I just went to the Oregon DMV site. They can not do what you called open title. The dealer must get a title in their name as the dealer and then provide you with a proper title signing it over to you with in 25 days. The dealer has not done what they legally must do to sell you that RV and they are lying to you. Go to the DMV Oregon site and look up the dealer title requirements
We're Kevin's neighbors. We're totally off grid. We used our septic install and trash service showing physical address for drivers licenses and rv title and registration. Good luck, Eric. Hope to run into you in Concho.
I work for a dealer in Alabama that sells to people in Texas all the time. But your dealer did really not do what they should’ve. Every state would have that issue. We also have paperwork for every state to fill out for any state the buyer lives in. Buying out of state isn’t an issue, as long as your dealer has the correct paperwork
No, this is the dealer’s fault. Open titles are not how business is done, and they know this. They are using this open title scheme to skirt local regulations. The dealer needs to fix this mess in Oregon and get you a clean title. You should not have to wait a long time for the title since they can do it electronically.
@@MatthewFischer1533 well, first off, my comments were sarcasm, second off who are “you people” are you talking about white people? Are you talking about people that are on TH-cam? What people are you talking about?
We bought our RV in Wisconsin, but we live in Michigan, and wanted it registered in Michigan. They told us no issue. . . and it was a HUGE issue. It took us MONTHS to get proper registration, and even longer to get our plates corrected!
Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that the title should have been changed to the dealership when they acquired the RV. Then the title changed to you when you bought it.
Yes, the title should have shown transfer of ownership to Eric if there is room or another line for a transfer on back of title,, or if not, then I believe there is another legal paper that the dealership can fill in that proves transfer to ERic. Either one of those things should be acceptable.
We had that happen before. The dealer didn’t transfer the title first and the DMV told us that that was illegal. We told them that and they got it fixed really quick. Good luck if that’s the case for you.
Usually (I believe) dealerships dont ever have to actually title a vehicle, maybe unless they are going to use it for their own purposes. From what I have seen, there can be maybe up to 10 dealerships on back of title,, from one to another without actually titling it themselves.
I live in Oregon, and have gotten my registration within 2 weeks, several times, with out of state vehicles too. I would send it back to the dealership, have them apply for the registration and then do it the right way that Texas wants it. Sorry for all the hassle! Hope things get better soon!
Seller listed as OK Trades. Buyer listed as World of RV's. That's NOT an open title. An open title is Seller info only with NO dates or purchase price. They just did a re-assignment of title from one dealer to another You should have a proper Application for title filled out by World Of RV's with all info and signatures/date/sale price/Original Title#.
You seem to be talking about ownership and registration simultaneously. They are separate issues. Fix the ownership in Oregon then register in Texas...
Eric, I don't know if you looked at their reviews but I saw this and I believe its the same dealer. If not let me know. A family affair, World of RVS LLC sold us a 2011 Thor Freedom Elite 24 foot motor home in June of 23. The RV was a fixer, a hole in the roof...Billy, the owner's son said, "well just put some caulking on it and it'll be fine." There were fuse problems, a torn awning, and temperamental door step that worked occasionally. Understanding that we'd have to fix all these things, we got our financing and immediately drove to our mechanic. After many assurances by Billy that the paperwork would be filed appropriately, we found many months later, that when we went to register it, it was still in the old owner's name. When we called the bank, we found they'd received nothing, no bill of sale and no title. It is now eight months later and the bank is considering its next actions against the dealership. The bank has no collateral and we have no ownership! BUYER BEWARE!!!!!!
In Texas, you can also just get a Bonded Title to resolve a title with an issue. Its fairly easy. A bonded title is a type of surety bond that establishes you as the legal owner of your vehicle, even if the original title is unavailable. The police and the DMV accept the bonded title as proof of ownership.
Eric you're land in Arizona If you don't have postal serve will not deliver to your land the post office has to give you a free post office box for your resident You probably can use your trash pickup and electric if you have electric on the property or water delivery but I know for a fact they have to give you a free post office box If they don't deliver it to your land
That’s why when I purchased my truck 14 years ago and received the signed (by seller) did not put my name on it since my state did not require a title to register it and if I ever want to sell it to an out of state buyer in the future, the title is signed.
Eric PLEASE do not install thousands of dollars of upgrades into your RV until you resolve the title issue. Consult an attorney knowledgeable with these issues in which ever state you opt to register the RV.
I am a grandma, bought and sold Many cars in my day. I have never had any issues with DMV and I am in California..It seems as if you have an issue with every registration. Maybe, like Taylor said, it’s you?? BTW, what happened to the Oregon Dealer plate???
Pennsylvania uses the same system as OR, despite having a 6% sales tax. Thanks for the heads up. It would never have occurred to me that a state would expect a dealership to get the title twice for one sale.
Worst case, make them give you a dealer plate until they get it sorted out. Pretty much the only thing that a dealership is required to do by law is to handle title transfers. It's not your fault. It is their fault, even if not intentional.
I bought my Motorhome a couple of years ago, with an Idaho registration, and registered it in Arizona. I am an Oklahoma resident.. I used Laposa South as my address. But made my mailing address to the Oklahoma address In Quartzsite they don't even require emissions inspections. In Phoenix they do require it. I believe I am required to register it in AZ if I live here more than a few months,
One reason Az requires proof of residency is part in due to emissions testing in Phx/Tucson area. Even though you don’t live in that area back in the beginning of the required testing people would get a P O box out of maricopa county and list as their residence to not have to pass the emissions. So Az got smart and tightened the laws to make that harder to do. Many with illegal or altered vehicles would do this to get their vehicle registration. Hope this clears up some of the reasons why
Eric, I think you should ask Oregon dealership to fill out a separate extended title paper, showing them as current owner and transferring vehicle ownership to you. I dont know name of this paper , but it is when there is not enough room on original title or when there are multiple dealers names on original title, there is another form that can be filled out to transfer to a person who is actually registering the vehicle.. Good luck,, hope this problem can be fixed soon.
