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Having asked for an Xbox 360 for Christmas 2013 (when I was 12) and getting a *more expensive* Wii U and being stuck with it until late 2018... I felt that one
@@kimikothetanuki314 the idea wasn’t that bad actually, streaming your games and playing them were ever on whatever that’s dope, but in the year we’re in I’m not surprised it flopped. Maybe few more decades? Maybe never?
It honestly felt that Stadia was doomed to fail. I remember only getting ads for Stadia only at the beginning of its life and nothing afterwards. and honestly, I don't think even Google themselves knew what it was they were promoting.
They sent me a free Chromecast and controller bundle to try it out supprisingly late in its life (mid 2021), so they were still trying for a while. It was always going to fail, the model made no sense, but they gave it the ol' college try anyway.
If i recall correctly, The closest thing Google ever did to promoting Stadia was redesign the Game Controller emoji 🎮 to look like Stadia's own Controller. Well, 🎮.
I’m on iOS so it just looks like and Xbox controller with the stick layout of the Playstation with two red buttons and two black buttons like a Nintendo. It’s so! generic. 🎮
The idea that I really liked about Stadia was that supposedly I could be able to play, for example, Cyberpunk 2077 in ultra with RTX in my old 2014 PC or my living room smart tv, without worrying about specs. Heck, apparently you could be able to play AAA games in your smart phone! But for some reason, their advertisement didn't focused on that and, well, Stadia itself had a lot of performance issues...
Stadia was actually really good for my living situation, I don't have a lot of time to play many games and I don't have a lot of living space so Google stadia's low upfront price was attractive to me. Honestly haven't noticed the latency too. I'd buy the tech off of them if they're selling it.
The ideia was cool but input latency kills it, Nvidia tried that before. Computer and consoles are expensive and in streaming u don't need to pay that cost.
@@christophermccoy151 This. And it's cheaper because all the games are free. Plus more games. Plus Xbox worked with Razor to make custom hardware for mobile gaming.
I feel that way about many big projects by companies that aren't already established in this industry. As soon as Amazon announced thier game, I was like.. meh. Maybe. Probably not.
The fact that Google, a titan of modern software technology can’t get into the console market just shows how hard it is to join without an initial audience like Valve with the steam deck.
Valve steadily built their influence over many, many years to get where it is now... Google is too lazy to do that and gives up early with every project that isnt an instant popular cash cow lol
@@MeltonCrest good luck trying to pirate games on the xbox, playstation, and switch where a majority of the gaming marketplace is. Is it possible? Sure, but let's not sit here and act like it's just downloading a rom file
My experience with Stadia is exactly how your experience went. I was at Pax West 2019 looking for a booth that had Doom Eternal and found that only Stadia had the demo. So I played it but found there were latency issues and the game ultimately crashed several times. At that point I didn’t even finish the demo and left. Never heard of Stadia again until they announced its end
Ex Stadia hard-core user here. Thanks for getting all the good points of Stadia right, you did your homework and I appreciate that. Too bad Google made it so necessary to do so. Also Doom Eternal played beautifully with no lag a little after it launched. The tech was sadly incredible.
The idea may have been cool, but the tech wasn't there. Not to mention it's completely redundant with the existence of steam and other consoles having some similar systems with guaranteed functionality.
@@Unwise- with non-terrible internet, the lag was very comparible and sometimes actually better than console. Naturally it would not compete with 120fps twitch pc. They had the wizardry, Doom Eternal 60fps totally playable at max difficulty. The tech is the one thing they nailed.
The fact is existing gamers are locked into their platforms. Ps, xbox, steam. I think that if stadia kept on going and advertised properly etc etc. New younger audiences may have jumped on.
Maybe it was advertised for people that pay a ton of money on very tiny places in cities like NYC or London where there's literally no room for anything besides a bed and some clothes... 🤔
Especially funny considering that it comes from an American who basically live in the biggest living space in the world. If even a tiny Japanese apartment can afford space for several gaming systems then so can everyone els e.
Game streaming is not going to be a reality for a while. The #1 issue is response time/delay. If you’re listening to a song that’s delayed from Spotify’s servers by 5 seconds, the entire song will play back with the 5sec delay, sounding perfectly normal. With game streaming, players can interact with the video, and a 5 sec delay between pressing A and jumping will be immediately noticeable and a horrible experience
At the end of the day I just don't see why streaming is necessary in the first place. While you're streaming a game, there's still a machine on the other end that's actually running the game locally. Why would I want to pay someone else to run the game for me? With latency added on top of it?
@@winlover37 I feel like it’s coming, in the 90s nobody thought blockbuster or music CDs were gonna fade into obscurity… granted I wasn’t alive but still
Like those tv games in the 90´s that works with the phone when you press a button and the sounds travels to the "studio". (press 8 to jump) biip.... 3 seconds delays
@@Creed5.56 The difference is, there's far more advantages in moving away from VHS and Cassettes for CDs and eventually downloading. I'm seeing way too many downsides with Streaming over where we're at now. I don't have any control over local files (already an instant no for me) the Latency issue, ownership issue, even a moment of bad internet can cause problems.
I could never figure out who Stadia was meant for. It's not going to appeal to hardcore gamers because of the inherent input lag with the whole concept. It's not going to appeal to casual gamers because of the pricing model. And, it's not going to appeal to non-gamers because they don't know what the eff it is.
Plus, if you have enough to pay for an internet connection able to stream in 4k (even if Stadia ganes never truly ran in 4k), you have enough to buy a decent gaming PC...
@@DonVigaDeFierro hm, not really. High speed Internet (enough for 4k at least) an be bought for quite cheap nowadays, and most people use their regular internet way more than they game. Saving up for a good PC can take quite a while
@@DonDadda45 there are a lot of mid level pcs that can play AAA games good enough. Again Console gamers have their consoles already PC gamers get high end machines and now also have the option to play it anywahere with handheld gaming pcs (and boy are they becoming more numerous and more powerful now) Who is Stadia going to appeal to? Casuals are fickle and most likely just play games on their phones. I’ll never go ‘Games as a service/Streaming’ Because I like to own my games and not have to keep paying for them every month.
@@DonDadda45 Really??? If you can't buy Switch, cheap PC parts that can run most games, or anything else,. Then you need to get a job and earn some money.
