The Amazing Race 14: Margie & Luke vs Keisha & Jenn Fight
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- These 2 teams don't like each other and in the end was a big blowout fight between the 2 teams at the finish line as Margie is not happy with how they treated them.
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I really appreciate how the host was unbiased and reasonable.
That's because he doesn't want to trash the deaf person and his protective mother, but he knows damn well what actually happened. She didn't shove him.
You are making a big deal out of what happened a lot ago they apologised it is now fine move on..
@@enricc1 same sentiments
2:55 clearly biased
Phil has also gotten kind of crappy in some seasons though. He's all about morals.
Lol Tammy and Victor are feeling soooo uncomfortable in the middle of all that
Josh Bensen and that old couple just smiling and eating while watching :D
I felt really sorry for Tammy and Victor for standing in the middle and hearing this massive fight between Margie and Luke and Kisha and Jen.
@Mr. Sahal E. M. Patel yes?
Tammy and victor should have walked away from the pit stop told the producers about the clue box incident and Keisha and Jen would have been disqualified automatically for been disrespectful about Luke’s disability.
I like how after they had that second encounter
the clue then says "WHO'S READY FOR SOME FOWL PLAY?" lmao
That made the whole thing funnier
lmao must've been awkward for tammy and victor hehe
mrwhoiamorwhatever I felt so bad for Tammy and Victor
Ikr. Them awkwardly standing there was the funniest part for me lmao
Tammy and Victor just minding their own business: 👁👄👁
Some people, like myself, accidentally laugh in uncomfortable or awkward situations. That’s all Kisha was doing, no one laughs at deaf people signing. Luke was also throwing a tantrum as a grown ass adult, so I would find it hard not to laugh.
@Mr. Sahal E. M. Patel Did you even watch the video?
@@a.jdeets5527 Its not that people are throwing tantrums, expression of anger has to be shown somehow without losing your mind and hurting the other person.
@@a.jdeets5527 Yes, and it's a valid question. The man can't hear and can't really speak; he's not throwing a tantrum.
I love what Phil just stands there and stares
I remember this episode! I miss these moments. I was on Kisha and Jen's side and will always be on their side. Luke got physical with Jen so that was that. Plus when Margie pulled the race card damn, that made me dislike their team. Glad they got their good karma
You don't come up behind a deaf person and go putting your hands on them not saying it was a shove she gave him but he reacted how any deaf person would.
@@63076topher that was violent af what the fuck are you talking about?
@@NobleRenegade7 It was about as violent as her shoving him. I mean come on. And like Chris mentioned he's deaf so imagine how startled you'd be if someone shoved you out of nowhere and you had no idea it was coming.
Deaf people react differently since their sense of hearing is impaired. I think Kisha and Jen were on the wrong here.
@@apollo1055 you guys are idiots I have def family members and I believe only biased people would think that Jen was violent . Luke clearly got aggressive first and not because he was deaf and deaf people react different no it was natural reaction to someone approaching his believe space . What was worse part is that Luke tried to use his handicap as if they were picking on him . But even worse was marge trynna bring up wing black as a comparison . Read between th lines some people see what they want to see .
If Luke wasn't deaf everyone would obviously be on Kisha and Jen's side...Margie and Luke were in the wrong.
+Anna Jolie it was just a sexual harassment to me, while he was pushing Jen with his dXXX
No Jen and Kisha were you don't come up behind a deaf or blind person and go putting your hands on them because they don't know what is happening.
Chris Humble nah they were both going for the box Luke was pushing also it’s a game if they were both going for the box there shouldn’t be separate rules for people in the same competition
@@hunterdvs6535 It is not a rule for the competition it is a every day rule. How is someone who is deaf to know who is grabbing at them from behind? That could be dangerous for the person who is deaf to not react to someone touching them from behind them.
@@mayechka he's gay
I really can't stand Margie and Luke.
Jen: "Bitch"
Luke: "It's not nice to call a deaf guy a bitch"
Luke then proceeds to call Kisha a bitch.,,,,, The irony is just too much.
+terrorsquadlith
You're a really sad excuse for a human, and what is wrong with America today!
+Brawl483 i agree, i watched the whole season, no one ever looked down on him as a deaf person, only they bought this up again and again, accusing people were discriminating him. and he was no gentlemen to push jen like that way...
@Sahal E. M. Patel " he was no gentlemen to push jen like that way" why you asked me the thing that i already stated ?
@Sahal E. M. Patel you dont. period.
Tammy and Victor be like: Jokes on both of you...we won!!
