Great job on this video!!!! Today I got my first gold pan and roughed it up and thought I knew how to pan from other videos..... I learned nothing. Lol. So after a few hours of failing I decided to again seek TH-cam for guidance and got this video. I got gold on my second try with your awesome instructions!!!! I just want to express my gratitude and let you know your time, knowledge, and effort are very much appreciated. I'm subscribing and following your channel.
I think you ROCK! I got into this 2 years ago and have learned so much from your videos also Jeff Williams too. Kind of like a human shaker table Thank you again
Excellent video! I really like how you are able to estimate the oz per ton based on your panning. Really helps to get an idea of how much additional testing is necessary. You have always been spot on!
Thank you for the kind words. It is a valuable tool in many cases and I am very happy to have re-discovered something that works reasonably well. Good luck and happy prospecting. Keith
Thank you for the kind words. You can also thank the two prospectors I ran into out in the field that forced me to improvise and thus improve the techniques. Keith
I never could get the tapping method down very well. I also never saw it done with so much water in the pan like this. Cant wait to try it. Buried under Michigan snow for a while longer tho.
Great video. I have done something akin to this before however the extra step is key. I will start to use your technique and I have a feeling it will enhance my recoveries significantly. Best of luck to you.
You are welcome. Please let me know how it works out for you. I am really curious how much micro fine gold in placer is being lost. I'm thinking there is the possibility of major resource expansion in many places. Keith
Thanks, Keith. That's a very useful technique. I have a lot of tailings on my property with no record of mining. I'll definitely be crushing some rock and testing out the content.
This is a method that I do already, but not as refined as you do. I will improve my method to emulate yours more. Excellent video and no obnoxious music!
I went out in the backyard with the jack hammer (Ground was frozen 4 inchs) some samples! I found black sand for the first time in my yard!! :-) :-) 🌞 🌞 🌞 🌞 This technique has greatly improved my panning skills. I think back to all the materials I have panned and how much fine gold was washed away dew to my inexperience panning fine materials. I crunched up a led fishing anchor, spayed it gold then put it on the scale. it was .08! I figured if I make it as small as I could and retrieve it back after doing this technique then I should be all good doing this when I find something! I retrieved .06 I'm gonna keep practicing until I can do it like you do! You are the Bruce Lee/Chuck Norris of Gold!! Right now I'm a yellow belt! One day hopefully I'll be a Black belt 17th degree just like you! :-) Great video!!👍👍👍👍
I am very happy to have been of help. I don't know how much gold you MAY have missed, but soon you will be confident that you AREN'T missing it. :-) For practice, you could take an old brass fitting and file it to get some yellow particles that will act somewhat like gold. Make sure you keep that practice dirt separate from what I am sending you though. Glad you are having fun, and thank you for the kind words. keith
Hard Rock University You are the Man!! Thank you so much!! I tried crushing a rock for the first time. It was rough but I did find some black sand!! :-) I still have a quarter bucket! After my 1st cup of coffee I'll be heading down to the basement to keep practicing this technique! It's been super helpful!! Thank you so much! ! :-) :-) :-) 🌞 🌞 🌞 🌞 🌞
An excellent video Keith......I wish I'd had someone to teach me when I was a kid....trial and error and some not too descriptive books were all I had.
Hi Keith Gave this method a try on my dry washer dust and the main principles work just had to adjust my tapping speeds and pressure to get the separation and found that letting the pan bounce off my gut as I was tapping made it work more effectively on my dust. Remembering that the dust I have is all less than 40 mesh, it is what makes it through the Keene dry washer cloth. Keep up the good videos even though I am on the other side of the world the same principles still apply
I'm glad I could help. I really like the feedback. Yep. physics doesn't care about geography. :-) Working on another tool for my web site. If I get a few more days off this week I can turn it over to the computer geeks for construction. You'll love it when it's done. Keith
Hard Rock University yes i live in a area not know for large gold deposits but known for lots of placer gold so most likely my best bet would be to do exactly like you just did
Thanks for the demonstration .. excellent technique and explanation! Even I can figure this one out. It may be good to note if the size of pan and bottom size matter. I have a lot of those tiny green 10" pans with a very small bottom area intended for clean-up. My guess is I think this would work best in a pan with a wide bottom.
Thank you for the kind words. I think having Richard as a test subject was valuable for the demo. It seems to work with either pan. I generally use a large cleanup pan because the water in it weighs less than a full size pan making it less physical effort. Since larger quantities get mechanically separated here, that's all I need. Large pans might work well dealing with someone's dredge cons for example. Let me know how different pans work for you if you can. Keith
@@hardrockuniversity7283 The 10 inch minelab and the 15 inch.are good. And the estwing 10 I like the gold claw production pan . One guy panned 5 gallons in 40 seconds. But for bigger gold. It concentrates well the full size gold claw (smaller than production) is a pretty good tool.
You are most welcome. Be aware though, that COARSE gold behaves significantly differently and will tend to move to the near side of the pan with the coarse black sands. I am working on a comprehensive technique that reliably recovers ALL sizes of gold at the same time. Keith
I've been watching some of these type videos. Very fun, reminds me of the good old days Rock hunting with my dad. I'm curious as to why the dish soap or Jet-Dry I've seen used?
That is quite simple. Gold is one of very few metals that doesn't oxidize and therefore has an actual metallic surface. Clean metal will tend to repel water (it is called hydrophobic). If it gets just a tiny bit of oil it can become vigorously so. Because of this, fine gold can actually float on water kind of like those 'water strider' bugs you see. If it floats, you can't get it to settle and you won't even see it disappear. When dealing with fine or micro find gold you add a little Dawn or Jet Dry to get the water to 'wet' the gold just like they get the water to dissolve oil when washing dishes. This gets rid of the floating and allows you to deal only with density and particle sizes. Keith
What's funny Keith is that I've kind of instinctively taken to doing everything you're doing there without having seen it before... except for the full pan of water at the end. I usually use a small amount of water and slowly swirl it so that it just covers the material then tip the pan straight back. It rarely disturbs the fine gold and once most of my lights are gone, I'll tap on the pan in the same manner as you to finally separate the fines from the heavies. Your method seems to take less time though so I will be giving it a go. Not 'til spring though, we're buried in snow and ice here.
Yeah, it doesn't matter until the water starts to wash over the gold itself. I was surprised at how well Richard did as he was really bad technique wise. I'm guessing that a lot of people are concentrating gold that they never see. Let me know how it works for you. You are surrounded by solid di-hydrogen monoxide?!!! Be careful, I hear that stuff is dangerous! We have myths that tell us about it here in Southern Arizona. :-) Keith
Di-hydrogen monoxide is worse below 0degC and air current concentrates it with undulating tendencies which is our current situation. The polar molecule lends itself well to crystallization at 32degF and below, creating a low friction environment that can land you square on your ass. Your recommendation for caution is well warranted and taken under advisement :-) PS: Merry Christmas to you and yours my friend.
Nice to run into someone who can not only recognize the reference, but give back even better than they got.. Merry Christmas to you and yours also Marine. May we all have a good year ahead. Looks to be very interesting at a minimum. :-) Keith
According to Google there is some fine gold across Michigan (the state, not the lake, but hey...) but only Ishpeming has significant known deposits. From that I would extrapolate that there is some chance of finding some gold, but a very low probability of finding economic quantities. I hope you prove me wrong. :-)
I will try this method, however the gold I have been getting is very much finer than that. I would call it powder. I might try to transfer the powder gold to another pan after getting the majority separated. Thanks for your help.
Thank you so much from a new gold hunter. I have just started about 2 weeks ago at this method is amazing. I have one question and I apologize if this a newbie question, but why are you using Dawn soap in the first bucket?
