Your suggestion for finding drivers may lead users to sites that provide drivers with malicious payloads added to the driver. Only get drivers from the manufactures site
Your advice for going to 'manufactures' sites may lead users to find sites that look very similar to the legitimate ones and.... 😂🤣 Therr are people who won't breathe if someone doesn't tell them how and die. I bet you're one of them
About that directness you mentioned: „While ASIO4ALL and ASIO2KS use a low-level Windows audio API known as Kernel Streaming (also called "DirectKS", "WDM-KS") to operate, and ASIO2WASAPI uses WASAPI (in exclusive mode only), FlexASIO differentiates itself by using an intermediate library called PortAudio that itself supports a large number of operating system sound APIs, which includes Kernel Streaming and WASAPI (in shared and exclusive mode), but also the more mundane APIs MME and DirectSound. Thus FlexASIO can be used to interface with any sound API available on a Windows system.”
Ye, ASIO is just a shortname for a family of different async audio implementations, also it affects the DAC sampling as well, meaning the playback of music gonna be real unlike the playback with non-async audio. It directly affects the quality of the music playback.
bought myself an RME Fireface 800 from 2004 wich still works better then most budget interfaces out there these days. its absoloutly amazing that they keep their interfaces from 20 years ago running on current systems. Thats just one reason for what makes RME so Loved by the Industry. also awsome that u can use it with the ARC USB wich was released quite a while later.
Slight correction. Pits and lands on a CD are both 0s and the 1 is represented by the transition. The receiver detects a phase change in the reflected light and pass that along to the buffer as a 1 bit.
Yes, and this doesnt take into account Auto-Correction of CD, because data reading/writing has flaws, so it is not a direct reading. See Cross-interleaved Reed-Solomon coding.
@@AudioUniversity Yes it is searchable but it requires clicking on the video to see more infos, which is a bit cumbersome on smart tv or mobile, also title has high priority in youtube algo for search results 😉 Anyway, thanks again for the feedback and good work !
@@AudioUniversity would it hurt to just add "- Drivers!" to the end of the title? Someone who doesn't know could be more interested, and someone who knows doesn't waste the time it takes to realize they won't be learning much and leave anyway. To me, as it is now it feels like I was click baited, but I think your content is so strong you don't even need that edge. I don't know the TH-cam business but I have more interest in the straightforward titles and thumbnails, especially since you're an educational channel that seems like it will continue to bring in quality views over time than being a quick hit and run
Totally agree. It's a great video but a shame that these titles are just the meta now. For anyone that wants back informative titles, I recommend the DeArrow extension which shows user submitted non-clickbait titles for most big channels.
my first interface! it was a good one at the time. so many inputs and flexibility for the price! converters and preamps were standard for the time, which means they aren't that great now.
Great explanation re buffer size and computer speed. It is also the reason why many use DSP assisted recording setups: It is simply a good deal! When your sounds (e.g. guitar amp sim) and your effects (compression or reverb on vocals) comes from the DSP on your audio interface that your monitoring with, the buffer size of your system does not matter anymore and you can run it on its maximum setting. This way a fairly old computer like a base $600 M1 mini is good enough to run VERY complex sessions, and you can still record on them if you want. By investing $1000 in an interface with DSP and some basic plugins you don’t need that $3000 Mac Studio or a custom built PC.
On macOS, Audio-MIDI setup typically solves most of the issues you talked about by allowing you to create virtual aggregate and multi-output devices. However there are still a lot of limitations that have to be solved by third party software. Even though that software is open source and free these days, it's still annoying to have to install something for basic functionality. Apple you make a DAW you can do better than this!
Apple is (sadly) only concerned with selling products. The new Logic update almost only featured AI stuff and none of the bugs I encounter daily were fixed. I wouldn’t expect them to fix anything soon.
Drivers matter a ton. Still remember the day that my friend compared an Apollo Twin Duo vs a RME Babyface with latency.... I thought there would be no way that the babyface would have lower latency. It did, by a substantial amount... its the drivers. I bought a Babyface pro. Still use it on live gigs to this day, that audio interface has never failed. Other audio interface manufacturers are also very good with drivers, but you definitely get peace of mind with RME. Great Video brother!
I can completely believe this, i tracked some acoustic guitar into a project in its very final stages as an afterthought last week. I set up TotalMix FX for the session as i thought i'd have to raise the buffer to cope. 'Just for a laugh', i dropped the buffer down to 32 samples, it worked just fine! In a project with around 100 channels that's VERY near to completion... we were both gobsmacked! 😎
A lot of CD read errors caused by dust and small scratches that get automatically detected and corrected. This happens all the time and it's possible thanks to a clever binary data encoding using a variant of Reed-Solomon error correction codes. The recovery information is mixed with audio data and takes up a significant space on a CD. I can't remember the details but 1/4 of CD space spent on recovery data is probably not far off. This provides quite robust error correction in majority of cases. All small dings and scratches can be 100% recovered from with no data loss. The one thing that can exceed the capabilities of this mechanism is a concentric scratch - even a few millimeters results in a long burst of errors. So keeping a CD relatively clean is a good practice but wiping it may cause more harm than good.
