It's not "filler" that's needed, a series just needs to breathe sometimes, and can accomplish that in a minimal amount of chapters. Chainsaw Man is a great example of this, getting you attached to the wide cast of characters with fewer character interactions and arcs than most modern shonen.
Hidden Inventory was perfect in my eyes, very little chapters but somehow we understood how wrong it was to give up a child body to Tengen and changing Amanai beliefs that is should be an honor when it isnt and that she deserves to live a long life after spending time with her maid and the duo seeing that. We also got to see the beliefs of the antagonist like the church and introduction of Toji with 2 fights. I give the anime credit for extending Geto vs Toji, it was really good. The ending was also very good.
I dont like to call it filler, characters interacting together, bonding and forming connections make them human. JJK lacked this so much. The first 3 JJK arcs were so well crafted, perfect dare I say to build everyone up, Kyoto students and status, disaster curses, the main trio, Gojo geto shoko Nanamin hell even Ijichi role. From then on it looses this completely in Culling Games and Shinjuku. We dont get any interaction between the students or the Reincarnated players motives, it would have been the perfect time for Gege to shove the Shadow style school and issues in Culling Games as a set up to pay off after Sukuna death. Its not filler. Shout out to CSM despite the anime being cut off, it's still peaking.
The anime for CSM isn't cut off, it's just that the original director stepped down because Japan is stupid sometimes. Also hard agree on the JJK take in the beginning of your comment. I always thought that JJK lacked moments that gave breathing room for the story and happy interactions between characters. S1 and Hidden Inventory did that so well but then Shibuya happened and then Culling Games and then Shinjuku Showdown and we just had back to back fights without any breathing room. I thought at first it was Gege's way of making it feels realistic but honestly what was I thinking? It wasn't realistic at all, life has its downs but also its ups. And it's for that that I love what the game JJK Phantom Parade is doing with the series. They're giving us event stories and side stories that are those happy moments and interactions or lesser hectic parts. And it made me so happy, because that's what I wanted from the main series. Yes I wanted the hype stuff but also moments with breathing room like this, short happy and funny moments like this. Sorry for the long comment
@@GreekShinobi223 lol cut off as in part 1 was all we got. I understand why it was discontinued for the time being. I simply didn't elaborate on why that is or was. It was a simple shout out its doing so well with the manga alone despite the anime being cut off. But yes JJK is the potential manga. Have you read the Light Novels? They also give really good down time with other characters. I especially liked Nobara and Toge interaction together since they never did in the anime... I wish Nobara and Gojo had an bond as the boys did. Nanamin and Gojo doll mission was also good
Gege had a lot of potential for JJK with many interesting characters and unfortunately we didn’t get much time with them relative to time spent in battles. Hidden Inventory kept to its plot, but also sprinkled in some of those character interactions outside of action to be good with the balance. Needed Gege to have that type of efficiency again.
Honestly pre shibuya he did have that efficiency, with shibuya acting as a powder keg of setups being paid off. The problem is Gege didn’t return to a methodical style at all, even before shinjuku where I’d argue it was essential to create some buildup. I don’t need to see Sukuna’s life story, I don’t need to run through a checklist of every possible interaction, but shinjuku needed stronger ground to stand on instead of explaining most of everything mid fight. It works well when the characters are improvising but it’s hard to tell the stakes when we have no idea what the plan is, how it’s gone right or wrong, etc.. I think is part of what caused the Sukuna cycle where because we have no context for the plan, it comes across as, x character died, but the next plan is apparently this character, and they’re dead again.
@@thecod2345 I think Hidden Inventory is the best example because it was the most character driven narrative (the narrative was primarily about what happened with Gojo and Geto's relationship). So I mean Hidden Inventory as the best example for his peak for that, not that he didn't have any of that pre-Shibuya. So I mean have that type of efficiency post-Shibuya again after that because Hidden Inventory is the peak and LAST example of that before Shibuya. I think we did need a bit more context about Sukuna specifically because of ch 271. Sukuna chosing Uruame over the other woman (who we don't even know who that is for sure) would be more impactful if we had more context of their relationship. When Gege added that last minute bit of humanity to Sukuna, that makes it more justified in getting a little bit more on him, before then not as much, but that made it seem more important because it was part of his crucial character development at the end. Not a whole flashback arc, but even just a bit more of history with Uruame since that was supposed to be a big moment for his character. Yeah, the structure of Sukuna cycle also seemed to be repetitive with Gege having "hype" cliffhangers to make it seems like something game changing was happening, then lackluster pay off the first page of the next chapter. lol
true and the anime will serve as a form of justice for the manga just simply due to the extra scenes and anime exclusives that will expand on characters,hopefully at least
@@leahlan8775 I don't expect the anime to deviate that much from what the manga has tbh. Unless Gege has more specific involvement like a Bleach situation.
@@raec5426 no not really in that sense i just mean the overall like fleshing out of a character it is usually more prevalent in the anime adaptations just because its a scene rather than a page if you get me it can go a bit longer than literally the exact words that were on the page, yeah no i don think a bleach situation would ever happen my guy. In everyones wildest dreams
The thing that defined MHA's story-telling was that it took a slow-burn approach. Midoriya's control of his powers grew incrementally along side his character in a very satisfying manner, Bakugo moved from stereotypical bully to a more well-rounded characters in a way that wasn't contrived, the Endeavor/Todoroki relationship got enough breathing room to address the complicated subject of abuse as more than some afterschool special, there was time to spread focus on the wider cast to give them some fleshing out, and the villains developed from a measly gang of social outcasts and psychopaths to a legitimate threat to the heroes.... then the war arc hit. Suddenly Horikoshi was speed-running. Meaningful set-ups were squandered with hasty and often disappointing pay-offs, while pointless additions somehow crawled their way in - like Stars and Stripes - which might've been excellent if they didn't come-and-go with little thought or consideration. So, yeah, if you're going to write an epic multifaceted story you need pacing that keeps it from devolving into a flow chart of conflicts to resolve and plot points to address.
@@raec5426 Possibly, it is a realistic assumption given the industry. I feel like with JJK, Akutami really wasn't actively invested in a lot of elements of his own work for whatever reason. In that sense what we got with JJK was truly the manga he wanted to make, but all those dropped or quickly disposed of story elements he didn't care about left his readers kind of bemused because they either actively wanted to see them come into fruition or simply felt the story become increasingly hollow as a consequence of this... distilling.
Also i will say he was scared of having private moments between other characters or making them more of the focus. Like the author was allergic to making advancements in romance, the 2nd to last chapter with all kids appearing after deku and occhaco's moment ruined the breathing room for them
The problem is that the war arc forced the characters out of their regular school routines indefinitely, unlike previous arcs where rescuing Bakugo or stopping Overhaul were problems they could solve quickly and get back to school no problem. There wasn't any downtime after the war arc because you couldn't have downtime and normal school life while society is collapsing and Deku is doing everything he can to keep the world together.
As much as Bleach is criticized for it’s fillers, the stories were in their own way entertaining and true to the characters. We wouldn’t fallen in love with Bleach’s cast which is made up of more than 20 if they weren’t down to earth pro from time to time.
Honestly I think the Bleach filler is overhated and underrated. I like how they gave this large class so much love, and the zanpakuto arc was a delightful addition.
@@BestgirlJordanfish Tbh the worst aspect of the filler wasn't the content itself but it's placement within arcs like what happened during hueco mundo arc. I don't fault it too much since they're waiting for manga content at the time.
@jareader3295 honestly if amagai and the zanpukto arc where place somewhere in the arrancar arc while they where training, most people wouldn't have known they where filler. The bleach filler also did a great job on expanding on ideas Kubo didn't have time to in the manga.
I've never really had a problem with filler outside of Naruto. The problem with Naruto filler arcs is that they're often not actually downtime, they're just more fights, except this time we don't care about the guy they're fighting.
What’s crazy is that I’m realizing how great sports series are at balancing the core storytelling while incorporating moments of brevity that not break up the intense elements but also give the viewer something different and adds to the development of the characters
JJK was always at its best in my eyes during moments like Yuji VS Higuruma because it gave you an intense fight but also a window into the emotional struggles from both contenders where as other fights are more concerned with just completing a task if that makes sense
@@JohnnyStar this so much!! The high fantasy shonen to sports anime pipeline is so real 😭 I was just telling my friend that no over-the-top world battle would have me as stressed as a championship game with third years 😭💀 Those calmer moments between games and practice like walking home or them playing video games/reading comics etc really sold them more as characters to me
I like that you showed Kagurabachi in the beginning of the vid because, while I've been loving the series so far, I've noticed that it's been moving at a breakneck pace since the beginning. The pacing works great for now since a lot of characterization happens through flashbacks but I hope that there's a bit more downtime for the characters in future arcs.
what you are talking about isnt filler, filler is anime stuff only that happens just so it dosent catch up with the manga or just to get more money, gege just didnt focus on the characters interactions at all, having only a few minimal talks, jjk was always a plot driven manga, not a character driven manga, but still, he could have focused more on building the character before the culling game or show the 2 month training, but he started rushing the series and was having healthy issues close to the end which made him rush even more because of shonen jum p scheduly.
It's funniest part about the end of jjk was the fandom finally realizing that they were missing an actual story under all them fights and power explanations😂🤣
Uhh yeah? Why shouldn't we know what happened to Yuuji's parents? Yuuji doesn't care because he never met them, and even then it's a bit contrived, but we are the audience and do deserve some answers. Kenjaku being Yuuji's mom and the latter not caring, not thinking, not having a single opinion about it is like if Luke learned Darth Vader was his father and he shrugged offscreen.
