I remember being shown this in seminary when I was in high school. I occasionally come back to watch it and it regularly fills my eyes with tears. I'm so grateful for Jesus Christ and his Atonement for us.
I think I read in one of the comments that asked: "So you mean you have to repay Jesus Christ now?" NO. You can NEVER repay Jesus Christ no matter what you do. But now, Jesus sets the terms and conditions like faith, repentance, etc.
Exactly. My parents basically paid for my first year of college out of pocket and from my dad's hard earned GI Bill. They have never asked me for any of that money back because their intentions wasn't to get their money back, but for me to grow and prepare myself to be a good man, have a steady foundation in life, and set myself up for the future.
Rick Macy. The creditor who handed the quill pen was my High School drama teacher. What a great man! I'm so glad to have met him and see him in Church videos.
My husband told me about this old seminary video after I told him about the talk this week that I found during my CFM studies. Thank you for having it on TH-cam so I could enjoy it!
"What I shall say I could say much better if we were alone, just the two of us. It would be easier also if we had come to know one another, and had that kind of trust which makes it possible to talk of serious, even sacred things. If we were that close, because of the nature of what I shall say, I would study you carefully as I spoke. If there should be the slightest disinterest or distraction, the subject would quickly be changed to more ordinary things." I've always loved this intro to the parable.
So God is the collector. He wants a full payment so that justice will be served. Children of God are all sinners, therefore God requires a mediator and that is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ had to suffer, bleed and die so that justice will be served.
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Nope. In LDS theology Jesus is a helper and the LDS church is not the true church. The true church is those who have trusted alone in the finished work of Christ. The thing is we just don’t always know who those people are.
Jesus Christ is El Goel or Redeemer. He is our Savior. His Gospel or message of Salvation from the grasp of death are his terms of the Eternal covenant of salvation for children of Heavenly Father.
I never liked this analogy. Guy wants a farm, gets lured into a predatory loan scheme, can't pay so creditor seizes his farm. The Lord pays the debt (to whom? Is God the loan shark, or does Jesus buy off Satan?) The concept of religious debt was explored by David Graeber in "Debt: a 5,000 year history." The Lord's atonement doesn't work this way, and most of history concerns predatory loan practices that trapped people in debt peonage. To present the atonement in a depiction that belittles the farmer and validates the loan shark...geesh
@DaveCannon Thank you for posting your comment it really got be thinking. Here are some of my thoughts about this that help me understand this analogy more. I think if you look at the analogy in that way it does seem confusing and Aaso your questions regarding who Christ is paying off is also a great question. I think the answer to that question helps me better understand the analogy. Christ isn't paying off anyone he Is "paying off" justice. With each choice we make certain consequences follow, so for example if we partake of drugs we run the risk of becoming addicted. Justice is the force that requires those consequences to happen. Christ suffered and felt every single thing, so that he could step in. He is the mediator the one who allows us to be forgiven. So instead of thinking of it has a predatory loan think about it has the choices we make wether good or bad. I also don't think it is referring to Christ has a loan shark. If it was to show him has a loan shark he would have said I will pay off your dept but now your loan is 10 percent more in interest. Instead it shows him satisfying the laws of justice and providing a way for us to come back and live with our heavenly father again. The other important thing to realize is that we choose to come this earth. We knew that we would need a mediator. We also knew it was the way for us to grow. If you never let your kids out of the house they will never be able to experience being on there own and making decisions on there own. However with that we know that will make mistakes and so did out heavenly father. Sorry this is so long and hopefully this was worded in way that made sense.
It is an imperfect metaphor, to be sure, but it resonates with me deeply. It's something we can all understand. It's easy to place ourselves in the shoes of the young man and imagine the fear and hopelessness followed by the deep sense of gratitude toward your redeemer. In this video, the 'loan shark' is not Satan. The 'loan shark' is simply justice personfied. The creditor represents the unfeeling and unflinching demands of the laws of God. They must be satisfied for without justice, God would cease to be God. I very much enjoy this metaphor, even if it isn't perfect. (But, by definition no metaphor is...)
Romans 4:4,5. If you are trying to pay back the creditor (Jesus) you will never be able to pay it back, your not trusting in Jesus who is the Savior, not the helper; after all he is the one who proclaimed while hanging on the cross “it is finished”, meaning paid in full!
Hi Anna, the point of the video is after Jesus pays the debt, the debtor, that is us, isn’t free anymore, Jesus changes the terms of the debt and places us back in bondage, thus becoming the creditor once again. The true gospel sets us free; that is why Jesus says “paid in full” while hanging on the cross.
@@gfree4244 Seems to me we're in debt to Jesus. I'm good with that. I owe Him everything, and have pledged my life to Him. He has feed me from the bondage of sin, and for that I will serve, follow, honur and worship him for all my days.