When Stadia was announced I knew that it would never work. It was always seen as a joke amongst my friends. I always thought of it as Google saying "I'm not a kid anymore! Look at what I can do too!" while everyone laughed like a parent does when their children play grown-up.
That's funny cause I felt the opposite of your analogy. It felt like Google was doing the "how do you do fellow kids" thing and trying to wade into yet another industry that they had no history in but they figured since they were the big bad alphabet company on the block they would just be able to steamroll over established gaming developers. I have to think Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Valve, and Epic were all probably just laughing behind their back.
Stadia was a nice option for me when I first saw it (2019). I had no PC but a nice Internet connection. The idea of playing on a gaming PC remotely.... was nice for me. However, 3 years later i got a nice job and bought my own PC. The rest was history.
Stadia would have been an option but then I realized I don’t have the best WeeFi, so games ran like dog scat compared to downloading, which is why downloading is king.
I made fun of it when it got announced. Then I completely forgot about it until they said it’s shutting down. Honestly goes to show how successful stadia was.
I remember when stadia was first coming out. People in the industry pointed out “it’s Google. They won’t support this in a few years” and I agreed with that, remembering Google+ and hangouts being killed. But one of my relatives had decided to go for it, getting the hardware that was available for it and actively using it. I remember we talked about it once and that was it. It wasn’t anything groundbreaking, just a way to play games somewhere else. My biggest issue I saw with it was that I didn’t “own” the games. That if Google killed their service, all those games would be gone, which is exactly what happened (with a benefit that there would be refund (probably to a Google account so you have like $100+ in the Google play store)). Other than that, it wasn’t really cool or anything. No one I game with used stadia for anything. It was like… another launcher in my eyes. I try to avoid those whenever I can.
Google is obsessed with launches, but not support. According to insiders if you launch as many products as possible you are highly rewarded, but nobody bats an eye if you maintain a product or service for years on end. If you don't incentivize the maintaining of your services, employees will just optimize launching as many half-baked products as possible to get promoted.
If google actually cared supporting their console and listened to the criticism of the problems that stadia had, it ‘could’ stand out on competing with steam deck or switch in portable gaming For longevity, if stadia could access to your gaming accounts on various pc platforms from valve, epic and cd project, it would stand out… if they allow it.
Stadia in a nutshell: Promising streaming hardware and technology. (When it works, it works pretty good.) Horrible business model and lack of creative direction. (People in charge really don't understand what or how they were selling) Tradition of lacking support from Google higher-ups. (They don't invest much and bailed as soon as stadia wasn't reaching their goal)
I notice that in your nutshell on Stadia you didn't say anything about VIDEO GAMES! Did Stadia even have games? No one remembers. They tried to sell us the service itself, not the awesome games the service would let you play.
8:37 I do recall seeing a lot of Stadia ads on TH-cam, my friend said he had never seen any until a few minutes after I had brought them up (this was 5 months after they announced it or something, meaning he had no idea what Stadia was despite spending a lot of time on TH-cam). From what I remember of the advertisements, they never explained what Stadia was or showed what it really did. The name was mentioned but... that was just it.
The moment I heard stadia was gonna be a subscription based service, I knew it was gonna fail. That concept in of itself is not impossible. But with everything becoming an intangible license with an expiration date, not many people would be willing to take that chance to embolden other corps.
@@harrypearson6675 I mean you're still buying licenses off of the service. I got screwed over already when Google shut down Google Play Music, if your reputation is that you kill all of your services where you own things in the cloud then I'm going to go to a different service. I doubt Steam will shut down any time soon.
it wasn't only that but people got dubious of the claims that the games could be played at 4k 60fps, i remember seeing a video where the games were clearly upscaled or something rather then being 4k so not only was stadia not delivering the games, their claims of being 4k 60 were half truths at best and input lag plagued stadia way too much as well which made it a non viable option.
I actually remember tons of those camercials being on TH-cam but they had it advertised hard for like a short time and then it was just gone. I only ever heard about it after that is the angry Joe show would talk about it and even they eventually stopped having reason to talk about it.
For the seemingly large investment Google put into the Stadia, the only times I heard of it were when it was announced to be released and when it was announced to be shut down. For four years, I completely forgot it even existed.
Alot of the investment went into stadia studios, billions and billions wasted. Then paying devs to put their games on stadia pro. I believe there was even rumours alot of the money went back to Stadia execs and Harrison's wallets.
I actually was receiving stadia ads on TH-cam. It’s how I even knew about the console. However when I asked my friends if they’d seen those same ads they all said no. Seems like google made a very low “effort” in pushing this thing.
Decentralized or streaming gaming will never work. Any service interruption ends your game and even if it is working you can't beat the speed of light and the signal's round trip just adds input lag. Find that gif of Gene Park pressing the jump button on a stadia game.
In hindsight, Microsoft introduced the Xbox at just the perfect time. The Wild West of the 90s console wars was coming to an end and Microsoft pretty much usurped SEGA’s place after their long decline. At this point the Big Three have pretty much solidified their places in the console market while Valve dominates PC.
Nothing lasts forever. all that needs to happen is an affordable console at the next "perfect time" with an interesting and actually consumer friendly idea to nudge their way into the market.
@@Daduu Yeah it introduced itself at a good time but also quickly solidified itself as the home of the shooter. Something like Stadia isn’t going to work because it isn’t a good time, nobody took it seriously, and it had nothing new to offer
And now value is coming to disrupt the console market with steam deck and Sony with the PS5..... Bruh what the fuck is Sony even doing? Hell what even is NEXT GEN anymore? I don't see an incentive to buy XSX and PS5.... I DO see an incentive for steam deck
I actually saw ads for Stadia on TH-cam for maybd the while first year it was out. The ads themselves were bad, but the larger issue was I already knew what Stadia was: cloud gaming, AKA, you give the corperate overloards even more control over your purchases then you already do. Heck, I am still a reluctant Steam user, most my PC library is on CDs!
I remember getting stadia ads nonstop on TH-cam and thinking that for someone who hadn’t researched it like I had, it would be completely unclear what it was. I think they should have shown people actually using the product in the advertisements and it would have been at least a little better
This here, the only case you'd be playing on a cloud gaming service is if the connections outside is good, but randomly switching between 4G, 3G and H+ just doesn't yield anyhing good. Its definitely bad timing but then again Geforce Now is doing good so Stadia definitely did other things wrong.