Yuji's lack of concern for his biological parents struck me as odd, but it seemed like he cared more about his grandfather than anyone else until he went to Jujutsu High School and met Choso, I don't think that was hypocrisy, it's practical and better than him killing a curse right at the start and without hesitation, he simply wants to take care of him and doesn't want to hear more about people who don't care like real parents. However, as an audience and a fan of this character, I am really excited to know more about his parents' past.
For the Jin part genuinely and honestly that isn’t greed. Cause Yuji’s gramps knew something was up with kaori so using the Jin example for “greed” doesn’t work. Nobody would’ve questioned what happened to Jin cause up to that point Yuji’s parents were a black box mystery. Gege showed us that wasuke knew what was up, jin for whatever reason found “peace” in this sort of temporary situation. If an author brings up a question to something the fans themselves never actually asked or cared for then it’s on the author to deliver on that proposition cause they’re giving us the impression that what this is, is important, Yuji never cared about his past and by extension we never questioned it but again that flashback, it created new questions Gege is truly like kubo where he will introduce concepts and potential arcs for characters and just never touch them
What I love about Naruto is that it's quite fast paced, while still giving the reader a breathable moment where it's needed. Like letting the reader absorb an emotional moment, some comic relief, all while not loosing it's fast pace... The series can still feel like it should be longer due to it not spending a lot of time on weaker storylines, which can be good, depending on the reader.
It is not Filler that people wanted, they wanted a ACTUAL CHARACTER WRITING. The reason why a story get popular is because of the story and THE CHARACTERs, so having them interact with one another fleshed out the story. That why so many people felt like JJK ending was rushed, we were just told stuff and not seeing the actual character doing the say things. Like IMAGINE IF WE GOT A ACTUAL FUNERAL FOR GOJO, I know damn well Yuji and Yuta will say lot since Gojo kinda save their lives and Megumi would at least thanks Gojo for kinda raising him. But instead we are just told information, it make the writing feel more robotic and less human. But that is just my opinion
100% agree, mainly with JJK because their main if not only way to make characters interact is fight scenes. Even Deku, Sakamoto, Luffy and any other shonen protagonist that shared a WSJ cover with Yuji felt more like a friend for him compared to characters from JJK
When it comes to jujutsu Kaisen and my hero academia, my main criticism is them setting up a broader society and society issues, and then never addressing them or expanding on it. my hero academia starts talking about mutant racism resolution write a book about your feelings. Jujutsu Kaisen the world discovers curses exist and there’s an unseen energy source. A couple soldiers get killed that’s it. These are insanely interesting huge concepts never fully explored. When people talk about filler, I hope they mean they want more of that instead of character romance or slice of life stuff
Ronin: Did we really need to know what happened to yuji's dad who wanted that? Literally everyone who got invested in the mystery that gege hinted he would explore:......
the last chapters after sukuna death was probably one of the most unnecessary shit i read in a manga,I DON'T CARE ABOUT SOME GIMMICK OR SIMPLE DOMAIN BS,THE BATTLE IS OVER THE BAD GUY IS DEAD,make the characters talk like humans instead of exposition or "What ifs",seriously for a moment i thought gege was just responding YT comments through the characters Like,imagine FMAB ending and instead of characters...you know...INTERECTING LIKE ACTUAL CHARACTERS,they just were talking about strategies that they didn't used for some reason,bad right?
This is a really good discussion and I recognize these thoughts, being a fan of jjk and other shonen of the past, but I feel like the other side of the coin isn’t appreciated enough. It was briefly mentioned as a possible consideration for health or to give mangaka a larger breadth of work, but I think there’s also narrative value IN brevity and in focus. You’ve called Jjk Efficient before, and really I prefer the term, focused. I definitely agree that there could’ve been some more expanded on near the end, but overall, I think one of the best things about Jjk is Gege’s style. It keeps it exciting. Stories being tightly written are generally considered “good”. Ultimately I think a lot of it can be case by case. I think for battle Shonen being fast is something I’d enjoy moving forward. I recognize the Dandadan example and I love and appreciate DDD and I’m caught up, but it’s not quite the same as a jjk. It’s got different needs obviously. Ig what I’m trying to say is, yes, down time can be great, but telling something more concise, ESPECIALLY in a battle Shonen space is a welcome change. The best to hope for is a little balance in the other direction.
I agree with your point, I personally don't want a story about in impending threat upon the earth to have 100 chapters of "mission to find the best tasting udon noodles" i want to really feel the pressure. But in a story where there isn't a looming Thanos level threat then I'm happy having those moments
Its not filler thats needed. Its character establishment and room for set up and delivery thats needed. Filler can pad out a story, but its the real meat on the bones that people fully enjoy. Theres a way to blend character and world development naturally in the setting and dialog of your story. Theres great benefits in planning out your big arc early and taking a chapter or two to sprinkle in a little bit of foreshadowing or setup for some of the themes, decisions or big moments that will happen soon to come. Stories blitzing past all the important aspects of a story like character interaction, scene building or establishing setting to get to the good parts of the series. Shit, build up a couple of mysteries in those slow moments to pay off when you get to the moments in the main arcs. Stories are better when theyre planned out before you jump into a big decision. Its easy to fuck up and tell your story too early through setup, but thats just bad writing on your end. Misdirection is a thing. Set up a scenerio that looks like it can go one or two ways and go with a completely left feild third option to break ankles. Its what makes one piece one of the most engaging series of all time for its entire run. Everything feels like it holds weight because every aspect of the series that matters has time to breathe and really find itself before anything else is established and when new stuff IS established, 9 out of 10 times, its tied to something set up prior to the moment
Good story telling is not” filler” deliberately setting up plot lines, then not executing them, or introducing Main Characters then never fleshing them out, is simply bad storytelling .
Whether you like this series you not, Fairy Tail is a great example of a series that balances the need to push to story along while also giving the characters very much needed downtime to think about what’s going on or to just chill
This is extremely interesting and I think you make a lot of good points I think I had a lot of the same thoughts but struggled to put them into words I mostly really liked the ends of jjk and mha. I think I take what you said and put it in my own work
No. 1.) There's a difference between having moments or arcs where you develop your characters, relationships, themes/beliefs, or world building and then straight up filler. 2.) The MANGA doesn't need filler the ARTISTS do; they need breaks. A.) These are things that Gege just straight up nearly refused to spend any time on. You can get away with developing your world/characters/relationships with fights and to some degree Gege was able to partially achieve that, but I think the moment when the 2nd Editor was removed from the picture was when that got tossed out the window, bc that 2nd editor pushed Gege to write at 120% of his skill. Filler is not what JJK needed, it needed better writing and a good editor who wasn't a Yes-man A manga is more than its fights, and thats a hypothesis that JJK tested nearly to its breaking point near the end. Thats why Yuji's DE was so respected it was an oasis of character focused writing in a desert of fighting. and it takes a EXTREME level of or LACK of writing quality to make MANGA fans dislike fighting scenes. like that is INSANE. B.) Part of the problem is also the business culture, schedule and expectations placed on Mangakas, and the fact that its serialized. They may not have ALL the details fully fleshed out when they get the green light and then its GO TIME. So they focus on story writing Efficiency rather than a well rounded story especially near the end, cause they are DONE. And since both planned on ending their series with FIGHTS thats all we got mostly. They pump out an insane amount of work on multiple lvls for NONSTOP for serious periods of time. And some of them struggle to keep up for any number of reasons. Imagine if Manga got seasons like anime. Gave the mangaka some time to recollect their energy and refine the direction of the story. Both JJK and MHA seem like they ran out of steam in the end, and both would have benefited either from more consistent breaks or at least a few bigger breaks. Then maybe they'd have the ability to craft more compelling endings. But JJK has a few more issues up its sleeve...
I am 100% fine with no downtime or quiet moments if the manga is extremely efficient. Take for example Gege’s brilliant use of Black text bubbles to show when a character is cursed. Yuji’s grandpa’s last words are marked as being a curse to Yuji, something he strives for out of obligation rather than his own wishes. Then when he overcomes this we see the text bubble return to normal white coloring. This is much more brilliant and nuanced than Yuji explaining to another character how he feels trapped by this, then another interaction later with him describing how he overcame it. Here we can guess and think about what exactly made him overcome it. Less is more. But when less is lacking in efficiency, then it truly becomes lacking. Like Nobara showing back up at the last second. (To me it would be far better writing to leave her dead but for this I will use her living as an example) if Nobara was coming back then saving a main character return for a couple chapters wastes a lot, she only interacted with Yuji and Megumi really and mainly just had a cute scene with them. It didnt add anything to her or the other characters. Sure it added a lot of hope that the 3 main characters beat Sukuna together, but her return being a surprise wasnt really needed to make this happen (just a surprise that she was able to help at this moment, so have her be injured earlier in the battle). She never got to interact with Sukuna, Yuji at his darkest moments, show thoughts on Megumi being taken over, thoughts on Gojo’s death, etc. Overal though I think JJK does a really good with efficient writing to where I wouldnt judge it overal for being too fast paced, but rather just judge the moments where it fails (Kenjaku, Nobara, and Hikari)
Great take, so basically it is good paced narrative structure, yeah the world was better when we had arcs like Debby back fight, and mangaka wrote and drew like they were having fun, but now JJK and Mha felt tired, rushed, and just wanted to end as soon as possible
I think if JJK just had another short chill arc right after gojo gets released it would have been so much more loved and fixed so many issues. We get more character interactions and it we actually see the characters training and preparing. Maybe see kashimo and gojo interact and talk about being the strongest or something. I remember when Gege just showed a time skip to immediately see the gojo vs sukuna fight everyone was started hating on gege. I've never seen so much hate for gege at that point. Before this everyone was pretty positive about gege as a writer but this is where we saw people actually realise he's not as good as we thought.
