Why China Needs This $67BN Railway in Thailand
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Do video on Vande Bharat trains from India.
I love your videos as always. Can you do a bit more videos in 2023 on Latin America and the Caribbean basin. Would appreciate it!
Indonesia HSR Jakarta Bandung finis 2023
It's not called Skyrail, it's called Skytrain. Why do you interview this clown who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about?
I live in Bangkok, 200m from a BTS SkyTrain Station and their current system is extremely efficient, fast and affordable. I use it daily but when it comes to traveling outside it Bangkok you’re only option is taxi or take a flight. Having a proper train for domestic travel around the county would be game changing for us expats, the tourists and locals!
The house price in Ayutthaya will be skyrocket if the HSR will be finished
I am from Scotland and myself and partner had a holiday in Thailand, we used the sky train which we both thought was very cool, was difficult at first time using but thereafter it was great, loved using the service.
It's not the "only" option... There are lots of coaches criss-crossing the country and, while slow, the train network does indeed work. Particularly if you are able to travel overnight on the relatively comfortable night trains.
@@callum9999 sorry I meant to say the only time efficient option. I accidentally left that part out 555
*immigrants, tourists and locals
I’ve grown in Thailand, and whilst the public metro commutes in Bangkok have improved greatly, the mass migration to the provinces on holidays still proves to be very arduous and indeed, deadly. If successful, this project will be the starting point of a revolution in transportation here, for the good.
True even though Thailand ranks 11th in the world in Road Network Size 702,000 km
I don't think it's gonna stop whole families driving up to the provinces with people in the back of their pickups lol.
@@CmObyrne well of course not, there will always be people who stuck to the old ways whether because they want to or because they can't do anything else. The goal is to reduce the amount of people who have to resort to those ways and reduce the congestion, if successful both old and new can co-exist and better each other for the benefit of everyone.
@Farhan Atashiga Yeah, it's a slow process. The important thing is there will be a great option for people for transport, not just cars only which is proven that it is actually very inefficient and actually far more environmentally destructive in the long run. We have this automobile experiment since the 60's and we are now finally realizing its negative effects when building too much, and still doesnt solve the congestion since population still grows rapidly.
Thailand is very sad. Prostituition rates very high. And homosexuality rates also a thing :(
People talking about Thailand landscape is a nightmare for engineers... you really should have a look at how Chinese build highspeed railways in Guizhou, Sichuan and Xizang (Tibet) - that's god work tmho.
Unfortunately for Malaysia, our previous government had cancelled our high speed rail project connecting Malaysia to Singapore, im really hoping our new government led by PM Anwar Ibrahim will restart the project
What was the reason given by Mahathir though for doing such a decision?
@@ianhomerpura8937 waste money.
@@Dwerno is that the real reason? Or is it because of his well known antagonism against China?
@@ianhomerpura8937 It wasn’t Mahathir who made the decision which he mentioned to study on how to reduce cost, but our beloved awesome brilliant 8th PM Abah Muhyiddin, who was so smart and willing to pay Singapore huge sums of compensation fees for cancelling the project.
@@realtjliew Though it may seem Singapore received 'huge sums' in compensation, it wasn't enough to cover the full sum that was already spent by the Singapore government.
They did not claim for the works already completed which could be utilised by other alternative projects.
In the meantime, the Singapore government is keeping it's options open to the possibility that the project could be revived by the Malaysian government in future.
If this same length of high speed rail was done in the United States, it would probably cost more than $400 billion just for land acquisition/eminent domain
Source: “trust me bro”
@@natelavallee4034 Source: Statistics from California HSR and Texas Central.
I live in San Francisco. Been waiting for decades. It cost 57 million for each mile in America. The price tag had triple since talk had started. China. 17 million per mile. Labor and materials are the main reason. Cause China have all the resources. Doest need outside help.
depends on where and how we build high speed rail, we could easily build Phoenix to Tucson or Kansas city to St louis. the rail lines exist we just need to upgrade them. California is expensive because they wanted a high speed rail stop at every farm along the way
@@natelavallee4034 😆
They just completed double railway from Bangkok to Nakon Ratchasima and Bangkok to Hua Hin. Nothing hard for them ! Blue line in bangkok run under the river without problem. It is taking time at the start because China has to transfer engineering knowledge etc. Thailand will invest 100% cost. This hi speed train will connect another hi speed train for tri airports. It will go through the land bridge city which is connected to the Indian and Pacific Oceans in Ranong Province.
It’s interesting how many white faces are criticising China’s Belt and Road and pretty much said the Asian countries have no say in it (like that Australian academic) but the reality is quite different.
