I think this was the most refreshing snowmobile related video this year because Dan at least addressed the elephant in the room in that reliability has been a huge issue. It was nice to hear someone at least talk about it even if it was bried.
can you imagine being an extreme professional snowmobile rider like Burandt and you have to get on camera and act like you're impressed with an ice scratcher. We have put men on the moon, need I remind you
All due respect, but last time I checked we cant read people’s minds. Who are we to call these pro-riders out, on what WE think they are thinking. I don’t know about you, but new reversible ice scratchers with added cooling ability sounds pretty dang good to me.
From watching Muskoka Freerider, and I've been on polaris since 1975, looks like polaris needs to work on some primary durability. 2 primary spider failures in 800 miles, I think a 325 track might enhance that failure. Will be something to watch for. I past riding at that level but lots of up coming guys can.
@@208SledHead Clutch didnt explode like every 9r thats rode with him this year and im a poo guy wont be snow checking for awhile till they get that dynamite clutch fixed
@@drifter5682 What I’m saying is his Ski Doo has been broken down for almost a month now - for the second time. Boondock Nation guys JUST GOT their G5’s back from early January too. Add all the exploding and backordered chain cases and reed failures, all of the sudden that Ski Doo feeling is sending you home early.
Muskoka finds the weak links pounding every day. I Have pulled mile long steep pulls but could never in my mind hold wide open for minutes without blipping the throttle. Thats why I love that style. And yes the doo has been down this season. I'm sick polaris all the way,, I just hate to see my team down, and hope they pinch the weakness. I will ask Keith Curtis and his friends next time I see them how their luck has been with the clutch spider on their 9Rs for the last couple of seasons. They are locals where I live. Will post their answers.
Thank you for the video! I don’t think anyone thinks that Polaris is just throwing shit together glad you addressed that! It’s difficult for most guys to shell out $20k+ and have your sled break or a part fail and parts be back ordered. I’m Maine and we get 2 months if we are lucky of riding. We have one serious failure and our season is shot. I like the product when it’s working! I’ve been lucky with my sleds, but then again I’m not ripping it every day like the guys out west. I’m gonna stay the course, just snow checked a 155 9r Khaos Slash. $22,663 ouch! But if we can keep a clutch in it it sounds like a damn fun sled
Thanks for your knowledgeable and informative input as always Dan. Too bad I was two days early on dropping by your shop! I could’ve asked for your opinion on the 3.25 track for my heavy butt!😆 doing a little BSing about cars and getting the lowdown on the best ribeye in town was cool enough. Thanks again Dan, and the ribeye at Bull moose lived up to your hype! Alan from Bucky’s.
New scratchers and tracks are useless without a clutch that doesn't fall off or blow up every 700k and sparkplugs that needs to be replaced several times a day in some cases, how about fixing all of that first, which by the way should have been done before they ended up on the open market in the first place, regardless of all the problems the manufacturers have had for the past few years the quality control should not be lowered, there is no excuse for that stupidity!
@@208SledHead Yeah, and Arctic Cat with their sleds self combusting or falling apart, it's ridiculous how bad things have become, you pay more but get more broken and unfinished produkts, make that make sense.
@@E33Tpro To be fair though, these sleds are taking is where nobody thought was possible just 10 years ago. And nobody is forcing us to but the absolute top of the line sled. If people still have reliability at the top of their list, then the manufactures make a sled for that. But if you want the best of the best, there’s gonna be gremlins.
I'm really disappointed to still not see an 850 sks. They have the base model 650 sks again, but I really want to see an 850 sks option with a 7s. I'm just not a big fan of the wide ski stance of the switchback assault.
This video is a big help in choosing a next sled. Got to stop in the NxtLvl store today and bug Dan with some follow up questions. Thanks for the great content!
The "my bad" attitude in the world today, as you said "the world we live in", is the problem! Everyone attempts to escape culpability by simply claiming it cannot be help or it's someone else's fault. Manufacturers use this to raise prices but not the quality or value,that simply can't be rectified by or excused with my bad.The manufacturer has lost zero dollars per copy of sled profits. It is built into the price. Protecting shareholders and giving the middle finger to the end user. Consumers lose, dollars, days on the snow, anxiety about trusting our vehicles to get us back to safety, "my bad" doesn't equate to all is good. My bad ..if anyone is offended!
Dan, how does the sled know if your on the trail or in the powder for the 50mph. Is the screen gonna flash like it does for the brake warning when guys are trying to see their RPMs on climbs?