There’s only two basic approach for general use: 1. Low buffer size for Recording or use Direct monitoring feature from the I/O 2. High buffer size for Mixing or Composing and Producing with tons of VST. Don’t worry about drivers. Mac will always be using proprietary Core Audio, and Windows will only use ASIO 4 All (or provided driver from the manufacturer)
Maybe if you only make rock but for most electronic music high latency is practical only in the very last stages or not at all, we can't "compose" with high buffer size, also smaller audio buffer size contributes to lower DAW MIDI jitter. Many experience connection issues with certain audio interfaces on Macs. Driver efficiency and stability also involves the interface hardware. OSX will use core audio but the way the driver interacts with the hardware is still very important. RME FPGA is way more efficient than other solutions on a Mac. RME windows driver efficiency is importance is obvious.
Presonus Studiolive 32R user here - absolute rock solid drivers with almost completely no latency at buffer size 256, loads of trs/xlr inputs, great sound, maximum flexibility (zero latency monitoring, sub mixes, all sorts of crazy routings, built in headphone outs etc) really happy with it. Originally wanted to go with the RME 32-AD but couldn’t justify the price tags of the interface, then having to also buy a HDSPe card for it to make it work as it has no USB - I would have ended up spending 4 times as much as I did on the 32R
I can vouch for the importance of drivers. As a student I used a cheap ESI DAC which had terrible Windows drivers. It would randomly distort the microphone and the support was not taking me seriously. It's only saving grace was that it was mostly USB class compliant, so it worked near flawlessly on Linux with ALSA drivers. I got to try a couple more interfaces until I would finally settle for Audient as my go-to brand at home. Although I have yet to test its capabilities on Linux, on Windows it does a stellar job.
@@xfghffhfg 🤷♂️ never touched anything made by UAD. I used to own a babyface some years ago and then passed over to focusrite. You seem awfully specifically triggered by something obviously. I hope you sort that out and have a nice life 🙂 maybe make the rme fanboy meatriding sliiightly less obvious?
Big fan of RME here. I have two Fireface UFX units here and love TotalMix and Digicheck. I'm considering getting a UFX III as well so I can run Sonarworks in the interface DSP directly rather than as a VST in my DAW.
It stopped me from making music for two years due to a fact that Focusrite just didn't bother for the older products. Just last month went for the RME UCX II and didn't look back, no regrets whatsoever.
I hopped on board the RME train way too late. They really are the best. Not to mention the mix matrix is just the best for outboard gear. You’d have to pay way too much for similar capabilities with another popular brand that I won’t mention. I’ll add to your comments on hardware capabilities with the need for quick stable RAM. In my journey to zero in the box latency I’ve found that fine tuned RAM timings were a huge boon to getting sub 5ms latency in the box.
ROCK SOLID and constantly updated drivers!!! RME interfaces are killer bits of kit, not cheap, but you get A LOT for your money. Once you go RME, you won't go back.
I currently use a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 mk3. It works brilliantly, and so far I've not had any driver issues with it. I've had Windows issues, related to graphics, that cause high system latency, but once I fixed those, everything was golden. I am on the other hand planning on trying to migrate to Linux. I'm simply fed up with how user-hostile Windows is becoming.
Cool video. I use an old MBox2 and jack audio on ubuntu linux. Took a bit of tweaking, but it’s rock solid. I use Bitwig and Renoise as DAWs. Reaper also has a Linux version too.
RME isn't cheap, but unlike any other manufacturer of audio interface, I'd be happy to leave RME interface in mission critical point of a chain, for years and years. Their drivers are so stable and high performance, that I've had ZERO issues with their interface the last 4 years that I've been a daily user. And the interface I'm usign is over 20 years old! Works like day it was bought. And their interfaces can be programmed to hold their routing and config regardless of the computer they're attached to. You can then literally yank the computer off mid flight and everything routing wise just keeps working EXCEPT of course software (DAW etc.) that was running on the computer. You can't put price on that reliability....
it's probably more easy to understand a driver, as a Translator of a language to the Other person's language. The better the language translator is, the more effective it is able to communicate, and ask for and do things the Translator wants, while the person being translated to can accomodate or execute what the Translator asks.
There are some workaround solutions for Macs audio assignment issues, like Soundflower, and aggregate devices, but there are some kinks and quirks that have to be worked out, and poorly documented if at all. That said, Mac OS stability and features like being able to hot plug gear are pretty significant, especially in live performance situations.
Same here, I'm not sure what specific needs Audio University had for their podcast, but when I needed to route audio from a specific app to Zoom, I could not find a solution on Windows. Ended up using Soundflower on MacOS to solve the problem, and later switched to Blackhole.
@@dthree4113There are several utilities around for Windows. VBAudio makes free tools, one of which got me through many OBS-based live streams during the pandemic.
I am a heavy pc user, but I still prefer mac on audio. For some reason, even on older mac had better latency, and audio is less glitchy, than windows counterpart. Perhaps it's the driver, perhaps its something else.
I am a big advocate for Windows, but lately I've been having a LOT of problems with DPC latency and it's very very VERY hard to track the root of the problem because most of the time it isn't something that even has to do with audio drivers or you DAW. It might be anything from a bad driver from the manufacturer of you Ethernet card or in my case the video card (and now I'm stuck running a two year old driver because updating would break the compatibility)
a cd polishing machine like the JFJ Easy Pro or the SkipDr motorized disc repair system can help you repair you old scratchy cds just to let everybody know
The lack of ASIO or an equivalent on mac has been a frustration for decades. However, all of my old devices still function on mac which can't be said of some 'legacy' devices on windows machines.
Mac has CoreAudio by default, which is in all ways superior to ASIO. I can use a 16 channel audio interface on my iPhone if I want to, that’s how good it is.
