@@trishtiandailey577 yeah man. First I hated it but after putting on headphones and playing it stealthy in the dark, it became easily one of the most immersive games ever. I love the first two Thief games hate Deadly Shadows and love the reboot❤️
The Thief reboot hurt me, I played the original games when I was a kid and I loved them. All my friends were excited about Thief when it was coming out in 2014 and I was showing them Deadly Shadows on my old Xbox. Then it came out and was just okay at best and now we’re probably never going to see another one in the same style as the original trilogy if we even see another one ever again.
Dishonored wears its Thief heritage very proudly, but its Thief genes control more of the setting and world rather than the gameplay. In that way, Dishonored is more akin to the original Deus Ex. Both have relatively shallower stealth and combat than more “pure” games like the original Thief Trilogy and the Doom reboot, but the appeal of these games is the choice of doing either, so having merely good or excellent mechanics is an acceptable development budget tradeoff. Pure stealth seems dead, and that puts unfair pressure on games like Dishonored and the new Deus Ex series (a.k.a. the Jensen Chronicles) to paradoxically both fill the pure stealth and the stealth/combat hybrid immersive sim roles, which in Dishonored’s case, results in lethal combat being the morally wrong way to play, but most of the abilities and tools being geared towards combat. Dishonored 3 would likely be better with a true successor to the original Thief franchise filling the need for pure, deep stealth, letting Dishonored be free to be itself and make combat and stealth both decently deep, fully fulfilling playstyles D:
The Thief from 2014 isn't even that bad, even though i gave up finishing it, when reaching the final mission. With a couple of improvements Thift 2 could be amazing
That's how I feel. I take it like their first time working on a thief like game and made a lot of mistakes that veteran players hated but if you take a step back and look at the overall game it was a good starting point. Kinda like a beta if you will. If they were to make a sequel and just make it more "open world" like, allowing multiple routes into places or around obstacles (kinda like the dishonored franchise, which coincidentally was made by people who made some of the original thief games) as well as polished it up more with an engaging story it could be great. I feel like something like a mix of the first few assassin creed games mixed with the dishonored games could end up being great. The most fun I had was breaking into a home and finding cool loot as well as secret safes or secret areas where you have to do some stuff in order to open up an area to then find more fun secrets. We don't really have much of that these days with games. :(
Just a few corrections: 1: The original trilogy does not have the Primal, Freaks, or basically anything from Thief 2014. The reboot is basically a separate continuity without Keepers, Pagans, Hammerites, or most of what was in the original trilogy, and for the sake of clarify, should probably be treated as mostly separate from the rest of the franchise. 2: I could be wrong on this, but i’m fairly certain the main reason why the supernatural elements of the first game were criticized was mostly because the levels focusing kn them tended to put the focus more on the awkward combat than the stealth. 3: It was implied that Deadly Shadows added in the feature where different flooring types made differing amounts of sound. This feature has been in the series since The Dark Project, and while I feel DS’s sound design and propagation system lives up to the originals, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it did add some features. IIRC, they were planning to have a sound-absorbing device in DA, which they never implemented. Might have been cool, though!
PS: Almost forgot: you implied that the reboot added branching paths to the franchise. Deadly Shadows added a hub world, which the reboot also had, but while the original two separated the world into missions, each mission was extremely wide, and quite frankly, impressively large for the time. Some people like to refer to the original Thief Trilogy as “sandbox sneaker” games, for how varied your approach could be, even being practically restricted just to stealth. The reboot, on the other hand had very linear level design for most of the levels, and most branching paths were just two separate paths to the same place, whereas counting even the number of different minimal-backtracking pathways through the vast majority of original Thief trilogy levels would be a mathematical nightmare. I don’t mean to sound mean, I just don’t want people getting the wrong idea and being horribly disappointed D:
It's not the atmosphere that was the problem, it's the pathing. The fun aspect of thief games is you had to figure out how to get to a place yourself, but in the 4th game there were literally set paths that you could go and nothing else. Which made it bad, it was no longer freeroam, it was all pick path A, B or C.
Nothing in this game was good! The gameplay was downright trash, in every sense of the word. And one of the most important aspects, the Sound Design was so abysmal. That even Gameboy games could compete. Both Charcaters, this version of Garret and his garbage girlfriend who got suck into a Gem. They were so insufferable badly writen and portrayed characters, its ridiculous. It played like a garbage version of DeusEx. Having "cinematic" knock out scenes and sequences for everything. And all the other crap no one needs. Everything you could do in this game broke immersion. And whats with the POS Quick Time Events? Especially those when you traverse to the next area, where you have to hammer retardedly a button every time you want to open the Window? The sheer amount of utterly dumb game design they put into this game, is ludacris. There is not enough Brimstone and Hellfire to bury this game under!
Pretty much the only thing it had going for it, but even that was only a watered down version of the old games and a copy of Dishonored. As a game, Thief 4 was a passable action-adventure-movie game, a mediocre stealth game and an awful Thief game. It threw out or botched the implementation of several genre/series defining elements (great shadow, audio and map design) in favour of contemporary streamlined action. It curbed the player's wings and butchered the freedom of exploration that fans loved about the old games, railroading you into following a somewhat clichéd story, forcing the player to constantly wrestle with the game for controls as it oh so desperately tries to jam cutscene after cutscene down their throat. I'll forever remember when like the very first real level, the Morgue, forced me onto an overhead conveyor so I could access the next chunk of the map. The game literally puts you on rails multiple times, forcing you through points of no-returns, zero backtracking. The max amount of freedom the game offers you is that you can choose how to get to the checkpoint: Path A, the heavily guarded front door; or Path B: a vent or window to the right of the front door. So no freedom, really. It also threw out the old lore. Well, not really, as it pays homage to and references it, but it's all just the distant past in Thief 4. Which would be an alright direction, if they bothered to create a world that's at least on par with the old setting, but they just opted for a very generic, bland 'shit-hole city' setting instead and didn't bother to come up with good, fantastical, alien dialects, so everyone sounds like a character from 21st century true crime drama.
The mistake they made in the 4th thief installment was that it was entirely linear in gameplay. Which made it straight up horrible, plus it was pretty short and not much to explore. I'd love to see a proper thief game setup the way the original Assassins Creed franchise was, where you have a giant city, and you can stealth your way through it, instead of just like 3-4 sections which all the other thief games have.