Google didn't advertise Stadia on TH-cam? They advertised it INCESANTLY in the beginning. Every video having a Stadia ad was the reason I finally decided to get TH-cam Premium.
Stadia marketing was like watching a new trailer for a game and then coming out the other side saying "ok I don't even know what genre this game is all you did was show me CGI cutscenes. I don't know if it's a stealth game, a beat em up of even if it's a rythmn based dance game."
Act Man did you hear about Red Dead Online Google Stadia, there’s a sad soul that spent thousands of hours on there enjoying the game. Then Rockstar announced that they will not be allowing character transfers from Stadia to other consoles/pc!
I genuinely didn't realize Stadia came out before COVID. And it shows how badly Google screwed up with it. I never thought it'd gain traction at all, and I'm not surprised. But I do feel bad for the devs who signed up for it.
There just simply wasn't a clear idea on what Stadia's identity was. I get there's a niche for cloud service gaming, but with the way it was executed just didn't cut the right jib like something like Game Pass does
I thought they would focus on getting games on mobile devices to go after the Nintendo Switch. As long as you had a good connection (which would get easier as 5G spreads), you could play your games on the go and with Google's servers doing the heavy lifting, you wouldn't have the compromises you get with the Switch. But when I heard it was focused on hooking up a ChromeCast to your TV and paying full price for the games, I thought it was far too weak a sales pitch to compete head to head with PS/XB.
Act Man, when you mentioned stadia could be cool for people with bad internet, you seem to have forgotten that streaming itself would be horribly laggy, unfortunately
Not sure if being in the uk was different to the states, but I remember getting ads for stadia ALL THE TIME. I was so tired of them, because they were really safe ads that did nothing new. A good comparison to stadia would be geforce now, its runs a lot smoother and has ray tracing options which is pretty impressive.
The main problem is that, it is true that even in the poorest countries people have access to the internet, not everyone have a constant high-bandwith internet with close distance to the game servers. And that's where the ship starts sinking... Not to mention lag and input delay.
My extent of knowledge & experience of Stadia was seeing that ad once or twice, audibly speaking the word "cringe" and never thinking about it ever again.
Well obviously. You're literally a tiger. I'm a coyote. What are we not allowed to play it Google? And what the fuck does "free range humans" even mean?
Would you think Google Stadia had greatest marketing opportunity by *ACTUALLY* explaining the product. “It’s literally AAA games at the highest quality settings, no $500 console, no $70 price tag on games. Anywhere at anytime and it’s only just $11.99 month.”
I remember a girl asking me to the dance in eight grade. I told her yes, then got high with my friends and forgot all about it. Whoops. I mean she's probably married with kids now, but uh, hey - if you're out there then uh... sorry and stuff.
TH-cam is becoming more and more sentient... 8:53 when Actman is talking about adds on TH-cam and doing some self promotion, a pop-up add for an addblock showed up
I honestly think stadia had a lot of potential. I think the main issue was the price. Why would anyone would pay a MONTHLY subscription to play games but on top of that you had to pay for the game you wanted to play.
no, the main issue is not everybody lives in a big city with gigabit download speed. I have 3 options: shitty DSL that maxes out at 4 megabit download on ancient copper phone lines even shittier local cable that provides internet with data limits and a crazy per-gigabyte pay scale for anything over the limit Cellular internet that's not limited and gives me like 90 megabit download speed... which, while it's not absolutely terrible, it's nothing compared to what comcast and verizon provide.
I'm most worried about Stadia exclusives, since those games will be gone forever. It's why I always was hesitant about cloud gaming in general and its implication on games preservation.
The sad thing is, that's how Modern Gaming is everywhere. If you play an always online game, you're accepting the fact that some day it will completely cease to exist. Look at the original Overwatch. It's completely gone now.
I only ever remember seeing ads for Stadia on TH-cam ads. It took me very long to find out it's a game console. even longer to find out it's made by google.
You're missing who the core audience for Stadia was; it was meant for people who couldn't afford their own gaming rig. But you're spot on about the rest of this. Cloud gaming just isn't quite where it needs to be yet tech-wise, and Google's business strategy was NOT it.
it will never be. the laws of physics says no. the speed of light literally cannot get faster and their solution is some convoluded "ai predicts every input" bullshit.
It was for someone who could afford to live in a place with good enough internet to run it, but couldn't afford a gaming rig. I live in Montana, it was never going to work well here, our infrastructure is too far behind.
That's an oddly specific niche, which is part of the problem. I used to live in a state in the Midwest of the United States . Said state, particularly in the more up to date areas, had a deal with Comcast where Comcast had what was effectively a government-ordained monopoly. Comcast was the only provider with decent internet in a LARGE area and everyone else was McDonalds wi-fi (or worse). Comcast then took advantage of this position and instituted a Data Cap. You could only use about 1 TB worth of data in a month, and if you went over, you get ABSOLUTELY reamed by Comcast. Of course, you can pay substantially more for a plan without a Data Cap, if you really wanted to, but it wasn't economical. Funnily enough, they removed the Data Caps during the first few months of COVID, and the system ran totally fine. They were just there to take advantage of people and their position. I should mention that in virtually every other location that Comcast provides their "service," they also have Data Caps. So, in any location where Comcast is the de-facto internet provider and people can't afford to get the extremely expensive no-data-cap plan, Stadia is completely useless. If you want to do anything other than game on Stadia using your internet, it just isn't gonna happen.
A gaming option for people who can't afford a gaming rig, but requires high cost internet at all times and is significantly more expensive than Xcloud & Gamepass or GForceNow.
Some of their "selling points" were straight up contradictory. Like if my internet is so bad that it takes hours to download an update, then clearly my speed isn't going to support a high resolution/framerate.
The only times i ever really thought aboit console size when i got ps5 " holy crap this things huge" and with the series s "holy crap this things tiny" when i first got them lmao
Just so everyone knows the REAL important story here - the red water bottle at the bottom left of the screen is a brand called ThermoFlask(I recognize the tiny logo). I have 4 of them myself and use them almost every night when going to sleep. Why? - because the ice and water stays cold in the bottle for 8-10 hours easily. Wake up in the middle of the night to cold refreshing drink with no dust! unlike like a regular cup.
