He's very sick. Your horse can get this. Very serious.
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- This horse is very sick. I show you what led up to calling the vet, the diagnosis, and starting the treatment. This is a very serious illness.
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I love that you didn't shame the owner. We're not all experts. We are all learning.
I am 60. I have had horses all my life. Knew nothing about EPM until 2015. My best horse is now a pasture ornament. Never recovered.
He can’t figure out where to put his feet. Walks like he’s drunk. He started walking like he was drunk. Falling on his rear.
He bucked me off so many times that I broke both legs and both arms and all my ribs. I could not figure out what changed.
I’m no rookie but I had no idea.
Dang opossum.
@@patticriss2238 I had one that got it..thank God I was working at an equine vet clinic...I paid for the meds at wholesale which helped...she never fully recovered. That was back in the mid 1990's.
As far as I know it's not the owners fault...
EPM
I own a hoe-we who had epm as a 3 yr old and treated asap…. Long story long, he went on to be an 5* Grand Prix winner!! He’s now a happy senior enjoying his retirement! They’ve come a long way with treatment then they used too… and no longer a death sentence. Best of luck!
@josephfox682 I rehab the horse that had EPM as long as it's caught early, it can be treated and they can come out of it. It just takes time and physical therapy for the horse through lunging she could have gone on to have an amazing career as a dressage horse, but the owner decided to sell her too soon.
So glad your horse recovered & was able to lead a wonderful life. That’s really great to hear that treatment today is so much better than it used to be!
This gives me so much hope , today my horse was suspected to have mild ataxia .. this gave me hope im heart broken but we will fight until the end !
I have multiple sclerosis (MS), and as soon as I saw this horse walk, it made me think that this poor horse is dealing with a neurological issue. Stress can make MS flare, and it makes sense that the stress of trailering would cause it to flare up. I hope he makes a good recovery!
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Thank you for noticing that the horse in care had a problem. Thank you for calling the vet, and starting his meds. It was nice that you complimented the owner for taking good care of the horse. I recently have found out about EPM, and have realized that it is a problem. Sad, but can be dealt with. Good luck to you and the beautiful horse in his recovery!
But only under the direction of a qualified veterinarian.
@@cattymajivOf course!
I hope he recovers fully. He seems like a nice horse.
Me too.
I recognized it right away. I lost my 30 year old mare to EPM a few years ago. We tried every known treatment, but she became so unstable and weak in the rear end there was a risk she would go down and not be able to get up. I could not put her through that, so I had her euthanized. She was my once in a lifetime horse and I miss her terribly.
Suspected it immediately because I bought a horse 9 months ago and he turned out to have EPM. First symptoms for my horse were water and grain coming out of his nose when he swallowed. Still dealing with the effects of nerve damage. Hope this guy recovers!
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Owner must've been devastated. Excited to get him trained, and then that surprise.
I did think this was EPM. He’s just a gorgeous boy, I hope he fully recovers. ❤️
Me, too.
So sad. I had a wonderful Quarter Horse gelding and a a friend and I went for a wonderful 3 hour trail ride. The next morning when I went to feed and Chip came walking up to me, sort of wobbling. Overnight. I called my vet and he did an exam and did some blood work. He had EPM. He ordered the medicine to give him and after 3 weeks he was markedly worse. I trailered him to Virginia Tech and they checked him out. We had to put him down after 6 weeks. Wretched disease. When I pulled him off the trailer he pushed me gently away from him. The vet said he knew he was a danger to me. RIP Chip.😢
EPM, equine protazoal myopathy. I think
Stifles are affected.
I finally could afford a horse,in my 40s. 4 weeks later,he had the worst EPM in his back end.. totally ataxia. Devastated. I did not know enough to put him down,so,went through years of experimental stuff through Davis,etc. This poor horse could not stand without leaning on something….After 4 years,that dear horse grew new nerve connections to his back end,and,could be ridden,again. Unfortunately,he died of colic not long after that. Likely because of all the drugs we put him through. He was so brave. I have hope for this horse. I would like to know what happened to him. Thank you.
The owners are so fortunate that you are such an observant and responsible trainer!! I'm so glad that this guy is in good hands with you!
Poor guy. Definitely will be following his progress. Hopefully he's able to make a full recovery.
I consider the owner very lucky that she chose you for his training.
Beautiful boy.
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Hambone second stall on the left. : )
Back in 1996-2000 dealt with this in a stallion. Medications were different then. Treated for about maybe two years. Recovered but in 2000 had a bad relapse and was put down. Will never forget that journey. Really tested my faith.
Thanks for documenting🙏
I hope this helps people become more aware of EPM.