Hi Eric! Sorry to hear about your struggle to register your rv in Texas. After buying our Bigfoot in Washington, I also was unable to register my rv. My local Tag Agent was the best. Here in Oklahoma we have a form with State of Oklahoma motor vehicles called a Motor Vehicle Power of Attorney. I scanned for one in Texas and saw it. This allowed the prior owner of the rv to sign over the rights of the vehicle so I could fix the title. I had gone to the tag agent in Washington and they filled out the title incorrectly. If the dealership World of rv where you purchase the rv would sign this form for you, this form gives you the Power to be the power of attorney for the rv. After I had this form, I was able to tag our Bigfoot.
I admit that I am at a little loss to understand this. I understand that the title issued in Oregon is not legal in Texas. As I understand from the video is that Texas is asking for a particular form. Why can't you get this form from the office in Texas, and take it to the dealer in Oregon and have them fill it out? Why is the dealer in Oregon refusing to provide Texas with the required information, (completed form)?
North Carolina is the same way. I bought a RV in South Carolina and N.C. wouldn't allow me to register it. I convinced the DMV in S.C. to issue me a title in my name and my N.C. address with the promise I was going straight to the N.C. DMV to switch the title.
Eric I used to be a title clerk in fla, why cant the Oregon dealer reassign on the back of the title stating from that dealer you bought it from to you.??That is also what the reassignment form is which also will or should state the mileage it was sold with to you. The deal should then sign as seller and list your name as buyer.
I literally walked into an Arizona DMV with my NY title and registration to find out what I needed to register in AZ. All I needed was an address… I used a friends…. They gave me a temporary tag right there in the spot. No extra proof needed. Just give it a try… I was shocked they gave it to me!
You can get an address assigned to your land if you go to the local county office the land is located in Arizona and request a "situs address". I own nearly 30 properties in the Snowflake, Concho, Sun Valley areas.
Mr. Eric, I know you said if registered in Oregon, It takes forever to get a title. However, this may be easier in the long run. Of course I don't know if Oregon charges sales tax and if registering in Texas will also involve sales tax. In Arkansas, they came up with a great idea to charge sales tax on all vehicles, new or used. It stinks. In the end it may be easier. Oh well my two cents. Love tour show.
I would of Lost my 💩 shit over this! Thank God I did Buy my Camper Trailer private sale in the state of New Hampshire where I was living and as soon as I got the title which didn’t take long about a week I registered it before I hit the pavement and came out to Arizona and Quartzsite with it this year! Thank God you have Good friends to keep you levelheaded👍
Oregon titles ship quick. All my Oregon vehicles…. I have titles show up in 1 to 2 months max. Our family has never had to wait a long time for titles.
My suggestion: If the TX form is downloadable, have the Dealership download and complete and fly AZ to OR to AZ, temp permit then drive to TX to register? You've probably considered all of this. Be well!
I became an Arizona resident really easy. Went from Missouri to Arizona with no problems in 2016. Got an Arizona drivers license without a home here in Arizona. We were living at Lost Dutchman state park and switched over easily
How do you get around an open title? This is a temporary open title, and the situation can be quickly fixed if: The original seller applies for a duplicate title and signs it again. The buyer applies for a bonded title to transfer the ownership of the vehicle.
In nevada, taking the vehicle to police dept. They can do a Vin inspection and give you document guaranteeing Vin matches vehicle. Perfectly acceptable here. Maybe AZ has similar verification process.
I was going to read all comments b4 comenting but gave up after reading soo many. I live in Hood River Oregon in case you wanna sell, others were right about stopping all work until resolved! I once was buying a car from a so called friend that had a blown engine in high school. When he saw I had removed the engine and had it completely disasembled and ready for rebuild, he gave me my 1st payment back and reposessed it. I wont mention Steve Vances name over 40 yrs later because that would be very petty of me lol.
Sorry you are having so much trouble. I bought an RV in Iowa and they gave me a travel permit and I pulled it (yes a TT) to FL and registered it there no problem as I was a resident of FL. You have just scratched the surface of all the problems people can have in transactions like this. Thanks for another info video on life’s possible pitfalls. Best of luck getting your title soon. Good thing you are back in AZ with friends and kitties.
Thank you for this information. The question I have if it takes you awhile to get the title right will the inspection still be valid, like a time limit for validity?
I bought a dodge charger back when I was 18 and went to do the title and 4 of the vin numbers were listed wrong or backwards. Anyway that had to be backtracked to when and where that happened. Getting my title ended up taking almost 2 years and during that time I drove it with expired tags the whole time. Every cop that pulled me over let me go after hearing the story and being I was legal in every other way.
Oregonian here... before flying out to P town, get with ODOT, call(perhaps website?) and make sure you won't need a VIN verification on the rig since it won't be there physically. Once I had to have a sheriff sign a form verifying a vin on a vehicle years ago that I was bringing in.
I feel your pain- the crap we have to endure. I have a vehicle titled in NV with the address and tried to get insurance from Progressive and they demanded a proof of where the vehicle is garaged. They call it garage proof. They won't take the license address or the title address or the rental agreement or rent receipts. they say it has to be tax document or address on a utility bill. I told them, all utilities are included with rent. I had to cancel the policy and go with other. Progressive has me insured in my RV at that same address but can not insure my car at the same address. WTF over?
The dealer you bought from messed up. Let me explain here in NY. The dealer purchases this RV from the owner. Then puts on their lot to sell. They have the owner sign the title as seller. Plus any paperwork they need sign as seller. Then the dealer leaves buyer blank. So once it sells they put you as buyer. So on the title it appears you bought from the original owner. As a dealer they know forms the seller needs sign. But they don’t put themselves as buyer. Your name is buyer when you purchase it. That is how it should’ve been done
Does your Texas vehicle inspection have to be submitted within a certain time frame to apply for title? Meaning would the State of Texas after so many months of time that goes by since the inspection date, they could ask you to do a re-inspect? Some states I think you have to apply within like 10 days of inspection for plates and title.
check out your state mechanic lien/mechanic title laws/requirements. that's how towing companies and repair shops get legal title to abandon cars/trucks. different states have different requirements/wait times, but it's a way to get a clear title if nothing else works. i've done it in iowa, kansas and virginia. different state, different hoops and hassles, but end up with a clear title.