I remember that coreaudio is embedded in a deeper level in system, i guess kernel? than asio that comes after operating system, something like this, dont quote on technicals from an old speech of steve jobs and it was designed like so for better performance for creative applications, latency and stability wise
Wait what? 5:49 Why would stereo double the delay time? Sure, you need double the buffer space, but both channels are played back concurrently, so it’s the same time of delay. You also don’t increase the delay with the size of your ensemble that you want to record. Each added microphone doesn’t increase the delay time just because you’re recording another channel. It adds another input buffer for this recording channel, yes, but it’s processed in parallel, so it’s the same amount of the delay as before adding the mic. The same goes for going from a single channel (mono) to two channels (stereo)!
I had to give up to using the absolute pristine quality E-MU 1820m because I could not use it anymore with the latest Windows updates. For a while, people could mod other Creative Audio device drivers (similar DSP hardware internally), to be used with the E-MU, but manufacturer support eventually ended even for those devices.
Also important thing to look at is driver stability. I got a Scarlett 4i4 gen 4 and it's super unstable. The output often drops or get super glitchy etc. which ruins the experience completely.
For sure my next audio interface will be RME. I wonder how it'll be 2 decades in the future with all this AI stuff booming and GPU audio becoming a thing.
I'd be interested in a video quantifying the technical specs to look for in preamps. How can you look at a spec sheet and determine if a preamp will be "good"?
This isn't necessarily true. See, Apple won't let you get access to the colonel so you cannot prioritize audio over video processing in the CPU. This is especially Troublesome one processing things like immersive sound in real time.
@@N0B0DY_SP3C14L compared to windows it is true .. apple makes audio much more of a priority compared to windows .. i've done numerous testing in different environments which demonstrates this... I'm not sure on what work you do exactly. Windows interrupts the cpu too much and puts network and almost everything in front of real time audio even with 'asio real time priority' in real world testing stacking up channels full of plugins using similar hw I can get waay more channels processing plugins in real time at lower buffers than i can on windows machines.. Especially on new Apple M1 machine totaly destroys any optmised i9 pc setup ive tried by comparison... I do agree if we all had access to the kernel it would be great to make more specialised priorities like having a few dedicated cpus to 'just do real time audio processing' but by comparison windows is junk to mac os architecturally speaking for prioritizing audio
@@miked5487 Not really but I have two windows computers and a mac mini and macbook from work (m1 and m2). If the macs have any advantage with lower buffer size it's probably because of the cpu single core performance. All my systems have no issue with the lowest buffer size, for my use anyway.
Do live streaming for work, and it's been doing it for years. Switched fully to MAC and it so much better than Windows. Can't really agree with what you say about ASIO. Don't miss it on my Mac at all.
@@Byron101_ it's not. But when you start using something, you recognize it when somebody else uses it. Mainly a FL user, but to mix large projects, reaper is really nice
2:35 A minor correction: AFAIR the pits and lands are not bits and do not represent 1 and 0. Instead AFAIR, the bits are the transitions between different pits and lands.
Good vid! Unfortunately, I am made quite the opposite experience with RME. I remember buying a brand new RME Multiface, days later getting a call from my trusted music store, asking me to bring it back, as there has been a call back because of a potentially faulty part. Sounds reasonable. So I bring it back, and get "a" Multiface back a week or so later. Only... I got someones old and used Multiface. I did not get my brand new Multiface. RME simply decided to swap them and give me something that was used for years by the look of it, scratches and all. I talked with my music store, and they made an official complaint. RME more or less told me to go f*ck myself. Now, I had - and still have - a great relationship with my music store and decided to let it go. But I swore to never, ever, use any part of RME equipment any more. This is the single most disgusting experience I had with a manufacturer of... well, anything, not just music related. Doesn't matter how long ago it is, I never forgot. Obviously 🤷♂.
por fin alguien muestra la realidad de rme. la verdad esta dicha, una vez usas rme, se vuelve el último que usas ya que no sirven, tratas de dejarlos lo antes posible. rme fell off
really instructive*, but really, all we want is Auto Tune real time, the rest bro... no need to worry about buffer size when u get the feed from console. never had no problem. UAD is unbeatable.
I know it's an excellent interface. Problem (for me) is the price is much higher than its 'comparable' competitors. And the availability (there's no one sell it here in my country LOL. Has to import it which made it even pricier and difficult to do).
"If you're buffering stereo audio you double that size" Huh? Why would that be? The interface/computer would process the two channels in parallel, so the buffer window would be the same as with a mono file. Using your logic if we use an audio interface with 16 simultaneous channels it will use 16 x our buffer size, which is obviously not true...
I only use class-compliant devices on Apple or Linux. There are drivers (modules) that talk to hardware, but they are developed with the kernel team. Windows is too goofy with the reboots, and glitchy driver install rituals.
Does RME offer any official Linux support? Like, I'm willing to switch if my current interface breaks, but I'm committed to a Pop OS desktop and laptop arrangement, so if there are interface features that require proprietary stuff or additional tools, I kinda want to know *before* spending the cash.
I’m thinking of getting Motu ultra lite mk5 but I’ve heard their support isn’t all that great, is that accurate information? Does it work great with Logic Pro? Thanks
That’s because Zoom is only capable of using two channels. So mac osx is only able to assign two channels to it. what you need to do is create a virtual interface and route your channels through. On windows it doesn’t know how to deal with multi channel devices so it just breaks them out usually driver Dependent.
Why doesn’t anyone ever talk about, imho, the most important feature: RME digital synthesised clock?! This is why I have RME units for more than 20 years. Jitter people.
