Missing Craig Kelly. Without Craig and the precedent he set for pro product, contests wins, and his transition into backcountry riding you wouldn't get anyone else on this list, including Jake Burton since Craig was a part of product development and had a top selling board with Burton for multiple seasons
@@ShredSchool1 I watched the video and know saw he was mentioned but didn't have a numbered spot on your "definitive list of the top 10 most influential snowboarders of all time" so I wouldn't say this is a definitive top 10 list but as other commenters have noted, more a of a list of top ten from your time. Could help to change the video title to "Top 10 Most Influential Snowboarders of My Time" to give some insight to your audience on where your snowboard influences come from and not have multiple comments say the list is missing certain riders
Craig Kelly transitioned from planet Earth and life by dying in the backcountry. Hundreds or possibly thousands have had the same sad fate. So many unprepared, irresponsible idiots go into the back country when they have no business being there.
I want to throw in Danny Kass as an honorable mention… Mad style, created an entire scene with the Grenade era, and if it weren’t for Shaun White he’d have 2 Olympic Gold Medals.
I wanted Danny Kass to be in here, definitely had a huge impact and created his own little subculture. If I remember he pioneered a lot of the back to back spin combos in the pipe, first to do back to back 1080s in comp. The Grenade movies stand the test of time. Great add th-cam.com/video/js11ew5hHvY/w-d-xo.html
Craig Kelly #1 from first signature model board, to juicy fruit commercial to transworld magazine to opening the door to professional backcountry! He put snowboarding on the map! The true godfather of snowboarding!
I can tell you grew up getting into snowboarding around the same time as me. While I don’t love the list I understand it. For me, Terje was the GOAT, most influential on the sport when he dissed the Olympics. Showed riders they didn’t need to do contests and bow down to skiers. For my own personal style and influence it was Travis Parker. And the most influential of my time was probably Jamie Lynn. Best methods in the game and his cab spins and rodeos were all I wanted to learn.
Strongly disagree with any list that forgets Craig Kelly or Jaime Lynn. No one is a GOAT of art, they are merely masters of a style in a culture full of progression.
Yep. Could rip everything and transitioned skate to snow with wtyle. Poke king. Terje for effortless style. Jones for introducing backcountry and split boarding. Palmer for being palmer.
Kelly and Terje being left off are ridiculous. Kelly won multiple world champs when you had to do all events. He was also the first guy to transition to the Jeremy Jones backcountry type rider of today. Terje was the best freestyle rider for a good 5 years and always had the most anticipated parts.
I mean, any list is going to have debate but this is pretty comprehensive and fair. I’d just say Zeb Powell, Ayumu Hirano, and Rene Rinnekangas have honorable mentions
I'm born in 1981 in France. So many name from others countries I can refer as legend or GOAT or inspiring rider for me so as a bloody frenchie I will do a french list... Pioneer : REGIS ROLLAND and SERGE DUPRAZ FRENCH GOAT : MATHIEU CREPEL who won the 30th Mount Baker Banked Slalom on a swallow and some other stuff before. Inspiring rider : MARCO SIFFREDI first to ride Everest summit in early 2000 and he open severals alpine ride in Chamonix in late 90's. He died during is second attempt on the Everest when he start his descend of the Hornbein couloir.
Very subjective…. Guess it has to be You seem to be coming at it as a park / contest guy Not so much my jam, so mine are different 1. Jake Burton / Tom Sims- godfathers 2. Craig Kelly - The legend that inspired all that came after him ….. RIP 3. Shaun White - His record speaks for itself, even if he kind of a douche now 4. Terje Haakonsen - Took Craig’s torch and is a legend 5. Jeremy Jones - Big mountain and spiltboard pioneer 6. Tom Bunrt - First Decent master. Cordova Peak might have been the single most influential line ever filmed 7. The Hatchett Brothers - Pioneered big mountain ridding and filming 8. Travis Rice - Probably should be higher on the list and who knows what he will do next 9. Johan Olofsson - just watch TB5 10. Noah Salesnek - my personal favorite style …. RIP Should be on the list but not enough room - Terry Kidwell, Jamie Lynn, Jeff Brushie, Victoria Jealous, Shawn Farmer, Kelly Clark, Tara Dakides, Shaun Palmer, Bryan Iguchi, and Kevin Jones
Im born 1987 and here is my list: 1. Nicolas Müller 2. Gigi Rüf 3. Wolfgang "Wolle" Nyvelt 4. John Jackson 5. Frederik Kalbermatten 6. Romain De Marchi 7. Travis Rice 8. Danny Davis 9. MFM 10. Victor de Le Rue
Peter Line for me the best. In my top Jason Brown, Jamie Lynn, JP Walker (in fact all Forum8), Terje, Tara Dakides, Jess Kimura, Halldor Helgason, Scott Stevens, Xavier de Le Rue
Hey Ed, I'm a younger guy, and I find it really hard to get to know all the older names from snowboarding. I find it even harder to find some of the og snowboard films you always talk about. Since you know so much about the history of the sport, would you consider making a series about the history of snowboarding, where you talk about different riders, and all the things they did for snowboarding. I'm 17 and for me, I'd say Shaun White is the goat, Travis rice is the most influential, and my inspiration is Arthur Longo (his SHE series is seriously amazing to watch!).