Go stay with Felix for a bit and have utilities put in your name until such time as you can get the registration done?? If that doesn't make sense, I'm sorry - just looking for a working solution.
Oregon has a dealer reassignment form. If there isn’t room on the back of the title for them the dealer to sign over to you to then that reassignment form is needed along with the title to transfer in any state. All dealerships carry that form from the state it’s is an extension of the original title. The dealer should be able to fill that form out with the vehicle information and with their information and signature sale from and your information upon which you sign it once received sale to. Then that title with that form is then able to be transferred in any state. I worked for a dealer in Minnesota and Wisconsin and that form was given as all titles are open through dealers until actual transfer for customer. Sometimes I would have 4 of those reassignment forms as the vehicle had gone through many dealers.
Eric, keep an eye on your Texas inspection paperwork. I think that you have a certain amount of days to get it registered. I'm not sure, but it might be 30 days. After that you will need to have the RV inspected again before you can register.
I bought a 2016 motor home In Texas and when I went to title it in Kansas they said the Chase o my class c was a 2015 so they changed my title to a 2015 which made me have a year of depreciation imediatly!
I have to be honest and say I can't really blame Texas for taking the position they took. Can you imagine what it would be like if people started showing up with Titles that didn't identify them as the legal owner, and getting vehicles registered in their names anyway? Even you mentioned you had to pause when you saw that the RV was effectively still titled in the dealership's name. My guess is, the dealership being a dealership, they were interested only in getting the RV sold, later issues be damned as they wouldn't be the dealership's issue(s). I have no doubt that fixing the issue will take time. Give it the time it needs and focus on other things and I have no doubt that, ultimately, you'll be fine.
I’m reluctant to post this. Someone else must have already suggested this. But I’ll live dangerously and say this. Can’t you go to OR and change the title to you and get OR plates and title? Granted you MAY HAVE TO RENT A SMALL APT IN OR AND MAYBE BRING A LEASE TO DMV TO SHOW YOUR A RESIDENT. You may also need to change your DL to OR. Then in the future you take the OR title to TX and you change that OR title and your DL back to TX? I can also see you registering and title ing it in OR in a trusted OR friend. Then when he gets title he signs it over to you and you go back to TX with that paperwork? Lastly since your title is likely still on the OR state books as owned by the “seller” in OR you or the dealership cholla loose your title and ask him to apply for a replacement title BUT THEN he list you on that title as the buyer.
get your self a 240 amp alternator you will need an aftermarket alternator to run alll of the electronics and the big 3. even if you dont get a new stereo installed in this rv its still a good idea to beef up the electrical
The dealership should be able to issue a certified bill of sale to you and it would be legal. I have bought out of stale vehicles that went through 3 different dealerships then I bought it. Got it registered easily i had bills of sale.
get an arizona drivers license, show your land tax forms and get a bill from water delivery service, then register vehicles. i don't get why that can't be done,
I did this with a car from upstate New York it was a pain in the A**. I purchased the vehicle and was taking it home to Michigan, however I was driving said vehicle home so I had to go to the dmv in New York and they had to call my insurance company back home then find out what size engine the car had and a bunch of other stuff. It was so frustrating.
One other person mentioned how Blind Views explained how you got back to Arizona from Texas which you so conveniently left out of your very detailed explanation.😂
I live in oregon and yeah you have the be the name on the buyer. Alot of people who flip cars will just leave the buyer open and the date and the car will pass through like 20 people and not be registered for sometimes years until somoene actually wants to keep it so on paper it looks like one transaction
A van I bought in Arizona had to be driven to Nevada, to document, so I could register in another state. It took any liability away to selling dealership. CA does the same thing. Maybe OR doesn’t care…I guess anyone should check with the home state🤷🏼♀️ Where are your car and motorcycle registered. The system knows🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
Just do what I did. Check into A rv park and that is your address now. Get a private mailbox not A po box. Go to DMV Get your Driver's license you give them the RV park that you're staying at and you give them your mailing address and you're a resident. All could be done in 1 hour.
You are proving that nomading is not for dummies. Or the poor. Thanks for sharing all the details of your on going adventures. For those of us land locked in a 9 to 5, your adventure troubles let us get a deep breath of air. And we settle back realizing our daydreams of endless travel take more grit then we thought. Carry on. Truly enjoy your journey.
Eric has switched his Rv's so many times, it is no surprise he is running into some issues, it was only a matter of time. For him as a TH-camr, it is not the end of the world, but for the average person, you better choose the right rig on your first atempt, if you plan on living this lifestyle
You were one of the first channels I ever subscribed to. There were channels that I followed, but never subscribed to except for you :-) I don’t know how many years ago that was, I feel like it was 9 to 10 years ago but it’s been a while
Damn! I’m sure glad I didn’t know all that about Arizona when I moved here over three decades ago and walked in and surrendered my Colorado driver’s license then walked ten feet in the MVD to register my Truck.
Bro.. I bought a car in Scottsdale and I live in WA state. The dealer gave me a temp registrarion to AZ for 6 months to assist with the transfer. Maybe ask OR dealer for the same.
Thank you, Eric, for sharing your experiences with all this. The silver lining of this huge Title Cloud is that your sharing of your experiences is truly helpful to others who may be in a similar situation or anticipating buying an RV outside of their residence state gives them a heads up about things they can expect along the way.💖
Yeah, that Oregon title situation is complicating things, however I still believe you could establish AZ residence pretty quick... I did it with an RV park address... the ADOT did not give me any trouble with that...