Lmao
Keisha and jen won afterwards on season 18
Really? That's soooo satisfying. Those monkeys were ridiculous
@wardomekingoffire3865 Yeah but they lost to the people they hated. Baboons
Honestly, I didnt like either team. Margie, I can't believe she compared being black to being deaf. Parent of a deaf child means being protective sure, but she strikes me as a toxic human being.
Margie brought up race! which is going TOO FAR!
Nah, I don't think it's going to far. I'm not on Margie and Luke's side on this one, but I'm not on Keisha and Jen's side either. They both did wrong things. Jen did push Luke too, called him a bitch, however, Luke did the exact same thing! So I say they're both in the wrong, and I do think Keisha laughed at him being deaf, the mumbling he made, and I think Margie, like any mother would, defended her son by placing them in the position in which they placed her son. Keisha is being ableist. I guess from my point of view, and I respect yours and others' as well, I think they were both terribly wrong. Which they have since admitted and, moved on. They actually helped each other out on the season in which Jen and Keisha won. I say if the teams involved got over it, so should the rest of the people.
Patroklos Alexander how did this become a black thing? you just showed your bias in the way you answered... comparing the actions of a deaf man to the actions of a teacher? then say " how come blacks can say things about other peopel". this was not about black this was about a deaf man pushing a woman! yes she is black and luke is not, but i wonder what your opinion would have been if keisha was white? would luke be wrong? would you reference that black teacher? help me to understans why what you just said doesn't exposed your racist insight. I am not calling you racist... i don't know you... but what you wrote is Racist!.
As a gay man, I often wonder why some black folks are okay with discrimination against gay people.
It's not a hard concept to wonder how one person living w discrimination would relate to someone else In a similar situation
@@TITANICLUSITANIA in a competition, if anthoer compeitior stands in your way of winning, what are you likely to do?
@@guyfierimtwi I’ll win fairly or lose fairly. If you are the type to be ruthless you’re the reason poverty, murder and deep economic inequalities exist in this world. Thankfully us newer generations aren’t putting up with that type of mentality. It’s not okay. Don’t be racist, ableist, homophobic, and don’t exploit. It isn’t cute.
I find it funny how Tammy &Vic were trying to make it very nice at the beginning
Log Chi I feel sorry Tammy & Vic for being in the middle of this
From what I saw, the 1st they both were running so fast & I felt Jen put her hand on his back to stop herself from crashing into him. She was lucky she didn’t get elbowed in the face. The second one, they both were running so fast, but I saw Luke stretched out his arm under her arm as if he wanted to stop her from being in front of him.
I think it was all an accident because Luke's elbow shove to Jen was just a reflex and the 2nd one at the RoadBlock was where they both probably stumbled into each other.
I actually feel sorry for Tammy & Victor for having to witnessed that argument at the pitstop.
In season 18 Keisha and Jenn did apologize for calling Luke a bitch
Honestly I think the whole thing was a huge misunderstanding. I personally am hard of hearing and understand how frustrating it is when trying to communicate with others. It is understandable that Luke is frustrated. He can only communicate fluidly with his mother. So when the argument happened he communicated his frustration and anger and all of his other feelings by being expressive. This is not a tantrum this is him expressing himself.
I agree with this
I cannot believe Margie is tolerating her son pushing a girl! Clearly, Luke is the one pushing Keisha (or is it Jenn)...TWICE! He pushed her into the clue box! And he calls HER a "bitch" after he complained about her calling HIM a "bitch"??? Jeez! Phil should've said "Well, we have it all on video. Why don't we watch the footage and see what actually happened?" That would've shut Margie and Luke up! Can't stand that they're back!
It's Jen and you are right. Margie handled it all wrong.
What a bunch of sexists. You are making it sound like being a girl is a disability. The don't push a girl rule is just sexist. Yes I do agree Luke shouldn't have done that but you are basically saying being a girl is a disability and it is equivalent to a deaf man.
@@aftershock4g poor thing not defending those who were right. Even Phil kjows what’s going on here
Then she plays the race card and compared being black to being disabled. WILDDDDD.
That would have shut Kisha and Jen up, not Margie and Luke. Luke was 100% in the right; he cannot hear Jen behind him and reacted naturally to someone coming up behind him and essentially attacking him.
i'm disabled but margie strikes me as a mega karen here
Poor Tammy and Victor, caught in the middle
Margie comparing being deaf to being Black is insane. Margie is the biggest weight around his neck.
The Chinese couple smiling and drinking tea while watching the fight sent me 💀
Kisha even apologized for any offence she may have caused if her laughing was construed as making fun of Luke for his deafness.