Arthur Longo is so good. This is a great place to start, some epic movies from Mack Dawg Productions (MDP) th-cam.com/channels/2FxTpWRO_HOEe_cR_cfMWA.html Definitely will look in to making more videos about the history
I agree the "all time" part of your title is misleading as this is your top ten from your era or newer as you mentioned. For me number one and two will always be Jake Burton and Tom Sims or Tom Sims and Jake Burton... they both were pivotal at the beginning and laid the foundations for pretty much the entire industry. For me personally it will always be Terje. His Transworld photo where he is literally flying two pages above the crowd is still one of the craziest action sports moments I have ever seen it looked impossible but not to Terje lol.
@ShredSchool1 man that's really hard to decide but I'll give it a go. I actually ended up having 3 from your list too so 🙃. This isn't the exact order but, here we go 1. Craig Kelly, 2. Noah Salasnek, 3. Kevin Jones, 4. Barrett Christy, 5. Devun Walsh, 6. Terje, 7. Big Mtn. Jeremy Jones, 8. Shaun White, 9. Kelly Clark, 10. Travis Rice. I would put Jake Burton, or Tom Sims on it, but I don't think they were pro snowboarders. Peter Line is definitely up there too. This is a very hard list to put together though, so I shouldn't have laughed at your pick's.
It is really hard as I think a lot of it really depends on when and where you came up. Like I’m from Salt Lake City and grew up snowboarding in the late 90’s/early 2000’s and so I got most of my influence from the pro’s that lived locally. People like JP, Jeremy Jones, Mikey Leblanc, Bjorn Liens, Mitch Nelson, etc. because I got to actually see them riding Brighton or I’d run into them and meet them at skate/snow shops. Which just ultimately led both the M3 and Forum teams as a whole becoming hugely influential on me. I definitely agree with your sentiment on big mountain Jeremy Jones though cause you wouldn’t have all the crazy Alaska stuff being done if it wasn’t for him really exposing the world to it.
You are saying "all time" but mean your time. Which is fine, but like you are saying already in the video, with the best of all time Graig Kelly and Terje can't miss. And personally I would have Travis Rice and Shaun White a little higher on the list.
The moment you left off Craig Kelly and Terje you lost 100% respect and credibility. That’s like saying wilt chamberlain and Michael Jordan didn’t change the game of basketball.
You were right! This was amazing! And how amazing was the Forum team?? Soooo many Oakley A Frames.... I don't know about greatest rider.... Fav from my generation, probably a tie between Kevin Jones [edit, I put the wrong one down], Devun Walsh, and Peter Line Person who gets me most hyped to ride is Longo and Torgmo, really just that whole SHE series. Or anybody with a name ending in "o" apparently.... Zoe Sadowski Sanat (I'm sure I misspelled that) and Travis Rice are always amazing too. Travis Rice makes me want to move to Jackson Hole and get a job as a bartender or liftie.
@@ShredSchool1lol I love how you just basically put JP & Jeremy Jones as one person on your list. They really are one of the great dynamic duo’s of snowboarding and you really can’t mention one’s name without mentioning the other’s. They really were instrumental in getting snowboarding to what it is today where kids are tearing up any kind of feature they can.