I’m not sure if this will be helpful but I am a Texas resident, flew to Arizona to buy an rv for a friend, registered it same day in Arizona so I could drive it home and they shipped title and plates to my home address in Texas. Once the reg was close to expiring with title in hand we registered it in Texas 😊 It was not from a dealer and you have another state involved so challenge is different but the moral of my story is we were able to register in Arizona and be a resident of Texas.
What if you happened to lose the title and had to use your bill of sale as proof of ownership and get a new title with the dealer and your name on the proper spots on the back.... Can that work..??
Eric please stop whining about everything. You have friends that know what to do if you don't in any given situations. Suck it up. You don't need to make rash decisions and although I don't promote going against the law but all you had to do was hit the road and drive home. If you got stopped all you had to do was explain situation. Maybe get a ticket maybe not no big deal. And go to the top at rv dealer and push the issue have it sent overnight. Just handle it. Hate to say it know you don't care but about ready to unsubscribe. You need to be thankful for your blessings and chill out.
I think you just found the worst possible combination of states, I bought my fifth wheel in California registered it in North Carolina. I bought my tongue pull in Alabama and registered it in North Carolina (both using my in-laws address as I live in Hawaii) so it’s definitely doable. It just sounds like Oregon has some crazy weird rule that doesn’t agree with any other state.
for registering in Arazona move your cell phone, dish and insurance to your address then get bills for water and propane being delivered to that address in your name I'm sure that will make the difference for there as for the title see what Arazona has to say about the title at least they will issue temp permits to move it
Your inspection report on the rv only lasts 30 days in Texas I believe, so you’re not able to fly back to finish paperwork, your rv might need another inspection
I was going to ask that same question. A lot of states have limitations on how old the inspection report can be - so, it's definitely something to look into prior to jumping on a plane to fly back to TX.
The lady next door traded her SUV for another at a dealership across the state line. The dealership could never provide 🎉her with the correct title, she couldn't register the vehicle and she got a ticket for driving a vehicle with a fraudulent title. After months of no success she drove to the dealership said she was fed up was contacting a lawyer. They offered her the pick of any car on the lot, she ended up with a low mileage like brand new Merecedes E 350 worth far more than the SUV with a good title. I guess the dealership wanted no legal problems, she came out smelling like a Rose with that deal.
You own property in AZ, you have residential propane delivery, garbage pickup? water delivery, septi system installed- all of those should qualify as "Utilities"
Eric, double check your Texas RV inspection paperwork. I’m from Texas, and while things may have changed with the new Texas inspection law, the inspection paperwork is historically only good for 30 days. For your sake Hoping I hope I am wrong.
Bummer, I suppose you could get a mailbox in AZ then have a bank statement, and phone bill sent there. According to ADOT website just says two documents has an AZ address from a business, or government. That doesn't solve your title issues with the dealer unusual for dealers to pass along a title from the old owner. We do it a lot here in AZ when buying used private party.
You have 33 packages coming from amazon with your name and address on it. I’d save every label to show at DMV to prove residency. If it was good enough for USPS federal agency, hopefully good enough for state DMV
I disagree with your statement about only buying within the State you have established legal residence. We have purchased 6 vehicles from motorcycles, automobiles, and a RV from other States with no issues. Just seems the problem is only with how your dealer and Oregon handles titles.
I bought an RV in Texas and brought it back home to Nebraska. I had to go to a Douglas County DMV that had an inspection station. They checked it all out and I was able to register it without issue. Sorry to hear you are having such issues with it.
I got a Drivers License in Az and got my California issued Title with my Quartzsite po box...I'm a resident, I was asked if I wanted to register to vote.
I never heard that before you first buy a car in a dealer when you get the transfer done completely and get your title under your name the original title now for you then you can register somewhere else because it's already under your name
Open unsigned titles will get you arrested in some states in travel... Oklahoma will also register out of state vehicles, if you get pulled over the officer might wonder why your Oklahoma tag has an out of state address lol,,, been there.
I just went to the Oregon DMV site. They can not do what you called open title. The dealer must get a title in their name as the dealer and then provide you with a proper title signing it over to you with in 25 days. The dealer has not done what they legally must do to sell you that RV and they are lying to you. Go to the DMV Oregon site and look up the dealer title requirements
We're Kevin's neighbors. We're totally off grid. We used our septic install and trash service showing physical address for drivers licenses and rv title and registration. Good luck, Eric. Hope to run into you in Concho.
He doesn’t want to become a AZ resident as he wants to avoid state income tax.
He's GASLIGHTING
Really hoping this all works out soon. At least your back in AZ.
@@pass4pets434 Literally nothing Tator is saying is true.
How CampervanKevin have Az License on His Bigfoot? but it is Eck bigfoot title is O the pabom
I work for a dealer in Alabama that sells to people in Texas all the time. But your dealer did really not do what they should’ve. Every state would have that issue. We also have paperwork for every state to fill out for any state the buyer lives in. Buying out of state isn’t an issue, as long as your dealer has the correct paperwork
The dealer probably didn’t know. They just did business how they normally do.
No, this is the dealer’s fault. Open titles are not how business is done, and they know this. They are using this open title scheme to skirt local regulations. The dealer needs to fix this mess in Oregon and get you a clean title. You should not have to wait a long time for the title since they can do it electronically.
@@PrestonGladd you people are honestly laughable
@@MatthewFischer1533 well, first off, my comments were sarcasm, second off who are “you people” are you talking about white people? Are you talking about people that are on TH-cam? What people are you talking about?
@@PrestonGladd I’m referring to the people that listen to this man, it’s quite laughable. Why bring race into it kiddo?
We bought our RV in Wisconsin, but we live in Michigan, and wanted it registered in Michigan. They told us no issue. . . and it was a HUGE issue. It took us MONTHS to get proper registration, and even longer to get our plates corrected!
Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that the title should have been changed to the dealership when they acquired the RV. Then the title changed to you when you bought it.
