going to "BEST" and "MUST HAVE RGB" ... (that last one was a huge mistake) What I found, esspecially with mice, is they that it doesn't matter which tier they are, the buttons will die at the same rate. So it's better to just buy a fovorite from the Flawless mice list for as cheap as possible and sticking with that.
Unfortunately, my line of work actually requires both high end CPUs and GPUs, so I'm constantly upgrading every generation to shave up to 20 min off hardware simulation/compile time in some cases. The upside is that when you work from home, that high end gaming rig can be written off as a business expense.
aggree! I went from corp employee to a freelancer and the first thing I did was buy a big CPU with fast NVMEs and a lot of RAM being like: "yeah I need that, anyway it's business expenses, let'S also buy a 3080ti, I will be needing for AI" I utilize most of the system while working... except for the GPU as every AI models I use has to run in the cloud XD
@@Metallica98189 hes lying everybody who writes statements like this they have no job they live at home with their parents and all the user computer for is fortnite
That would be awesome. Part of the reason people go for highest price/latest as an indicator of quality is because synergy based on use case is so much harder to identify
Please do this Jay. I am racking my brain atm trying to determine the compatibility of certain parts, and pcpartpicker isn’t always accurate in terms of component compatibility.
@@cthxmas7966 I would recommend the manufacturer’s website for the manuals / qualified vendors list and then check tech forums and Reddit and see what other peoples results have been with either similar or the same configuration. Unfortunately being this thorough isn’t a guarantee but I think it would be a really good chance to up the odds of everything playing nice.
While I think I technically qualify for "over speccing" my PC Build, I am on a 5 year upgrade cycle vice the 3 year mentioned in this video.. so when I buy/build one, I have to go a little overboard knowing I wont be able to keep up with technological trends as much as the next guy
Most efficient use of funds is buying at peak efficiency gains. Radeon 7000 series is it with multiple stacked dies. 3000 rtx was a good leap with dlss 2. Ryzen with 680 rdna2 is another leap that's worth it. DDR5 is also a sweet spot for both amd and Intel. The ecc is very helpful and also the speed increase.
Same. I game on 1080p with 75hz, have been on a 3700x for 3 years and 3060ti for 1.5 years, and plan to keep both for at least 1 to 3 more years, depending on the market.
Same here. Built my PC 2 years ago and spent a fortune on it. I won't put another penny in it or a new build for 4-6 years. Would love to have a top line GPU but not gonna give them a buck simply out of pure spite.
Ditto. Last build was a 4790k and it carried me as far as it possibly could until it just couldn't do enough single-core performance for what I needed. Replaced it with a 5950x. I don't have the free time to be tinkering all the time on a faster upgrade cycles. There is also the issue of e-waste, I also don't need a bunch of parts lying around, and resell is a hassle to me. I do demote the replaced system to HTPC duty. Notably, I've had a CLC run fine for 10 years, and Corsair replaced some lifetime warranty ram 7-8 years in.
The thing you also have to remember though is that your use case may change with time - and technology advances with time. Personally, I'd rather spend $400-600 more now and over-spec knowing that the system I'm building will fill my needs for 6-8 years, versus spend less and have to rebuild a new system in 2-4 years.
Hmm. I disagree with this, there's no way I could use 6 yr old hardware. But that's just me. You might not need to be using the current gen to its potential which makes sense. But also not alot of sense. Just imo.
I feel like I usually put together pretty well balanced systems just because I've always been limited by my budget and having to put in the research to figure out the best use of my dollars.
I got very lucky with this custom build being done right now; the price was @ $2250, which is close to the price I paid for the last two rigs, though the GPU's weren't as expensive as now. The rig was priced at $2950 before the discounts, so I'm pretty happy.
Same here... I bought a new system with an i7-12700K, a Gigabyte 3080, 32 Gig DDR4-3600, 2Tb Gen 3 SSD, a 1000 watt PSU, and an MSI Z690 motherboard. It was $2308 after the 4th of July sale discounts. This system will last my 4-5 yrs since I only game at 1440p.
@@Joreel 2k here, too. I bought a curved 1440p monitor and ditched the 4k one when I got the 2080 super two years ago. I like that my rig doesn't take off from the fans revved up to 100% and all my games still look gorgeous.
@@Joreel Had to replace my 2080 during the height of the GPU shortage, only thing available was a 3080Ti for $1500, wasn't the best price, but with my 3900X and 32GB of DDR4 3600CL16 RAM should last me a good while too, gave me a lot more fps at 1440p so I ended up upgrading my monitor from 165Hz to 270Hz
Exactly I will find myself obsessing over the "weakest" part in my gaming rig and scanning Newegg for a upgrade on the cheap. My rig runs like melted butter on glass and I will still be looking at PSU's and RAM or whatever I feel at the time is the "weakest" part. I catch myself now and close the Newegg window before I do anything stupid. lol
The only people who needed this video are those who can't think for themselves or don't watch good quality content to figure this out for yourself. If you actually knew anything you'd be more angry at the amount of misinformation in this video or just straight up wrong information especially when he is talking about Zen which is actually quite funny how little he knows about it even though he uses it but still tries to educate those on it.
Ive been wanting to upgrade to the PCIe 4.0 stuff, but right now it doesnt seem worth it. My rig with a rx580 still runs fine @1080p no heat issues on card. So why even do it?
@@registeredblindgamer4350 thank you for bringing your negativity. I build PCs as a side job and have built about a dozen rigs for people this year. I'd like to think I'm not a noob. I give my advice but ultimately build what the client wants. I've built a $2500 PC and a $1800 PC within a week of each other with similar performance because the first person wanted all white and the most expensive of the brands for similarly performing components as well as a $300 case. The essence of this video is all you need to take from it. Chill. This is TH-cam, not a class you are paying for.
u sure though i have my pc 10 years now. i thought people cared abut enviroment! i bought the biggest baddest desktop system! the vid card came a bit later! bought a 3770k and R9 390X! it is still sufficent. but i will buy the biggest badest intel soon and amd vid card. and go another 10 years. you want me to buy i5 to last me 10 years? naah bro i buy the biggest baddest pc that needs to last 10-12 years
This is spot on. The only counter point I'd offer is there is some value in over building for the purpose of future-proofing. I like to build a little beyond my needs so I (hopefully) can wait longer between upgrades.
This is what drove my purchasing decisions as well I had a 6 core CPU previously, and 16gb of RAM got long in the tooth for me. Upgrading to an 8 core and 32gb would've been fine for most of my uses, but I'd have to nit-pick a year sooner. Stepping up to a 5900x and 64gb of RAM cost me 200€~ on a 3000€ build. Kind of a no brainer
That is the reason I bought a 3090 when I game at 1080p. It means I'll be able to go longer between replacements, plus it will be a massive upgrade to my media/cloud gaming server when I do eventually replace it.
I have three questions I ask my customers when they come to me to custom build a system: 1) How much are you willing to spend? 2) What are you going to use this system for, right now? 3) What are you going to use this system for, 5 years from now? All three questions are self-explanatory for any system builder and the answers are essential to building a system that is balanced. With the advances in technology, the 5 year period has shrunk to 3 years but the principle still applies.
It's a tricky question lately. As the high end of yesterday isn't as good as what buying high end meant at some point. You could grab an i7 2nd Gen and still be good when 6th Gen came out. Now if we take ryzen first Gen and ryzen 5th Gen, the gap is insane. Same for the latest Intel solution, they destroy even the 7700k which was the gaming king. Gpu scale differently, but could we see a big jump this fall? It's a possibility that shouldn't be excluded either. And I tell you that still using a gtx1080 I got as a gift, but that premium card from yesterday could be replaced by an rx6600 for 1080p gaming, which is the entry point of mid range cards on amd side.
Yes, buying the 1080 back in the day. Didn't matter what the rest of your computer was. I would say it was the best buy for the longest lasting or rather, relevent piece of graphics hardware ever. produced. Perhaps a 4870k could be a better buy but it's a different category. I have a 4870 that can run any game I threw at it. Even now. The single core performance on that chip was absurd for the price.
As someone who never truly has extra money to build new PCs, when I think about how much I may need to save for one, I always factor in what I'd actually use the PC for. I try to be practical because I may not do what my "dream PC" could do. Rather, I think about where I should start with it, and if I can upgrade it to the point of a dream build if needed. I plan it for options, but options as a beginner in whatever I want to explore. If I was building a rig for professional use, I'd absolutely spec it for that use, but that's not what I'd be using it for out of the gate. Thinking ahead for what you are gonna use it for will absolutely save you money upfront. TL;DR - Save your money for inflation and emergencies and leave your options open for down-the-road upgrades.
@@Dennzer1 Lol, no worries. I have an AM3+ platform PC - 8350fx cpu, 16GB of 1866MHZ ddr3 ram, RX 570 8GB GPU, with a mix match of three drives that come out to 876GB of storage. It works, but its age has been showing for years now. Grateful for what I have for sure though!
Would like to see a video elaborating further on what you think is your perfect balanced pc for gaming. Which will be the most you’ll need without overspending. Maybe split in to resolution brackets (1080p, 1440p etc)
The video card matters for 1080p gaming and 1440p you can have 10th Gen and up and 2nd Gen ryzen and up and its wouldn't bottle neck just gotta pair parts right it's common sense
And the rtx 3050 and 3060 and 3070 they all perfect for 1080p and 1440p so the 3050 is perfect for 1080p and 3060 and 3060ti are good for 1080p with High fps and some 1440p gaming depending on what's used and then 3070 is good for 1440p and 4k gaming
And you can pair ryzen 5 3600x to any video card and have no issues gaming and ryzen 7 2700x and then 10th Gen intel i5 and up is good for everything as long you got 4 cores and 8 threads your good and any 6600 and above will be good and any 5600xt and above is good for 1080p and up
Good advice that applies to any hobby, like hot-rods. I've built some drivetrains in my head looking at parts catalogs and realized that doing a dial-a-horsepower with a credit card doesn't make for a viable street machine. Balance, the key word which not only saves cash but also makes for an enjoyable machine that will impress when you take it out for a cruise.
Couldn't agree more bud... As a skilled technician in the automotive industry, i see the simple perfection of balance and efficiency overlooked to often. And am constantly reminded that spec'ing out a passenger vehicle in the hopes of creating a super car, is mostly void of the concept initially aimed for. I spent thousands on an R34 skyline, constantly chasing my tail trying to balance each upgrade. Everytime i would make an improvement to one area, it would show the weakness of another. In the end i was left missing what the engineers at nissan had intended and was left feeling the sobering words of my mentor ringing in my ear. (Mechanic/engineer/boss)- "why not just buy a Porsche?".…. On the other hand, there's a satisfying feeling from building something tuned to the task, as I've found with building PC's... A few systems ago. I built an x79 rig with an e5-1680v2 (oc@4.5ghz), custom bios with nvme support (via pcie expansion), 32gb Ram(ddr3@2133mhz cl9)and a 5700xt Strix on a custom vertical mount, that had 40mm fans with 3d printed aero to cool the nvme located behind. An R5 case with 240mm a.i.o and a total of 10 fans (including 2x140mm ek vardar furious 2400rpm high performance fans - that i massively over did it in terms of cooling performance to jet engine thrust) and enough RGB to embarrass the most hardcore rave. All powered by a Corsair hx1200 psu. It was by far the most over kill, out dated and impressively tuned machine I've ever built. And I've built so many machines... But at the time (ryzen 2700x/intel 9900k period) it held its own and provided a consistently capable experience. But building PC's is much cheaper than building hotrods... Just not quite as fun/scary to drag race...
As a 50+ father who got a gaming PC for my daughter, I have to say thank you for all the help providing me the opportunity to make her PC CPU cool with your help! i7 11700F and an RTX 3060
Ever since the AMD Athlon 64 days I've always aimed at the lower end of "high tier" because I find this will get you a decent system for the price - sure you'll have to upgrade faster but by the time you upgrade the previous top spec system is (at best) at the lower end of high tier and both systems probably wouldn't have cost you the price of the new one when you got the first system, so now you have 2 systems instead of one and possibly have saved money or got extras.
I think getting a decent PSU is an important decision. I used to work at a computer electronics store and whenever someone came in for a build, they would always choose a bottom of the barrel PSU that almost doesn't meet the requirements of the system. I would always recommend a decent PSU that can also grow with your system along with the case. I'm not saying get a 1000watt PSU but somewhere around 700-800watt and an 80+ bronze rating at least to save money. The PSUs my clients were choosing are the ones that come without a box and wrapped in plastic. Those are fine for maybe an office computer.
I wouldn't even trust those for an office computer. An 80+ bronze I would trust for an office computer. 80+ gold or better for a home PC just for the reliability.
Hi Jay.. Can you make a general video of matched sets of processor-gpu-ram-monitor recommendations.. This might be better than making build guides at 500/1000/1500 dollars
360hz monitor r7 5800x3d 3060 or higher 1080p 144hz ryzen 5 5500 rtx gtx 1660 super or higher 1080p 240hz ryzen 7 5700x rtx 3060 or higher 1440p 144hz ryzen 5 5600x rtx 3060ti or higher 1440p 240hz r7 5700 rtx 3070 or higher 4k 144hz ryzen 7 5800x rtx 3080 or higher Of course these recomendations depend on what games you play, if you play esports titles I would sugest you get the r7 5800x3d it is $460 and gan get +300fps on 1080p on most esports titles If you play gpu heavy games like ark, cyberpunk, days gone (fantastic game btw), etc. You also can think of it like this, do you like a game better at 1440p med settings or at 1080p max🤷♂️ or something like that, you also have to think about if you want to have lower settings and higher fps or higher settings and lower fps🤷♂️ I personly can not game at 70 fps or below it just hurts to my eyes. You also have to put the different screens in mind one costs more than the other. Hope this comment helped you awser youre question.