Without local support a project like this won’t happen. Asia is going to be the economic superpower in the next 50 years because countries put away differences and work together. US/U.K. led world can either join this journey or constantly treat such positive change as sour grapes.
They can do whatever they want, but just look at the other belt and road projects that were clearly debt traps. Ask Sri Lanka how working with China went? They will bribe officials and get favorable terms. This will be done through Chinese banks and it will not be public information of coarse... They will send Chinese people to build it instead of using locals. They will pump up the costs behind closed doors. It's just not a good idea working with China. You will always get screwed over on the deal.
Exactly my thought. While I appreciate having an outside view, why not ask academics there instead. Pretty sure they can tell you much more accurate information. This "oh, look how bad China is doing good stuff" is really an American/Western meme at this point.
Love from Germany.
is "white faces" some new slur the infemously racist asians came up with? but i guess being under the delusion that asia is a single nation.
This project (HSR chiangmai-bangkok) actually belongs to Japan, not china.
@@ginse4891 They steal the tech from Japan. They had to bring in Japanese companies to build their HSR. Japan was making HSR in the 1950s. They stole their tech when they were in China building it for them. That is how China gets most of their tech. They haven't invented anything themselves in 500 years.
I have to wonder how (or if) some "researchers" actually think. To paraphrase that guy from Australia "I don't know if the Thai people will like HSR. Thailand has been massively building elevated rail and subway rail projects and the people have been flocking to them in mass droves. Since the people like rail so much, I am not at all sure that they will like high speed rail." What? If they like slow rail (which is much faster than foot or vehicle traffic), why wouldn't they like fast rail at least as much?
sounds like jealousy frankly
20 percent of all passenger traffic going thru rail is already good. As said in video, Bangkok has a good ridership number, when the rail is upgraded it can indeed increase the number of national rail ridership
That 20 percent of all passenger traffic going thru rail divides as 17.6% BMT and 2.4% the rest of the country.
Of the remaining rail passenger traffic, it's on the north-south line from Bangkok to Hua Hin and then further on to the southern provinces such as Surat Thani, Phattalung, and Hat Yai. That strip of Thailand is a straight line. It doesn't make sense to build rails to all of the northern destinations because you wouldn't get enough passengers.
@@schoolofgrowthhacking You could use the Northern lines to connect to other countries major cities like Hanoi, Naypyidaw, Rangoon, Phnom Penh, and China as well. While also stopping in Thai cities
The medium speed train in Laos has turned out to be a success. I am inclined to think that this high speed turn in Thailand will be a game changer. It is always more scenic and comfortable to travel by train. The fact that it is high speed makes it even more attractive. It will allow the Thais, Chinese and Laos people to travel easily and quickly. More people will visit these countries.
รถไฟในลาวมีรางเดียวต้องจอดรอเวลาสวนทางและความเร็วสูงสุดแค่ 160 กม./ชม. แต่ที่ไทยกำละงสร้างตอนนี้มี 2 ราง สวนทางได้ และมีความเร็ว 300 กม./ชม. เราคิดว่าจะเน้นวิ่งในประเทศมากกว่า โดยเฉพาะสายไปเชียงใหม่ที่คนไทยและนักท่องเที่ยวจากยุโรปรอคอยใช้บริการ และประชาชนไทยอยากได้ระบบรถไฟของญี่ปุ่นมากกว่าเพราะมั่นใจในคุณภาพ สายที่ไปทางอีสานเราก็เน้นให้บริการคนอีสานเพราะประชากรอีสานมีมาก การเชื่อมไปลาวเป็นแบบรางเดียวต้องรอสวนไม่จูงใจให้เราอยากไป
Thank you B1M for always churning out high-quality informative videos. My Wednesdays are never boring. 😊
This is really helpful video about railway situation in Thailand. Thank you for the video
Bangkok’s current rail system still looks like Japan in comparison to my country 😂😢😢 🇳🇬
Where do you live?
@@TheB1M Lagos Nigeria, the definition of clusterf*ck in the dictionary 😂
We are improving slowly but surely though 🙏
@@TheB1M that's a nigerian flag
@@budisoemantri2303 Easy to mistake for Rhodesia though.
@@budisoemantri2303 Also, if you're not on your phone, the nigerian flag emoji will just show up as the letters NG, easy to miss.
China: build build build.
USA: sanction, threaten, embargo, bomb.
Australia: We are the 51st state of America.
sad but true
More and more southeast asia project in The B1M. Indonesia, maaysia, and now thailand. this region indeed promising.
I know this video is about a project in Thailand but.. after watching soo many of you videos, I've realized how & why China has so much money & power.