I genuinely thought the Stadia died like 2 years ago. I feel bad for the developers though. I forgot it was a thing until it was announced it was going to be shut down.
I personally would be happy if all "game streaming services" failed. I hate the direction the industry is going where you not only are required to have top of the line internet, but you also dont own the games you're paying for.
Yeah, unfortunately games are just following where all other media are right now (netflix, spotify, etc) where you don't own any of the content and just keep paying subscription fees for access to it.
@@ballertron yeah its just with those things i have no real reason to care, they dont require nearly as good internet and i dont have a desire to own copies of music or shows that i will watch once and probably never again. I understand why they are moving in that direction i just hate, but im fucked either way cause im a collector and we are very close to games being at the very least digital only.
I do remember seeing Stadia commercials on youtube. Although, not for very long. It's almost like they were shy about showing off their new gaming platform lol.
I love the Halo ODST soundtrack in the background. But honestly, with things like XCloud w/ GamePass, PSNOW, GeForce Now or remote services like Parsec… Idk how they expected this to succeed especially when you have to pay for a monthly service and then the games on top of it. It was just so listless, directionless and basically worse version of something that already exists and it felt like Google had no confidence in it from the beginning, so with their track record of killing projects, people thusly, also didn’t have confidence in their long term support.
Only thing I’ll counter is that I was being absolutely drowned in stadia ads on TH-cam at and around a few months after it’s launch. It never seemed worth the money even with good access to internet where I am
When cyberpunk came out, PS5s were harder to get, and most didn’t have a powerful enough PC, Stadia was one of the best ways to play the game. The appeal is to ppl who can’t afford great game rigs, but the game list wasn’t too great and you had to have great wifi
Another thing regarding stadia was that since its essentially a gaming streaming service it would basically be nearly impossible to pirate games. Something really good for companies. The downside is that it would kinda make moding games nearly impossible to. And if the game was a stadia exclusive then you better enjoy it while it's still in the servers. Because unless it gets a port for other platforms it would be impossible to emulate and therefore to preserve those games for future generations. So the day they decide that they don't want that game in the platform for whatever reason or when they decide to end the project you are left with nothing. And even assuming stadia was a succes for the coming decades it would eventually end like every company/country/organization.
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Let’s be real, stadia died before it ACTUALLY died…
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The idea itself was stupid
@@kimikothetanuki314 the idea wasn’t that bad actually, streaming your games and playing them were ever on whatever that’s dope, but in the year we’re in I’m not surprised it flopped. Maybe few more decades? Maybe never?
Let’s be honest…. It was stillborn.
The truth is, Stadia was dead from the start.
It honestly felt that Stadia was doomed to fail.
I remember only getting ads for Stadia only at the beginning of its life and nothing afterwards.
and honestly, I don't think even Google themselves knew what it was they were promoting.
They sent me a free Chromecast and controller bundle to try it out supprisingly late in its life (mid 2021), so they were still trying for a while. It was always going to fail, the model made no sense, but they gave it the ol' college try anyway.
right? i heard about it before it came out, and then i heard nothing about it again. I honestly wasn't sure it ever even got off the ground at all.
got 6 months for free with DTV. used it to bear darksiders genesis/3. kinda a shane they effed it up so bad cause it worked just fine.
I remember all my ads were Abt stadia and they didn't intrigue me one bit!
If i recall correctly, The closest thing Google ever did to promoting Stadia was redesign the Game Controller emoji 🎮 to look like Stadia's own Controller.
Well, 🎮.
It's funny because the design is so generic that nobody even noticed, me included.
I’m on iOS so it just looks like and Xbox controller with the stick layout of the Playstation with two red buttons and two black buttons like a Nintendo. It’s so! generic. 🎮
🎮 really? :o
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On iOS it just looks like an Xbox controller with symmetrical sticks
I dead ass forgot stadia was a thing lmao
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Me too
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That's how dead it was. So much so that we forgot about it
Fr bro shit phased from my mind
The idea that I really liked about Stadia was that supposedly I could be able to play, for example, Cyberpunk 2077 in ultra with RTX in my old 2014 PC or my living room smart tv, without worrying about specs. Heck, apparently you could be able to play AAA games in your smart phone! But for some reason, their advertisement didn't focused on that and, well, Stadia itself had a lot of performance issues...
Stadia was actually really good for my living situation, I don't have a lot of time to play many games and I don't have a lot of living space so Google stadia's low upfront price was attractive to me. Honestly haven't noticed the latency too. I'd buy the tech off of them if they're selling it.
Gamepass cloud gaming > stadia
The ideia was cool but input latency kills it, Nvidia tried that before. Computer and consoles are expensive and in streaming u don't need to pay that cost.
There's still xbox cloud streaming and nvidia now, have way more faith in both those companies
@@christophermccoy151 This. And it's cheaper because all the games are free. Plus more games. Plus Xbox worked with Razor to make custom hardware for mobile gaming.
I remember rolling my eyes when I saw Stadia first launch. I had a gut feeling it wouldn't last.
I feel that way about many big projects by companies that aren't already established in this industry. As soon as Amazon announced thier game, I was like.. meh. Maybe. Probably not.
Same. Especially with PS Now which kinda was the precursor to this. I knew it wasn't gonna last long.
@@drbeavis4211 Amazon luna ironically is still around. I just checked.
The fact that Google, a titan of modern software technology can’t get into the console market just shows how hard it is to join without an initial audience like Valve with the steam deck.
I wouldn't trust Google with the data they would have got from this.
Valve steadily built their influence over many, many years to get where it is now... Google is too lazy to do that and gives up early with every project that isnt an instant popular cash cow lol
Yes, but actually not. Google didnt even tried.
Google wasn't trying to get into the console market. They were trying to replace the console market by thinking they could use streaming.
I'm pretty sure it was due to the lack of support and the amount they promised on release and failed to keep. It came out as a large and glitchy mess
I hate not owning games
We don't own games anymore we rent licenses. It's a whole lot of bullshit.
Get into handhelds & retro gaming, that’s a great way to know you own your game
@@discod992 If you pirate it you own it. It's your own fault, if you keep "voting with your wallet" you're telling them that's exactly what you want.
