@ I don’t think so, the same ways it’s been Georgia and Alabama as dominant football programs in the SEC, I think you just add Texas and Tennessee to the dominant football program conversation. Don’t think Alabama takes the backseat though. Especially with Coach DeBoer, he’s even said it’ll take a few years to implement his offensive style at Alabama. Thats just a nice way to put that Jalen milroe does not fit his offensive playbook and he’s waiting on Milroe to leave. That’s my honest opinion about it
If SMU is ranked #7 or #8 in the latest CFP, I don’t know how you leave them out for an SEC team ranked four or five spots behind them who didn’t make it to a conference championship (if SMU loses to Clemson).
Yeah, but the problem is that then you’re penalizing teams for making it to their conference championship and having to play that extra game. And, you’re favoring teams that didn’t make it to their conference championship as they can just sit by and wait for someone else to screw up. I agree that the fact that one of the bubble teams SC just beat Clemson who is now playing SMU adds a layer of drama that makes this whole thing interesting.
For weeks EVERYONE said 'can't punish a team that made it to their Championship Game' BUT NOW that an SEC or BIG 10 team isn't in danger of being left out the script is flipped and now IF SMU loses Folks don't think that they are in..... What happened to no punishing someone who made the Conference Championship Game?
UGA is not guaranteed to be in the playoffs if they lose to Texas. So just leave the Bulldogs out of your equation. The Bulldogs have lost twice to Alabama (last year #1) twice and LSU once and were dropped from the final 4 in favor of lesser deserving teams. You never heard a bulldog fan say anything about the conference championship game.
@haydenmccary9679 Bama got those dubs early in the season and then proceeded to lose to Vandy & Oklahoma as huge favorites. SC is the better team right now hands down. By that logic let’s throw in Northern Illinois over Notre Dame and Michigan over Ohio State
@@skylercrabtree3108 and that doesn’t change the fact that Bama has a H2H win. Also NIU doesn’t have the same record and more ranked wins than Notre Dame (unlike bama over SC) Additionally, by your logic we should put in Michigan over Ohio State cus ThEy’rE plAyInG bEtTer rIgHt NoW.
@@haydenmccary9679 SC is 6-0 in its last 6 games, they destroyed the Oklahoma team that dominated Alabama just 2 weeks ago. It’s circular so you need to look at what’s been going on recently
I've got the perfect solution people. Do away with the regular season and put all 134 teams in the playoffs. That will be fine with me. Just start the playoffs when the regular season would begin and it will end all speculation about who should be in or not. I know I am an idiot for suggesting something such as this but everyone should be happy to see their team in the playoffs. What do y'all think? Let's get this done!!
@@sebastienc.2257 The SC losses to Ole Miss and Bama are going to block them. It's going to be Alabama. Unless Clemson beats SMU in a close one, then it may very well be SMU.
@@drewc771 one more time I’ll write this Miami beat Florida, Ole Miss lost Miami beat USF (50-15) Bama (42-15) Bama beat Ole Miss The SEC argument is circular. The Miami argument is not.
@@sebastienc.2257 lol, I read it the first time. Do you really think just pointing at a couple games is all that matters? That's ridiculous. Everybody plays a 12 game schedule, not 2. Miami hasn't played a single team currently ranked in the top 25, while these other teams have played multiple games v top 25 teams. Their schedule is well below these other teams, based on not just common sense but all the available data. SEC argument is not circular. The argument that it's down is, though. The league is 13-6 against the other P4 conferences. All the other conferences are below .500 in the same statistic.
If the CFP had just done a straight up Sweet Sixteen. This wouldne even be a debate. Bama SC and OM would be in. These drama queens make everthing so stupidly complicated.
Tennessee absolutely should be ahead of ohio. You can't lose to mich favored by twenty, playing at home and expect to be rewarded. If a school is going to be anointed every year as the best ever they shouldn't be rewarded with a home game when they completely blow it. They new what they were playing for and who they were playing against and they folded, they don't deserve a home game.
In the college football playoff rankings every team that has lost to an unranked opponent has fallen a minimum of 5 spots. SMU, Miami, BYU and alabama. OSU shouldn't be any different this week according to their own metrix. If that's the case Tennessee should still get the nod as far as home game over osu. I would say though that all this could be irrelevant depending on who wins between the sec and big ten champ games and do they drop those losers down the list any. Say Oregon beats the breaks off of Penn St., then what? I think they will fall a little but how far? Same with UGA vs Texas. If Texas wins how far does UGA fall and vice versa.
They wont get in cuz they were 13 and you know anything. They’ll get in cuz they were 13 multiple of the 1-12 teams lost…dropping them below the 13 team…y’all wanna by so smart and can’t subtract.
Georgia tech took Georgia to 8 overtime and Syracuse has one of the best offenses in the nation. Close loses. Alabama, ad Ole miss got smoked by unranked teams.
@@jasondavis257close losses is the argument? To Georgia Tech and Syracuse? If UGA would have lost to Tech they could still win the SEC championship game and get in but no UGA would want to go after losing to Tech like Miami did. What about the close wins Miami was fortunate and lucky to win!? Doesn't fit your narrative huh?
Just cause a teams Not ranked doesn’t make them a team w out a pulse. Look at how good the acc really was this season. Plus we lost 2 games by 3/4 but these other teams like bama get ASS WHOPPINGS and still get a hall pass.
BYU should be ranked above Miami (better strength of schedule), Alabama (no 3-loss team should be in this thing), and Boise State ("quality loss" is diminished by barely winning in the MWC).
The only 3 loss teams that should be in is of course if they win their conference championship. I completely agree, BYU should be in over Alabama, Miami, etc
@ BYU had a much better strength of schedule than Miami, including a win over SMU. Yet because of eastern brand-bias, they are on the outside while Miami is a lock. It’s not just records. Did you watch Alabama lose to Vandy? Did you see them score an anemic 3 points in their ugly loss to Oklahoma? It’s not about record…it’s about brand bias.