They run thier government like a business, as all should. China invests in & owns businesses globally. Truly fascinating how they operate
Also when the governments can't pay for the overpriced stuff they take it over.
This is why it's always concerning seeing Chinese companies push for projects like this because unlike most of the world, any Chinese company is essentially the Chinese government, simply by how they run their country. We could all benefit from less influence, which was why in Australia, the Victorian government caught a lot of flack from the rest of the country over their STATE pursuit of a deal with China over Belt and Road, despite it impacting the country's national security and only the Federal government having the right to make deals like that with other countries.
Singapore pioneered that model. The crucial difference is China is a superpower with a diverse population so it still has to exercise its power over its people, its neighbours and the world, many times to the detriment of its economic interests.
@@rn55676 your understanding is off. CN can do those projects efficiently b/c of state-owned corporations specializing in all necessary aspects cooperating with each other and they've already built 40k km HSR in CN so they have tons of experiences managing all sort of difficulties. CN does not control any smaller countries, unlike the US. This, has nothing to do with the so called "democracy"--if the US is better b/c it's a democratic country, it should do this project cheaper and faster for Thailand. No, the US does not have a HSR despite the whole country divides and fights over whom to choose as the next president in the name of democracy and its trains went off rail 3 times a day on average according to their own statistics.
@@ElusiveTy In CN, it's State above corporations, not the other way around like the West, the rich basically decide how your country is run. But state-owned corporations are not government, however they can run HSRs at loss for the benefit of the country's economic development, which is unfathomable for private investors in the West. Simply because they've built 40k KM HSRs in CN already and run most of it at loss for the ppl, they've tons of experience which your pathetic private companies in the West don't have. Also they transfer technology to poorer countries, which is also something the West does not do--b/c the West is driven by money, and the only thing they are after is money. Stop lying about security--that's some evilness projected, always regime change, colonizing, control of other countries done by the West.
Not mentioned is that the high speed line is already built through Laos, from Boten at the Chinese border right up to the Mekong River, where it will pass into Thailand. Boten and Vientiane in the south both have magnificent stations already shown as enclosed in the latest Google Earth imagery. Unfortunately, there are no black lines yet for making locating of the high speed line easier, but it's there! I've seen videos from people who have ridden part of it, which is not running at the design high speed yet. Or wasn't then. I'm convinced the line in Thailand will beat any other form of transit for most users, and their wonderful old station in central Bangkok I expect will be served too since its located nicely. It was a little disturbing the picture in the video of a very high elevated line being built along a main semi-rural street which had been nicely developed previously. Sometimes I think engineers don't take the time necessary to juggle all the variables involved most effectively. Although that line may not have been in China, Laos or Thailand either.
It's not a high speed railway
He did mention that, 3:23
Seem like the West has more positive support for Thailand's High-Speed train versus Laos where they negatively tell people about how bad it is for Laos and that they should be living off the Mekong River and eating bugs.
Who in Laos is travelling regularly enough on a prohibitively expensive HSR for the government there to turn a profit? It would have been cheaper for them to build new airports in every major city, and more passengers could travel quicker that way except across very short distances.
@@robertb1802 Government is supposed to subsidise public transportation for the people, something that your westerners do not get it. Locals are enjoying cheap transportation through the newly constructed rail and this improved mobility for the people to travel from north to south Laos in shorter time.
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Thanks for all the great videos this year. I definitely feel more globally informed. Happy New Years.
Long term, this rail network will revolutionize Asia and Asia economy
this is amazing. i adore thai trains, just had two months there and went on the south line and also up to buriram and surin in the north east.
the infrastructure that's going in on the first section of this, from bangkok to nakhon ratchasima (korat), is incredible. sooo much of the high speed line is going to be elevated. i passed hundreds of concrete columns that were being constructed. it's gonna be crazy
Congratulations on 2 Million, So many content creators want to get there for sure.
The Laos network isn't high speed at all, its 160 km/h (standard is 250km/h for new line/200km/h for upgrades)
You are right. However it is twice faster than Thailand on average speed
@@mabo9636 well that’s true but now Thailand have massive rail improve project that will make train go faster(from 60 to 120 km/hr) and more reliable no more behind schedule(like my neighborhood with use SRT eastern line for daily it often on schedule and if it delayed it only about 1-2 minute with is the most reliable part of the system although it run parallel with faster airports rail link with is faster)
@@sansornpoommaprang7068Laos train is 160km/hr because it is both passenger and freight transports. To built a high speed rail in Laos is just crazy. If the geography of Thailand is difficult for HSR then the geography of Laos is another level above.