Things got heated between Keisha & Jen with Margie & Luke at the time. They all eventually regret it after
Tammy and Victor and the two people eating were like right in the middle of this mess. I would of done the same and not get into the argument
You can obviously see Luke push her.. so idk why he played victim
This was pretty amazing though. Best part was the couple enjoying the show with their meal. Hehe, awesome Pit Stop Greeters!
poor victor and tammy, they're like a child at the diner table when their parents are arguing.
"He doesn't need it from people like you..." How racist!
If you don’t know that saying “people like you” to an ethnic minority is racist, then I don’t know what to tell you, bro.
@Sahal in the very next sentence, Maggie said “as black people, you should know what it feels like blah blah blah....” so she WAS talking about their race when she said “people like you.” I’m sorry, but I’m not going to go back and forth over something that is common sense like this. Best wishes.
I mean didn’t Margie brought up something like „u should know how it feels because of your color“.. She kinda put skin color on the same level as a disability. That was quiet rude and not ok
Wheres the 'unedited version' CBS?
One of the best season of amazing race
That certainly is an opinion...
@Mr. Sahal E. M. Patel How exactly? The majority of the legs were so poorly designed and the winners (Victor) specifically was an abusive asshole.
I honestly feel bad for Tammy/Victor being in the middle of the confrontation... :(
She was laughing because Luke was acting like a five year old and he's a grown man.
Luke throwing hands with Jenn and Keisha would have been hilarious!
I never thought I would hate a deaf guy ever because of his situation...but Luke came...
The team in the middle of them lol.
Such a riveting moment. Loved both teams. 😢
tammy and victor: 👁️👄👁️
that was obvious. She meant that being black means being treated differently (moreso in the past then now) and she is saying being deaf means living a life of being treated differently as well.
Omg, I remember watching this intense episode. 😮
when the two chinese people sitting at the pitstop were eating the noodles i would of said dinner and a show!
To Sahal E. M. Patel who continues to provide the worst damage control I've ever seen: Bad sportsmanship and poor manners are never an excuse for a disability.
Imagine that you in tammy and victor situation and you witness two team fighting, naging each other.. Awkward situation
Let's look at the Karma.
Luke gets bit by a fish.
Kisha and Jenn finished 4th because of the bathroom.
Margie and Luke came 8th in Unfinished Business and All-Stars
Kisha and Jenn won Unfinished Business.
Kisha and Jenn were right :3 (Karmas answer)
My answer: Margie and Luke were right.
Amazing how karma worked in Unfinished Business not only with these two...
JAIME/CARA: Jaime says China sucks in s14, they get eliminated in China in s18.
RONALD/CHRISTINA: Ronald bickered about the poster in Mumbai, India in s12. They get eliminated in Varanasi, India in s18.
AMANDA/KRIS: Complained about being U-Turn in s14. Automatically U-Turned in the start of the leg in s18.
GARY/MALLORY: Map problems in s17, navigation problems in the final leg.
Treat others the way everyone wants to be treated, ok? That is so not like them.
Margie doesn't even know their names... she yells "KISHA!" when its Jen and Luke who got into the confrontation.
Confrontations like this; I wouldn’t take both sides honestly. Firstly the shoving and pushing out of each other’s way, then name callings here and there. I say both are in the wrong regardless.
Exactly
Luke was wrong but he was young. But the mom saying Keisha was wrong and egging the whole fight on was disappointing. And for Luke to say If i would've seen her call me that it would've been on... what does that mean?
Why was his butt poked out? Bruh his competitive spirit led to all of this.
Watch closely at 2:04. Luke goes for the box first, Jen practically jumps on top of him and he instinctively shoves her out of the way. Luke got there first, this was the sisters' fault.
Another thing to consider being deaf- when someone physically encroaches or even shoves you it is startling. and imagine being in a foreign country where you are already the odd man out.
The drama was mainly an misunderstanding. I think they were ALL caught like in the heat of the motion and the competition.
Pause at 2:19 Phil has the 'WTF' look! LOL
I liked all the teams this season
Jen & Kisha got their good karma and finally won. I think that one was really satisfying and also the best way to say "beyotch" right to the spoiled kid's face. :P
Poor Tammy and Victor right in the middle of this
Gotta love it!! Good one!!
Them asians be like…
It's clear here that it's not Jen's fault. I understand that Luke is deaf, but he acted like a spoiled brat here.
@Sahal E. M. Patel He wanted to put the blame on Jen.