Yes, the title should have shown transfer of ownership to Eric if there is room or another line for a transfer on back of title,, or if not, then I believe there is another legal paper that the dealership can fill in that proves transfer to ERic. Either one of those things should be acceptable.
We had that happen before. The dealer didn’t transfer the title first and the DMV told us that that was illegal. We told them that and they got it fixed really quick. Good luck if that’s the case for you.
Sounds like yours may be a different problem though.
Usually (I believe) dealerships dont ever have to actually title a vehicle, maybe unless they are going to use it for their own purposes. From what I have seen, there can be maybe up to 10 dealerships on back of title,, from one to another without actually titling it themselves.
Sounds like a Consignment where the dealer doesn't want to get in the middle other than holding out their hand
I live in Oregon, and have gotten my registration within 2 weeks, several times, with out of state vehicles too. I would send it back to the dealership, have them apply for the registration and then do it the right way that Texas wants it. Sorry for all the hassle! Hope things get better soon!
He has to get a title before he can register it and get a tag. The title is the issue.
Seller listed as OK Trades. Buyer listed as World of RV's. That's NOT an open title. An open title is Seller info only with NO dates or purchase price. They just did a re-assignment of title from one dealer to another You should have a proper Application for title filled out by World Of RV's with all info and signatures/date/sale price/Original Title#.
You seem to be talking about ownership and registration simultaneously. They are separate issues. Fix the ownership in Oregon then register in Texas...
Eric, I don't know if you looked at their reviews but I saw this and I believe its the same dealer. If not let me know.
A family affair, World of RVS LLC sold us a 2011 Thor Freedom Elite 24 foot motor home in June of 23. The RV was a fixer, a hole in the roof...Billy, the owner's son said, "well just put some caulking on it and it'll be fine." There were fuse problems, a torn awning, and temperamental door step that worked occasionally. Understanding that we'd have to fix all these things, we got our financing and immediately drove to our mechanic. After many assurances by Billy that the paperwork would be filed appropriately, we found many months later, that when we went to register it, it was still in the old owner's name. When we called the bank, we found they'd received nothing, no bill of sale and no title. It is now eight months later and the bank is considering its next actions against the dealership. The bank has no collateral and we have no ownership! BUYER BEWARE!!!!!!
In Texas, you can also just get a Bonded Title to resolve a title with an issue. Its fairly easy. A bonded title is a type of surety bond that establishes you as the legal owner of your vehicle, even if the original title is unavailable. The police and the DMV accept the bonded title as proof of ownership.
Where do I go to get a bonded title
What if title was lost...
@@tomday1318Order a duplicate title. Should be ~$10
That was correct many years ago. It’s no longer that simple or I would have done the same three years ago.
Can you get a temporary residence in Oregon and register your RV, then when you get the title re-register in Texas or Arizona....just a thought.
What's a temporary residence?
@@nomadicfanatic one of those UPS store boxes or services like in South dakota.
Eric you're land in Arizona If you don't have postal serve will not deliver to your land the post office has to give you a free post office box for your resident You probably can use your trash pickup and electric if you have electric on the property or water delivery but I know for a fact they have to give you a free post office box If they don't deliver it to your land
That’s why when I purchased my truck 14 years ago and received the signed (by seller) did not put my name on it since my state did not require a title to register it and if I ever want to sell it to an out of state buyer in the future, the title is signed.
Eric PLEASE do not install thousands of dollars of upgrades into your RV until you resolve the title issue. Consult an attorney knowledgeable with these issues in which ever state you opt to register the RV.
I am a grandma, bought and sold Many cars in my day. I have never had any issues with DMV and I am in California..It seems as if you have an issue with every registration. Maybe, like Taylor said, it’s you?? BTW, what happened to the Oregon Dealer plate???
Pennsylvania uses the same system as OR, despite having a 6% sales tax. Thanks for the heads up. It would never have occurred to me that a state would expect a dealership to get the title twice for one sale.
Worst case, make them give you a dealer plate until they get it sorted out. Pretty much the only thing that a dealership is required to do by law is to handle title transfers. It's not your fault. It is their fault, even if not intentional.
I bought my Motorhome a couple of years ago, with an Idaho registration, and registered it in Arizona. I am an Oklahoma resident.. I used Laposa South as my address. But made my mailing address to the Oklahoma address In Quartzsite they don't even require emissions inspections. In Phoenix they do require it. I believe I am required to register it in AZ if I live here more than a few months,
One reason Az requires proof of residency is part in due to emissions testing in Phx/Tucson area. Even though you don’t live in that area back in the beginning of the required testing people would get a P O box out of maricopa county and list as their residence to not have to pass the emissions. So Az got smart and tightened the laws to make that harder to do. Many with illegal or altered vehicles would do this to get their vehicle registration. Hope this clears up some of the reasons why
Eric, I think you should ask Oregon dealership to fill out a separate extended title paper, showing them as current owner and transferring vehicle ownership to you. I dont know name of this paper , but it is when there is not enough room on original title or when there are multiple dealers names on original title, there is another form that can be filled out to transfer to a person who is actually registering the vehicle.. Good luck,, hope this problem can be fixed soon.
Hi Eric! Sorry to hear about your struggle to register your rv in Texas. After buying our Bigfoot in Washington, I also was unable to register my rv. My local Tag Agent was the best. Here in Oklahoma we have a form with State of Oklahoma motor vehicles called a Motor Vehicle Power of Attorney. I scanned for one in Texas and saw it. This allowed the prior owner of the rv to sign over the rights of the vehicle so I could fix the title. I had gone to the tag agent in Washington and they filled out the title incorrectly. If the dealership World of rv where you purchase the rv would sign this form for you, this form gives you the Power to be the power of attorney for the rv. After I had this form, I was able to tag our Bigfoot.
I admit that I am at a little loss to understand this. I understand that the title issued in Oregon is not legal in Texas. As I understand from the video is that Texas is asking for a particular form. Why can't you get this form from the office in Texas, and take it to the dealer in Oregon and have them fill it out? Why is the dealer in Oregon refusing to provide Texas with the required information, (completed form)?