It would work, but I generally use Jet dry in both tubs for hand panning as it minimizes suds. I use dawn in my separation table for economy. Ask anything you want. The purpose is to educate. Glad you like the videos. Keith
Hard Rock University Sorry my friend I was curious to know why you put soap in general into your buckets. It can’t be just for sanitation. And thanks again for all your great videos and help to the rookie like me.
Most metals tend to repel water. Gold does also, water tends to 'bead' on clean gold. With very small particles this can allow the gold to actually float on top of the water and get carried off. I have actually observed this myself. The surfactant is there to help the water 'wet' the gold and keep it from floating. It is not a problem with gold as large as medium sand or larger, but what we are dealing with can be much smaller than that. Keith
Thanks for the video, Keith! I've come across several heavily oxidized areas in old tunnels where with my metal detector (Falcon) sounds off ferociously. Yet, when I crush the materials down on site (with a geologists pick), and pan them out I see/find absolutely nothing. However, I have been panning without a surfactant, and using a coarse panning gold technique. I'll try your method and see if I can actually get something in the pan. I would think, though, with the Falcon going off so strongly there would be something obvious and large in my pan when I crush it. Does that not seem strange? Thanks again, I will try your method.
I would think that perhaps you may also be crushing too small a sample to too coarse a grind. It would take a pretty good concentration of solely micro fine gold to set off a Falcon. SOMETHING has to be there. Perhaps it is just iron minerals, but you definitely need to figure out what's going on. Let me know how things pan out with bigger and finer samples. Keith
Thanks, Keith. You probably have it right on both accounts--too small and sample and coarse crushing. But you are right, something is setting off the Falcon--and it discriminates for iron. Will let you know, but am back on the Feather River for a short time now. Big gold there! The Nevada area I can't get into now--we have had some good rains here and the roads are muddy/slippery with clay and what not. Thanks!
Hello Keith. Ok, I went back, and took more samples. I crushed some of the material into a very fine flour. And in that, panned out a tiny bit of micro gold. Maybe 10 really almost can't see flakes from three spoonfuls of flour. For the most part, I don't think I am crushing the material fine enough--I am guessing this kind of material needs to be ground down to a very fine flour consistency--and not very, very small pebble like consistency???? (Very hard for me to go further--I don't have the proper materials). Nothing else in the pan would indicate anything to set off the Falcon. It has a discriminator for iron, so it is not that. I am thinking that in the sample pan I actually have a reasonable amount of gold, but I am still not crushing it fine enough to see most of it. Sound logical?? Thanks much, Keith.
How large are the spoonfulls? It makes a big difference. I usually use a two pound/ two cup sample. Ten flakes for me would be about .01 to .02 Oz/Ton. If you are using a tablespoon, that would be 1/16 the volume so the grade would be 16 times as much or about .16 to .32 Oz/T. If teaspoons, 48 times as much or .48 to .96 Oz/t. To grind it fine with simple tools use a hand sledge and a piece of steel thick enough not to bend. First pound down, but once it gets to sand, strike while sliding the head of the hammer along the steel to 'grind' the rock to a fine powder. If you don't have a fine screen, watch Lesson 35 to see how to fine 'screen' material without a screen. Once it is between flour and sugar you should get good liberation. It is not guaranteed, but it is pretty reliable. Let me know how that works out for you. Keith
I notice when the air hits the edge of the golden smile some float gold jumps up onto the water surface in the pan Even after being ran on the mini magic pro miller table. I'm using a garret 10" pan maybe I need one with a larger flat bottom and smooth sides like the falcon finish pan
On another note, I have subscribed to Hard Rock Uni and liked on FACEBOOK. How or where do your stuff come up, or is there something else I have to do to be up to date with what you mob are up to?
good technique,simmilar to a shaker table. i dont bother at the river,i jyst save the cons-fibe sieve after sluicing and seperate at home because i inly get 2 weeks a year in the river
Does this trick work for all kinds of gold or just the micro and as a newbie how do you find out where you can Prospect a little bit website would be helpful thank you for your videos
An 'assay' ( not essay) is a laboratory analysis that determines the concentration of something in a sample. In precious metals terminology an assay is a laboratory test to determine the concentration of precious metals in a sample. The most common is the fire assay for gold and silver. They usually do both because the amount of silver is routinely determined as part of the procedure. There are other methods such as atomic absorption spectrophotometry and induction coupled plasma. Each method has its strenghts and weaknesses. For more information you can go to my web site at hardrocku.com and look under 'mining terms'. Fortuitously the terms start with 'assay'. Keith
Do you have a school? I've been disabled for 9 years from a 76 foot fall, but I've come a long way to getting back to the work force. I've been learning for 2 years all I can about prospecting for gold but I'm wanting to volunteer my labor to learn everything that I can. Just curious about your school or if you teach classes? I'm interested in any advice you may have. Again I appreciate all the knowledge you have given me so far, it would be nice to pay you back for the kindness in giving your time making these wonderful video's. At least that is my heart.
We don't have a school per se, but when I get a few things lined up I am planning a field trip. Are you near Tucson? If not, my wife and I are traveling and probably moving to Alaska next spring and are planning a slow and interesting trip. Perhaps we could meet up along the way. Keith
A friend pulled me into this gold business and it is very enjoyable. Hard work but enjoyable. We are prospecting rivers in Massachusetts. We are seeing a lot of silver colored flakes in our pans. (We have found a good amount of pickers that are most definitely gold) Without an assay, I'm convinced these silver flakes are not gold. They show up on a table, a blue bowl and in our pans in large quantities. My friend is giddy and claims it's fine Massachusetts flour Gold but I'm not convinced one bit. Any gold I've recovered is GOLD in color. Any idea to what we are seeing? Thanks! Great video!
Several possibilities come immediately to mind: 1. Electrum- a natural alloy of gold and silver. It it is over 70% silver it will lose its yellow color entirely. 2. Amalgam- if there is any metallic mercury present either through natural processes or from old mining, it can coat the gold and cause that effect. Last summer in Idaho it was a common phenomenon from old mining. 3. Platinum group metals- The word 'platinum' came from 'platina' (little silver) as it was discovered in South America during gold panning. It was assumed to be some sort of contaminated silver and discarded as it could not be melted. If you heat one of the pieces to a dull red under very good ventilation (mercury vapors are VERY toxic) and it changes color to a more brown or red yellow it is probably mercury. If you can melt it at a bright yellow glow it is probably electrum, if you have to heat it white hot (oxy acetylene required) before melting it is probably PGM. If the heating leaves a porous and brittle mass, it was probably a base metal. A good lab should be able to answer the question easily.
OK happy to do that but Im in South Australia. And please excuse the following dumb question but Is there sort of some sort of channel or some sort of link that I can log into ?
Not that I have been keeping up with. There is a web site with some useful tools, but there has been a change in address recently. Let me look up the current address..... keithbowen.wixsite.com/hardrocku copy that to the address bar in your browser and give it a shot. The mine project economics estimator can be quite useful
Another option is to give me any questions at a convenient time and let me answer them directly or during the live stream and you can see the answer via replay.
just wondering if the size of the pan matters? I got one of them pan kits from the T.V. show gold rush. I been on the same pan for 2 days trying to get the fines to the top. I was super nervous at 1st but after a few hours I felt more comfortable. Il had a hard time getting the reveal to look like yours.
