Benny Morris on The Israel-Palestine Conflict | “It’s NEVER Going To End!”
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- Eli Hassell talks to Israeli historian Benny Morris about the Israel-Palestine conflict.
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thanks for doing this, Eli! you a real one!
Poor work. You didn't push for context, Eli. Hamas' genesis was a RESULT of Israel's apartheid policy.
At 24:40 he says that "This Western charity to Gaza should end." Meanwhile, Israel has received and continues to receive billions from the West yearly for many decades. He's not calling for that charity to end.
Thank you Dr. Morris! the most honest & credible historian out there for this particular conflict.
“… said absolutely no one ever.”
Lmao he's one of the most respected historians for this conflict, even a lot of your beloved finklestein work is based on Benny's literature. You're delusional 🤣 @@moscowboyjer
Oh really? 😂
Yes, sorry it doesn't fit your Al Jazeera narrative @@KnowledgeBoutique
Honest 😅😄, are you kidding
Benny Bennelli, father of Steven Bennelli. Head of the Bennelli crime family.
And a UFO landed in your bath tub.😂
The cherry-picking source of Norm Dickelstein
Uncle of Normal Fingerbang
Mr. Bonarooboombi
😂😂😂
destinys dad is cool man
Benny is the best, most honest, trusted Historian.
Research new historians and Israel. he is not the best or most trusted.
That is a bit religious. No.
Trusted by who? The Israeli government who he is a mouth piece for ? Ilan Pape who put his career on the line to speak the truth is the one I trust
says what you want to hear = speaks the truth, LOL retard@@Danny310563
True, he is one of the few that isn't playing team sports and twisting everything he can to match that. Only blind ideologs who are the core of the conflict dislike him or his work.
Benny Morris ? Thumbs up straight away
Genocide supporter
Let’s gooooo! Favorite historian with my favorite moderator.
I like Benny Morris so much ! Humble, honest… I am glad he finally decided to speak up and put things straight. We have had enough of those demagogues like Finkelstein, or Roger Waters who are nothing but arrogant imbeciles. No doubt there is a lot of suffering going on in Gaza. But Hamas is to blame for it !
hate your enemies is warmperson's basic behaviour rule, I suspect …
@@hp1921 Neither Finkelstein nor Waters are my enemies. And as for hating them, I despise them too much to feel hatred towards them. These two characters share the same pathology: obsessive compulsive disorder.
Always good to hear the true narative of Israeli-Arab history and conflict from Benny Morris...one of the most informed historians we have today on this subject!
He is a self confessed racist so not sure how true his analysis is
his words on Rafah show he is a psychopath
I wish Benny Morris would link the words of the Hamas leaders with other Islamists; Mustafa Barghouti, Mohammad Hijab, Hasan Nasrallah, Abdulla al Andalusi, Ghazi Hamad, Takadum Al-Khatib and new favorite according to Al Jazeera, Yemeni imam, Habib Umar bin Hafiz, to name a few. The West is next, they want Spain back, etc, etc.
Benny has written an article "1948 as Jihad". he would have written a book on it but the archives are closed in arab countries.
Global jihad is a threat to the civilized world.
Are the idf not jewish jihadis?
As far as the Islamists are concerned, now that they have established a significant presence in Western European countries, Canada, and the United State, all of that belongs to them as well!
Benny is, if nothing else an honest interpreter of current events. Worthwhile interview, even if l am inclined to side with Gazan populations.
What makes you inclined to side with a radicalized terrorist supporting Islamic suicidal jihadist ideology? Just curious
I mean, yeah Gaza is getting hit hard, but with Hamas working with Iran for Islamist ideology, it seems there won't be much change while there is a Hamas.
That's the right position. What needs to change are the conditions of the palestinian people. No matter how much Israel is justified to embark in this destructive war that remains the most important goal. Israel has a moral duty to advance the project and what comes after this war will if they'll fail it.
13% of Palestinian Arabs do not support October 7th.
@@hartyewh1It’s the mentality of the Gazans and the rest of their kind that needs changing.
Every Muslim who has read the Quoran knows that the land belongs to the Jews.
So why do they act as kafirs?
They moved in for 500 years. This is like Land Back by Native Americans. We can agree this was and should be their land, but ask anybody, no matter how sympathetic they are to what happened to native Americans who owns a home or any property in the Americas if they would cede their homes and or properties back to the indigenous and just leave. No they wont.
today's muslims were actually jews when those scriptures were penned. First came the jewish religion, so the population there went from being pagan Yahwism believers to what became the one God religion: Judaism. Then from there came Islam. Then christianity. The people who lived there at the time were all jews to begin with
Thank you Eli and Benny for doing that. It is so refreshing to listen to Benny, the most accurate voice in the world on the topic right now.
Benny said that if an invading people live long enough in a region they have conquered, let's say several centuries give or take a few, then that people can now be considered "indigenous" to that region!
Do you know how absurd that sounds?
And if you don't think it sounds absurd at all, can you please tell me just how much longer Americans of both European and African ancestry will have to live on the North American continent before they too, will be considered to be "indigenous" people of this land?
@@bryanjackson8917 Sir, you take Benny's words out of context. I'm an Israeli, and as such, I understand fully what Benny is talking about. Not specifically in the quote that you wrote but overall. Try to grasp the big picture rather than be consumed by the lies of those pigs.
@@MrStuv I'm sorry you are so confused about what Benny Morris said and how that is in direct contradiction to the definition of the word "indigenous". Here let me briefly explain it to you.
First, Benny's own words: Starting at the 1:50 point in the video he says
"The Palestinians have a claim (to the land) because Arabs have lived in the country since the 7th century AD when they CONQUERED it and began to settle there..."
He then goes on to further explain the history of the Mideast region the Arabs CONQUERED and how the population there converted to Islam over time. (Note: He doesn't really go into whether this conversion was forced or voluntary, but that is not germane to the present analysis).
He then makes this statement beginning at the 2:30 mark in the video.
"...so in that sense they (the Arabs) are an indigenous people, even though as I say they came and conquered from somewhere else, they came from Arabia and conquered the land in the 7th century..."