North Carolina is the same way. I bought a RV in South Carolina and N.C. wouldn't allow me to register it. I convinced the DMV in S.C. to issue me a title in my name and my N.C. address with the promise I was going straight to the N.C. DMV to switch the title.
Eric I used to be a title clerk in fla, why cant the Oregon dealer reassign on the back of the title stating from that dealer you bought it from to you.??That is also what the reassignment form is which also will or should state the mileage it was sold with to you. The deal should then sign as seller and list your name as buyer.
I agree. The dealer didn't fill out the form properly in the beginning.
Finally someone saying what I’ve been thinking! 💯 agree!
Why hasn’t he signed it?
I literally walked into an Arizona DMV with my NY title and registration to find out what I needed to register in AZ. All I needed was an address… I used a friends…. They gave me a temporary tag right there in the spot. No extra proof needed. Just give it a try… I was shocked they gave it to me!
Thanks for the update. No open titles for me. Seller has to be owner on title.
You can get an address assigned to your land if you go to the local county office the land is located in Arizona and request a "situs address". I own nearly 30 properties in the Snowflake, Concho, Sun Valley areas.
Do you have any land for sale
Or know anyone who does
I am a 64 year old solo RV er and need a home base
@@carolmaplesden916 At the present time all properties are not for sale.
@@harleydude-xo8pu ok thanks for the response
please keep me in mind if you ever do 🙏
Good warning to us all to really check out what we are getting into with a title. Thanks for sharing.
Mr. Eric, I know you said if registered in Oregon, It takes forever to get a title. However, this may be easier in the long run. Of course I don't know if Oregon charges sales tax and if registering in Texas will also involve sales tax. In Arkansas, they came up with a great idea to charge sales tax on all vehicles, new or used. It stinks.
In the end it may be easier. Oh well my two cents.
Love tour show.
I would of Lost my 💩 shit over this! Thank God I did Buy my Camper Trailer private sale in the state of New Hampshire where I was living and as soon as I got the title which didn’t take long about a week I registered it before I hit the pavement and came out to Arizona and Quartzsite with it this year! Thank God you have Good friends to keep you levelheaded👍
Oregon titles ship quick. All my Oregon vehicles…. I have titles show up in 1 to 2 months max. Our family has never had to wait a long time for titles.
My suggestion: If the TX form is downloadable, have the Dealership download and complete and fly AZ to OR to AZ, temp permit then drive to TX to register?
You've probably considered all of this.
Be well!
I became an Arizona resident really easy. Went from Missouri to Arizona with no problems in 2016. Got an Arizona drivers license without a home here in Arizona. We were living at Lost Dutchman state park and switched over easily
Just a renter, but same thing for me in 08.
Same here in 2021
How do you get around an open title?
This is a temporary open title, and the situation can be quickly fixed if: The original seller applies for a duplicate title and signs it again. The buyer applies for a bonded title to transfer the ownership of the vehicle.
In nevada, taking the vehicle to police dept. They can do a Vin inspection and give you document guaranteeing Vin matches vehicle. Perfectly acceptable here. Maybe AZ has similar verification process.
I was going to read all comments b4 comenting but gave up after reading soo many. I live in Hood River Oregon in case you wanna sell, others were right about stopping all work until resolved! I once was buying a car from a so called friend that had a blown engine in high school. When he saw I had removed the engine and had it completely disasembled and ready for rebuild, he gave me my 1st payment back and reposessed it. I wont mention Steve Vances name over 40 yrs later because that would be very petty of me lol.
Sorry you are having so much trouble. I bought an RV in Iowa and they gave me a travel permit and I pulled it (yes a TT) to FL and registered it there no problem as I was a resident of FL. You have just scratched the surface of all the problems people can have in transactions like this. Thanks for another info video on life’s possible pitfalls. Best of luck getting your title soon. Good thing you are back in AZ with friends and kitties.
Thank you for this information. The question I have if it takes you awhile to get the title right will the inspection still be valid, like a time limit for validity?
so you drove from OR to TX & back to AZ w/o plates..
If you had an " open title in Florida " that would be considered " jumping the title '". Perhaps, that is Texas problem too?
I bought a dodge charger back when I was 18 and went to do the title and 4 of the vin numbers were listed wrong or backwards. Anyway that had to be backtracked to when and where that happened. Getting my title ended up taking almost 2 years and during that time I drove it with expired tags the whole time. Every cop that pulled me over let me go after hearing the story and being I was legal in every other way.
Oregonian here... before flying out to P town, get with ODOT, call(perhaps website?) and make sure you won't need a VIN verification on the rig since it won't be there physically. Once I had to have a sheriff sign a form verifying a vin on a vehicle years ago that I was bringing in.
Still true if you are bringing a vehicle from out of state into Oregon to register has to have vin inspection form done in OR
I feel your pain- the crap we have to endure. I have a vehicle titled in NV with the address and tried to get insurance from Progressive and they demanded a proof of where the vehicle is garaged. They call it garage proof. They won't take the license address or the title address or the rental agreement or rent receipts. they say it has to be tax document or address on a utility bill. I told them, all utilities are included with rent. I had to cancel the policy and go with other. Progressive has me insured in my RV at that same address but can not insure my car at the same address. WTF over?
The dealer you bought from messed up. Let me explain here in NY. The dealer purchases this RV from the owner. Then puts on their lot to sell. They have the owner sign the title as seller. Plus any paperwork they need sign as seller. Then the dealer leaves buyer blank. So once it sells they put you as buyer. So on the title it appears you bought from the original owner. As a dealer they know forms the seller needs sign. But they don’t put themselves as buyer. Your name is buyer when you purchase it. That is how it should’ve been done
Kevin I have bought an RV out of state and used a friends address in that state to register it. Then did the transfer in my home state. No problems.
