The problem is China 9.0 is arguably the best 9.0 lineup, meanwhile 9.3 gets contant uptiers so I don't like playing it, same situation with the ZTZ96. But for anyone going for the MBT-2000 it's a good enough grinder.
9.0 is alright, I wouldn't say the best, considering three vehicles are semi-Gimped T55-AMD-1's(Both ZTZ-88s and the Type 69-IIG), a arguably mediocre Patton(Doesn't get the best rounds of the TTS, nor the best APFSDS the american one does at the same BR) and two Paper cars(not bad, but they are terrible on offroad conditions). The 5.0 second autoloaded doom launcher and the ATGM Car are both very good though, overall I think it's okay. But massively outshined by most nations 8.7 Lineups
@@toxicmuggle5788 The M60A3 TTS is terrible I agree, one of the worst vehicles I've ever played. Heavily disagree on the ZTZ88 take, if anything they are better T-55 AMDs, great mobility with composite armour. "massively outshined by most nations' 8.7" 🤔 I don't know about that one, there are some very, very sad lineups at that BR range. Also if the bracket in question is 7.7-8.7 then nations like USSR have undeniable advantage, but I'm talking about 9.0 which faces 8.7 frequently.
@@anisaliu3443 The ZTZ-88B only have the advantage of having a Minorly better APFSDS with only 60° extra pen, but everything else except the accelleration and top speed(Marginal, maybe 3 seconds faster to accellerate and I believe only 4kph faster is the difference) is blatantly worse than the AM-1 with no APHE, Composite on the Turret, and Better Hull Composite Armor(105mm HEAT Shells can't go through, where-as they can on the ZTZ-88, even if sliggtly angled) ZTZ-88A is basically the same but with a slightly longer cannon meaning 23mm more pen, nothing major. This isn't to say they are bad vehicles, but they aren't much better than the Magachs/Pattons or T-55s, or at 8.7/9.0, with generally similar or better Kits, boasting only slightly better manueverability. In Regards to being massively outshined by other nations, I'm primarily meaning better vehicles both for General Gameplay and for better CAS like USA(Great Lineup, Amazing CAS/CAP), Germany(Mediocre Lineup, Amazing CAS, mid CAP), USSR(Amazing Lineup, Ok CAS/Amazing CAP), Britain(Surprisingly Good Lineups, Great CAP/CAS), and I would go on but I'm too lazy to do that for more itterations
Hi Jon, would you ever be willing to do a section on your channel of reviewing matches that people submit to see your critics and how to handle situations better/ coach how they played? There are many times when I play a match and die in a ridiculous ways and I would love to see how a pro would have done it different.
M60 + Abrams Reload = its still an m60, but with a really good gun, and the same horrible maneuverability, not so good armor..... My conclusion, its an over BR'ed M60, why you may ask? Because in a full uptier you meat the russian 10.3 line up
@@touchgrass7834 Didn't catch that in the video, given I'm running on exactly no hours of sleep but yeah, never mind it is nor over Br'ed since it have dm65
Interesting how the 105mm apfsds on this and russia vehicles can frontally one-shot clap everything even from 1.2km away. Gee I wonder if the spalling is different, typical gaijin nonsense.
@@suzanarubi9254 actually no there is only a couple of mbts at 10.0 the rest are ifvs and spaa. A comparable Leopard 2K with 120mm DM23 would have the sauce as this buffed DM63, and the Leo2K doesn't have Gen2 thermals like this has.
The problem is China 9.0 is arguably the best 9.0 lineup, meanwhile 9.3 gets contant uptiers so I don't like playing it, same situation with the ZTZ96. But for anyone going for the MBT-2000 it's a good enough grinder.
9.3 isnt so bad the issue was the 2A4 spam which is gone now.
9.3 is alot better to play now because of no leo2a4 and t80b uptiers, tanks that any 9.3 vehicle simply cannot keep up with.
9.0 is alright, I wouldn't say the best, considering three vehicles are semi-Gimped T55-AMD-1's(Both ZTZ-88s and the Type 69-IIG), a arguably mediocre Patton(Doesn't get the best rounds of the TTS, nor the best APFSDS the american one does at the same BR) and two Paper cars(not bad, but they are terrible on offroad conditions).
The 5.0 second autoloaded doom launcher and the ATGM Car are both very good though, overall I think it's okay. But massively outshined by most nations 8.7 Lineups
@@toxicmuggle5788 The M60A3 TTS is terrible I agree, one of the worst vehicles I've ever played. Heavily disagree on the ZTZ88 take, if anything they are better T-55 AMDs, great mobility with composite armour.