@@timandersonhorsetraining Me too. I was going to say that this is a perfect example of one of the benefits of technology and social media. People like you are able to document things, in the moment which could potentially be life-saving for another living creature.
Thank you, your videos are invaluable!
EPM. I learned this from Oliver. He’s knuckling under in his rear feet and he has a loss of coordination and strength in his hindquarters. I knew as soon as you said you saw it as he was coming off the trailer.
Just had this issue. Were in treatment
How's treatment going?
@@timandersonhorsetraining hello. Finished meds. And had pulse therapy. Seems to be doing ok. Joints still sore. Giving farrier trouble. He thinks horse is in pain with lifting feet
Hope the horse get better. He's a pretty little thing.
EPM ... Also note, on the Homestead Horsemanship channel, their Missouri Fox Trotter stallion and a young auctioned Clydesdale the viewers wanted them to rescue, had severe cases. Every vet check and description of procedures for recovery were recorded. Months later, both horses are going great and have bright futures.This shared info on these channels is vital to save these horses. (Left untreated, EPM can lead to permanent and significant cognitive and physical deficits. EPM is a progressive disease that can be fatal as it causes increased deterioration of the central nervous system.) 🐎🐎
Ah you mean little Oliver the Clydesdale. Did you watch the vid where they went to collect him and another of them was down in the pen? Not good at all
You have been very helpful
I hope he recovers well. He looks like such a sweet boy. One question is besides opossums, can rats pass any diseases to horses. Some barns seem to get mice and rats
Looking at the worried faces of the other horses watching him as he walks. They know, also, something isn't right.
In Russia we only read about EPM, never saw or heard a horse with it. Very informative video, thanks.
My horse had that 20 yrs ago and we didn’t have the meds we do now. He was 28 at the time and had to be put down. It was heartbreaking for me, as he was a Mother’s Day present for my Mom when he was 18 months. In the end he propped himself up against the stall door due to his weakness and lack of balance.
So sad. I’m glad I happened on this video. I didn’t know about EPM
Epm my horse was the same when we treated him. He made a full recovery.
My hopes for complete recovery. ❤️❤️❤️
So interesting! 🧐
Thank you for sharing an example of Equine Encephalitis. In the 1970's, a lot of horses died from it or became seriously disabled from it and got put down. The vet said it was mosquitoes carrying it. Praise God for modern technology to help him feel better.
This is not EE, it is EPM. It is primarily transmitted by opossums. I remember the clinics we had in the 70's for low-cost EE vaccinations. Yes, it was a big deal then and thank goodness that is now one of the core vaccines.
Different disease
One of my horses was pretty lethargic kind of all of a sudden. Called the vet just in case because he didn't look happy. Vet came and ran a blood panel and turned out he had EPM. Never heard of it before moving to TX. Got it treated asap and now he is good...but I noticed he was still kind of skinny and 'wanting'. I found MVP Eclipse supplement and it has helped tremendously! Thank you for noticing and helping this boy!
I heard him drag his left hind as you turned and walked away. Then realized he was draging both hind legs. Definitely neural. I thought it is EPM as my first thought. Then you validated my guess.
I suspected only because a farm I'm following dealt with this and thankfully their auction gelding made a full recovery as I pray this sweet horse does too. 🙏
I bought a 2 horses years ago and trailed them 2 miles home in a straight load stock trailer with no divider. I was following my husband who was driving the trailer. One of the horses was all over the place in the trailer. The horse had a difficult time stabilizing himself because there was no divider wall. Several times his hind went down. He had to stand spread eagle and lean into his pasture mate for support. It didn’t matter how slow or fast the trailer was driven, the horse still had the issue. It was as if his mind couldn’t work fast enough to move his hind to compensate for the trailer (or terrain) moving. This horse was a jumper and was actively being ridden. The horse did not display any issues to the owner under saddle or on the ground. I saw him being ridden and he did not display any issues. But once in the trailer, it was a whole other ballgame. I called the vet and he was diagnosed with EPM. The vet prescribed a compounded medication. I don’t remember the name of the active drug, but do know it was a folic acid uptake inhibitor. All cells, including the EPM protozoa need folic acid to replicate. So the drug prevented the protozoa from replicating but also prevented his own cells from replicating. The treatment did work. He was a totally different horse when done. He was a appendixed QH w a lot of TB in him. So the slight hind end wasn’t blaring obvious until after treatment when he bloomed into a glorious beefy looking TB w that QH blood in him. Off topic - I am not a fan of allowing that much TB blood into QH lines…it changes the breed…
I didn't know epm was curable. I've seen it be real bad, too, and that horse became a pretty sweet lawn mower.