Thailand current train average speed is 46km/hr. There is no way they gonna achieve an average speed of 100km/hr even with the dual tracks upgrade simply because there are still too many sharp turns, level crossings and keeping track on meters gauge. I think, they'll get about 70km/hr which is what is the average speed in North America.
@@Tomsom2008 current project is just eliminated sharp turn make track straight like HSR and 120 km/hr is what the government said they will achieve I think it is possible
@@Tomsom2008 the double track railway project is a complete revamp of the railway with sharper turns, eliminating road crossing etc. There are already double track lines that are completed, where trains can achieve speed of 100km/h and more. Currently there are 627km of completed double track railways.
Since we're discussing South East Asia here, would you plan to research about Indonesia's new Jakarta-Bandung high speed railway, where they reject a Japan company's proposal and gone with China's instead?
Still they accept jp proposal to make semi fast railway jakarta Surabaya.
Japan offerr expensive projects China offer Cheapers projects naturally they won the project.
it is simple, because Japan want Indonesia government to guarantee the loan, while China is willing to give loan without Indonesian government guaranteeing the loan. If the project lose money, China will have significant loss. That is the major reason.
@@godzillamothra5983 thats not the only ones, China offer cheaper projects outcome too
@@godzillamothra5983 ... China does not care about a financial loss because they will take over ownership of the infrastructure. That is their long term plan.
Hi Fred, The railways that were initially built in Thailand have not been seen by many Thai Govts as important. This was short sighted when to appreciate that Thailand is long and thin. Thus the lazy move towards cars. Bangkok has traffic problems because of cars and selfish people. I lived in China from 2010 to 2015, without a car, in my 2nd Tier city Chengdu, Sichuan Province, (where the Panda's come from). In my time there the Govt built an elevated inner ring road for cars/buses/trucks and started building a Metro system which had only 2 lines. But this had an immediate impact for so many people.
Now 7 years later it has 13 lines. China's new high speed trains are very comfortable and popular. This is a positive for Thailand and her neighbours. Fred, don't forget the Mekong River Hydro-Electric project which was built by China and partly funded by Thailand. Another example of multi-nation co-operation. Perhaps having a military leader as Prime Minister has helped Thailand to get things done whilst supporting its poorer neighbours. Great Video Fred.
From Chengdu in west China you can export goods by rail all the way to Poland! Now that's impressive!
P.S. The railway will reinforce the trade routes between Thailand (via Malaysia) with Singapore.
Best wishes from Bangkok.
Yeah. One of the benefits of dictatorship is it avoids the arguments and constant idealogy change that happens in democratic countries. For example, in the US, it goes from Liberal capitalism to very conservative capitalism, which clash on many social issues.
Once it comes to Asia, the West's usual non-positive tone. Laos has more complex geological conditions, but the high-speed railway has already been built and Thailand is certainly eager to get it done as soon as possible.
I simply love this channel. Thanks for such good content!
I was feeling bad because in India freight trains are responsible for just 20% of cargo transportation but after hearing Thailand's just 2% now I'm shocked.
And out off 20% most of it is Coal freight. I hope other merchandise share also increases. Gadkari should be given all types transport portfolio which is impossible but I really like the way he execute projects at rapid phase.
Then look at the Philippines it's fucking 0
@@darshp800 Freight corridors that are being built should help.
cos it doesn't make too much sense as Thailand doesn't have that much vast inward land and factories are build quite near the ports in general. Rails don't make too much sense for Thailand but it makes much more sense for China to move their goods across borders.
In Thailand use freight on railways in 2% . Because it is use long time from single track railways but this year Thailand starts and open double track railways for help travel and transport goods faster than old time so much.
If they could make this happens and expand it, Bangkok will be the epicenter of HSR network connecting between 1st and 2nd most populated countries and if possible the 4th populated country!
True
Big dream buddy..May be in 2040s we will see connection of India with Thailand through HSR.
@@Xrginld17X where did I argue? Do you have problems in english comprehensive skill?
I haven't seen enough maps but I'd have thought India would be linked to China more directly without going through Thailand?
@@John...44... The entirety of the India Chinese border is disputed. No connection will be made there
Nice to know another SEA country set to start a HSR line. As neighboring country Indonesia currently progressing set to open for service of its own 142 km line of HSR mid 2023, connecting Jakarta to Bandung. Even the train itself quite similar to what is shown in this video.
In Thailand under construction 1st high speed train from Bangkok to Nakhon Ratchasima 253 kilometres by Thailand government annual expenditure and total value 179,512,000,000 Thailand baht. Open on 2026-2027.