I usually use a 10 inch pan and about 2 pounds of sample. That makes things easy to control and uses less strength. When doing the reveal: first start tapping with the pan full of CLEAR water and about level. You need the water clean enough to see the material on the bottom of the pan. Then start SLOWLY lowering the edge of the pan at about the 4:30 position ( assuming you are holding at 9:00 and tapping at 12:00). until the material in the pan STARTS to move. Then just hold the tilt and keep tapping. The material should keep slowly shifting toward the 4:30 position. The edge of the material between 9:00 and 12:00 should remain touching the edge of the pan bottom where it starts rising as the side of the pan. After about 50% of the material has traveled past the middle of the pan towards 4:30. Stop tapping and carefully tip the pan steeper and then submerge the lower half of the pan in the water and gently swish side to side to remove the material in the lower half of the pan. Then gently submerge the pan at the 4:30 position while keeping it tilted and then slowly level it again with it now full of water again. Repeat the process until you have a tablespoon or less of material in the pan. Then keep tapping as the material thins out at the 10:30 position and maybe even increase the tilt a little bit more (very little) this should reveal the gold as a line right in the angle of the pan between the bottom and the side at the 10:30 position. I often reduce the energy of tapping toward the end also as it seems to give me better control. I hope this helps. let me know about any of these instructions you don't understand fully. Also, you can try changing things up just a little bit- tap harder or softer, change tilt slower or faster, use a different sample size or pan size. Now you see why I told you to save the tailings. It allows you to keep practicing till you get the feel of it. I'm sure you will. It's kind of like riding a bicycle- once you get the feel, you wonder why it was ever hard. Keith
Hi Ken, Just wondering how it was going, and had another suggestion- instead of panning everything every time, focus on the reveal. Tap the pan and show the gold, and then keep tapping while you play with the tilt and see how the gold and the other heavies respond. That is the critical process to master. Keith
Hard Rock University I did the dream tails 1st and made sure to keep all the tailings like you said too! :-) It was very difficult at 1st dew to me only having a small Mickey mouse pan and after a few days I started to get the hang of it! Lots and lots of fine G in the tails but was unable to extract them so I put the black sand in a container until I can get good enough to take it out! I went to bed last night with my gold pan! lol, I finally started to get the hang of it and when I could see the small flakes I went crazy!! I was running around the house singing/skipping/ yelling " I got gold in the pan because Keith is the man"!! I'm actually sitting next to the pan right now while having my coffee!! To actually see real life gold in the pan is like getting hit with a super hero Lazer beam!! I was absolutely mesmerised!! Today after I shovel the 3, 1/2 feet of snow I'm going right back down in the basement to keep practicing the technique Hard Rock University has taught me!! I have learned so much and to be able to pan dirt that my Gold master pans is super awesome! I have been working on the reveal very hard! When I 1st started it took me days to pan a couple spray paint caps full of the Dream tails but after reviewing the video I made small classifier's. I made 2, one was window screen and the next was less then half the size of the window screen> Much much smaller screen< This helped out big time because after that I was able to do this technique more efficiently! I did take one day off dew to my hand/fingers being so sore. My hand is getting stronger everyday tho and I'm now a Lifetime G hunter!! I received the the deluxe gold combo kit from the t.v. show gold rush for Christmas. It came with a pan, scale, sucker bottle and tweezers. It was supposed to come with dirt and a small glass vile but it wasn't in the box. I went down to the gas station in the city and bought one of them small glass cologne bottles that come in the vial. It was only a dollar!! I washed it out and now after I get this technique down to perfection I can put the fine gold in that! I called the manufacturer to complain about not receiving ( dirt/glass vile) they told me there is nothing they can do:-( oh well. I'll never buy anything ever again that has there Gold Rush Stamp on it" If it wasn't for you and Hard Rock University I'd never have known to true feeling of finding gold!! After I get it down perfect I will send you a video of how I do it to make sure it's just like your video!! Thank you so much for all you do and now I can teach my little boy how to pan like a pro!! I have been building Fence since I was 20 year's old, I'm 37 now. I love what I do but I love finding gold way more!! If I lived in a state where gold lives I'd be a full time prospector! I imagine myself down by a Creek listing to Lynyrd Skynyrd/ Pink Floyd while running my shovel in the dirt!! Others have dreams of going on huge vacations or getting that super cool shiny car, my dream is to be able to play in the dirt 24/7! :-) 🌞 🌞 🌞 Thank you from the bottom of my heart and I can't express enough on how much I'm Thankful for all you have done for me!! I feel extremely lucky and blessed that I have become a student and I'm forever in your debt!! Thank you so much!! I'm gonna shovel the driveway as quickly as possible so I can get back down into the basement to keep practicing this technique!! This technique is a huge game changer and anyone wanting to learn NEEDS to subscribe to Hard Rock University!! I cannot wait to send you pix of the super fine Gold that was in that material!! Just wondering if by chance you have "Test dirt" meaning that it has a pre scale weight of gold in it? like .07 or whatever the University thinks is best! This way I can see if I'm right on target. For example> If you sent out 2 pounds of dirt with a 1/4 gram in it. As a student I want to get a high grade but in order to achieve this I'd have to recover the pre determined weight of gold that was set in place by Hard Rock University! To make it harder on the student he/she would not know the pre determined weight of the gold in the material. (This would be a test and would also be time sensitive, 1-2 days to turn in the results! If I was able to hand pan and extract pre determined scale weight then I would get an A. if I extract more then the unknown weight I would get an A+. I would pay for a test like this because then I know I'm ready for the field!! I think the good lord got me into gold during the winter so that when summer gets here I'll be ready to go out on adventures! If you have any tests like this I'd love to get on board!! p.s. I wasn't doing it right. I just watched this video again and seen I didn't have my water at the right level. I will now keep the water well above the bottom surface to prevent wave disturbance!
You put it in the water before you start the panning process. It will suds a little if you are not careful, but not nearly as much as Dawn. You put it in both basins of water you pan with. The second basin is just so you have clean water to do the finish so you can see exactly what is happening and adjust the angle of tilt on the pan precisely. The first basin will get very muddy very quick with crushed rock. With placer concentrates you might be able to get away with just one basin as there will be very little fine material in them.
Hmmm.. I am a bit unclear as to just what you are interested in. Can you give a little detail on what you would like to see? Thank you for the question. Keith
Yes it is. In the big tub I usually use Dawn Dishwashing detergent as it works well and is inexpensive. In the small tub I usually use Jet Dry dishwasher rinse aid as it also works well, but makes much fewer bubbles. It is more expensive though. Keith
Unless it is a very consistent loss and not recoverable in a subsequent panning od the same material, I would disagree with you. With my ore in AZ and most other ores I have tried it seems the losses are much smaller than that. I have discovered that the LARGER particles of goldf are the ones that tend to be lost with this technique. Can you explain the close agreement of my results and the actual assay otherwise? Richard's arsenopyrite ore is an exception to this trend as explained in "Mine Report 5-9 Panning Arsenopyrite Sucks''. It took several iterations before I feel I got a fairly good recovery. On a new ore it is always best to double check how well the technique works with confirmation assays. The major benefit is cost and speed, not precision. This technique when confirmed regularly on a particular ore can give you actionable results in minutes at very low cost. This can be especially important when adjusting a recovery process. Keiith
Well, that is very high grade for an intermediate to large tonnage surface mine. It is usually profitable for a large tonnage underground mine. It would require unusually favorable, but not impossible, conditions to make money on a micro scale underground mine. But if it was readily mineable, ground control was not a big issue, and the gold was easily recoverable by gravity means, you could probably turn a profit with a 4 foot wide near vertical vein. You would not get fabulously wealthy, but you should make a decent living. One ounce to the ton one foot wide is my rule of thumb lower cutoff for micro scale undergound. Keith
I get that the coarse riples are not good for fine gold but arent the fine ripples actually made for the fine gold? Just wondering as i could get a ton of superfine gold dust anywhere where i live. Literally, the entire ground here is made of glacial deposits of cemented sand and gravel which has lots of dust in it.
