BMW S1000XR vs. Ducati Multistrada 1200S
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- Lots of riders want the looks, comfort and mile-eating ability of an adventure bike but have no need for any off-road ability, hence the rise of the so-called 'street enduro'. The recently-updated Ducati Multistrada is a familiar member of this group but BMW have recently come to the party with their S1000R-engined XR model. Can German efficiency tick more boxes than Italian passion?
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LOL! After watching all of that, you guys come to that conclusion? Just goes to show, value stirs the pocketbook, but passion... passion stirs the heart! Well done!
great review covering all the angles
After your test of Yamaha MT09 Tracer I decide to buy it. And today I made first 70km and I would like to thank you for great job. This bike is awesome as you said. It is like date with Jessica Alba with 40 years old man. Thanks for that :)
Great job guys had a good laugh. !!!
I want to see more of those blueberry specially between Africa twin vs BMW 800 vs 1190R
BTW regarding styling, yes, the red Multi is the way to go. It's a striking bike. The BMW looks like someone found a collection of parts that looks sort of like a Multistrada.
You guys are great!
Btw- Ducati claimed hp of 160, when dyno came up at 130hp, BMW 152 rwhp. A lot has happened in 2 years. No more vibration, now 165 hp, hard to even consider a multi now
yeah s1000xr puts down consistent 150-160hp to the wheel! serious power. Unless Yamaha makes an R1 based adventure bike, the bmw is the fastest.
Rod Rebman fingers crossed the multistrada v4 will have big power. 180-200hp hopefully.
Totally agree Ducati is something special.
Thanks for the video! I intend to buy an ADV bike this Spring, so simple reviews like this are helpful...I'm kinda leaning towards either the KTM 1290 Super Adventure or the revamped Triumph Tiger Explorer...I'd love to hear what your thoughts are on either/both. It might sound a bit funny, but when you mention that a bike is uncomfortable, can you mention for what reason? Such as a terrible seat (correctable), lack of leg room (also possibly correctible), etc. Thanks again...
One more comment - the outgoing MTS1200 S Touring can be bought used with low miles and fully kitted for 25-30% less than a comparably equipped XR or the DVT version. This was what I chose. $15,500 USD with 1500 miles, crash bars, fog lamps included. I added the touring seat and top box for another $800. No regrets.
Ducati, hands down. I rode both of these bikes before deciding on the Ducati. The BMW has no soul, no character, and reminded me of a Japanese motorcycle (which I own a few of). I really wanted to like the BMW, but just couldn’t. The Ducati...that sound, that V-Twin grunt. And the Ducati is fierce looking, my friends have dubbed it “the angry dragon”. Can’t get enough of riding it!
One of the more entertaining reviews of two of the best ADV bikes on the planet... also still applicable since both bikes have only seen tweaks since last year.
The XR is NOT an adv bike. LOL
@@valensinclair6750 Under BMW Motorad it's classified as one...
Thks
Awesome!
Last word.. Ducati, Buy anyway... make me big laughing, and u both are real man with real bike
Can you gentlemen comment on how the new variable valve motor compares to the predecessor 1200?
The first time I saw a Multi I told myself I'd definitely own one eventually. But when it came to the time part with my hard earned, I actually went for the XR ... and I don't regret it, not for a second. All in all it's the better bike. Not by millions of miles - but it is better (and cheaper).
It definitely isn't a better Trail, it's a better sportive, but those are not sportive. That's the problem.
XR is very comfortable hooligan bike. Should be ridden in dynamic mode immediately after brake-in period is finished.
I got the gen2 xr and yes must be kept in dynamic pro mode all the time. And you need to ride it like you stolen it
Review the MT09, I know you did the Tracer but I'm looking at an MT09!
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I have a 2011 Duc and rented a XR in Italy for a week! i loved it the clutch less shifting is great once you get use to it especially down hill into a sharp hair pin!! With the wife on the back it handled great and sometimes i forgot she was back there!! Power was good even down low which was surprising! things i did not like was the kick stand is too short!! and the engine put off alot of heat when idling! My Multistrada is lighter and with the full Tergomoni system and re flash of the ecu i think its just as fast and more fun to ride with that big rush of midrange! So for now that i have a bike that is paid for i will wait until i am ready for a different bike and buy a XR that has a few miles on it ! 22 k for a bike is crazy!! ill let someone else take the 50% depreciation!