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@@MeltonCrest good luck trying to pirate games on the xbox, playstation, and switch where a majority of the gaming marketplace is. Is it possible? Sure, but let's not sit here and act like it's just downloading a rom file
My experience with Stadia is exactly how your experience went. I was at Pax West 2019 looking for a booth that had Doom Eternal and found that only Stadia had the demo. So I played it but found there were latency issues and the game ultimately crashed several times. At that point I didn’t even finish the demo and left. Never heard of Stadia again until they announced its end
Ex Stadia hard-core user here. Thanks for getting all the good points of Stadia right, you did your homework and I appreciate that. Too bad Google made it so necessary to do so. Also Doom Eternal played beautifully with no lag a little after it launched. The tech was sadly incredible.
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@@zarthemad8386 doubt what exactly?
The idea may have been cool, but the tech wasn't there. Not to mention it's completely redundant with the existence of steam and other consoles having some similar systems with guaranteed functionality.
@@Unwise- with non-terrible internet, the lag was very comparible and sometimes actually better than console. Naturally it would not compete with 120fps twitch pc. They had the wizardry, Doom Eternal 60fps totally playable at max difficulty. The tech is the one thing they nailed.
The fact is existing gamers are locked into their platforms. Ps, xbox, steam. I think that if stadia kept on going and advertised properly etc etc. New younger audiences may have jumped on.
I love how the trailer is saying “it doesn’t take up any space” as a selling point, but the room they’re in has more than enough of it.
Also, who the hell complains that consoles and PCs take up space?
Maybe it was advertised for people that pay a ton of money on very tiny places in cities like NYC or London where there's literally no room for anything besides a bed and some clothes... 🤔
Especially funny considering that it comes from an American who basically live in the biggest living space in the world. If even a tiny Japanese apartment can afford space for several gaming systems then so can everyone els e.
Game streaming is not going to be a reality for a while. The #1 issue is response time/delay. If you’re listening to a song that’s delayed from Spotify’s servers by 5 seconds, the entire song will play back with the 5sec delay, sounding perfectly normal. With game streaming, players can interact with the video, and a 5 sec delay between pressing A and jumping will be immediately noticeable and a horrible experience
At the end of the day I just don't see why streaming is necessary in the first place. While you're streaming a game, there's still a machine on the other end that's actually running the game locally. Why would I want to pay someone else to run the game for me? With latency added on top of it?
@@winlover37 I feel like it’s coming, in the 90s nobody thought blockbuster or music CDs were gonna fade into obscurity… granted I wasn’t alive but still
@@Creed5.56 I guess it's always possible, but music and movie distribution are a lot different from video games.
Like those tv games in the 90´s that works with the phone when you press a button and the sounds travels to the "studio". (press 8 to jump) biip.... 3 seconds delays
@@Creed5.56 The difference is, there's far more advantages in moving away from VHS and Cassettes for CDs and eventually downloading.
I'm seeing way too many downsides with Streaming over where we're at now.
I don't have any control over local files (already an instant no for me) the Latency issue, ownership issue, even a moment of bad internet can cause problems.
The fact that i just found this video a year later and still didnt know what the fuck stadia was.
As soon as Game Pass kicked in, it murdered any possible chance that Stadia ever had, if there even was any.
It felt like Google really underestimated game development thinking it be easy and just kinda gave up on it half way through.
Nah they just throw money around to show of to people with their stinking server infrastructure.
Amazon is pretty similar in that regard
@@Trigger99X --- they even have almost the same description on The Cutting Room Floor wiki.
I could never figure out who Stadia was meant for. It's not going to appeal to hardcore gamers because of the inherent input lag with the whole concept. It's not going to appeal to casual gamers because of the pricing model. And, it's not going to appeal to non-gamers because they don't know what the eff it is.
Plus, if you have enough to pay for an internet connection able to stream in 4k (even if Stadia ganes never truly ran in 4k), you have enough to buy a decent gaming PC...
@@DonVigaDeFierro hm, not really. High speed Internet (enough for 4k at least) an be bought for quite cheap nowadays, and most people use their regular internet way more than they game. Saving up for a good PC can take quite a while
@@DonDadda45 there are a lot of mid level pcs that can play AAA games good enough.
Again
Console gamers have their consoles already
PC gamers get high end machines and now also have the option to play it anywahere with handheld gaming pcs (and boy are they becoming more numerous and more powerful now)
Who is Stadia going to appeal to?
Casuals are fickle and most likely just play games on their phones.
I’ll never go ‘Games as a service/Streaming’
Because I like to own my games and not have to keep paying for them every month.
It takes a remarkable amount of skill to design something that is unappealing to everyone.
@@DonDadda45 Really??? If you can't buy Switch, cheap PC parts that can run most games, or anything else,. Then you need to get a job and earn some money.
something i didn't know about stadia: asmongold in the ads
When Stadia was announced I knew that it would never work. It was always seen as a joke amongst my friends. I always thought of it as Google saying "I'm not a kid anymore! Look at what I can do too!" while everyone laughed like a parent does when their children play grown-up.
That's funny cause I felt the opposite of your analogy. It felt like Google was doing the "how do you do fellow kids" thing and trying to wade into yet another industry that they had no history in but they figured since they were the big bad alphabet company on the block they would just be able to steamroll over established gaming developers. I have to think Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Valve, and Epic were all probably just laughing behind their back.
My favorite thing that came from stadia was "negative latency"
It's like blast processing, but no where near as cool.
Hey at least blast processing is an actual technology that exists just with a shiny name, "negative latency" is a litteral lie.
Stadia was a nice option for me when I first saw it (2019). I had no PC but a nice Internet connection. The idea of playing on a gaming PC remotely.... was nice for me. However, 3 years later i got a nice job and bought my own PC. The rest was history.
Good for you man!
Stadia would have been an option but then I realized I don’t have the best WeeFi, so games ran like dog scat compared to downloading, which is why downloading is king.
Congrats on the good job!
Stadia is like looking for an animal that is as small as an ant but have a force to lift a car like an Elephant
"Unthink the things you think are things."
My head asplode
I made fun of it when it got announced. Then I completely forgot about it until they said it’s shutting down. Honestly goes to show how successful stadia was.