@@pippingym nice... So just like the video you don't really need anything more than 3060ti unless your monitor can handle it too or you want to crank some settings.. Thanks for taking the time
@@vivekvs1992 If you play normal games like AAA stuff and have a 1440p 240hz monitor you need a 3080 or higher and a 5800x 3d or a high end Alder Lake cpu and even then you won't often max out the fps to such a high level. If you play on a much lower fps range then you can buy a cheaper system. If you play at 4k then you need a top end gpu full stop and the cpu is less important due to lower fps.
I've only made the mistake of buying the best of the best for one system, a laptop...and though it was amazing for years, it really isn't worth it. The last few systems I've gotten have been middle-high end, like i7/R7 CPUs and xx70 series GPUs, skipping a couple generations each upgrade.
I've been a sucker for the '80 series. From the 580 to 680, 780 to 980ti, 1080ti to the 2080 ultra I'm using now, and a custom build being done now with a 3080/12700k/32GB ddr4 3733 xmp ram and the very unnecessary 2TB NVMe SSD. All picked for future-proofing except the 3080( 10GB) card which will likely get upgraded within the next two or three years.
agreed, i made this mistake with my latest build back in march. 12th gen had just launched and i had a friend talk me into geting an intel 12400. Havent really had any problems with it, works just fine and runs cool, but ik i couldve gotten something better from a previous gen, and since i didnt even go with DDR5 for RAM feels like a wasted abit of my budget on the 12400 just because it was "new". but hey we live and learn, and regardless was still a massive upgrade from my last system. And im still running a overclocked 1050 Ti just because it still works and prices havent been worth it yet to upgrade for my specific situation.
@@pandometer4748 I’d say that was actually the smart buy. 12th gen IPC advanced well and ddr5 memory was/is pricey with almost zero performance difference. You’ll be able to upgrade GPUs for a number of generations and not be bottlenecked on that CPU/platform. Then when you finally need a better CPU a long time from now you should be able to get a 13600/13900K for a good price and as they’ll be quite few years old but will still work for you.
@@pandometer4748 12400 is better than i9 11900k in my book so you have win in the long run but I was thinking you were regretting for not getting 12600k cause this was more future proof for win 11, but 12400 is the best bang for buck and much much better than 10th and 11th gen high end cpus
This makes me even more content with my MSI GS66. I got the i7-11800h, RTX 3060, 1Tb SSD, and 16g DDR4. The Nvme has a 2nd slot and the ram is expandable to 64g. Since i dont game or do 3d rendering that will handle the graphic design and content creation i wanna do with it. Ill probably expand the nvme and put a 1 or 2 Tb in the 2nd slot and up the ram to 32g that way i dont have issues editing videos but thats all ill probably need to do going forward. Thanks for the info Jay.
RAM is something, you never can have enough. But its somewhat "shocking" that especially RAM becomes like ... idk, I remember still when I had "alot of RAM" with 4GB, actually my first upgrade was from 256 MB to 512 MB - now I recently bought a new Laptop with a 1TB Storage on it and 16GB RAM and I starting to realize "Yeah, in two years 32GB will be needed, 16GB can run out nowadays even with some MatLab & Firefox already.".
@@DaroriDerEinzige I've got 64GB and I've been able to max it out a few times already. Only one of the times I maxed it out was while gaming and running the server on my PC at the same time
@@DaroriDerEinzige I wont even give it that long before the 32g upgrade. I might go for the full 64 even if i can afford it when im ready that way im sort of future proofed for my laptop. Beyond that in 2 years ill build a desktop of i need to upgrade.
I made a small video game on Unreal Engine 5 AND an untra realistic render of a swamp (also on unreal engine 5) all on a 5600x and a 3060ti with 16gb of ram. The only thing I would’ve enjoyed was more VRAM and RAM for faster rendering. Wouldn’t change the $180 CPU… do your research and saved yourself hundreds or even thousands of dollars.
The 5600 non-x I have has been a killer upgrade over the previous 2600 I had, mainly for emulation or other CPU intensive tasks. I've hardly ever even come close to fully maxing it out either, whereas with the 2600 it would regularly sit at 60-80% under the same situations. I recently got a 3060 Ti finally as well, and that was also a massive leap forward over the RX 580 I used for almost 3 years.
I have definitely overspec'd my PC, but it's because I want a seemless experience. I want to be able to run wallpaper engine, have some internet tabs open, play Spotify, stream, and my game all at the same time with no slowdown. Do I need that at all times? No. Is it useful sometimes and for some games? Yes.
Yeah, personally, I rrarely find the time to really enjoy my gaming pc, but when I do? I do NOT want the hardware to be a limitation or bottleneck on anything. I just want to be able to not think about it, turn up game settings to max, and not event have to close other apps so I can just switch back and forth seemlessly
I got me a 5800x with a 3080 and a 1440p 165hz monitor and honestly it feels perfect for me. I could have gone lower spec, but I waited for deals on each item (besides gpu of course) so I wasn't spending as much, and it feels good knowing I won't have to upgrade for years.
I love watching you specifically for those crazy top-end builds. Personally, I will never have the money or need for something like that so it's fun to live vicariously through you. For me, a middle-of-the-road build is just fine because I will use it till it can't take me any further. Hell till last week I was still running a Ryzen 2600, GTX 1080, and 16 GB of RAM on a B450. Just upgraded to 32GB of RAM and a Ryzen 5600X because I noticed my PC getting sluggish while saving up for a new graphics card and a PSU that can handle it since mine is only a 650W gold.
I probably seriously overspecced my new tower last year when I built it, going a 5950X, a 1Kw PSU and 64GB of RAM. Until I starting playing with 3D and recoding my entire media library to HEVC to make a HUGE space saving on the plex server. Pretty sure that those parts have absolutely paid for themselves in the saved time just on the encoding alone. And going an overkill PSU at the time meant I could just drop in the 3090ti I bought this tax time straight in and know that the PC could cope. Is it overkill for what I want? Sure. I don't game on it at all really, I play on PS5 for most of my gaming. But those other tasks, it does them great, it does them fast. And I know it's gonna run brilliantly for the next 5 or 6 years until I get the urge to upgrade it. My last tower went 12 years before I built this new one. All of it was nice to haves, but I had the spare money to spend on the project.
Really great video. One anecdote I have is my current monitor. I shelled out a bunch of money for a predator x38 ultrawide monitor with all the bells and whistles and I find so many games that have issues with the scaling/stretching and if I could go back I'd have just gotten a normal 16:9 monitor so I could enjoy games the way devs optimize for. And I think this experience has shown me that the way a game is made is for people on average hardware and adding in support for edge cases or etc happens after the game is done.
Yeah ive been looking in the TV market for a good one because everything gaming is this stupid curved "1:380" panels, i also want watch movies sometimes:/
@@4450krank yeah that is a problem with monitors all being curved now it's either curved gaming monitor or flat low fps office monitor there is no flat gaming monitors anymore
You're saying the opposite of what everybody recommends. You need threadripper with a 3090 ti to play games. If you can't get 200-300 FPS in 4K your system's not worth anything. I think the balance of the system is extremely important and personally if you can get 60 FPS and every game that you play that's good. older hardware still works you don't need top of the line equipment to enjoy a game.
Im still on a 3570k with a 660Ti but I ONLY play CS:GO and maybe other easy to run game, thats why I havent upgraded, no need if I get 200+fps in the only game I play. I would love to have a 12900k but it would be a waste of money and hardware, an i3 with any modern gpu is more than enough for my use.
who claims u need that i dont claim that linus dont gamers nexus dont and every vs benchmark u watch u can see that when jumping to more then 8 cores u can see a fps drop no matter the gpu
I literally just reminded myself of this recently. I had realized I had enough random spare parts sitting around to slap together a back up PC/cheap entry level gamer to sell on FB market. it had an i5 4690k, rx 480 4gb, 16 gb ddr3 2300, 512 gb sata ssd. I downloaded Apex Legends so that I could take it for a spin and check temps, make sure everything was working correctly etc. Next thing I knew 2.5 hours had gone by and I had completely forgotten that I was testing out a 6-8 year old system. I was really surprised and impressed by the level of performance. It was hitting 100-120 fps average 1080p Apex Legends. I enjoyed myself so much that I decided to leave the PC hooked up and game on it for a while, reminded me of when I first got back in to PC gaming and was happy if I could just average 60 fps 1080p. Funny how perception can change so dramatically as your mind adapts to your current circumstance.
32gig RAM to me is the minimum to cut down on the use of the cache file on the main drive and at that point it does not use it as heavily. RAM is cheap, data recovery is expensive.
This, one of my buddies was having issues with just basic background tasks and gaming, he was at 15.6gb of ram used. He was having stuttering and juttering, another 16gb of ram and no more issues. He was also now using almost 19gb of ram.
@@MistakenMedia087 Windows 10 takes huge amounts of ram, with it i often got issues with ram getting full on 16GB. On windows 7 or linux i need much less ram for doing exact same things, 16GB was never too little.
As a engineer working with CAD unless the user is working with massive files. Simply double VRAM capacity in system RAM, & round up to the next standard size kit. It works very well there is not significant speed advantage to more memory speed/timings are more important.
I did overspec this one time - I just wanted to experience what top tier felt like. Yeah - would not do it again. very little return for investment as you go higher. Sweet spot is always in the middle somewhere :)
I dunno, I bought a 980Ti six years ago when it was the top-of-the-line, and I'm still thoroughly satisfied with it. I feel like if I hadn't splashed for the top-of-the-line card back then, I would have felt an acute need to upgrade long before now, but as it is I can still get playable frame rates in the latest games with high-to-ultra settings at my monitor's native resolution, and that's good because money's a lot tighter these days than it was when I bought it.
@@bartolomeothesatyr If you buy a 3080 rn you are probably gonna last just as long or even longer since games nowadays are more or less created around the console more than it was before (We can thank the last 2 year terrible GPU market which shift even more focus on console). This means that it should be unlikely to have a drastic increase in hardware requirement in the near future. The PS5 and X box has an equivalent of a 5700xt in them so anything like the 3080 and above should last a long time unless you are going to 4k or RT. This is not to mention upsampling techniques too which should make these cards last even longer.
When I retire my gaming rig which I typically do over spend on. I don't have regrets that I did when I re purpose it for some kind of home server use. Always been happy when I turn it into a nas, plex or whatever server. That extra headroom provides options and runs smoother. It feels like less of a waste when I'm getting another use and extending the life of the build as something else.
I just picked up a 5900X for $338 with Amazon's Prime Day, came from an 8700k (Which I really had no reason to upgrade), but.... uh, for that price. How could I not?! Probably will go down as my deal of the century.
Thank you soooo much. I'm in the process of getting a build spec'd out. My son wants to built a PC, which I've never done. The last couple minutes of this video gave me some great insight and direction for his gaming PC.
I went overboard on my build back in March because I never built my own PC before and wanted top of the line stuff. It’ll serve me well for years to come.
Love my 3300x and 5700XT combo! They are awesome for running the games that I personally enjoy. Of course I play older games as that's my taste, but I can still keep up with modern games to play with my friends
I'm in IT. I'm a hardware nerd. I'd like to see some "optimized" builds. Like you, I've seen people looking at $4k laptops or building a gaming PC and they absolutely wanted a 3090 level card. I've had to tell them to hold on, they're going overkill and save money here and there to use for a better moniter or accessories. I think use case a 3080ti is top speck in home unless you're using it for niche cases such as doing game mods or VFX. AMD's 3DX or an i7 12700k. RAM is one of the biggest mysteries for the normal person.
I have no regrets purchasing a 3090 as I do everything in 4k as lower resolutions are irrelevant for me. I probably could got away with a 3080Ti, but but that 3090 will give me the extra bump that I need for the next 5 years just a bit better.
@@jamesm568 You're not using that much VRAM while gaming. What you want is clock speed on the GPU for loading and up keep with the on screen action. That aside you have to get a monitor to match the display port output bandwith, which is 32Gbs for the Displayport 1.4a on the 3090. UHD 4k@120htz isn't cheap, you'll want OLED or QD-OLED if image quality is the goal.
Stupid 64gig ram is useless unless you use editing software edit and render 4k or 8k videos . My cpu barely uses 30 watts and goes upto 35% usage Far cry 6 when i run my cpu barely uses 30%
@@impaler_ferhan 64GB of ram is not stupid, even without doing anything you mentioned my ram uses hovers around 30-42GB used, couple years ago I upgraded from 16 to 64 GB of ram, and it was a huge improvement as not having to deal with so much stuff being paged, RAM is one of those things that you can't really benchmark, and get the feel of the improvement of it is, it's something you have to just use every day and understand how it makes your experience better, because no number system, or fresh benchmarking install is every going to be the same as a year after year of using the same system .