If you are concentrating down to black sands, the riffles usually work fine. It is the final cleaning to gold that doesn't use them. Have you seen my video in Wayne's method of cf cleaning gold?
@@hardrockuniversity7283 Thanks for your reply! I did watch the video just right now and im looking forward to try the technique out. Problem is i get mainly the kind of gold where, after your definition, i can not make out its structure with a lense. Hardly ever anything bigger unless on the correct spots but even then superfine. I also get lots of actualy microscopic fine gold i cant even see or detect - friend of mine is a geology student and looked under some water samples i gave him. It wasnt just water in it apperently ;o) So. Im willing to deal with the super fine dust that i can see with my eyes or a lense but not with the microscopic fine stuff as that would need chemicals which i refuse to use. With your tips in the videos my task will be alot more easy :o) Also my paning technique gets realy well because i am forced to deal with this stuff. Which is the main reason im doing it. For actual money making (not planing on it) i would just contact the owner of the local sand factory. He sits on top of a hughe cemented gravel deposit, covered with quartz sand right on an ancient inside bend of the biggest stream around here :oD Sorry for making my reply so long :o)
@@hardrockuniversity7283 It *is* tempting isnt it ? The spot seems too perfect to be true *ggg*. Best thing of course is that somebody is allready working the material anyways. So it realy would be just a small and mainly logistic addition. We will see, should the temptaion overpower me one day then i will remember your channel and keep you in the loop. Rock on and thanks for your help!
An Action Mining Micron Mill Wave Table uses a similar technique, but has some drawbacks. I am working on a different design to see if I can use similar physics in a different way.
@@nikunjpatel4579 Sure. I am testing the latest iteration now. I should know in a few days whether I have it close. I am recovering very fine gold, but haven't had a chance to test the tailings yet, plus this ore has non-visible gold (presumably in the heavies) that will take laboratory assay to locate and quantify- A slow and expensive process.
@@hardrockuniversity7283 sir can i have your whstap number? We are gold miner in tanzania so in case of some other questions regarding gold processing we can contact you.
A 'snifter' or 'sniffer' bottle is used to suck gold up. Some people call it one thing and some people another. The pan is just a standard 10" black gold pan. I think it's an Estwing, but I'm not sure. It's not that important. Any pan will work if it has a smooth bottom. I like the 10" because they are lighter and sized fine for my standard sample size. BTW, the sample assayed at .310 Oz/T. I nailed it. Keith
you got bubbles from using to much soap. gold is hydrophobic, after a certain "fine-ness" the surface area can can cause ur fines to float (and bubbles dont help) and i dont know anyone whos willing to spend 15 minutes on 1 pan (not even on a clean-up) let alone an 8 hour day just to earn 15 cents worth of gold.
This is not for production purposes. While it works well for cleanup ( and DOESN'T take 15 minutes- more like five or 6) the purpose is to allow serious hard rock prospectors and others who are dealing with very fine gold to evaluate samples rapidly and cheaply- as opposed to assaying which takes at least a week and costs a minimum of $20. See how long it takes to adjust you mill using assays. Keith
Its not working. I must not have gold in my pan. Sad day! If I can't see -100 maybe looking at the larger sizes is a waist of time? Placer mud screened down. I put in to much work to not check I have 1 qt of - 100
In placer, larger gold is the general trend, not the exception. If it is all screened to -100 and you don't see anything with this technique, you probably don't have much. An assay could resolve the issue conclusively.
"It's not the panning it's the reveal"? I think you'll find the panning matters, LOL There's something "excruciating" about watching a beginner panning, but good for him for giving it a go, on camera : )
What I meant was that to successfully isolate micro-fine gold, the panning is relatively straightforward but the method of revealing the gold needs to be different. Interestingly enough, it doesn't necessarily work well on MACRO gold which tends to slide down the pan as you tap while tilting it relatively steeply. The transition in behavior seems to occur at about 40 mesh.
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I always hit like in the beginning, I always learn & enjoy every one of your videos
Thank you
I thought I had decent panning skills until I seen this video. Thanks 😊. Nice hat by the way.
Thank you
Great job on this video!!!! Today I got my first gold pan and roughed it up and thought I knew how to pan from other videos..... I learned nothing. Lol. So after a few hours of failing I decided to again seek TH-cam for guidance and got this video. I got gold on my second try with your awesome instructions!!!! I just want to express my gratitude and let you know your time, knowledge, and effort are very much appreciated. I'm subscribing and following your channel.
Thank you very much. I am glad I could help. It is very rewarding to hear this kind of feedback.
I was loosing a lot work but no more w/yr fantastic instructions. Be simple is the most difficult thing n it shows u r very intelligent. Thx again.
I'm glad I could help. Best of luck!
Keith
I think you ROCK! I got into this 2 years ago and have learned so much from your videos also Jeff Williams too. Kind of like a human shaker table Thank you again
Kind of like a wave table more than a Wilfley table
Anyone who hasn’t seen this video NEEDS to learn this method. It is absolutely a fantastic method that most prospector’s don’t recognize.
Thank you very much. I'm glad it is useful to you.
Keith
Excellent video! I really like how you are able to estimate the oz per ton based on your panning. Really helps to get an idea of how much additional testing is necessary. You have always been spot on!
Still a great video, Keith. You haven't lost your touch!
Thank you
I like all the added details. I consider this a masters technique I have mastered. Thank you for one of the best training videos Ive seen. 😃👍
Thank you for the kind words. It is a valuable tool in many cases and I am very happy to have re-discovered something that works reasonably well.
Good luck and happy prospecting.
Keith
Absolutely a great job showing 🤗🤗🤗
Thank you. I hope it is useful.
Just went out and gave it a run. It works very well and it was fun to watch the ore just "walk away from the gold during the tapping. Thankyou
Glad to help. Remember, the coarse gold will slide down the pan.
Very good vid.Got to get folks learning that they do not need chemicals.Well done Luck Mcbain.
Thank you for the kind words.
Keith
Знакомая техника. Приятно,что Вы делилась своими знаниями, своим опытом! Спасибо!
Great video, thanks for sharing! I look forward to your videos.
Thank you.
Keith
Keith hi, I tried this method in lieu of the previous one and found that it works quite well, thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Thank you for the kind words. You can also thank the two prospectors I ran into out in the field that forced me to improvise and thus improve the techniques.
Keith
You are very welcome. Thanks for the feedback
Great video bud. You have helped me a lot. Thank you !
I never could get the tapping method down very well. I also never saw it done with so much water in the pan like this. Cant wait to try it. Buried under Michigan snow for a while longer tho.
Remember it only works on the very fine gold around 50 mesh minus.
What a great Video Keath. Thanks again fella.
Glad to help Paul.
Thanks again for the tips!!! :) i have a small container of micro gold and black sand, doing this today! Thanks!!!
You're welcome
Great method! Thanks for sharing and I've subscribed!
You're welcome. Ask questions if you have them.
Keith
Thank u for this video. It helped me out a lot and had cut more time then I care to admit too. U earned my sub sir.
U DA man. Man
Thank you. I am very glad to help.
Great video. I have done something akin to this before however the extra step is key. I will start to use your technique and I have a feeling it will enhance my recoveries significantly. Best of luck to you.
You are welcome. Please let me know how it works out for you. I am really curious how much micro fine gold in placer is being lost. I'm thinking there is the possibility of major resource expansion in many places.
Keith
Thanks, Keith. That's a very useful technique. I have a lot of tailings on my property with no record of mining. I'll definitely be crushing some rock and testing out the content.