I love the supernatural elements of this universe, the hag in deadly shadows, the statues the zombie infestation the pagan mages all that imagine having this in a new game with a bigger more open world as well, oh my gosh it would've been amazing...
still love "deadly Shadows" the most - because it was my first thief game, it was on xbox and it had 3rd person .. thief 4 is very good though .. hope garret returns one day ..
I REALLY loved Thief (PS4). Sneaking around, the awesome gloomy atmosphere, the beautiful treasures, the lock-picking - just the experience of it all. Sure, the story was dry and didn't make much sense, and the enemies were kind of clueless and mindless, but still, the game had good stealth and offers potential for future games.
I remember thinking there would never be another Thief game. And then Deadly Shadows happened. I had the same feeling again after Deadly Shadows, and then they gave us the reboot ten years later. If it takes another ten years, that’s fine. As long as we get another Thief game!
Money happened, and almost all known and loved IPs were remade and changed. It worked for some of them (Doom, Tomb raider), but for most it didnt. Old fans didnt like these new dumbed down iteration of their beloved series from past, and for new fans they were just another mediocre action games. Thats why many of these legendary series died.
To be completely honest. I grew up on the old games. Thief 1,2 & 3. Love them to death! The fourth game was a mixed bag. LOVE the gameplay. Seeing Garretts hands and the actions in first person was superb. The world was good but could have been much better. The game had potential. If a company that cared about the originals made a new game It could be absolute gold. No hand holding and no linear story and levels. I really would love for a new Thief game to come along. It has to happen
A new THIEF video game would be great, I've played them all since 1998 :D I just hope that the developers are faithful to the original THIEF and do not kill the sensation of immersion in the first person view which is one of the most important and distinctive features of this stealth game
Just me personally, I know I haven't played the previous games, but Thief PS4 was one of my favorite game of 2014 and I loved playing it and being meticulous with everything. Thankfully I'm playing it again thanks to the sale that recently happened on PSN, and it's still lovable to me, despite it's flaws like lod streaming being slow and some frame rate slowdown. Basically, I really hope the franchise can return in glorious fashion at some point and be the stealth game people remember it to be
My perspective on life actually changed when I played this in 1998. Loved every installment after. The art direction and vibe of the first ones will never be matched
I just beat this game today and I must say as buggy as some of the parts and cutscenes were this game had me very intrigued, I hope they make a part 2 considering how we were left with a cliff hanger in the end of the most recent one.
@@THEYCANTSTOPME While I do agree that Dishonored pretty much walked all over Thief 2014 but both games are good in their own way. Dishonored is more of an assassin stealth based game whereas Thief is more based on stealing rather than harming. However you can still play Dishonored in the style of Thief where you can steal all loot and remain undetected/no killing but Dishonored isn't exactly built around that playstyle, its more built on carnage. Overall in my opinion, I think both games are great and they are both unique in their own way.
Thanks but it’s clear this video wasn’t written by a Thief player/fan. Garrets voice and the dilution of the thief mechanics (into a clearly fps feel- even if u choose not to engage) as well as the huge world and screen overlays are what brought the fans to turn off the reboot. But mostly it was loosing the original voice talent and feel of that culminated in Thief 2
The problem with Thief (2014) is they tried to modernize it to appeal to the newer audience. It's a big flaw that a lot of reboots fall into, if the original game was really popular and has a large fan base then why changed up the formula to try to appeal to modern gamers?
The Dark Mod is the Thief game that has filled the void for Thief (2014) to carry on the franchise. With more new fan missions being added on a regular basis, it's no surprise that the Thief series as a whole is continuing the legacy with this great mod that originally started with Doom 3, now it's a standalone game in it's own universe separate from the Thief universe, but the setting is still in medieval/steampunk times.
Guys if you’ve only played 2014 thief you’re missing out. The original 2 and even 3 are amazing and 100x better than the newest. If you had fun with 2014 thief you’ll be amazed by the first 2. An even better atmosphere, better levels, map design, etc
you do realize that Dishonored was largely inspired by the original Thief pc games, yes? Arkane studios had a few connections from Looking Glass Studios
The old Thief games definitely has better and more original writing and story than Dishonored. But Dishonored is waaay better than Thief 2014 in every way.
The original Thief game was absolutely seminal in getting me into stealth gaming and stealth combat options in games, both video and tabletop when I was a teenager. After Thief, I discovered a love of stealth combat and techniques in gaming and in my own life, and I will almost ALWAYS choose to play as a stealth character in a game given a choice, because after Thief, that was just what I gravitated towards.
I still have my copy of 2014 Thief, the only thing I didn't like about it was the map design and the story. I love stealth games, the Tenchu series is my first love and Splinter Cell is my second, Thief filled that little part of my stealth experience nicely; Sneaking around and taking valuable shit! 😆
I downloaded Thief 3 last week to relive my teens and after 4 hours, promptly turned it off. For the time, it was great, but it has not aged well as I hoped and despite knowing I liked it at the time, its best to stay a memory. Thief 2014 on the other hand I recall playing, hating the city transitions, loading screens, but a few standout moments. I also recalled loving how physical the game was. 2014 Thief was not bad, just not a Thief Thief game cult fans wanted and thats it. It was a saddly rushed game, caught in the trend cycle set by Assassins Creed, shadowed by Dishonored and limited by the consoles. On PC, it still looks good, what was good before is still good now and I would like to play another game like this
I was a fan of Thief, Thief 2. Played every mod, like Thief X, Also played the Unreal engine Thief multiplayer mod, and Thief 3, The Doom 3 thief mod, and the last Thief reboot. I enjoyed all of these with their own strength and weakness. I'd still pay for a new Thief game.
If there’s ever a Thief 5, I want 3 things from it: 1. Going to locations OUTSIDE the City, like Blackbrook. 2. More connections between the old games and the new ones.