@@danjohnson8556 well you got in parentheses "no 3 loss team should be in this thing" which tells me you are not considering Strength of Schedule. So if UGA ( #1 sos) loses to Texas in the SEC championship game and gets their third loss they are not in?
@ I wasn’t talking about UGA. I was talking about Bama. And you assume that the brands in the SEC are always going to be tougher than other leagues. Like I said, brand-bias. Money and brand get Bama in, not merit. The whole point of the playoff should be to find out across conferences who is the champ. 3 losses should be too many to make any kind of claim.
1st round Byes: 1) Oregon. 2) Georgia. 3) Boise St. 4) Ariz St Bama is first team out. 5) N Dame hosts Ohio St 6) Clem hosts Tenn 7) Tex hosts I-U 8) Penn St hosts SMU
SEC doesn’t need 3 teams just two so no SC BAMA or Tennessee , big 12 deserves multiple playoff spots because oh how the top teams haven’t play each other except BYU ASU & since the conference record is literally tied unlike the rest if these conferences
If Clemson beats SMU, then SMU should be in over Bama, Ole Miss, or SC. A loss in a championship games shouldn’t penalize a team as much as a loss(es) to an unranked team(s) in the regular season.
@@DcBjørnson I can understand smu over ole miss or Alabama but usc went into Death Valley and lanorris sellers made those fans and defense his bitch. He was also out for the end of the lsu game which is even more of a reason to include them because we would be 8-2
SC Argument: 6 wins straight to close out the year including 4 teams that are or were ranked. The losses were competitive with exception of the ole miss game in which they were game scripted out of it. The LSU game, Sellers got injured with they were cruising up 2 possessions in the first half + the officiating directly took away a score within 2 minutes that would have led to a SC win. SC had an opportunity to beat bama at home on the last play. Bama and ole miss have much worse losses although they both have the best win (against Georgia). Head to head should matter but the committee stated only for comparable teams and right now bama and ole miss are inconsistent, decent teams. SC has played and won consistently against better competition in the back half of the schedule.
Counter Argument: SC lost to a team that lost to Vandy and got blown out by OU. They got blown out by a team who lost to UK. Bama and Ole Miss having bad losses doesn't make SC look better since they LOST to both of them. It's ridiculous to try justifying putting SC over two teams who beat them and have the same record.
@IEmulateGames thats a bad argument to have. For example, with that rationale, if smu loses they should be out bc they lost to byu who lost to kansas. Transitive property should be kept in math and away from football bc the teams evolve and change over the season. The SC that lost to Ole Miss/Bama would likely beat them today if they played. The games matter but your performance in the game and every game matters more
These talking heads make no sense, on one hand they say the season is over and if your top 12 your in but then at the same time a conference loss you could be out
@@sebastienc.2257 You say that and it's funny like Georgia didn't have a bunch of starters out and are now playing a bunch of freshman this year keep making a narrative for other teams that don't have the same SOS as Georgia it's laughable. I'm sure all teams have players out, but for a 12 team playoff it's a game of attrition build your roster to sustain throughout the season.
How do you have SMU in the bracket at 3 as a conference Champ, then Miami in the bracket at 12 as a conference champ? They are both in the ACC. In this scenario the Big 12 conference champ would be at 12 and Miami would be placed somewhere else depending on their rank. Basically, in this scenario Miami and Arizona State would be swapped.
Ole Miss have the best resume of 3 loss team. This is a good argument. Ole Miss beat South Carolina 24 pts on road. Ole Miss beat Georgia 18 pts on home. Ole Miss beat Georgia humiliated Clemson 34-3 that South Carolina barely beat them. Ole Miss beat South Carolina and Georgia far better than Alabama did. Ole Miss does not have a blowout loss that Alabama and South Carolina have. South Carolina couldn’t get touchdown against Ole Miss. Alabama couldn’t get a touchdown against Oklahoma that Ole Miss beat them by double digits. Ole Miss’s losses is 13 points combined. South Carolina and Alabama have way more than Ole Miss have.
People need to stop advocating for SC. They lost to Bama AND Ole Miss. I don't care if they're the hottest team right now, they shouldn't jump over two teams WHO BEAT THEM. SC should've won if they wanted to be in.🤷
People also need to remember SC got screwed by the refs in that LSU game. That’s the real elephant in the room here. I don’t expect us to get in either way.
Half of B10 do not have a winning record, but 3 of top 4? If Committee refuses to state what is needed?? WHY?? Then they must GO! SEC Championship Playoff $20M NIL each school BONUS no Committee!! The Committee will PROVE thier Bias tonight when OSU does not drop 9 spotslike GA did. Must be a standard!
This is not the 4-team CFP. This is the 12-team CFP and the conference championship games will play a HUGE role in the final rankings. Yes, there will be movement. Dennis Dodd is clueless.
Should be 3 sec, 3 big 10 and 2 big 12…ASU had a loss against Cincinnati away, which was close and they did not have their starting qb due to injury so could easily be 11-1….Iowa st and BYU all 10-2…SMU’s loss was against BYU
Will only hold true if Clemson loses the ACC championship. SMU should make it, win or lose, but if Clemson wins, it takes away a spot from a bubble team
Indiana, PSU played garbage schedules. If UT, Bama, Ole Miss, or SC play their schedules they're all 11-1. Indiana and PSU play those SEC schedules they're both 3 loss teams. SOS should matter
Alabama has the worst losses two .500 teams in vandy and Oklahoma who only could be Auburn. There only big win was a comeback after blowing a huge lead to UGA at home. What other wins do they have Missouri and LSU who are mid tier this year at best. They lost to the only other good team they played in Tennessee. Their non conference schedule was a joke. But we have to let them in its Alabama....