Does your Texas vehicle inspection have to be submitted within a certain time frame to apply for title? Meaning would the State of Texas after so many months of time that goes by since the inspection date, they could ask you to do a re-inspect? Some states I think you have to apply within like 10 days of inspection for plates and title.
You only need to register to vote in Arizona to become a state resident.
check out your state mechanic lien/mechanic title laws/requirements. that's how towing companies and repair shops get legal title to abandon cars/trucks.
different states have different requirements/wait times, but it's a way to get a clear title if nothing else works. i've done it in iowa, kansas and virginia. different state, different hoops and hassles, but end up with a clear title.
Go stay with Felix for a bit and have utilities put in your name until such time as you can get the registration done?? If that doesn't make sense, I'm sorry - just looking for a working solution.
Oregon has a dealer reassignment form. If there isn’t room on the back of the title for them the dealer to sign over to you to then that reassignment form is needed along with the title to transfer in any state. All dealerships carry that form from the state it’s is an extension of the original title. The dealer should be able to fill that form out with the vehicle information and with their information and signature sale from and your information upon which you sign it once received sale to. Then that title with that form is then able to be transferred in any state. I worked for a dealer in Minnesota and Wisconsin and that form was given as all titles are open through dealers until actual transfer for customer. Sometimes I would have 4 of those reassignment forms as the vehicle had gone through many dealers.
Hopefully your Texas vehicle inspection does not have a time limit on it before you have to register your vehicle.
Eric, keep an eye on your Texas inspection paperwork. I think that you have a certain amount of days to get it registered. I'm not sure, but it might be 30 days. After that you will need to have the RV inspected again before you can register.
I was wondering about that
You are correct i live in Texas.
My inspection on my motorbike to register it here in Arizona was
>>> 30 days😮
I bought a 2016 motor home In Texas and when I went to title it in Kansas they said the Chase o my class c was a 2015 so they changed my title to a 2015 which made me have a year of depreciation imediatly!
I have to be honest and say I can't really blame Texas for taking the position they took. Can you imagine what it would be like if people started showing up with Titles that didn't identify them as the legal owner, and getting vehicles registered in their names anyway? Even you mentioned you had to pause when you saw that the RV was effectively still titled in the dealership's name.
My guess is, the dealership being a dealership, they were interested only in getting the RV sold, later issues be damned as they wouldn't be the dealership's issue(s).
I have no doubt that fixing the issue will take time. Give it the time it needs and focus on other things and I have no doubt that, ultimately, you'll be fine.
It absolutely does make you a resident if you buy property in most states bud.
Yup... That makes total sense. It would be the same here in Massachusetts.
I’m reluctant to post this. Someone else must have already suggested this. But I’ll live dangerously and say this.
Can’t you go to OR and change the title to you and get OR plates and title? Granted you MAY HAVE TO RENT A SMALL APT IN OR AND MAYBE BRING A LEASE TO DMV TO SHOW YOUR A RESIDENT. You may also need to change your DL to OR. Then in the future you take the OR title to TX and you change that OR title and your DL back to TX?
I can also see you registering and title ing it in OR in a trusted OR friend. Then when he gets title he signs it over to you and you go back to TX with that paperwork?
Lastly since your title is likely still on the OR state books as owned by the “seller” in OR you or the dealership cholla loose your title and ask him to apply for a replacement title BUT THEN he list you on that title as the buyer.
Campervan Kevin is definitely someone I would like to have on my side.
get your self a 240 amp alternator you will need an aftermarket alternator to run alll of the electronics and the big 3. even if you dont get a new stereo installed in this rv its still a good idea to beef up the electrical
The dealership should be able to issue a certified bill of sale to you and it would be legal. I have bought out of stale vehicles that went through 3 different dealerships then I bought it. Got it registered easily i had bills of sale.
Yeah something is wrong with what he is telling us!
Texas no longer accepts a bill of sale.
get an arizona drivers license, show your land tax forms and get a bill from water delivery service, then register vehicles. i don't get why that can't be done,
I did this with a car from upstate New York it was a pain in the A**. I purchased the vehicle and was taking it home to Michigan, however I was driving said vehicle home so I had to go to the dmv in New York and they had to call my insurance company back home then find out what size engine the car had and a bunch of other stuff. It was so frustrating.
One other person mentioned how Blind Views explained how you got back to Arizona from Texas which you so conveniently left out of your very detailed explanation.😂
I live in oregon and yeah you have the be the name on the buyer. Alot of people who flip cars will just leave the buyer open and the date and the car will pass through like 20 people and not be registered for sometimes years until somoene actually wants to keep it so on paper it looks like one transaction
Glad you made it back.
A van I bought in Arizona had to be driven to Nevada, to document, so I could register in another state.
It took any liability away to selling dealership. CA does the same thing.
Maybe OR doesn’t care…I guess anyone should check with the home state🤷🏼♀️
Where are your car and motorcycle registered.
The system knows🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
Thanks for sharing. Sounds like a headache! Welcome back to Arizona.
Just do what I did. Check into A rv park and that is your address now. Get a private mailbox not A po box. Go to DMV Get your Driver's license you give them the RV park that you're staying at and you give them your mailing address and you're a resident. All could be done in 1 hour.
Another lesson to learn from this : don’t wait till your temporary permit expires before starting the process, do it ASAP
In the state of Missouri, your vehicle inspection is just good for 30 days. Don't let your inspection run out.
You are proving that nomading is not for dummies. Or the poor. Thanks for sharing all the details of your on going adventures. For those of us land locked in a 9 to 5, your adventure troubles let us get a deep breath of air. And we settle back realizing our daydreams of endless travel take more grit then we thought. Carry on. Truly enjoy your journey.