Glad I could help. Good Luck!
Keith
Love your videos!!! Thank you!!!
You're welcome.
Thnks sir for sharing this vedio the information and technique.
This is a method that I do already, but not as refined as you do. I will improve my method to emulate yours more. Excellent video and no obnoxious music!
Agreed on the music! I am trying for information FIRST entertainment second.
Keith
I went out in the backyard with the jack hammer (Ground was frozen 4 inchs) some samples!
I found black sand for the first time in my yard!! :-) :-) 🌞 🌞 🌞 🌞
This technique has greatly improved my panning skills.
I think back to all the materials I have panned and how much fine gold was washed away dew to my inexperience panning fine materials.
I crunched up a led fishing anchor, spayed it gold then put it on the scale. it was .08! I figured if I make it as small as I could and retrieve it back after doing this technique then I should be all good doing this when I find something! I retrieved .06
I'm gonna keep practicing until I can do it like you do!
You are the Bruce Lee/Chuck Norris of Gold!!
Right now I'm a yellow belt!
One day hopefully I'll be a Black belt 17th degree just like you! :-) Great video!!👍👍👍👍
I am very happy to have been of help. I don't know how much gold you MAY have missed, but soon you will be confident that you AREN'T missing it. :-)
For practice, you could take an old brass fitting and file it to get some yellow particles that will act somewhat like gold. Make sure you keep that practice dirt separate from what I am sending you though.
Glad you are having fun, and thank you for the kind words.
keith
Package is on the way.
Keith
Hard Rock University You are the Man!! Thank you so much!!
I tried crushing a rock for the first time.
It was rough but I did find some black sand!! :-)
I still have a quarter bucket!
After my 1st cup of coffee I'll be heading down to the basement to keep practicing this technique! It's been super helpful!! Thank you so much! ! :-) :-) :-) 🌞 🌞 🌞 🌞 🌞
Thanks for showing us how to pan for micro fine gold.
Thanks for sharing. Nice technique. I'll give it a try next time. Thanks !
You're welcome. Let me know how it works for you.
Keith
thank you for the lesson. I am very new to this. hope to find a little gold this summer.
Where do you live?
Keith
Thank you for this video I plan on panning flower gold where I live and I've needer panned before either.
Keep in mind that this works well for very fine gold. Gold larger than 50 mesh should be panned with a conventional reveal.
@@hardrockuniversity7283 ok thanks
Thanks! All I find are micros & dust so this info helps a lot.
You're welcome. Let me know how it works for you.
keith
An excellent video Keith......I wish I'd had someone to teach me when I was a kid....trial and error and some not too descriptive books were all I had.
That's what we're here for.
Excellent. Thanks Mate👍⛏⛏⚒🇦🇺
Thought you would like it. :-)
Good hunting!
Keith
another Great one, Thank you
You are most welcome. I hope it does well for you.
Keith
Wow good demonstration
Thank you.
Keith
Wow that was so very useful thanks for sharing
You are most welcome milady. Good luck!
Thanks for the info, I use your previous method for getting the micro gold from the dust from inside my dry washer (
Let me know how it works if you could.
Thanks,
Keith
Hi Keith
Gave this method a try on my dry washer dust and the main principles work just had to adjust my tapping speeds and pressure to get the separation and found that letting the pan bounce off my gut as I was tapping made it work more effectively on my dust. Remembering that the dust I have is all less than 40 mesh, it is what makes it through the Keene dry washer cloth.
Keep up the good videos even though I am on the other side of the world the same principles still apply
I'm glad I could help. I really like the feedback.
Yep. physics doesn't care about geography. :-)
Working on another tool for my web site. If I get a few more days off this week I can turn it over to the computer geeks for construction. You'll love it when it's done.
Keith
Excellent 👍👍
thank you for showing us !
You're welcome. Make sure to get good and it can be VERY useful. We are using it a lot on this trip.
Hard Rock University yes i live in a area not know for large gold deposits
but known for lots of placer gold
so most likely my best bet would be to do exactly like you just did
Glad to help!
Thx a lot. You are the best
Thank you for the kind words. I hope it is useful to you.
Keith
Also liked and subscribed!
Very Good video. Thanks.
You're welcome.
THANX A MILLION! GREAT VID!
You're welcom. Hope you find a million. :-)
Keith
Thanks for the demonstration .. excellent technique and explanation! Even I can figure this one out. It may be good to note if the size of pan and bottom size matter. I have a lot of those tiny green 10" pans with a very small bottom area intended for clean-up. My guess is I think this would work best in a pan with a wide bottom.
Thank you for the kind words. I think having Richard as a test subject was valuable for the demo.
It seems to work with either pan. I generally use a large cleanup pan because the water in it weighs less than a full size pan making it less physical effort. Since larger quantities get mechanically separated here, that's all I need. Large pans might work well dealing with someone's dredge cons for example.
Let me know how different pans work for you if you can.
Keith
@@hardrockuniversity7283 The 10 inch minelab and the 15 inch.are good. And the estwing 10 I like the gold claw production pan . One guy panned 5 gallons in 40 seconds. But for bigger gold. It concentrates well
the full size gold claw (smaller than production) is a pretty good tool.
Thank you !
You're welcome.
Thank you sir
Really helpful
You are most welcome. Be aware though, that COARSE gold behaves significantly differently and will tend to move to the near side of the pan with the coarse black sands. I am working on a comprehensive technique that reliably recovers ALL sizes of gold at the same time.
Keith
Gotta tell ya toug keith .. thats aboot the best dang thang i ever did done see pilgrim.. better than sliced bread .. 😁
Thank you
I've been watching some of these type videos. Very fun, reminds me of the good old days Rock hunting with my dad. I'm curious as to why the dish soap or Jet-Dry I've seen used?
That is quite simple. Gold is one of very few metals that doesn't oxidize and therefore has an actual metallic surface. Clean metal will tend to repel water (it is called hydrophobic). If it gets just a tiny bit of oil it can become vigorously so. Because of this, fine gold can actually float on water kind of like those 'water strider' bugs you see. If it floats, you can't get it to settle and you won't even see it disappear. When dealing with fine or micro find gold you add a little Dawn or Jet Dry to get the water to 'wet' the gold just like they get the water to dissolve oil when washing dishes.
This gets rid of the floating and allows you to deal only with density and particle sizes.
Keith
What's funny Keith is that I've kind of instinctively taken to doing everything you're doing there without having seen it before... except for the full pan of water at the end. I usually use a small amount of water and slowly swirl it so that it just covers the material then tip the pan straight back. It rarely disturbs the fine gold and once most of my lights are gone, I'll tap on the pan in the same manner as you to finally separate the fines from the heavies. Your method seems to take less time though so I will be giving it a go. Not 'til spring though, we're buried in snow and ice here.
Yeah, it doesn't matter until the water starts to wash over the gold itself. I was surprised at how well Richard did as he was really bad technique wise. I'm guessing that a lot of people are concentrating gold that they never see.
Let me know how it works for you.
You are surrounded by solid di-hydrogen monoxide?!!! Be careful, I hear that stuff is dangerous! We have myths that tell us about it here in Southern Arizona. :-)
Keith
Di-hydrogen monoxide is worse below 0degC and air current concentrates it with undulating tendencies which is our current situation. The polar molecule lends itself well to crystallization at 32degF and below, creating a low friction environment that can land you square on your ass. Your recommendation for caution is well warranted and taken under advisement :-)
PS: Merry Christmas to you and yours my friend.
Nice to run into someone who can not only recognize the reference, but give back even better than they got..
Merry Christmas to you and yours also Marine. May we all have a good year ahead. Looks to be very interesting at a minimum. :-)
Keith
This is the correct application of the Alabama Bump. Roll Tide !