1. Oregon 2. Texas 3. Penn State 4. ND 5. UGA 6. Tennessee 7. SMU 8. Ohio State 9. IU 10. Bois State 11. Alabama 12. Ole miss 13. South Carolina 14. ASU 15. ISU 16. BYU 17. Miami
Georgia Tech damn near beat Georgia, the days of the SEC dominating are over, it's just happening way quicker than we thought it would. Losing three games and not qualifying for your championship game and still thinking you should be in the playoff is ludicrous.
@@t-smitty True plus don’t forget Georgia State beat Vanderbilt when Alabama couldn’t, Miami beat Florida when Ole Miss couldn’t and California beat Auburn when Texas A&M couldn’t. The SEC isn’t what it use to be.
Politicking? Let the winner be decided on the field. I hope bad referee calls don’t decide anything. IMO. The two best teams are Oregon and Texas. Go Ducks! 🦆🏈
As a ND fan, from columbus OH, who hates the SEC homers I have to say you leave them in. We shouldn't punish confernce championship game teams that much unless they get smoked. Plus they already beat texas once so it's just a game you are more likely to lose the second time since the loser typically can learn more than the winner from that game
So your telling me alabama is in after losing to two unranked teams that has been irrelevant for half of a decade now well at least oklahoma, man vanderbilt has always been at the bottom around this time and they r number 11, I think bc saban gon they was gon change but no they still glazing, im starting to think its for the money
A 10-2 Miami team with 6 wins over winning bowl teams and 2 close losses in the final minute is more deserving than any teams with 9-3 records and embarrassing losses. This should not even be debated.
@@ryanrobin12Syracuse and GT is better than Vandy and OU Syracuse is 9-3 GT 7-5 and took GA to 8 ots meanwhile Vandy has 5 wins and OU has 6 wins that’s pitiful
ND is trash? They're the only team in the top 10 who have actually dominated their opponents since the 3rd week. Not suggesting they should be #1 at all, but they're the only team winning convincingly.
doubt it. No games at all v. top 25 teams, although Louisville may sneak back in towards the end. Either way, the SoS and quality wins just don't matchup with the 3 SEC teams in the mix. One less loss isn't enough to overcome such a discrepancy in schedule strength and top 25 opponents.
Guys, let's call it like it is. This is reality. Start scheduling cupcakes at the end of the season. Easy wins. For this exact reason. Miami....are you listening? Cupcakes at the end of the season. Don't begin with the ACC schedule...don't end with it.
“Alabama is a bigger brand and more likely to get in over ole miss” okay this is such bullshit so in fact they’re getting in not because they deserve it but because it’s Alabama!?? And I’m saying this as in oregon fan lmao the bama favoritism is disgraceful.
Miami beat Florida, Ole Miss lost Miami beat USF (50-15), Bama beat USF (42-15) Bama beat SC. These are all facts. Miss me with the subjective arguments. ACC 3-2 vs Big 12 3-2 vs Big 10 1-0 vs PAC 10 3-8 vs SEC (5/11 decided by a TD or less, 2/11 ACC blowout wins, 4/11 SEC blow outs wins)
@@alexesteve8769 Objectively their better 10-2 is better than 9-3. There’s no objective metric that measure them better. Please learn the definition of the word.
@@sebastienc.2257 you are not what your record says you are in college football. Schedules and conferences are not equal. Miami has no ranked wins or losses. Every team they beat or was beaten by was unranked. Miami has an objectively bad defense with a below average head coach? A worthy team wouldnt have all the slow starts miami has had all year, the 21 point blown lead, and miracles against cal and vt. Live in your day dream all you want. We will live in the real world where miami has earned a place on the outside
It's emotion-based, imo. Alabama fatigue, which is understandable. But if you're being data-oriented and objective, it's pretty clear why Alabama is going to be strongly considered.
top 11... big 12 winner will slide up regardless ( ASU may have already) and Clemson can take another... SMU should be in regardless if we believe the 'no penalty for playing in the conf championship" stuff... I have SMU in regardless
Based on what, though? They have the same record, Bama has more top 25 wins, a stronger SoS and SoR. Ppl are focusing on Alabama's 2 unranked losses, but ALL of Ole Miss's losses are against unranked teams, with the home loss to Kentucky being a worse loss than anyone else in consideration.
@drewc771 Alabama was dominated by Oklahoma 24-3 whose only SEC win was Auburn. Ole miss loss was to an equally bad Kentucky team 20-17. So don't try and play that loss off and the loss at vandy like it was nothing... LSU was ranked when they beat Ole Miss in ot and ranked when Alabama beat them but they are unranked now so you can't say the beat an unranked opponent and Ole Miss lost to one
@@specialenergy5199 I didn't play off any loss as "nothing". I'm just looking at every team the same way using the whole schedule, not just focusing on one team's warts and trying to pretend these other teams don't have them, too. Kentucky is not equal to Oklahoma. That's just a false premise. Look at any power ratings you choose, you'll find Kentucky well below Oklahoma. Kentucky had zero SEC wins outside of Ole Miss and lost by 2 touchdowns to Auburn.
@drewc771 you have to look at the total loss scores into account as well as 3 pt loss vs a 21 point is a big difference Alabama is 2-1 vs currently ranked opponents wins against UGA 7 pts at home and Missouri and Ole Miss is 1-1 with an 18 point victory at UGA to be honest I don't think either deserve to be in
Don't matter if Bama was 3-9 they still would put them in the playoffs.
Roll tide
not for much longer. Alabama is going to start taking a back seat to Texas, Georgia for the next decade or so.
