9 London System Traps

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  • @HangingPawns
    @HangingPawns  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Here's a great tool for learning openings: chessbook.com/hanging-pawns
    Chessbook allows you to import and practice your repertoire. It focuses on moves people actually play as well as your mistakes. Connect it to your lichess or chess com accounts to correct the biggest gaps in your repertoire!

  • @awenewen
    @awenewen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    I 99.9999% love you stjepan - yep the 0.00001 is helping more London players!!!

    • @awenewen
      @awenewen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      but I suppose they are people too

    • @مهدیرفیعزاده-ح2ف
      @مهدیرفیعزاده-ح2ف 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      OK but what are you gonna do?
      You can't defeat us after this video:)

    • @fis1ks752
      @fis1ks752 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      London players are not people

    • @cogybear
      @cogybear 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      What about the other 0.00009%? 😂

    • @gotaro69
      @gotaro69 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fis1ks752 😂😂

  • @feiny9361
    @feiny9361 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So glad this showed up in my recommended! Great video, here’s a new sub!

  • @guydavis1635
    @guydavis1635 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks for the great content! I have learnt a heap from your London series.
    I was looking with the engine and it seems like at 28.42 after d6 in the f7 trap, black actually isn't too bad after white plays dxc5 if they strike with e5 instead of recapturing immediately.
    Also, looks like Bosiočić may have fared slightly better if at 13.19, he had played Qxd1 first, then f5.

  • @MarkDenovich
    @MarkDenovich 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love your videos, this one especially. Put my wife to sleep like a light switch. She gets some rest, but won’t know what’s coming when I play the London.

  • @BusterofGlitch
    @BusterofGlitch 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I watched your video on zwischenzug and I loved it. I always go London System so I also loved this video. 2/2 videos of yours that I've absolutely loved, thank you so much!!

  • @JuanIgnacioLX
    @JuanIgnacioLX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you so much! I'm a London player and these traps are just great!!! Your introduction video also helped me realize mistakes that I was doing. Thank youuuu!!!

  • @zhaneshirkey6788
    @zhaneshirkey6788 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Every video you present to us is absolutely top tier. Thank you for all of your hard work!!

  • @Lord7979
    @Lord7979 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    My rating has fallen like 200 points in the last month or so online after these last couple videos maybe I'll switch to the London (I've always played e4) and find better success.
    Really like the content as always Stjepan!

    • @sethmachakos9926
      @sethmachakos9926 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      you might not be losing because of the opening. Just saying

    • @Cohenchess
      @Cohenchess 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      usually when i drop rating its just because im tilted because i keep losing not because of the opening

    • @Lord7979
      @Lord7979 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sethmachakos9926 ofc its not only due to the opening but a change can help. Already had more success today than in recent memory.

    • @faizpv8647
      @faizpv8647 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh I lose 200 everyday and gain 200. I am a hard stuck 800-1000.

  • @karlbe8414
    @karlbe8414 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've just started with the London system, but my best chess buddy keeps Fianchettoing his bishop on the King's side . I haven't seen videos showing the best line of attack for that situation. Good stuff, I am starting to like the London!

  • @johnhardin3348
    @johnhardin3348 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video! Ideas are nicely explained and I like the reiteration of the theme of london to drive the point home

  • @Trephining
    @Trephining 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Stjepan has become my favorite superhero.

  • @santiagoporcell4148
    @santiagoporcell4148 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing video as always thanks for uploading

  • @darryljones7603
    @darryljones7603 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very instructive video!!! Thanks!!!

  • @chrisstrong8429
    @chrisstrong8429 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is an excellent video. So clear and logical. Thank you

  • @frankyfantasticmedia9718
    @frankyfantasticmedia9718 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’m sorry, I’m a beginner, and many times you say black resigns but I don’t get why. I can’t see now forward than 2 moves at the time 😭

  • @yakonlap
    @yakonlap 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You doin great work brother , thankyou , really instructive

  • @subashmilton23
    @subashmilton23 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent, Thank you for sharing

  • @josephsalmonte4995
    @josephsalmonte4995 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I appreciate the no nonsense approach 👍

  • @goms88urzbu89
    @goms88urzbu89 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Congratulations 🎊 👏 💐 🥳 🎊 👏 💐 🥳 🎊 👏 💐 🥳 🎊 👏 💐 🥳 🎊 stejpan

  • @ninjamitcherz
    @ninjamitcherz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Would love if you made a lichess study with all of these in them!