Ah yes...Thief. Spent many nights (and days) sneaking through poorly lit corridors, houses, mansions, prisons, submarines (yep), tree houses, graveyards, docks, and pretty much everywhere else, lol. I got hooked on T2: The Metal Age and went back and played Gold. Then...I discovered...mods. So then I spent many days and nights in Dromed making my own maps and playing other people's maps. I played Shadows and T4 but never finished them. Those are on my To Do list though. We can thank Thief for Dishonored and we can also thank Thief for The Dark Mod (which I'm surprised didn't make an appearance in this video). Anyway...for those that like mods and Thief...I suggest you check out The Dark Mod@ www.thedarkmod.com/main/ There are many, many missions to play ranging from entire story arc multilevel missions to short but tough missions. The folks there are constantly updating TDM and new missions are still being released. The community is still there...just not as big as it once was.
The last Thief was good gameplay wise, but they really needed a compelling story, good voice actors, more dialogue, and NPCs to make the city feel alive and suck in your attention. The city felt dead and the story was just fumbled along most of the way, especially the end. I did absolutely love the asylum/mansion mission though.
Played all of Thief's franchise release from 1998 to 2014. After Playing Metro Exodus and CONTROL, ..I find my self playing Thief 4 again on my MSI GS75 ultra thin laptop. Graphics is awesome for a 2014 Thief game. Though I do prefer the 3rd person just like Thief Deadly Shadows.
Idk why tbh but i finished thief deadly shadows 3 times while this new one only once. Its a huge diference between 2000 and 2014 but i still fell the need to play deadly shadows rather than the new thief.... tho the new thief was good but not like the 3rd one... that was.... unique and gorgeous
We need a final Thief game and , yes, it would be good if memebers of the original team would work making it. In my imagination I would call it "The final job" and I have an initial plot for it. Garret is getting old and he is receiving one final job before retiring, but he refuses the offer taking into account the risk. Later his daughter disappears without a trace and the only lead he has takes straight to the last job offer before retiring he just refused. He goes back and takes the job. From this point on he is sucked into the whirpool of the Thief world. The Mechanists make a come back, Karas who actually faked his death, want to take the scene and teach a lesson to those who conspired against him in the past. The Hammerites feel the danger that a Mechanists come back will pose , so they pepare to fight for their supremacy. The keepers , who have a new leader and new daring goals want to take advantage of the situation and get a piece of the action. Also the Pagans are not yet totally extinc, they ally with Garret this time in his quest. The sheriff who always had a grudge against Garret wants this time, seizing the opportunity, to put him down for good. Anyone is after Garret and anyone wants a piece of the action. (it would spice the action if a new party will raise among wing the old ones)
For all those interested in the franchise, please try out the originals. They might not have modern graphics like the reboot, but their atmosphere, story, open (yet surprisingly not that hard to navigate) level design, and solidly deep, yet easy to grasp stealth make them completely worth their currently cheap price. My opinion is subjective, as is everyone's, but please don’t assume that older means worse. After all, I don’t think most people would say that Ride to Hell:Retribution is better than Super Mario Bros, right? Yeah? D: Newer tech creates potential for better games, but the content of the game is what matters, and thus it’s entirely possible for some older games to be superior to newer games. If you liked the reboot, you can check out the old games for a fraction of the price! You might really enjoy it :D
I kind of liked Thief on the PS3. My only problem was the game felt short. The ending was the worst. I thought there would be an escape sequence at least, but instead it cut straight to the ending and that's it. Honestly it felt like half a game. The gameplay was great, but cut short of a full game experience.
They need to reboot it like they did God of War. First three were amazing. The last was just ok. The concept of these games are unique and like no other game, even dishonored is quite a bit different. If the game was good, it would have a huge following.
Thank you for the video. I installed the first thief game several years ago because it was recommended to me and played it for like 5 minutes before I noped it off of my computer. I started playing the last one this week and I loved it especially after chapter 2 when I started to understand what`s up. HOWEVER, There are few things that I hated especially after playing other stealth games; 1- I did not appreciate that when you load a save, the NPCs bug or something. They abandon their original routes and they leave you with the hard decision of not completing missions on ghost mode. another one is when you`re trying to climb and the game just wont do it even though you`ve done it before at that same spot which can lead you to being detected. 2- it`s very hard to control the speed with the controllers especially if you`re trying to go REALLY slow or catch up to enemies in sneak mode. 3- The saving system: I wish we could just pick a save slot and replay from whenever. The game only limits your options to 3 saves, manual , checkpoint and the start of the chapter. 4- Chapter 5 is by far my least favourite. I hope they include a disclaimer if they`re willing to go down that road in the future. Conclusion: I felt like the franchise was not`t done experimenting with this entry either to feel the market or whatever. There`s a little bit of everything. Sometimes it`s exciting, other times it`s really confusing and overwhelming. So will I play it again? Yes. Will I be making this rant in my head? Also yes!
Thief The Dark Project and Thief II The Metal Age were hugely immersive stealth games that awarded patience and exploration. Unfortunately, most game companies now assume players do not have the same patience that PC gamers were willing to give. Also, many game developers today simply do not have the same vision and passion that Looking Glass Studios had. LGS was a small studio whose vision did not get lost in the big corporate grind which is typical today.
What I find fascinating is that I find the Thief games to be particularly fast stealth games, or at least feel like it. While I ghost most of the time, and that’s a tad slow, if you’re ok with first alerts, and especially with blackjacking, you can speedily sneak through the thief games faster than I feel you can in most stealth games, and I kinda love that. Even when i’m waiting, i’m actively waiting by listening and actively charting enemy positions with my ears, so it doesn’t feel like i’m waiting for anything, which is amazing ❤️
@@Aquatj999 a benefit of taking it slow is getting to experience more of the atmospheric sound which heightened the tension. The sounds in the game are the true star.
@@Curt_Randall Fair enough. I guess a better way to state my opinion is that the game truly lets you experience it at your own pace, which means that depending on the speed at which your mind is processing everything, you will always be able to fully experience the game without feeling like the game is rushing you along or stopping you to make you look at something you yourself don't choose to :3 Also that sound propagation tho Like, if they remaster the original trilogy, trying to recapture the way sound propagates through levels would probably be the hardest part by far.
"The fourth game was set centuries before the original ones" *Looks at the secrets referencing the Sneak Thief in Moira Asylum* Unless some time travel happened, the reboot is set after the end of the original trilogy.