Rtr bozo, yall just scared bama gonna get hot 😂😂
@@maliakhart4281They got rolled alright. Get the Kleenex ready... 24-3 steamROLL by Little ole Oklahoma. 😂
@ I don’t think so, the same ways it’s been Georgia and Alabama as dominant football programs in the SEC, I think you just add Texas and Tennessee to the dominant football program conversation. Don’t think Alabama takes the backseat though. Especially with Coach DeBoer, he’s even said it’ll take a few years to implement his offensive style at Alabama. Thats just a nice way to put that Jalen milroe does not fit his offensive playbook and he’s waiting on Milroe to leave. That’s my honest opinion about it
If SMU is ranked #7 or #8 in the latest CFP, I don’t know how you leave them out for an SEC team ranked four or five spots behind them who didn’t make it to a conference championship (if SMU loses to Clemson).
South Carolina beat Clemson away. If Clemson beats smu, I think it’s pretty obvious that South Carolina is better than smu
Based on what they've said, they probably won't, imo.
I think it will come down to where they rank Miami tonight. If Miami is ahead of at least 2 of the SEC teams then that say the CFP rate the ACC high.
My argument would be SMU lost on a neutral field to the same Clemson team South Carolina beat in their own stadium. Edit: SMU also has no ranked wins
Yeah, but the problem is that then you’re penalizing teams for making it to their conference championship and having to play that extra game. And, you’re favoring teams that didn’t make it to their conference championship as they can just sit by and wait for someone else to screw up.
I agree that the fact that one of the bubble teams SC just beat Clemson who is now playing SMU adds a layer of drama that makes this whole thing interesting.
For weeks EVERYONE said 'can't punish a team that made it to their Championship Game' BUT NOW that an SEC or BIG 10 team isn't in danger of being left out the script is flipped and now IF SMU loses Folks don't think that they are in..... What happened to no punishing someone who made the Conference Championship Game?
UGA is not guaranteed to be in the playoffs if they lose to Texas. So just leave the Bulldogs out of your equation. The Bulldogs have lost twice to Alabama (last year #1) twice and LSU once and were dropped from the final 4 in favor of lesser deserving teams. You never heard a bulldog fan say anything about the conference championship game.
@@88okstate Alabama happened!! 💰💰💰
@@88okstate SMU is -520 favorites to make the playoff. They in unless they are uncompetitive Saturday.
Bama beat auburn at home, South Carolina beat Clemson on the road. How is the latter not more impressive?
Bama beat Georgia, SC beat Clemson. Which is more impressive? Bama beat SC, SC didn’t beat Bama
@haydenmccary9679 Bama got those dubs early in the season and then proceeded to lose to Vandy & Oklahoma as huge favorites. SC is the better team right now hands down. By that logic let’s throw in Northern Illinois over Notre Dame and Michigan over Ohio State
@ Vandy was early in the season, before the SC win. Bama is 5-1 in its last 6 games
@@skylercrabtree3108 and that doesn’t change the fact that Bama has a H2H win. Also NIU doesn’t have the same record and more ranked wins than Notre Dame (unlike bama over SC) Additionally, by your logic we should put in Michigan over Ohio State cus ThEy’rE plAyInG bEtTer rIgHt NoW.
@@haydenmccary9679 SC is 6-0 in its last 6 games, they destroyed the Oklahoma team that dominated Alabama just 2 weeks ago. It’s circular so you need to look at what’s been going on recently
I've got the perfect solution people. Do away with the regular season and put all 134 teams in the playoffs. That will be fine with me. Just start the playoffs when the regular season would begin and it will end all speculation about who should be in or not. I know I am an idiot for suggesting something such as this but everyone should be happy to see their team in the playoffs. What do y'all think? Let's get this done!!
Kent St national champions
@RC.41 well done! I hope they make a run! That's the spirit! Anyone else? Make your case with enthusiasm!!
Miami out
Ole Miss out
Bama out
SC looks the best out of the 4 but objectively Miami deserves the spot
@@sebastienc.2257 The SC losses to Ole Miss and Bama are going to block them. It's going to be Alabama.
Unless Clemson beats SMU in a close one, then it may very well be SMU.
@@drewc771 if smu lose, they’re technically worse than usc, if they want the best 12 teams then smu should not be in
@@drewc771 one more time I’ll write this
Miami beat Florida, Ole Miss lost
Miami beat USF (50-15) Bama (42-15)
Bama beat Ole Miss
The SEC argument is circular. The Miami argument is not.
@@sebastienc.2257 lol, I read it the first time. Do you really think just pointing at a couple games is all that matters? That's ridiculous. Everybody plays a 12 game schedule, not 2.
Miami hasn't played a single team currently ranked in the top 25, while these other teams have played multiple games v top 25 teams. Their schedule is well below these other teams, based on not just common sense but all the available data.
SEC argument is not circular. The argument that it's down is, though. The league is 13-6 against the other P4 conferences. All the other conferences are below .500 in the same statistic.
We can expect truly accurate cpf ranks when the committee changes EVERY SEASON. This is year 10 and yet we’ve had a full new committee each year
If the CFP had just done a straight up Sweet Sixteen. This wouldne even be a debate. Bama SC and OM would be in. These drama queens make everthing so stupidly complicated.
lol. Then there'd be a debate on 2 different teams for the 16th spot.
There's always going to be debate, no matter the #.
The 17th would beg to differ.
I'm interested to see how the bowl game results will come into play. The committee said losses will not hurt the teams
I think you mean conference championship games, not bowl games….