"massively outshined by most nations' 8.7" 🤔 I don't know about that one, there are some very, very sad lineups at that BR range. Also if the bracket in question is 7.7-8.7 then nations like USSR have undeniable advantage, but I'm talking about 9.0 which faces 8.7 frequently.
@@anisaliu3443 The ZTZ-88B only have the advantage of having a Minorly better APFSDS with only 60° extra pen, but everything else except the accelleration and top speed(Marginal, maybe 3 seconds faster to accellerate and I believe only 4kph faster is the difference) is blatantly worse than the AM-1 with no APHE, Composite on the Turret, and Better Hull Composite Armor(105mm HEAT Shells can't go through, where-as they can on the ZTZ-88, even if sliggtly angled)
ZTZ-88A is basically the same but with a slightly longer cannon meaning 23mm more pen, nothing major.
This isn't to say they are bad vehicles, but they aren't much better than the Magachs/Pattons or T-55s, or at 8.7/9.0, with generally similar or better Kits, boasting only slightly better manueverability.
In Regards to being massively outshined by other nations, I'm primarily meaning better vehicles both for General Gameplay and for better CAS like USA(Great Lineup, Amazing CAS/CAP), Germany(Mediocre Lineup, Amazing CAS, mid CAP), USSR(Amazing Lineup, Ok CAS/Amazing CAP), Britain(Surprisingly Good Lineups, Great CAP/CAS), and I would go on but I'm too lazy to do that for more itterations
Woohoo!! CM11 Brave Tiger Video!!! Great work as always, Jon!
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finally cm11 i have waited for this
Hi Jon, would you ever be willing to do a section on your channel of reviewing matches that people submit to see your critics and how to handle situations better/ coach how they played? There are many times when I play a match and die in a ridiculous ways and I would love to see how a pro would have done it different.
Aft09 is underated
Absolutely, love that thing
No it isn't. Everyone knows it's amazing
Taiwan #1
I wish there was a separate tech tree for it.
@@namisu9652 why would there? They are China too (the real one)
@namisu9652 why would true China not be in the Chinese tech tree?
Finally the cm11 video 😂
It's painful researching the mods for this.
Why does these grafiks in the thumbnail look like minecraft at release build? Anyway good video as always.
Chine gems, zbd04, ptz89 and aft09
The new howitzer
The era layout on the turret looks so scuffed
Every game
Appreciate BPA_Jon for being a Player but not using a “Player” in-game name
that might change soon. I start getting focused a bit to much, so...
M60 + Abrams Reload = its still an m60, but with a really good gun, and the same horrible maneuverability, not so good armor..... My conclusion, its an over BR'ed M60, why you may ask? Because in a full uptier you meat the russian 10.3 line up
nah. you dont have that really easy cupola shot that gets you killed every time tho.
Nah this thing is definitely not overbrd'd. Maybe if it had like 330 pen... but it got dm65 105.
@@touchgrass7834 Didn't catch that in the video, given I'm running on exactly no hours of sleep but yeah, never mind it is nor over Br'ed since it have dm65
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i really hate chayna 8.0
you just get slaugthered
it's always uptier 9.0 no matter what
Because 9.0 china is pog. 8.0 is kind of wack IMO.
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Hey John could you please play the M163? (Day 31 of asking) Love your videos ❤❤
Why? Its a useless AA and a useless tank hunter, its got 40mm of pen, it cant pen shit even fromthe side
@m-zn2io I would love to see how John plays it and funny 20mm gatling go brrrrr
yay Taiwan tank!
Jon. I just joined your discord server, trying to get into your wt squadron. Can you accept (i am trying to grind some squadron vehicles)
follow the rules to join one of the squadrons
@@BPA_JonWT I think it’s the second and yes i read the rules
@@MercedesBenz0s go into the application channel and ping me with your name please.
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Interesting how the 105mm apfsds on this and russia vehicles can frontally one-shot clap everything even from 1.2km away. Gee I wonder if the spalling is different, typical gaijin nonsense.
Maybe because this thing uses DM63 at 9.3 its a solid round same with 3BM22 on the 72s. Its just the rounds are good
@@suzanarubi9254 sounds like it should be like 10.0 then
@@JaykeBlayde No it shouldn't. Many tanks at 10.0 are just objectively better with more armor, mobility, or new technology
@@suzanarubi9254 actually no there is only a couple of mbts at 10.0 the rest are ifvs and spaa. A comparable Leopard 2K with 120mm DM23 would have the sauce as this buffed DM63, and the Leo2K doesn't have Gen2 thermals like this has.
@@JaykeBlayde Yeah but its faster has a 20MM and better survivability. Mobility is king at 10.0+