    • @HangingPawns
      @HangingPawns  3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I have. But it's available ob my patreon feed only.

    • @ninjamitcherz
      @ninjamitcherz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@HangingPawns Thanks. Now I've just become one of your patrons!

    • @HangingPawns
      @HangingPawns  3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@ninjamitcherz Thank you:) i just wanted to answer though. Didn't mean it as a sales pitch.

    • @123arseniy
      @123arseniy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@HangingPawns do u have other opening studies for patrons as well? I even tried to do some on my own based on your brilliant videos

    • @salad7533
      @salad7533 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HangingPawns it should be a sales pitch. It sells to be honest

  • @Whitek80
    @Whitek80 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really good. Thanks. That's amazing job

  • @raba4998
    @raba4998 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks man great video

  • @fabricer.9426
    @fabricer.9426 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent summary! 🤩

  • @fxgallo
    @fxgallo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excellent video. Thanks for the clear and logical explanations. One of my favorite channels.

  • @winstonsmith5854
    @winstonsmith5854 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow. You have a new HUUUUGE fan. Thank you so much, you MONSTER

  • @exoplanet11
    @exoplanet11 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Appreciated very much!!

  • @dodo28121
    @dodo28121 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your channel. Thank you for your efforts!

  • @AmericanFreakShow
    @AmericanFreakShow 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The thumbnails keep me coming back 😍

  • @alexanderfrost2943
    @alexanderfrost2943 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you and yes these are really helpful.

  • @usualhumanxd353
    @usualhumanxd353 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, HUGE thank you for that!!

  • @Hailmich10
    @Hailmich10 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent Video!!

  • @panagiotischiras6252
    @panagiotischiras6252 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Will you make a reti opening? Wondering because i didnt see it in the E4 playlist

  • @musakhoshnaw1857
    @musakhoshnaw1857 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video many thanks over 50 games i won by your video

  • @theodijkstra7355
    @theodijkstra7355 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks!

  • @zeus1141
    @zeus1141 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'll be darned. I tried the Nb5 idea of the London, the Jovaba trap, and it worked. However my opponent played e5. For which I responded Nf3xe5. He left. Right after watching it on the video so I wouldn't forget it 🤣 first try

  • @daveterra4778
    @daveterra4778 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video man

  • @memessavelifes4561
    @memessavelifes4561 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    excellent video thank you.

  • @threethrushes
    @threethrushes 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is 100 per cent pure gold.

  • @leonardopires9648
    @leonardopires9648 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video!

  • @kuros
    @kuros 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    18:00 after e6: Qa4 Bd6 Ba6! is a great trap

  • @benjaminanderson6709
    @benjaminanderson6709 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you for this great video.

  • @paulknight4450
    @paulknight4450 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you.

  • @nature337
    @nature337 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In my casual work tournament ive been winning with outposting the knight on e5, queen to f3, then find a way to bait the f6 pawn away, and then queen attacks f7 with checkmate

    • @urmis4
      @urmis4 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      😊😊😊😊 6:54 6:56 6:56 6:56 6:56

  • @borhenlakhoua2625
    @borhenlakhoua2625 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Hanging Pawns, video at 4:19, Ke4 and Re1, I don't see it over whelming, would you elaborate please.

  • @sanjeevbjain
    @sanjeevbjain 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    very impressive presentation

  • @dresseurpokemon430
    @dresseurpokemon430 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very cool video. Do you want to make a review of some of the games of the Grand Swiss, and especially endgames ? I think some were very interesting, for example in Firouzja-Howell or in MVL-Shirov (super complicated though). I consider the endgame studies your best videos and they are very original compared to other chess content.

  • @exoplanet11
    @exoplanet11 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks so much for the video. Once I learn those traps I just need to find some grandmasters as opponents :) !

    • @Trephining
      @Trephining 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am not so sure that that is how this works, lololol.