Shawn white didn't influence anything about snowboarding. Plus he doesnt even like it. Any American at the top of the podium with that many wins would get the same notoriety. Might as well put the x games as one of the most influential snowboarder. It did way more for snowboarding than Shawn white. He's totally clown shoes
Gasser and Kleveland at nine and ten are a little questionable, to say the least. Come on, man. Terje and CK are easily on there ahead of those two. Terje and CK inspired the likes of Rice and Torstein. And no hate, either. Gasser and Kleveland are dope. Just not most influential of all time. Hell, you could even consider someone like Grenier with the ever-widening influence of the Bomb Hole. It's literally an archive of all snowboarding.
Terje and CK are in the video noted as being before my time Women’s snowboarding was literally still being dominated by 720s before Anna Gasser and Kleveland basically invented (popularized) a whole new category Open to hearing your picks!
@ShredSchool1 I know you noted them, but your video title states 'Of All Time', not of your time. What about Victoria Jealouse as an all-timer? If you want a female of your time, then it's JA over AG. You mentioned JA, and she's the pick. Zoi is currently more influential than Gasser as well. A lot of your picks are pure dope though. MFM, JP, KJ, Rice, Horgasm, yessir. And special recognition to Line. Very glad you included him and shoutouts to Mack Dawg. Hard to argue Burton, but what about his rivals like Sims and Barfoot as, say, honorable mentions, since they drove Burton harder than he might have gone without them?
Well every boarder you mentioned in the first minute were the ones I grew up with. But you are missing Palmer, Farmer, Roach, Burt. Ugh White is weak. Stolen tricks is something Americans do!! Hawk with the 900. I guess thank you Travis?? Craig was doing this already but without competition. Yea he boofed it on a guided tour, but is still a goat. Mac Dawg is the shit
Yeah tried to fit all those guys in but it would have made the video too long. Really wanted to get Palmer in there somehow Hard to argue Shaun White has not been "influential" Agree MDP was all time
Palmer was an all out beast! You can tell from back in the landfill quarter pipe days, that being the youngest made him to HAVE to prove himself. Then the world!! Unorthodox in many ways, but that’s why he’s one of the goat’s. Yes the other Shawn was influential too, just not as core.
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in a few years Zeb Powell will be. This is a solid list for sure.
What do you think his biggest contribution has been?
@@ShredSchool1crazy goofy ahhh nuckle hucks lol😂
I love Zeb, but being popular on insta for a few years is nothing compared to what the people on this list have done.
@@PushaDeeNegative iq comment.
Am I the only one hating his style. Dude looks super awkward and lame
Craig Kelly & Terje Haakonsen
classics
I was going to say this. 🤙 we old, lol
Terje…the original Forum team…T. Rice…Zeb Powell…I could go on and on…but your list is on point, so many amazing riders!
Yeah, gonna' hafta' extend that list to include Craig Kelly, Shaun Palmer, Danny Katz. Lindsey Jacobellis. We got a lot of "greats".
1:06 So why is the title 'Top 10 Most Influential Snowboarders of All Time' if you're only picking riders from your era?
Missing Craig Kelly. Without Craig and the precedent he set for pro product, contests wins, and his transition into backcountry riding you wouldn't get anyone else on this list, including Jake Burton since Craig was a part of product development and had a top selling board with Burton for multiple seasons
Craig is in there
@@ShredSchool1 I watched the video and know saw he was mentioned but didn't have a numbered spot on your "definitive list of the top 10 most influential snowboarders of all time" so I wouldn't say this is a definitive top 10 list but as other commenters have noted, more a of a list of top ten from your time. Could help to change the video title to "Top 10 Most Influential Snowboarders of My Time" to give some insight to your audience on where your snowboard influences come from and not have multiple comments say the list is missing certain riders
Craig Kelly transitioned from planet Earth and life by dying in the backcountry. Hundreds or possibly thousands have had the same sad fate. So many unprepared, irresponsible idiots go into the back country when they have no business being there.
I want to throw in Danny Kass as an honorable mention…
Mad style, created an entire scene with the Grenade era, and if it weren’t for Shaun White he’d have 2 Olympic Gold Medals.
I wanted Danny Kass to be in here, definitely had a huge impact and created his own little subculture. If I remember he pioneered a lot of the back to back spin combos in the pipe, first to do back to back 1080s in comp. The Grenade movies stand the test of time. Great add th-cam.com/video/js11ew5hHvY/w-d-xo.html
those Crail grabs too
Craig Kelly #1 from first signature model board, to juicy fruit commercial to transworld magazine to opening the door to professional backcountry! He put snowboarding on the map! The true godfather of snowboarding!