@Sahal E. M. Patel he acted like a spoiled brat by trying to make it seem that they were making fun of him when they continually told him they were not
@Sahal E. M. Patel maybe that’s ok the first time, but after the fifth time of them including Phil explaining that they weren’t making fun of him and he still chooses to see that they were that’s when he deserved to be looked at as a brat
You know what, Luke is not a brat, maybe he has autism-like I have, you have no right to call him a brat, you are a person that never appreciates special ED People. If anyone is being a meanie spoiled brat, it is you. Jerkoff
It's clear that it's entirely Jen's fault. The video shows her coming up behind him...which he can't hear. Luke did nothing wrong.
3:07 did Margie really say that?!
I think the two shoving incidents could have been a misunderstanding that got
Actually, Kisha/Jen called Elimination Station in this season after their Beijing elimination. The eliminated teams all wished they had won instead of any of the final 3... in season 18, their wish came true. So it kind of is a karma-tic season.
I honestly wasn't a big fan of the cowboys in season 16 as I was cheering for Jody/Shannon, Dana/Adrian, and Steve/Allie to reach the final 3, Jet/Cord were very cool in Unfinished Business though to make up for it. :)
Luke thinks he can be treated fairly just because he is deaf. I don't like them
Tammy & Victor just stands their doing nothing. XD
But why did Luke (or Margie for that matter) not tell his side of the story after Kisha and Jen did? Phil even asked them to do so, yet they kept talking about discrimination and how Kisha and Jen are laughing at Luke. Why not address the actual dispute at hand? I have not dog in this fight, but I am just curious about this.
Probably because the know they were in the wrong and played the deaf card.
i love both teams! but honestly they both did something wrong! no one go off on Luke please
It's a race and emotions sometimes get the best of people. If I remember Luke is very emotional and sometimes comes across as being mean. This is from the both season's he's been on.
Because he is mean and the second he's challenged he always plays the "people don't like me cause I'm deaf card."
@@NobleRenegade7 He is spoiled. Yes, I understand that he is deaf, but he acted like a spoiled brat here.
It shows clearly that it's not Jen's fault.
@@miloseviczarko45 No, it doesn't. It shows clearly that it's entirely Jen's fault.
I was glad when Luke and his mom got kicked off the show.
Luke was so annoying and what's funny is that my sister actually has a friend who's friends with him in real life. She's deaf as well.
this is season what ??
Watching this again after all these years still makes me mad that Luke and his mother used his deafness as an excuse for his poor behavior!Please smile and laugh in tense or uncomfortable situations!Being almost elbowed in the face by a guy though then shoved! Unacceptable!
That is an incredibly toxic and ignorant thing to say. You CANNOT make that assumption based on one argument. Claiming that Luke and Margie do that is a serious allegation based on no evidence. To casually insinuate that is woefully immature. It says more about your character than it does theirs.
Don't come up behind someone who can't hear. Jen was entirely in the wrong.
@@danangell5482 So what happens when they go to say India or some populated country and lots of people come behind him unexpectedly? Those excuses need to stop.
@@Flourish_today That’s not an excuse, that’s reality. The ignorance needs to stop.
They were laughing at people throughout the whole race. They were 100% laughing because Luke talks weird. No doubt in my mind.
Both teams need to chill out
Kisha & Jen won the argument. *lol how tammy and victor are just standing there*
@10respect yes. your right dude. i was saying nobody should make fun of anyone!!
2:11 omg lol
nope he's dead ,but thanks for your concern.
The first time she ran into luke and he shoved her out of the way and the second time it looks like he ran into her but he took a step back with his hands up. I think that was lukes way of saying sorry. Both teams shouldnt have been mad at first because she barged into luke and he pushed her off. I think he definitely had a reason to be mad because he was called a bitch and was giving him serious attitude at the pitstop
I am in neither side. In the first clue Jen accidentally pushed luke, making luke think she meant it on purpose and shoved her away, jen also thought that was a threat also threatening him. In the second clue box Jen accidently tripped over lukes leg which made luke push against her, but luke backed away expressing that he didnt mean to do it. It's a competition you guys, neither of them were right or wrong, the atmosphere was intense and ppl start being aggressive.
i friggin hate luke i was on kisha and jen's side ngl
ugh, I can't believe they are back AGAIN
KamFord And yet lost again. Hahaha. That's shameful actually. We should laugh.
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Tammy and Victor look like they weren't there...
Margie's comment pointing out how Keisha and Jen should understand Luke's struggles cause they are black is just so far out and viewing this in 2020 is like what was Margie even thinking when those words left her mouth.