I have done this twice only built two computers and then left Pc gaming for a couple years. I just wish I realized before I finished my new rig but I had a guy on Reddit say to me when I was building my water loop “it looks like you are going on google and buying the best of whatever part that doesn’t work” he was really nice and explained it to me. But I laughed as soon as I read that comment because when I don’t know what I am doing but I am building something that is exactly what I do. It was a big help with my water cooling I hope it sticks going forward
I usually buy high-end, but I also don’t upgrade for close to 6 or 7 years. I like it this way because, when I upgrade 6 years later, I get to be awestruck at the hardware improvements. But I think it is important for people to know how long they want their PC to last them.
ever since i can remember, nvidias x70 cards were always a good sweetspot, now that there is a x90 sku i feel like 70 - 80 might still be king for most gamers.
@@Bamfhammer of course. when this thinking came to be, no one was using a 4k display. right now i am using 3x 2560x1440p 170Hz monitors and i think i should get a x80 sku or equivalant.
@@XemnasTM I dont do graphic design work either, but the detail at 4k on a 32" monitor is unmatched. I tried moving back to UWQHD and it was just not the same.
Just my two cents on the RAM. I have 32 gigs of RAM in my system and i can only have 2-3 Photoshop documents open with light room in the background before I max my ram. Sometimes it’s not all about wether you need it or not sometimes it’s just a ease of use so I don’t have to close out those tab because I may not be done with that photo or document but I don’t want to work on it at that moment.
Whenever I have bought the cheaper option after lots of soul searching ….. I have revisited and gone back for the better option and ended up selling the ‘cheaper’ one at a loss - lol - I do think with many things you quite simply get what you pay for if you research it properly and don’t buy features you do not need and would not use.
i would not really call them a trap. resolution? maybe. but refresh rate? no. i would literally prefer to stop gaming alltogether over playing something with 60fps
@@MadWatcher just wondering... do you call people ''aspect ratio snobs'' because they used to play games at 4:3 20 years ago? what about ''optical mouse snob'' ? people used to use ball mice at one time? what about ''anti cd drive snobs'' or ''floppy drive snobs'' if people dont wanna use these anymore? you re aware that time moves forward and 144hz is the norm nowadays?
I've been building PC's as a pastime hobby since I was a kid, so probably for 15-18 years now, and I help people build PC's all the time. Something I always ask is "What are you going to do with your PC" followed by a budget, and go on from there. (If they play any games -> Which games -> Which display size/type they prefer -> etc.) When it comes to picking components is either selecting higher-end components from a previous generation, or lower-end components from a current generation. I most often pick the latter. This is to make upgrades further down the line easier if it becomes relevant, with less expenditure on overhauling the system. (Buying a new motherboard to fit a new CPU, for example.) I just recently upgraded from a Ryzen 5 2600 -> 5600X. All I needed was a BIOS update and I was set. A tip is to avoid going overkill, or cheaping out on any particular components. Try balancing the budget on the parts as they are needed. Also, never cheap out on a power supply, it's a seriously bad idea...🙄
I usually go for something like...."the best product in the Mid-tier". does that make sense? never buy the expensive stuff, always find the sweet spot.
Next gen worries me. The 12900k can have issues with standard coolers, making something like the 12700k and especially the 12600k look better for any gamer with "average" cooling. If this gets worse, we're all screwed lol. AMD is lower power...just for now, if raising power limits let's them win overall...they'll do it.
AMD already has cooling issues with singlecore boost. Even with a 280mm AIO it can get upto 95°C on that SINGLE core. Stock it boosts to 5Ghz on 1.5V. I changed it manually to a fixed 4,2Ghz@1.1V on all cores and suddenly my CPU not only >30°C cooler, but also uses 30W less power, while loosing 10-15% singlecore performance. On Multicore I GET 10% more performance compared to stock. BTW Multicore with 142W stock limit by CPU only gets 65°C on 100% multicore load.
standard coolers hell i have a 360aio from msi and I've seen 80c+ on a 12900k i will admit i was running cyberpunk with every setting maxed so cpu was maxed same with gpu but even no my cpu raid is the only air in take my gpu was cooler. i have played with game settings and fan curves and now i have it down to 60 to 70c wile playing with it being 30c+ in my room 60 is only 30c more witch is not bad wile gaming. me need ac badly uk was not made for this heat lol
@@ORBIT9224 Imagine how the power draws will increase when the majority have a/c installed in their homes; either box units or whole-house, you'll start seeing US-sized increases. Not going to help the climate as this rate. Guess I'll just have to hope my kids/grandkids can manage in the future; I sure didn't do much to aid them, as if I could change all of society.
@@trog69 im not likely to have kids unless im lucky. the only people i have had any feelings for live in the usa and me and my girlfriend are both 30. I have tryed every job other than driving and i can not handle it. i went to work for a warehouse for a year every day i would sit in my car before i had to go in and have a mental brake down then when i got home i also had a mental brake down. It got so bad everyone i new told me to quite and that same thing happens every time. driving is the only thing that claims me down but truck lesson take a lot of money and van jobs deal with way to many people to keep be stable. so even if i move my ass and save better im looking at lest 40 years old before i get to the usa and with heart problems on both sides of my family im likely to die in my 60s. my grandad was not even 60 before he died.
I'm still running a ryzen 5 2600 with an nvidia 1660 super gpu, I've only recently upgraded to 32gb ddr4 3600 ram though I've had to underclock the memory speed as it kept crashing. Yet it still plays fine with most games at 1080p. I'll soon be upgrading to perhaps a lower end X570 mobo or a b550 one, a ryzen 5 5600x or ryzen 7 5700x cpu, and I'm torn between an amd rx6700xt, rx6750xt, or an nvidia rxt3070 gpu depending how prices keep falling. I never go high end or newest. Money down the drain.
I built my first ever PC in Feb of this year with almost zero knowledge, with just a small amount of info i got from this channel and LTT, and i was over the moon when you broke down the "ideal" build as it was exactly mine, Msi z590 gaming force mobo, corsair 850 gold, i711700k, 3070ti founders, wd black nvme, lian li fans, corsair 240 aio, and 32gn of corsair vengeance ram. just know your videos have really helped me, as I was terrified to leave my series x, and now its just a netflix machine haha
I spec systems for friends, and recently a friend in DESPERATE need of a new system had me spec one for them, after looking at budget, reviews, and usage. i put her in a 12700K 16gigs DDR5 (for future upgradability), a 3080 and a 512 boot drive with a 2TB "misc" drive with a Noctua cooler, i view that as balance, hell my favorite system i ever built was a 3570K, 670gtx, 32gig box that lasted me until 2019 (built it in 2012) and it was only showing it's age in the last 2 years of it's life. generally if you go "one tier" down from the halo you'll end up with a 5-6 year build without an issue
This is something I always have to explain to people when I'm helping them build their PCs... or when they are bragging and trying to ruin the sales of other people in FB groups. Idk about other places, but here in Colombia, in every PC Building group you would always find that subgroup of people who claimed "The only ones who use AMD are those who can't afford an Intel CPU" and would always try to push that idea even when AMD was obliterating Intel. You could see them claiming that Intel has the fastest gaming CPU (i9 9900K iirc). Below I9's everything was dominated by AMD, but they would always start an argument and make fun at people who used Ryzen 5 or Core i5 because they were poor ands thus their opinions didn't matter and that the 5% more performance in games they got was worth those extra 400USD (which was the equivalent to 1.5 minimum wages here back then). After a while we were able to ban them from those groups. But the point is that there are always STUPID people who just like to spend more for nothing, just to brag. Back then I struggled to simply get a RX 5500 XT (not the smartest purchase, but given the way import taxes work here, it actually made sense). Right now I can easily get a top of the line system in 2-3 months but I'm still using a ryzen 5 5600 (Upgraded from a R5 2600 when the 5600 went under 200USD), a RX 6600 XT, 16GB of RAM (planning on upgrading to 32GB, 16GB are sometimes not doing it when I'm testing some apps I'm developing for android). I don't need more than that. I'm underutilizing my GPU except when I play Ark: Survival Evolved. If it wasn't for that game I would probably still be using my old GPU. I don't get anything by moving to Ryzen 7 or 9 right now as the more CPU-demanding tasks I'm performing (compiling code) would just take like 10s less if I upgraded, which is nothing.
There's a sad trend of clout chasers who blow all their money on their first build, not my issue, they learn the hard way that computers always get exponentially better, you can see the first generation of them listing their old builds with dual 1080s that can be outperformed now by a computer that costs the same as one of the cards did
Based on the title, I expected a slightly different direction. I've been using halo-tier motherboards for several generations, but the last two ASUS boards have given me so many weird problems, that a more commonly sold model would likely give me a better experience, because they are better tested and they receive more BIOS bug fixes. I'm still being stubborn so far, but reliability is crap for my current Crosshair VIII Extreme. Ethernet randomly disconnects, requiring a reboot. After a BIOS update the ethernet disappeared for several days. The OLED display almost never works, M.2 randomly vanishes when run on PCI-e 4.0, etc. etc.
16gb is barely enough nowadays. Graphic Designer here and I recently upgraded from 16gb. I'd open up photoshop and that alone would bring my use up to 80%+ on it's own. 32GB def opened up the room and now lets me run After Effects much smoother. Also I play Warzone which is a BR and takes a lot of CPU. My 4800H Bottlenecks even my RTX 2060 so balancing really is important.
Anyone else pause the video to walk away and come back to see the most interesting Jay face?? hahaha Jay always knows how to make a day great! Thanks Jay!
Long, long ago, I read an article or opinion piece in a computer magazine (remember when that was a thing?). It pointed out that if you buy more powerful gear, you could hold onto it longer without upgrading, thus saving money. However, if you bought the absolute latest and greatest thing, you were paying a big premium, plus you had to deal with early adopter headaches. Thus, it argued that you were better off buying stuff that was one step down from the top. That gave you headroom for future-proofing without the early adopter premium or stability headaches. If you play Civilization on "huge" maps, then late in the game, there are tons of units, tons cities, each with tons of buildings, and yes, you absolutely benefit from having lots of RAM and lots of cores. I can verify this as I play on huge maps and tend to take my sweet time reaching victory (science victories just take more turns). On the other hand, if you play on smaller maps and go for military victories (e.g. domination), then you can absolutely get away with less. But as I said, if you play on a huge map and reach a high turn count, a weaker system will be brought to its knees, and a higher power GPU isn't really very important. Even though I have an RTX 3080, I generally run it at 20 FPS so that the fans are quieter and my computer produces less heat. Yes, scrolling is buttery smooth if I don't limit the frame rate, but it just doesn't matter for a turn-based strategy game. BTW, if you play on huge maps, you'll also benefit from faster storage, at least when loading a game.
Yes I play Civilization VI a lot and also mod the game and on a i5-9600KF @ 5.2 GHz and a i7-8086K @ 5.3 GHz with 32 GB DDR4-3200 once you reach turn 100 it takes over a minute to calculate each turn so the game really becomes super CPU intensive on big maps with a lot of civilizations. I'm willing to bet that even if you had a 13900KS running at 6 GHz per core or a Ryzen 9 7950X running at 6 GHz per core with DDR5 6400 memory it would still take way over 30 seconds per turn. You practically need an optical quantum super computer to run Civilization VI to even reach turn 200. I don't know if this is because the AI is just that complex or because the game is just really badly made although I'm betting it's the latter since older Civilization games had pretty advanced AI engines as well as do many other 4X games and none even come close to using this much CPU and there are tons of bugs in the game.
Jay. None of this applies to VR. I am hitting vram, gpu, and about 80% overall CPU usage on a 5900x. Please. Stop. Making. Such. Generic. Comments. Because Then I have to go back to the gamers that I play with on particular Sim racing games and tell them they’re wrong because they heard your TH-cam video and feel that you are an authority and are 100% correct all of the time
I'll probably go for the next gen 3D vcache CPU when it appears, by then DDR5 should be priced properly and we know better how power inefficient the new nVidia GPU is, if AMD is the better choice. At most going for 4070 equivalent GPU to avoid the "high end GPU price tax" so I can just upgrade the card more often. Ideally going small form factor, but that may not be up to me if next gen GPU requires a nuclear power plant to run. Maybe just give next gen GPU a miss until power efficiency is a focus again.
The price of DDR5 isn't the problem it's the huge latency's. In another year or two it will be or should be near what DDR4 was/is when it came out. High end low latency DDR4 is pretty much the same if not better than most all DDR5 UNLESS there's some niche reason you absolutely need DDR5. I plan on getting the new 13th gen and I didn't bother getting a DDR5 mobo because most latency's are like 30-36+ which is silly. I bought 32gb 4000mhz CL14 instead and a DDR4 Z690 board to go with my hybrid 3090 ti ftw3
I feel like my system is a great middle ground. Ryzen 7 5800x, Radeon RX 6800XT, 32GB (4 x 8GB) of DDR4 3600MHz RAM 1TB 4th Gen M2 Boot and 1TB 3rd Gen M2 scratch drive. 1000W 80+ Gold PSU. I don't plan on upgrading any time soon.