Eric has switched his Rv's so many times, it is no surprise he is running into some issues, it was only a matter of time. For him as a TH-camr, it is not the end of the world, but for the average person, you better choose the right rig on your first atempt, if you plan on living this lifestyle
You were one of the first channels I ever subscribed to. There were channels that I followed, but never subscribed to except for you :-) I don’t know how many years ago that was, I feel like it was 9 to 10 years ago but it’s been a while
Damn! I’m sure glad I didn’t know all that about Arizona when I moved here over three decades ago and walked in and surrendered my Colorado driver’s license then walked ten feet in the MVD to register my Truck.
Laws change.
Bro.. I bought a car in Scottsdale and I live in WA state. The dealer gave me a temp registrarion to AZ for 6 months to assist with the transfer. Maybe ask OR dealer for the same.
Thank you, Eric, for sharing your experiences with all this. The silver lining of this huge Title Cloud is that your sharing of your experiences is truly helpful to others who may be in a similar situation or anticipating buying an RV outside of their residence state gives them a heads up about things they can expect along the way.💖
Yeah, that Oregon title situation is complicating things, however I still believe you could establish AZ residence pretty quick... I did it with an RV park address... the ADOT did not give me any trouble with that...
I’m not sure if this will be helpful but I am a Texas resident, flew to Arizona to buy an rv for a friend, registered it same day in Arizona so I could drive it home and they shipped title and plates to my home address in Texas. Once the reg was close to expiring with title in hand we registered it in Texas 😊 It was not from a dealer and you have another state involved so challenge is different but the moral of my story is we were able to register in Arizona and be a resident of Texas.
@@stevecoyotes1605 don't understand why that was warranted. I'm from Hawaii and live in Texas for work. Thanks though.
Great lesson in buying a titled item in Oregon. It wouldn’t have been a problem if Oregon treated titles like everywhere else.
What if you happened to lose the title and had to use your bill of sale as proof of ownership and get a new title with the dealer and your name on the proper spots on the back.... Can that work..??
11:39 Ah, teleported with a plate off of another BigFoot motor home, I wonder who Eric knows that would loan him a plate to get out of Texas?
Eric please stop whining about everything. You have friends that know what to do if you don't in any given situations. Suck it up. You don't need to make rash decisions and although I don't promote going against the law but all you had to do was hit the road and drive home. If you got stopped all you had to do was explain situation. Maybe get a ticket maybe not no big deal. And go to the top at rv dealer and push the issue have it sent overnight. Just handle it. Hate to say it know you don't care but about ready to unsubscribe. You need to be thankful for your blessings and chill out.
I think you just found the worst possible combination of states, I bought my fifth wheel in California registered it in North Carolina. I bought my tongue pull in Alabama and registered it in North Carolina (both using my in-laws address as I live in Hawaii) so it’s definitely doable. It just sounds like Oregon has some crazy weird rule that doesn’t agree with any other state.
Hope you get things fixed/sorted-out.. would rather see you focused on your new RV and getting back to enjoying your new chapter in life..✌
for registering in Arazona move your cell phone, dish and insurance to your address then get bills for water and propane being delivered to that address in your name I'm sure that will make the difference for there
as for the title see what Arazona has to say about the title at least they will issue temp permits to move it
Your inspection report on the rv only lasts 30 days in Texas I believe, so you’re not able to fly back to finish paperwork, your rv might need another inspection
I was going to ask that same question. A lot of states have limitations on how old the inspection report can be - so, it's definitely something to look into prior to jumping on a plane to fly back to TX.
The lady next door traded her SUV for another at a dealership across the state line. The dealership could never provide 🎉her with the correct title, she couldn't register the vehicle and she got a ticket for driving a vehicle with a fraudulent title. After months of no success she drove to the dealership said she was fed up was contacting a lawyer. They offered her the pick of any car on the lot, she ended up with a low mileage like brand new Merecedes E 350 worth far more than the SUV with a good title. I guess the dealership wanted no legal problems, she came out smelling like a Rose with that deal.
You own property in AZ, you have residential propane delivery, garbage pickup? water delivery, septi system installed- all of those should qualify as "Utilities"
Bummer! Sorry you're having problems with the registration.
Eric, double check your Texas RV inspection paperwork. I’m from Texas, and while things may have changed with the new Texas inspection law, the inspection paperwork is historically only good for 30 days. For your sake Hoping I hope I am wrong.
Bummer, I suppose you could get a mailbox in AZ then have a bank statement, and phone bill sent there. According to ADOT website just says two documents has an AZ address from a business, or government. That doesn't solve your title issues with the dealer unusual for dealers to pass along a title from the old owner. We do it a lot here in AZ when buying used private party.
Typical bureaucratic BS!!! 💩🤦♂️ Sure don't make it easy on us, can't tell you how many headaches I've had like this over the years too
You have 33 packages coming from amazon with your name and address on it. I’d save every label to show at DMV to prove residency. If it was good enough for USPS federal agency, hopefully good enough for state DMV
I disagree with your statement about only buying within the State you have established legal residence. We have purchased 6 vehicles from motorcycles, automobiles, and a RV from other States with no issues. Just seems the problem is only with how your dealer and Oregon handles titles.
I bought an RV in Texas and brought it back home to Nebraska. I had to go to a Douglas County DMV that had an inspection station. They checked it all out and I was able to register it without issue. Sorry to hear you are having such issues with it.
TY. Thanks for sharing. States need to streamline their vehicle "title" issues. There are problems without even leaving the state.
You're much more an Arizona resident that a Texas resident. This is not the fault of Texas or anyone really.
@@christopherblaisdel he explained it right in the beginning of the video
I got a Drivers License in Az and got my California issued Title
with my Quartzsite po box...I'm a resident, I was asked if I wanted to register to vote.
I never heard that before you first buy a car in a dealer when you get the transfer done completely and get your title under your name the original title now for you then you can register somewhere else because it's already under your name
Open unsigned titles will get you arrested in some states in travel... Oklahoma will also register out of state vehicles, if you get pulled over the officer might wonder why your Oklahoma tag has an out of state address lol,,, been there.
Florida... no income tax and renew vehicle tag for 2 years.