JJK don't need filler, it needs a story😂that ish was tight budget shopping list used by dad on a late Friday afternoon. Just in and out, no extras or. Nothing!
It needed character interactions, because many characters had so little interactions that would make you and me look like best friends even if we are two strangers
What do you mean? Anyway, I'm having some fillers like jujutsu scroll. Will allow for a lot. This is why I hope the anime when it gets the chance will put a pause on gojo vs. sukuna and help give us some things to do on the filler side.
Ive been away for to long.....and this video was a breathe of fresh air. I counted how many episode the "Bount arc" was........44 episodes..... That not how you do filler I never liked when show's from the east or west. If its the pedal to metal....it makes me overwhelmed. A nice 3 episodic episode ate need to bring us back to normality. That why fullbring Arc was so great..it gave us a breather...but SMACKED you with psychological thriller. Filler is good..but place it well.
in this case, a filler arc isnt to simple give more world building, in anime cases it mostly happen so the manga can get far ahead so the anime dont catch up in adapting it, and it happens a lot on old animes like bleach, naruto and one piece. and some of them arent fully writed by the author so its often pretty boring to watch or not fun.
In general, JJK feels like it just didn't give any of the characters save Gojo or Maki enough time to breathe and have an arc to develop themselves, nor did it give them an opponent to cut their teeth on to prove their importance. Yuji had Mahito, Gojo had Toji and Sukuna, and Maki had the Zen'in Clan and Cursed Naoya, but I can't really think of anyone else who got real catharsis for their characterization. _Maybe_ Yuta, but most of that occurred in Chapter Zero, with the Sendai Colony mostly just being there for him to show off.
And also, filler can be used for some extra clarity when it comes to a story that's being rushed. Most people don't know that huge parts of kakashi, hashirama's and kaguya's backstory all come from filler.
I think Sui Ishida is another that does this well, especially in Choujin X where he's allowed to publish chapters whenever he wants instead of a weekly cycle, and a lot of hype moments are intertwined with the character's internal thoughts and very tense arcs are given moments that slow the pace down or even add a little comedy, hell some of the best moments are because we know exactly what the characters are feeling so we understand the importance of certain moments better (the most recent chapters with Azuma are great examples of this)
Jjk really needs it, TodoYuki story? Kenjaku and Tengen's past? Sukuna? Heian era? Other character interactions basides fight scenes after chapter 50? The manga felt lackluster and overwhelming at the same time, it's just a really bittersweet feeling.
About Deku in the final battle... His inner conflict has always been represented thru his hero costume and design. For example, there are only two arcs after his first fight with bakugo where he wears his full mask, the Overhaul arc (whwere he strugles between being himself or more like All Might to show he is worthy of One for All) and the Dark Hero Arc (Where he internally puts all of society on his shouders, like All Might used to). That means that all the changes of costume Deku has in the final battle are a representation of his feelings and inner thoughts (The fight strips him down to his core, and in the end his admiration of heroes in general gives him the strength to defeat Shigaraki). As you said, sometimes you need to read between the lines
Bro I been writing a series of my own and this is something Big I focus on doing different getting your audience to truly care about your characters by letting them get to know them personally and not just getting to know how they act in context to an action story
I've always thought that modern anime needed more filler. Anyone who says that the konoha 11 didn't get that much screen time didn't watch the fillers. Animes like jjk and mha have so many side characters I love that the main story doesn't have time for, so we need filler.
MHA has OVAs and side content in spin off manga/many light novels so you can get more there. Ironically people complained when MHA had "filler" regardless, but there's side content where you can get "filler". You can't have too much filler in the plot, as much as people say they want it, they also can complain, as seen with MHA. JJK doesn't even have that much unfortunately (only 2 light novels).
People wanted JJK to have some "filler" and then say Fullbring in Bleach was too slow and boring. Can't please everyone, on top of people not knowing what they want
I half agree. JJK's story definitely moved too fast in certain areas, especially in the beginning with Yuji 'dying' a few chapters after introduced. But the Culling Games had sevaral pointless fights and introduced a ton of new characters. Yes the final arc called back to them but most of those callbacks had minimal impact on that long ass fight. My Hero Academia actually suffered from too much filler overall. Dozens of characters could have been written out and the story would have been better for it. Class A should have been half the size that it was.
5:09 Okay this is kind of BS because no one cared about his dad they cared about his mom literally being one of the major antagonists. You can't have that be a piece of information that's just not expanded on, especially when choso being related to yuji is treated with a lot of care, so why they wouldn't bond over shared disdain for kenjaku makes zero sense.
We started caring about his dad when we found out he was sukunas twin soul. Like.... HUH??? And also Wasuke knowing about Jujutsu society, like does Yuji actually come from a sorcerer family? Does Jin know about this? Does he know about Sukuna? And most importantly does Yuji even know? I want some answers.
@ Him being sukunas twin soul was just as much of a nothingburger as kenjaku being his mom. Neither were ever made to seem like they mattered beyond shock value, and exposition for why characters were a certain way.
I feel like a much better word for filler is fluff. You see it used to describe exactly what your talking about but just in the context of a romance novel. Expanding the definition to just mean "down-time withing a story to just get to know and build apon your like of a character" would be much simpler and efficient.
I am not exaggerating when I say that Jujustroll was one of my favourite elements of JJK. The little skits that got to show us glimpses into the every day life and the little character quirks of all of our favourite characters. I wish there were more of them because I absolutely love all the characters. The main trio (Yuji and Nobara especially) all sharing a braincell when together in downtime, the inseperable bond between Yuji and Todo, or Gojo being a goober at all times. I was so sorely disappointed when I finished the anime and heard that we would get no more of them hanging out and chilling.
I think it would be cool to get certain stuff explored like Something from past Sukuna/ Something about a previous six eyes and limitless users where we see the Gojo clan/ A Tsukumo arc where she trains Todo and they do missions with young Todo/ A Kamo clan arc where Kenjaku is setting up his plans and getting his reputation as evil/ A couple more but those are sum base ones off top
Shonen fans will say they want more of this but always complain when they get it in a series. A lot of viewers aren’t actually fans of what they’re consuming and don’t understand it. Shonen has to be top 5 worst fanbases of all time
You're 1000% right, but this is not just a problem for Shonen, it's for every anime that goes (and doesn't go) mainstream. Case and point, Vinland Saga and AoT
@@GreekShinobi223 if you're *not* gonna consider aot and vinland saga mainstream, then basically nothing except naruto, dragonball, one piece, and jujutsu kaisen are mainstream
to be fair, characters interactions to build them isnt filler, and in anime, most fillers that happen are just for the sake of giving the manga time to get far away from the anime so they dont catch up, so these fillers are pretty shit.
My perspective that ive had honestly since the second arc doesnt need filler it needs devopment. If your name isnt gojo or yuji your an undeveloped character thats why it feels so rushed not that the development was bad its just they didnt get enough of it (if they even got it at all) such as principle yaga you go back and look and hes not really in that many panels and we really learn much about him at all and that could be said for basically every character aswell as i lot of potential ideas or seeds were put in that ended up being just kinda left to rot we dont even really know anything about the golden age of sorcery it basically just speculation because we never see any of it
Dandadan hit me like a plane on9/11.(very distasteful i know) Ive rewatched about abkut 4 times. It hits that rom com action combination as you daid BR
Eh hard disagree. A manga doeant need anything to be good except the vision of the author to be consistent imo. Like JJK was fantastically paced and exciting for 80 percent of the manga, ppl just really dont get Shonen series have ass endings.
I remember when we got down time from the sukuna fight with Takaba vs kenjaku and mfs were absolutely loosing their mind and complaining about the momentum for the Sukuna fight being dropped lol
I definitely agree especially in mum's case tbh I feel like people only really like jjk because of gojo, it's villains, TS power system and most of all its fights but because of that and gets rushing through the series it feels like we dont even really know the characters or have a reason to care for or like them.
My rule of thumb with filler is that if you can’t write an enjoyable scene of your characters interacting in a way that doesn’t involve explosions and punching, then maybe you need to rethink how you’re writing the story.
Filler is needed!!! As long as the creator can give key points to delegate so that continuity/power scalers don’t bitch about plot holes. Being able to share different/more stories with characters made Bleach & Naruto that much more enjoyable. Ie- the new Jujutsu Kaisen Mobile game in injecting filler chatabuets and arcs into their game, which is super enjoyable since every character gets merked before you even get time to breath with each character.
I for one kind of disagree with some anime needing filler, Like jjk specificly before the shibuya arc sure some build up to the characters could have been nice but the problem is that the theme hes going for, this isnt old gen with naruto where they can one episode have him dying to the next where he relaxes on a beach, its meant to be realistic and after shibuya yuji has no time to relax at all hes not only being hunted. Sure it killed a lot of the characters but if jjk had a naruto like run style it would be suffercating to watch. When we watch something like jjk its the slope of no return as we follow itadori on his journey as he was told by mahito "This isnt some bug extermination" or whatever it was he showed also the audience that it wasnt like other shonen where its friendship that wins even though it was yuji and todo who had the last laugh it still changed the story where it was more serious than before so to take out all that with some random filler somewhere wouldnt help the story hes building. Like i said if he did a lot of filler before it became that rabbit hole of yuji in pain it could have added a lot more shock value when people realised it wasnt just another power of friendship shonen.