  • @Ben1cinematographer
    @Ben1cinematographer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks alot! you make it very clear and simple. just by watching i jumped 200 spots

  • @1SpudderR
    @1SpudderR ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks....Just keep picking things up!? Thanks again

  • @chess2u
    @chess2u 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good info

  • @wjb-lc5hl
    @wjb-lc5hl ปีที่แล้ว

    As a 1400 I’m trying to learn
    openings. Funny thing is I play a lot of games were they just come straight at you pawns blazing and I have to abandon the opening and fight like hell.

  • @anonymous-od3de
    @anonymous-od3de 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now I’m studying the Vienna system.Can you teach some middle game ideas of it?

    • @Trephining
      @Trephining 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Out of curiosity, did he deviate from what his path was and cover the Vienna for you, or did he maintain continuity?

  • @autfly2792
    @autfly2792 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi,thank you for your work! Is there any chance to make videos for the colle system? Thank you very much!

    • @HangingPawns
      @HangingPawns  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Coming up in a few days:)

  • @ironlionzion1380
    @ironlionzion1380 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So much to memorize 😄

  • @chriswolff1141
    @chriswolff1141 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    at 16:36, after knight to G5, could black play Queen D3, defending the H7 mate, and next move play Queen G6. Still losing but prevents the mate?

  • @tywilschut8249
    @tywilschut8249 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Could you possibly do a short series on English-specific openings? I know a lot of them transpose to D4, but some C4 specific openings (Botvinnik system, Carls System, Kings Indian Attack, etc.). I have a player at my club who only plays C4 openings and need some help. You could maybe even add to the dubious series with the Jaenisch gambit, though I think tis even worse than the Latvian.

    • @HangingPawns
      @HangingPawns  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I am working on a long English series.

    • @tywilschut8249
      @tywilschut8249 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@HangingPawns Holy $%!# you responded! Thank you so much for the series and thanks for all the content. I don't think I would've made it through quarantine without this channel. And of course chess as well.

    • @Trephining
      @Trephining 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tywilschut8249 See? This is why Stjepan has become my favorite superhero.

  • @frederikvanparys2479
    @frederikvanparys2479 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Stjepan, I love watching your vid's, just wondering in this one if i'm missing something at 4:04 for a direct win with the inbetween Qxf7+ and all forced ... Qh5 ... Qh7 ... Qh8 ... Qxg7 ... Qf7#?

  • @abj136
    @abj136 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    At my school club where people don’t know openings, I caught everybody by 1. d4 d5 Nc3 Nc6 Bf4 Nf6 Nb5 and winning.

  • @docfrayon
    @docfrayon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Playing the London next Saturday against an ELO+300 (at least)... It's going to be interesting :)

    • @docfrayon
      @docfrayon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MGstut Thx !

  • @fh2234
    @fh2234 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You could have said that these traps are for 1400+ rated only because I am playing the London a lot and never in my life (1000 online) have I come to the position where the first trap actually started to be playable lol. Also I find it ilogical to say that the opponents will fall for it if they know London theory up to that point. They might also know more then..

  • @a.m.armstrong8354
    @a.m.armstrong8354 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pass the ammunition! Good stuff!

  • @Kokurorokuko
    @Kokurorokuko 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why don't you have a video on the Vienna opening?

    • @HangingPawns
      @HangingPawns  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I will have one. I have 30 or so videos planned for patching up the e4 series.

    • @Kokurorokuko
      @Kokurorokuko 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HangingPawns Good to hear. I thought you've finished your e4 series already and thus I was suprised there was not a single video on the Vienna.

  • @LightningGunne
    @LightningGunne 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just want to point out that at 3:40, after 14. Bxf7+ Kxf7 15. Qh4+, if Black plays 15...Kg6? which is actually a mistake due to 16. Qg5+ Kh7 17. Qh5+ Kg8 19. Ng5 and White's queen now aims at f7 in addition to the weak h-file, 19...Rd8?? would actually lose by force due to 20. Qxf7+! Kh8 21. Qh5+ Kg8 22. Qh7+ Kf8 23. Qh8+ Kf7 24. Qxg7+ Ke8 25. Qf7#
    So that leaves only 19...Re8 as the right square for the rook -- not that it's easy to defend as Black anyway after the similar sequence of moves 20. Qxf7+! Kh8 21. Qh5+ Kg8 22. Qh7+ Kf8 23. Qh8+ Kf7 24. Qxg7+ Kd8 25. Rd1+ (not 25. 0-0-0+) etc.
    But yeah, it kinda does matter.