@jesseurizar7146 yeah I mean the conference championships
My Week 15 CFP Rankings Prediction:
1. Oregon (12-0)
2. Texas (11-1)
3. Penn State (11-1)
4. Notre Dame (11-1)
5. Georgia (10-2)
6. Ohio State (10-2)
7. Tennessee (10-2)
8. SMU (11-1)
9. Indiana (11-1)
10. Boise State (11-1)
11. Alabama (9-3)
12. Arizona State (10-2)
@dino7869 no goofy
If ASU is 11-2 behind Alabama. CFB is severely rigged
Tennessee absolutely should be ahead of ohio. You can't lose to mich favored by twenty, playing at home and expect to be rewarded. If a school is going to be anointed every year as the best ever they shouldn't be rewarded with a home game when they completely blow it. They new what they were playing for and who they were playing against and they folded, they don't deserve a home game.
Alabama getting in because of win over South Carolina Miami is out do to no ranked wins & awful defense
In the college football playoff rankings every team that has lost to an unranked opponent has fallen a minimum of 5 spots. SMU, Miami, BYU and alabama. OSU shouldn't be any different this week according to their own metrix. If that's the case Tennessee should still get the nod as far as home game over osu. I would say though that all this could be irrelevant depending on who wins between the sec and big ten champ games and do they drop those losers down the list any. Say Oregon beats the breaks off of Penn St., then what? I think they will fall a little but how far? Same with UGA vs Texas. If Texas wins how far does UGA fall and vice versa.
Bama getting in just watch I already know this so who ever is upset is because I knew this the minute they was 13 I knew they was getting back in
They wont get in cuz they were 13 and you know anything. They’ll get in cuz they were 13 multiple of the 1-12 teams lost…dropping them below the 13 team…y’all wanna by so smart and can’t subtract.
@ if you wanna let people know your 14 years old write things like LoserHolma and use lots of 🤧😩💀😮💨🤡🤮😁😞🤧😒🤣💴🤡
This is the first year of this expanded format. We don't know what to expected the committee.
Yes we do - they're biased so I wouldn't put it past them to say usc is #1.
Miami didn’t play anyone with a pulse
Georgia tech took Georgia to 8 overtime and Syracuse has one of the best offenses in the nation. Close loses. Alabama, ad Ole miss got smoked by unranked teams.
@@jasondavis257close losses is the argument? To Georgia Tech and Syracuse? If UGA would have lost to Tech they could still win the SEC championship game and get in but no UGA would want to go after losing to Tech like Miami did. What about the close wins Miami was fortunate and lucky to win!? Doesn't fit your narrative huh?
Georgia tech is a good team
Just cause a teams Not ranked doesn’t make them a team w out a pulse. Look at how good the acc really was this season. Plus we lost 2 games by 3/4 but these other teams like bama get ASS WHOPPINGS and still get a hall pass.
Boise only has a 3 point loss to the ducks. They should be a top 5 team.
BYU should be ranked above Miami (better strength of schedule), Alabama (no 3-loss team should be in this thing), and Boise State ("quality loss" is diminished by barely winning in the MWC).
The only 3 loss teams that should be in is of course if they win their conference championship.
I completely agree, BYU should be in over Alabama, Miami, etc
So records are the only thing you need huh?
@ BYU had a much better strength of schedule than Miami, including a win over SMU. Yet because of eastern brand-bias, they are on the outside while Miami is a lock.
It’s not just records. Did you watch Alabama lose to Vandy? Did you see them score an anemic 3 points in their ugly loss to Oklahoma? It’s not about record…it’s about brand bias.
@@danjohnson8556 well you got in parentheses "no 3 loss team should be in this thing" which tells me you are not considering Strength of Schedule. So if UGA ( #1 sos) loses to Texas in the SEC championship game and gets their third loss they are not in?
@ I wasn’t talking about UGA. I was talking about Bama. And you assume that the brands in the SEC are always going to be tougher than other leagues. Like I said, brand-bias. Money and brand get Bama in, not merit. The whole point of the playoff should be to find out across conferences who is the champ. 3 losses should be too many to make any kind of claim.
I’d put 4 sec teams on if it was up to me lol
1st round Byes: 1) Oregon. 2) Georgia. 3) Boise St. 4) Ariz St
Bama is first team out.
5) N Dame hosts Ohio St
6) Clem hosts Tenn
7) Tex hosts I-U
8) Penn St hosts SMU
SEC doesn’t need 3 teams just two so no SC BAMA or Tennessee , big 12 deserves multiple playoff spots because oh how the top teams haven’t play each other except BYU ASU & since the conference record is literally tied unlike the rest if these conferences
Big 12...get real😂😂😂
Don't know how big 12 will do, but I do agree that Texas and Georgia are the only playoff quality teams in the sec.
If Clemson beats SMU, then SMU should be in over Bama, Ole Miss, or SC. A loss in a championship games shouldn’t penalize a team as much as a loss(es) to an unranked team(s) in the regular season.
No
But South Carolina would then be better than smu, and if the committee wants the best 12 teams, smu should not be in
Buh buh buh bama
@@DcBjørnson I can understand smu over ole miss or Alabama but usc went into Death Valley and lanorris sellers made those fans and defense his bitch. He was also out for the end of the lsu game which is even more of a reason to include them because we would be 8-2
Amen. SMU will still be in.
Kiffin should have put that energy into winning.
Addition: Kiffin is the Ryan Day of the SEC
Shut up, loser.
Shut up, loooooser.
Lah ha loo zer!!
Like you should have put this energy into your education.
@@jerseyjoe82364just put the gobagool in the bag
SC Argument:
6 wins straight to close out the year including 4 teams that are or were ranked. The losses were competitive with exception of the ole miss game in which they were game scripted out of it. The LSU game, Sellers got injured with they were cruising up 2 possessions in the first half + the officiating directly took away a score within 2 minutes that would have led to a SC win. SC had an opportunity to beat bama at home on the last play. Bama and ole miss have much worse losses although they both have the best win (against Georgia). Head to head should matter but the committee stated only for comparable teams and right now bama and ole miss are inconsistent, decent teams. SC has played and won consistently against better competition in the back half of the schedule.