This video is blasphemy. At 8:02 the Jesus figure says he will pay the debt IF the debtor accepts Jesus as the NEW CREDITOR (Jesus then says the debt will be paid back to HIM, and it will NOT be easy, but possible). Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world (John 1:29). There was NEVER a deal made that people had to pay JESUS BACK. The Gospel is NOT what is shown in this film, it is is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
It is EXCRUCIATINGLY erroneous to believe that our sins nor any of them will be forgiven if we keep doing them. Plus eternity never ends so paying the debt back really has to be a inevitable part of our eternal growth and preparing for our eternal roll
My price to Jesus Christ is a broken heart & a contrite spirit. I humbly get baptized & follow Jesus Christ. It isn't easy but it is possible. It is a glorious plan that Our Heavenly Father created for us.
@@rousemotorsport The part that is false doctrine is how it states that Christ now becomes our legal creditor. If the borrower was unable to pay the debt before, how will he be able to pay it to his new creditor Jesus? Makes no sense.
@@lux-creteranch1122 7:52 "You will pay the debt to me, and I will set the terms." And the debtor wasn't unable, just careless and foolish. This is a parable, after all; you might just have the wrong interpretation. In this case, his debt was voluntary and probably not identifiable with life.
I remember being shown this in seminary when I was in high school. I occasionally come back to watch it and it regularly fills my eyes with tears. I'm so grateful for Jesus Christ and his Atonement for us.
Brings tears to my eyes every single time. It shows myself how grateful I truly am for the Savior and the Atonement.
I think I read in one of the comments that asked: "So you mean you have to repay Jesus Christ now?" NO. You can NEVER repay Jesus Christ no matter what you do. But now, Jesus sets the terms and conditions like faith, repentance, etc.
Exactly. My parents basically paid for my first year of college out of pocket and from my dad's hard earned GI Bill. They have never asked me for any of that money back because their intentions wasn't to get their money back, but for me to grow and prepare myself to be a good man, have a steady foundation in life, and set myself up for the future.
Rick Macy. The creditor who handed the quill pen was my High School drama teacher. What a great man! I'm so glad to have met him and see him in Church videos.
My husband told me about this old seminary video after I told him about the talk this week that I found during my CFM studies. Thank you for having it on TH-cam so I could enjoy it!
Best church video ever made
man, this one gets me every time. I also love that it's the music from the Testaments
Thank you! I have skates loved this video and now share it with my kids.
Great reminder of who I owe.
"What I shall say I could say much better if we were alone, just the two of us. It would be easier also if we had come to know one another, and had that kind of trust which makes it possible to talk of serious, even sacred things. If we were that close, because of the nature of what I shall say, I would study you carefully as I spoke. If there should be the slightest disinterest or distraction, the subject would quickly be changed to more ordinary things." I've always loved this intro to the parable.
Thank you for uploading this! I love this video!
The young man (the debtor) is named Kevin Rahm. He went to BYU and has had significant roles on Desperate Housewives and Mad Men.
Thank you! I knew I recognized him
So God is the collector. He wants a full payment so that justice will be served.
Children of God are all sinners, therefore
God requires a mediator and that is Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ had to suffer, bleed and die so that justice will be served.
wow
that really hit my heart. What an amazing message. sending hears! kisses mwa
I meant sending hearts lol
Cheer~~~a person who attempts to make people involved in a conflict come to an agreement--- a go-between.😊
Thank you 🙏 ❤
I added Korean subtitle so that I can show this in a Sunday school class. Could you please approve the work?
It needs to be reviewed first. Ask some of your bilingual friends to help with that.
I've had my friend review it, but it still doesn't show up. Anything else that I need to do?
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Clearly, one friend isn't enough, and you need more. How many is impossible to say, but I'd ask your friend to spread the word.
So, the debtor just took on a 2nd creditor. Nothing changed. He is still in debt, the 2nd creditor still requires justice eventually.
Jesus is our savior.
The church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is gods true church on earth today.
Nope. In LDS theology Jesus is a helper and the LDS church is not the true church. The true church is those who have trusted alone in the finished work of Christ. The thing is we just don’t always know who those people are.
@@gfree4244 you need to educate yourself.
Hey, cool! Ted Chaough before he went into advertising!
Hello Amanda, how're you doing today?
What up, cousin? Lol. What are the odds I find a comment of yours from 6 years ago on TH-cam? hahaha
@@JoneThePwn Clearly we enjoy old seminary videos!! 😂
@@miss_amandamae LOL! haha I occasionally come back to this when I need a gut-punch right in the feels.
Awesome video, but it is from 97’ ☺️
Jesus Christ is El Goel or Redeemer. He is our Savior. His Gospel or message of Salvation from the grasp of death are his terms of the Eternal covenant of salvation for children of Heavenly Father.