Bob, just getting to watch & read this review... I own a 2010 MTS also with race map & full Termi. Each time I ride I can't think how the S1000XR can possibly be a better bike. Low to mid-range through about 7K is ridiculous enough for me and I would never trade this off. Since she's paid for I'm hoping to wait 3 yrs and see if I can find a used MTS with the V4 (reading into rumors to much probably :o)!
LETS SEE IT!
Kawa gtr1400 had one variable cam years ago.
I bought a low kilometre 2016 Multistrada 1200S and it certainly was a nice bike to ride but I sold it after 7 months as I had nothing but problems with it. Add to that ridiculous maintenance costs it is just not worth it. I bought a Yamaha Tracer 900GT and and do not regret it for 1 minute, the Tracer is an awesome bike!!!
It's funny because I've had 2 Ducati 696 and 796 Monster and a BMW R1200R 2013 and when I have to compare the 2 brands I'd say I'd choose Ducati from the heart and BMW from the head.
A bit like they're doing at the end. :)
Engine rating goes to the Ducati. Really? When I consider an Engine rating, I consider response/HP/Torque/power curve/HP to ground, vibration/sound/etc. Maybe you are considering other or different?
what gimbals mount easily ?
i think you said it wrong "multistrada is the first motorcycle to have variable valve" honda have it ages ago and it called Vtec. but if you said it for ducati only, i'm totally agree with you. Just my honest opinion. Sorry if i'm wrong. but anyway, i'm really enjoyed for you review, keep it up!!
And the Kawasaki Concours 14/GTR1400 has had VVT since 2007.
What about maintenance cost? That's a big omission.
Belle
Bmw s100xr.the king!! Absolutely..
Can't unsee the Ducati "nose tumor" now.
Add an 80 bucks heavy bar ends to BMW and all vibes stop and the only complain goes away. The engine on BMW just owns Ducati, look at acceleration figures.
Is that really all it takes? I'm considering the S1000XR and the one thing stoping me from pulling the trigger is the vibrations issue.
All these complaints were very minor. But I guess they should be for that kind of green.
Ducati... Touring model includes panniers. Ducati, better dash even on the prior version. Ducati has more suspension travel, wider range of adjustments via the ride modes. Handling is better on the XR. XR has more top end power. Pillion is better on the Ducati. Build quality... BMW has a bunch of odd plastic seams around the front fairing, the frame finish is better on the Ducati. Clutch is better on the Multi as are the levers. Gear shift assist is brilliant on the BMW but it's not necessary for this class and the Ducati gearbox is very good regardless.
Better comparison than the video these guys did. Thank you!
my 2008 concours has variable valve timing...
having owned a 2011 multistrada, and now a 2016 model, i can honestly say they have ruined the engine. Plus your comment well the new Ducati is much better than the old one with performance, well that may sell new bikes but the truth is very different. My new ms, broke down at 700 miles, it continues to go into limp mode after 1600 miles with issues with the valve train. I now have returned the bike in limp mode 3 times, i have lost all looks on the motorcycle, and if it continues i am going to get a lawyer involved as i want out of it. $21000 usd fancy garden ornament. Yes its fast, yes it handles, yes it stops, but sadly i cant rely on it anymore.
the best multi is the 2012 model i think
Garry Thomas Cant decide between multistrada dvt and the new s1000xr. Can i i know your thoughts a year later?
RBG almost got one for 12k usd
Garry Thomas any chance your running gasoline with ethanol? I have a 2016 MultiStrada, 7k and zero issues. I use non ethanol premium gas 90% of the time. Just curious and thanks
Sure you'd buy it, everyone wants to own a Ducati.... The trouble is actually living with it...