So my questions would be about give and take on track speed as tht has always seemed to be the big issue currently riding a freeride165 3" but switch out with a khaos 165 2.75 often seems the Polaris just keeps chewing with almost 10mph faster track speed. Also how is all this extra surface area going to effect clutch and belt life p22 seems to have quite an issue this year.
All this new stuff is wonderful. What I'm wondering is if Polaris will ever fix the gas tank on my AXIS? I have lost one whole year of riding because of the " do not ride recall" for the exploding gas tank. As of February, my dealer has not seen a single repair kit.
Yes, an stm rage 4 primary. My buddys p22 blew apart last season and he spent the 1500 on the billet stm primary and has put the SMACKDOWN on it all this season. No regrets according to him, Ive got stm's in my stuff too cuz well, theyre better in every aspect.
Already submitted my snowcheck, hopefully I don't regret the track decision, but 155 Pro Boost with the 3.25. I'm coming off a clutched 22 Khaos 165 2.75, sounds like there's two different takes on the 3.25 and from one perspective its great for newer riders to get traction, but I have also heard it will make the sled a handful. Hoping my decision lands me in the middle between planted and khaotic haha.
@@realkilju No snow yet, but unfortunately life happened and I likely won't be taking delivery, I put a 300LX track onto my 165 Khaos instead to get it to be more playful. The 2.75 doesn't bite much at all, just spins.
I would imagine it’s hard for Polaris to find just the right combination of cheap Chinese parts to help with profitability weighed against durability concerns voiced by their customers. I think they should charge more for these sleds!
I have a riding buddy waiting on 2 different dealers to get to his sled recall fixed, only took him 10 weeks to get one to get to it. I will agree with Deez, it was all his fault.
Only 10 weeks!! Well I’m at the 8 week mark, and was told they can’t give me an estimate yet. Obviously I’m riding it anyway, hopefully won’t burst into flames!!
@@Wanderer509- Time to find a new dealer. I was in and out in 30 minutes - that includes unload/loading. There’s no reason for these dealers to push you guys off
Polaris is rushing product to market without thoroughly testing. The habitual stop ride recalls on both my new sleds are seriously making we want to switch brands. Seems as soon as a stop ride recall happens it takes several months for a fix to be released. This could easily hamper someone's plans and season. Polaris should be offering some kind of compensation for this aggravation.
Yeah I understand your frustration and truthfully we are all in the same boat with it. What I hope the industry understands is that Polaris….along with every manufacturer out there is still in some what of a recovery mode from all things Covid. Companies from nearly every industry are all in a similar fight to get back on track…and to all of them I’m sure the constant struggle with suppliers and products being rushed or even faulty hasn’t helped anyone keep up with their own standards. Polaris is in this to make money and to provide the best quality products to customers so the idea that the finger pointing is directly at them for everything that’s happened is tough. I feel like their ability to test and test and test all goes away the moment a supplier fails to deliver the right part or connector. Stay in the fight man it’s everywhere in our world but with patience and understanding we all get through it! I’ve been working with Polaris for 15 years and they’ve always pushed to be better! Thanks for sharing 👊
It is crazy that Polaris is charging +$20k for a n/a sled when you can buy an Arctic Cat, put a after market turbo and still have money left over compared to a Polaris 9R
I run a 4” CFR riser with Munster bars and I’m 6’5” ( On a 22 Freeride 154” NA! I absolutely love the smaller riser. Way more bar feedback with less movement. Overall in control of the sled ALOT MORE!!!
The new shitty scratcher design the gouges and scratches the rails when you hook them back and clutches that blow up! Just generally being used as the R&D customer sucks; both Skidoo and Polaris have been having major reliability issues this year.
Gone to skidoo after 25 years. Enough is enough. 2 engines, primary clutch coming off and 1 tow out because it just dies - on a 2022 Kaos. Along with recalls and delays? Good bye. You can talk about colors and new tracks, theyve lost it.
Is Hunter a Snowmobiler ? Nobody cuts a path through the white stuff like Hunter ! Maybe Charlie Sheen , Scuzz Twittly , song , I wanna party like Charlie Sheen
Yes the rail profiles are the same for the Pro and Khaos. They picked the middle ground between the old Khaos rail and Pro rail. So now the Pro is slightly more playful and khaos is slightly less.
@@MolsonM3 interesting, the more i look into the change the more i like it, the khaos is amazing, but i would love to tune it into a rmk or khaos with the clickers, a tame khaos is still god damn rowdy, and a rmk is just to god damn tame. i like it
You Doo queens never disappoint. Can ya'll track riders yet without a cell phone app? How are those chain cases treating you? Reed failure anyone?? How about broken/shearing/ratcheting tracks? That Ski Doo feeling!!!