Now in case you are confused about the location of "Arabia", it is my solemn duty to inform you that Arabia is not in the Mideast but due south of that region of the world.
The region the Arabs originally came from is known as the Arabian Peninsula for good reason, as they are indigenous to that region, but as I said Arabia is not located in the Mideast. (Feel free to consult a map to verify this fact if you need to.)
Here is the definition of the word "indigenous" from Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary (10th ed.).
Indigenous \ 1: having originated in and being produced, growing, living, or occurring naturally in a particular region or environment
Now I don't know about you or anyone else, but to me the words "came from somewhere else and conquered the land" don't quite seem to be in accord up with the words "occurring naturally in a particular region or environment".
But then, perhaps your tolerance for bullshit and Orwellian style doublespeak is much higher than mine!
@@bryanjackson8917 I appreciate your lengthy response. Usually I get bullshit, but this one was very informing. Thanks.
I guess it depends how you look at it, but no matter how you choose to, the jewish people will always be more indigenous than the Arab population in that region.
I guess Benny tried to be kind by saying he understands the claim of the Arabs to the land, although I don't believe that Benny actually believes that those Arabs have the same right to the land as the Jews do. He just tried to please both sides. He is not a debater or anything like that, he just loves researching history.
If you don't put it in the context of the so-called "conflict", than they do not have a good claim to the land.
The chicken and egg situation cannot be solved by risking Israel's security. It will not be and Israel has a duty towards it's own people to not allow that. The only effective path forward is for the palestinians to prioritize their own future instead of trying to take it away from Israel.
So your plan is genocide, we knew that already.
Thanks for this Eli, from a British Jew. I hesitated to listen to this interview as listening to Morris has in the past, made me want to throw a brick at my computer because of his apologism for Zionism's excesses. But you respectfully and rightfully 'held his feet to the fire' on the subject of Israel's historical dominance over the Palestinian's rights to self determnination and in particular, the stifling of any economic opportunities for the people of Palestine. As an historian of Zionism, Morris must well know that no Israeli regime has ever genuinely wished to see Palestine or Palestinians become economic equals or achieve economic autonomy. In fact he says as much in one of his answers, when he refers to Palestinians being 'allowed' to cross the border to work in Israel (by implication, to work FOR Israelis). No mention at all about Palestinians working for other Palestinians in viable Palestinian-owned businesses in an autonomous Palestinian state. In my opinion, he didn't mention THAT because he knows very well that Israel would never allow such circumstances to exist.
Well spotted - one of several blind spots he avoids (or does not even see) - no genuine peace without justice (as Desmond would have put it)
@@UTubeISphere Is your idea of justice also your condition for a genuine peace?
Tell it like it is, Benny!
Benny said that if an invading people live long enough in a region they have conquered, let's say several centuries give or take a few, then that people can now be considered "indigenous" to that region!
Do you know how absurd that sounds?
And if you don't think it sounds absurd at all, can you please tell me just how much longer Americans of both European and African ancestry will have to live on the North American continent before they too, will be considered to be "indigenous" people of this land?
He’s a good historian but is biased when it comes to military speculations and questions about Hamas in my opinion. Check out Jacques Baud, he’s Swiss French and is an expert on that conflict. His English is good, don’t know if his books have been translated in English but he’s serious, reputable and used to be in intel/military so that’s certainly a perspective I’d like to hear.
So let me get this straight, Benny.
Apparently you said that if an invading people live long enough in a region they have conquered, let's say several centuries give or take a few, then that people can now be considered "indigenous" to that region!
Do you know how absurd that sounds?
And if you don't think it sounds absurd at all, can you please tell me just how much longer Americans of both European and African ancestry will have to live on the North American continent before they too, will be considered to be "indigenous" people of this land?
@@bryanjackson8917 No, it doesn't. That's how humanity lived for thousands of years. Just because the "invaders" are Jews doesn't mean the rules of game should be changed. Otherwise, literally everyone in the world is "an invader".
@@utility00 Look up the word "indigenous" in any dictionary and you will find that it always refers to the original inhabitants of a land. Always!
So for example, the Aborigines of Australia, the native peoples of the Americas and the Pacific islands, the Ainu of Japan, and the list goes on and on and on.
The Palestinians are of Arab descent, and the Arab people are indigenous to the region now known as "Saudi Arabia" which is directly south of the Mideast but is not the Mideast. (Look it up on a map if you are unsure about this fact.)
The only conclusion that can be drawn from this analysis is that the so-called Palestinians are not indigenous to the region they now occupy, that region being the Mideast and the land of Israel.
(Notice the word "Arab" in the name Saudi Arabia. Surely that must mean something to you?!)
Moris claims at 11:30 that the only choice is to destroy Iran's nuclear capability. This is silly. The US had a deal in place with Iran to halt and monitor their nuclear bomb development. Netanyahu encouraged the dolt Donald Trump to abandon this deal, which he did, and this has made everything exponentially worse and more volatile in the region. Moris ought to address this point.
Iran was weaker and further away from nuclear power when Trump was in office. Where are you getting your information from?
I think it’s silly to make deals in good faith with a leadership who aims to develop nuclear weapons to destroy you, the big Satan
@@watching7384The IAEA had independent inspectors in Iran who verified that they stopped developing nuclear weapons as part of the nuclear deal. Iran started enriching Uranium again after Trump withdrew from the deal in 2018.
@@DrEgonCholakian are you seriously in belief that an "independent agency" can accurately confirm if Iran is able to enrich uranium to weapons grade atomic level without access to their military sites? Does it not sound naive to you? Furthermore, it was clear that Iran was completely struggling to survive under Trump, now 3 years under Biden they are flourishing and more powerful and closer to nuclear than ever before. Why? And why would Israel clearly be against the deal. Because they are the main target..
@@DrEgonCholakian What do you think the "independent inspectors" response would be once it was brought to light that Iran was able to enrich uranium to nuclear weapons grade under their watch because they were unable to access any of their military sites. Other independent organizations have said they were likely to contain nuclear research. Do you think they would respond with "we are sorry" or "it was not our fault". Which do you think?