I liked The Dark Project back in the day. I played a good deal of the reboot, dropped it for something else, then never got back around to finishing it. I should probably do that.
The Thief trilogy is my all time favorite, and will remain so. One of the best thing about them was the voice actor of Garrett (Stephen Russell, amazing artist). Even though I couldn’t accept the Thief: Reboot, it still is part of the series. I wish someone would pick it up and make a novel out of it (as it was done for Dishonored; a good game too). I particularly don’t care for live actions, they are particularly destructive to my imagination. So I’m not looking forward to any thief movie.
I loved the Thief reboot but I underatand why it was criticized. The rework of game mechanics made it very different from the original and it felt more fps than adventure, whether your preferred combat or not. With a few more tweaks to the system, they could really bring a beloved series back from the brink and introduce plenty of new gamers to the franchise. More stealth games please!
I watched this video because I absolutely LOVE Thief. I play the latest game on my XBox 360 And I am really upset since it's been already 5 YEARS since the latest game came. But since the previous one came out in 2004, and the latest came out in 2014, I think we will need to wait another good 10 years for a new game, and if lucky, even less.
Try the first twoooooooo, they’re super cheap! They don’t have hub worlds, but with how open the levels are, it’s easy to forget that! Plus more Deadly Shadows Garrett, and some backstory for Deadly Shadows :3
Thief 4 reboot was very lackluster. The City architecture was fine, but the loading zones sucked. Also, the map was extremely confusing to follow. I want Witcher 3 Novigrad-sized cities to loot and plunder, without loading zones.
Dear Developers!! Thief is a Great, unique and awesome game and We Want Another!!! Remake all the old ones or make new ones but this great game needs to be revived! If the pc players don't want it then definitely make it for Xbox Series X and other consoles if ya want but we need another Thief game. I loved that remake gameplay and was left wanting more! We've been waiting for over 8 years now. 💯🙏🤞 and keep the supernatural and mysterious feel.
I loved ``Thief - Deadly Shadows´´, but stemming from fantasy roleplay, I had more sympathies for STYX. Also: I am ex-homeless and really paid for Thief 4, only to later learn I must download it from STEAM. Back then, with a 64kbit/s max connection (around 14 days of downloading). 🤕 ``Don't blame me, I am merely another Taffer!´´
I was curious why no one has tried to replicate this game series. I mean the stealth aspects are obviously stuffed into other games these days but I can't think of any of games that are clones of thief. I absolutely love the first two games, even though some levels are absolutely stupid, I still love the games to death. The reboot was.........okay. I just want more of the early games, it can even be in the same engine and graphics from back then lol I think that's part of why I enjoyed them so much though, I tend to like older engines and graphics, even though new graphics are very very enticing.
I hope another company buys the thief series and continues with a sequel with as much of the original development team like Warner Brothers bought the hitman series and hitman 2 was made along with the publish of the hitman collection remaster
Thief 2014 is the best and most polished thief game. It has great gameplay, great level design, great storyline, great weapon system. People just can't accept the game chang that's it.
We need another thief game. Actually we need a lot more. That game made me feel like a successful thief.
Thief would be absolutely brilliant on the new gens that are coming out.
me too brother
As in you`re not a very successful one in real life? LOL JK
@@sweettorment641 that was actually funny asf. Props to you bud lmao.
@@KnightofGaming1118 You`re a good sport 👍
I just want more good stealth games. Dear God, please, more good stealth games...
Thief is a great stealth game, and that's about it unfortunately.
@@trishtiandailey577 i really enjoyed this game
@@AS-ly8tr I do too. I love every second of it. I wish they expanded more on the realism aspect of the game though.
@@trishtiandailey577 yeah man. First I hated it but after putting on headphones and playing it stealthy in the dark, it became easily one of the most immersive games ever. I love the first two Thief games hate Deadly Shadows and love the reboot❤️
Hitman is a unique type of game. Hiding in plain sight.
They're just wasting away a great series.
yes bro it's a great game
The Thief reboot hurt me, I played the original games when I was a kid and I loved them. All my friends were excited about Thief when it was coming out in 2014 and I was showing them Deadly Shadows on my old Xbox. Then it came out and was just okay at best and now we’re probably never going to see another one in the same style as the original trilogy if we even see another one ever again.
I enjoyed the last Thief (2014) game & I would love for another Thief game.
yep ,enjoy playing d thief game at night..
Me too,I just didn't enjoy the 1st entry
@@ebiz05 sameee
@@ebiz05 omg, I binged thief every night during the summer one time when I was in like 7th grade or so. It was so much fun.
@@Goldensphinx I was in 9 th.. They were so awesome days
I wouldn’t be surprised if Thief isn’t continued because Dishonored filled the void it left.
Dishonored wears its Thief heritage very proudly, but its Thief genes control more of the setting and world rather than the gameplay. In that way, Dishonored is more akin to the original Deus Ex. Both have relatively shallower stealth and combat than more “pure” games like the original Thief Trilogy and the Doom reboot, but the appeal of these games is the choice of doing either, so having merely good or excellent mechanics is an acceptable development budget tradeoff. Pure stealth seems dead, and that puts unfair pressure on games like Dishonored and the new Deus Ex series (a.k.a. the Jensen Chronicles) to paradoxically both fill the pure stealth and the stealth/combat hybrid immersive sim roles, which in Dishonored’s case, results in lethal combat being the morally wrong way to play, but most of the abilities and tools being geared towards combat. Dishonored 3 would likely be better with a true successor to the original Thief franchise filling the need for pure, deep stealth, letting Dishonored be free to be itself and make combat and stealth both decently deep, fully fulfilling playstyles D:
I really enjoyed the last game and would certainly like a new one!
Good to see some positivity about it
I give it a 8/10 so a very solid game despite some annoyances like loading screens some game design decisions
It's nothing to do after
The Thief from 2014 isn't even that bad, even though i gave up finishing it, when reaching the final mission. With a couple of improvements Thift 2 could be amazing
That's how I feel. I take it like their first time working on a thief like game and made a lot of mistakes that veteran players hated but if you take a step back and look at the overall game it was a good starting point. Kinda like a beta if you will. If they were to make a sequel and just make it more "open world" like, allowing multiple routes into places or around obstacles (kinda like the dishonored franchise, which coincidentally was made by people who made some of the original thief games) as well as polished it up more with an engaging story it could be great.