  • @DunkeyKonga
    @DunkeyKonga 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 8:07 can't black go pawn b5, threatening white's queen, instead of retreating the bishop?

  • @jdrodrigues7
    @jdrodrigues7 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 16:37, Black doesn’t “have to move the Rook otherwise it will be Mate” because Qd3 covers h7.

    • @DaliborOkoro
      @DaliborOkoro 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I haven't checked but I assume white has e4 if Qd3 to interpose and then the rook will have to move anyway.

    • @noob78
      @noob78 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, but then he can move pawn to e4, and black has to take with queen, so he will continue to cover h7, but then white can take queen

  • @scharif
    @scharif 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How likely are these traps to work for under 1200 rated?

  • @balto2455
    @balto2455 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:43 incorrect, Bxf2 prevents mate next move xd

  • @jonbudi
    @jonbudi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Terima kasih dari Indonesia

  • @valbarker610
    @valbarker610 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    at 7:17 does Be5 not just immediately trap the queen?

  • @exoplanet11
    @exoplanet11 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks again. That last trap reminded me of the Nimzowitsch quote: "‘The threat is stronger than the execution’."

  • @minnkhant7845
    @minnkhant7845 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:33 how is it mate in2 ? I'm very noob at chess.

  • @user-lp9ie7gn5q
    @user-lp9ie7gn5q 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:16 .... lichess does not arrive at the easy win that you claim...... what am I missing?

  • @BusyB07
    @BusyB07 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    16:20 what do you mean g6 loses because you get your piece back? Also, thanks for the traps

    • @BusyB07
      @BusyB07 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      also at 21:00 how is this game over? black is only down one pawn

  • @Fruchtjogurcht
    @Fruchtjogurcht 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    At the chapter ,,Carlsen's Bb5 trap" after ... a6, Bxc6 xc6, Qa4 if black plays Qc7 you will win a pawn after Bxd6 Qxd6, Qa3 Nd7, Nb3.
    This pawn winning trap is recommended by IM Eric Rosen.
    Hope you can enjoy this!

  • @kunallodhi2548
    @kunallodhi2548 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am 900 rated but I still find this useful! Epic

  • @itai0301
    @itai0301 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:40 why is moving the knight to a4 not a good move?

  • @iainengle-roe2861
    @iainengle-roe2861 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know I'm late, but at 17:22 there is a better idea: Qa4, Ba6 wins at least a pawn and Stockfish gives +3.0 with best play for Black.
    Edit: After black plays e6

  • @Jimnicolls
    @Jimnicolls 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 8:29 why not axb5?

  • @transitboy1858
    @transitboy1858 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How does it work if black plays ...c4, shutting out the light square bishop?

    • @EarnestEgregore
      @EarnestEgregore 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This happens in my games a lot… I’m not sure I’ve found a good answer either (to be fair haven’t had much chance to study the positions)… it definitely becomes a thorn in your side lol

    • @Trephining
      @Trephining 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@EarnestEgregore Haven't mucked about with it on the board much because I figured it gets complex fast and my time is better spent learn ing from my favorite superhero, Stjepan, but I imagine somewhere down the line white makes counterplay on the b-file after pushing b3.

  • @fgonzalez1723
    @fgonzalez1723 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    16:16 why wouldn' t black just take the knight with his pawn?

    • @nature337
      @nature337 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I know I'm years late but it hangs queen since our queen is on H5

  • @tannerspurlin1194
    @tannerspurlin1194 ปีที่แล้ว

    at 6:30 white should play rook d7

  • @titusblinus8598
    @titusblinus8598 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    7:53. What about Be5 winning the Queen?

  • @ronnniehazeus
    @ronnniehazeus 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How are these traps affected of Bf5 before e6?