Year 500AD the land was majority (Greek) Christian and numbered 2.5M. Muslim Arabs invaded in 7th century but did not settle the land. They looted and "taxed" the residents who fled bringing the population down to 500K. Then came the Mamluks (1290 AD) who persecuted non-Muslims and emptied the land further to 123K by 1525 (first Ottoman census) Muslims were at this time the majority. But they were non-Arabs. Arabization of the land took place here (by non-Arabs, Mamluks and Ottomans were Turks) and Ottomans encouraged immigration of Muslims from Europe, North Africa, and Central Asia. Arabs only immigrated in 1904 to 1947. They are foreign. There were in 1830 Egyptians that invaded and after they were kicked out some remained, but in 1800's the population was only 275K and were Bosniancs, Algerians, Circasians, Jews, Samaritans, Druze, Beduin, Afghans, Germans, Americans, and Greek and Latin Christians. They spoke Arabic, dressed like Ottomans, and wore a fez. But the land was nearly empty. By 1919 there were about 630K with 80K Jews.
Fascinating that this nearly empty wasteland had on it a group of people willing to fight and die for this territory for over a 100 years against the Zionists. The Zionists on the other hand were willing to leave their places of origin at the drop of a hat. The same will be true when Palestine is liberated and the Zionists who are unable to live beside their Arab brothers in peace will probably make use of their second passport.
Wait - no mention of roman conquest nor Christian crusaders that resulted in significant diasporas of Jews ?
Also, the population of Palestine was approx 300,000 at the beginning of the Ottoman Empire in the 1500s. Source: Jewish Virtual Library
@@jchan9761 123K not 300,000. See Ottoman census in 1525. 275K in 1800.
@@1czechit1 I cited my source. It would be informative if you did the same, especially since the Ottoman Empire is known to have conducted only 4 general consensus and these started in 1800s.
@@jchan9761 Rivka Shpak Lissak's books "When and how the Arabs immigrated to the land of Israel Part I and II" You can also find her lectures and interviews on TH-cam but the books are really detailed and sourced. enjoy.
Even in the novel by writer David Grossman, called (The Smile of the Lamb), which revolves around the Israeli (Uri), who serves in the Israeli army in the West Bank. He discovers the truth about the practices against Palestinian civilians and is shocked because he did not know anything about what is happening in the occupied Palestinian territories. The novel depicts the emergence of an extremist movement against Israel that is also hostile To the (Palestine Liberation Organization), but it more brutal, when there was only PLO. This novel was published in the 1983 same year in which the author gave birth to his son, Uri, who is the same name as the hero of the novel. During the Israeli war in Lebanon, David Grossman’s son, Uri, was killed by an extremist party, Hezbolla The resemblance to Hamas, which did not exist when the novel was published, is a kind of painful, rhetorical prophecy.
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You seem to blame all the problems on the Palestinians people. You don’t de-radicalized a people by illegally (yes international law) taking 1000s of acre and repression. Palestinians have never been rewarded for peace. Israel has made a two states impossible and I are not interested in a sheared state so it want perpetual war until live becomes unbearable for the Palestinians people. A new state of Israel/Palestinian should be formed with a strong constitution not based on any religion. As you rightfully stated both sides have a right of occupation so a just division of land and resources must be devised. Possession is 9/10 of the law. Israel supported by USA will continue as an apartheid state if the world allows it. Strong sanctions and world isolation is required to bring fair change. Start with an Olympic boycott.
Wow you have alot of this ass backwards. I twas the Jews who tried a two state solution several times. Seriously who gives up conquered land (conquered from a foreigh power btw). Apartheid doesn't exist in Israel as Israelie citizens have full right. However even that defeats the purpouse of a Zionist state, a state for jews to have autonomy in. This idea of a one state does what exactly for the jews? Why do the jews have to give up and compromise over and over again when they are clearly the victors here? The few times Palestinians agreed to anything they have had peace. This conflict is always seen through the worst lens. There are plenty of arabs living in Israel and under Occupation as well that life normal lives believe it or not.
But I agree with one thing I would like to see Israel completely take the entire region that was deemed for the Palestinians, finally put together a constitution which grants civil rights to all but maintains a Jewish army first and foremost, and a complete dedication to maintaining the historical memory of Muslims, Christians and Jews in the land.
Any comment on Netanyahu's enabling and support of the rise to rule of Hamas?
He led humanitarian aid go through Qatar. If that's what you call supporting then blame every western power for providing money to Hamas too.
Also, anyone who supports the Iran Deal and makes that statement is nothing but a hypocrite.
didnt happen
stop reading bs on the internets
@@lesweizman388 The Times of Israel and NY times both pro zionist have made this assertion on what basis you say it didn't happen? The intercept published a similar article with direct quotes from former Israelis intelligence and military officials. Divide and conquer makes a lot of sense
It was Condoleezza Rice who allowed Hamas to run for the first elections in Gaza (accoding to the Oslo accords, only parties that recognized Israel could run, and Hamas didn't. But Condeleezza decided they won't be elected anyway.) So US did quite a lot to enable and support Hamas as well. Why? Because they believed that Hamas could be good and do good for Gazans. A honest mistake that cost so many people their lives.
@@Danny310563 you're funny. The Times hates Israel.
Gaza has had 19 years to put its big boy pants on and join the modern world.
With what? they have been locked into just a survival mode without access to modern facilities.
With what ?
Literally Billion or dollars given to them. @@daniello9155
@@daniello9155 That would be impossible. They depend on Israel for water and electricity, and they get it. Have you ever seen photos of Gaza? It's modern! And half the cars that move between Gaza and Israel are luxury sedans. What kind of nonsense are you peddling?
@@vladimirputindreadlockrast812 Full moon
@@vladimirputindreadlockrast812 I am sure thez had been living the high life with over 50 percent unemployment.
Benny may know history but fails to even address reality. Not one word on how the occupation (including Gaza) plays the biggest role in this conflict. Survey the Palestinians on whether they would choose freedom or Hamas, I assure you a large majority would choose freedom.
What your point? is it the ethnic cleansing of the Jews that live there?what are you different from the other colonials?
he's supposed to be a historian and he said Hamas killed 1200 Israelis, completely ignoring the fact (acknowledged by Israeli media) that the Israeli helicopter gunships and tanks in the kibbutzes together killed around half that number.