Do windows users really need a custom driver to change the buffer size? Maybe there's something I'm missing, but on Linux pipewire gives me a buffer setting for free. Now if only there weren't so many VSTs I can't use…
I'm at the point where I am going to upgrade my computer, and do I sick with Mac or go with windows. Also do I get a laptop or PC? All because of Ableton 12!
Just my 2¢ on the matter but I would recommend using what you're already most comfortable with. I use a Windows machine that I built super cheap and it works well for me, but it's also what I grew up using. If you are planning to use your new machine for audio recording or photo/video editing and are comfortable on Mac then I'd stick with it. If you have additional uses in mind for your machine (like gaming) then a switch to a Windows or Linux PC may make a little more sense while generally being less expensive with greater flexibility for upgrades later down the line.
@@Trinigoth it's just for music production. To be honest I am fine using both operating systems my Mac is at the point now where no one's written updates for them when it comes to music software (e.g. Ableton) But serious though to a laptop so I'm can be more mobile and have a couple of monitors and a keyboard/mouse that I can plug it into in my studio. It's going to be one of those times where I drop in a fair amount of cash because it will be it for a good while and I would future proof myself. Thanks for your message.
@@b00ts4ndc4ts laptops have come a long way in the past 10 years too so, assuming it's got all the I/O you need to hook an interface up then that seems like a great option if portability is the goal. Just make sure your processor and ram are the highest priority when shopping, worry much less about getting a nice video card in there. On board storage will be limited but no big deal with how fast external drives have gotten. If I were going laptop for music production I would probably go Apple because they are very quiet and reliable.- don't want any surprise fan throttling noise in the middle of recording. If I was going desktop it's more of a 50/50 between Mac and PC. Desktop is my preference for ease of upgrading (expansion slots for whatever I want to add) and full control over fan speeds/etc.
I just can't get the RME drivers to run on my new windows laptop. I have a UCX II. I tried getting help from Microsoft but they know nothing. RME don't respond to emails.
I use an RME interface as an ADAT front end for a MOTU interface. The MOTU drivers are garbage and the RME drivers are perfect. Luckily both components speak ADAT so I can just use both through the RME interface.
So apparently my focusrite 6i6 2nd gen only offers the 1 + 2 input for microphone configuration. I cant pick a single channel. Im on windows 11, but this was the same on windows 10
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Your suggestion for finding drivers may lead users to sites that provide drivers with malicious payloads added to the driver. Only get drivers from the manufactures site
The manufacturer is usually the first result, but yes. Be sure not to download from random websites.
Your advice for going to 'manufactures' sites may lead users to find sites that look very similar to the legitimate ones and.... 😂🤣 Therr are people who won't breathe if someone doesn't tell them how and die. I bet you're one of them
In other words, don't do stupid stuff. Generally speaking.
Survival of the fittest
If they produce em that is
We are grateful to RME for their driver updates on elder devices. Our RME Multiface has been running perfectly fine for almost 25 years.
I sell mine 5 years ago and it was still works fine then and for 20 years.
+, the most important thing is ADC/DAC and drivers controlling it
They have great drivers for Linux too, and are plug and go! Great build quality too, because you never know when the bassist may touch it!
Being sponsored by RME has to be the coolest thing I’ve ever seen.
About that directness you mentioned: „While ASIO4ALL and ASIO2KS use a low-level Windows audio API known as Kernel Streaming (also called "DirectKS", "WDM-KS") to operate, and ASIO2WASAPI uses WASAPI (in exclusive mode only), FlexASIO differentiates itself by using an intermediate library called PortAudio that itself supports a large number of operating system sound APIs, which includes Kernel Streaming and WASAPI (in shared and exclusive mode), but also the more mundane APIs MME and DirectSound. Thus FlexASIO can be used to interface with any sound API available on a Windows system.”
Ye, ASIO is just a shortname for a family of different async audio implementations, also it affects the DAC sampling as well, meaning the playback of music gonna be real unlike the playback with non-async audio. It directly affects the quality of the music playback.
bought myself an RME Fireface 800 from 2004 wich still works better then most budget interfaces out there these days. its absoloutly amazing that they keep their interfaces from 20 years ago running on current systems. Thats just one reason for what makes RME so Loved by the Industry. also awsome that u can use it with the ARC USB wich was released quite a while later.
Slight correction. Pits and lands on a CD are both 0s and the 1 is represented by the transition. The receiver detects a phase change in the reflected light and pass that along to the buffer as a 1 bit.
Yes, and this doesnt take into account Auto-Correction of CD, because data reading/writing has flaws, so it is not a direct reading. See Cross-interleaved Reed-Solomon coding.
This video is excellent at explaining latency, driver, buffer etc, too bad it has such a generic title which cannot be found easily on youtube search.
Thanks! The description and transcript should make it searchable.
@@AudioUniversity Yes it is searchable but it requires clicking on the video to see more infos, which is a bit cumbersome on smart tv or mobile, also title has high priority in youtube algo for search results 😉
Anyway, thanks again for the feedback and good work !
@@AudioUniversity I have to agree that it's the best one I have seen so far about these topics.