    • @cnydo
      @cnydo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      if blacks play Bf5 then u should just play like normal

    • @Trephining
      @Trephining 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cnydoNormal. Ok, so you mean I should make a mistake somewhere in moves 14-20, compromise my position, have to give up a weak pawn I created earlier, and enter a losing endgame and go back and forth between playing it out painfully or resigning so I can fire up another or go make a grilled cheese sandwich? The decision usually gets made based on which kind of cheese I have on hand, really.

  • @mensaman55
    @mensaman55 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    need to be more clear......all i hear is: and where is the bishop, knight, castle going to go...and i see all these places, for example at 13:12 the bishop can clearly be taken....but that doesn't happen in the example.....so what if the opponent DOES take the bishop.....we'll never know.....

  • @davidrover3487
    @davidrover3487 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    16:44 can anyone explain me, why this position is so heavily favored for White?

  • @JackMott
    @JackMott 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    every london trap video starts with this position with a pawn on c5 which 0.01% of 900 elo players ever do :(

    • @abj136
      @abj136 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here’s a trap to beat 900 players then: d4 d5 Bf4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nb5 (any move) Nxc7.

  • @xavierincepierre7773
    @xavierincepierre7773 ปีที่แล้ว

    i found alot of people dont play pawn c5 in my games so I cant even do most of these traps

    • @Trephining
      @Trephining 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ask them to play c5 then. Most people are actually pretty nice.

  • @GabrielFonseca11
    @GabrielFonseca11 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hope u have a good day

  • @rafiroston8599
    @rafiroston8599 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why doesn’t the pawn just take the knight on e4?

    • @Trephining
      @Trephining 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This comment illustrates the importance of context.

  • @eagleeyes5583
    @eagleeyes5583 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm 1900 on lichess and I pretty much never even play against the main line. People don't know theory. This video is for masters xd

  • @ateljeayin
    @ateljeayin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    7:10 what about Nd8?

    • @rbrtryn
      @rbrtryn 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      After Bxb7 Nxb7 you get the same position as after Na5

    • @ateljeayin
      @ateljeayin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rbrtryn yes, but its not that clear ... if Qxa7, then Nc5 and maybe Bh4 Qf4

  • @hoffi9949
    @hoffi9949 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ba6 Trap Missing

  • @graveharvester9977
    @graveharvester9977 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    16:20
    what if they captures our knight with d5

    • @aaro9781
      @aaro9781 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      then you take their queen with your queen

    • @graveharvester9977
      @graveharvester9977 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aaro9781 oh thank buddy, me and my untrained eyes😅

    • @aaro9781
      @aaro9781 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@graveharvester9977 no problem mate!

  • @jackgonzales-alexander1104
    @jackgonzales-alexander1104 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was like, ‘his opponent played g6 and he didn’t play Nf6+?!’ Then I realised the King escapes through the knight and as a 1000 Elo blitz player I should probably be listening more than trying to find a better move than the guy playing at 2600…

    • @Trephining
      @Trephining 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is always good exercise to try to find the best moves yourself, even if you then revert to seeing what the higher rated players do.

    • @jackgonzales-alexander1104
      @jackgonzales-alexander1104 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Trephining to be honest, I don’t think I’m built for chess… I have a higher than average IQ, I’ve studied openings, middle game and end game strategy and yet, still when I play classic i can play around 1400-1600, never seem to improve. I played at the same rating when I just, “knew how to play chess” - as in, I knew what the objective was and the legal moves for each piece. I thought, if I apply myself and study and practice, I can surely only improve… alas, turned out to not be true! Haha

  • @jbtravelssolo7596
    @jbtravelssolo7596 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    22:40 instead of taking with pawn you just check with bishop and when he moves the king you check again on the black file capturing the queen.. that was a stupid example to give and then you only take the pawn....

  • @fightingforcatalonia
    @fightingforcatalonia 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I bet you won't ever cross 2150+ elo. Great channel thou

    • @Piku0055
      @Piku0055 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He's atleast gonna be a master wanna bet?

    • @ninjamitcherz
      @ninjamitcherz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Why so negative?

    • @kevinl1328
      @kevinl1328 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Get a job

    • @user-vh3kj9ri8h
      @user-vh3kj9ri8h 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He may prove you wrong

    • @sepia_tone
      @sepia_tone 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @zepol zerep what's with the negativity?