Eli asked whether Gaza can prosper under these conditions.
Benny Morris said the people in Gaza could work in Israel before the blockade.
That doesn't answer the question! So some could partake in the success of Israel. Furthermore, you had to go through 10-20 checkpoints per day to work in Israel.
No this is before the checkpoints. Alot of folks forget how those checkpoints came to be and it wasn't a few people working. Besides that Gaza before the election of Hamas did in fact have some economic viability. It wasn' tjust work from Israel it was also Egyptian connections as well. Egypt placed a major blockade as well on Gaza.
Benny's explanation of the Palestinian claim and their ethnicity was a bit confusing due to his use of the word "Arab." He calls them "Arabs" because that is generally how they refer to themselves and how they are distinguished within Israel from the Jewish population. He is not saying the Palestinians immigrated from the Arabian Peninsula. In fact, he very pointedly stated they are the descendants of a converted -- from Judaism, Christianity, and paganism -- native population. The fact that there has never been a Palestinian nation state has no relevance, which is why he doesn't even mention it. Nations have historically formed from a confederation of tribes or ethnicities.
In 1800 there only 200000 Arabs in palestina. In 1914 the number growing to 600000. That means that most the Arabs don't lived in palestina from generations. One the other hand the jews who lived in Arabs countries lived in the Arabs countries for generations and left the Arabs countries after suffering a lot from pogroms
@@yoavpeled-h2cand no, the Jewish people that emigrated from many countries of the Middle east and north africa to Israel were beckoned with offerings and promises of better life by zionists not forced out by violent muslim extremists. As you say, those jews lived there for generations with no such problem. Generations of peaceful and cooperative coexistence proves that israel is the cause of that emigration and the cause of the modern problem of violence in the region.
@@yoavpeled-h2cUmm. No.
For a population of 200k to reach 600k in one hundred and fourteen years would only require a Birth rate of 17.6 per 1000 population. This is a much much lower birth rate than is prevailing in the same area currently. As of 2023, the estimated birth rate in Gaza is 27.5 births per 1,000 population. So, no, you are wrong and incorrect. In fact, if your numbers are correct, then they are proof that almost all, and if not all, of the Palestinian people (or Arabs of the Levant) are actually, certainly, the descendants of the original indigeonous population, at least from the population of 1800ADE. Because having people come there from elsewhwere would mean that the birth rate would have to have been LOWER than 17.5 per 1000 and considering it is currently 27.5 it's practically implausible that the population growth wasn't nearly exclusively from local people birthing the new group members.
So your argument is super not a smart one.
@@darrene.vonbraun4421 that is what I call shut that bs down analysis. I applaud you
@@darrene.vonbraun4421You're assuming all those births had a high chance of survival. Generally areas of high birthrate are due to lower chances of survival to adulthood. I'm sure in modern times, Palestinian healthcare has lowered death rates significantly, but I doubt that was the case before the 1947.
Very good conversation. But it was remarkable to hear him speak for 35 minutes about the conflict and *never once address the question of negotiating* with Hamas or any other of the powerful entities representing Palestinians. It's quite obvious there will never be peace or a settlement if there is no talking, no negotiating. There are only ever two options in these kind of situations: speaking and negotiating or conflict and occupation. I found the absence of this option in Professor Moris' analysis striking.
He has talked about negotiating in other conversations. The lack of solid representation from Palestine is a problem
@@juancsmix thats the problem??? not the fact that most of the israeli govt. supports genocide openly(just read israeli news they are much more honest with their blood thirsty population)????
What sort of peace do you expect to make with people whose main objective in life is to murder you in the most brutal way they possibly can, and are willing to self-destruct on their way to accomplish this life's mission?
So let me get this straight, Benny Morris.
Apparently you said that if an invading people live long enough in a region they have conquered, let's say several centuries give or take a few, then that people can now be considered "indigenous" to that region!
Do you know how absurd that sounds?
And if you don't think it sounds absurd at all, can you please tell me just how much longer Americans of both European and African ancestry will have to live on the North American continent before they too, will be considered to be "indigenous" people of this land?
Why would they want to work in Israel? I’m sure that they prefer to grow their own economy.
Clearly they didnt want to work in israel since they used the work permit program to plan the attacks fo oct 7.
You would imagine, but no. After Israel left the Gaza strip in 2005, leaving vast agricultural infrastructure, the Palestinians destroyed all of it, except for parts they could use for warfare.
And you are wrong. They don’t think like Westerners
Dr Morris also forgets that the Jews also emigrated and conquered the land from the Canaanites - Jews originate from what is now Iraq.
Well, they were told to do so by god - and it all happened in a mythological text. Should there be reparations to the Canaanites too? I'm willing to agree under the condition that the pharaohs compensate the Jews.
Americans came fom Irland Scotland and England. So?
Netanyahu's government's plan has been somewhat released and it seems to be based on Mordechai Kedar's Emirate solution where the "families" (Tribes) will hold power individually rather than a national or Islamist group like the PLO or Hamas. These tribes will be responsible for their areas and would be held accountable individually. So for example (and this is a gross over generalization) Dier el-Balakh is lets say Mahmud hauls (family) they would rule Dier el-Balakh, conduct courts, decide when the garbage is picked up, choose police officers, run the courts. But would not conduct foreign policy.
On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord. John 12:12,13
Benny Morris is okay from an Israeli zionist viewpoint. He is critical at times but no way as good as Prof Avi Shlaim, who is on a totally different level.
Avi Shlaim is an Ashkenazi hater.
Shlaim argues that Jews were fine under Arab rule in Iraq, Iran, etc. They were not, living as second class citizens. Even as someone non-Jewish, I get it how, after two thousand years of persecution, the Holocaust being the final evidence, Jews themselves changed internally to become "external". Read Begin's words on being a "proud Jew". It simply rankles the Arab world that Jews refuse to be second class any more. Jews don't have time to fight their Arab neighbours continually. Arabs need to get over their irrational hatred of Jews for no other reason than that they are not Muslim. Good heavens! Billions of human beings existed on this planet before Islam was ever thought of ! And Arabs might learn something from their Jewish neighbour. It's only one small state and world Jewry is only some 15 million people ! 🤣 Peace and prosperity to all !
add Ilan Pape and Norman Finkelstein
I am from Canaan= philistine=Palestine In today’s flag would be 🇵🇸 we accept Jews Christians Muslims
We will not cheer for Zionist ideology -simple request Dignity and equality is all we ask for.