Is that a mining term or fan term?
Thanks for the tips this method should be great for flower gold at gold Bering beach's
Let me know how it works for you (and whether you need any help :-) )
According to Google there is some fine gold across Michigan (the state, not the lake, but hey...) but only Ishpeming has significant known deposits. From that I would extrapolate that there is some chance of finding some gold, but a very low probability of finding economic quantities. I hope you prove me wrong. :-)
It's great
Thank you
lots of flour gold up here in alberta, thanks for the video
Has it been helpful?
Keith
yeah it was, check out some of my vids and let me know what you think
I will try this method, however the gold I have been getting is very much finer than that. I would call it powder. I might try to transfer the powder gold to another pan after getting the majority separated. Thanks for your help.
I don't know if it shows in the video, but the gold in this pan is primarily .004 to
Thank you so much from a new gold hunter. I have just started about 2 weeks ago at this method is amazing. I have one question and I apologize if this a newbie question, but why are you using Dawn soap in the first bucket?
It would work, but I generally use Jet dry in both tubs for hand panning as it minimizes suds. I use dawn in my separation table for economy.
Ask anything you want. The purpose is to educate.
Glad you like the videos.
Keith
Hard Rock University Sorry my friend I was curious to know why you put soap in general into your buckets. It can’t be just for sanitation. And thanks again for all your great videos and help to the rookie like me.
Most metals tend to repel water. Gold does also, water tends to 'bead' on clean gold. With very small particles this can allow the gold to actually float on top of the water and get carried off. I have actually observed this myself.
The surfactant is there to help the water 'wet' the gold and keep it from floating. It is not a problem with gold as large as medium sand or larger, but what we are dealing with can be much smaller than that.
Keith
That's great to now.
Thanks for the video, Keith! I've come across several heavily oxidized areas in old tunnels where with my metal detector (Falcon) sounds off ferociously. Yet, when I crush the materials down on site (with a geologists pick), and pan them out I see/find absolutely nothing. However, I have been panning without a surfactant, and using a coarse panning gold technique. I'll try your method and see if I can actually get something in the pan. I would think, though, with the Falcon going off so strongly there would be something obvious and large in my pan when I crush it. Does that not seem strange? Thanks again, I will try your method.
I would think that perhaps you may also be crushing too small a sample to too coarse a grind. It would take a pretty good concentration of solely micro fine gold to set off a Falcon. SOMETHING has to be there. Perhaps it is just iron minerals, but you definitely need to figure out what's going on. Let me know how things pan out with bigger and finer samples.
Keith
Thanks, Keith. You probably have it right on both accounts--too small and sample and coarse crushing. But you are right, something is setting off the Falcon--and it discriminates for iron. Will let you know, but am back on the Feather River for a short time now. Big gold there! The Nevada area I can't get into now--we have had some good rains here and the roads are muddy/slippery with clay and what not. Thanks!
Take care and have fun!
Keith
Hello Keith. Ok, I went back, and took more samples. I crushed some of the material into a very fine flour. And in that, panned out a tiny bit of micro gold. Maybe 10 really almost can't see flakes from three spoonfuls of flour. For the most part, I don't think I am crushing the material fine enough--I am guessing this kind of material needs to be ground down to a very fine flour consistency--and not very, very small pebble like consistency???? (Very hard for me to go further--I don't have the proper materials). Nothing else in the pan would indicate anything to set off the Falcon. It has a discriminator for iron, so it is not that. I am thinking that in the sample pan I actually have a reasonable amount of gold, but I am still not crushing it fine enough to see most of it. Sound logical?? Thanks much, Keith.
How large are the spoonfulls? It makes a big difference. I usually use a two pound/ two cup sample. Ten flakes for me would be about .01 to .02 Oz/Ton. If you are using a tablespoon, that would be 1/16 the volume so the grade would be 16 times as much or about .16 to .32 Oz/T. If teaspoons, 48 times as much or .48 to .96 Oz/t. To grind it fine with simple tools use a hand sledge and a piece of steel thick enough not to bend. First pound down, but once it gets to sand, strike while sliding the head of the hammer along the steel to 'grind' the rock to a fine powder. If you don't have a fine screen, watch Lesson 35 to see how to fine 'screen' material without a screen. Once it is between flour and sugar you should get good liberation. It is not guaranteed, but it is pretty reliable.
Let me know how that works out for you.
Keith
I notice when the air hits the edge of the golden smile some float gold jumps up onto the water surface in the pan
Even after being ran on the mini magic pro miller table.
I'm using a garret 10" pan maybe I need one with a larger flat bottom and smooth sides like the falcon finish pan
Also, make sure you have a surfactant in there. Surface tension is the enemy.
On another note, I have subscribed to Hard Rock Uni and liked on FACEBOOK. How or where do your stuff come up, or is there something else I have to do to be up to date with what you mob are up to?
The easiest way to keep up to date and get questions answered in detail is to tune in to our live streams on Monday nights at 6PM Montana time.
good technique,simmilar to a shaker table.
i dont bother at the river,i jyst save the cons-fibe sieve after sluicing and seperate at home because i inly get 2 weeks a year in the river
Of course.
Hope this helps at home.
Keith
Does this trick work for all kinds of gold or just the micro and as a newbie how do you find out where you can Prospect a little bit website would be helpful thank you for your videos
just curious, what is an "essay" and what is the best way to do one? It sounds like sampling!
Thank you! :-)
An 'assay' ( not essay) is a laboratory analysis that determines the concentration of something in a sample. In precious metals terminology an assay is a laboratory test to determine the concentration of precious metals in a sample. The most common is the fire assay for gold and silver. They usually do both because the amount of silver is routinely determined as part of the procedure. There are other methods such as atomic absorption spectrophotometry and induction coupled plasma. Each method has its strenghts and weaknesses. For more information you can go to my web site at hardrocku.com and look under 'mining terms'. Fortuitously the terms start with 'assay'.
Keith
I still have dirt in my fine gold...
I cant seem to get it cleaned up???
Pleas help
Great demonstration, where are you guys located?
Tucson Arizona
Do you have a school? I've been disabled for 9 years from a 76 foot fall, but I've come a long way to getting back to the work force. I've been learning for 2 years all I can about prospecting for gold but I'm wanting to volunteer my labor to learn everything that I can. Just curious about your school or if you teach classes? I'm interested in any advice you may have. Again I appreciate all the knowledge you have given me so far, it would be nice to pay you back for the kindness in giving your time making these wonderful video's. At least that is my heart.
We don't have a school per se, but when I get a few things lined up I am planning a field trip. Are you near Tucson? If not, my wife and I are traveling and probably moving to Alaska next spring and are planning a slow and interesting trip. Perhaps we could meet up along the way.
Keith
after I pan down to the less amount of sand?
It’s like a mini shaker table.
Very similar indeed. Excellent analogy.
when i was growing up in america,, we could pick the gold up off the bottom of the river with tweezers and a mask all day long
Interesting. What river was that?
A friend pulled me into this gold business and it is very enjoyable. Hard work but enjoyable. We are prospecting rivers in Massachusetts.
We are seeing a lot of silver colored flakes in our pans. (We have found a good amount of pickers that are most definitely gold)
Without an assay, I'm convinced these silver flakes are not gold. They show up on a table, a blue bowl and in our pans in large quantities. My friend is giddy and claims it's fine Massachusetts flour Gold but I'm not convinced one bit. Any gold I've recovered is GOLD in color.
Any idea to what we are seeing? Thanks! Great video!