@@AudioUniversity would it hurt to just add "- Drivers!" to the end of the title? Someone who doesn't know could be more interested, and someone who knows doesn't waste the time it takes to realize they won't be learning much and leave anyway. To me, as it is now it feels like I was click baited, but I think your content is so strong you don't even need that edge. I don't know the TH-cam business but I have more interest in the straightforward titles and thumbnails, especially since you're an educational channel that seems like it will continue to bring in quality views over time than being a quick hit and run
Totally agree. It's a great video but a shame that these titles are just the meta now. For anyone that wants back informative titles, I recommend the DeArrow extension which shows user submitted non-clickbait titles for most big channels.
You always do a great job explaining complicated topics clearly. Very much appreciated.
I own a MOTU Traveler which I have had for about 20 years. I still use it because MOTU still makes drivers for it.
I have a MOTU Track16 and I hate it for its abysmal drivers.
MOTU's Traveler doesn't get enough love. ;-)
Mine is about 16 years old, rock solid on both Audio and MIDI.
my first interface! it was a good one at the time. so many inputs and flexibility for the price! converters and preamps were standard for the time, which means they aren't that great now.
Driver for Motu Ultralite mk5 is ass.
obssessed with your videos lately. keep it up
Oh dear!😲 I think I may have blown out an overstuffed buffer! I have speaker chunks all over the room!
Great explanation re buffer size and computer speed. It is also the reason why many use DSP assisted recording setups: It is simply a good deal! When your sounds (e.g. guitar amp sim) and your effects (compression or reverb on vocals) comes from the DSP on your audio interface that your monitoring with, the buffer size of your system does not matter anymore and you can run it on its maximum setting. This way a fairly old computer like a base $600 M1 mini is good enough to run VERY complex sessions, and you can still record on them if you want. By investing $1000 in an interface with DSP and some basic plugins you don’t need that $3000 Mac Studio or a custom built PC.
On macOS, Audio-MIDI setup typically solves most of the issues you talked about by allowing you to create virtual aggregate and multi-output devices. However there are still a lot of limitations that have to be solved by third party software. Even though that software is open source and free these days, it's still annoying to have to install something for basic functionality. Apple you make a DAW you can do better than this!
Apple is (sadly) only concerned with selling products. The new Logic update almost only featured AI stuff and none of the bugs I encounter daily were fixed. I wouldn’t expect them to fix anything soon.
In macOS, use the native MIDI utility to build “custom” software-defined audio interfaces, using any and all audio I/O available to the device.
Drivers matter a ton. Still remember the day that my friend compared an Apollo Twin Duo vs a RME Babyface with latency.... I thought there would be no way that the babyface would have lower latency. It did, by a substantial amount... its the drivers. I bought a Babyface pro.
Still use it on live gigs to this day, that audio interface has never failed. Other audio interface manufacturers are also very good with drivers, but you definitely get peace of mind with RME.
Great Video brother!
I can completely believe this, i tracked some acoustic guitar into a project in its very final stages as an afterthought last week.
I set up TotalMix FX for the session as i thought i'd have to raise the buffer to cope.
'Just for a laugh', i dropped the buffer down to 32 samples, it worked just fine! In a project with around 100 channels that's VERY near to completion... we were both gobsmacked! 😎
A lot of CD read errors caused by dust and small scratches that get automatically detected and corrected. This happens all the time and it's possible thanks to a clever binary data encoding using a variant of Reed-Solomon error correction codes. The recovery information is mixed with audio data and takes up a significant space on a CD. I can't remember the details but 1/4 of CD space spent on recovery data is probably not far off. This provides quite robust error correction in majority of cases. All small dings and scratches can be 100% recovered from with no data loss. The one thing that can exceed the capabilities of this mechanism is a concentric scratch - even a few millimeters results in a long burst of errors. So keeping a CD relatively clean is a good practice but wiping it may cause more harm than good.
There’s only two basic approach for general use:
1. Low buffer size for Recording or use Direct monitoring feature from the I/O
2. High buffer size for Mixing or Composing and Producing with tons of VST.
Don’t worry about drivers.
Mac will always be using proprietary Core Audio, and Windows will only use ASIO 4 All (or provided driver from the manufacturer)
Maybe if you only make rock but for most electronic music high latency is practical only in the very last stages or not at all, we can't "compose" with high buffer size, also smaller audio buffer size contributes to lower DAW MIDI jitter.
Many experience connection issues with certain audio interfaces on Macs. Driver efficiency and stability also involves the interface hardware.
OSX will use core audio but the way the driver interacts with the hardware is still very important. RME FPGA is way more efficient than other solutions on a Mac. RME windows driver efficiency is importance is obvious.
Been using RME Fireface800 since 09!!! I will absolutely buy RME and only RME for my next interface because of their long term support
And use optical cable to connect them both for more tracks
Please, show us your audio processing chain for your voice in the video! I love your channel 😍
Presonus Studiolive 32R user here - absolute rock solid drivers with almost completely no latency at buffer size 256, loads of trs/xlr inputs, great sound, maximum flexibility (zero latency monitoring, sub mixes, all sorts of crazy routings, built in headphone outs etc) really happy with it.
Originally wanted to go with the RME 32-AD but couldn’t justify the price tags of the interface, then having to also buy a HDSPe card for it to make it work as it has no USB - I would have ended up spending 4 times as much as I did on the 32R
Informative video. The background music during your narration was distracting.
That was the reason to buy an RME for me. Just got tired of audio interfaces turning into door stoppers
Love my RME interfaces. They just work, but also do so much more. I absolutely love the new room eq feature in total mix.
I can vouch for the importance of drivers. As a student I used a cheap ESI DAC which had terrible Windows drivers. It would randomly distort the microphone and the support was not taking me seriously. It's only saving grace was that it was mostly USB class compliant, so it worked near flawlessly on Linux with ALSA drivers.