Will be following. This fella sure has a nice head and eyes. He does look like his owner has been very good to him. Hoping he comes thru with flying colors. He is in a great place for recovery!
Yes, he does have a lovely expression & gentle eyes
The second I saw him walk I knew exactly what was going on, just lost my boy from this. Mine was much much worse, but if you see it in a horse you will never forget. I was yelling EPM
i'm sorry the horse is so ill. I hope he recovers quickly and completely. He seems like a sweet horse.
Love and prayers for a speedy recovery for this precious horse. He’s in the best of hands with you. Thank you for your care and kindness towards him and the other horses. God bless you and the horses.
EPM would be on the top of list of differentials. Full disclosure, am a long time horse owner and retired DVM..
EPM. I knew because of other channels that taught about this condition and I could recognize right away when you began to talk about his hind weakness and then watched you lead him. It was obvious EPM. I'm not a horse person I just just love them and enjoy watching thier training,performance and care. I particularly like the UK channel Worldhorse Welfare. The rescue organization is so caring in thier work and I learn a lot from other horse trainers and Rescuers . I hope he fares well and recovers quickly. Thanks for your video and experience.
Sorry to be off topic but I’m so impressed by how light and bright (and clean) the stables are. The horses have great accommodations!!
I hope he recovers quickly! Such a beautiful horse. I hope she sets some traps and gets rid/reduces the carriers.
I am so relieved to know there is a treatment, and I sincerely hope he will do well under the protocol.
Down to skin and bones in 6 hours? Probably happened so gradually, they just thought he needed a bit more feed. We'll send him out for training - they'll fatten him up. Lol! But he is gorgeous - beautiful markings! Hope he gets better soon. They won't even recognize him when he gets back: smart, sleek, and gorgeous!
EPM. Had a horse with it. 3 months of treatment
Familiar with EPM. Horse was standing strangely, then started dragging his hind feet. One vet said he had "wobbler syndrome ", another vet did a new blood test, and siai he was a "hot positive". Horse got nearly well after treatment- he was a little weak in one hind leg, but got better
I lost a horse with EPM and had another they had a recurrent,chronic case of it. Stress can bring it on once they’re infected.
EPM, just saw this with Fallon Taylor's young barrel horse, he's recovered and in training but extremely dangerous! Possum poop!
Boy is this an important vlog. I immediately thought neurological.
Poor darling
Now I think about my horse may ha:e had it. But he is gone. Thank you for explaining what it is.
I'm in California, and possums are the carriers here, too. EPM can get a heck of a lot worse, too, and never get better.
Thank you for being so kind and caring.
Yes, I will be watching the progress too. Thank you for sharing.
I’m sure the owner was happy to have this discovered i hav3 to admit I e never heard of this before thou I’m a rookie horse owner
My senior Weimaraner had a face off with a possum and almost immediately she became weak in the rear and was incontinent the last year of her life. A new friend who is a horsewoman told me the story about her horse who is thriving with EPM. I instantly knew that was the issue with Heidi. The vet treating her never mentioned EMP
EPM isn't a canine disease.
@@lauraburdett8932 yet my dog was perfectly fine until the day she had a face off with an opossum. She continually got worse until she died one year later.
Well, nerves are nerves, right? A gal pal had a daughter come down w/a males only syndrome (and no, it has been several decades so no longer recall the name of the affliction) but both of us were amazed her case was written up in all the medical journals as unique. Her predominant 'visual' symptom however, was a moon facies. She moved back to Chicago so lost touch. Had also met the first woman to be diagnosed w/ what is now called Lyme disease. She went thru' hell for 3 yrs tho' until medicine dx'd & came up with a protocol.
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He's a beautiful horse. I hope he'll be OK.
Beautiful fellow and seems like this boy has nice disposition.
Scary. We had a West Nile epidemic in the 90’s, the stock and the people symptoms overlap in my memory so I had neuro, injury or infection? So sorry to be close, but glad you and vet caught it and there’s treatment.
I’m interested on follow up videos plz.
A lady told me the vet wanted her to put down her Thoroughbred rescue she had for a long time. She said NO! She sent for the MARQUIS paste and said he was better the next day!!! Thank God she said No.
👍Said that immediately! Only because another channel has the same problem, so I was familiar with the symptoms. ❤🐎❤️🙏🙏😘
What other channel was it? Thanks.
Love the snip on his nose. Lovely horse ❤
Never seen it in person but have read a lot about it so glad you tell people see the VET. good luck
hip dysplasia? poor fella, hope he gets better soon!
Good you assess each time a horse offloaded.
Typically it's helpful to see what you are working with.
Another quality of a good trainer.