Several possibilities come immediately to mind:
1. Electrum- a natural alloy of gold and silver. It it is over 70% silver it will lose its yellow color entirely.
2. Amalgam- if there is any metallic mercury present either through natural processes or from old mining, it can coat the gold and cause that effect. Last summer in Idaho it was a common phenomenon from old mining.
3. Platinum group metals- The word 'platinum' came from 'platina' (little silver) as it was discovered in South America during gold panning. It was assumed to be some sort of contaminated silver and discarded as it could not be melted.
If you heat one of the pieces to a dull red under very good ventilation (mercury vapors are VERY toxic) and it changes color to a more brown or red yellow it is probably mercury. If you can melt it at a bright yellow glow it is probably electrum, if you have to heat it white hot (oxy acetylene required) before melting it is probably PGM. If the heating leaves a porous and brittle mass, it was probably a base metal.
A good lab should be able to answer the question easily.
Thanks for the thoughtful response friend! I appreciate your helpfulness. God bless
@@OleMossyHorn You're welcome. Let me know what you find out.
Keith
OK happy to do that but Im in South Australia. And please excuse the following dumb question but Is there sort of some sort of channel or some sort of link that I can log into ?
Not that I have been keeping up with. There is a web site with some useful tools, but there has been a change in address recently. Let me look up the current address..... keithbowen.wixsite.com/hardrocku
copy that to the address bar in your browser and give it a shot. The mine project economics estimator can be quite useful
Another option is to give me any questions at a convenient time and let me answer them directly or during the live stream and you can see the answer via replay.
just wondering if the size of the pan matters? I got one of them pan kits from the T.V. show gold rush.
I been on the same pan for 2 days trying to get the fines to the top.
I was super nervous at 1st but after a few hours I felt more comfortable.
Il had a hard time getting the reveal to look like yours.
I usually use a 10 inch pan and about 2 pounds of sample. That makes things easy to control and uses less strength. When doing the reveal: first start tapping with the pan full of CLEAR water and about level. You need the water clean enough to see the material on the bottom of the pan. Then start SLOWLY lowering the edge of the pan at about the 4:30 position ( assuming you are holding at 9:00 and tapping at 12:00). until the material in the pan STARTS to move. Then just hold the tilt and keep tapping. The material should keep slowly shifting toward the 4:30 position. The edge of the material between 9:00 and 12:00 should remain touching the edge of the pan bottom where it starts rising as the side of the pan. After about 50% of the material has traveled past the middle of the pan towards 4:30. Stop tapping and carefully tip the pan steeper and then submerge the lower half of the pan in the water and gently swish side to side to remove the material in the lower half of the pan.
Then gently submerge the pan at the 4:30 position while keeping it tilted and then slowly level it again with it now full of water again. Repeat the process until you have a tablespoon or less of material in the pan. Then keep tapping as the material thins out at the 10:30 position and maybe even increase the tilt a little bit more (very little) this should reveal the gold as a line right in the angle of the pan between the bottom and the side at the 10:30 position. I often reduce the energy of tapping toward the end also as it seems to give me better control.
I hope this helps. let me know about any of these instructions you don't understand fully. Also, you can try changing things up just a little bit- tap harder or softer, change tilt slower or faster, use a different sample size or pan size.
Now you see why I told you to save the tailings. It allows you to keep practicing till you get the feel of it. I'm sure you will. It's kind of like riding a bicycle- once you get the feel, you wonder why it was ever hard.
Keith
The technique works with different size pans, I just PREFER the 10 inch and 2 lb sample. Sorry I wasn't clear the first time.
keith
Hard Rock University No worries! :-)
I'm gonna get a Garrett super sluice!
This way I can master the small and big pan! :-) :-)
Hi Ken,
Just wondering how it was going, and had another suggestion- instead of panning everything every time, focus on the reveal. Tap the pan and show the gold, and then keep tapping while you play with the tilt and see how the gold and the other heavies respond. That is the critical process to master.
Keith
Hard Rock University I did the dream tails 1st and made sure to keep all the tailings like you said too! :-)
It was very difficult at 1st dew to me only having a small Mickey mouse pan and after a few days I started to get the hang of it!
Lots and lots of fine G in the tails but was unable to extract them so I put the black sand in a container until I can get good enough to take it out!
I went to bed last night with my gold pan! lol, I finally started to get the hang of it and when I could see the small flakes I went crazy!!
I was running around the house singing/skipping/ yelling " I got gold in the pan because Keith is the man"!!
I'm actually sitting next to the pan right now while having my coffee!!
To actually see real life gold in the pan is like getting hit with a super hero Lazer beam!! I was absolutely mesmerised!!
Today after I shovel the 3, 1/2 feet of snow I'm going right back down in the basement to keep practicing the technique Hard Rock University has taught me!!
I have learned so much and to be able to pan dirt that my Gold master pans is super awesome!
I have been working on the reveal very hard!
When I 1st started it took me days to pan a couple spray paint caps full of the Dream tails but after reviewing the video I made small classifier's.
I made 2, one was window screen and the next was less then half the size of the window screen> Much much smaller screen<
This helped out big time because after that I was able to do this technique more efficiently!
I did take one day off dew to my hand/fingers being so sore. My hand is getting stronger everyday tho and I'm now a Lifetime G hunter!!
I received the the deluxe gold combo kit from the t.v. show gold rush for Christmas. It came with a pan, scale, sucker bottle and tweezers. It was supposed to come with dirt and a small glass vile but it wasn't in the box. I went down to the gas station in the city and bought one of them small glass cologne bottles that come in the vial.
It was only a dollar!! I washed it out and now after I get this technique down to perfection I can put the fine gold in that!
I called the manufacturer to complain about not receiving ( dirt/glass vile)
they told me there is nothing they can do:-(
oh well. I'll never buy anything ever again that has there Gold Rush Stamp on it" If it wasn't for you and Hard Rock University I'd never have known to true feeling of finding gold!!
After I get it down perfect I will send you a video of how I do it to make sure it's just like your video!!
Thank you so much for all you do and now I can teach my little boy how to pan like a pro!!
I have been building Fence since I was 20 year's old, I'm 37 now. I love what I do but I love finding gold way more!!
If I lived in a state where gold lives I'd be a full time prospector!
I imagine myself down by a Creek listing to Lynyrd Skynyrd/ Pink Floyd while running my shovel in the dirt!! Others have dreams of going on huge vacations or getting that super cool shiny car, my dream is to be able to play in the dirt 24/7! :-) 🌞 🌞 🌞
Thank you from the bottom of my heart and I can't express enough on how much I'm Thankful for all you have done for me!!
I feel extremely lucky and blessed that I have become a student and I'm forever in your debt!!
Thank you so much!!
I'm gonna shovel the driveway as quickly as possible so I can get back down into the basement to keep practicing this technique!!
This technique is a huge game changer and anyone wanting to learn NEEDS to subscribe to Hard Rock University!!
I cannot wait to send you pix of the super fine Gold that was in that material!!
Just wondering if by chance you have "Test dirt" meaning that it has a pre scale weight of gold in it? like .07 or whatever the University thinks is best!
This way I can see if I'm right on target. For example> If you sent out 2 pounds of dirt with a 1/4 gram in it. As a student I want to get a high grade but in order to achieve this I'd have to recover the pre determined weight of gold that was set in place by Hard Rock University!
To make it harder on the student he/she would not know the pre determined weight of the gold in the material. (This would be a test and would also be time sensitive, 1-2 days to turn in the results!
If I was able to hand pan and extract pre determined scale weight then I would get an A.
if I extract more then the unknown weight I would get an A+.
I would pay for a test like this because then I know I'm ready for the field!!
I think the good lord got me into gold during the winter so that when summer gets here I'll be ready to go out on adventures!