Well yeah, the Bandung HSR is also a Chinese build. With all the technical issues its been having, it'll be interesting to see if they get chosen again to complete the rest of the line to Surabaya.
@@doujinflip maybe if they bribe enough amount of money to be chosen again 😅, our country is run by bribe so it’s possible
@@doujinflip CN has 40,000 KM HSRs and there is no technical issue, it's efficient and always on time...wonder why there'd be technical issues where you are at...okay go ahead and choose Japan, and face your own music.
@@kazuhatoyama5928 maybe your country is very corrupted as you say, but that's not how other ppl do business.
Yet another amazing video. Thank you!
Another great video. One thing about all of these engineering projects that seems to be quite consistent on your channel is when a year is set for completion, expect delays. It's a given.... 😆
These Chinese engineers scaled Tibetan plateau and laid tracks across desert.
Thailand's landscape and terrain are nothing to these guys.
The reason why it took so long was that Thailand mostly funded and building it themselves while only Chinese engineers were sent there to supervise and educate the Thai team on how to build the whole thing and even tech transfer they already set up courses in many universities in Thailand on rail engineering.
You didn't mentioned how clueless some locals are when it comes to this project in some section they just simply demanded the whole line or at least part that runs past their community to be almost entirely elevated and that presents a delay for the project.
At least its much better than Northern HSR route it which is still not in construction despite many governments hyping it up over the years, the reluctant and petty Japanese side were to partly to blame for the project's limbo.
This is point of view from the West, this video doesn't sound so positive. But at the actual projects, Thais are looking forward and having great expectations for these projects to complete. Nothing is greater than having high speed rails which connect to BRI of China. When these projects are completed, they will be good examples to the world to follow. Only the West will be left behind.
left behind? We have high speed rail networks for decades. If you wish to align yourself with a nasty totalitarian regime that is your prerogative but do not think for one second that all Thais (except the Thai-Chinese naturally) follow your logic.
BRI? Really? Rajapaksa?
Says who? I'm thai and no we are not looking forward to such a thing. All China want to do is lending money to SE Asian countries and collect interest, they always pushing agenda to our government to borrow their money so we can finish the project quicker. countries like Laos and Cambodia cannot pay back their debt already. Not to mention they only trade between themselves, they will send chinese company and people to run these railway, chinese pay chinese to travel. China only looking to benefit themselves not develop other countries.
Hello B1M from Thailand!
Currently, I lived in Nakhon Ratchasima city or commonly known as Korat, the 1st phase of Thai's HSR from Bangkok.
The HSR project would be great for Korat because it will reduce heavy road traffic and boost the city's economic,
but not just only Korat, the city that is located between Bangkok and Korat as well!
Korat has a traffic problem because it is quite far from Bangkok but not far enough to fly with profitable,
so the main transport is by road which makes heavy traffic and much time between cities.
But Thai's HSR project should think about the feeding system like public transportation in each city to connect with HSR as well
because I think many new train stations would be constructed outside the city which makes the lack of efficient transportation from the residence/commercial area to the new station.
I would love to visit Korat as a tourist but the trip there would be... ardous. I would love to take a train there, I will do as soon as it opens. My shoulders are too wide to sit on a coach bus so I take a taxi or rent a car to pattaya and hua hin when I go there.. soon, I can take a train to those destinations
Is that elevated highway between saraburi and korat already permanently open?
@@heyui Not yet, it is still close for normal traffic, except during festival like New year and Songkran to reduce traffic from Bangkok to the northeast.
Isn't 20% of all passenger traffic already using trains pretty big? Anyway cheers to Thailand for this project and B1M for this video.
not for asia
have you missed the whole point of this ? its connecting nations dont be ridiculous please?
@@user-mj9tr3ym5t you're the one missing the point here, what op meant is that 20% of the population using rail transport is actually a good percentage relatively speaking, however B1M neglect to mention that the majority of those 20% is in Bangkok only and outside of Bangkok rail transport is still sorely lacking. Not mentioning this caused OP's confusion.
@@farhanatashiga3721 even so, there's no surprise that there's not much train use outside Bangkok if there's no good trains yet outside of Bangkok...
As a Thai person ; I can confirm that The presentation of the information in this clip is quite realistic and neutral.
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Happy New Year and all the best in 2023
To be fair, that train ride from Bangkok to Chiang Mai is so beautiful that I wouldn't have wanted it to be a minute faster (though obviously I was a tourist and not using it for business of any kind). Also their subway system is beautiful and clean and efficient. Love it
It would be a great option for people in BKK who just wanted a quick weekend getaway. Imagine a bullet train that takes only 3hrs from BKK to Chiangmai. That would be even more convenient than taking a flight.