We want peace for the world not a piece of the world. We are already there my brothers all we ask is justice dignity equality my brothers.
Stop teaching in your schools to your children hate towards the Canaanite’s =Philistines =Palestinians.
Love -peace -blessings from the river to the sea.
Violence is not the answer my brothers from another mother same father. It’s so sad to see both side go thru this war it’s only building more hate we are going backwards rather than forwards. Let’s build a better future together Love Dignity Equality-
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Saying Palestinians are Canaanites is absurd lol
Also pretty sure the plishtim are extinct
@@drunkenself1227 don’t be mad at the facts my brother I did my DNA
Brother please stop the hate there’s no room for that here.
@@drunkenself1227 yes it is and equally so is saying the modern European Jews are direct descendants of the ancient Hebrews
Regarding the solution in the first stage, we need separation and for the Palestinian authority to start educating not to hate jews. After time passes and there is no more hatred you can thing of cantons like in Switzerland. All in all among the Palestinian there is a lot of jewish blood mixed with Arabs blood. Regarding the name palestinian, the name has nothing to do with the Arabs who called today palestinian. I am an Israeli jews and I never hated Arabs. Most Israeli also like me don't hated Arabs. In israel there is minority that hated Arabs. On the other hand in the Palestinian authority and in Gaza children are taught from a young age to hate Israelis as well to hate jews. I return to hate jews. Before the establishment f the state of Israel in 1921, in 1929, in 1936 Arabs slaughtered jews. In Hebron, there was a Jewish community that lived there for generations and the Arabs slaughtered them in 1929. In irak in 1941, Arabs slaughtered jews in the Farhud. In marocco in the city of fez in 1912 Arabs slaughtered jews in the Trital. also in 1948 in the city of ojda. The jews suffered humiliations in Yemen Algeria Libya.
So who should Liberate Palestinians from Israel occupation
Hamas terrorists, one presumes? LOL
Palestinians have their country - Jordan.
And israelis have their country poland germany ukrain Russia France.......... go back home
And jews have their country: Texas
Keep up the good job Eli ❤ I love your videos
Indeed, if the two parties refuse to live in one equal and democratic state in the land where they both now live - 4 million Palestinian Muslims & 4 million Jewish Israelis - then this will go on indefinitely. *It all depends on the moral imagination of the people.* Or perhaps, the moral imagination of the people in power - which makes things less hopeful.
First of all, it’s 7 million Jews.
Second, Israel always sought to create peace through a two state solution, while Palestinians never had the slightest inclination to compromise. Hence, you are wrong and you are stupid
Your imagination is too wild
@@ZviZvik The "wild" option of two different religions and cultures living in one nation state, as happens in about 95% of the countries in existence today.
What?
Is this wandefull thing happening in the arab states? What happened to the Christians in those states?
Benny Morris' answer to the first question about the right of Jews and Palestinians to live on the same land. I find it reasonable for me as an Arab, and I find it a basis for moving towards peace. But I disagree with him and with many Israelis about the answer regarding Hamas. It's very stereotypical for me, even though I don't like Hamas. In fact, I feel that the Israelis unconsciously love Hamas more than the Palestinians. To say that Hamas : ----> is an Islamic fanatic, anti-Semitic, anti-gay, anti-women, and a hater of Jews and wants to kill all Jews, or at least the Jews of Israel...this is too " beautiful" story to be true because it responds to what Israel's need for an imaginary mental image of its enemy according to its perception and not according to the real reality, is believed by children, not adults.
Was Oct 7 a reality? Or just part of that imaginary beautiful too good to be true story?
it's literally on their charter
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When we say (it is an imaginary image derived from Israel’s need to be the same image as its enemy in reality), this does not mean that the events will occur in imagination and not in reality, but rather it means that the strong can turn his choices into a reality... instead of a reality that he feels he does not control it.. As an American politician once said: (The strong is the one who chooses his enemies, not his friends)... And I hope you do not ask me: In this case, does the strong not have friends at all? Of course, Israel has friends, but it chose for its enemy to be Hamas, not the PLO. Of course, America has more friends than Israel, but America chose its enemies carefully: Iraq, Afghanistan, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban. You are able to understand these matters, but you do not find It is useful for you to understand it
@@ibrahimanan1874 Israel could’ve made the Palestinian people their enemy, just as the Palestinians have always made all Israelis their enemy, not just the idf. As you can recall, The US made the the German and Japanese people their enemy, not just the third reich and the imperial Japanese army. They targeted civilians with heavy bombardment in Hamburg, Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. Some of the bombing even included Nuclear Power, and the German and Japanese forces weren’t embedded within the civilian population. How are the Palestinians any better than the Germans and Japanese? The overwhelming majority of them support Hamas, far more than the Germans supported the nazi party. The Germans’ support was somewhere around 45%, and it was well understood that that constitutes a responsibility on the population, enough to make them the enemy. Anonymous Surveys in Gaza and even the West Bank where the PA is in control show that 75%-85% support Hamas. And you best believe those who don’t support Hamas don’t feel more empathy towards the Jewish people, they are just more realistic and know they don’t have much chance, and they also don’t support Hamas due to governmental issues and corruption, not because they don’t want Jews getting killed. Israel could’ve made the Palestinians their enemy. The reason they did not do so, and are taking every measure to avoid civilian casualties, is because they prefer not to make the entire Arab world their enemy, and to continue pushing towards normalization with the more moderate Arab countries, especially with Saudi Arabia and the other Abraham accords counterparts. However, seeing as the Palestinian people are indeed capable of being considered an enemy, I don’t think discussing civilian casualties as an attack on Israel’s handling of the war is the right way to look at it. Rather, each civilian Israel spares should be thankful to Israel. After the war, Hamas will no longer control Gaza. If The Palestinians want to be recognized as a nation amongst nations then they have a responsibility as a society to themselves and their children to come together and support a change, and to implement a government who will look to bring prosperity to the Palestinians and be peaceful with their Jewish neighbors. Until they do so, Israel will carry on waiting and will in the meantime continue to protect themselves.