Counter Argument:
SC lost to a team that lost to Vandy and got blown out by OU. They got blown out by a team who lost to UK. Bama and Ole Miss having bad losses doesn't make SC look better since they LOST to both of them. It's ridiculous to try justifying putting SC over two teams who beat them and have the same record.
@IEmulateGames thats a bad argument to have. For example, with that rationale, if smu loses they should be out bc they lost to byu who lost to kansas. Transitive property should be kept in math and away from football bc the teams evolve and change over the season. The SC that lost to Ole Miss/Bama would likely beat them today if they played. The games matter but your performance in the game and every game matters more
@@IEmulateGamesit was an away game by 2 points.
Let's go Notre Dame😊
These talking heads make no sense, on one hand they say the season is over and if your top 12 your in but then at the same time a conference loss you could be out
If it is the ACC vs the SEC. Then it's not much of a discussion. ACC went 3-8 against the SEC this year.
Miami is one of those 3 wins. GT was 5 DBs down when they lost to Georgia after 8OTs.
Ol boi look what a difference a year make. Now we using head to head when last year the Acc was 6-4 against the sec n people just brush it off 😂
Fact
@@lanthonybunkley3509last year? 13 teams couldn’t get in
@@sebastienc.2257 You say that and it's funny like Georgia didn't have a bunch of starters out and are now playing a bunch of freshman this year keep making a narrative for other teams that don't have the same SOS as Georgia it's laughable. I'm sure all teams have players out, but for a 12 team playoff it's a game of attrition build your roster to sustain throughout the season.
How do you have SMU in the bracket at 3 as a conference Champ, then Miami in the bracket at 12 as a conference champ? They are both in the ACC. In this scenario the Big 12 conference champ would be at 12 and Miami would be placed somewhere else depending on their rank.
Basically, in this scenario Miami and Arizona State would be swapped.
sec and committee should be investigated.pro style playoff system is needed.no more committee or computer crap.
No 3 lose team should be in the playoffs period. They just want sec and that’s it might as well call it the sec and “some others” playoff.
Unless they win their conference championship.
But yet Lane kiffin failed to mention that sellers and rocket sanders were both injured
Bama lost to OU 3:21. Let that sink in.
24-3 actually! And lost to Vandy
@@JamesBarnes-bb7iland guess who beat both of those teams
And by 21
Ole Miss have the best resume of 3 loss team. This is a good argument.
Ole Miss beat South Carolina 24 pts on road.
Ole Miss beat Georgia 18 pts on home.
Ole Miss beat Georgia humiliated Clemson 34-3 that South Carolina barely beat them.
Ole Miss beat South Carolina and Georgia far better than Alabama did.
Ole Miss does not have a blowout loss that Alabama and South Carolina have.
South Carolina couldn’t get touchdown against Ole Miss.
Alabama couldn’t get a touchdown against Oklahoma that Ole Miss beat them by double digits.
Ole Miss’s losses is 13 points combined. South Carolina and Alabama have way more than Ole Miss have.
People need to stop advocating for SC. They lost to Bama AND Ole Miss. I don't care if they're the hottest team right now, they shouldn't jump over two teams WHO BEAT THEM. SC should've won if they wanted to be in.🤷
People also need to remember SC got screwed by the refs in that LSU game. That’s the real elephant in the room here. I don’t expect us to get in either way.
Is this cfp or sec jerk circle
Miami = best qb in cfb with the best offense. No team could put them away - always within one score . They deserve a chamce .
Half of B10 do not have a winning record, but 3 of top 4? If Committee refuses to state what is needed?? WHY?? Then they must GO! SEC Championship Playoff $20M NIL each school BONUS no Committee!! The Committee will PROVE thier Bias tonight when OSU does not drop 9 spotslike GA did. Must be a standard!
Maybe just win ball games instead playing twitter games after week 13
South Carolina beats Clemson at Clemson but goes up one spot?
This is not the 4-team CFP. This is the 12-team CFP and the conference championship games will play a HUGE role in the final rankings. Yes, there will be movement. Dennis Dodd is clueless.
We don't know that. The committee has openly stated they do not plan to penalize teams for losing their championship games. We'll see.
Assistant Director Skinner has a side gig. Who knew?
Alabama should not be anywhere near the top 12! 🤬
Should be 3 sec, 3 big 10 and 2 big 12…ASU had a loss against Cincinnati away, which was close and they did not have their starting qb due to injury so could easily be 11-1….Iowa st and BYU all 10-2…SMU’s loss was against BYU
None of those 3 loss SEC teams should get in. If Clemson wins they’re in and so is 11-2 SMU
The committee will PROVE thier Bias tonight when OSU does not drop 9 spots like GA did!
Will only hold true if Clemson loses the ACC championship. SMU should make it, win or lose, but if Clemson wins, it takes away a spot from a bubble team
When indiana is clapped in the first round it’s going to be a serious wake up call for how rankings are done moving forward.
In a 12 team playoff, several games will be blowouts. There are 3-4 really good teams each year and the rest are just pretenders.
Indiana, PSU played garbage schedules. If UT, Bama, Ole Miss, or SC play their schedules they're all 11-1. Indiana and PSU play those SEC schedules they're both 3 loss teams. SOS should matter
Alabama has the worst losses two .500 teams in vandy and Oklahoma who only could be Auburn. There only big win was a comeback after blowing a huge lead to UGA at home. What other wins do they have Missouri and LSU who are mid tier this year at best. They lost to the only other good team they played in Tennessee. Their non conference schedule was a joke. But we have to let them in its Alabama....
SC should get in if clemson loses. If clemson wins then neither of the 3 will get in.