You can tell who’s a clown on a mountain sled because their paddles are all bent like a letter C. They spent all their time on groomed trail punching the throttle. Usually people from out of state, not from the actual mountain state and riding areas. The locals don’t seem to have that problem
seriously bro....i don't even know what ur talkin' about....the only way to "propel forward" is with studs, no?....eh?.....ya, well...... that's how us masshole snirt riders roll, anywho :) ....someday I'll get to experience heaven....
Do they come with a 10 place spark plug holder and a spare clutch?
I think this was the most refreshing snowmobile related video this year because Dan at least addressed the elephant in the room in that reliability has been a huge issue. It was nice to hear someone at least talk about it even if it was bried.
It is tough to tell someone who just spent $25k CAD on a new sled that it is a learning process. The customers should not the the R&D department.
I've always said the customers do the r and d for brp polaris and cat
can you imagine being an extreme professional snowmobile rider like Burandt and you have to get on camera and act like you're impressed with an ice scratcher. We have put men on the moon, need I remind you
All due respect, but last time I checked we cant read people’s minds. Who are we to call these pro-riders out, on what WE think they are thinking. I don’t know about you, but new reversible ice scratchers with added cooling ability sounds pretty dang good to me.
It’s a gimmick…just like the 9R!!
Well said
From watching Muskoka Freerider, and I've been on polaris since 1975, looks like polaris needs to work on some primary durability. 2 primary spider failures in 800 miles, I think a 325 track might enhance that failure. Will be something to watch for. I past riding at that level but lots of up coming guys can.
Have you noticed his G5 sitting on the back of his deck for the past 3 weeks for the second time this year?
@@208SledHead Clutch didnt explode like every 9r thats rode with him this year and im a poo guy wont be snow checking for awhile till they get that dynamite clutch fixed
@@drifter5682 What I’m saying is his Ski Doo has been broken down for almost a month now - for the second time. Boondock Nation guys JUST GOT their G5’s back from early January too. Add all the exploding and backordered chain cases and reed failures, all of the sudden that Ski Doo feeling is sending you home early.
@@208SledHead guy riding with muskoka blew a chain case on his G5 also
Muskoka finds the weak links pounding every day. I Have pulled mile long steep pulls but could never in my mind hold wide open for minutes without blipping the throttle. Thats why I love that style. And yes the doo has been down this season.
I'm sick polaris all the way,, I just hate to see my team down, and hope they pinch the weakness. I will ask Keith Curtis and his friends next time I see them how their luck has been with the clutch spider on their 9Rs for the last couple of seasons. They are locals where I live. Will post their answers.
Thank you for the video! I don’t think anyone thinks that Polaris is just throwing shit together glad you addressed that! It’s difficult for most guys to shell out $20k+ and have your sled break or a part fail and parts be back ordered. I’m Maine and we get 2 months if we are lucky of riding. We have one serious failure and our season is shot. I like the product when it’s working! I’ve been lucky with my sleds, but then again I’m not ripping it every day like the guys out west. I’m gonna stay the course, just snow checked a 155 9r Khaos Slash. $22,663 ouch! But if we can keep a clutch in it it sounds like a damn fun sled
Appreciate your in-site Dan, thank you for all the work you put in💯🍻
Thanks for your knowledgeable and informative input as always Dan. Too bad I was two days early on dropping by your shop! I could’ve asked for your opinion on the 3.25 track for my heavy butt!😆 doing a little BSing about cars and getting the lowdown on the best ribeye in town was cool enough. Thanks again Dan, and the ribeye at Bull moose lived up to your hype! Alan from Bucky’s.
New scratchers and tracks are useless without a clutch that doesn't fall off or blow up every 700k and sparkplugs that needs to be replaced several times a day in some cases, how about fixing all of that first, which by the way should have been done before they ended up on the open market in the first place, regardless of all the problems the manufacturers have had for the past few years the quality control should not be lowered, there is no excuse for that stupidity!
Kinda like how Ski Doo shipped all their G5's with the wrong chain in their chain cases - effectively making every G5 a ticking time bomb. lol
@@208SledHead Yeah, and Arctic Cat with their sleds self combusting or falling apart, it's ridiculous how bad things have become, you pay more but get more broken and unfinished produkts, make that make sense.
@@E33Tpro To be fair though, these sleds are taking is where nobody thought was possible just 10 years ago. And nobody is forcing us to but the absolute top of the line sled. If people still have reliability at the top of their list, then the manufactures make a sled for that. But if you want the best of the best, there’s gonna be gremlins.