Thailand just needs different options that people can choose from!
For that railway Thailand will use Shinkansen from Japan not China.
Wow. Hopefully this works out since it looks amazing in concept.
Looks like it will be a beautiful scenic train route, especially the elevated sections above marshlands.
Finally! New episode 🔥
I just started a job on Amtrak and it's really cool to start learning more about trains and how the systems work. And getting into the industry where a lot of stuff is being improved is awesome to see
As an inland Chinese province Sichuan people ,we love to travel to Thailand ,it’s a cheaper and closer destination than our coast cities. The hsr will bring us even closer together
dont think it will be much cheaper than flight tickets..
we do not want to have closer ties with a totalitarian regime. Get rid of your foul government and we'll talk further.
@@ntro9347 who are you
@@zhangburnham7226 The Boogieman.
Thank you for sharing this very nice city and country.
I've traveled through Bangkok for quite a few flights, and I was often impressed by how seemingly uncoordinated and disheveled the operations were, but how thousands of flights, perhaps majority delayed, but also all able to land and take off, from one of Southeast Asia's largest hubs.
I could expect a similar result from Thailand's high speed rail network, perhaps filled with delays and inefficiencies, but eventually complete and functional. Just look at any other country's forays into high speed rail - they were all delayed and over budget, but eventually gained ridership and success.
No, it will work, for the simple fact that it uses chinese standards, not only for construction, but as well as operational standards
Love Chinese fast rail - flying at (10m above) ground level.
For China, the Chinese can build any rail roads on any terrains, they already have done in their country.
They can also build viruses. They're very good at it.
@@jacquesmertens3369 Do you know where the Spanish Flu originated ?
@@jacquesmertens3369 racist pig
@Zaydan Alfariz Yes, many Chinese (not only Chinese) helped to build railways in California. What's your point?
@Zaydan Alfariz I have no clue what you mean, and whatever it means, it has nothing to do with what I wrote. I suggest that you continue going to school. Reading skill always come in handy.
Loving the Thai Canadian Goose at 5:56. She really needed a vacation.
Exciting. Future travel across Asia modern and fast trains will be amazing.
If both China and Thailand, and even the whole southeast Asia needs the rail system, then just go for it. As for the engineering challenges in terms of geography, landscape and ecology, the same rail system in Guizhou and Yunnan province of China could be good references, for the challenges there are similar, or maybe even greater. So ain't be any problem.
Then i will visit Thailand on every weekend by hi speed train
@@warheadvun5485check the map. Thailand is the center of the network, which is a perfect position for business.
The greatest project of mankind - China-Singapore high-speed rail, I look forward to the rapid progress of the project🥰🥰🥰
Man when I watch your videos it really gives me a world peace vibe then I turn the news on and it’s gone.
I took the overnight train to Chiang Mai and even tho I slept for 1/2 of it it still took waaay too long.
BTW, I believe the times you quoted are Thai estimates rather than real life times.
Don't blame China for her financial assistance or investments onto other countries. China has made it clear if other governments do NOT eager to proceed onto the infra-structure projects; she just withdrawn immediately - don't waste time. For example, Malaysia railway line, India HSR, British nuclear plant...etc.
Why USA doesn’t work in infrastructure projects like China does ? I know USA is major financier of World Bank & IMF, but those are more involved into institutional financing for struggling state banks not for large scale infrastructure projects like China does for powerplants, sea ports, train systems, new cities & industrial zones.
Majority of the money goes straight into military in the USA. Rest gets split into different categories like infrastructure but the splits leave very little left so things just move very slowly as different states have to have a similar amount of infrastructure fund available for these big projects.
The B1m is the my favourite you tube channel
Aside from the Northeast HSR line featured in this clip, the Eastern line to Rayong has also already started in construction. The goal for the first phase of this line is to connect 3 international airports and link Bangkok to the industrial hub in Rayong. However, the North line that runs to Chiangmai has been very slow to start. The government and investors think that this line will not be profitable.
If there's anyone capable of constructing this high speed rail system on such terrain 'hellish for engineers' (nicely put😂), with reasonable efficiency, it would be China
"hellish for engineers" is a joke.. else a moron.
The Japanese and korean can do it too
Even the Germans and French can do it too.
@@Steven91637 If you really think that then you delusional
@@Steven91637 With 50x the cost and 10x the time needed, maybe😮💨
The B1m is the best of you tube
Fantastic video
Lets hope it goes all the way to Singapore.