Legend
Solid list, I would add:
Arthur Longo
Kevin Backstrom
Stale Sandbeck
Scott Stevens
Nico Muller
Zeb Powell
I can tell you grew up getting into snowboarding around the same time as me. While I don’t love the list I understand it. For me, Terje was the GOAT, most influential on the sport when he dissed the Olympics. Showed riders they didn’t need to do contests and bow down to skiers. For my own personal style and influence it was Travis Parker. And the most influential of my time was probably Jamie Lynn. Best methods in the game and his cab spins and rodeos were all I wanted to learn.
Travis Parker is one of my personal favorites for sure
Peter Line was my absolute favorite in the 90s early 2000s. Currently, Rene Rinnekangas is my fav. Such style and creativity.
he is one of a kind
Strongly disagree with any list that forgets Craig Kelly or Jaime Lynn. No one is a GOAT of art, they are merely masters of a style in a culture full of progression.
they are in the video
He definitely mentioned them as legends
Nicolas müller, Frederik kalbermatten, Gigi Ruf and... Johan Olofson are hardly missed in your list ;-)
I would like to see more of these guys recently
Gigi Ruf’s parts always wanted to make me snowboard. He was so damn steezy!
When l saw James Bond snowboarding back in 1985, I was all in.
Halldor Helgason?
Definitely a top people's choice pick
As a GenX kid who moved to Tahoe in the 90s, I can proudly say Shaun Palmer is goat. 🐐
Palmer....Off the couch King
Noah Salasnek was all time.
Great pick
Yep. Could rip everything and transitioned skate to snow with wtyle. Poke king.
Terje for effortless style. Jones for introducing backcountry and split boarding. Palmer for being palmer.
Better choice than MFM
Great video! Torstein probably my favorite rider of all time and Afterbang by Robot Food the best movie of all time.
Kelly and Terje being left off are ridiculous. Kelly won multiple world champs when you had to do all events. He was also the first guy to transition to the Jeremy Jones backcountry type rider of today. Terje was the best freestyle rider for a good 5 years and always had the most anticipated parts.
They are both in the intro
I mean, any list is going to have debate but this is pretty comprehensive and fair. I’d just say Zeb Powell, Ayumu Hirano, and Rene Rinnekangas have honorable mentions
I'm born in 1981 in France. So many name from others countries I can refer as legend or GOAT or inspiring rider for me so as a bloody frenchie I will do a french list...
Pioneer : REGIS ROLLAND and SERGE DUPRAZ
FRENCH GOAT : MATHIEU CREPEL who won the 30th Mount Baker Banked Slalom on a swallow and some other stuff before.
Inspiring rider : MARCO SIFFREDI first to ride Everest summit in early 2000 and he open severals alpine ride in Chamonix in late 90's. He died during is second attempt on the Everest when he start his descend of the Hornbein couloir.
Very subjective…. Guess it has to be
You seem to be coming at it as a park / contest guy
Not so much my jam, so mine are different
1. Jake Burton / Tom Sims- godfathers
2. Craig Kelly - The legend that inspired all that came after him ….. RIP
3. Shaun White - His record speaks for itself, even if he kind of a douche now
4. Terje Haakonsen - Took Craig’s torch and is a legend
5. Jeremy Jones - Big mountain and spiltboard pioneer
6. Tom Bunrt - First Decent master. Cordova Peak might have been the single most influential line ever filmed
7. The Hatchett Brothers - Pioneered big mountain ridding and filming
8. Travis Rice - Probably should be higher on the list and who knows what he will do next
9. Johan Olofsson - just watch TB5
10. Noah Salesnek - my personal favorite style …. RIP
Should be on the list but not enough room - Terry Kidwell, Jamie Lynn, Jeff Brushie, Victoria Jealous, Shawn Farmer, Kelly Clark, Tara Dakides, Shaun Palmer, Bryan Iguchi, and Kevin Jones
Im born 1987 and here is my list:
1. Nicolas Müller
2. Gigi Rüf
3. Wolfgang "Wolle" Nyvelt
4. John Jackson
5. Frederik Kalbermatten
6. Romain De Marchi
7. Travis Rice
8. Danny Davis
9. MFM
10. Victor de Le Rue
Great list, style icons
Peter Line for me the best. In my top Jason Brown, Jamie Lynn, JP Walker (in fact all Forum8), Terje, Tara Dakides, Jess Kimura, Halldor Helgason, Scott Stevens, Xavier de Le Rue
Hey Ed, I'm a younger guy, and I find it really hard to get to know all the older names from snowboarding. I find it even harder to find some of the og snowboard films you always talk about. Since you know so much about the history of the sport, would you consider making a series about the history of snowboarding, where you talk about different riders, and all the things they did for snowboarding.