TBH, all four of these remaining teams ticked me off by the time they reached the legs in China. Tammy & Victor for their tiring argument in Romania and their petty note to Kisha & Jen in the next leg, Jaime especially who treated nearly every task local like street trash and proceeded to demoralize them for not understanding English, and I absolutely cannot stand Luke's victim mentality even though he can't verbally voice his opinion.
@Sahal E. M. Patel Tammy & Victor decided to write "sorry, we can't outrun you" on Kisha & Jen's photo on their U-Turn board. I feel like it was better off had they not wrote anything. The sisters knew they were stiff competition. A note was just flat-out unnecessary and petty. And what are you trying to say about defending Jaime and Luke's behavior?
@Sahal E. M. Patel Jaime was literally mean to 90% of the taxi drivers she's ever seen on the race simply because she's painstakingly impatient. Also, Luke always relied on Margie to console him whenever things didn't go his way emotionally. He didn't exactly think for himself when he was on the race.
@Sahal E. M. Patel It's obvious to me that you are trying to change my opinion because you can't stand seeing it. It's not swaying. Since when is being overly snarky direct and clear? 💀 And of course Jaime would back up Cara, they have a close bond and are great friends. Moreover, whenever things didn't go Luke's way, he always complained to Margie instead of dealing with it himself. He passed the monkey to her even during the Guilin Pit Stop.
@Sahal E. M. Patel Do not twist my words, Sahal.🙄 Cara's great, I just don't like the way Jaime handled so many situations with navigation and locals with so much aggressive impatience. And if things didn't go Luke's way, then he shouldn't be a baby and should've dealt with his dramatics himself. Even Margie was kind of fed up with him doling on him by the end of it if you don't remember the second half of the Beijing leg. If you're trying to make them likeable to me to appease your ego, then you're gonna have a tough time doing so, cookie.
You can definitely tell she’s prejudice towards black people after that little comment she made
i cant hear you!
And as the mother of a Deaf son, respect and being treated as an equal is something they don't get. Good example is the postings on here
I bet TAR18 would of been an akward reunion between these two.
IT'S MY TURN TO TALK NOW!
poor Tammy and victor
Redmond from season 29 makes this guy look awful. Redmond lost his leg and is an amputee but you wouldn't even know it. He doesn't let it define him. He doesn't pull out the victim card or whine or complain about his disability. He plays the game with the same advantages as everyone else, as if he's got two working legs. Watching season 29 I totally forgot that he was an amputee because he was such a force and never harped on his disability or made it a problem; he went on to dominate and was a top player regardless of his disability. He never once used it as an excuse or a crutch. This is because he didn't see himself as a victim but as a winner. That's the difference between him and Luke. Redmond doesn't dwell or let his disability get him down because it doesn't. He used his circumstance as an opportunity to rise up and be better. He didn't let it defeat him. That's inspiring. So Luke and his mom should learn from people like Redmond. Luke needs to stop seeing himself as a victim and his mom needs to stop seeing and treating him like a victim. They need to somehow learn to draw inspiration from his disability and rise up. Whatever horrible fate, circumstance, or challenge life throws at you, stand up to it and don't let it make a victim out of you. Come out of it better! That's the silver lining.
Phillip Larson Yes. So does Zev in season 15 who has aspergers syndrome. He is seen as normal and he also plays like Redmond. Adrian from the Amazing Race Asia is also deaf and at least he does not act like Luke. Those three players Zev, Radmond, and Adrian play fair and they made it far
@@kaiwenshi9407 Sarah from season 10 too. She's also an amputee, but the drama she had with Peter never played the "disability" card.
Bethany from season 25 also is an amputee. She lost her arm in a shark attack.
she should NOT have brought race into this
It would have been even meaner if the two young ladies try sign language toward Luke and sign you are not the first team to the pit stop your third(put up three fingers) and almost eliminated (sign two arms X)!
I agree Luke over reacted but Jen was also wrong by calling him a bitch. Name calling is just as juvenile. But this was a long time ago so....whatever.
Its amazing how much of the story gets keft out, Luke! And how things get twised, Margie
@FrigidArtic FINALLY, someone who agrees with me, thank you 8D!
@tmla It was an attempt to maintain personal space, altho it was a pretty high elbow. BUT I mean why the hell was she all over Lukes back??? Oh cuz she lost the foot race, became frustrated and basically tried to physically move him out of the way, which is just not acceptable.
@killerband155 That would be an awkward reunion.
And the other teams also returning from this season are Jamie/Cara, Amanda/Kris and Mel/Mike.