@@freddockins9470 k, km, kilometers.
I'm really disappointed to still not see an 850 sks. They have the base model 650 sks again, but I really want to see an 850 sks option with a 7s. I'm just not a big fan of the wide ski stance of the switchback assault.
This video is a big help in choosing a next sled. Got to stop in the NxtLvl store today and bug Dan with some follow up questions. Thanks for the great content!
Awesome. Thanks for telling us the details.
The "my bad" attitude in the world today, as you said "the world we live in", is the problem! Everyone attempts to escape culpability by simply claiming it cannot be help or it's someone else's fault. Manufacturers use this to raise prices but not the quality or value,that simply can't be rectified by or excused with my bad.The manufacturer has lost zero dollars per copy of sled profits. It is built into the price. Protecting shareholders and giving the middle finger to the end user. Consumers lose, dollars, days on the snow, anxiety about trusting our vehicles to get us back to safety, "my bad" doesn't equate to all is good. My bad ..if anyone is offended!
I’m 15 and working I’m looking at buying a new Polaris 850 or a boost when I get my money saved hopefully next year i can get a new polaris
I hope the next few years is not changing the game. Time to focus on QC. For every oem.
Totally agree.
Dan, how does the sled know if your on the trail or in the powder for the 50mph. Is the screen gonna flash like it does for the brake warning when guys are trying to see their RPMs on climbs?
Thanks for another great video Dan!
Those scratchers look alot like the nextech titaniums, which I have and work flawlessly.
I just wish Polaris wouldn't forget about the entry level sleds.
I was hoping for a matryx 550 fanner with fuel injection.
Amazing video Dan 👌🏻
So my questions would be about give and take on track speed as tht has always seemed to be the big issue currently riding a freeride165 3" but switch out with a khaos 165 2.75 often seems the Polaris just keeps chewing with almost 10mph faster track speed. Also how is all this extra surface area going to effect clutch and belt life p22 seems to have quite an issue this year.
The track speed at 50mph. The Boost builds more track speed on a hill. Thanks Dan
Great video guys! Whoever did your editing spelt Chris's name Durant 😂on the progress bar.
All this new stuff is wonderful. What I'm wondering is if Polaris will ever fix the gas tank on my AXIS? I have lost one whole year of riding because of the " do not ride recall" for the exploding gas tank. As of February, my dealer has not seen a single repair kit.
Hunter rides the 9 rail 8-Ball , with an occasional trip on the Boost
Think I’m gonna stick it out with my 22 axys khaos until they get the matryx platform more reliable.
Is there a new safety feature for the new sleds?
Will there be some sort of fix for the p22? Like refinement for durability?
I have 270 miles on my 23 boost and I know it's near ready the explode.
Yes, an stm rage 4 primary. My buddys p22 blew apart last season and he spent the 1500 on the billet stm primary and has put the SMACKDOWN on it all this season. No regrets according to him, Ive got stm's in my stuff too cuz well, theyre better in every aspect.
Already submitted my snowcheck, hopefully I don't regret the track decision, but 155 Pro Boost with the 3.25. I'm coming off a clutched 22 Khaos 165 2.75, sounds like there's two different takes on the 3.25 and from one perspective its great for newer riders to get traction, but I have also heard it will make the sled a handful. Hoping my decision lands me in the middle between planted and khaotic haha.
How good was it?
@@realkilju No snow yet, but unfortunately life happened and I likely won't be taking delivery, I put a 300LX track onto my 165 Khaos instead to get it to be more playful. The 2.75 doesn't bite much at all, just spins.
I would imagine it’s hard for Polaris to find just the right combination of cheap Chinese parts to help with profitability weighed against durability concerns voiced by their customers. I think they should charge more for these sleds!
How many recalls do they have so far haha.
What will the drivers be?
3.5 pitch with 3.25" track. Is it going to be equivalent to a 6 tooth 2.52 driver?
A new sled, I can’t even get the recall on my Axys done
That's your dealer's fault. Not Polaris'
I have a riding buddy waiting on 2 different dealers to get to his sled recall fixed, only took him 10 weeks to get one to get to it. I will agree with Deez, it was all his fault.
Only 10 weeks!! Well I’m at the 8 week mark, and was told they can’t give me an estimate yet. Obviously I’m riding it anyway, hopefully won’t burst into flames!!