No no no. Fuck no. The consumer needs to learn to wait for a quality meal rather than squel for non-stop slop. Don't even try to put the fault on the story teller for not writing useless material
@BrokenRonin oh you just conflated slow periods in a narrative with filler. To this i would just use an example. Dragon Ball fans claimed they wanted more "down time". We were given a terrible arc about trunks and goten that was poorly recieved and no one talks about. Every scene should have purpose forward and every line of dialogue should move the plot forward. Look to a different story rather than act as tho "down time" is a sure thing across the board
@@ThusSpokeFlexo Once again, you are arguing against a stance i dont have and actually agreeing with much of what was in the video. "Filler" as I define it within the context of this video is merely shorthand for expanding on relevant characters and storylines. You can do that badly sure, but you can do anything badly from a narrative perspective. Some stories fail to write humor or good fights, but that doesn't disqualify those things from being valuable in certain contexts, which is all I argue for in this video.
@@BrokenRonin bro just dont use the word filler than. I also still think its only half true. Jjk needed more chapters sure but they didnt necessarily have to be slow. Just show, dont tell
@@ThusSpokeFlexo I definitely think JJK could've went slower in certain things. The levels of attachment to the characters and story as a whole wasn't much tbh.
That's not filler. You're asking for short, entertaining story arcs that build on characters and their relationships amongst each other, where the scope of the plot and the stakes are realtively small compared to the major arcs, but still meaningful. Ideally, it would be interspersed in between major arcs as a breather.
And that’s why I love DanDaDan. It has a lot of action but it also has a lot of moments where the characters just have fun and interact with each other
don't think i've seen anyone mention vagabond. the farming arc is my favourite arc in the series because its a perfect depiction of musashi's growth and it doesnt feature any fancy swordplay from him (unless you count his training i guess)
I think something important that people forget to talk about when they miss out on more "filler"/break or longer ones, is that the long mangas of the past are basically life's work where they spent years drawing and writing weekly, most new authors don't want to dedicate decades of their lives to just one manga and they want to work on other stories and not just one.
The need for downtime is something that really jumped out for me when I was reading Black Clover recently. After the end of the Spade Kingdom arc we immediately get a time skip of over a year, and within one chapter the new villain has shown up and started the new arc. It sucked, because I didn't even have time to acknowledge that the previous conflict had ended, even though the characters had moved on from it, and so when the new fights started I was still in that actiony mindset and it just made me feel tired more than anything else. It made me miss the anime, which yes has a lot of filler especially in its latter half which isn't always good, but I honestly prefer bad anime filler to just constant action with no cooldown.
5:23 imagine writing the father of the protag and fucking it up this bad, man. 😂😂😭😭😭 literally every other mainstream shonen writer nails this. Kishimoto? fucking nailed it. Kubo? he was cooking. Toriyama? he built some intrigue, but mostly let Toei handle Bardok. Oda? he is cooking. Togashi? also nailed it. Itagaki? certified Head Chef.
Hey Ronin, you should make one with Aang and/or Korra. My initial thought is that, while they have great power, they would have trouble with the speed of the JJK charachters. But then I remembered lightning bending, and that characters in Avatar have an easier time reacting to lightning than Hakari in the fight against Kashimo, so this should be very interesting. Edit: they would also be able to hurt Mahito :D
I don’t mind One Piece doing fewer crewmate interactions. Oda’s, like, 45 years old let the man finish his comic so he can spend some time with his wife and kid.
Ironically a lot of fans have been wanting more breathing room lately lol There's a worry that Oda might rush towards the ending or that certain things in the story will fly by too fast when they have more potential if they are explored at a pace that isn't very quick.
Ngl, once upon a time I would have said absolutely no. Since I got burnt out on it initially when grinding through Naruto especially. However, I think filler can be used to really explore characters and the implications of the world.
I think about this a lot with naruto, the story really needed a few more chapters like the kakashi's face one to really make the fact that Naruto and Sasuke are friends, but shonenfans start kicking and crying if something doesn't advance the story (i.e character development not in a fight)
If im summarizing this correctly the problem is some mangas focus more on the bigger plot and tend to avoid creating smaller plots that help build upon the characters and the world. Both go hand in hand and without one the other tends to feel rushed or incomplete. Alot of manga now seem to not use those opportunities as much as they should, guess i have to take it into my own hands.
The best example of all time for this is Black Clover. The chapters always feel like this: -30 chapters of fights -the greatest character interactions you have ever laid your eyes on for 1 single chapter -30 chapters of fights -repeat
I somewhat understand the decision to time skip, showing training would deadass just give away Gojo's gonna lose....... Also we all know the real reason is that gege can't write training to save his life
I think there's a middle ground where Gege could have shown interactions on screen before the timeskip. He didn't have to show everything in real time for training since he obviously wanted to save stuff for reveals, but we should have gotten a bit more interactions before jumping into final battle. So a couple chapters with interactions first and then the timeskip could suffice.
What makes you say that? We just never got to see a training arc, but I don't think it's cause he can't write it. I agree he should have hidden that fact with the training. That way, we had 1 month with the characters and to set things up.
@@faith4657 Apparently Gege’s editor told him if he was going to do a training arc he had to make it amazing. If he didn’t think he could pull it off then he should probably avoid it. Gege wasn’t confident in his ability to write one so he didn’t. Gege said something to that effect in an interview.
@@faith4657 Unfortunately, I saw it on the JJK subreddits and can’t recall what thread I saw it. I don’t remember if they specified placement for a training arc
I would love if the anime did a us invasion filler arc in between the culling game and battle in shinjuku arc to give us that breather and bring value to that dropped plot point
For JJK, I think that the primary weakness it has as a story is that things happen too quickly. One or the things that works well in longer series is that the passage of time is used to mirror character growth. Yuji, as a protagonist, has several major shifts in his worldview over the course of several months, which might take other protagonists a few years to reach. I think that letting more things happen in the story, even if it wasn't downtime, could have helped those shifts happen more naturally. It would have been cool to see the story take place over the entirety of Yuji's high school career, maybe with each year having a theme to it. It would have also given the peripheral cast a chance to shine a little more and let their abilities and personalities develop more alongside Yuji's
I feel that mangas that came out in the 90s or 2000s had more time to flesh things out but as the medium "evolved", people now seek for quick realization of those stories, that's why we get many mangas that have fast pacing and need to deliver constantly on a weekly basis. Jump doesn't help with the grueling schedule and author's fear of cancellation. It's ok to have down time, it's ok to let things breathe.
Hot take: I really think that we should bring back the villain of the week format. It can still have the hype, explore themes and characters on a deeper level, and can slowly introduce worldbuilding and plot elements. It also allows for more downtime and "filler" moments for a breather.
The cool part of JJK is that even despite us only having sprinkles of what it has to offer, Gege's limited world building made the series feel so alive! In the anime, (and ED's) they're shown hanging out, just behaving as normal people in a malignant and evil world. I'd kill to see someone like Gojo or Megumi just going on with their daily lives while exorcising curses on the side. Kinda like how Nanami swiped that shoulder curse away on that bread lady.
Now we need a baseball tournament arc where Yuji hits black flash homeruns non stop
@@Gameproducer6 gameproducer6? I didn't expect to see you here
@ why of course, massive JJK fan at heart
It's not "filler" that's needed, a series just needs to breathe sometimes, and can accomplish that in a minimal amount of chapters. Chainsaw Man is a great example of this, getting you attached to the wide cast of characters with fewer character interactions and arcs than most modern shonen.
If you want a series like that you should check out invincible. It’s a comic but it has great pacing
@ not gonna lie, i heavily dislike invincible. too many character inconsistencies and forced drama i fear
@@daltoniospizza9175 oh, my bad
@@RWR785 I liked season one, but season two dropped in quality imo. I appreciate the rec still though 👍
Hidden Inventory was perfect in my eyes, very little chapters but somehow we understood how wrong it was to give up a child body to Tengen and changing Amanai beliefs that is should be an honor when it isnt and that she deserves to live a long life after spending time with her maid and the duo seeing that. We also got to see the beliefs of the antagonist like the church and introduction of Toji with 2 fights. I give the anime credit for extending Geto vs Toji, it was really good. The ending was also very good.
I dont like to call it filler, characters interacting together, bonding and forming connections make them human. JJK lacked this so much. The first 3 JJK arcs were so well crafted, perfect dare I say to build everyone up, Kyoto students and status, disaster curses, the main trio, Gojo geto shoko Nanamin hell even Ijichi role. From then on it looses this completely in Culling Games and Shinjuku. We dont get any interaction between the students or the Reincarnated players motives, it would have been the perfect time for Gege to shove the Shadow style school and issues in Culling Games as a set up to pay off after Sukuna death. Its not filler.
Shout out to CSM despite the anime being cut off, it's still peaking.
CSM peaking indeed
The anime for CSM isn't cut off, it's just that the original director stepped down because Japan is stupid sometimes. Also hard agree on the JJK take in the beginning of your comment. I always thought that JJK lacked moments that gave breathing room for the story and happy interactions between characters. S1 and Hidden Inventory did that so well but then Shibuya happened and then Culling Games and then Shinjuku Showdown and we just had back to back fights without any breathing room. I thought at first it was Gege's way of making it feels realistic but honestly what was I thinking? It wasn't realistic at all, life has its downs but also its ups. And it's for that that I love what the game JJK Phantom Parade is doing with the series. They're giving us event stories and side stories that are those happy moments and interactions or lesser hectic parts. And it made me so happy, because that's what I wanted from the main series. Yes I wanted the hype stuff but also moments with breathing room like this, short happy and funny moments like this. Sorry for the long comment
@@GreekShinobi223 lol cut off as in part 1 was all we got. I understand why it was discontinued for the time being. I simply didn't elaborate on why that is or was. It was a simple shout out its doing so well with the manga alone despite the anime being cut off. But yes JJK is the potential manga. Have you read the Light Novels? They also give really good down time with other characters. I especially liked Nobara and Toge interaction together since they never did in the anime... I wish Nobara and Gojo had an bond as the boys did. Nanamin and Gojo doll mission was also good
Beginning of JJK just has such a good feel to it..