Will follow the progress.
Thanks 👍
Wow! Always learning ....great info.
I am hoping this video brings awareness to EPM and what it can do to a horse.
@@timandersonhorsetraining Me too! Been many years since I had my Quarter Horses and a lot has changed; much improved in many aspects. Having a good eye and experience to notice things off with a horse is a cultivated talent. Some never get it!! You are very much in tune!!
Great video. Beautiful horse! Prayers the treatment is successful. Will be following 😊🙏
Wobblers would have been my first guess.
This was an interesting explanation and was so new to me. I don't ride nore do I own a horse, but i like them very much because they are so noble and so gentle beings. Thank you for the care.
Thank you for sharing this with us all . Another person on tube got a Clydesdale horse name Oliver and he had that as well. Thank God he is doing much better and gaining weight. Bless you all for caring for the beautiful animals
This baby has EPM..my 14 yr old QH was diagnosed with this last Dec. Classic signs. Treatment has been completed and he is recovering with some persistent lameness in his right front leg.
My first thought was wobblers
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Nice job! I like the way you've handled everything; the owner, vet and a rock solid regimen moving forward.
His stifles don't seem to be moving correctly. That was my first thought, too. I hope he recovers fully! Thank you for your prompt response.
Bless it Is it EPM
Your kind attention to the horse is remarkable, Thank you so much for sharing this with us.
Thank you.
@Tim Anderson Ranch and Horse Training are there more follow-up videos? This is my first time watching this video. Please advise.
He has EPM
EPM new to me! Amazing you noticed it. Blessing he found his way to you to be diagnosed and helped.
Beautiful baby - I wish I could hug him and give him treats❤
He is a beautiful boy. Glad you saw this!
He’s a beautiful boy.
There is a tube of MARQUIS for this. I think my horse had it but noone knew. The possum get into the feed and hay on the ground and then if the birds pick it up and carry it and drop it that is another situation.
Give the horse lots of love and tender caresses! He is asking for it!
As soon as you turned him I said EPM. Getting old comes in handy sometimes lol
@timandersonhorsetraining I have a horse that had identical symptomss, she was diagnosed with epm… I was a pretty green rider/purchaser!!! The first 2 vets missed it but when she went out for training that’s when they said they noticed some pretty big issues so the vet was called..😢😢 she was diagnosed with epm.. so instead of getting trained we spent that time treating her epm!!! First I hope this horse does well with his therapy.. my girls lasting issues are she can’t canter under saddle bc she can’t coordinate her lead changes!! I hope this finds everyone doing better!! If you have tricks/tips please let me know!!!!
So so sad. I’m glad there is a cure now for EPM. He’s a cute horse. I had to put my mare down about 20 years ago. There are some things you can do to help prevent this from happening. Do the research. I will follow his recovery story. Best of luck. ♥️
Years ago we had an older TB who barely pulled through. He was even having trouble eating . Eventually he got better but if he had a stressful situation he would get twitchy. IMO he would not have been safe to ride. Fortunately he was already retired
Good job catching the problem! Hope he gets better!
Beautiful Horse
I am glad there is a treatment now . Lost one 15 yrs ago
Ivermectin?
First time watching and I already love the way you have with horses. Thank you for sharing!
Horses with "Shivers" display difficulty backing similar to what we see here. The over all lack of balance and loss of mass though is more characteristic of EPM. I really appreciate your channel Tim! The knowledge and experiences you share is a gift to the horse owners world.
That's very sad. I know they have better treatment now..I hope he recovers
EPM. Had a horse with it about 20 years ago. If you catch it in time, it's highly treatable. They are losing the sheath on their spinal cord. It regrows about an inch a month.
You have a nice place i like it a lot
Omg! I never knew about this until recently. Wobbles.
I did notice he's not picking his back feet up
Im in the UK we dont get EPM here only maybe imported horses,but as soon as i saw him i thought EPM maybe as been looking up about it resently i hope he does fully recover .
Very interesting thank you so much for sharing your knowledge.
After asking my question, I found the additional video. I was unable to find and delete my original question.
Nobody minds! I'm glad you found your answer!
Never dealt with it my self personally but my first thought was EPM. 😢
In Europe and have never heard of epm before watching these american training podcasts ..very interesting..thank you for sharing your imformation 🙏
I am originally from Germany and never heard from EPM before, but than we also don’t have opossum in Germany.
Same here but I saw a horse named Oliver on another channel that suffered from epm and followed his treatment. I was kinda shocked when I first stumbled across that disease
@@Iwoasasaned well, everyone knows Oliver. 😁
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What channel was it? I would like to watch that video. Thanks!🐴🐴