Great advice, balancing for specific purpose can really help. I've build and speced rigs for almost all my friends and family. The main question is what do you need it for? On the other side I overspeced the f**k out of mine 11 years ago, why? Because I hate to change it and I am still using it despite it showing age restrictions :D i7 2600K 4.1GHz all core , originally Radeon HD 6850 / currently Nvidia GTX 970, originally Corsair 90GB ssd/ now samsung 860 EVO 500GB, 4TB(2+2) WD HDDs ; 16GB kingston 1600MHz RAM. It works like a charm and helped me trough all y career swings :D From C/C++/C# programmer trough Technical artist ,photo editing and motion graphics :D Probably would spec a new one next year :P
I personally disagree with your 16gb ram recommendation. I tend to lay heavy with chrome tabs and then pull up a game and easily go over 16gb of ram used. With how cheap ddr4 ram has gotten 32 was the only choice after being stuck with 16gb on a laptop and constantly maxing it out.
I used to always go for the absolute most expensive of each component….finally came to my senses a couple of weeks ago and bought exactly what I needed for a 1440 to 4k gaming rig….my wallet is much happier now! 😎
I just purchased a custom-build. I was all set on a 3080ti/12900k. Finally realized I would probably be upgrading the GPU in two years and I only need great 1440p graphics, plus I found out the i9 was way overshoot. Settled on an 12700k/3080 10GB/32GB 3733 ram/2TB NVMe SSD. Paid about the same as the 6700k/1080ti build seven-year-old rig I'm on now.
One of my ex coworker would tell me to buy the 3080TI FE whenever it appeared on Best Buy. I was like nope. I am contempt with the 3060 as it had 12gb of ram for a lower price point. Plus, I had no plans of doing anything over 1080p as my screens are 1080p. Heck, I was pretty okay with using the 3050 for my lower spec rigs.
Great video. It's refreshing to see some one talk about Not needing the best of the best. Maybe there needs to be a few more videos showing the optimal hardware combonations for each use purpose.
I am currently experiencing this with my rig. It was my first build and I went in with no experience and a ton of research. At the time, the 12 series JUST came out and DDR5 was totally unattainable. Your channel helped me out a TON! My use case is 3D modeling (C4D)/ After Effects and some gaming. I used a LOT of my savings for this. I went for the best I could find: Intel 12900k/ Asus GEForce RTX TUF 3090/Asus z690A D4/4x16GB D4 4266 GSkill Trident Z Royal/NZXT Kraken z63 AIO/ Lian Li O11XL/ Lian Li Uni case fans x7 Unfortunately, although Asus mobo specs appeared compatible with my memory, I’ve run into dram post fails on soft reboots and EVEN windows crashing with too many explorer, Firefox, or chrome tabs open- all because I didn’t realize 4266 does not play well with my mobo (and I bought two sets of identical 2x16gb which is a no-no). I ruled out physical/seating errors (A/B lanes too), memtest86 came back with perfect results. It’s terrible because it’s affecting my other pristine parts- I thought best is better! SO this video TOTALLY resonated with my own circumstances. 🥹🥹 While I work through this issue, to anyone else who is thinking of building: build for your use case THEN around the ecosystem of the parts you have (as in, compatibility). Glhf 😭👌💯
I really do think he's got the price mixed up with the 12900K. I too have noticed in every vid that he mentions the 5800X3D he says it's $600 when it's not nor ever was.
@@tallguysix8 It was $350 this morning on Amazon. I think it's back up to $400 right now. Put it in your list and keep an eye on it as the price is constantly changing on it. The 5950X might be cheaper at the moment.
The amount of RAM also depends on the number of cores you have when it comes to VMs. No point in allocating 64BG of ram to a single VM that only gets 2 physical cores.
Good content. Coming from someone who started building pc's back when you bought RAM by the megabyte, please do not fall into the youtube/influencer trap of building everything bigger than it will ever need to be. Too many people will watch and take it as the gospel. As you said, a properly spec'ed machine for the task will always be better.
man, the good ol' days when i played Diablo on a 2MB voodoo graphics card, a 266MHz AMD K6 CPU (maybe K7 can't remember after all these years) and 32MB RAM.
@@jpteknoman the 266 was the K6 :) I can remember my first pc and it was an intel pentium 266MHz thingie xD My upgrade years later was the Pentium 3 Coppermine with 866MHz it was like I needed a seat belt. Now I'm running a CPU which runs almost at 5GHz on all 8 cores, more RAM than HDD back in the days ...gee those times ^^
This is part of why I love small form factor builds, it's hard to over spec when the best you can fit in a tiny box is about top of mid range. If I weren't into AI I wouldn't even need very much vram, and if that ever becomes an issue, I can always rent a gpu server for a few days for like $15. People spend so much time and money on components that they will never use.
January last year 2021, i built my gaming use only rig with i5-10400F, TUF RTX 3080, MSI M.2 Spatium 2TB, 16GB ram, its quite balanced for 1440p max settings for around 120-160 fps (game dependent) and i think it will last me for many years to come
As someone who has only had a PC capable of playing the games I do for about a year now and who knows not much about computers this post is awesome. My dad use to be a great source of info when he was in the military but since retirement he's no longer around the computer geniuses so we are both flying blind when it comes to what would make a good gaming PC or good PC in general.
There's one small caveat to this. If you are using accessibility equipment like eye tracking technology and specialized controllers with their own programming you are going to need more CPU and more GPU power. It's unfortunate but none of it is optimized yet and just tanks performance
Nice, the PC Jay described as a best current use case computer matches the one I bought this spring. I7 12000, 3070 TI, 32 GB RAM, 240mm AIO. I am on a five year upgrade plan myself - which is to say I buy myself a custom build PC every five years and rotate through my families' computers/laptops on a similar upgrade schedule. A channel like this helps me keep informed and make good buying decisions based upon quality and price. Maybe when it is my turn, I will build my next PC myself and save a lot more money.
My rig consists of a 12600k and a 3080 with 32GB of ram., this is my first build and I’m really happy with it. Sometimes I think I should’ve went with a 12700k but the 12600k works just fine.
About the same, 3080-3700X-32g...it go gud. Almost went for 3090 but even at msrp, too much money for too little improvement (10-20 fps in most benchmarks). I still think the original 3080 is the Goldilocks card.
4 year build project. First config: i5-9600k, 16GB 3000 CL15, RX580 8GB. Then upgraded memory to 32 GB 3200 CL16. 3 weeks ago bought XFX SWFT RX 6800 XT. Using 32" 1440p 144Hz curved panel. Now i'm done, until "NextGen" becomes affordable. Love how i use less energy in rocket league locked at 144fps, unlike before, i barely reached 144.
Ryzen 5 5600X and GTX 1650 Super work’s beautiful for me. I use my PC like a console on a 4K TV and can even get some games to play in 4K HDR with no issue. Newest game I have, F1 22, plays at 90-120 FPS in 1080p upscaled to full screen on my TV. I’m in no rush to upgrade my GPU right now.
@JayzTwoCents, we do pre-construction 3d modeling and coordination at the firm I work for and we do not use any of the GPUs put out for gaming in our systems. They are all Quadros. A workstation geared towards the type of modeling we do is a completely different animal compared to a gaming rig for sure. Perhaps a video build of the most balanced/compatible components for a gaming system for the most stable experience is warranted? I mean, it's nice to see all the expensive hot-rod parts and all but what about a build that has components that compliment one another in compatibility that result in a better performance experience?
Making mistakes is not always a bad thing. One of my early PCs got bricked because I installed incompatible SIMMs. It was probably 1MB or something. So I pulled the mobo and desoldered the battery and that allowed the BIOS to reset. What did I learn? Don't try incompatible memory and also, short the battery, don't desolder it. I learned to think more before doing things and to step back and think about the "fix" I plan to do. It was very helpful to screw this up early on when the consequences were small.
Good luck with the renovations Jay. I completely agree with you on how complicated things have gotten with the parts. I had not built a PC since 2000 until I decided to build a new one to replace my latest computer. (I'm not a gamer and I went over to Mac when they moved from OS 9 to OS X, which is based on NextStep which is based on a type of UNIX called BSD. I liked the interface and the fact that if anything was wrong I could go to the command line and fix things as I was familiar with UNIX through my work.) Buying a Mac was very easy as it was a matter of choosing the type of machine (laptop or desktop, size of screen, etc), choosing the level of processor (i3, i5, or i7) and then choosing the amount of RAM and storage. But with the move to their custom ARM processors Apple isn't offering machines that meet my needs without spending much more than I want. When I started looking at buying the parts for my own machine again the choices were overwhelming, especially with graphics cards. It took me a while to get back up to speed so that I could order everything. I found your channel during this time and bought a couple of items, a CPU cooler and power supply, based on your recommendations so thank you. There's no need for all of this confusion, especially when parts with a lower model number outperform parts with a higher model number. I can imagine someone with no experience in computers feeling very intimidated when going computer shopping and having all of these part numbers thrown at them. I built my computer approximately a month ago. It took a few weeks of trying various Linux distributions to find one that is satisfactory enough for now so that I may get on with my work. I'm hoping that most of my dissatisfaction is coming from changing operating systems and will go away with time.
The first step in designing your pc should always be defining the use. in car terms, an economy car (surf the internet), a family hauler (multi-use, light gaming), a sports car(heavy gaming), a utility vehicle (heavy use), a Ferrari (all about image) or a tractor trailer combination (servers). Then chose your CPU, graphics, storage around your use.
When I build systems, I build them for longevity. I don't upgrade very often because what I build doesn't require an upgrade in the short term. My current computer is 10 years old and is rock solid. I upgraded the cooler to a Noctua tower cooler (was using the stock fan at the time), upgraded the hard drives (one "failed" , the other ran out of space), and the video card (the original one died), added a PCIe USB ports (I needed a USB C port). I already spec'd out new parts for my next build. I'm going to start buying parts next month. I'm recovering from c19 and I need time to regain my bearings.
We were so excited to get going on the new office build, we forgot to bake in todays code... so this one is a freebee! Today's giveaway code is "JAYSBADADVICE"
Thank you sir
Thanks Jay. Can't wait to see how the office will look like when it's done
Thank you.
Made the same mistake.
I kept going to "BEST" and "MUST HAVE RGB" ...
(that last one was a huge mistake)
What I found, esspecially with mice, is they that it doesn't matter which tier they are, the buttons will die at the same rate.
So it's better to just buy a fovorite from the Flawless mice list for as cheap as possible and sticking with that.
really not liking the clickbate titles jay who do you think you are linus tech tips.
Unfortunately, my line of work actually requires both high end CPUs and GPUs, so I'm constantly upgrading every generation to shave up to 20 min off hardware simulation/compile time in some cases. The upside is that when you work from home, that high end gaming rig can be written off as a business expense.
That's a cool line of work, what is it?
Also you can sell the things that you upgraded, so it doesn't feel like you put that much more money
aggree! I went from corp employee to a freelancer and the first thing I did was buy a big CPU with fast NVMEs and a lot of RAM being like: "yeah I need that, anyway it's business expenses, let'S also buy a 3080ti, I will be needing for AI" I utilize most of the system while working... except for the GPU as every AI models I use has to run in the cloud XD
Same. Only time it hurts is when theres a huge jump in generation performance, but its expected.
@@Metallica98189 hes lying everybody who writes statements like this they have no job they live at home with their parents and all the user computer for is fortnite
Have you considered doing a chart/pictogram that shows the "Optimal" pairings or builds for things like CPU/GPU/MOBO/RAM?
That would be awesome. Part of the reason people go for highest price/latest as an indicator of quality is because synergy based on use case is so much harder to identify
Please do this Jay. I am racking my brain atm trying to determine the compatibility of certain parts, and pcpartpicker isn’t always accurate in terms of component compatibility.
@@cthxmas7966 I would recommend the manufacturer’s website for the manuals / qualified vendors list and then check tech forums and Reddit and see what other peoples results have been with either similar or the same configuration. Unfortunately being this thorough isn’t a guarantee but I think it would be a really good chance to up the odds of everything playing nice.
@@cthxmas7966 What parts are you struggling with?
We gotta upvote this awesome idea!!!
While I think I technically qualify for "over speccing" my PC Build, I am on a 5 year upgrade cycle vice the 3 year mentioned in this video.. so when I buy/build one, I have to go a little overboard knowing I wont be able to keep up with technological trends as much as the next guy
Same
Most efficient use of funds is buying at peak efficiency gains. Radeon 7000 series is it with multiple stacked dies.
3000 rtx was a good leap with dlss 2.
Ryzen with 680 rdna2 is another leap that's worth it.
DDR5 is also a sweet spot for both amd and Intel. The ecc is very helpful and also the speed increase.
Same. I game on 1080p with 75hz, have been on a 3700x for 3 years and 3060ti for 1.5 years, and plan to keep both for at least 1 to 3 more years, depending on the market.
Same here. Built my PC 2 years ago and spent a fortune on it. I won't put another penny in it or a new build for 4-6 years. Would love to have a top line GPU but not gonna give them a buck simply out of pure spite.
Ditto. Last build was a 4790k and it carried me as far as it possibly could until it just couldn't do enough single-core performance for what I needed. Replaced it with a 5950x. I don't have the free time to be tinkering all the time on a faster upgrade cycles. There is also the issue of e-waste, I also don't need a bunch of parts lying around, and resell is a hassle to me. I do demote the replaced system to HTPC duty. Notably, I've had a CLC run fine for 10 years, and Corsair replaced some lifetime warranty ram 7-8 years in.