I remember when stadia was first coming out. People in the industry pointed out “it’s Google. They won’t support this in a few years” and I agreed with that, remembering Google+ and hangouts being killed. But one of my relatives had decided to go for it, getting the hardware that was available for it and actively using it. I remember we talked about it once and that was it. It wasn’t anything groundbreaking, just a way to play games somewhere else. My biggest issue I saw with it was that I didn’t “own” the games. That if Google killed their service, all those games would be gone, which is exactly what happened (with a benefit that there would be refund (probably to a Google account so you have like $100+ in the Google play store)). Other than that, it wasn’t really cool or anything. No one I game with used stadia for anything. It was like… another launcher in my eyes. I try to avoid those whenever I can.
Google is obsessed with launches, but not support. According to insiders if you launch as many products as possible you are highly rewarded, but nobody bats an eye if you maintain a product or service for years on end. If you don't incentivize the maintaining of your services, employees will just optimize launching as many half-baked products as possible to get promoted.
If google actually cared supporting their console and listened to the criticism of the problems that stadia had, it ‘could’ stand out on competing with steam deck or switch in portable gaming
For longevity, if stadia could access to your gaming accounts on various pc platforms from valve, epic and cd project, it would stand out… if they allow it.
Stadia in a nutshell:
Promising streaming hardware and technology. (When it works, it works pretty good.)
Horrible business model and lack of creative direction. (People in charge really don't understand what or how they were selling)
Tradition of lacking support from Google higher-ups. (They don't invest much and bailed as soon as stadia wasn't reaching their goal)
I notice that in your nutshell on Stadia you didn't say anything about VIDEO GAMES! Did Stadia even have games? No one remembers. They tried to sell us the service itself, not the awesome games the service would let you play.
@@sambauman69 they were dumb enough to turn down a kojima exclusive for being "single player"
@@aldovk6681 While their platform is horrible for multiplayer lol. I love Google for being funny sometime but not their money
Bro I had to actively search for this, had no idea that you uploaded it I am subscribed.
8:37 I do recall seeing a lot of Stadia ads on TH-cam, my friend said he had never seen any until a few minutes after I had brought them up (this was 5 months after they announced it or something, meaning he had no idea what Stadia was despite spending a lot of time on TH-cam). From what I remember of the advertisements, they never explained what Stadia was or showed what it really did. The name was mentioned but... that was just it.
When you start a video with sad ODST music, you know it's a serious video.
The moment I heard stadia was gonna be a subscription based service, I knew it was gonna fail. That concept in of itself is not impossible. But with everything becoming an intangible license with an expiration date, not many people would be willing to take that chance to embolden other corps.
it wasn't a subscription service, you just had to buy the games...
@@harrypearson6675 really? Guess I had that whole thing wrong than. 😬
@@c3lmitz619 more a problem with their marketing, i thought it was for a while too
@@harrypearson6675 ok I’m im glad I’m not the only one who thought so 😅.
@@harrypearson6675 I mean you're still buying licenses off of the service. I got screwed over already when Google shut down Google Play Music, if your reputation is that you kill all of your services where you own things in the cloud then I'm going to go to a different service. I doubt Steam will shut down any time soon.
People want to own things not to rent them
it wasn't only that but people got dubious of the claims that the games could be played at 4k 60fps, i remember seeing a video where the games were clearly upscaled or something rather then being 4k so not only was stadia not delivering the games, their claims of being 4k 60 were half truths at best and input lag plagued stadia way too much as well which made it a non viable option.
It wasn't half truths it was just lies. Some games where 1080 60fps (Destiny 2 for example from memory).
I actually remember tons of those camercials being on TH-cam but they had it advertised hard for like a short time and then it was just gone. I only ever heard about it after that is the angry Joe show would talk about it and even they eventually stopped having reason to talk about it.
It was literally puff of colored smoke and people yelling stadia
Exactly I remember it like a fever dream
commercial* I have no clue what you were thinking when you typed "camercials."
For the seemingly large investment Google put into the Stadia, the only times I heard of it were when it was announced to be released and when it was announced to be shut down. For four years, I completely forgot it even existed.
Alot of the investment went into stadia studios, billions and billions wasted. Then paying devs to put their games on stadia pro. I believe there was even rumours alot of the money went back to Stadia execs and Harrison's wallets.
@@fiercelypolygons3696 i'm sure they didn't spend billions on stadia
I actually was receiving stadia ads on TH-cam. It’s how I even knew about the console. However when I asked my friends if they’d seen those same ads they all said no. Seems like google made a very low “effort” in pushing this thing.
I felt like it was bound to happen as Google faced a lot lot problems with the Stadia. Great video
2:17 Stadia's tombstone grave combined with the Taco Bell bong got me rolling in laughter.
Decentralized or streaming gaming will never work. Any service interruption ends your game and even if it is working you can't beat the speed of light and the signal's round trip just adds input lag. Find that gif of Gene Park pressing the jump button on a stadia game.
It makes sense for movies and music since they don’t require physical controls aside from fast fowarding and stopping movies for the former
I completely forgot Stadia was a thing until right now
I straight up forgot that Stadia was a thing that existed.
In hindsight, Microsoft introduced the Xbox at just the perfect time. The Wild West of the 90s console wars was coming to an end and Microsoft pretty much usurped SEGA’s place after their long decline. At this point the Big Three have pretty much solidified their places in the console market while Valve dominates PC.
Nothing lasts forever. all that needs to happen is an affordable console at the next "perfect time" with an interesting and actually consumer friendly idea to nudge their way into the market.
And Um.. halo
@@Daduu Yeah it introduced itself at a good time but also quickly solidified itself as the home of the shooter. Something like Stadia isn’t going to work because it isn’t a good time, nobody took it seriously, and it had nothing new to offer
And now value is coming to disrupt the console market with steam deck and Sony with the PS5.....
Bruh what the fuck is Sony even doing? Hell what even is NEXT GEN anymore? I don't see an incentive to buy XSX and PS5.... I DO see an incentive for steam deck
Current consoles are selling on legacy steam alone
I feel like most people either didn't know what this was in the first place, or forgot about it if they did know about it at all 😂
I actually saw ads for Stadia on TH-cam for maybd the while first year it was out. The ads themselves were bad, but the larger issue was I already knew what Stadia was: cloud gaming, AKA, you give the corperate overloards even more control over your purchases then you already do. Heck, I am still a reluctant Steam user, most my PC library is on CDs!
I remember getting stadia ads nonstop on TH-cam and thinking that for someone who hadn’t researched it like I had, it would be completely unclear what it was. I think they should have shown people actually using the product in the advertisements and it would have been at least a little better
Its like they are trying to sell an idea and not an actual released products.