I feel like something like a mix of the first few assassin creed games mixed with the dishonored games could end up being great. The most fun I had was breaking into a home and finding cool loot as well as secret safes or secret areas where you have to do some stuff in order to open up an area to then find more fun secrets.
We don't really have much of that these days with games. :(
Just a few corrections:
1: The original trilogy does not have the Primal, Freaks, or basically anything from Thief 2014. The reboot is basically a separate continuity without Keepers, Pagans, Hammerites, or most of what was in the original trilogy, and for the sake of clarify, should probably be treated as mostly separate from the rest of the franchise.
2: I could be wrong on this, but i’m fairly certain the main reason why the supernatural elements of the first game were criticized was mostly because the levels focusing kn them tended to put the focus more on the awkward combat than the stealth.
3: It was implied that Deadly Shadows added in the feature where different flooring types made differing amounts of sound. This feature has been in the series since The Dark Project, and while I feel DS’s sound design and propagation system lives up to the originals, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it did add some features. IIRC, they were planning to have a sound-absorbing device in DA, which they never implemented. Might have been cool, though!
PS: Almost forgot: you implied that the reboot added branching paths to the franchise. Deadly Shadows added a hub world, which the reboot also had, but while the original two separated the world into missions, each mission was extremely wide, and quite frankly, impressively large for the time. Some people like to refer to the original Thief Trilogy as “sandbox sneaker” games, for how varied your approach could be, even being practically restricted just to stealth. The reboot, on the other hand had very linear level design for most of the levels, and most branching paths were just two separate paths to the same place, whereas counting even the number of different minimal-backtracking pathways through the vast majority of original Thief trilogy levels would be a mathematical nightmare. I don’t mean to sound mean, I just don’t want people getting the wrong idea and being horribly disappointed D:
Thief 2 is still one of my top 5 games ever.
Same. :) I enjoyed It a ton! Had several Improvements In terms of Maps over The Dark Project.
I dunno why this game got so much hate, the dark and creepy atmosphere was great too imo
It's not the atmosphere that was the problem, it's the pathing. The fun aspect of thief games is you had to figure out how to get to a place yourself, but in the 4th game there were literally set paths that you could go and nothing else. Which made it bad, it was no longer freeroam, it was all pick path A, B or C.
Nothing in this game was good! The gameplay was downright trash, in every sense of the word. And one of the most important aspects, the Sound Design was so abysmal. That even Gameboy games could compete.
Both Charcaters, this version of Garret and his garbage girlfriend who got suck into a Gem. They were so insufferable badly writen and portrayed characters, its ridiculous.
It played like a garbage version of DeusEx. Having "cinematic" knock out scenes and sequences for everything. And all the other crap no one needs. Everything you could do in this game broke immersion.
And whats with the POS Quick Time Events? Especially those when you traverse to the next area, where you have to hammer retardedly a button every time you want to open the Window?
The sheer amount of utterly dumb game design they put into this game, is ludacris. There is not enough Brimstone and Hellfire to bury this game under!
Pretty much the only thing it had going for it, but even that was only a watered down version of the old games and a copy of Dishonored.
As a game, Thief 4 was a passable action-adventure-movie game, a mediocre stealth game and an awful Thief game.
It threw out or botched the implementation of several genre/series defining elements (great shadow, audio and map design) in favour of contemporary streamlined action. It curbed the player's wings and butchered the freedom of exploration that fans loved about the old games, railroading you into following a somewhat clichéd story, forcing the player to constantly wrestle with the game for controls as it oh so desperately tries to jam cutscene after cutscene down their throat.
I'll forever remember when like the very first real level, the Morgue, forced me onto an overhead conveyor so I could access the next chunk of the map. The game literally puts you on rails multiple times, forcing you through points of no-returns, zero backtracking. The max amount of freedom the game offers you is that you can choose how to get to the checkpoint: Path A, the heavily guarded front door; or Path B: a vent or window to the right of the front door. So no freedom, really.
It also threw out the old lore. Well, not really, as it pays homage to and references it, but it's all just the distant past in Thief 4. Which would be an alright direction, if they bothered to create a world that's at least on par with the old setting, but they just opted for a very generic, bland 'shit-hole city' setting instead and didn't bother to come up with good, fantastical, alien dialects, so everyone sounds like a character from 21st century true crime drama.
Yeah fr where’s Thief 2!?
Thief was a good game!!!
Harverc I hated it so much, but honestly there was some decent parts
Harverc indeed
It's one of my favorites this gen, and would have had so much potential moving forward.
Such a shame.
I hope thief 4 is like the 1st
@@jbiel3617 same
The mistake they made in the 4th thief installment was that it was entirely linear in gameplay. Which made it straight up horrible, plus it was pretty short and not much to explore. I'd love to see a proper thief game setup the way the original Assassins Creed franchise was, where you have a giant city, and you can stealth your way through it, instead of just like 3-4 sections which all the other thief games have.
I love the supernatural elements of this universe, the hag in deadly shadows, the statues the zombie infestation the pagan mages all that imagine having this in a new game with a bigger more open world as well, oh my gosh it would've been amazing...
I loved the Thief series. I’d love to see a new title.
same here. no matter what critics say..
still love "deadly Shadows" the most - because it was my first thief game, it was on xbox and it had 3rd person .. thief 4 is very good though .. hope garret returns one day ..
Im still playing Thief 2014 and Deadly shadows and I love both of these games
I actually liked the reboot even though it could have been better. I would like to see more, the setting and level design were very nice
I REALLY loved Thief (PS4). Sneaking around, the awesome gloomy atmosphere, the beautiful treasures, the lock-picking - just the experience of it all. Sure, the story was dry and didn't make much sense, and the enemies were kind of clueless and mindless, but still, the game had good stealth and offers potential for future games.
I remember thinking there would never be another Thief game. And then Deadly Shadows happened. I had the same feeling again after Deadly Shadows, and then they gave us the reboot ten years later. If it takes another ten years, that’s fine. As long as we get another Thief game!