SC don't have H2H against Alabama or Ole Miss
They are like +5000 to get in at the sports book. They not getting in
@@jesseurizar7146 i know. I was stating the hypocrisy that is the playoff format. No auto bids.
Then penalizing teams that lose CCGs even tho some teams totally dodge CCGs. Really annoying lol.
They've said they won't do that. No point being annoyed by something that hasn't happened yet.
Just like UGA last year.
@ boise loses their ccg they’re out lol
1. Oregon
2. Texas
3. Penn State
4. ND
5. UGA
6. Tennessee
7. SMU
8. Ohio State
9. IU
10. Bois State
11. Alabama
12. Ole miss
13. South Carolina
14. ASU
15. ISU
16. BYU
17. Miami
South Carolina deserves to be in over Alabama. This is coming from a Texas fan
*I want to see Colorado play Miami, Alabama, Clemson, Syracuse or TX A&M in a bowl game.*
A free win for those teams
They deserve bowls not the playoffs.
And M lost to my longhorns last week
SC Bandwagon 🎉🎉
This guy is wrong. Clemson wins, there in. Big 12 champion is in. Neither of these 2 teams will be in tonight.
You totally make no sense.
Why should the Sec not get four teams in. By far the best conference in the NCAA get punished for playing each other
Georgia Tech damn near beat Georgia, the days of the SEC dominating are over, it's just happening way quicker than we thought it would. Losing three games and not qualifying for your championship game and still thinking you should be in the playoff is ludicrous.
I think it would be different if all the top SEC teams lost to eachother, but bama lost to vandy and Oklahoma. Ole miss lost to Florida and lsu, etc.
How are they the best when their playoff contender lost to Vanderbilt, a nerd school, and Oklahoma, a trash team.
Tennessee at Ohio State would be outstanding! An SEC traveling North for a change! Wow! Go Bucks👍😎
@@t-smitty True plus don’t forget Georgia State beat Vanderbilt when Alabama couldn’t, Miami beat Florida when Ole Miss couldn’t and California beat Auburn when Texas A&M couldn’t. The SEC isn’t what it use to be.
Kirby is extremely bias he would be terrible for that room.
Alabama going to playoffs???
Not yet if they do it right Miami should take they spot
Ohio State > Penn St
Politicking? Let the winner be decided on the field. I hope bad referee calls don’t decide anything. IMO. The two best teams are Oregon and Texas. Go Ducks! 🦆🏈
The Number 1 Offense in CFB will not be denied.
Syracuse!!! 😂
Can't stop anything 😂
The 12-team playoff is great! Let’s get the SEC teams out of the South. Let them travel for a change. Level the playing field. Go Bucks. 🏈👍😎
After that Ohio state loss your luck you have a weak schedule or y'alls season would be over.
So u admit that sec have the edge on all other conferences because we need to “level the playing field”, if that’s the case get lsu in the cfp
If Georgia loses and has 3 losses you think they are in?
If Georgia loses they should be out
Yes, 100%.
As a ND fan, from columbus OH, who hates the SEC homers I have to say you leave them in. We shouldn't punish confernce championship game teams that much unless they get smoked. Plus they already beat texas once so it's just a game you are more likely to lose the second time since the loser typically can learn more than the winner from that game
No they’ll still be in with 3 losses
@@brendanboggs2883 they would not be conference champions if they lose to Texas.
So your telling me alabama is in after losing to two unranked teams that has been irrelevant for half of a decade now well at least oklahoma, man vanderbilt has always been at the bottom around this time and they r number 11, I think bc saban gon they was gon change but no they still glazing, im starting to think its for the money
Somehow Alabama will be #7.
I didn't know they were allowed to complain like babies on tweeter x lol. Its simple, you all laid eggs 3 losses?? Nahh your out
Indiana don't deserve a spot even though they have only one lose, you play one good team and lose badly you don't deserve to get in
2 score game two bad special team errors . Ohio State got beat my the team we beat at Michigan at home . Indiana is in
Hook 'em HORNS BABY!
Rollllllllll Tideeeeee 😂😂😂
A 10-2 Miami team with 6 wins over winning bowl teams and 2 close losses in the final minute is more deserving than any teams with 9-3 records and embarrassing losses.
This should not even be debated.
Their losses were bad though. Syracuse ffs???
Exactly and the 2 teams bama lost too one they got spanked by not better than no team Miami barely lost too
@@ryanrobin12Syracuse and GT is better than Vandy and OU Syracuse is 9-3 GT 7-5 and took GA to 8 ots meanwhile Vandy has 5 wins and OU has 6 wins that’s pitiful
@ GT might be. They’re a really good team. But, Syracuse is absolutely not lol
Miami won't be in period
Hater
Wouldn’t be to sure they are they resume trumps bama
Losing to unranked teams and still being above Georgia is an absolute joke. Miami and notre dame are trash
Georgia is trash too
ND is trash? They're the only team in the top 10 who have actually dominated their opponents since the 3rd week. Not suggesting they should be #1 at all, but they're the only team winning convincingly.
It didn't take ND 8ot to beat GT.😂
@@Jake-ss3ev Haynes King was out that game.
@Henderson1011 they always look light ms out in regular season against a relatively easy schedule then reality hits them in the face post season
Everyone wants bama out because they know if their fav plays them they will lose
Lol! Bama is a 3 loss has-been that got destroyed in a game by 3 touchdowns by struggling 5-5 Oklahoma team and you think they deserve the playoffs? 😂
I heard that before. Go blue
My favs are Oklahoma and Vanderbilt.
Bama loss 24-3 vs a horrible offense in OU they are not scary. SC is the scariest team and Miami is the best offense
They don’t deserve to be there
Miami should not be in. Neither should Bama. Id vote Ole miss or SC over Bama.