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What a wonderful coincidence...that your enemy was in the same image that you wished for, before it existed. Then in 1988, Hamas announced its existence, so the Israelis looked away from it and continued to chase their old secular (enemy): Fatah, the Popular Front, and the Democratic Front that accepted peace, and Israel secretly welcomed the Islamic enemy that ..etc..from what was mentioned in my first comment
Misleading title. Benny Morris has a dubious interpretation of truth. He reports historical facts just fine. But his historical analysis is screwy. This is odd because his analysis of modern situations is from dubious facts (like most of us) but is pretty rational according to those facts.
I sympathize with the Palestinians in this conflict, but I don't think Mr Morris is wrong. Eventually Iran will develop nukes and Israel will cease to have any war deterence advantage over their enemies in the region. I suppose we could argue whether Israel has a right to be there at all, but the idea that in time, Iran will become a nuclear power capable of destroying Israel whether directly or by arming their "enemies" isn't far fetched.
It is useful to distinguish between Sunni and Shia, and look at the tension between them when talking about the relation between Iranian regime and Hamas.
¿TO BE IN THE COUNTRY 3000 YEARS AGO GIVE YOU THE RIGTH TO BE THERE, TO OWN THE LAND? I HAVE NEVER HEARD THIS KIND OF ARGUMENT
It was 2000 years ago, not 3000, and he talked about a claim on the land rather than a right. No one has any right on any land, but a perception that the land is theirs. Ever since the Jews were expelled from the land, it had been constantly under the control of one empire or another. There's always been a Jewish presence in the land, where the Jewish people were forged. For all this time, Jews always prayed to return to their land. There is a long historic, incontrovertible, and unique connection of the Jewish people to this land.
And I imagine you haven't heard many arguments in your life. That doesn't undermine them whatsoever.
wouldnt the Cannenites be the only people who could claim palestine as historically theirs since we dont know of any group before them?... i just dont get how Israel can bring up ancient claim thousands of years old when they actually slaughtered the existing populace before them lol
You will find the Arabs slaughtered many in their conquest of the region..fir example, Iranians were subjugated, forced to convert. Iranians are Persian, not Arab !
What do you think Palestinians are we are Canaanites…..
Do you believe the Bible is an historical source?
stop...the Quran teaches a man how to lie...to live in a fantasy...its unfortunate@@FA-ms9jc
Palestinians and Jews are both descendants of the Canaanites, with various admixtures. We are cousins.
7:22
"Avenging"
Was an interesting Freudian slip.
Is he saying Netenyahu isn’t aggressive enough in going after Tehran and its nuke program?
yes
Not Netanyahu, but the allies are not currently willing to join Netanyahu and engage with Iran. Mr Morris is saying that if they don't help Israel get rid of the Iranian government, Iran will develop superior weaponry and Israel may cease to exist.
Useless and unconstructive perspective, Mr. Hassell does not understand the nature of the box Israel moved the unwilling Palestinians into, then decries their unwillingness to remain therein.
In an alternate universe I'd seriously doubt Euro-Americans would yield to be sent into what are now current Native American Indian Reservations giving their willing consent despite provided utilities.
Palestinians are culturally Arab but ethnically they are Canaanites. They adopted arabic and converted to islam (while others became christians).
Egyptians are culturally arab but ethnically they are egyptian. sudanese people are culturally arab but ethnically they are african.
latin americans are natives but culturally they adopted catholic religion and spanish language.
so benny morris claim that Palestinians are arabs coming from arabia is inaccurate.
Canaanites are extinct. Ethnicity is more than just DNA remnants.
Jews also have Canaanite DNA.
Clearly, the civilization that predated them all would stick around, and their DNA would pass on.
Are the Jews of the ancient Israelite kingdoms also Canaanites? Or do we conveniently skip over them?
The jews were exiled by the romans long before the Arabs came to town. How could they have become Arabs and formed a majority?
Palestinians also have Arab DNA why do you choose to make them Canaanites and not Arab? They identify as Arabs.
Should we say that the Americans who have native American DNA are Native Americans? What about African Americans with DNA from ancient African Tribes?
Come on Benny, why don't you tell us what you really want. The Palestinians in Gaza expelled into Sinai.
they can play in the sand there
Come on Golden why don't you tell us that you wish Israel to be destroyed.
@@MrAbuYaz I would tell you but TH-cam keeps cutting out my tongue
Keep wishing bro. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results each time is called insanity😂😂
@@goldencalf5144Benny doesn't think so, but you gays /guys are trying to make it looks that way
"See, the Gaza population used to work in their previous land. How righteous we are."
Nobody tell Eli here to explain the attitude of non-jewish workings within the borderning settlements around Gaza.
And so why did Netanyahu/Isrsel fund Hamas ,the Palestinian Resistance movement then ? !!
How many times do people have to move or be relocated?
Have to change their hearts. Not likely soon, seeing they've been fighting since before the pyramids. When is Jesus coming back?
Benny Morris said that if an invading people live long enough in a region they have conquered, let's say several centuries give or take a few, then that people can now be considered "indigenous" to that region!
Do you know how absurd that sounds?
And if you don't think it sounds absurd at all, can you please tell me just how much longer Americans of both European and African ancestry will have to live on the North American continent before they too, will be considered to be "indigenous" people of this land?
As long as the US backs Israel, it’s never going to end. When the US becomes more civilized and pulls its support, Israel will start to behave like a normal country and peace will prevail.
that's a stupid reply. hamas didn't attack on oct 7 because of us support of israel
@@stephenglasse2743 this conflict began on Oct 7? Talk about a stupid reply…
@@levantinian *this* conflict *did* begin on Oct 7. Israel had withdrawn from Gaza in 2005 and ethnically cleansed it at gunpoint of all Jews and handed it over to palestinians who *then* voted for hamas. Hamas couldn't help themselves and decided to slaughter maim and kidnap israelis by crossing from territory handed to them by Israel *into* Israel itself.