The thing you also have to remember though is that your use case may change with time - and technology advances with time. Personally, I'd rather spend $400-600 more now and over-spec knowing that the system I'm building will fill my needs for 6-8 years, versus spend less and have to rebuild a new system in 2-4 years.
Agreed. As long as you do an optimized over-spec.
Hmm. I disagree with this, there's no way I could use 6 yr old hardware. But that's just me. You might not need to be using the current gen to its potential which makes sense. But also not alot of sense. Just imo.
I feel like I usually put together pretty well balanced systems just because I've always been limited by my budget and having to put in the research to figure out the best use of my dollars.
I got very lucky with this custom build being done right now; the price was @ $2250, which is close to the price I paid for the last two rigs, though the GPU's weren't as expensive as now. The rig was priced at $2950 before the discounts, so I'm pretty happy.
Same here... I bought a new system with an i7-12700K, a Gigabyte 3080, 32 Gig DDR4-3600, 2Tb Gen 3 SSD, a 1000 watt PSU, and an MSI Z690 motherboard. It was $2308 after the 4th of July sale discounts. This system will last my 4-5 yrs since I only game at 1440p.
@@Joreel 2k here, too. I bought a curved 1440p monitor and ditched the 4k one when I got the 2080 super two years ago. I like that my rig doesn't take off from the fans revved up to 100% and all my games still look gorgeous.
@@Joreel The only difference in our systems is the PSU. Mine is an EVGA 850w gold.
@@Joreel Had to replace my 2080 during the height of the GPU shortage, only thing available was a 3080Ti for $1500, wasn't the best price, but with my 3900X and 32GB of DDR4 3600CL16 RAM should last me a good while too, gave me a lot more fps at 1440p so I ended up upgrading my monitor from 165Hz to 270Hz
This is something everyone in the PC market needs to hear and a trap I often have to pull myself out of. Thank you!
Exactly I will find myself obsessing over the "weakest" part in my gaming rig and scanning Newegg for a upgrade on the cheap. My rig runs like melted butter on glass and I will still be looking at PSU's and RAM or whatever I feel at the time is the "weakest" part. I catch myself now and close the Newegg window before I do anything stupid. lol
The only people who needed this video are those who can't think for themselves or don't watch good quality content to figure this out for yourself. If you actually knew anything you'd be more angry at the amount of misinformation in this video or just straight up wrong information especially when he is talking about Zen which is actually quite funny how little he knows about it even though he uses it but still tries to educate those on it.
Ive been wanting to upgrade to the PCIe 4.0 stuff, but right now it doesnt seem worth it. My rig with a rx580 still runs fine @1080p no heat issues on card. So why even do it?
@@registeredblindgamer4350 thank you for bringing your negativity. I build PCs as a side job and have built about a dozen rigs for people this year. I'd like to think I'm not a noob. I give my advice but ultimately build what the client wants. I've built a $2500 PC and a $1800 PC within a week of each other with similar performance because the first person wanted all white and the most expensive of the brands for similarly performing components as well as a $300 case. The essence of this video is all you need to take from it. Chill. This is TH-cam, not a class you are paying for.
u sure though i have my pc 10 years now. i thought people cared abut enviroment! i bought the biggest baddest desktop system! the vid card came a bit later! bought a 3770k and R9 390X! it is still sufficent. but i will buy the biggest badest intel soon and amd vid card. and go another 10 years. you want me to buy i5 to last me 10 years? naah bro i buy the biggest baddest pc that needs to last 10-12 years
This is spot on. The only counter point I'd offer is there is some value in over building for the purpose of future-proofing. I like to build a little beyond my needs so I (hopefully) can wait longer between upgrades.
This is what drove my purchasing decisions as well
I had a 6 core CPU previously, and 16gb of RAM got long in the tooth for me.
Upgrading to an 8 core and 32gb would've been fine for most of my uses, but I'd have to nit-pick a year sooner.
Stepping up to a 5900x and 64gb of RAM cost me 200€~ on a 3000€ build. Kind of a no brainer
That is the reason I bought a 3090 when I game at 1080p. It means I'll be able to go longer between replacements, plus it will be a massive upgrade to my media/cloud gaming server when I do eventually replace it.
I have three questions I ask my customers when they come to me to custom build a system:
1) How much are you willing to spend?
2) What are you going to use this system for, right now?
3) What are you going to use this system for, 5 years from now?
All three questions are self-explanatory for any system builder and the answers are essential to building a system that is balanced. With the advances in technology, the 5 year period has shrunk to 3 years but the principle still applies.
It's a tricky question lately. As the high end of yesterday isn't as good as what buying high end meant at some point. You could grab an i7 2nd Gen and still be good when 6th Gen came out. Now if we take ryzen first Gen and ryzen 5th Gen, the gap is insane. Same for the latest Intel solution, they destroy even the 7700k which was the gaming king.
Gpu scale differently, but could we see a big jump this fall? It's a possibility that shouldn't be excluded either. And I tell you that still using a gtx1080 I got as a gift, but that premium card from yesterday could be replaced by an rx6600 for 1080p gaming, which is the entry point of mid range cards on amd side.
Yes, buying the 1080 back in the day. Didn't matter what the rest of your computer was. I would say it was the best buy for the longest lasting or rather, relevent piece of graphics hardware ever. produced. Perhaps a 4870k could be a better buy but it's a different category. I have a 4870 that can run any game I threw at it. Even now. The single core performance on that chip was absurd for the price.
As someone who never truly has extra money to build new PCs, when I think about how much I may need to save for one, I always factor in what I'd actually use the PC for. I try to be practical because I may not do what my "dream PC" could do. Rather, I think about where I should start with it, and if I can upgrade it to the point of a dream build if needed. I plan it for options, but options as a beginner in whatever I want to explore. If I was building a rig for professional use, I'd absolutely spec it for that use, but that's not what I'd be using it for out of the gate. Thinking ahead for what you are gonna use it for will absolutely save you money upfront. TL;DR - Save your money for inflation and emergencies and leave your options open for down-the-road upgrades.
So... what kind of PC do you have, lol (sorry, but I'm now curious )
@@Dennzer1 Lol, no worries. I have an AM3+ platform PC - 8350fx cpu, 16GB of 1866MHZ ddr3 ram, RX 570 8GB GPU, with a mix match of three drives that come out to 876GB of storage. It works, but its age has been showing for years now. Grateful for what I have for sure though!
did i miss the secret code today ?? or there was none ??
I’m wondering the same thing!!
Would like to see a video elaborating further on what you think is your perfect balanced pc for gaming. Which will be the most you’ll need without overspending. Maybe split in to resolution brackets (1080p, 1440p etc)
The video card matters for 1080p gaming and 1440p you can have 10th Gen and up and 2nd Gen ryzen and up and its wouldn't bottle neck just gotta pair parts right it's common sense
And the rtx 3050 and 3060 and 3070 they all perfect for 1080p and 1440p so the 3050 is perfect for 1080p and 3060 and 3060ti are good for 1080p with High fps and some 1440p gaming depending on what's used and then 3070 is good for 1440p and 4k gaming
And you can pair ryzen 5 3600x to any video card and have no issues gaming and ryzen 7 2700x and then 10th Gen intel i5 and up is good for everything as long you got 4 cores and 8 threads your good and any 6600 and above will be good and any 5600xt and above is good for 1080p and up
Just depends what games you play and all that and what settings used
You can always google what you need or what google is powerful tool
Good advice that applies to any hobby, like hot-rods. I've built some drivetrains in my head looking at parts catalogs and realized that doing a dial-a-horsepower with a credit card doesn't make for a viable street machine. Balance, the key word which not only saves cash but also makes for an enjoyable machine that will impress when you take it out for a cruise.
Couldn't agree more bud... As a skilled technician in the automotive industry, i see the simple perfection of balance and efficiency overlooked to often. And am constantly reminded that spec'ing out a passenger vehicle in the hopes of creating a super car, is mostly void of the concept initially aimed for. I spent thousands on an R34 skyline, constantly chasing my tail trying to balance each upgrade. Everytime i would make an improvement to one area, it would show the weakness of another. In the end i was left missing what the engineers at nissan had intended and was left feeling the sobering words of my mentor ringing in my ear. (Mechanic/engineer/boss)- "why not just buy a Porsche?".….
On the other hand, there's a satisfying feeling from building something tuned to the task, as I've found with building PC's... A few systems ago. I built an x79 rig with an e5-1680v2 (oc@4.5ghz), custom bios with nvme support (via pcie expansion), 32gb Ram(ddr3@2133mhz cl9)and a 5700xt Strix on a custom vertical mount, that had 40mm fans with 3d printed aero to cool the nvme located behind. An R5 case with 240mm a.i.o and a total of 10 fans (including 2x140mm ek vardar furious 2400rpm high performance fans - that i massively over did it in terms of cooling performance to jet engine thrust) and enough RGB to embarrass the most hardcore rave. All powered by a Corsair hx1200 psu.
It was by far the most over kill, out dated and impressively tuned machine I've ever built. And I've built so many machines...
But at the time (ryzen 2700x/intel 9900k period) it held its own and provided a consistently capable experience.
But building PC's is much cheaper than building hotrods...
Just not quite as fun/scary to drag race...
Then you get 5 lengths put on you by someone else and go and spend $5k to drag his ass lol
As a 50+ father who got a gaming PC for my daughter, I have to say thank you for all the help providing me the opportunity to make her PC CPU cool with your help! i7 11700F and an RTX 3060
You are a great dad Gary. Baby girl is never going to forget that PC.
That is great! You could build yourself one now too.
@@davidbrennan5 It would be more cool, if his daughter makes a decent PC for her dad!
@@auntiepha8343 will it make forget years of domestic violence and abuse?
@@Davids6994 I think you are in the wrong comment section champ.
I'll just say that I have never regretted, in 25 years of building PCs, bigger storage, CPUs with bigger caches, and more RAM, than is normal.
Ever since the AMD Athlon 64 days I've always aimed at the lower end of "high tier" because I find this will get you a decent system for the price - sure you'll have to upgrade faster but by the time you upgrade the previous top spec system is (at best) at the lower end of high tier and both systems probably wouldn't have cost you the price of the new one when you got the first system, so now you have 2 systems instead of one and possibly have saved money or got extras.
Go back and read those Anandtech review articles for that CPU and others for gaming performance circa 2006. They are a fun read through modern eyes.
did i overheard it or wasn't there anew code?
Love it but no code this episode?
I thought I had just missed it and watched it twice but did not see one.
Haha I watched it 4 times before I came down here. 😅😂😂
I swear I've heard Jay call the 5800X3D a $600 part a couple times. It's $450 MSRP, seemingly was always available. $400 at Microcenter right now.
pretty sure he was talking about the 5950x he was comparing it with.
You are a professional. Your advice is solid. Confidence means a lot to people who count on you.
I think getting a decent PSU is an important decision. I used to work at a computer electronics store and whenever someone came in for a build, they would always choose a bottom of the barrel PSU that almost doesn't meet the requirements of the system. I would always recommend a decent PSU that can also grow with your system along with the case. I'm not saying get a 1000watt PSU but somewhere around 700-800watt and an 80+ bronze rating at least to save money. The PSUs my clients were choosing are the ones that come without a box and wrapped in plastic. Those are fine for maybe an office computer.
I wouldn't even trust those for an office computer. An 80+ bronze I would trust for an office computer. 80+ gold or better for a home PC just for the reliability.
Hi Jay.. Can you make a general video of matched sets of processor-gpu-ram-monitor recommendations.. This might be better than making build guides at 500/1000/1500 dollars
360hz monitor r7 5800x3d 3060 or higher
1080p 144hz ryzen 5 5500 rtx gtx 1660 super or higher
1080p 240hz ryzen 7 5700x rtx 3060 or higher
1440p 144hz ryzen 5 5600x rtx 3060ti or higher
1440p 240hz r7 5700 rtx 3070 or higher
4k 144hz ryzen 7 5800x rtx 3080 or higher
Of course these recomendations depend on what games you play, if you play esports titles I would sugest you get the r7 5800x3d it is $460 and gan get +300fps on 1080p on most esports titles
If you play gpu heavy games like ark, cyberpunk, days gone (fantastic game btw), etc.
You also can think of it like this, do you like a game better at 1440p med settings or at 1080p max🤷♂️ or something like that, you also have to think about if you want to have lower settings and higher fps or higher settings and lower fps🤷♂️ I personly can not game at 70 fps or below it just hurts to my eyes. You also have to put the different screens in mind one costs more than the other. Hope this comment helped you awser youre question.
@@pippingym nice... So just like the video you don't really need anything more than 3060ti unless your monitor can handle it too or you want to crank some settings.. Thanks for taking the time
@@pippingym amd fan boy? LOL
@@vivekvs1992
If you play normal games like AAA stuff and have a 1440p 240hz monitor you need a 3080 or higher and a 5800x 3d or a high end Alder Lake cpu and even then you won't often max out the fps to such a high level. If you play on a much lower fps range then you can buy a cheaper system. If you play at 4k then you need a top end gpu full stop and the cpu is less important due to lower fps.
@@Giocastaldo91 my room is hot enough 😂😂
I've only made the mistake of buying the best of the best for one system, a laptop...and though it was amazing for years, it really isn't worth it. The last few systems I've gotten have been middle-high end, like i7/R7 CPUs and xx70 series GPUs, skipping a couple generations each upgrade.