China looks to help build for the world; bringing solutions and infrastructure projects that display win-win scenarios. May China & Thailand relations continue to prosper 😊
We don't need your help
@@user-zk1xk9ij2m If only that were the truth. Developing countries from around the world submit a proposal to China's government for the project they would like to build and the amount of financing they are seeking.
@@Lena-vw6ye In a lot of projects in which China has invested, I tend to agree. They seem to do a decent job at creating value for most involved, in a lot of cases a better job than most western equivalents. That said, as growth slows, and easy money becomes more scarce at home that magnanimous disposition in projects abroad is is shifting. This project is a case study in just that. To get this project off the ground China leaned on goodwill built over the last decade and initially agreed to shoulder a significant portion of the risk (through favorable loans/ subsidies etc). That balanced approach has swung heavily to favor Chinese interests as the project has progressed. On top of that the mechanisms through which China persuaded the Thai government to participate skewed further and further away from mutual benefits toward the more extortive, “if you don’t do this you will regret it. Remember, China is your largest trading partner” sort as time moved on towards present day. I wish they’d go back to the old way, but it’s looking more and more like that China and the environment/ incentives that made it possible are lost to the past.
@@williambrasky3891 This is not true. China does not go into developing countries and dictates, what should be built or how much it will cost. Developing countries submit a proposal to China's government for the project they would like to build and the amount of financing they are seeking. China's belt and road initiative primarily focuses on infrastructure; airports, trains, highways, bridges, or ports, and for these developing countries, these are the type of projects that have long-term potential to increase trade and improve a country's standard of living. It is the developing country that approaches China, China is simply an investor, there are no predatory loans; China is essentially trying to finance projects that will ultimately increase overseas trade. China has forgiven 23 loans for 17 African countries. You've got to wonder why African countries actually continue to move closer to China but it's easy to see China sees Africa as a long-term investment, and is willing to make short-term sacrifices to ensure the long-term stability of this amazing economic partnership.
China needs to left my country alone before turning it into another Cambodia.
Would love to see your video on Rail Baltica project.
Always interesting 👍
Bummer that no one in Thailand was interviewed for the video, would be interesting to see what they think about the environmental impact.
By the way, might be interesting for the B1M to take a look at a project that is the first of its kind - Israel just started, this week, pumping water from desalination plants on the Mediterranean coast to a natural lake (Sea of Galilee), to combat long bouts of drought that had been plaguing it for decades. It's a rather simpler project, but one that many other countries might end up doing as well.
They really should have found someone to interview who actually lives here. The Australian guy doesn't even seem to know the names of the Bangkok mass transit systems.
@@asortdcookie Yeah, I don't expect deep, complex interviews for an 8 minute video, and it is after all free content on TH-cam, but it seems appropriate to interview Thais about Thai issues.
This is just stupid from an energetic pow. How many coal plants will have to work to desalinize and transport the water they lack because of overuse and climate change?
@@etienne8110 that's a fair point, however - the desalination plants are powered by gas power plants, and a large amount of generated water is sold to Jordan (which is in dire need of it) in return for Jordanian solar power. So, not too bad. Also, it's not like there's any choice - the Sea of Galilee is one of the most important fresh water supplies in the area, and if it gets too low, it will become irreversibly unusable (due to mixture of fresh water with deep high salinity water). In 2018, Israel had to completely stop pumping out of it, but luckily already had enough desalination plants supplying the country.
Thai guy here. I think that's no need for interviews about the environmental impact here the most part of the HSR projet is use the land near existing railway network so that is make little impact to environments. The land nearby always keep the glass short and no big tree.
I love high speed railways! unfortunately they don't build it in the Netherlands except for the HSL-Zuid...
You never miss an opportunity to make a pun, and I love it.
Congratulations 2million subscriber my bro
Speaking of China HSR in Southeast Asia, you missed the Jakarta-Bandung HSR project that (hopefully) will be finish next year.
I thought they already reported on that?
@@SickOfDemocracy the only Indonesian megaprojects B1M made a full video of was the Trans Sumatera Toll Road
@@giraffestreet i must be mistaking it then.
I think I know why Jakarta-Bandung HSR was not mentioned. It's because it's not connected to the Trans ASEAN HSR Network.
Congrats Indonesia let’s get it done!
It can not be more difficult than the Chendgu - Kunming line, from 2007 to 2022 to finish, with terrain much worse.
The B1M is the best, find something to document on my continent🌍 Africa especially Zimbabwe
Wow amazing !
Great! The link-up will break the poverty of the North and the landlocked countries of Laos and Cambodia and bring peace to Myanmar with economic development.
Eh? Was expecting more. Still, your channel is very good usually. All the best.