I got to try a couple more interfaces until I would finally settle for Audient as my go-to brand at home. Although I have yet to test its capabilities on Linux, on Windows it does a stellar job.
This was the most informative RME commercial I've seen.
Another UAD fan who is stuck in their ecosystem.
Or just a poor commenter who can't afford anything :)
My thoughts exactly, how can a channel be called Audio University and pass a blatant commercial as information?
@@xfghffhfg 🤷♂️ never touched anything made by UAD. I used to own a babyface some years ago and then passed over to focusrite. You seem awfully specifically triggered by something obviously. I hope you sort that out and have a nice life 🙂 maybe make the rme fanboy meatriding sliiightly less obvious?
@@vladv5126 you are right, my bad :)
Big fan of RME here. I have two Fireface UFX units here and love TotalMix and Digicheck.
I'm considering getting a UFX III as well so I can run Sonarworks in the interface DSP directly rather than as a VST in my DAW.
It stopped me from making music for two years due to a fact that Focusrite just didn't bother for the older products. Just last month went for the RME UCX II and didn't look back, no regrets whatsoever.
I hopped on board the RME train way too late. They really are the best. Not to mention the mix matrix is just the best for outboard gear. You’d have to pay way too much for similar capabilities with another popular brand that I won’t mention.
I’ll add to your comments on hardware capabilities with the need for quick stable RAM. In my journey to zero in the box latency I’ve found that fine tuned RAM timings were a huge boon to getting sub 5ms latency in the box.
Why not call them out tho, sounds like they are a bunch of greedy share holders at the wheel. Silence is... You know
ROCK SOLID and constantly updated drivers!!!
RME interfaces are killer bits of kit, not cheap, but you get A LOT for your money.
Once you go RME, you won't go back.
I currently use a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 mk3. It works brilliantly, and so far I've not had any driver issues with it. I've had Windows issues, related to graphics, that cause high system latency, but once I fixed those, everything was golden. I am on the other hand planning on trying to migrate to Linux. I'm simply fed up with how user-hostile Windows is becoming.
Cool video. I use an old MBox2 and jack audio on ubuntu linux. Took a bit of tweaking, but it’s rock solid. I use Bitwig and Renoise as DAWs. Reaper also has a Linux version too.
RME isn't cheap, but unlike any other manufacturer of audio interface, I'd be happy to leave RME interface in mission critical point of a chain, for years and years.
Their drivers are so stable and high performance, that I've had ZERO issues with their interface the last 4 years that I've been a daily user. And the interface I'm usign is over 20 years old! Works like day it was bought.
And their interfaces can be programmed to hold their routing and config regardless of the computer they're attached to. You can then literally yank the computer off mid flight and everything routing wise just keeps working EXCEPT of course software (DAW etc.) that was running on the computer.
You can't put price on that reliability....
Where is linux? 😁
it's probably more easy to understand a driver, as a Translator of a language to the Other person's language. The better the language translator is, the more effective it is able to communicate, and ask for and do things the Translator wants, while the person being translated to can accomodate or execute what the Translator asks.
im going with the UA interface, works fine
As a Cubase user I'm really happy with my Steinberg UR22 MK1, is rock solid.
Worst interface ever, sorry :)
Could you explain the routing problems on macOS further? I use Loopback from Rogue Amoeba, and it seems to handle everything I need.
MOTU Ultralite MK3 Hybrid on WIN platform user here, Zero problems since bought 10 yrs ago.
UFX3 and ferrofish 16 mx have been the absolute best thing I've ever done.
Everything just always does and always will fucking work.
There are some workaround solutions for Macs audio assignment issues, like Soundflower, and aggregate devices, but there are some kinks and quirks that have to be worked out, and poorly documented if at all.
That said, Mac OS stability and features like being able to hot plug gear are pretty significant, especially in live performance situations.
Same here, I'm not sure what specific needs Audio University had for their podcast, but when I needed to route audio from a specific app to Zoom, I could not find a solution on Windows. Ended up using Soundflower on MacOS to solve the problem, and later switched to Blackhole.
@@dthree4113There are several utilities around for Windows. VBAudio makes free tools, one of which got me through many OBS-based live streams during the pandemic.
great vid as always
I am a heavy pc user, but I still prefer mac on audio. For some reason, even on older mac had better latency, and audio is less glitchy, than windows counterpart. Perhaps it's the driver, perhaps its something else.
The driver is so important. I'm happy with my Focusrite interface together with Apple silicon and logic pro. Works great!🤘🤘🤘
I am a big advocate for Windows, but lately I've been having a LOT of problems with DPC latency and it's very very VERY hard to track the root of the problem because most of the time it isn't something that even has to do with audio drivers or you DAW. It might be anything from a bad driver from the manufacturer of you Ethernet card or in my case the video card (and now I'm stuck running a two year old driver because updating would break the compatibility)
I love RME!
Drivers. Exactly why I run RME interface and NI Kontroller 😉
a cd polishing machine like the JFJ Easy Pro or the SkipDr motorized disc repair system can help you repair you old scratchy cds just to let everybody know
The lack of ASIO or an equivalent on mac has been a frustration for decades. However, all of my old devices still function on mac which can't be said of some 'legacy' devices on windows machines.
Mac has CoreAudio by default, which is in all ways superior to ASIO. I can use a 16 channel audio interface on my iPhone if I want to, that’s how good it is.