This is the way to go imo. That upper middle tier is the best compromise between cost and performance, and longevity
I've been a sucker for the '80 series. From the 580 to 680, 780 to 980ti, 1080ti to the 2080 ultra I'm using now, and a custom build being done now with a 3080/12700k/32GB ddr4 3733 xmp ram and the very unnecessary 2TB NVMe SSD. All picked for future-proofing except the 3080( 10GB) card which will likely get upgraded within the next two or three years.
agreed, i made this mistake with my latest build back in march. 12th gen had just launched and i had a friend talk me into geting an intel 12400. Havent really had any problems with it, works just fine and runs cool, but ik i couldve gotten something better from a previous gen, and since i didnt even go with DDR5 for RAM feels like a wasted abit of my budget on the 12400 just because it was "new". but hey we live and learn, and regardless was still a massive upgrade from my last system. And im still running a overclocked 1050 Ti just because it still works and prices havent been worth it yet to upgrade for my specific situation.
@@pandometer4748 I’d say that was actually the smart buy. 12th gen IPC advanced well and ddr5 memory was/is pricey with almost zero performance difference. You’ll be able to upgrade GPUs for a number of generations and not be bottlenecked on that CPU/platform. Then when you finally need a better CPU a long time from now you should be able to get a 13600/13900K for a good price and as they’ll be quite few years old but will still work for you.
@@pandometer4748 12400 is better than i9 11900k in my book so you have win in the long run but I was thinking you were regretting for not getting 12600k cause this was more future proof for win 11, but 12400 is the best bang for buck and much much better than 10th and 11th gen high end cpus
This makes me even more content with my MSI GS66. I got the i7-11800h, RTX 3060, 1Tb SSD, and 16g DDR4. The Nvme has a 2nd slot and the ram is expandable to 64g. Since i dont game or do 3d rendering that will handle the graphic design and content creation i wanna do with it. Ill probably expand the nvme and put a 1 or 2 Tb in the 2nd slot and up the ram to 32g that way i dont have issues editing videos but thats all ill probably need to do going forward.
Thanks for the info Jay.
RAM is something, you never can have enough.
But its somewhat "shocking" that especially RAM becomes like ... idk, I remember still when I had "alot of RAM" with 4GB, actually my first upgrade was from 256 MB to 512 MB - now I recently bought a new Laptop with a 1TB Storage on it and 16GB RAM and I starting to realize "Yeah, in two years 32GB will be needed, 16GB can run out nowadays even with some MatLab & Firefox already.".
@@DaroriDerEinzige I need every chrome tab😈
@@DaroriDerEinzige I've got 64GB and I've been able to max it out a few times already. Only one of the times I maxed it out was while gaming and running the server on my PC at the same time
@@DaroriDerEinzige I wont even give it that long before the 32g upgrade. I might go for the full 64 even if i can afford it when im ready that way im sort of future proofed for my laptop. Beyond that in 2 years ill build a desktop of i need to upgrade.
I made a small video game on Unreal Engine 5 AND an untra realistic render of a swamp (also on unreal engine 5) all on a 5600x and a 3060ti with 16gb of ram. The only thing I would’ve enjoyed was more VRAM and RAM for faster rendering. Wouldn’t change the $180 CPU… do your research and saved yourself hundreds or even thousands of dollars.
The 5600 non-x I have has been a killer upgrade over the previous 2600 I had, mainly for emulation or other CPU intensive tasks. I've hardly ever even come close to fully maxing it out either, whereas with the 2600 it would regularly sit at 60-80% under the same situations. I recently got a 3060 Ti finally as well, and that was also a massive leap forward over the RX 580 I used for almost 3 years.
I have definitely overspec'd my PC, but it's because I want a seemless experience. I want to be able to run wallpaper engine, have some internet tabs open, play Spotify, stream, and my game all at the same time with no slowdown. Do I need that at all times? No. Is it useful sometimes and for some games? Yes.
Yeah, personally, I rrarely find the time to really enjoy my gaming pc, but when I do? I do NOT want the hardware to be a limitation or bottleneck on anything. I just want to be able to not think about it, turn up game settings to max, and not event have to close other apps so I can just switch back and forth seemlessly
I got me a 5800x with a 3080 and a 1440p 165hz monitor and honestly it feels perfect for me. I could have gone lower spec, but I waited for deals on each item (besides gpu of course) so I wasn't spending as much, and it feels good knowing I won't have to upgrade for years.
I love watching you specifically for those crazy top-end builds. Personally, I will never have the money or need for something like that so it's fun to live vicariously through you. For me, a middle-of-the-road build is just fine because I will use it till it can't take me any further. Hell till last week I was still running a Ryzen 2600, GTX 1080, and 16 GB of RAM on a B450. Just upgraded to 32GB of RAM and a Ryzen 5600X because I noticed my PC getting sluggish while saving up for a new graphics card and a PSU that can handle it since mine is only a 650W gold.
This was perfectly timed for me as I'm in the market for a new CPU and motherboard
Yeah id wait till years end.
Absolutely can't wait for the office vlogs. There's nothing more satisfying than watching a building/house/room come together
I probably seriously overspecced my new tower last year when I built it, going a 5950X, a 1Kw PSU and 64GB of RAM. Until I starting playing with 3D and recoding my entire media library to HEVC to make a HUGE space saving on the plex server. Pretty sure that those parts have absolutely paid for themselves in the saved time just on the encoding alone. And going an overkill PSU at the time meant I could just drop in the 3090ti I bought this tax time straight in and know that the PC could cope.
Is it overkill for what I want? Sure. I don't game on it at all really, I play on PS5 for most of my gaming. But those other tasks, it does them great, it does them fast. And I know it's gonna run brilliantly for the next 5 or 6 years until I get the urge to upgrade it. My last tower went 12 years before I built this new one. All of it was nice to haves, but I had the spare money to spend on the project.
Really great video. One anecdote I have is my current monitor. I shelled out a bunch of money for a predator x38 ultrawide monitor with all the bells and whistles and I find so many games that have issues with the scaling/stretching and if I could go back I'd have just gotten a normal 16:9 monitor so I could enjoy games the way devs optimize for. And I think this experience has shown me that the way a game is made is for people on average hardware and adding in support for edge cases or etc happens after the game is done.
you need a 5700g no gpu and your golden for 1080p gaming kid🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah ive been looking in the TV market for a good one because everything gaming is this stupid curved "1:380" panels, i also want watch movies sometimes:/
@@4450krank yeah that is a problem with monitors all being curved now it's either curved gaming monitor or flat low fps office monitor there is no flat gaming monitors anymore
@@raven4k998 yeah its really annoying, tho there are some very good TV's out there buuut one needs to drop alot of money.
You're saying the opposite of what everybody recommends. You need threadripper with a 3090 ti to play games. If you can't get 200-300 FPS in 4K your system's not worth anything. I think the balance of the system is extremely important and personally if you can get 60 FPS and every game that you play that's good. older hardware still works you don't need top of the line equipment to enjoy a game.
Im still on a 3570k with a 660Ti but I ONLY play CS:GO and maybe other easy to run game, thats why I havent upgraded, no need if I get 200+fps in the only game I play. I would love to have a 12900k but it would be a waste of money and hardware, an i3 with any modern gpu is more than enough for my use.
who claims u need that i dont claim that linus dont gamers nexus dont and every vs benchmark u watch u can see that when jumping to more then 8 cores u can see a fps drop no matter the gpu
I literally just reminded myself of this recently. I had realized I had enough random spare parts sitting around to slap together a back up PC/cheap entry level gamer to sell on FB market. it had an i5 4690k, rx 480 4gb, 16 gb ddr3 2300, 512 gb sata ssd. I downloaded Apex Legends so that I could take it for a spin and check temps, make sure everything was working correctly etc. Next thing I knew 2.5 hours had gone by and I had completely forgotten that I was testing out a 6-8 year old system. I was really surprised and impressed by the level of performance. It was hitting 100-120 fps average 1080p Apex Legends. I enjoyed myself so much that I decided to leave the PC hooked up and game on it for a while, reminded me of when I first got back in to PC gaming and was happy if I could just average 60 fps 1080p. Funny how perception can change so dramatically as your mind adapts to your current circumstance.
32gig RAM to me is the minimum to cut down on the use of the cache file on the main drive and at that point it does not use it as heavily. RAM is cheap, data recovery is expensive.
This, one of my buddies was having issues with just basic background tasks and gaming, he was at 15.6gb of ram used. He was having stuttering and juttering, another 16gb of ram and no more issues. He was also now using almost 19gb of ram.
@@MistakenMedia087 30+ background apps open, optimise yo shit
@@216MALACHI it's cheaper to just buy more ram 😆
@@MistakenMedia087 Windows 10 takes huge amounts of ram, with it i often got issues with ram getting full on 16GB. On windows 7 or linux i need much less ram for doing exact same things, 16GB was never too little.
Heck ya! Construction vids! I honestly love watching tech TH-camrs working on their setups past just the PC.
As a engineer working with CAD unless the user is working with massive files. Simply double VRAM capacity in system RAM, & round up to the next standard size kit. It works very well there is not significant speed advantage to more memory speed/timings are more important.
I did overspec this one time - I just wanted to experience what top tier felt like. Yeah - would not do it again. very little return for investment as you go higher. Sweet spot is always in the middle somewhere :)
Think we've all been there bud.😏
I dunno, I bought a 980Ti six years ago when it was the top-of-the-line, and I'm still thoroughly satisfied with it. I feel like if I hadn't splashed for the top-of-the-line card back then, I would have felt an acute need to upgrade long before now, but as it is I can still get playable frame rates in the latest games with high-to-ultra settings at my monitor's native resolution, and that's good because money's a lot tighter these days than it was when I bought it.
@@bartolomeothesatyr 🥱
@@bartolomeothesatyr If you buy a 3080 rn you are probably gonna last just as long or even longer since games nowadays are more or less created around the console more than it was before (We can thank the last 2 year terrible GPU market which shift even more focus on console). This means that it should be unlikely to have a drastic increase in hardware requirement in the near future.
The PS5 and X box has an equivalent of a 5700xt in them so anything like the 3080 and above should last a long time unless you are going to 4k or RT. This is not to mention upsampling techniques too which should make these cards last even longer.
I still remember the times when people said (in germany btw) a system over 1000-1200€ is a waste of money and that was like 10-12 years ago.
When I retire my gaming rig which I typically do over spend on. I don't have regrets that I did when I re purpose it for some kind of home server use.
Always been happy when I turn it into a nas, plex or whatever server. That extra headroom provides options and runs smoother.
It feels like less of a waste when I'm getting another use and extending the life of the build as something else.
I just picked up a 5900X for $338 with Amazon's Prime Day, came from an 8700k (Which I really had no reason to upgrade), but.... uh, for that price. How could I not?! Probably will go down as my deal of the century.
Yeah make sure your motherboard, CPU cooler and powersupply are up for that task. Otherwise your deal of the century just got a lot more expensive.
@@CaptainCooter it just at worst set me back for a new cooler.
@@CaptainCooter I think that goes without saying. I already had good gear from my previous build, so all I had to do was grab an AMD motherboard.
@@CaptainCooter Exactly why I'm holding back......
The i7-12700k was $350 m8
Thank you soooo much. I'm in the process of getting a build spec'd out. My son wants to built a PC, which I've never done. The last couple minutes of this video gave me some great insight and direction for his gaming PC.
I went overboard on my build back in March because I never built my own PC before and wanted top of the line stuff. It’ll serve me well for years to come.
Love my 3300x and 5700XT combo! They are awesome for running the games that I personally enjoy. Of course I play older games as that's my taste, but I can still keep up with modern games to play with my friends
I'm in IT. I'm a hardware nerd. I'd like to see some "optimized" builds. Like you, I've seen people looking at $4k laptops or building a gaming PC and they absolutely wanted a 3090 level card. I've had to tell them to hold on, they're going overkill and save money here and there to use for a better moniter or accessories.
I think use case a 3080ti is top speck in home unless you're using it for niche cases such as doing game mods or VFX. AMD's 3DX or an i7 12700k. RAM is one of the biggest mysteries for the normal person.
I have no regrets purchasing a 3090 as I do everything in 4k as lower resolutions are irrelevant for me. I probably could got away with a 3080Ti, but but that 3090 will give me the extra bump that I need for the next 5 years just a bit better.
@@jamesm568 You're not using that much VRAM while gaming. What you want is clock speed on the GPU for loading and up keep with the on screen action. That aside you have to get a monitor to match the display port output bandwith, which is 32Gbs for the Displayport 1.4a on the 3090. UHD 4k@120htz isn't cheap, you'll want OLED or QD-OLED if image quality is the goal.
@@georgejones5019 Oh I have a 32" SAMSUNG Odyssey Neo G7 4K UHD 165Hz monitor. My PC was built specifically for flight simulators.
Yea, the only thing I went a bit over on was my RAM. I ended up getting 64GB, but I did get a really good deal on those sticks, and Corsair RGB!
Stupid 64gig ram is useless unless you use editing software edit and render 4k or 8k videos .