@@SemekiIzuio I haven't read the novels, not a fan of reading. Still it's pretty cool they did that
Yoooooo, my dyslexic ass first read this in the most sus way possible.
“The desire to be filled.”
LMFAO
That's nice
November has NOT been kind to yall
@@BetBlood in Spanish we have a saying that goes as follows "el que tiene hambre en pan piensa" which means "who is hungry in bread thinks"
Same
Gege had a lot of potential for JJK with many interesting characters and unfortunately we didn’t get much time with them relative to time spent in battles. Hidden Inventory kept to its plot, but also sprinkled in some of those character interactions outside of action to be good with the balance. Needed Gege to have that type of efficiency again.
Honestly pre shibuya he did have that efficiency, with shibuya acting as a powder keg of setups being paid off. The problem is Gege didn’t return to a methodical style at all, even before shinjuku where I’d argue it was essential to create some buildup. I don’t need to see Sukuna’s life story, I don’t need to run through a checklist of every possible interaction, but shinjuku needed stronger ground to stand on instead of explaining most of everything mid fight. It works well when the characters are improvising but it’s hard to tell the stakes when we have no idea what the plan is, how it’s gone right or wrong, etc.. I think is part of what caused the Sukuna cycle where because we have no context for the plan, it comes across as, x character died, but the next plan is apparently this character, and they’re dead again.
@@thecod2345 I think Hidden Inventory is the best example because it was the most character driven narrative (the narrative was primarily about what happened with Gojo and Geto's relationship). So I mean Hidden Inventory as the best example for his peak for that, not that he didn't have any of that pre-Shibuya. So I mean have that type of efficiency post-Shibuya again after that because Hidden Inventory is the peak and LAST example of that before Shibuya.
I think we did need a bit more context about Sukuna specifically because of ch 271. Sukuna chosing Uruame over the other woman (who we don't even know who that is for sure) would be more impactful if we had more context of their relationship. When Gege added that last minute bit of humanity to Sukuna, that makes it more justified in getting a little bit more on him, before then not as much, but that made it seem more important because it was part of his crucial character development at the end. Not a whole flashback arc, but even just a bit more of history with Uruame since that was supposed to be a big moment for his character.
Yeah, the structure of Sukuna cycle also seemed to be repetitive with Gege having "hype" cliffhangers to make it seems like something game changing was happening, then lackluster pay off the first page of the next chapter. lol
true and the anime will serve as a form of justice for the manga just simply due to the extra scenes and anime exclusives that will expand on characters,hopefully at least
@@leahlan8775 I don't expect the anime to deviate that much from what the manga has tbh. Unless Gege has more specific involvement like a Bleach situation.
@@raec5426 no not really in that sense i just mean the overall like fleshing out of a character it is usually more prevalent in the anime adaptations just because its a scene rather than a page if you get me it can go a bit longer than literally the exact words that were on the page, yeah no i don think a bleach situation would ever happen my guy. In everyones wildest dreams
The thing that defined MHA's story-telling was that it took a slow-burn approach.
Midoriya's control of his powers grew incrementally along side his character in a very satisfying manner, Bakugo moved from stereotypical bully to a more well-rounded characters in a way that wasn't contrived, the Endeavor/Todoroki relationship got enough breathing room to address the complicated subject of abuse as more than some afterschool special, there was time to spread focus on the wider cast to give them some fleshing out, and the villains developed from a measly gang of social outcasts and psychopaths to a legitimate threat to the heroes.... then the war arc hit.
Suddenly Horikoshi was speed-running. Meaningful set-ups were squandered with hasty and often disappointing pay-offs, while pointless additions somehow crawled their way in - like Stars and Stripes - which might've been excellent if they didn't come-and-go with little thought or consideration.
So, yeah, if you're going to write an epic multifaceted story you need pacing that keeps it from devolving into a flow chart of conflicts to resolve and plot points to address.
It's obviously a symptom of burn out for doing MHA for a decade. JJK had a faster paced story and also had some similar issues.
@@raec5426 Possibly, it is a realistic assumption given the industry. I feel like with JJK, Akutami really wasn't actively invested in a lot of elements of his own work for whatever reason. In that sense what we got with JJK was truly the manga he wanted to make, but all those dropped or quickly disposed of story elements he didn't care about left his readers kind of bemused because they either actively wanted to see them come into fruition or simply felt the story become increasingly hollow as a consequence of this... distilling.
Very well said!
Also i will say he was scared of having private moments between other characters or making them more of the focus. Like the author was allergic to making advancements in romance, the 2nd to last chapter with all kids appearing after deku and occhaco's moment ruined the breathing room for them
The problem is that the war arc forced the characters out of their regular school routines indefinitely, unlike previous arcs where rescuing Bakugo or stopping Overhaul were problems they could solve quickly and get back to school no problem. There wasn't any downtime after the war arc because you couldn't have downtime and normal school life while society is collapsing and Deku is doing everything he can to keep the world together.
As much as Bleach is criticized for it’s fillers, the stories were in their own way entertaining and true to the characters.
We wouldn’t fallen in love with Bleach’s cast which is made up of more than 20 if they weren’t down to earth pro from time to time.
And Bleach TYBW anime really benefitted from all the new content.
Honestly I think the Bleach filler is overhated and underrated. I like how they gave this large class so much love, and the zanpakuto arc was a delightful addition.
@@BestgirlJordanfish Tbh the worst aspect of the filler wasn't the content itself but it's placement within arcs like what happened during hueco mundo arc. I don't fault it too much since they're waiting for manga content at the time.
@jareader3295 honestly if amagai and the zanpukto arc where place somewhere in the arrancar arc while they where training, most people wouldn't have known they where filler. The bleach filler also did a great job on expanding on ideas Kubo didn't have time to in the manga.
I've never really had a problem with filler outside of Naruto. The problem with Naruto filler arcs is that they're often not actually downtime, they're just more fights, except this time we don't care about the guy they're fighting.
What’s crazy is that I’m realizing how great sports series are at balancing the core storytelling while incorporating moments of brevity that not break up the intense elements but also give the viewer something different and adds to the development of the characters
JJK was always at its best in my eyes during moments like Yuji VS Higuruma because it gave you an intense fight but also a window into the emotional struggles from both contenders where as other fights are more concerned with just completing a task if that makes sense
@@JohnnyStarfuck that was forgettable ngl 💀
@@aaronfrantz25 to you
@@JohnnyStar this so much!! The high fantasy shonen to sports anime pipeline is so real 😭 I was just telling my friend that no over-the-top world battle would have me as stressed as a championship game with third years 😭💀
Those calmer moments between games and practice like walking home or them playing video games/reading comics etc really sold them more as characters to me
Hajime no ippo is amazing in that regard probably one of the best anime out there
I like that you showed Kagurabachi in the beginning of the vid because, while I've been loving the series so far, I've noticed that it's been moving at a breakneck pace since the beginning. The pacing works great for now since a lot of characterization happens through flashbacks but I hope that there's a bit more downtime for the characters in future arcs.
Geges absolute REFUSAL to put literally any filler in the whole manga is still insane
what you are talking about isnt filler, filler is anime stuff only that happens just so it dosent catch up with the manga or just to get more money, gege just didnt focus on the characters interactions at all, having only a few minimal talks, jjk was always a plot driven manga, not a character driven manga, but still, he could have focused more on building the character before the culling game or show the 2 month training, but he started rushing the series and was having healthy issues close to the end which made him rush even more because of shonen jum p scheduly.
It's funniest part about the end of jjk was the fandom finally realizing that they were missing an actual story under all them fights and power explanations😂🤣
Uhh yeah? Why shouldn't we know what happened to Yuuji's parents? Yuuji doesn't care because he never met them, and even then it's a bit contrived, but we are the audience and do deserve some answers. Kenjaku being Yuuji's mom and the latter not caring, not thinking, not having a single opinion about it is like if Luke learned Darth Vader was his father and he shrugged offscreen.
Yuji's lack of concern for his biological parents struck me as odd, but it seemed like he cared more about his grandfather than anyone else until he went to Jujutsu High School and met Choso, I don't think that was hypocrisy, it's practical and better than him killing a curse right at the start and without hesitation, he simply wants to take care of him and doesn't want to hear more about people who don't care like real parents. However, as an audience and a fan of this character, I am really excited to know more about his parents' past.
Not to mention his father had importance being Sakunas brother.
For the Jin part genuinely and honestly that isn’t greed. Cause Yuji’s gramps knew something was up with kaori so using the Jin example for “greed” doesn’t work.
Nobody would’ve questioned what happened to Jin cause up to that point Yuji’s parents were a black box mystery. Gege showed us that wasuke knew what was up, jin for whatever reason found “peace” in this sort of temporary situation.
If an author brings up a question to something the fans themselves never actually asked or cared for then it’s on the author to deliver on that proposition cause they’re giving us the impression that what this is, is important, Yuji never cared about his past and by extension we never questioned it but again that flashback, it created new questions
Gege is truly like kubo where he will introduce concepts and potential arcs for characters and just never touch them
Ronin dripped the ball on that one😅
SPY X FAMILY taking this a little too far. 😭 Like I love the manga but dang Endo give us more plot😭
What I love about Naruto is that it's quite fast paced, while still giving the reader a breathable moment where it's needed. Like letting the reader absorb an emotional moment, some comic relief, all while not loosing it's fast pace...