I remember that coreaudio is embedded in a deeper level in system, i guess kernel? than asio that comes after operating system, something like this, dont quote on technicals from an old speech of steve jobs and it was designed like so for better performance for creative applications, latency and stability wise
Great video… nice detail
Wait what? 5:49 Why would stereo double the delay time? Sure, you need double the buffer space, but both channels are played back concurrently, so it’s the same time of delay. You also don’t increase the delay with the size of your ensemble that you want to record. Each added microphone doesn’t increase the delay time just because you’re recording another channel. It adds another input buffer for this recording channel, yes, but it’s processed in parallel, so it’s the same amount of the delay as before adding the mic. The same goes for going from a single channel (mono) to two channels (stereo)!
I had to give up to using the absolute pristine quality E-MU 1820m because I could not use it anymore with the latest Windows updates.
For a while, people could mod other Creative Audio device drivers (similar DSP hardware internally), to be used with the E-MU, but manufacturer support eventually ended even for those devices.
Yep i have never regretted spending money on RME gear.
Also important thing to look at is driver stability. I got a Scarlett 4i4 gen 4 and it's super unstable. The output often drops or get super glitchy etc. which ruins the experience completely.
Hi. So did you fix the problem? Thinking of getting a 4i4. Thanks
For sure my next audio interface will be RME. I wonder how it'll be 2 decades in the future with all this AI stuff booming and GPU audio becoming a thing.
I'd be interested in a video quantifying the technical specs to look for in preamps. How can you look at a spec sheet and determine if a preamp will be "good"?
Man, am I glad YOU were born.
I have an old focusrite 8i6.
I recently just plugged it into a Mac, and it just works. Amazing.
Tell me why I need to know about drivers. Thanks.
Driver's could also be made by the closet manufacturer. And sometime the interface manufacturer may have just repackaged the closet maker.
Also mac os prioritizes real time audio alot better than windows, windows interrupts will quickly cause alot more dropouts at lower buffer sizes...
This isn't necessarily true. See, Apple won't let you get access to the colonel so you cannot prioritize audio over video processing in the CPU. This is especially Troublesome one processing things like immersive sound in real time.
@@N0B0DY_SP3C14L compared to windows it is true .. apple makes audio much more of a priority compared to windows .. i've done numerous testing in different environments which demonstrates this... I'm not sure on what work you do exactly. Windows interrupts the cpu too much and puts network and almost everything in front of real time audio even with 'asio real time priority' in real world testing stacking up channels full of plugins using similar hw I can get waay more channels processing plugins in real time at lower buffers than i can on windows machines.. Especially on new Apple M1 machine totaly destroys any optmised i9 pc setup ive tried by comparison... I do agree if we all had access to the kernel it would be great to make more specialised priorities like having a few dedicated cpus to 'just do real time audio processing' but by comparison windows is junk to mac os architecturally
speaking for prioritizing audio
Not true any more, windows 11 does a good job managing services and with some optimization you can get the same performance if not better.
@@xfghffhfg that has not been my experience with it.. if u have any detailed documentation please share
@@miked5487 Not really but I have two windows computers and a mac mini and macbook from work (m1 and m2). If the macs have any advantage with lower buffer size it's probably because of the cpu single core performance. All my systems have no issue with the lowest buffer size, for my use anyway.
Do live streaming for work, and it's been doing it for years. Switched fully to MAC and it so much better than Windows. Can't really agree with what you say about ASIO. Don't miss it on my Mac at all.
We're totally on the same wavelength ! :)
Is that reaper on your screen? Is that your DAW of choice?
For this purpose, yes.
why is that important for you?
@@AudioUniversity cool! Reaper is very kind to CPU. Just started using it 2 weeks ago lol
@@Byron101_ it's not. But when you start using something, you recognize it when somebody else uses it. Mainly a FL user, but to mix large projects, reaper is really nice
2:35 A minor correction: AFAIR the pits and lands are not bits and do not represent 1 and 0. Instead AFAIR, the bits are the transitions between different pits and lands.
yeah man totally.. i miss my rme software. focusrite scarlet is no match to the baby face for sure. probably going to get a UAD sound card next.
Can you afford an RME audio interface? Me either. Voicemeeter is a PITA to learn, but along with VB Cable, it can route audio all day long.
Discrete monitoring in my early recordings really saved my bacon as well as sanity.
Good vid! Unfortunately, I am made quite the opposite experience with RME. I remember buying a brand new RME Multiface, days later getting a call from my trusted music store, asking me to bring it back, as there has been a call back because of a potentially faulty part. Sounds reasonable. So I bring it back, and get "a" Multiface back a week or so later. Only... I got someones old and used Multiface. I did not get my brand new Multiface. RME simply decided to swap them and give me something that was used for years by the look of it, scratches and all.
I talked with my music store, and they made an official complaint. RME more or less told me to go f*ck myself. Now, I had - and still have - a great relationship with my music store and decided to let it go. But I swore to never, ever, use any part of RME equipment any more. This is the single most disgusting experience I had with a manufacturer of... well, anything, not just music related. Doesn't matter how long ago it is, I never forgot. Obviously 🤷♂.
por fin alguien muestra la realidad de rme. la verdad esta dicha, una vez usas rme, se vuelve el último que usas ya que no sirven, tratas de dejarlos lo antes posible. rme fell off
really instructive*, but really, all we want is Auto Tune real time, the rest bro... no need to worry about buffer size when u get the feed from console. never had no problem. UAD is unbeatable.