My cpu barely uses 30 watts and goes upto 35% usage
Far cry 6 when i run my cpu barely uses 30%
@@impaler_ferhan 64GB of ram is not stupid, even without doing anything you mentioned my ram uses hovers around 30-42GB used,
couple years ago I upgraded from 16 to 64 GB of ram, and it was a huge improvement as not having to deal with so much stuff being paged,
RAM is one of those things that you can't really benchmark, and get the feel of the improvement of it is, it's something you have to just use every day and understand how it makes your experience better, because no number system, or fresh benchmarking install is every going to be the same as a year after year of using the same system .
@@landmine36 how many chrome tabs do you have open? That's insane. I'm still fine with 16gb
@@impaler_ferhan Eh, but it was nearly the same cost as getting 32GB when I got them, so from a price perspective it still worked for me.
@@jevenator usually only 1-5 chrome tabs.
I have done this twice only built two computers and then left Pc gaming for a couple years. I just wish I realized before I finished my new rig but I had a guy on Reddit say to me when I was building my water loop “it looks like you are going on google and buying the best of whatever part that doesn’t work” he was really nice and explained it to me. But I laughed as soon as I read that comment because when I don’t know what I am doing but I am building something that is exactly what I do. It was a big help with my water cooling I hope it sticks going forward
I usually buy high-end, but I also don’t upgrade for close to 6 or 7 years. I like it this way because, when I upgrade 6 years later, I get to be awestruck at the hardware improvements. But I think it is important for people to know how long they want their PC to last them.
ever since i can remember, nvidias x70 cards were always a good sweetspot, now that there is a x90 sku i feel like 70 - 80 might still be king for most gamers.
It really depends on your display. 4k 60? 70 or 80 is fine. 1080p 60? 60 or 50 is fine.
@@Bamfhammer of course. when this thinking came to be, no one was using a 4k display.
right now i am using 3x 2560x1440p 170Hz monitors and i think i should get a x80 sku or equivalant.
@@Chriss120 yeah, I am running 32" 4k 155Hz and my 3090 is barely keeping up. My previous 1080ti barely got to 60!
@@Bamfhammer this is exactly why I stick to 1440p monitors since I don't do any graphic design work.
@@XemnasTM I dont do graphic design work either, but the detail at 4k on a 32" monitor is unmatched. I tried moving back to UWQHD and it was just not the same.
Just my two cents on the RAM. I have 32 gigs of RAM in my system and i can only have 2-3 Photoshop documents open with light room in the background before I max my ram. Sometimes it’s not all about wether you need it or not sometimes it’s just a ease of use so I don’t have to close out those tab because I may not be done with that photo or document but I don’t want to work on it at that moment.
More ram means you can have many poorly coded Adobe apps open rather than just one.
@@harrybryan9633 precisely. 😂
@@harrybryan9633 that was exactly my first thought about Tristan's comment LOL
Whenever I have bought the cheaper option after lots of soul searching ….. I have revisited and gone back for the better option and ended up selling the ‘cheaper’ one at a loss - lol - I do think with many things you quite simply get what you pay for if you research it properly and don’t buy features you do not need and would not use.
Monitors can be a huge trap. Higher refresh and resolution means you're always locked in to needing the hardware to take advantage of it.
i would not really call them a trap. resolution? maybe. but refresh rate? no. i would literally prefer to stop gaming alltogether over playing something with 60fps
@@MadWatcher just wondering... do you call people ''aspect ratio snobs'' because they used to play games at 4:3 20 years ago? what about ''optical mouse snob'' ? people used to use ball mice at one time? what about ''anti cd drive snobs'' or ''floppy drive snobs'' if people dont wanna use these anymore? you re aware that time moves forward and 144hz is the norm nowadays?
I've been building PC's as a pastime hobby since I was a kid, so probably for 15-18 years now, and I help people build PC's all the time.
Something I always ask is "What are you going to do with your PC" followed by a budget, and go on from there.
(If they play any games -> Which games -> Which display size/type they prefer -> etc.)
When it comes to picking components is either selecting higher-end components from a previous generation, or lower-end components from a current generation.
I most often pick the latter. This is to make upgrades further down the line easier if it becomes relevant, with less expenditure on overhauling the system.
(Buying a new motherboard to fit a new CPU, for example.)
I just recently upgraded from a Ryzen 5 2600 -> 5600X. All I needed was a BIOS update and I was set.
A tip is to avoid going overkill, or cheaping out on any particular components. Try balancing the budget on the parts as they are needed. Also, never cheap out on a power supply, it's a seriously bad idea...🙄
I usually go for something like...."the best product in the Mid-tier". does that make sense? never buy the expensive stuff, always find the sweet spot.
Yep, I do the same, I went for the 5800X instead of a 59xxX. In the end RAM holds me back and I've got myself already 64GB XD
Next gen worries me. The 12900k can have issues with standard coolers, making something like the 12700k and especially the 12600k look better for any gamer with "average" cooling. If this gets worse, we're all screwed lol. AMD is lower power...just for now, if raising power limits let's them win overall...they'll do it.
AMD already has cooling issues with singlecore boost. Even with a 280mm AIO it can get upto 95°C on that SINGLE core. Stock it boosts to 5Ghz on 1.5V.
I changed it manually to a fixed 4,2Ghz@1.1V on all cores and suddenly my CPU not only >30°C cooler, but also uses 30W less power, while loosing 10-15% singlecore performance. On Multicore I GET 10% more performance compared to stock. BTW Multicore with 142W stock limit by CPU only gets 65°C on 100% multicore load.
standard coolers hell i have a 360aio from msi and I've seen 80c+ on a 12900k i will admit i was running cyberpunk with every setting maxed so cpu was maxed same with gpu but even no my cpu raid is the only air in take my gpu was cooler.
i have played with game settings and fan curves and now i have it down to 60 to 70c wile playing with it being 30c+ in my room 60 is only 30c more witch is not bad wile gaming.
me need ac badly uk was not made for this heat lol
@@ORBIT9224 Imagine how the power draws will increase when the majority have a/c installed in their homes; either box units or whole-house, you'll start seeing US-sized increases. Not going to help the climate as this rate.
Guess I'll just have to hope my kids/grandkids can manage in the future; I sure didn't do much to aid them, as if I could change all of society.
@@trog69 im not likely to have kids unless im lucky.
the only people i have had any feelings for live in the usa and me and my girlfriend are both 30.
I have tryed every job other than driving and i can not handle it.
i went to work for a warehouse for a year every day i would sit in my car before i had to go in and have a mental brake down then when i got home i also had a mental brake down.
It got so bad everyone i new told me to quite and that same thing happens every time.
driving is the only thing that claims me down but truck lesson take a lot of money and van jobs deal with way to many people to keep be stable.
so even if i move my ass and save better im looking at lest 40 years old before i get to the usa and with heart problems on both sides of my family im likely to die in my 60s. my grandad was not even 60 before he died.
I am more worried about going from 8 pin to 12 pin CPU power.
I'm still running a ryzen 5 2600 with an nvidia 1660 super gpu, I've only recently upgraded to 32gb ddr4 3600 ram though I've had to underclock the memory speed as it kept crashing. Yet it still plays fine with most games at 1080p. I'll soon be upgrading to perhaps a lower end X570 mobo or a b550 one, a ryzen 5 5600x or ryzen 7 5700x cpu, and I'm torn between an amd rx6700xt, rx6750xt, or an nvidia rxt3070 gpu depending how prices keep falling. I never go high end or newest. Money down the drain.
I built my first ever PC in Feb of this year with almost zero knowledge, with just a small amount of info i got from this channel and LTT, and i was over the moon when you broke down the "ideal" build as it was exactly mine, Msi z590 gaming force mobo, corsair 850 gold, i711700k, 3070ti founders, wd black nvme, lian li fans, corsair 240 aio, and 32gn of corsair vengeance ram. just know your videos have really helped me, as I was terrified to leave my series x, and now its just a netflix machine haha
I spec systems for friends, and recently a friend in DESPERATE need of a new system had me spec one for them, after looking at budget, reviews, and usage. i put her in a 12700K 16gigs DDR5 (for future upgradability), a 3080 and a 512 boot drive with a 2TB "misc" drive with a Noctua cooler, i view that as balance, hell my favorite system i ever built was a 3570K, 670gtx, 32gig box that lasted me until 2019 (built it in 2012) and it was only showing it's age in the last 2 years of it's life.
generally if you go "one tier" down from the halo you'll end up with a 5-6 year build without an issue
This is something I always have to explain to people when I'm helping them build their PCs... or when they are bragging and trying to ruin the sales of other people in FB groups. Idk about other places, but here in Colombia, in every PC Building group you would always find that subgroup of people who claimed "The only ones who use AMD are those who can't afford an Intel CPU" and would always try to push that idea even when AMD was obliterating Intel. You could see them claiming that Intel has the fastest gaming CPU (i9 9900K iirc). Below I9's everything was dominated by AMD, but they would always start an argument and make fun at people who used Ryzen 5 or Core i5 because they were poor ands thus their opinions didn't matter and that the 5% more performance in games they got was worth those extra 400USD (which was the equivalent to 1.5 minimum wages here back then).
After a while we were able to ban them from those groups. But the point is that there are always STUPID people who just like to spend more for nothing, just to brag. Back then I struggled to simply get a RX 5500 XT (not the smartest purchase, but given the way import taxes work here, it actually made sense). Right now I can easily get a top of the line system in 2-3 months but I'm still using a ryzen 5 5600 (Upgraded from a R5 2600 when the 5600 went under 200USD), a RX 6600 XT, 16GB of RAM (planning on upgrading to 32GB, 16GB are sometimes not doing it when I'm testing some apps I'm developing for android). I don't need more than that. I'm underutilizing my GPU except when I play Ark: Survival Evolved. If it wasn't for that game I would probably still be using my old GPU. I don't get anything by moving to Ryzen 7 or 9 right now as the more CPU-demanding tasks I'm performing (compiling code) would just take like 10s less if I upgraded, which is nothing.
There's a sad trend of clout chasers who blow all their money on their first build, not my issue, they learn the hard way that computers always get exponentially better, you can see the first generation of them listing their old builds with dual 1080s that can be outperformed now by a computer that costs the same as one of the cards did
Based on the title, I expected a slightly different direction. I've been using halo-tier motherboards for several generations, but the last two ASUS boards have given me so many weird problems, that a more commonly sold model would likely give me a better experience, because they are better tested and they receive more BIOS bug fixes.
I'm still being stubborn so far, but reliability is crap for my current Crosshair VIII Extreme. Ethernet randomly disconnects, requiring a reboot. After a BIOS update the ethernet disappeared for several days. The OLED display almost never works, M.2 randomly vanishes when run on PCI-e 4.0, etc. etc.
What cpu are you using?
Same here, except this last cycle I went bare bones msi and it’s been FLAWLESS 12700k at 5.1GHz at 1.2
16gb is barely enough nowadays. Graphic Designer here and I recently upgraded from 16gb. I'd open up photoshop and that alone would bring my use up to 80%+ on it's own. 32GB def opened up the room and now lets me run After Effects much smoother.
Also I play Warzone which is a BR and takes a lot of CPU. My 4800H Bottlenecks even my RTX 2060 so balancing really is important.
Anyone else pause the video to walk away and come back to see the most interesting Jay face?? hahaha Jay always knows how to make a day great! Thanks Jay!
Love how you are preparing the person that wins to think rationally when it come to their new build. Good on you!
yeah you don't need a 5950x just get a 5800x3d and your golden 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Long, long ago, I read an article or opinion piece in a computer magazine (remember when that was a thing?). It pointed out that if you buy more powerful gear, you could hold onto it longer without upgrading, thus saving money. However, if you bought the absolute latest and greatest thing, you were paying a big premium, plus you had to deal with early adopter headaches.
Thus, it argued that you were better off buying stuff that was one step down from the top. That gave you headroom for future-proofing without the early adopter premium or stability headaches.
If you play Civilization on "huge" maps, then late in the game, there are tons of units, tons cities, each with tons of buildings, and yes, you absolutely benefit from having lots of RAM and lots of cores. I can verify this as I play on huge maps and tend to take my sweet time reaching victory (science victories just take more turns). On the other hand, if you play on smaller maps and go for military victories (e.g. domination), then you can absolutely get away with less.
But as I said, if you play on a huge map and reach a high turn count, a weaker system will be brought to its knees, and a higher power GPU isn't really very important. Even though I have an RTX 3080, I generally run it at 20 FPS so that the fans are quieter and my computer produces less heat. Yes, scrolling is buttery smooth if I don't limit the frame rate, but it just doesn't matter for a turn-based strategy game.
BTW, if you play on huge maps, you'll also benefit from faster storage, at least when loading a game.
Yes I play Civilization VI a lot and also mod the game and on a i5-9600KF @ 5.2 GHz and a i7-8086K @ 5.3 GHz with 32 GB DDR4-3200 once you reach turn 100 it takes over a minute to calculate each turn so the game really becomes super CPU intensive on big maps with a lot of civilizations.
I'm willing to bet that even if you had a 13900KS running at 6 GHz per core or a Ryzen 9 7950X running at 6 GHz per core with DDR5 6400 memory it would still take way over 30 seconds per turn.
You practically need an optical quantum super computer to run Civilization VI to even reach turn 200.