I'm 17 and for me, I'd say Shaun White is the goat, Travis rice is the most influential, and my inspiration is Arthur Longo (his SHE series is seriously amazing to watch!).
Arthur Longo is so good. This is a great place to start, some epic movies from Mack Dawg Productions (MDP) th-cam.com/channels/2FxTpWRO_HOEe_cR_cfMWA.html
Definitely will look in to making more videos about the history
This will help you with the origins
th-cam.com/video/o0nMxxRU6Js/w-d-xo.htmlsi=jTCKj3wHyrunZZYd
thank you both!
You have your opinions grasshopper
I agree the "all time" part of your title is misleading as this is your top ten from your era or newer as you mentioned.
For me number one and two will always be Jake Burton and Tom Sims or Tom Sims and Jake Burton... they both were pivotal at the beginning and laid the foundations for pretty much the entire industry.
For me personally it will always be Terje. His Transworld photo where he is literally flying two pages above the crowd is still one of the craziest action sports moments I have ever seen it looked impossible but not to Terje lol.
Terje is the man
I only agree with 1 dude on this list. The title should be, "My Top 10". 😂😂😂
who's on yours?
@ShredSchool1 man that's really hard to decide but I'll give it a go. I actually ended up having 3 from your list too so 🙃. This isn't the exact order but, here we go 1. Craig Kelly, 2. Noah Salasnek, 3. Kevin Jones, 4. Barrett Christy, 5. Devun Walsh, 6. Terje, 7. Big Mtn. Jeremy Jones, 8. Shaun White, 9. Kelly Clark, 10. Travis Rice. I would put Jake Burton, or Tom Sims on it, but I don't think they were pro snowboarders. Peter Line is definitely up there too. This is a very hard list to put together though, so I shouldn't have laughed at your pick's.
@@jameskonikow3968 harder than it seems! Good call with Kelly Clark, she dominated for a long time
Devun is one of my personal favorites
It is really hard as I think a lot of it really depends on when and where you came up. Like I’m from Salt Lake City and grew up snowboarding in the late 90’s/early 2000’s and so I got most of my influence from the pro’s that lived locally. People like JP, Jeremy Jones, Mikey Leblanc, Bjorn Liens, Mitch Nelson, etc. because I got to actually see them riding Brighton or I’d run into them and meet them at skate/snow shops. Which just ultimately led both the M3 and Forum teams as a whole becoming hugely influential on me.
I definitely agree with your sentiment on big mountain Jeremy Jones though cause you wouldn’t have all the crazy Alaska stuff being done if it wasn’t for him really exposing the world to it.
Jeremy Jones (the other one).
Definitely a legend
Solid list and acknowledgements,, + Mike Ranquet.
good one!
solid list!
Thank you!
Jason Murphy did a 720 over chads gap at the end of the Decade movie in like 97’, long before Travis Rice. Good list though! Well done
Sure it wasn’t pyramid gap? I am going to have to find the clip, let me know if you have it! Would love to see it.
Did not even mention the GOAT of snowboarding
That’s what the comments are for. Who?
Xavier
T Ricky for back country. Marcus Cleveland for comp. There’s so many greats though
so many
What about mcmorris and powell
What has powel done?
@ he is so creative with his tricks he is a inventor 👌🏿
you think zeb would re list somewhere on this list years from now
Could be!
good list, but its impossible to name 10 haha! missing some french talent, De la rue, Longo
Great riders
No Terje?
He’s in the intro
You are saying "all time" but mean your time. Which is fine, but like you are saying already in the video, with the best of all time Graig Kelly and Terje can't miss. And personally I would have Travis Rice and Shaun White a little higher on the list.