I think the biggest problem was the input lag due to the internet connection to the servers
I can easily imagine so, Google might've had too much ambition in hindsight
That's your internet problem.
This here, the only case you'd be playing on a cloud gaming service is if the connections outside is good, but randomly switching between 4G, 3G and H+ just doesn't yield anyhing good.
Its definitely bad timing but then again Geforce Now is doing good so Stadia definitely did other things wrong.
@@acoolrocket 3G is still a thing?
@@FightClass3 Dunno, but half the time I drop from H+ that feels like 3G when I'm trying to even watch a 720p video.
Google didn't advertise Stadia on TH-cam? They advertised it INCESANTLY in the beginning. Every video having a Stadia ad was the reason I finally decided to get TH-cam Premium.
I guess TH-cam Vanced didn't exist at that time
It's dead now anyway
It's kind of hilarious that stadia ads ended up promoting TH-cam premium instead.
Imagine not using an ad blocker in current year...
@@comicsans1689 Or a Sponsor Blocker
@@speed3414 look up revanced
Stadia marketing was like watching a new trailer for a game and then coming out the other side saying "ok I don't even know what genre this game is all you did was show me CGI cutscenes. I don't know if it's a stealth game, a beat em up of even if it's a rythmn based dance game."
I'm honestly surprised that there were still any developers in mid to late 2022 actively developing new projects for Stadia.
Act Man did you hear about Red Dead Online Google Stadia, there’s a sad soul that spent thousands of hours on there enjoying the game. Then Rockstar announced that they will not be allowing character transfers from Stadia to other consoles/pc!
I genuinely didn't realize Stadia came out before COVID. And it shows how badly Google screwed up with it. I never thought it'd gain traction at all, and I'm not surprised. But I do feel bad for the devs who signed up for it.
I told some coworkers about Stadia's death. Most of them said "What's Stadia?"
Instead of creating a gaming device. Google should've created a games development division that developed and published games for all systems.
I smell a lawsuit on behalf of a lot of developers who invested significant sums
There just simply wasn't a clear idea on what Stadia's identity was. I get there's a niche for cloud service gaming, but with the way it was executed just didn't cut the right jib like something like Game Pass does
I thought they would focus on getting games on mobile devices to go after the Nintendo Switch. As long as you had a good connection (which would get easier as 5G spreads), you could play your games on the go and with Google's servers doing the heavy lifting, you wouldn't have the compromises you get with the Switch. But when I heard it was focused on hooking up a ChromeCast to your TV and paying full price for the games, I thought it was far too weak a sales pitch to compete head to head with PS/XB.
Oh no who could have possibly seen this coming
Act Man, when you mentioned stadia could be cool for people with bad internet, you seem to have forgotten that streaming itself would be horribly laggy, unfortunately
As someone with bad Internet I thought of that too. I either suffer a long download or play a game immediately with horrible lag
This news actually came as a surprise to me because I had been operating under the assumption that Stadia was already gone
Not sure if being in the uk was different to the states, but I remember getting ads for stadia ALL THE TIME. I was so tired of them, because they were really safe ads that did nothing new.
A good comparison to stadia would be geforce now, its runs a lot smoother and has ray tracing options which is pretty impressive.
I didnt even know you had a second channel wtf. Hell yeah, spaghetti and more acting chad
It’s kind of crazy to create a console without the exclusives to back it up.
The main problem is that, it is true that even in the poorest countries people have access to the internet, not everyone have a constant high-bandwith internet with close distance to the game servers. And that's where the ship starts sinking... Not to mention lag and input delay.
Holy crap I went from seeing stadia ads everyday all day to not seeing any stadia ads. I didn't even notice that it left
glad to see the Wii U ad campaign team had more work afterwards.
My extent of knowledge & experience of Stadia was seeing that ad once or twice, audibly speaking the word "cringe" and never thinking about it ever again.
Idk why but this made me laugh😂😂
Yeah, I don't think Google calling us "free range humans" was a very good angle
Well obviously. You're literally a tiger. I'm a coyote. What are we not allowed to play it Google? And what the fuck does "free range humans" even mean?
@@coyote4326 ikr? The nerve of these people to think they can just assume our species
I remember how annoying the stadia ads were and said fuck that
Would you think Google Stadia had greatest marketing opportunity by *ACTUALLY* explaining the product.
“It’s literally AAA games at the highest quality settings, no $500 console, no $70 price tag on games. Anywhere at anytime and it’s only just $11.99 month.”
Google got rejected harder than me in middle school
Tuff😔
I remember a girl asking me to the dance in eight grade. I told her yes, then got high with my friends and forgot all about it. Whoops. I mean she's probably married with kids now, but uh, hey - if you're out there then uh... sorry and stuff.
@@coyote4326 is it bad that this kinda made me laugh a little?
Maybe if Google put as much effort into Stadia as they do with people's data Stadia wouldnt be dead
And manipulating their search engines
This Doom gameplay is killing me.
"Please Don't Hurt Me?"
"Okay."
TH-cam is becoming more and more sentient...
8:53 when Actman is talking about adds on TH-cam and doing some self promotion, a pop-up add for an addblock showed up
I honestly think stadia had a lot of potential. I think the main issue was the price. Why would anyone would pay a MONTHLY subscription to play games but on top of that you had to pay for the game you wanted to play.
You only had to pay for the 4k gaming. I bought and played RDR2 for $30 and never had to pay a subscription.
no, the main issue is not everybody lives in a big city with gigabit download speed.
I have 3 options: shitty DSL that maxes out at 4 megabit download on ancient copper phone lines
even shittier local cable that provides internet with data limits and a crazy per-gigabyte pay scale for anything over the limit
Cellular internet that's not limited and gives me like 90 megabit download speed... which, while it's not absolutely terrible, it's nothing compared to what comcast and verizon provide.
I'm most worried about Stadia exclusives, since those games will be gone forever. It's why I always was hesitant about cloud gaming in general and its implication on games preservation.
The sad thing is, that's how Modern Gaming is everywhere. If you play an always online game, you're accepting the fact that some day it will completely cease to exist. Look at the original Overwatch. It's completely gone now.
I mean technically overwatch 1 still exists as data, someone could make a private server to revive it.