@@levantinian it DID begin on Oct 7! Prior to that date Gazans were living in a potential Mediterranean paradise gifted them by Israel who had removed from it all Jews at gunpoint. Now, it's a bombed out warzone.
“Paradise”? “Gifted”? You are truly sick.
There would be no forest fires without trees.
In other words, it’s our way or the highway.
That's what you got from it? Clearly an israeli would focus more on their priorities than on palestinian priorities.
Unfortunately, when you get Palestinians on, all they can talk about is how evil Israel is. No introspection, no self awareness, no accountability.
Christians lived in Armenia. I'm a Christian. So I should be allowed some land in Armenia.
Christians also have a claim to the land, their religion having originated there (out of Judaism) and the land conquered by Christians repeatedly during the Crusades. "The population of Palestine was mostly Christian until 1187 when Saladin, a Sunni Muslim of Kurdish origin, led a military campaign against the Crusaders...."
The people of Christiania.
@@ef2718 Christianstine.
@@strictlyroots7343 What peoplehood? Ethnicity?
@@ef2718there are christian nthoreligious groups in the middle east
So skip the entire history class up till present day 😂😂😂
" TO Memorizing POLITICS of ANCIENT H I S T O R Y-- FLUNG DOWN BY CORPSE EVANGELISTS " - Bob Dylan, a Jewish Christian
As a Muslim I wish you all the best, you are also getting in trouble because of this ruthless government in Israel, how Israel is behaving goes beyond any principles and laws of a decent war. Imagine just being a father in Gaza whose only wish is to not be killed or starved to death with his family and having no safe place to go, no one could accept this injustice done to himself and his family. The ruthless, excessive, lawless behavior of Israel will not bring any solution to anyone, it didn’t even harm those who kidnapped the hostages from Israel, it only harmed the others. If I was a Jew I would stay away from Israel.
If I was a Palestinian I would stay away from israel. Palestinians are not welcomed there
What do you say, "as a Muslim" to the honor killings of young Muslim women all around the world? Any "ethics" regarding that?
we aint your dhimmi
you have no right to tell jews how to live and go about their biz
You’re welcome to stay away from Israel or discussing Israeli politics, even if you’re not a jew
As a Muslim, you can stay away from Israel all you want. As a Jew, I depend on Israel as the last place in the world that will take me.
At least this person admits Israel turned Gaza into a ghetto
Hamas turned it into a Getto- Israel just doesn't want the ghetto spilling over into decent countries
It's no secret that after 2006,thats what happened
who cares about Dave Smith? hes not a historian/ politician
I doubt we can get "the truth" from Benny Morris
I doubt you would recognize the truth even if it slapped you in the face
Very informative
great question!
The only suggestion of de radicalization I have heard is to steer all resoirces to the most progressive voices people still lissten to.
Excellent interview
Research "new historians" and Israel.
Hamas won elections in 2006,Israel didn't like then closed the borders,don't forget Netanyahu founded hamas
This chap looks like a young Woody Allen.
Maybe they are related somehow
Why do so many Zionists have trouble understanding that people can change religion? Jews can convert to Christianity and Hebrew, they can be conquered and change language. Pagans and Christians can convert to Judaism, and learn Hebrew...
Palestinians can be descended, in part or whole from the ancient Canaanites and Hebrews. the idea that because they are Muslim and speak Arabic, that they are from Arabia is not correct.
And Israelis can be descended in whole from people who converted to Judaism, who have absolutely no evidence at all of any genetic ancestral ties to the ancient Hebrews or Canaanites.
Because
1. Judaism discourages conversion to Judaism, it takes ~3 years of study, conducting ones life according to religious rules (and there are plenty of them) under supervision, passing religious court (and circumcision for males).
2. Conversion to Jewdaism under Islamic rule ends with capital punishment.
3. Often the same under Christianity.
4. NTM gaining the benefits of a religiously persecuted minority.
5. It is wrong to project the easy conversion procedures shaped and utilized in favor expansionism by imperialistic regimes on conversion to Jewdaism.
from the camel's mouth, before these leaders understood that flapping their lips might come to bite them in the behind in future....
1. "There is no such country as Palestine. Palestine is a Zionist invention"... 1937 Awni Bey Abdul Hadi
2. "There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history, absolutely not.”...Prof. Philip K. Hitti, distinguished Arab historian, author of the authoritative book "The Arabs", testifying at the 1946 Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry.
3. "Such a creature as Palestine does not exist at all...." Ahmad Shukeiri 1956
4. "The Palestinian people does not exist...". Zuheir Mohsen (31 March 1977 - interview : “Wij zijn alleen Palestijn om politieke reden,” James Dorsey, Trouw)
5. “A state named ‘Palestine’ has never existed.”...Hafez al-Assad, Syrian President, at a conference in Amman in 1987
6. "Brothers, half the Palestinians are Egyptians, the other half are Arabs...." Palestinian Minister Fathi Hammad - In a speech broadcast on Egyptian Al-Helma TV on 23 March 2012
7. "Jordanians and Palestinians are one people living in two states" .... "Mahmoud Abbas" - 20 Oct 2016
The process of appropriating the title Palestinians by Arabs started in 1966.
ngram viewer shows it very clearly in a black on white plot curve.
You just made a better claim for Jews to live in ISrael/Palestine. The Jews globally while, sure have married non, jews, majority did not convert, I mean a GIANT ASS majority never converted. Look no further beyond Spain as to how Jews were actually ocnverting to christianity however they were still dubbed Jews. Because Jew means Judean. Judeans come from Palestine if you want to call it that. Majority of ARABS in palestine arrived in waves and we are not talking about religion. We are talking about the ethnic group. They came with their own cultural flavor but it was very identical to other arab cultures as well, Syrians, Lebanese etc...
Now the Jews while living all around the world still had one connecting geographical place and that is and has always been Israel.
Speaking of genetics a crap load of genetic studies links both Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews to Levantine ethnicities. Majority of Jews in poland are vastly different genetically from the polish population. Sure 1000 years is a long time but does that mean they're claim is any weaker? A few years ago I got to see a native american dance, and the main dancer was very white. But he was off the tribe (can't recall if it was Alqonquin but north eastern). Think about this would anyone tell him you aren't really of this tribe you are white...Certainly not. But why the difference for Yehudi?