The series can still feel like it should be longer due to it not spending a lot of time on weaker storylines, which can be good, depending on the reader.
It is not Filler that people wanted, they wanted a ACTUAL CHARACTER WRITING. The reason why a story get popular is because of the story and THE CHARACTERs, so having them interact with one another fleshed out the story. That why so many people felt like JJK ending was rushed, we were just told stuff and not seeing the actual character doing the say things. Like IMAGINE IF WE GOT A ACTUAL FUNERAL FOR GOJO, I know damn well Yuji and Yuta will say lot since Gojo kinda save their lives and Megumi would at least thanks Gojo for kinda raising him. But instead we are just told information, it make the writing feel more robotic and less human. But that is just my opinion
@@st2whocares988 nah man im sure gege would put some information about Gojo funeral in booklet or something, and im not saying this in a good way
100% agree, mainly with JJK because their main if not only way to make characters interact is fight scenes. Even Deku, Sakamoto, Luffy and any other shonen protagonist that shared a WSJ cover with Yuji felt more like a friend for him compared to characters from JJK
Yuta had a lot of connections with ppl.
4:52 WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH. This the first time I've heard you say it😭🙏
2:27 Thanks for saying what I've been thinking for nearly 6 years at this point.
RIGHT???
When it comes to jujutsu Kaisen and my hero academia, my main criticism is them setting up a broader society and society issues, and then never addressing them or expanding on it. my hero academia starts talking about mutant racism resolution write a book about your feelings. Jujutsu Kaisen the world discovers curses exist and there’s an unseen energy source. A couple soldiers get killed that’s it. These are insanely interesting huge concepts never fully explored. When people talk about filler, I hope they mean they want more of that instead of character romance or slice of life stuff
Ronin: Did we really need to know what happened to yuji's dad who wanted that?
Literally everyone who got invested in the mystery that gege hinted he would explore:......
5:56 I can't believe megumi's "aura moment" is him offing himself 😭💀
Depth will always win over shock value deaths
Truth
the last chapters after sukuna death was probably one of the most unnecessary shit i read in a manga,I DON'T CARE ABOUT SOME GIMMICK OR SIMPLE DOMAIN BS,THE BATTLE IS OVER THE BAD GUY IS DEAD,make the characters talk like humans instead of exposition or "What ifs",seriously for a moment i thought gege was just responding YT comments through the characters
Like,imagine FMAB ending and instead of characters...you know...INTERECTING LIKE ACTUAL CHARACTERS,they just were talking about strategies that they didn't used for some reason,bad right?
This is a really good discussion and I recognize these thoughts, being a fan of jjk and other shonen of the past, but I feel like the other side of the coin isn’t appreciated enough. It was briefly mentioned as a possible consideration for health or to give mangaka a larger breadth of work, but I think there’s also narrative value IN brevity and in focus. You’ve called Jjk Efficient before, and really I prefer the term, focused. I definitely agree that there could’ve been some more expanded on near the end, but overall, I think one of the best things about Jjk is Gege’s style. It keeps it exciting. Stories being tightly written are generally considered “good”. Ultimately I think a lot of it can be case by case. I think for battle Shonen being fast is something I’d enjoy moving forward. I recognize the Dandadan example and I love and appreciate DDD and I’m caught up, but it’s not quite the same as a jjk. It’s got different needs obviously. Ig what I’m trying to say is, yes, down time can be great, but telling something more concise, ESPECIALLY in a battle Shonen space is a welcome change. The best to hope for is a little balance in the other direction.
Jjk is fixated more than focused
I agree with your point, I personally don't want a story about in impending threat upon the earth to have 100 chapters of "mission to find the best tasting udon noodles" i want to really feel the pressure. But in a story where there isn't a looming Thanos level threat then I'm happy having those moments
Its not filler thats needed. Its character establishment and room for set up and delivery thats needed. Filler can pad out a story, but its the real meat on the bones that people fully enjoy. Theres a way to blend character and world development naturally in the setting and dialog of your story. Theres great benefits in planning out your big arc early and taking a chapter or two to sprinkle in a little bit of foreshadowing or setup for some of the themes, decisions or big moments that will happen soon to come. Stories blitzing past all the important aspects of a story like character interaction, scene building or establishing setting to get to the good parts of the series. Shit, build up a couple of mysteries in those slow moments to pay off when you get to the moments in the main arcs. Stories are better when theyre planned out before you jump into a big decision. Its easy to fuck up and tell your story too early through setup, but thats just bad writing on your end. Misdirection is a thing. Set up a scenerio that looks like it can go one or two ways and go with a completely left feild third option to break ankles. Its what makes one piece one of the most engaging series of all time for its entire run. Everything feels like it holds weight because every aspect of the series that matters has time to breathe and really find itself before anything else is established and when new stuff IS established, 9 out of 10 times, its tied to something set up prior to the moment
Good story telling is not” filler” deliberately setting up plot lines, then not executing them, or introducing Main Characters then never fleshing them out, is simply bad storytelling .
Whether you like this series you not, Fairy Tail is a great example of a series that balances the need to push to story along while also giving the characters very much needed downtime to think about what’s going on or to just chill
This is extremely interesting and I think you make a lot of good points I think I had a lot of the same thoughts but struggled to put them into words I mostly really liked the ends of jjk and mha. I think I take what you said and put it in my own work
No.
1.) There's a difference between having moments or arcs where you develop your characters, relationships, themes/beliefs, or world building and then straight up filler.
2.) The MANGA doesn't need filler the ARTISTS do; they need breaks.
A.) These are things that Gege just straight up nearly refused to spend any time on. You can get away with developing your world/characters/relationships with fights and to some degree Gege was able to partially achieve that, but I think the moment when the 2nd Editor was removed from the picture was when that got tossed out the window, bc that 2nd editor pushed Gege to write at 120% of his skill.
Filler is not what JJK needed, it needed better writing and a good editor who wasn't a Yes-man
A manga is more than its fights, and thats a hypothesis that JJK tested nearly to its breaking point near the end.
Thats why Yuji's DE was so respected it was an oasis of character focused writing in a desert of fighting. and it takes a EXTREME level of or LACK of writing quality to make MANGA fans dislike fighting scenes. like that is INSANE.
B.) Part of the problem is also the business culture, schedule and expectations placed on Mangakas, and the fact that its serialized.
They may not have ALL the details fully fleshed out when they get the green light and then its GO TIME. So they focus on story writing Efficiency rather than a well rounded story especially near the end, cause they are DONE. And since both planned on ending their series with FIGHTS thats all we got mostly. They pump out an insane amount of work on multiple lvls for NONSTOP for serious periods of time. And some of them struggle to keep up for any number of reasons. Imagine if Manga got seasons like anime.
Gave the mangaka some time to recollect their energy and refine the direction of the story. Both JJK and MHA seem like they ran out of steam in the end, and both would have benefited either from more consistent breaks or at least a few bigger breaks. Then maybe they'd have the ability to craft more compelling endings. But JJK has a few more issues up its sleeve...
I am 100% fine with no downtime or quiet moments if the manga is extremely efficient. Take for example Gege’s brilliant use of Black text bubbles to show when a character is cursed. Yuji’s grandpa’s last words are marked as being a curse to Yuji, something he strives for out of obligation rather than his own wishes. Then when he overcomes this we see the text bubble return to normal white coloring. This is much more brilliant and nuanced than Yuji explaining to another character how he feels trapped by this, then another interaction later with him describing how he overcame it. Here we can guess and think about what exactly made him overcome it. Less is more.
But when less is lacking in efficiency, then it truly becomes lacking. Like Nobara showing back up at the last second. (To me it would be far better writing to leave her dead but for this I will use her living as an example) if Nobara was coming back then saving a main character return for a couple chapters wastes a lot, she only interacted with Yuji and Megumi really and mainly just had a cute scene with them. It didnt add anything to her or the other characters. Sure it added a lot of hope that the 3 main characters beat Sukuna together, but her return being a surprise wasnt really needed to make this happen (just a surprise that she was able to help at this moment, so have her be injured earlier in the battle). She never got to interact with Sukuna, Yuji at his darkest moments, show thoughts on Megumi being taken over, thoughts on Gojo’s death, etc.
Overal though I think JJK does a really good with efficient writing to where I wouldnt judge it overal for being too fast paced, but rather just judge the moments where it fails (Kenjaku, Nobara, and Hikari)
Definitely hurts never getting to see that Gojo and Kashimo interaction 😭
Damn i remember when you used to do what ifs those vids were so good. Good to see you still doing well. I hope you keep the grind
I agree with this. I've been wondering why some of these series seem so badly paced.
Great take, so basically it is good paced narrative structure, yeah the world was better when we had arcs like Debby back fight, and mangaka wrote and drew like they were having fun, but now JJK and Mha felt tired, rushed, and just wanted to end as soon as possible
I think if JJK just had another short chill arc right after gojo gets released it would have been so much more loved and fixed so many issues. We get more character interactions and it we actually see the characters training and preparing. Maybe see kashimo and gojo interact and talk about being the strongest or something. I remember when Gege just showed a time skip to immediately see the gojo vs sukuna fight everyone was started hating on gege. I've never seen so much hate for gege at that point. Before this everyone was pretty positive about gege as a writer but this is where we saw people actually realise he's not as good as we thought.
JJK don't need filler, it needs a story😂that ish was tight budget shopping list used by dad on a late Friday afternoon.
Just in and out, no extras or. Nothing!