Do you guys read christ sermon of the mount(and all christ teaching)?? That was all his term 🤔
I never liked this analogy. Guy wants a farm, gets lured into a predatory loan scheme, can't pay so creditor seizes his farm. The Lord pays the debt (to whom? Is God the loan shark, or does Jesus buy off Satan?) The concept of religious debt was explored by David Graeber in "Debt: a 5,000 year history." The Lord's atonement doesn't work this way, and most of history concerns predatory loan practices that trapped people in debt peonage. To present the atonement in a depiction that belittles the farmer and validates the loan shark...geesh
@DaveCannon Thank you for posting your comment it really got be thinking. Here are some of my thoughts about this that help me understand this analogy more.
I think if you look at the analogy in that way it does seem confusing and Aaso your questions regarding who Christ is paying off is also a great question. I think the answer to that question helps me better understand the analogy. Christ isn't paying off anyone he Is "paying off" justice. With each choice we make certain consequences follow, so for example if we partake of drugs we run the risk of becoming addicted. Justice is the force that requires those consequences to happen. Christ suffered and felt every single thing, so that he could step in. He is the mediator the one who allows us to be forgiven. So instead of thinking of it has a predatory loan think about it has the choices we make wether good or bad. I also don't think it is referring to Christ has a loan shark. If it was to show him has a loan shark he would have said I will pay off your dept but now your loan is 10 percent more in interest. Instead it shows him satisfying the laws of justice and providing a way for us to come back and live with our heavenly father again. The other important thing to realize is that we choose to come this earth. We knew that we would need a mediator. We also knew it was the way for us to grow. If you never let your kids out of the house they will never be able to experience being on there own and making decisions on there own. However with that we know that will make mistakes and so did out heavenly father. Sorry this is so long and hopefully this was worded in way that made sense.
It is an imperfect metaphor, to be sure, but it resonates with me deeply. It's something we can all understand. It's easy to place ourselves in the shoes of the young man and imagine the fear and hopelessness followed by the deep sense of gratitude toward your redeemer. In this video, the 'loan shark' is not Satan. The 'loan shark' is simply justice personfied. The creditor represents the unfeeling and unflinching demands of the laws of God. They must be satisfied for without justice, God would cease to be God. I very much enjoy this metaphor, even if it isn't perfect. (But, by definition no metaphor is...)
Romans 4:4,5. If you are trying to pay back the creditor (Jesus) you will never be able to pay it back, your not trusting in Jesus who is the Savior, not the helper; after all he is the one who proclaimed while hanging on the cross “it is finished”, meaning paid in full!
Right on. Mormons teach false doctrine on salvation. It is no place more clear then in this video.
I think you've misunderstood the video. Jesus isn't the creditor. Jesus is the one who pays the debt in full to free the debtor.
Hi Anna, the point of the video is after Jesus pays the debt, the debtor, that is us, isn’t free anymore, Jesus changes the terms of the debt and places us back in bondage, thus becoming the creditor once again. The true gospel sets us free; that is why Jesus says “paid in full” while hanging on the cross.
@@gfree4244 Seems to me we're in debt to Jesus. I'm good with that. I owe Him everything, and have pledged my life to Him. He has feed me from the bondage of sin, and for that I will serve, follow, honur and worship him for all my days.
Shall we continue in sin, that grace shall abound? God forbid!
This video is blasphemy. At 8:02 the Jesus figure says he will pay the debt IF the debtor accepts Jesus as the NEW CREDITOR (Jesus then says the debt will be paid back to HIM, and it will NOT be easy, but possible). Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world (John 1:29). There was NEVER a deal made that people had to pay JESUS BACK. The Gospel is NOT what is shown in this film, it is is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
It is EXCRUCIATINGLY erroneous to believe that our sins nor any of them will be forgiven if we keep doing them. Plus eternity never ends so paying the debt back really has to be a inevitable part of our eternal growth and preparing for our eternal roll
It's clear that Christ paid the debt of sin if we follow him. While we can't repay him we do owe him everything.
My price to Jesus Christ is a broken heart & a contrite spirit. I humbly get baptized & follow Jesus Christ. It isn't easy but it is possible. It is a glorious plan that Our Heavenly Father created for us.
So Matt. 7:21 is blasphemy? James 2:17 is blasphemy?
@@hobbygamer6220 Thank you for being balanced, reasonable,…
This is false doctrine. Please do your research in the bible.
You apparently did not watch the video. It simply states that Christ paid the price for our sins. Through Christ we can be saved.
@@rousemotorsport The part that is false doctrine is how it states that Christ now becomes our legal creditor. If the borrower was unable to pay the debt before, how will he be able to pay it to his new creditor Jesus? Makes no sense.
Romans 4:4,5
They just don’t get it right Andrew?
@@lux-creteranch1122 7:52 "You will pay the debt to me, and I will set the terms." And the debtor wasn't unable, just careless and foolish. This is a parable, after all; you might just have the wrong interpretation. In this case, his debt was voluntary and probably not identifiable with life.