Money happened, and almost all known and loved IPs were remade and changed. It worked for some of them (Doom, Tomb raider), but for most it didnt. Old fans didnt like these new dumbed down iteration of their beloved series from past, and for new fans they were just another mediocre action games. Thats why many of these legendary series died.
I don't know, I enjoyed the reboot.
Story is not great but i really enjoyed the gameplay especially with headphones in a dark room
To be completely honest. I grew up on the old games. Thief 1,2 & 3. Love them to death!
The fourth game was a mixed bag. LOVE the gameplay. Seeing Garretts hands and the actions in first person was superb. The world was good but could have been much better. The game had potential. If a company that cared about the originals made a new game It could be absolute gold. No hand holding and no linear story and levels. I really would love for a new Thief game to come along. It has to happen
Now 2021, and i still wait for 5 part. It's just another Garreth and story.
Garrett*
A new THIEF video game would be great, I've played them all since 1998 :D
I just hope that the developers are faithful to the original THIEF and do not kill the sensation of immersion in the first person view which is one of the most important and distinctive features of this stealth game
Just me personally, I know I haven't played the previous games, but Thief PS4 was one of my favorite game of 2014 and I loved playing it and being meticulous with everything. Thankfully I'm playing it again thanks to the sale that recently happened on PSN, and it's still lovable to me, despite it's flaws like lod streaming being slow and some frame rate slowdown. Basically, I really hope the franchise can return in glorious fashion at some point and be the stealth game people remember it to be
Thief deadly shadows was great. Made me fell in love with medieval and stealth games.
My perspective on life actually changed when I played this in 1998. Loved every installment after. The art direction and vibe of the first ones will never be matched
So true!!!
I just beat this game today and I must say as buggy as some of the parts and cutscenes were this game had me very intrigued, I hope they make a part 2 considering how we were left with a cliff hanger in the end of the most recent one.
Dishonored (2012) was infinitely better than the actual Thief game from 2014
I mean dishonored wasnt the story of thief Corvo was a slick assassin with powers, but dishonored shat all on the face of 2014 thief
@@THEYCANTSTOPME While I do agree that Dishonored pretty much walked all over Thief 2014 but both games are good in their own way. Dishonored is more of an assassin stealth based game whereas Thief is more based on stealing rather than harming. However you can still play Dishonored in the style of Thief where you can steal all loot and remain undetected/no killing but Dishonored isn't exactly built around that playstyle, its more built on carnage. Overall in my opinion, I think both games are great and they are both unique in their own way.
Thanks but it’s clear this video wasn’t written by a Thief player/fan. Garrets voice and the dilution of the thief mechanics (into a clearly fps feel- even if u choose not to engage) as well as the huge world and screen overlays are what brought the fans to turn off the reboot. But mostly it was loosing the original voice talent and feel of that culminated in Thief 2
IKR?!
The problem with Thief (2014) is they tried to modernize it to appeal to the newer audience. It's a big flaw that a lot of reboots fall into, if the original game was really popular and has a large fan base then why changed up the formula to try to appeal to modern gamers?
The Dark Mod is the Thief game that has filled the void for Thief (2014) to carry on the franchise. With more new fan missions being added on a regular basis, it's no surprise that the Thief series as a whole is continuing the legacy with this great mod that originally started with Doom 3, now it's a standalone game in it's own universe separate from the Thief universe, but the setting is still in medieval/steampunk times.
Thief deadly shadows was the best.
Guys if you’ve only played 2014 thief you’re missing out. The original 2 and even 3 are amazing and 100x better than the newest. If you had fun with 2014 thief you’ll be amazed by the first 2. An even better atmosphere, better levels, map design, etc
I love for this franchise to be revived, I loved the steampunk fantasy style.
Thief remind me of dishonored but with a bad story and less thing going with it but it has potential
you do realize that Dishonored was largely inspired by the original Thief pc games, yes? Arkane studios had a few connections from Looking Glass Studios
Rolling Stone that’s true but that doesn’t mean dishonored didn’t do a good job while the latest thief was worse
Thief is a bit different from dishonored. Thief is a hard core stealth game. The other (which I also like) is "Hollywood" stealth game.
The old Thief games definitely has better and more original writing and story than Dishonored. But Dishonored is waaay better than Thief 2014 in every way.
@@gentlesirpancakebottoms6692 sure. But we Thief fans tend to only consider 1, 2 and 3. The reebot was not a bad game but it was bland as hell.
My all-time favorite game franchise. Would love to see another.
it hurt me that they forget about things from deadly shadow, like keepers, hammerites, shamans etc. and while playing i felt like in the box
True. But at least they paid homage to The Keepers.
The original Thief game was absolutely seminal in getting me into stealth gaming and stealth combat options in games, both video and tabletop when I was a teenager. After Thief, I discovered a love of stealth combat and techniques in gaming and in my own life, and I will almost ALWAYS choose to play as a stealth character in a game given a choice, because after Thief, that was just what I gravitated towards.
Same here, buddy!!! ❤❤❤
I still have my copy of 2014 Thief, the only thing I didn't like about it was the map design and the story. I love stealth games, the Tenchu series is my first love and Splinter Cell is my second, Thief filled that little part of my stealth experience nicely; Sneaking around and taking valuable shit! 😆
@Edward Blodgett In the words of Bender Bending Rodriguez; "🎶I like stealin', I like takin' things!🎶"
Try the originals! They’re super cheap nowadays, and excellent for stealth game fans! :D
@@Aquatj999 Hmmmm... Yes that sounds good! Thanks!
@@RoyG.BivDevoe Of course! Have fun :D
@@Aquatj999 You two are so wholesome.
Thief 1 + 2 + Unreal Engine 5 = Thief 5, FTW
I personally loved the reboot hope they make new titles
I downloaded Thief 3 last week to relive my teens and after 4 hours, promptly turned it off. For the time, it was great, but it has not aged well as I hoped and despite knowing I liked it at the time, its best to stay a memory.
Thief 2014 on the other hand I recall playing, hating the city transitions, loading screens, but a few standout moments. I also recalled loving how physical the game was. 2014 Thief was not bad, just not a Thief Thief game cult fans wanted and thats it. It was a saddly rushed game, caught in the trend cycle set by Assassins Creed, shadowed by Dishonored and limited by the consoles.