It needed character interactions, because many characters had so little interactions that would make you and me look like best friends even if we are two strangers
What do you mean? Anyway, I'm having some fillers like jujutsu scroll. Will allow for a lot. This is why I hope the anime when it gets the chance will put a pause on gojo vs. sukuna and help give us some things to do on the filler side.
Ive been away for to long.....and this video was a breathe of fresh air.
I counted how many episode the "Bount arc" was........44 episodes.....
That not how you do filler
I never liked when show's from the east or west. If its the pedal to metal....it makes me overwhelmed. A nice 3 episodic episode ate need to bring us back to normality. That why fullbring Arc was so great..it gave us a breather...but SMACKED you with psychological thriller. Filler is good..but place it well.
in this case, a filler arc isnt to simple give more world building, in anime cases it mostly happen so the manga can get far ahead so the anime dont catch up in adapting it, and it happens a lot on old animes like bleach, naruto and one piece. and some of them arent fully writed by the author so its often pretty boring to watch or not fun.
In general, JJK feels like it just didn't give any of the characters save Gojo or Maki enough time to breathe and have an arc to develop themselves, nor did it give them an opponent to cut their teeth on to prove their importance. Yuji had Mahito, Gojo had Toji and Sukuna, and Maki had the Zen'in Clan and Cursed Naoya, but I can't really think of anyone else who got real catharsis for their characterization. _Maybe_ Yuta, but most of that occurred in Chapter Zero, with the Sendai Colony mostly just being there for him to show off.
And also, filler can be used for some extra clarity when it comes to a story that's being rushed. Most people don't know that huge parts of kakashi, hashirama's and kaguya's backstory all come from filler.
I think Sui Ishida is another that does this well, especially in Choujin X where he's allowed to publish chapters whenever he wants instead of a weekly cycle, and a lot of hype moments are intertwined with the character's internal thoughts and very tense arcs are given moments that slow the pace down or even add a little comedy, hell some of the best moments are because we know exactly what the characters are feeling so we understand the importance of certain moments better (the most recent chapters with Azuma are great examples of this)
Jjk really needs it, TodoYuki story? Kenjaku and Tengen's past? Sukuna? Heian era? Other character interactions basides fight scenes after chapter 50? The manga felt lackluster and overwhelming at the same time, it's just a really bittersweet feeling.
They need down time between arcs to let us and the characters breath.
About Deku in the final battle...
His inner conflict has always been represented thru his hero costume and design. For example, there are only two arcs after his first fight with bakugo where he wears his full mask, the Overhaul arc (whwere he strugles between being himself or more like All Might to show he is worthy of One for All) and the Dark Hero Arc (Where he internally puts all of society on his shouders, like All Might used to). That means that all the changes of costume Deku has in the final battle are a representation of his feelings and inner thoughts (The fight strips him down to his core, and in the end his admiration of heroes in general gives him the strength to defeat Shigaraki).
As you said, sometimes you need to read between the lines
Bro I been writing a series of my own and this is something Big I focus on doing different getting your audience to truly care about your characters by letting them get to know them personally and not just getting to know how they act in context to an action story
Yea bro cooked. U make me think making a video would be fun man. You been putting alot of personality into your videos lately and we fuck wit it gang
I've always thought that modern anime needed more filler. Anyone who says that the konoha 11 didn't get that much screen time didn't watch the fillers. Animes like jjk and mha have so many side characters I love that the main story doesn't have time for, so we need filler.
MHA has OVAs and side content in spin off manga/many light novels so you can get more there. Ironically people complained when MHA had "filler" regardless, but there's side content where you can get "filler". You can't have too much filler in the plot, as much as people say they want it, they also can complain, as seen with MHA. JJK doesn't even have that much unfortunately (only 2 light novels).
To be fair the filler in Naruto is mostly not canon
People wanted JJK to have some "filler" and then say Fullbring in Bleach was too slow and boring. Can't please everyone, on top of people not knowing what they want
I half agree. JJK's story definitely moved too fast in certain areas, especially in the beginning with Yuji 'dying' a few chapters after introduced. But the Culling Games had sevaral pointless fights and introduced a ton of new characters. Yes the final arc called back to them but most of those callbacks had minimal impact on that long ass fight.
My Hero Academia actually suffered from too much filler overall. Dozens of characters could have been written out and the story would have been better for it. Class A should have been half the size that it was.
5:09 Okay this is kind of BS because no one cared about his dad they cared about his mom literally being one of the major antagonists. You can't have that be a piece of information that's just not expanded on, especially when choso being related to yuji is treated with a lot of care, so why they wouldn't bond over shared disdain for kenjaku makes zero sense.
We started caring about his dad when we found out he was sukunas twin soul. Like.... HUH??? And also Wasuke knowing about Jujutsu society, like does Yuji actually come from a sorcerer family? Does Jin know about this? Does he know about Sukuna? And most importantly does Yuji even know? I want some answers.
@ Him being sukunas twin soul was just as much of a nothingburger as kenjaku being his mom. Neither were ever made to seem like they mattered beyond shock value, and exposition for why characters were a certain way.
Agreed, ronin misses the mark because this was a mystery that had so much potential to benefit the series but gege just forgot about it.
I feel like a much better word for filler is fluff. You see it used to describe exactly what your talking about but just in the context of a romance novel. Expanding the definition to just mean "down-time withing a story to just get to know and build apon your like of a character" would be much simpler and efficient.
I am not exaggerating when I say that Jujustroll was one of my favourite elements of JJK. The little skits that got to show us glimpses into the every day life and the little character quirks of all of our favourite characters. I wish there were more of them because I absolutely love all the characters. The main trio (Yuji and Nobara especially) all sharing a braincell when together in downtime, the inseperable bond between Yuji and Todo, or Gojo being a goober at all times. I was so sorely disappointed when I finished the anime and heard that we would get no more of them hanging out and chilling.
bringing up ultimate soider-man in a manga video is a bold choice i commend u for. peak series btw hope u reading ultimates
I think it would be cool to get certain stuff explored like
Something from past Sukuna/
Something about a previous six eyes and limitless users where we see the Gojo clan/
A Tsukumo arc where she trains Todo and they do missions with young Todo/
A Kamo clan arc where Kenjaku is setting up his plans and getting his reputation as evil/
A couple more but those are sum base ones off top
Shonen fans will say they want more of this but always complain when they get it in a series. A lot of viewers aren’t actually fans of what they’re consuming and don’t understand it. Shonen has to be top 5 worst fanbases of all time
You're 1000% right, but this is not just a problem for Shonen, it's for every anime that goes (and doesn't go) mainstream. Case and point, Vinland Saga and AoT
@@Chris-rj4bt I think the issues of fillers is
1.they can be stupid or ridiculous
2.The characters in fillers can be boring or not important
@@GreekShinobi223 if you're *not* gonna consider aot and vinland saga mainstream, then basically nothing except naruto, dragonball, one piece, and jujutsu kaisen are mainstream
to be fair, characters interactions to build them isnt filler, and in anime, most fillers that happen are just for the sake of giving the manga time to get far away from the anime so they dont catch up, so these fillers are pretty shit.
I think Avatar is a good example of a show with good "filler" episodes.
I mean, Avatar was mostly an episodic show until the last season.
There's no filler in the first place
My perspective that ive had honestly since the second arc doesnt need filler it needs devopment. If your name isnt gojo or yuji your an undeveloped character thats why it feels so rushed not that the development was bad its just they didnt get enough of it (if they even got it at all) such as principle yaga you go back and look and hes not really in that many panels and we really learn much about him at all and that could be said for basically every character aswell as i lot of potential ideas or seeds were put in that ended up being just kinda left to rot we dont even really know anything about the golden age of sorcery it basically just speculation because we never see any of it
Dandadan hit me like a plane on9/11.(very distasteful i know)
Ive rewatched about abkut 4 times. It hits that rom com action combination as you daid BR
Eh hard disagree. A manga doeant need anything to be good except the vision of the author to be consistent imo. Like JJK was fantastically paced and exciting for 80 percent of the manga, ppl just really dont get Shonen series have ass endings.
for some reason this isn’t showing up in my subscription feed🤔
This one didn’t pop up in my sub box and I never got the Noti
Same, if not for the community post, I wouldn't know it had come out
Yea me neither
Reccomended page got me tho
Dude put the anti restless gambler setting on
Probably algorithm regardless of sub or noti
JJK has been falling off as of late
I can already tell this one is cooking
I remember when we got down time from the sukuna fight with Takaba vs kenjaku and mfs were absolutely loosing their mind and complaining about the momentum for the Sukuna fight being dropped lol
Yall want some "filler"y manga tap into world trigger yall
Its on my list but thank you for the recommendation
WORLD TRIGGER MENTIONED, THANK YOU. I feel like I'm the only person in the world who knows about it sometimes
I was locked into it before it suddenly went on hiatus the first time.
Thought it got cancelled
I definitely agree especially in mum's case tbh I feel like people only really like jjk because of gojo, it's villains, TS power system and most of all its fights but because of that and gets rushing through the series it feels like we dont even really know the characters or have a reason to care for or like them.
My rule of thumb with filler is that if you can’t write an enjoyable scene of your characters interacting in a way that doesn’t involve explosions and punching, then maybe you need to rethink how you’re writing the story.
Appreciate the Dandadan love. And do agree that newer manga need to be longer so it can develop more which I feel Dandadan has been doing well with
Needs a better ending, nobody care abt filler
@@hiimaj1191 no thoughts, head empty
Great video. Dandadan is peak
Filler is content the anime makes up to pad the runtime so the manga can catch up. Manga inherently doesn't have filler.
hes not talking about that type of filler, hes talking about stuff like in season 2 episode 6 with yuji talking to his highschool crush.