WarDogTheAwesome what's the problem? 195.000 miles on my 1991 900ss. , 197.000 miles on my 2001 ST2. And now 40.000. On the multistrada bought used with 41.000 on it !😄😄😄 you had drama with yours ? Or is that what you've heard ?
BMW !
I wish he MTS had cam chains like the Panigale instead of belts
Yrah the desmo service is ultra expensive
BMW R1200RS ??
I dumped my MV for the Duc. In white
As someone that has been trying to decide between the two , you have helped me to decide..............Nope, you havent lol..... aluisious has somewhat by atating you can dial out the Ducati squirming in mid bend... as the BMW is so planted in the twisties, mountain passes & fast bends.... Would love the Ducati to have a similar Bosch quick shifting auto blipper as the BMW though....
BMW TC is great but is so ON OFF wheras the Ducata has the 7 or 8 stage TC which is great for keeping shiny side up when being greedy with the throttle....... Build quality wise, I fellt the BMW had a load of cheap feeling plastics, handguards, trim round the massive rad & cooler for example.....
I am abit unsure of the DVT and how that will pan out when the bike is out of warranty.... in fact both bikes rider aids have yet to prove their durability especially in cold wet Scottish winters & both service costs are something to think about....... The vibrations are real ( 3000 k ) of riding proved that, but from what i have read can be dialed out .....
If i had the readies i would buy them both for sure but as i cant i will have to choose.... belt driven cams v hyvo driven and inline four V L twin will be the main decision to make.......
By March 2016 i will have decided & im sure i will have researched, experienced enough & bite the bullet ... My riding season means a lot as it does all of us.... wish me good fortune lads & thanks for healping me to continue t weigh up my options
Have a grand New Year.
Gogs.
Well my dad bought a 2015 multi S in may from glasgow, and we travelled all the way to Italy and we are using the bike even now with 0 to 5 degrees outside. I own a monster and I am freezing, while he is just cruising and when he gets off it he is never cold or sore, so I'd say pretty good winter bike ;)
+Gogs Alba In bikes as closely matched as this, I'm not sure there really is a right or wrong answer. The secret is to narrow down your choices based on reputable media reviews (that'd include us, btw) and get a test ride.
Bikes, unlike cars, have reviews that are much more susceptible to human shape and size, and so a great bike for me, might be a complete arse of a thing for you.
Not that I'm trying to talk myself out of a job, or anything.
Yup,Persoanal choice is always there but good, honest ride reviews help ... a lot Reputable reviews do include you guys by the way :-) , I dont think a short demo does it for me though, im looking to get a hire weekend with the Ducati... that would really cut the mustard. Im waiting until March though, hopefully road salt will have cleared by then..
+Gogs Alba And I can't believe I'm thinking I might relocate to Europe. South Africa: Sun all year and roads to die for (obviously not literally (and more apologies for the need to put a disclaimer on everything)).
Gogs Alba And you decide to buy the bmw or ducati?
Why didn't they do any off roading?
Off roading the Multistrada is silly... I mean, technically it is capable of it but it's meh...Same goes for the XR
BMW S1000XR vs. Ducati Multistrada 1200S
i bought the s1000xr ..... .The s1000xr is equiped with all new Continental optimized braking curve system (first bike to have it).It sucks.The Motorcycle Integrated Brake system receives data from sensors which indicate the speed of both wheels, the roll and pitch rates and lateral acceleration, so the specialized onboard computer can determine the exact position of the bike. With 100 readings and calculations per second, the system knows exactly what’s happening with the bike’s stability factor in each moment and makes the necessary revisions .The result is that the system knows how to modify the brake pressure applied by the driver at the deployment at the beginning of braking, .Thus the differnet brake feeling in diffrent speed lean an angles ......boy s1000xr brake system sucks.
PS:I am owner and quick shift also needed re-callibration every 2000 miles with rare use.
DONT go for the s1000(X)r except if you want electronics to drive for you
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What? I’ve done 33000 miles on my XR and never have experienced what you’ve described.
out the engine of the bmw on the ducati and you will have the perfect motorcycle
It's like the eternal question of 911 or some Ferrari. Sure the 911 is probably a much better daily drive and as easy as driving a VW Golf and super reliable. But oh the feeling of driving that Ferrari..