List is not in order
Jess Kimura,Travis Parker,Jussi Oksanen,Jeremy Jones,Scott Stevens,Arthur Longo,MFM,Travis Rice,Nicolas Muller,Devun Walsh,Kevin
Backstrom,Blake Paul,Kevin Jones…..
Not into contest riders
Great list
Nicklas Müller for style!
Rene Rinnekangas will be on this list one day
he's so good
haha leaving out Terje, and JL, for MFM...lol
Could be argued that SW ain’t a ‘snowboarder’
Travis Parker
Gotta be top 3 people's choice
Xavier de le Rue?
Honestly I don’t know much about him
The moment you left off Craig Kelly and Terje you lost 100% respect and credibility. That’s like saying wilt chamberlain and Michael Jordan didn’t change the game of basketball.
if only you watched the intro
Danny Davis
So good
You were right! This was amazing! And how amazing was the Forum team??
Soooo many Oakley A Frames....
I don't know about greatest rider....
Fav from my generation, probably a tie between Kevin Jones [edit, I put the wrong one down], Devun Walsh, and Peter Line
Person who gets me most hyped to ride is Longo and Torgmo, really just that whole SHE series. Or anybody with a name ending in "o" apparently....
Zoe Sadowski Sanat (I'm sure I misspelled that) and Travis Rice are always amazing too. Travis Rice makes me want to move to Jackson Hole and get a job as a bartender or liftie.
so good
@@ShredSchool1lol I love how you just basically put JP & Jeremy Jones as one person on your list. They really are one of the great dynamic duo’s of snowboarding and you really can’t mention one’s name without mentioning the other’s. They really were instrumental in getting snowboarding to what it is today where kids are tearing up any kind of feature they can.
BMJJ is my personal 🐐. Bad ass list Ed, well done.
thank you 🙏
Shawn white didn't influence anything about snowboarding. Plus he doesnt even like it. Any American at the top of the podium with that many wins would get the same notoriety. Might as well put the x games as one of the most influential snowboarder. It did way more for snowboarding than Shawn white. He's totally clown shoes
uhh...Terje. Just saying
The Flying Tomato stands unrivaled at the pinnacle.
List is spot on.
Old heads triggered 😂
Knew it would happen 😂
Burton
Craig Kelly
Terje H
Palmer
Salasnek
the rest
I'm sorry, but no ones grandma knows who Shaun White is.
Mine does
Solid list. 🤜🤛
Appreciate it!
Gasser and Kleveland at nine and ten are a little questionable, to say the least. Come on, man. Terje and CK are easily on there ahead of those two. Terje and CK inspired the likes of Rice and Torstein. And no hate, either. Gasser and Kleveland are dope. Just not most influential of all time. Hell, you could even consider someone like Grenier with the ever-widening influence of the Bomb Hole. It's literally an archive of all snowboarding.
Terje and CK are in the video noted as being before my time
Women’s snowboarding was literally still being dominated by 720s before Anna Gasser and Kleveland basically invented (popularized) a whole new category
Open to hearing your picks!
@ShredSchool1 I know you noted them, but your video title states 'Of All Time', not of your time.
What about Victoria Jealouse as an all-timer? If you want a female of your time, then it's JA over AG. You mentioned JA, and she's the pick. Zoi is currently more influential than Gasser as well. A lot of your picks are pure dope though. MFM, JP, KJ, Rice, Horgasm, yessir. And special recognition to Line. Very glad you included him and shoutouts to Mack Dawg. Hard to argue Burton, but what about his rivals like Sims and Barfoot as, say, honorable mentions, since they drove Burton harder than he might have gone without them?
Well every boarder you mentioned in the first minute were the ones I grew up with. But you are missing Palmer, Farmer, Roach, Burt. Ugh White is weak. Stolen tricks is something Americans do!! Hawk with the 900. I guess thank you Travis?? Craig was doing this already but without competition. Yea he boofed it on a guided tour, but is still a goat. Mac Dawg is the shit
Yeah tried to fit all those guys in but it would have made the video too long. Really wanted to get Palmer in there somehow
Hard to argue Shaun White has not been "influential"
Agree MDP was all time
Palmer was an all out beast! You can tell from back in the landfill quarter pipe days, that being the youngest made him to HAVE to prove himself. Then the world!! Unorthodox in many ways, but that’s why he’s one of the goat’s. Yes the other Shawn was influential too, just not as core.