You say "Filler"
I say "Better paced & planned out story"
"The Desire For a Better Paced & Planned Out Story" just don't roll off the tongue as much I fear
Filler is needed!!! As long as the creator can give key points to delegate so that continuity/power scalers don’t bitch about plot holes.
Being able to share different/more stories with characters made Bleach & Naruto that much more enjoyable.
Ie- the new Jujutsu Kaisen Mobile game in injecting filler chatabuets and arcs into their game, which is super enjoyable since every character gets merked before you even get time to breath with each character.
It's just that filler usually has character interactions. People miss character interactions. They miss good writing that didn't rely on shock value.
I for one kind of disagree with some anime needing filler, Like jjk specificly before the shibuya arc sure some build up to the characters could have been nice but the problem is that the theme hes going for, this isnt old gen with naruto where they can one episode have him dying to the next where he relaxes on a beach, its meant to be realistic and after shibuya yuji has no time to relax at all hes not only being hunted. Sure it killed a lot of the characters but if jjk had a naruto like run style it would be suffercating to watch.
When we watch something like jjk its the slope of no return as we follow itadori on his journey as he was told by mahito "This isnt some bug extermination" or whatever it was he showed also the audience that it wasnt like other shonen where its friendship that wins even though it was yuji and todo who had the last laugh it still changed the story where it was more serious than before so to take out all that with some random filler somewhere wouldnt help the story hes building. Like i said if he did a lot of filler before it became that rabbit hole of yuji in pain it could have added a lot more shock value when people realised it wasnt just another power of friendship shonen.
No no no. Fuck no. The consumer needs to learn to wait for a quality meal rather than squel for non-stop slop. Don't even try to put the fault on the story teller for not writing useless material
@@ThusSpokeFlexo This would be a great response if that was something I was advocating for in this video
@BrokenRonin oh you just conflated slow periods in a narrative with filler. To this i would just use an example.
Dragon Ball fans claimed they wanted more "down time". We were given a terrible arc about trunks and goten that was poorly recieved and no one talks about.
Every scene should have purpose forward and every line of dialogue should move the plot forward. Look to a different story rather than act as tho "down time" is a sure thing across the board
@@ThusSpokeFlexo Once again, you are arguing against a stance i dont have and actually agreeing with much of what was in the video.
"Filler" as I define it within the context of this video is merely shorthand for expanding on relevant characters and storylines. You can do that badly sure, but you can do anything badly from a narrative perspective. Some stories fail to write humor or good fights, but that doesn't disqualify those things from being valuable in certain contexts, which is all I argue for in this video.
@@BrokenRonin bro just dont use the word filler than. I also still think its only half true. Jjk needed more chapters sure but they didnt necessarily have to be slow. Just show, dont tell
@@ThusSpokeFlexo I definitely think JJK could've went slower in certain things. The levels of attachment to the characters and story as a whole wasn't much tbh.
That's not filler. You're asking for short, entertaining story arcs that build on characters and their relationships amongst each other, where the scope of the plot and the stakes are realtively small compared to the major arcs, but still meaningful. Ideally, it would be interspersed in between major arcs as a breather.
I know, thats what I say in the video.
And that’s why I love DanDaDan. It has a lot of action but it also has a lot of moments where the characters just have fun and interact with each other
Marvel and DC comics are great at this. I wish more people read them
Just say low stake moments instead of filler. Filler is completely different
don't think i've seen anyone mention vagabond. the farming arc is my favourite arc in the series because its a perfect depiction of musashi's growth and it doesnt feature any fancy swordplay from him (unless you count his training i guess)
I think something important that people forget to talk about when they miss out on more "filler"/break or longer ones, is that the long mangas of the past are basically life's work where they spent years drawing and writing weekly, most new authors don't want to dedicate decades of their lives to just one manga and they want to work on other stories and not just one.
The need for downtime is something that really jumped out for me when I was reading Black Clover recently. After the end of the Spade Kingdom arc we immediately get a time skip of over a year, and within one chapter the new villain has shown up and started the new arc. It sucked, because I didn't even have time to acknowledge that the previous conflict had ended, even though the characters had moved on from it, and so when the new fights started I was still in that actiony mindset and it just made me feel tired more than anything else. It made me miss the anime, which yes has a lot of filler especially in its latter half which isn't always good, but I honestly prefer bad anime filler to just constant action with no cooldown.
5:23 imagine writing the father of the protag and fucking it up this bad, man. 😂😂😭😭😭
literally every other mainstream shonen writer nails this. Kishimoto? fucking nailed it. Kubo? he was cooking. Toriyama? he built some intrigue, but mostly let Toei handle Bardok. Oda? he is cooking. Togashi? also nailed it. Itagaki? certified Head Chef.
Hey Ronin, you should make one with Aang and/or Korra. My initial thought is that, while they have great power, they would have trouble with the speed of the JJK charachters. But then I remembered lightning bending, and that characters in Avatar have an easier time reacting to lightning than Hakari in the fight against Kashimo, so this should be very interesting.
Edit: they would also be able to hurt Mahito :D
I don’t mind One Piece doing fewer crewmate interactions. Oda’s, like, 45 years old let the man finish his comic so he can spend some time with his wife and kid.
One piece fans watching Oda slowly moving his hand to the filler button
Ironically a lot of fans have been wanting more breathing room lately lol
There's a worry that Oda might rush towards the ending or that certain things in the story will fly by too fast when they have more potential if they are explored at a pace that isn't very quick.
Ngl, once upon a time I would have said absolutely no. Since I got burnt out on it initially when grinding through Naruto especially.
However, I think filler can be used to really explore characters and the implications of the world.
My favorite manga (tied with Liar Game) is Konjiki no Gash because of the down time in-between the major arcs.
I think about this a lot with naruto, the story really needed a few more chapters like the kakashi's face one to really make the fact that Naruto and Sasuke are friends, but shonenfans start kicking and crying if something doesn't advance the story (i.e character development not in a fight)
If im summarizing this correctly the problem is some mangas focus more on the bigger plot and tend to avoid creating smaller plots that help build upon the characters and the world. Both go hand in hand and without one the other tends to feel rushed or incomplete. Alot of manga now seem to not use those opportunities as much as they should, guess i have to take it into my own hands.
The best example of all time for this is Black Clover.
The chapters always feel like this:
-30 chapters of fights
-the greatest character interactions you have ever laid your eyes on for 1 single chapter
-30 chapters of fights
-repeat
I somewhat understand the decision to time skip, showing training would deadass just give away Gojo's gonna lose.......
Also we all know the real reason is that gege can't write training to save his life
I think there's a middle ground where Gege could have shown interactions on screen before the timeskip. He didn't have to show everything in real time for training since he obviously wanted to save stuff for reveals, but we should have gotten a bit more interactions before jumping into final battle. So a couple chapters with interactions first and then the timeskip could suffice.
What makes you say that? We just never got to see a training arc, but I don't think it's cause he can't write it. I agree he should have hidden that fact with the training. That way, we had 1 month with the characters and to set things up.
@@faith4657 Apparently Gege’s editor told him if he was going to do a training arc he had to make it amazing. If he didn’t think he could pull it off then he should probably avoid it. Gege wasn’t confident in his ability to write one so he didn’t. Gege said something to that effect in an interview.
@nicholas-jasonroache1526 when was this? Cause if he was doing a training arc, I wonder which place he would put it in.
@@faith4657 Unfortunately, I saw it on the JJK subreddits and can’t recall what thread I saw it. I don’t remember if they specified placement for a training arc
I would love if the anime did a us invasion filler arc in between the culling game and battle in shinjuku arc to give us that breather and bring value to that dropped plot point
I need a movie just for Yuji, he has quite limited screen time compared to a main character, he still feels mysterious even after the manga has ended
I really like your point with the deku and shiguraki fight like half the time they will have a character spell out what i just saw with my own eyes
For JJK, I think that the primary weakness it has as a story is that things happen too quickly. One or the things that works well in longer series is that the passage of time is used to mirror character growth. Yuji, as a protagonist, has several major shifts in his worldview over the course of several months, which might take other protagonists a few years to reach. I think that letting more things happen in the story, even if it wasn't downtime, could have helped those shifts happen more naturally. It would have been cool to see the story take place over the entirety of Yuji's high school career, maybe with each year having a theme to it. It would have also given the peripheral cast a chance to shine a little more and let their abilities and personalities develop more alongside Yuji's
I feel that mangas that came out in the 90s or 2000s had more time to flesh things out but as the medium "evolved", people now seek for quick realization of those stories, that's why we get many mangas that have fast pacing and need to deliver constantly on a weekly basis. Jump doesn't help with the grueling schedule and author's fear of cancellation.
It's ok to have down time, it's ok to let things breathe.
Hot take: I really think that we should bring back the villain of the week format. It can still have the hype, explore themes and characters on a deeper level, and can slowly introduce worldbuilding and plot elements. It also allows for more downtime and "filler" moments for a breather.
The cool part of JJK is that even despite us only having sprinkles of what it has to offer, Gege's limited world building made the series feel so alive! In the anime, (and ED's) they're shown hanging out, just behaving as normal people in a malignant and evil world.
I'd kill to see someone like Gojo or Megumi just going on with their daily lives while exorcising curses on the side. Kinda like how Nanami swiped that shoulder curse away on that bread lady.
Are you gonna continue your jjk full potential series because i like it a lot and it will be very interesting if you talk about megumi full potential
I have been saying this for years, especially during the America invasion ark of jujutsu Kaisen we need more filler