Great debate, comes down to L twin(ha ha) or in line four. They both look awful and are overpriced.
Honda VFR 800 the first with variable valves years ago, and no one liked it.
Well, my 2010 Multistrada was a piece of garbage. Never again. So XR for me.
Why You say that?You Had issues?
XR all the way
The Ducati still is the best "Road" Trail. The BMW just is a s1000rr with """trail""" pieces.
And in my opinion the Ducati is so much better looking lol.
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This is my personal opinion...
BMW is superior in most of the fields where both the bikes can ride. BMW is more capable as the engine, the frame is more precision for stability and handling, seat position, quality range of the accessories. Last but not least, is the first project of BMW-MOTORRAD in this category! For my personal opinion is more confidence in riding sport mode but less for long distance cause of the vibrations around 120-130 km/h are too strong, exactly the cruising velocity for most of the people :'(. Ducati is loved for the twin-engine, for the "fashion" of the style, maybe, but the dashboard is less readable as it could be in a first look. Ugly vibrations of the castle of the windshield was running me crazy for most of the time, and come on, the quality, where is it for that amount of money?!?
Finally, I tried both. BMW for an entire day-trip in Tuscans roads, up and down the hills and mountains, some off road tracks too, fast freeways and I was enthusiastic of the agility and power of the engine. Never been so confident on a bike on my first try as it was with this one. I've got the opportunity to ride the Ducati for en entire day too, but after 5 mins that I was on it, I would like to return the bike immediately. I gave it a second chance riding for few hours, but honestly I'd really like to know the people who says that DUCATI is superior, really!!!
Of Course I've got a '14 ZZR1400se but I would not be bad the BMW as the second bike beside KAWA, or, better a KTM?!?! I'm bit confuse! :P
LAMPS to AUSTRALIANS BIKERS from ITALY, visit the king country of best roads for bikers in the world!!! (believe it or not)!!!
I like that you guys are basically the first bike reviewers with the balls to say the obvious: the S1000XR basically copied the Multistrada.
It's annoying to watch the idiot reviewers try to pretend to be objective or fair or god knows what their idea is, and act like the S1000XR popped into a BMW designers head magically while he was having a shower. FFS, we all know BMW marketing demanded it.
Why the fuck would you go with a Ducati, risking to die on you when you least expect it?! BMW all the way.
I would take the Africa Twin adventure over these.
Ducati looks way better but the seat is horrible!
Ducati servicing costs !!!!! absolutely ridiculous.For me this alone makes the BMW a clear winner.
this guys are crazy! never buy the bmw, same deal the ktm Duke gt is way better and faster! for me the ktm 1290 AD is the best deal out there allround! like travel fast? get the zzr1400 and rise the bar up. forget the boats
Multistrada copying Caponord.
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ducati are not efficient at all, and if you need do some maintenance by your self you will be tired
ducati is worst moto i ever had
This video is full of nonsense and contradictions, I laugh mostly when you called yourselves 'professionals.'
Thanks for the constructive input Ari, at least we made you laugh. You must be a serious and imposing intellect, and obviously professional beyond measure. Try relaxing a bit, you might make some friends, and become adult enough not to throw insults around like a hormonal teenager. Have a great New Year, and we hope 2016 allows you to further develop your amazing social skills and your burgeoning career as a troll. Might, though, need to work on not mixing your tenses quite so hideously, that way you'll come across as older and wiser than the window-licking teenager you appear to be.
+The Bike Show you made my day grate answer, thank you lol!!!!
+The Bike Show Fantastic retort! :-D
+The Bike Show Apologies, I agree i have poor social skills, still doesn't change the fact that your review is done poorly and it's far from the very important facts for both bikes. Happy New Year to you as well.
+Ari Hess No worries, and thanks for the reply. Just out of interest, what sort of info were you looking for?
Very low level review....
terrible..
Ducati is nothing more than a poser bike.