If you have any tests like this I'd love to get on board!!
p.s. I wasn't doing it right.
I just watched this video again and seen I didn't have my water at the right level.
I will now keep the water well above the bottom surface to prevent wave disturbance!
YeeeeeeHaaaaaaaa
N thank you
oh one more thing!when do I actually start using the jet dry ,?
You put it in the water before you start the panning process. It will suds a little if you are not careful, but not nearly as much as Dawn. You put it in both basins of water you pan with. The second basin is just so you have clean water to do the finish so you can see exactly what is happening and adjust the angle of tilt on the pan precisely. The first basin will get very muddy very quick with crushed rock. With placer concentrates you might be able to get away with just one basin as there will be very little fine material in them.
Hard Rock University ok thanx again
Can you do a video with just black sand
Hmmm..
I am a bit unclear as to just what you are interested in. Can you give a little detail on what you would like to see?
Thank you for the question.
Keith
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Is that a soap in the water ?
Yes it is. In the big tub I usually use Dawn Dishwashing detergent as it works well and is inexpensive. In the small tub I usually use Jet Dry dishwasher rinse aid as it also works well, but makes much fewer bubbles. It is more expensive though.
Keith
how can you possibly make money on 1/3rd of an ounce a tonne
its impossible NOT to lose half your gold hand panning..its microscopic
Unless it is a very consistent loss and not recoverable in a subsequent panning od the same material, I would disagree with you. With my ore in AZ and most other ores I have tried it seems the losses are much smaller than that. I have discovered that the LARGER particles of goldf are the ones that tend to be lost with this technique. Can you explain the close agreement of my results and the actual assay otherwise?
Richard's arsenopyrite ore is an exception to this trend as explained in "Mine Report 5-9 Panning Arsenopyrite Sucks''. It took several iterations before I feel I got a fairly good recovery. On a new ore it is always best to double check how well the technique works with confirmation assays.
The major benefit is cost and speed, not precision. This technique when confirmed regularly on a particular ore can give you actionable results in minutes at very low cost. This can be especially important when adjusting a recovery process.
Keiith
Well, that is very high grade for an intermediate to large tonnage surface mine. It is usually profitable for a large tonnage underground mine. It would require unusually favorable, but not impossible, conditions to make money on a micro scale underground mine. But if it was readily mineable, ground control was not a big issue, and the gold was easily recoverable by gravity means, you could probably turn a profit with a 4 foot wide near vertical vein. You would not get fabulously wealthy, but you should make a decent living.
One ounce to the ton one foot wide is my rule of thumb lower cutoff for micro scale undergound.
Keith
I get that the coarse riples are not good for fine gold but arent the fine ripples actually made for the fine gold?
Just wondering as i could get a ton of superfine gold dust anywhere where i live. Literally, the entire ground here is made of glacial deposits of cemented sand and gravel which has lots of dust in it.
If you are concentrating down to black sands, the riffles usually work fine. It is the final cleaning to gold that doesn't use them. Have you seen my video in Wayne's method of cf cleaning gold?
@@hardrockuniversity7283 Thanks for your reply!
I did watch the video just right now and im looking forward to try the technique out.
Problem is i get mainly the kind of gold where, after your definition, i can not make out its structure with a lense. Hardly ever anything bigger unless on the correct spots but even then superfine.
I also get lots of actualy microscopic fine gold i cant even see or detect - friend of mine is a geology student and looked under some water samples i gave him. It wasnt just water in it apperently ;o)
So. Im willing to deal with the super fine dust that i can see with my eyes or a lense but not with the microscopic fine stuff as that would need chemicals which i refuse to use.
With your tips in the videos my task will be alot more easy :o)
Also my paning technique gets realy well because i am forced to deal with this stuff. Which is the main reason im doing it.
For actual money making (not planing on it) i would just contact the owner of the local sand factory. He sits on top of a hughe cemented gravel deposit, covered with quartz sand right on an ancient inside bend of the biggest stream around here :oD
Sorry for making my reply so long :o)
@@seriseriom8445 I'm glad I can help. Perhaps the sand and gravel operation could use a little addition? :-)
@@hardrockuniversity7283 It *is* tempting isnt it ?
The spot seems too perfect to be true *ggg*. Best thing of course is that somebody is allready working the material anyways. So it realy would be just a small and mainly logistic addition.
We will see, should the temptaion overpower me one day then i will remember your channel and keep you in the loop.
Rock on and thanks for your help!
@@seriseriom8445 Thank you and good luck.
How to use same technique on large scale production? I think this can be a cheaper way of recover micro fine gold dust.
An Action Mining Micron Mill Wave Table uses a similar technique, but has some drawbacks. I am working on a different design to see if I can use similar physics in a different way.
@@hardrockuniversity7283 thanks and if you devlop something please keep me update
@@nikunjpatel4579 Sure. I am testing the latest iteration now. I should know in a few days whether I have it close. I am recovering very fine gold, but haven't had a chance to test the tailings yet, plus this ore has non-visible gold (presumably in the heavies) that will take laboratory assay to locate and quantify- A slow and expensive process.
@@hardrockuniversity7283 sir can i have your whstap number? We are gold miner in tanzania so in case of some other questions regarding gold processing we can contact you.
@@nikunjpatel4579 My email address is HardRockU@outlook.com
hey I'm trying to get that bottle that u use to suck the gold out the pan ,but I would like to kno the name of it and the pan too
A 'snifter' or 'sniffer' bottle is used to suck gold up. Some people call it one thing and some people another.
The pan is just a standard 10" black gold pan. I think it's an Estwing, but I'm not sure. It's not that important. Any pan will work if it has a smooth bottom. I like the 10" because they are lighter and sized fine for my standard sample size. BTW, the sample assayed at .310 Oz/T. I nailed it.
Keith
Hard Rock University thanks very well
You're welcome.
It is definitely harder than it looks, when you first start out.
Nothing is as easy as a skilled person makes it look. Luckily, this is simple enough it doesn't take very long to get reasonably skilled.
Keith
Super👍👍😤😤
Thank you. I hope it helps.
you got bubbles from using to much soap. gold is hydrophobic, after a certain "fine-ness" the surface area can can cause ur fines to float (and bubbles dont help) and i dont know anyone whos willing to spend 15 minutes on 1 pan (not even on a clean-up) let alone an 8 hour day just to earn 15 cents worth of gold.
This is not for production purposes. While it works well for cleanup ( and DOESN'T take 15 minutes- more like five or 6) the purpose is to allow serious hard rock prospectors and others who are dealing with very fine gold to evaluate samples rapidly and cheaply- as opposed to assaying which takes at least a week and costs a minimum of $20. See how long it takes to adjust you mill using assays.
Keith
Its not working.
I must not have gold in my pan.
Sad day!
If I can't see -100 maybe looking at the larger sizes is a waist of time? Placer mud screened down.
I put in to much work to not check
I have 1 qt of - 100
In placer, larger gold is the general trend, not the exception. If it is all screened to -100 and you don't see anything with this technique, you probably don't have much. An assay could resolve the issue conclusively.
10:12 he just pours GOLD straight into the drink......
Umm, it is a TUB. Thus a container. I save all my cons, dry them and put them in a bucket for further testing. :-)
Keith
"It's not the panning it's the reveal"? I think you'll find the panning matters, LOL There's something "excruciating" about watching a beginner panning, but good for him for giving it a go, on camera : )
What I meant was that to successfully isolate micro-fine gold, the panning is relatively straightforward but the method of revealing the gold needs to be different. Interestingly enough, it doesn't necessarily work well on MACRO gold which tends to slide down the pan as you tap while tilting it relatively steeply. The transition in behavior seems to occur at about 40 mesh.