I don't know if this is because the AI is just that complex or because the game is just really badly made although I'm betting it's the latter since older Civilization games had pretty advanced AI engines as well as do many other 4X games and none even come close to using this much CPU and there are tons of bugs in the game.
Jay. None of this applies to VR. I am hitting vram, gpu, and about 80% overall CPU usage on a 5900x. Please. Stop. Making. Such. Generic. Comments. Because Then I have to go back to the gamers that I play with on particular Sim racing games and tell them they’re wrong because they heard your TH-cam video and feel that you are an authority and are 100% correct all of the time
Jay said typical use cases. Nothing about VR.
I'll probably go for the next gen 3D vcache CPU when it appears, by then DDR5 should be priced properly and we know better how power inefficient the new nVidia GPU is, if AMD is the better choice. At most going for 4070 equivalent GPU to avoid the "high end GPU price tax" so I can just upgrade the card more often. Ideally going small form factor, but that may not be up to me if next gen GPU requires a nuclear power plant to run. Maybe just give next gen GPU a miss until power efficiency is a focus again.
The price of DDR5 isn't the problem it's the huge latency's. In another year or two it will be or should be near what DDR4 was/is when it came out. High end low latency DDR4 is pretty much the same if not better than most all DDR5 UNLESS there's some niche reason you absolutely need DDR5. I plan on getting the new 13th gen and I didn't bother getting a DDR5 mobo because most latency's are like 30-36+ which is silly. I bought 32gb 4000mhz CL14 instead and a DDR4 Z690 board to go with my hybrid 3090 ti ftw3
Super excited to see the renovated office space and to attend the garage sale ! 😊
I feel like my system is a great middle ground. Ryzen 7 5800x, Radeon RX 6800XT, 32GB (4 x 8GB) of DDR4 3600MHz RAM 1TB 4th Gen M2 Boot and 1TB 3rd Gen M2 scratch drive. 1000W 80+ Gold PSU. I don't plan on upgrading any time soon.
Great advice, balancing for specific purpose can really help. I've build and speced rigs for almost all my friends and family. The main question is what do you need it for?
On the other side I overspeced the f**k out of mine 11 years ago, why? Because I hate to change it and I am still using it despite it showing age restrictions :D
i7 2600K 4.1GHz all core , originally Radeon HD 6850 / currently Nvidia GTX 970, originally Corsair 90GB ssd/ now samsung 860 EVO 500GB, 4TB(2+2) WD HDDs ; 16GB kingston 1600MHz RAM.
It works like a charm and helped me trough all y career swings :D From C/C++/C# programmer trough Technical artist ,photo editing and motion graphics :D
Probably would spec a new one next year :P
I personally disagree with your 16gb ram recommendation. I tend to lay heavy with chrome tabs and then pull up a game and easily go over 16gb of ram used. With how cheap ddr4 ram has gotten 32 was the only choice after being stuck with 16gb on a laptop and constantly maxing it out.
I used to always go for the absolute most expensive of each component….finally came to my senses a couple of weeks ago and bought exactly what I needed for a 1440 to 4k gaming rig….my wallet is much happier now! 😎
I just purchased a custom-build. I was all set on a 3080ti/12900k. Finally realized I would probably be upgrading the GPU in two years and I only need great 1440p graphics, plus I found out the i9 was way overshoot. Settled on an 12700k/3080 10GB/32GB 3733 ram/2TB NVMe SSD. Paid about the same as the 6700k/1080ti build seven-year-old rig I'm on now.
One of my ex coworker would tell me to buy the 3080TI FE whenever it appeared on Best Buy. I was like nope. I am contempt with the 3060 as it had 12gb of ram for a lower price point. Plus, I had no plans of doing anything over 1080p as my screens are 1080p. Heck, I was pretty okay with using the 3050 for my lower spec rigs.
Great video. It's refreshing to see some one talk about Not needing the best of the best. Maybe there needs to be a few more videos showing the optimal hardware combonations for each use purpose.
I am currently experiencing this with my rig. It was my first build and I went in with no experience and a ton of research. At the time, the 12 series JUST came out and DDR5 was totally unattainable.
Your channel helped me out a TON!
My use case is 3D modeling (C4D)/ After Effects and some gaming. I used a LOT of my savings for this.
I went for the best I could find:
Intel 12900k/ Asus GEForce RTX TUF 3090/Asus z690A D4/4x16GB D4 4266 GSkill Trident Z Royal/NZXT Kraken z63 AIO/ Lian Li O11XL/ Lian Li Uni case fans x7
Unfortunately, although Asus mobo specs appeared compatible with my memory, I’ve run into dram post fails on soft reboots and EVEN windows crashing with too many explorer, Firefox, or chrome tabs open- all because I didn’t realize 4266 does not play well with my mobo (and I bought two sets of identical 2x16gb which is a no-no). I ruled out physical/seating errors (A/B lanes too), memtest86 came back with perfect results.
It’s terrible because it’s affecting my other pristine parts- I thought best is better!
SO this video TOTALLY resonated with my own circumstances. 🥹🥹
While I work through this issue, to anyone else who is thinking of building: build for your use case THEN around the ecosystem of the parts you have (as in, compatibility). Glhf
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Jay, why do you keep calling the 5800X3D a $600 CPU? It is $450.
I really do think he's got the price mixed up with the 12900K. I too have noticed in every vid that he mentions the 5800X3D he says it's $600 when it's not nor ever was.
$350!
@@jamesm568 which retailer?
@@tallguysix8 It was $350 this morning on Amazon. I think it's back up to $400 right now. Put it in your list and keep an eye on it as the price is constantly changing on it. The 5950X might be cheaper at the moment.
The amount of RAM also depends on the number of cores you have when it comes to VMs. No point in allocating 64BG of ram to a single VM that only gets 2 physical cores.
Like buying an NZXT H1 pre-riser fix? 🤣👍
best cooker in class with mods u could get a fireworks and smoke machine with a gigabyte 850 watt psu
Not related to the topic at all.
I'm excited for the expansion for you guys! Bring on the VLOGS! 🙌🏽 💚
I needed this. I’m a first time PC buy/builder and I’m trying to figure out what I need and nothing more/less
I didn't see the code i watched the video twice...
Good content. Coming from someone who started building pc's back when you bought RAM by the megabyte, please do not fall into the youtube/influencer trap of building everything bigger than it will ever need to be. Too many people will watch and take it as the gospel. As you said, a properly spec'ed machine for the task will always be better.
man, the good ol' days when i played Diablo on a 2MB voodoo graphics card, a 266MHz AMD K6 CPU (maybe K7 can't remember after all these years) and 32MB RAM.
@@jpteknoman the 266 was the K6 :)
I can remember my first pc and it was an intel pentium 266MHz thingie xD
My upgrade years later was the Pentium 3 Coppermine with 866MHz it was like I needed a seat belt.
Now I'm running a CPU which runs almost at 5GHz on all 8 cores, more RAM than HDD back in the days ...gee those times ^^
This is part of why I love small form factor builds, it's hard to over spec when the best you can fit in a tiny box is about top of mid range. If I weren't into AI I wouldn't even need very much vram, and if that ever becomes an issue, I can always rent a gpu server for a few days for like $15. People spend so much time and money on components that they will never use.
January last year 2021, i built my gaming use only rig with i5-10400F, TUF RTX 3080, MSI M.2 Spatium 2TB, 16GB ram, its quite balanced for 1440p max settings for around 120-160 fps (game dependent) and i think it will last me for many years to come
As someone who has only had a PC capable of playing the games I do for about a year now and who knows not much about computers this post is awesome. My dad use to be a great source of info when he was in the military but since retirement he's no longer around the computer geniuses so we are both flying blind when it comes to what would make a good gaming PC or good PC in general.
There's one small caveat to this. If you are using accessibility equipment like eye tracking technology and specialized controllers with their own programming you are going to need more CPU and more GPU power. It's unfortunate but none of it is optimized yet and just tanks performance
Nice, the PC Jay described as a best current use case computer matches the one I bought this spring. I7 12000, 3070 TI, 32 GB RAM, 240mm AIO. I am on a five year upgrade plan myself - which is to say I buy myself a custom build PC every five years and rotate through my families' computers/laptops on a similar upgrade schedule. A channel like this helps me keep informed and make good buying decisions based upon quality and price. Maybe when it is my turn, I will build my next PC myself and save a lot more money.
My rig consists of a 12600k and a 3080 with 32GB of ram., this is my first build and I’m really happy with it. Sometimes I think I should’ve went with a 12700k but the 12600k works just fine.
About the same, 3080-3700X-32g...it go gud. Almost went for 3090 but even at msrp, too much money for too little improvement (10-20 fps in most benchmarks). I still think the original 3080 is the Goldilocks card.
I like the fact he is wearing an LTX shirt! The friendly banter between him and Linus is always funny to see!!
4 year build project. First config: i5-9600k, 16GB 3000 CL15, RX580 8GB. Then upgraded memory to 32 GB 3200 CL16. 3 weeks ago bought XFX SWFT RX 6800 XT. Using 32" 1440p 144Hz curved panel. Now i'm done, until "NextGen" becomes affordable.
Love how i use less energy in rocket league locked at 144fps, unlike before, i barely reached 144.
It takes knowledge & intuition & experience with brands in the industry to make the right choices when building a PC from scratch
Yes that's why I help everyone I know to choose the right parts! Important info!
Thank you for all the info you give in your video's Jay. I still think it woudl be a blast and honor to meet you and everyone.
"dont be too excessive" now thats great advice for everything in life really thanks jay!
just got my 3080 ti ftw3 only learning so far :D thx for all your advise you gave and have helped me and many others a lot the past years ty
Ryzen 5 5600X and GTX 1650 Super work’s beautiful for me. I use my PC like a console on a 4K TV and can even get some games to play in 4K HDR with no issue. Newest game I have, F1 22, plays at 90-120 FPS in 1080p upscaled to full screen on my TV. I’m in no rush to upgrade my GPU right now.
Thanks for making this video. This video was like a wake up call for me. Good luck with your new studio
@JayzTwoCents, we do pre-construction 3d modeling and coordination at the firm I work for and we do not use any of the GPUs put out for gaming in our systems. They are all Quadros. A workstation geared towards the type of modeling we do is a completely different animal compared to a gaming rig for sure. Perhaps a video build of the most balanced/compatible components for a gaming system for the most stable experience is warranted? I mean, it's nice to see all the expensive hot-rod parts and all but what about a build that has components that compliment one another in compatibility that result in a better performance experience?
Jay, you build what ever you want. Its O.k.. I tune in to see the crazy overkill systems you put together. They aren't practical, but they are fun!
Making mistakes is not always a bad thing. One of my early PCs got bricked because I installed incompatible SIMMs. It was probably 1MB or something. So I pulled the mobo and desoldered the battery and that allowed the BIOS to reset. What did I learn? Don't try incompatible memory and also, short the battery, don't desolder it. I learned to think more before doing things and to step back and think about the "fix" I plan to do. It was very helpful to screw this up early on when the consequences were small.
10850K 3080 and 32GB 3600MHz RAM with a 850W PSU... works great for e everything I've needed it for
Good luck with the renovations Jay.
I completely agree with you on how complicated things have gotten with the parts. I had not built a PC since 2000 until I decided to build a new one to replace my latest computer. (I'm not a gamer and I went over to Mac when they moved from OS 9 to OS X, which is based on NextStep which is based on a type of UNIX called BSD. I liked the interface and the fact that if anything was wrong I could go to the command line and fix things as I was familiar with UNIX through my work.) Buying a Mac was very easy as it was a matter of choosing the type of machine (laptop or desktop, size of screen, etc), choosing the level of processor (i3, i5, or i7) and then choosing the amount of RAM and storage. But with the move to their custom ARM processors Apple isn't offering machines that meet my needs without spending much more than I want.
When I started looking at buying the parts for my own machine again the choices were overwhelming, especially with graphics cards. It took me a while to get back up to speed so that I could order everything. I found your channel during this time and bought a couple of items, a CPU cooler and power supply, based on your recommendations so thank you. There's no need for all of this confusion, especially when parts with a lower model number outperform parts with a higher model number. I can imagine someone with no experience in computers feeling very intimidated when going computer shopping and having all of these part numbers thrown at them. I built my computer approximately a month ago. It took a few weeks of trying various Linux distributions to find one that is satisfactory enough for now so that I may get on with my work. I'm hoping that most of my dissatisfaction is coming from changing operating systems and will go away with time.
Me before the video:
"This is basically the Pareto principle isn't it?"
Me after the video:
"Yea. It is"
The first step in designing your pc should always be defining the use. in car terms, an economy car (surf the internet), a family hauler (multi-use, light gaming), a sports car(heavy gaming), a utility vehicle (heavy use), a Ferrari (all about image) or a tractor trailer combination (servers). Then chose your CPU, graphics, storage around your use.
When I build systems, I build them for longevity. I don't upgrade very often because what I build doesn't require an upgrade in the short term. My current computer is 10 years old and is rock solid. I upgraded the cooler to a Noctua tower cooler (was using the stock fan at the time), upgraded the hard drives (one "failed" , the other ran out of space), and the video card (the original one died), added a PCIe USB ports (I needed a USB C port). I already spec'd out new parts for my next build. I'm going to start buying parts next month. I'm recovering from c19 and I need time to regain my bearings.