On PC, it still looks good, what was good before is still good now and I would like to play another game like this
I was a fan of Thief, Thief 2. Played every mod, like Thief X, Also played the Unreal engine Thief multiplayer mod, and Thief 3, The Doom 3 thief mod, and the last Thief reboot. I enjoyed all of these with their own strength and weakness. I'd still pay for a new Thief game.
Thief 4 was too realistic and simply awesome
For me, Thief 4 moved away from classic stealth, or "grind" stealth as I like to call it, and pivited more toward "action" stealth.
If there’s ever a Thief 5, I want 3 things from it:
1. Going to locations OUTSIDE the City, like Blackbrook.
2. More connections between the old games and the new ones.
no more load screen when move to difference location and have fast travel like TW3. Also map of the city.
And the third?
@@GuyTrea I forgot lol
I loved the concept of the original thief. Before 3 million stealth games followed it...
The original and second still beats all of them lmao.
Ah yes...Thief. Spent many nights (and days) sneaking through poorly lit corridors, houses, mansions, prisons, submarines (yep), tree houses, graveyards, docks, and pretty much everywhere else, lol. I got hooked on T2: The Metal Age and went back and played Gold.
Then...I discovered...mods. So then I spent many days and nights in Dromed making my own maps and playing other people's maps. I played Shadows and T4 but never finished them. Those are on my To Do list though.
We can thank Thief for Dishonored and we can also thank Thief for The Dark Mod (which I'm surprised didn't make an appearance in this video). Anyway...for those that like mods and Thief...I suggest you check out The Dark Mod@
www.thedarkmod.com/main/
There are many, many missions to play ranging from entire story arc multilevel missions to short but tough missions. The folks there are constantly updating TDM and new missions are still being released. The community is still there...just not as big as it once was.
The last Thief was good gameplay wise, but they really needed a compelling story, good voice actors, more dialogue, and NPCs to make the city feel alive and suck in your attention. The city felt dead and the story was just fumbled along most of the way, especially the end. I did absolutely love the asylum/mansion mission though.
I liked Thief 2014...
Played all of Thief's franchise release from 1998 to 2014. After Playing Metro Exodus and CONTROL, ..I find my self playing Thief 4 again on my MSI GS75 ultra thin laptop. Graphics is awesome for a 2014 Thief game. Though I do prefer the 3rd person just like Thief Deadly Shadows.
Thief Deadly Shadows was great, kept hoping Xbox would make it bc, but they've stopped without it.
Idk why tbh but i finished thief deadly shadows 3 times while this new one only once. Its a huge diference between 2000 and 2014 but i still fell the need to play deadly shadows rather than the new thief.... tho the new thief was good but not like the 3rd one... that was.... unique and gorgeous
We need a final Thief game and , yes, it would be good if memebers of the original team would work making it. In my imagination I would call it "The final job" and I have an initial plot for it. Garret is getting old and he is receiving one final job before retiring, but he refuses the offer taking into account the risk. Later his daughter disappears without a trace and the only lead he has takes straight to the last job offer before retiring he just refused. He goes back and takes the job. From this point on he is sucked into the whirpool of the Thief world. The Mechanists make a come back, Karas who actually faked his death, want to take the scene and teach a lesson to those who conspired against him in the past. The Hammerites feel the danger that a Mechanists come back will pose , so they pepare to fight for their supremacy. The keepers , who have a new leader and new daring goals want to take advantage of the situation and get a piece of the action. Also the Pagans are not yet totally extinc, they ally with Garret this time in his quest. The sheriff who always had a grudge against Garret wants this time, seizing the opportunity, to put him down for good. Anyone is after Garret and anyone wants a piece of the action. (it would spice the action if a new party will raise among wing the old ones)
For all those interested in the franchise, please try out the originals. They might not have modern graphics like the reboot, but their atmosphere, story, open (yet surprisingly not that hard to navigate) level design, and solidly deep, yet easy to grasp stealth make them completely worth their currently cheap price. My opinion is subjective, as is everyone's, but please don’t assume that older means worse. After all, I don’t think most people would say that Ride to Hell:Retribution is better than Super Mario Bros, right? Yeah? D:
Newer tech creates potential for better games, but the content of the game is what matters, and thus it’s entirely possible for some older games to be superior to newer games. If you liked the reboot, you can check out the old games for a fraction of the price! You might really enjoy it :D
I kind of liked Thief on the PS3. My only problem was the game felt short.
The ending was the worst. I thought there would be an escape sequence at least, but instead it cut straight to the ending and that's it.
Honestly it felt like half a game. The gameplay was great, but cut short of a full game experience.
I agree the ending and the final fight was . . . odd.
I remember last century’s thief in my younger years, a very fortunate find which became one of my fav games ever
They need to reboot it like they did God of War. First three were amazing. The last was just ok. The concept of these games are unique and like no other game, even dishonored is quite a bit different. If the game was good, it would have a huge following.
Thank you for the video. I installed the first thief game several years ago because it was recommended to me and played it for like 5 minutes before I noped it off of my computer. I started playing the last one this week and I loved it especially after chapter 2 when I started to understand what`s up. HOWEVER, There are few things that I hated especially after playing other stealth games;
1- I did not appreciate that when you load a save, the NPCs bug or something. They abandon their original routes and they leave you with the hard decision of not completing missions on ghost mode. another one is when you`re trying to climb and the game just wont do it even though you`ve done it before at that same spot which can lead you to being detected.
2- it`s very hard to control the speed with the controllers especially if you`re trying to go REALLY slow or catch up to enemies in sneak mode.
3- The saving system: I wish we could just pick a save slot and replay from whenever. The game only limits your options to 3 saves, manual , checkpoint and the start of the chapter.
4- Chapter 5 is by far my least favourite. I hope they include a disclaimer if they`re willing to go down that road in the future.
Conclusion: I felt like the franchise was not`t done experimenting with this entry either to feel the market or whatever. There`s a little bit of everything. Sometimes it`s exciting, other times it`s really confusing and overwhelming. So will I play it again? Yes. Will I be making this rant in my head? Also yes!
Thief is not dead it lives in our hearts!