@@Wanderer509- Time to find a new dealer. I was in and out in 30 minutes - that includes unload/loading. There’s no reason for these dealers to push you guys off
Polaris is rushing product to market without thoroughly testing. The habitual stop ride recalls on both my new sleds are seriously making we want to switch brands. Seems as soon as a stop ride recall happens it takes several months for a fix to be released. This could easily hamper someone's plans and season. Polaris should be offering some kind of compensation for this aggravation.
Yeah I understand your frustration and truthfully we are all in the same boat with it. What I hope the industry understands is that Polaris….along with every manufacturer out there is still in some what of a recovery mode from all things Covid. Companies from nearly every industry are all in a similar fight to get back on track…and to all of them I’m sure the constant struggle with suppliers and products being rushed or even faulty hasn’t helped anyone keep up with their own standards. Polaris is in this to make money and to provide the best quality products to customers so the idea that the finger pointing is directly at them for everything that’s happened is tough. I feel like their ability to test and test and test all goes away the moment a supplier fails to deliver the right part or connector.
Stay in the fight man it’s everywhere in our world but with patience and understanding we all get through it! I’ve been working with Polaris for 15 years and they’ve always pushed to be better!
Thanks for sharing 👊
How is the 9r on fuel compared to an 850?
It is crazy that Polaris is charging +$20k for a n/a sled when you can buy an Arctic Cat, put a after market turbo and still have money left over compared to a Polaris 9R
What would I say about the 55 mph max for the 3.25 track that is the big thing for me
It doesn’t stop you riding over 55 mph, what it does is prompt you on the display that you are exceeding the recommended speed
Lots of ppl replace their 3” with a 2.5 for durability
Great video! What size Bars do you recommend for a guy that is 6'2"
A ski doo;)
I run a 4” CFR riser with Munster bars and I’m 6’5” ( On a 22 Freeride 154” NA! I absolutely love the smaller riser. Way more bar feedback with less movement. Overall in control of the sled ALOT MORE!!!
Low all day
I’m the same height and run the kyber one 3.75 direct mount riser. Feels good and doesn’t move.
The new shitty scratcher design the gouges and scratches the rails when you hook them back and clutches that blow up!
Just generally being used as the R&D customer sucks; both Skidoo and Polaris have been having major reliability issues this year.
Does the new track require a chain case?
Hell no!!!!
Come on, are we really talking about ice scratchers? Polaris just looked at an ibex scratcher copied it then didn't even make it as nice lol
Gone to skidoo after 25 years. Enough is enough. 2 engines, primary clutch coming off and 1 tow out because it just dies - on a 2022 Kaos. Along with recalls and delays?
Good bye. You can talk about colors and new tracks, theyve lost it.
How do u "struggle" with scratchers its a pretty simple concept 🤔
Is Hunter a Snowmobiler ? Nobody cuts a path through the white stuff like Hunter ! Maybe Charlie Sheen , Scuzz Twittly , song , I wanna party like Charlie Sheen
Can you tough on rail profiles? Heard they are using the same rail for khaos and rmk pro.
That rails are the biggest difference in those 2 sleds, I don’t see that happening
@@motorizedjunk6666 snowest guys said that’s what they did this year
@@motorizedjunk6666 th-cam.com/video/VyXAY3U9kmY/w-d-xo.html
Yes the rail profiles are the same for the Pro and Khaos. They picked the middle ground between the old Khaos rail and Pro rail. So now the Pro is slightly more playful and khaos is slightly less.
@@MolsonM3 interesting, the more i look into the change the more i like it, the khaos is amazing, but i would love to tune it into a rmk or khaos with the clickers, a tame khaos is still god damn rowdy, and a rmk is just to god damn tame. i like it
Wtf! is polaris to scared of the comments to do a release video. Hardly any new info. Lots of small changes people are still unsure of
New scratchers? Lol. More like stole what skidoo has had for years.
You Doo queens never disappoint. Can ya'll track riders yet without a cell phone app? How are those chain cases treating you? Reed failure anyone?? How about broken/shearing/ratcheting tracks? That Ski Doo feeling!!!
@@208SledHead Lol I don't ride doo you Muppet. Calling out a simple fact triggers you? Lol
You can tell who’s a clown on a mountain sled because their paddles are all bent like a letter C. They spent all their time on groomed trail punching the throttle. Usually people from out of state, not from the actual mountain state and riding areas. The locals don’t seem to have that problem
seriously bro....i don't even know what ur talkin' about....the only way to "propel forward" is with studs, no?....eh?.....ya, well......
that's how us masshole snirt riders roll, anywho :)
....someday I'll get to experience heaven....
Studs? Those only work on the ice. We ride snow, not ice...
Wow!! Never would of thought a sponsored rider say a thing bad about his boss💰💰😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