I only ever remember seeing ads for Stadia on TH-cam ads.
It took me very long to find out it's a game console. even longer to find out it's made by google.
I love the use of the Halo 3 ODST music. That just gave me a wave of sad nostalgia.
You're missing who the core audience for Stadia was; it was meant for people who couldn't afford their own gaming rig. But you're spot on about the rest of this. Cloud gaming just isn't quite where it needs to be yet tech-wise, and Google's business strategy was NOT it.
it will never be. the laws of physics says no. the speed of light literally cannot get faster and their solution is some convoluded "ai predicts every input" bullshit.
It was for someone who could afford to live in a place with good enough internet to run it, but couldn't afford a gaming rig. I live in Montana, it was never going to work well here, our infrastructure is too far behind.
That's an oddly specific niche, which is part of the problem.
I used to live in a state in the Midwest of the United States . Said state, particularly in the more up to date areas, had a deal with Comcast where Comcast had what was effectively a government-ordained monopoly. Comcast was the only provider with decent internet in a LARGE area and everyone else was McDonalds wi-fi (or worse). Comcast then took advantage of this position and instituted a Data Cap. You could only use about 1 TB worth of data in a month, and if you went over, you get ABSOLUTELY reamed by Comcast. Of course, you can pay substantially more for a plan without a Data Cap, if you really wanted to, but it wasn't economical. Funnily enough, they removed the Data Caps during the first few months of COVID, and the system ran totally fine. They were just there to take advantage of people and their position.
I should mention that in virtually every other location that Comcast provides their "service," they also have Data Caps. So, in any location where Comcast is the de-facto internet provider and people can't afford to get the extremely expensive no-data-cap plan, Stadia is completely useless. If you want to do anything other than game on Stadia using your internet, it just isn't gonna happen.
A gaming option for people who can't afford a gaming rig, but requires high cost internet at all times and is significantly more expensive than Xcloud & Gamepass or GForceNow.
@@OKMBVideos not to kick you where it hurts, but in the US don't you guys have datacaps ? so if ya use up all ya data, stadia wouldn't run ay ?
I remember getting bombarded with Stadia ads here on TH-cam, I’m not sure if I’m the only one
I remember getting bombarded with Stadia ads as well.
It. Was. EVERYWHERE!
How can you still not have an adblocker ffs.
@@MeltonCrest Mobile.
I forgot the Google Stadia was a thing until I saw this.
Some of their "selling points" were straight up contradictory.
Like if my internet is so bad that it takes hours to download an update, then clearly my speed isn't going to support a high resolution/framerate.
Taking a swing myself but I feel it has something to do with the digital only focus they had going for it
Because it was made by Google, easiest answer for the easiest question in the modern gaming history class.
The only times i ever really thought aboit console size when i got ps5 " holy crap this things huge" and with the series s "holy crap this things tiny" when i first got them lmao
I didn’t even know the thing existed
Love the Deference For Darkness at the beginning
Just so everyone knows the REAL important story here - the red water bottle at the bottom left of the screen is a brand called ThermoFlask(I recognize the tiny logo). I have 4 of them myself and use them almost every night when going to sleep. Why? - because the ice and water stays cold in the bottle for 8-10 hours easily. Wake up in the middle of the night to cold refreshing drink with no dust! unlike like a regular cup.
Ah.
Now that's how you advertise a product. Just bought two. Didnt even have to waste half a minute of my time. What a concept.
I remember seeing Stadia ads all the time on TH-cam… Weird.
I genuinely thought the Stadia died like 2 years ago. I feel bad for the developers though. I forgot it was a thing until it was announced it was going to be shut down.
I personally would be happy if all "game streaming services" failed. I hate the direction the industry is going where you not only are required to have top of the line internet, but you also dont own the games you're paying for.
Yeah, unfortunately games are just following where all other media are right now (netflix, spotify, etc) where you don't own any of the content and just keep paying subscription fees for access to it.
@@ballertron yeah its just with those things i have no real reason to care, they dont require nearly as good internet and i dont have a desire to own copies of music or shows that i will watch once and probably never again. I understand why they are moving in that direction i just hate, but im fucked either way cause im a collector and we are very close to games being at the very least digital only.
I do remember seeing Stadia commercials on youtube. Although, not for very long. It's almost like they were shy about showing off their new gaming platform lol.
The TH-cam ad part. I've seen a STADIA ad before on TH-cam
I love the Halo ODST soundtrack in the background. But honestly, with things like XCloud w/ GamePass, PSNOW, GeForce Now or remote services like Parsec… Idk how they expected this to succeed especially when you have to pay for a monthly service and then the games on top of it. It was just so listless, directionless and basically worse version of something that already exists and it felt like Google had no confidence in it from the beginning, so with their track record of killing projects, people thusly, also didn’t have confidence in their long term support.
Only thing I’ll counter is that I was being absolutely drowned in stadia ads on TH-cam at and around a few months after it’s launch. It never seemed worth the money even with good access to internet where I am
To be honest, I thought Stadia had already been shut down...
I deadass didn't even know it was a thing until I saw this vid 💀
I didn’t know the Stadia was even a thing…..a year after this video came out. I saw the title like “wtf is google stadia?”
I saw an ad for Stadia 3 years ago and haven't thought of it since
1:13 "my team"
MY TEAM vs THE ENEMY TEAM
When cyberpunk came out, PS5s were harder to get, and most didn’t have a powerful enough PC, Stadia was one of the best ways to play the game. The appeal is to ppl who can’t afford great game rigs, but the game list wasn’t too great and you had to have great wifi
Yeah, but even in console, Cyberpunk can be choppy to play, normal cyberpunk plus the input lag would make it unbearable, I'd think
Another thing regarding stadia was that since its essentially a gaming streaming service it would basically be nearly impossible to pirate games. Something really good for companies. The downside is that it would kinda make moding games nearly impossible to. And if the game was a stadia exclusive then you better enjoy it while it's still in the servers. Because unless it gets a port for other platforms it would be impossible to emulate and therefore to preserve those games for future generations. So the day they decide that they don't want that game in the platform for whatever reason or when they decide to end the project you are left with nothing. And even assuming stadia was a succes for the coming decades it would eventually end like every company/country/organization.
this spiderman and elsa video is wild
I love how my Steam Link outlived Stadia.