Im a GA fan...and I am scred of SC getting in. They are a beast of a team now
Miami is in at 11
Unlikely
doubt it. No games at all v. top 25 teams, although Louisville may sneak back in towards the end. Either way, the SoS and quality wins just don't matchup with the 3 SEC teams in the mix. One less loss isn't enough to overcome such a discrepancy in schedule strength and top 25 opponents.
Or 12 but they will
They’ll put in ole miss or bama first
Tennessee is already in dummy on the left.
Guys, let's call it like it is. This is reality. Start scheduling cupcakes at the end of the season. Easy wins. For this exact reason. Miami....are you listening? Cupcakes at the end of the season. Don't begin with the ACC schedule...don't end with it.
Also there will be limits on how my schools make it in a given conference. Watch.
Plant that flag go blue
Clown
My money says big game franklin gets out coached yet again.
Iowa state is gonna blow out asu yall nuts
Ole miss lost to Kentucky. They don’t belong in.
“Alabama is a bigger brand and more likely to get in over ole miss” okay this is such bullshit so in fact they’re getting in not because they deserve it but because it’s Alabama!?? And I’m saying this as in oregon fan lmao the bama favoritism is disgraceful.
Penn st should never be ahead of Ohio St. they lost at home
Ohio state > Indiana
Miami should be in before South Carolina(6 straight wins) and Alabama should definitely be out.
Everybody knows SC beat LSU
Ok. so?
If ohio state is out then Alabama should be out.
Miami beat Florida, Ole Miss lost
Miami beat USF (50-15), Bama beat USF (42-15)
Bama beat SC.
These are all facts. Miss me with the subjective arguments.
ACC
3-2 vs Big 12
3-2 vs Big 10
1-0 vs PAC 10
3-8 vs SEC (5/11 decided by a TD or less, 2/11 ACC blowout wins, 4/11 SEC blow outs wins)
To be fair, the Florida team that played Miami was absolutely NOT the same Florida team that played Ole Miss.
For starters, Lagway is a stud.
Miami is objectively worse than the bama, sc, and ole miss
@@alexesteve8769 Objectively their better 10-2 is better than 9-3. There’s no objective metric that measure them better. Please learn the definition of the word.
@@drewc771 He had an INT against Miami. Let’s be clear the defense is hot garbage. But the offense is better than all 3 teams.
@@sebastienc.2257 you are not what your record says you are in college football. Schedules and conferences are not equal. Miami has no ranked wins or losses. Every team they beat or was beaten by was unranked. Miami has an objectively bad defense with a below average head coach? A worthy team wouldnt have all the slow starts miami has had all year, the 21 point blown lead, and miracles against cal and vt. Live in your day dream all you want. We will live in the real world where miami has earned a place on the outside
Only one team from the big 12. Really. I hope nobody watches the playoffs.
Bama beat 4 teams in the top 15! In the sec ! All these other conferences are garbage !!!!
Ohio State in no matter what
Gotta put Miami in there the ratings alone from watching Cam is ridiculous
all 11-1 teams should be in..next 10-2.. the rest, go pound sand!
GEORGIA 🤙🏼🐾🔴⚫️🔴⚫️
These folks getting weird with this complaining about bama. Like damn yall people afraid of what ?
3 loss teams with beatdowns by 3 touchdowns do NOT deserve to make the playoffs. What a joke! 😂😂
Ask Oklahoma. 😂
@@dsj9831 They do if their resume is still better than the other teams around them.
It's emotion-based, imo. Alabama fatigue, which is understandable.
But if you're being data-oriented and objective, it's pretty clear why Alabama is going to be strongly considered.
Let Bama in and send them up north to play ND. From an ND fan that would be sweet.
Same can be said about Notre Dame EVERY FN YEAR!
GO IRISH!
The jumped Bama over undefeated FSU. They gonna give Bama another break? Without Satan? Lets move on from Inconsistent Bama.
Give us a joke. Alabama.
top 11... big 12 winner will slide up regardless ( ASU may have already) and Clemson can take another... SMU should be in regardless if we believe the 'no penalty for playing in the conf championship" stuff... I have SMU in regardless
Can avoid the SEC drama with a CLEMSON DUB...
Gamecocks fan here! Ole Miss definitely deserves it before Scamabama. Tell Nick Saban to go home and play golf, he's an annoying troll.
Based on what, though? They have the same record, Bama has more top 25 wins, a stronger SoS and SoR. Ppl are focusing on Alabama's 2 unranked losses, but ALL of Ole Miss's losses are against unranked teams, with the home loss to Kentucky being a worse loss than anyone else in consideration.
Shut up I’m a Alabama fan u can take your game cock ass and set in your lazy Cher
@drewc771 Alabama was dominated by Oklahoma 24-3 whose only SEC win was Auburn. Ole miss loss was to an equally bad Kentucky team 20-17. So don't try and play that loss off and the loss at vandy like it was nothing... LSU was ranked when they beat Ole Miss in ot and ranked when Alabama beat them but they are unranked now so you can't say the beat an unranked opponent and Ole Miss lost to one
@@specialenergy5199 I didn't play off any loss as "nothing". I'm just looking at every team the same way using the whole schedule, not just focusing on one team's warts and trying to pretend these other teams don't have them, too.
Kentucky is not equal to Oklahoma. That's just a false premise. Look at any power ratings you choose, you'll find Kentucky well below Oklahoma. Kentucky had zero SEC wins outside of Ole Miss and lost by 2 touchdowns to Auburn.
@drewc771 you have to look at the total loss scores into account as well as 3 pt loss vs a 21 point is a big difference Alabama is 2-1 vs currently ranked opponents wins against UGA 7 pts at home and Missouri and Ole Miss is 1-1 with an 18 point victory at UGA to be honest I don't think either deserve to be in
BAMA bias is real - they will put them in, unfortunately.