I know it's an excellent interface. Problem (for me) is the price is much higher than its 'comparable' competitors. And the availability (there's no one sell it here in my country LOL. Has to import it which made it even pricier and difficult to do).
"If you're buffering stereo audio you double that size" Huh? Why would that be? The interface/computer would process the two channels in parallel, so the buffer window would be the same as with a mono file. Using your logic if we use an audio interface with 16 simultaneous channels it will use 16 x our buffer size, which is obviously not true...
I only use class-compliant devices on Apple or Linux. There are drivers (modules) that talk to hardware, but they are developed with the kernel team. Windows is too goofy with the reboots, and glitchy driver install rituals.
Does RME offer any official Linux support? Like, I'm willing to switch if my current interface breaks, but I'm committed to a Pop OS desktop and laptop arrangement, so if there are interface features that require proprietary stuff or additional tools, I kinda want to know *before* spending the cash.
My MOTU Ultralite mk5 will give this thing a whipping.
I’m thinking of getting Motu ultra lite mk5 but I’ve heard their support isn’t all that great, is that accurate information? Does it work great with Logic Pro? Thanks
@@JP-gt8qr I’m on a Windows system and it’s been fine. It supposedly a little better on Mac even.
That’s because Zoom is only capable of using two channels. So mac osx is only able to assign two channels to it. what you need to do is create a virtual interface and route your channels through. On windows it doesn’t know how to deal with multi channel devices so it just breaks them out usually driver Dependent.
The driver is exactly why I did by me an audio interface, otherwise I could have stick with my Marshall amp for recording.
Why doesn’t anyone ever talk about, imho, the most important feature: RME digital synthesised clock?! This is why I have RME units for more than 20 years. Jitter people.
From whome is the background Music ? I like it!
Meanwhile I'm sitting here feeding my Behringer UMC404HD with the sends of a small analog mixer to achieve literally no monitoring latency.
Do windows users really need a custom driver to change the buffer size? Maybe there's something I'm missing, but on Linux pipewire gives me a buffer setting for free.
Now if only there weren't so many VSTs I can't use…
The two most underrated features of an audio interface are 2 individual headphones out and having a monitor mute button
not important to me at all
There's RME, Motu, and the rest
I'm at the point where I am going to upgrade my computer, and do I sick with Mac or go with windows. Also do I get a laptop or PC? All because of Ableton 12!
Just my 2¢ on the matter but I would recommend using what you're already most comfortable with. I use a Windows machine that I built super cheap and it works well for me, but it's also what I grew up using. If you are planning to use your new machine for audio recording or photo/video editing and are comfortable on Mac then I'd stick with it. If you have additional uses in mind for your machine (like gaming) then a switch to a Windows or Linux PC may make a little more sense while generally being less expensive with greater flexibility for upgrades later down the line.
@@Trinigoth it's just for music production.
To be honest I am fine using both operating systems my Mac is at the point now where no one's written updates for them when it comes to music software (e.g. Ableton)
But serious though to a laptop so I'm can be more mobile and have a couple of monitors and a keyboard/mouse that I can plug it into in my studio.
It's going to be one of those times where I drop in a fair amount of cash because it will be it for a good while and I would future proof myself.
Thanks for your message.
@@b00ts4ndc4ts laptops have come a long way in the past 10 years too so, assuming it's got all the I/O you need to hook an interface up then that seems like a great option if portability is the goal. Just make sure your processor and ram are the highest priority when shopping, worry much less about getting a nice video card in there. On board storage will be limited but no big deal with how fast external drives have gotten.
If I were going laptop for music production I would probably go Apple because they are very quiet and reliable.- don't want any surprise fan throttling noise in the middle of recording. If I was going desktop it's more of a 50/50 between Mac and PC. Desktop is my preference for ease of upgrading (expansion slots for whatever I want to add) and full control over fan speeds/etc.
Thanks, great info.
I just can't get the RME drivers to run on my new windows laptop. I have a UCX II. I tried getting help from Microsoft but they know nothing. RME don't respond to emails.
Please do a tutorial on Total mix Fx, it's so complicated 😢
how does Linux use these interfaces? I get low latency on Ubuntu with a real time Kernel and a focusrite.
Didn’t find the video related to latency :/ in the description.
Oops… thanks for the reminder. Here’s the video: th-cam.com/video/zzM4yk3I8tc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=UpT-cRXmd9JqE5o2
There are no RME drivers for Windows Arm yet. Every other audio interface that I have works with Windows for Arm, RME doesn’t.
babyface pro fs baby
I use an RME interface as an ADAT front end for a MOTU interface. The MOTU drivers are garbage and the RME drivers are perfect. Luckily both components speak ADAT so I can just use both through the RME interface.
Linux drivers feeling left out. Why don’t RME make those? And then there’s ALSA, Jack and PipeWire, all great and modern
Laughs in Mac
(great deep dive though!)
Buy an RME, use it and then sell it. You will then fully understand this video in a potentially painful way. What was I thinking?
Which audio interface has the best Linux drivers?
Somebody bless me with a good fix for a lexicon IO-42 driver not working on win10
So apparently my focusrite 6i6 2nd gen only offers the 1 + 2 input for microphone configuration. I cant pick a single channel.
Im on windows 11, but this was the same on windows 10
stereo operations happens in parallel, they don't 2x your latency...
The sketchy Focusrite drives have plagued me for the last 10 years or so
NEVER get an audio interface without a dedicated driver, and always choose a newer one if you can
if i dont have to check compatibility every year i am happy