MORE TRAINS PLEASE B1M
3:14 I love how the animation looks just exactly like the german ICE trains haha.
Would love to see a video on the progress of the California HSR project.
It's a hoax🥴
Most Southeast Asian likes this project to succeed to boost the economy to become the next Europe.
Heavy on the puns in the intro love it
Love you bro
About half Thai families have at least one Chinese ancestor like the royal family and literally all prime minister families, I visited a Thai co-worker in 2017 and turn out his family was 95% Chinese also, although only the grandma still speak Shanghainess but it is nice to see so many Chinese flourishing in Thailand. Northern Thailand was part of 3 Xuan 6 Wei tusi system during Ming Dynasty and although the system break and only 4 out of the 9 tusi still remain in China today and rest becomes laos, North Thailand and Burma, we still feel those are our family
funny
Wow! Bangkok is my hometown.🇹🇭😊
I think the high-speed train would be beneficial for tourists looking to travel into Laos or other parts of the countryside. I took the train from Bangkok to Vientiane, and it was not the most pleasant. It was an overnight trip, and the accommodations where not very clean. I also got food poisoning, so that didn't help.
B1M you're from England but in this and the Seattle train expansion video, you've adopted the American practice of identifying an infrastructure project by its price first.
The amount of train-puns in this video is cursed. Well done!
Once the Laos railway is operational, Thailand will likely join it because of economic benefits and competitive advantage over other states around it.
Why is there an Australia Nation University guy talking about this project instead of asking some Thailand expert? It is their project, and they should know better. Unless....
Thanks
0:45 Literally my first question was going to be whether they are doing the smart thing and include low speed cargo tracks while they build the high speed lines at a negligible cost increase to insure regional and cargo trains don‘t interfere with high speed operations.
Literally the first render you show already shows this, less than a minute in and they are arguably already doing a better job than many (most) European countries, not bad.
Thailand already has double tracked 1 meter narrow gauge railways along the length of the first phase of HSR. More of them is currently being built, as well as two new lines.
You can't run cargo trains on very high speed rail tracks. In China, mixed used train tracks are limited to 250km/h. I don't think China is planning to build a passenger only high speed rail to Thailand either, I think they are more interested with freight transportation, so the high speed rail should be no more than 250km/h.
Thai government is planning to build high speed railways throughout Thailand, but it will take time. These projects are under Thailand’s budget, not from China.
Meanwhile They are also planning to build the land-bridge from east cost to south coast. It is possible that they might build a Kra Canal as well.
According to what I mentioned above, Thailand will be a hub in South East Asia for sure.
If there's a connecting HSR between Jakarta - Bangkok, then I would go to Thailand more often 🤣
Thailand the hub of hubs!! Seriously, the number of times Thailand have called themselves a hub of just about anything has been a running joke with the expat community for decades. Having infrastructure is one thing, having an arcane government is an entirely different matter and will only stifle any future growth. The power vacuum in Thailand needs to be addressed first. In addition the Khra canal has been discussed for nearly a century, so I wouldn't hold my breath just yet!
It's ridiculous to claim that the low ridership of rail in Thailand currently means that we shouldn't build an improved rail system -- rather, it indicates that rail needs to be made *better* to increase that 20% of trips figure!
i took a sleeper from ayutaya to chiang mai, and was great fun ... but the trip from bangkok to ayutaiya in a regular train was king of backwards, slow, congested, noisy ...
I like the 12 hour train Bangkok to Chiang mai .
If its promoted and has ticket prices that are reasonable then it should attract customers and tourists!
Just in case that anyone wish to keep track on Thailand HSR project, this guy's channel follows it every half a month or so on the old normal rail line that goes alongside the new one that is being built. youtube.com/@bordintrain
But you'll have to excuse the fact that it is all in Thai language.
Great move from Thailand
Of course if you looking for negative report , . then just ask an lecturer that base in a Australian university !! ! he/ she will added their personal opinion into the conversation , it works every time ! I know I live in this 2nd class part of the world ! and listen to these Aussies BS daily. here the most fastest train " XPT " in NSW on the north coast interstate line ! Sydney to Brisbane 12 + hrs ! ! the is AVERAGE speed is at 70 km/h ! ! We call this " cattle train " !
The Thais don't often use their existing rail because its old and slow. If you bring in rail that is fast and modern - the Thais will pack them - just like they have done on the MRT and BTS.
a lot of Thais cannot afford the BTS or MRT.
Actually we(Thai) should got start construct high speed rail 10 years ago if not because of military coup. 😢
@@sine4586fcking military in the way
Embarrassing @@sine4586