Thief The Dark Project and Thief II The Metal Age were hugely immersive stealth games that awarded patience and exploration. Unfortunately, most game companies now assume players do not have the same patience that PC gamers were willing to give. Also, many game developers today simply do not have the same vision and passion that Looking Glass Studios had. LGS was a small studio whose vision did not get lost in the big corporate grind which is typical today.
What I find fascinating is that I find the Thief games to be particularly fast stealth games, or at least feel like it. While I ghost most of the time, and that’s a tad slow, if you’re ok with first alerts, and especially with blackjacking, you can speedily sneak through the thief games faster than I feel you can in most stealth games, and I kinda love that. Even when i’m waiting, i’m actively waiting by listening and actively charting enemy positions with my ears, so it doesn’t feel like i’m waiting for anything, which is amazing ❤️
@@Aquatj999 a benefit of taking it slow is getting to experience more of the atmospheric sound which heightened the tension. The sounds in the game are the true star.
@@Curt_Randall Fair enough. I guess a better way to state my opinion is that the game truly lets you experience it at your own pace, which means that depending on the speed at which your mind is processing everything, you will always be able to fully experience the game without feeling like the game is rushing you along or stopping you to make you look at something you yourself don't choose to :3
Also that sound propagation tho
Like, if they remaster the original trilogy, trying to recapture the way sound propagates through levels would probably be the hardest part by far.
Thief 3 was great game....
We need a new Thief Game + Ray Tracing, that could be very Cool! :D
They should remake The Dark Project. It was my first Thief and to this day the only game that'll ever steal my heart.
"The fourth game was set centuries before the original ones" *Looks at the secrets referencing the Sneak Thief in Moira Asylum* Unless some time travel happened, the reboot is set after the end of the original trilogy.
#Bring Back Thief
Just you wait till i find you, Taffer,
The "reboot" ruined everything that the only true Thief games had created.
They needed to keep the shadow aspect that they lost with the 2014 game. Same with Splinter Cell Blacklist.
I liked The Dark Project back in the day. I played a good deal of the reboot, dropped it for something else, then never got back around to finishing it. I should probably do that.
Play the second and third game instead. I suppose that if you still have the reboot, you should finish it, but I recommend playing the others first =3
Great games,, very atmospheric
The Thief trilogy is my all time favorite, and will remain so. One of the best thing about them was the voice actor of Garrett (Stephen Russell, amazing artist). Even though I couldn’t accept the Thief: Reboot, it still is part of the series. I wish someone would pick it up and make a novel out of it (as it was done for Dishonored; a good game too). I particularly don’t care for live actions, they are particularly destructive to my imagination. So I’m not looking forward to any thief movie.
We need thief 5
I loved the Thief reboot but I underatand why it was criticized. The rework of game mechanics made it very different from the original and it felt more fps than adventure, whether your preferred combat or not. With a few more tweaks to the system, they could really bring a beloved series back from the brink and introduce plenty of new gamers to the franchise. More stealth games please!
If you enjoyed old thief games i would suggest downloading the dark mod, its standalone game with different missions and such.
I watched this video because I absolutely LOVE Thief. I play the latest game on my XBox 360 And I am really upset since it's been already 5 YEARS since the latest game came. But since the previous one came out in 2004, and the latest came out in 2014, I think we will need to wait another good 10 years for a new game, and if lucky, even less.
Try the first twoooooooo, they’re super cheap! They don’t have hub worlds, but with how open the levels are, it’s easy to forget that! Plus more Deadly Shadows Garrett, and some backstory for Deadly Shadows :3
You all are missing the point of the Thief 1, Gold and Thief 2 - the ROPE ARROWS.... we didn`t have open world but the transversal was one of a kind!
I'd love a new Thief game
They need to release a new one man
I miss Theif
me too
Still have it and still haven’t beat it since I got it when It came out I have a bad habit for not finishing games like Witcher 3 amongst others
Thief 4 reboot was very lackluster. The City architecture was fine, but the loading zones sucked. Also, the map was extremely confusing to follow. I want Witcher 3 Novigrad-sized cities to loot and plunder, without loading zones.
Cammondos deserves this kinda analysis !
I loved each thief game
I loved the 2014 release
thief brought revolution for graphics
Loved this game. Wish they’d develop more
What a shame to leave this goldmine (if done well) abandoned
Dear Developers!! Thief is a Great, unique and awesome game and We Want Another!!! Remake all the old ones or make new ones but this great game needs to be revived! If the pc players don't want it then definitely make it for Xbox Series X and other consoles if ya want but we need another Thief game. I loved that remake gameplay and was left wanting more! We've been waiting for over 8 years now. 💯🙏🤞 and keep the supernatural and mysterious feel.
I keep going back to the ps4 theif game.
THERES 4!?! WHAT THE SHIT
we need a new thief i really loved that game
I loved ``Thief - Deadly Shadows´´, but stemming from fantasy roleplay, I had more sympathies for STYX. Also: I am ex-homeless and really paid for Thief 4, only to later learn I must download it from STEAM. Back then, with a 64kbit/s max connection (around 14 days of downloading). 🤕 ``Don't blame me, I am merely another Taffer!´´
Imagine deadly shadows remake made by People Who worked on dishonored. IT would be epic.
i just repurchased this for ps4 for $5. I really like
I cut my gaming teeth on this series and Hitman. I really hope we get more Thief down the road.
I was curious why no one has tried to replicate this game series. I mean the stealth aspects are obviously stuffed into other games these days but I can't think of any of games that are clones of thief. I absolutely love the first two games, even though some levels are absolutely stupid, I still love the games to death. The reboot was.........okay. I just want more of the early games, it can even be in the same engine and graphics from back then lol I think that's part of why I enjoyed them so much though, I tend to like older engines and graphics, even though new graphics are very very enticing.
If you want a Thief clone I’d recommend The Dark Mod
I hope another company buys the thief series and continues with a sequel with as much of the original development team like Warner Brothers bought the hitman series and hitman 2 was made along with the publish of the hitman collection remaster
Thief 2014 is the best and most polished thief game. It has great gameplay, great level design, great storyline, great weapon system. People just can't accept the game chang that's it.
it got better is what happened. imo