Before the arrival of Christianity, everyone was either Jewish or Pagan. even the Palestinians then were either Jews or pagans, as Islam only appeared in the 7th century AD.
There were no Palestinians back then. It's absurd. They only started solidifying a national identity a century ago.
31:00 is there anyone that's an expert on deradicalization?
Interview Ofer Cassif and Ilan Pappe
So Benny. Whatabout the Jews who converted to Islam by the Arabs? And the Jews who converted to Christianity some 700 or so years before the Arabs came? What do we call the descendants of these people? That's right, Palestinians.
where is the evidence for these mass conversions?
@@lesweizman388 The DNA of modern Palestinians, mostly Muslim, strongly matches that of the ancient Jews. Much more strongly than what the Ashkenazi do. Not to mention the general history of mass conversions to Islam happening all over the world. Not only in the Middle East, but in North Africa and even as far away as Indonesia and Malaysia. Most of the Muslims in Malaysia aren't Arabic. They are indigenous. So why should it be any different in the Levant?
Most Israelis are not askanazi. Europe doesn't consider askanazis European. Your point is meaningless.
@@evamurray2564 The Ashkenazi were the architects of the Zionist movement. Without them, there would be no modern state of Israel. And till recently, they held virtually all of the positions of power in the country.
@@evamurray2564 Most of the Mizrahi in Israel are not Indigenous to the country. They come from other middle eastern countries and North Africa.
Is this Mr Morrilli?
If it was willing might it be a viable idea tole the Saudis govern Gaza the future?
The Saudis have enough trouble governing their own people.
Free palestine people and country from river to the sea
Only by changing the textbooks and the Imams
It’s never going to end? How do you know? Are you a Clairvoyant?
Great interview
Problem begins with beginning of interview - stating it's a tough question who has claim to the land. Precisely because there is this ridiculous secular approach is what provides the enemy with fodder!
THIS IS NOT FAIR THIS PERSON TALK ABOUT THE HAMAS BEHAVE BUT HE DOES NOT TALK ABOUT ISRAELI FOTCES INCURSIONS IN GAZA IN 2014 IDF KILLED 2200 PEOPLE IN GAZA IN 2008 IN 2018 IN 2021 ALL THESE YEARS IDF HAVE BEEN KILLING PALESTINIAN IN GAZA, I 2018 THERE WAS A PROTEST PEACEFULL PROTES WITH PEOPLE WITHOUT ANY GUN AND THEY KILLED 200 PEOPLE SO PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE KILLING OF ISRAELI PEOPLE ON PALESTINIAN
This interview should properly infuriate both sides so there's no doubt in my mind it's mostly the truth. Burst your bubble!
I think Benny is wrong about Netanyahu not having a plan. At this stage in the game it would dangerous to announce that the PA will take over gaza because it could start an uprising in westbank/judea sameria, that will cause Israel to perhaps have to fight a more intense two front war then they are already fighting (if the announcement were to signal that israelis and the PA are on effectively the same side in this conflict). Similarly a premature announcement of how long israel will occupy gaza or how de-hamasification will work could effecively aid the enemy in their insurgency against israel. I sincerely believe here, bibi is taking a note from the playbook of donald trump "dont tell the enemy wheren your going to do something." If bibi had no plan whatsoever for the day after the first stage of taking over gaza ends, i dont think israeli troops would be there, or prioritize anything other than the immediate, and rapid liberation of every hostage. However, we see these are not the objectives on the ground, rather the final objective remains unclear, and this I think its plausable to believe is a strategic move not only from bibi but from the whole war cabbinet.
Net And Yahoos plan is a final solution to the Palestinian question. No doubt about it now.
@@jdsthird clearly not because israel would be attacking the palestinians in the west bank as well, but it does not do this and it is at complete peace with the palestinian authority. So no, maybe just use your critical thinking skills and think for once in your life.
@@angerycamel2 There are over 400 dead in the West Bank and 8,000 imprisoned with no charges or trials. At peace? What delusional world or alternate reality do you live in? They are talking about humanitarian islands for the 1.5 million refugees they displaced in Gaza. This is a euphemism for concentration camps. Wake up please before it’s too late. Never again.
@@angerycamel2 Look up the deaths and imprisonments in the West Bank since October. Reality bites.
Look up the numbers from the West Bank since October. It’s awful.
SO HAMAS WANT WHAT NETANYAHU WANT ONE STATE. THEY WANT THE SAME BUT IT SEEM THAT ISRAELI HATE PALESTINIAN THAT IS ALLRIGTH BUT NOT THE OPPOSITE WAY. AND IF ISRAELI GOVERNMENT WANT JUST A STATE THAT IS ALLRIGTH FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA, BUT NOT THE OPPOSITE WAY. THIS ARE NOT EQUAL RIGTHS
This is one side history story and it sounds childish not academic 😂
U r da Bestest, Eli!😌
The original Jew is Semite. Polish and Russian Jews are not.
MIDDLE. GOD.
If this guy is the best historian in iseial, that proves they dont teach history in Iserail, what you think about the liquid party charter ?
its never a happy convosation with benny
The Ashkenazi are European.
Oddly many of Morris' justifications can be directly translated to various settler colonialist. Such as the Americans, Spanish and Nazis.
"Why does our subjects reject us? I know! It has to be antisemitism." Ridiculous.
You forgot every major European country, also Ottoman Empire, and the abbasid caliphate. Difference is that jews were not coming from a Mother country as an extension., But they were coming to reestablished their lost kingdom.
How else would you justify the presence of Arabs in the Middle East? If you’re against “settler colonialism”, and believe indigenous people have a right to their land, or a right to return to it, that would make you a Zionist, wouldn’t it?
Israel (and the original partition plan) was the result of decolonizing the land from the British (after centuries under the Ottomans). The Jews accepted, the Arabs attacked the next day. By the way, Jordan was also created as part of that same process. But that's ok I guess because there's no Jews there.
thats incorrect because European countries have no claim to any of the lands they colonized. All they did was march into Africa, Asia, America with their powerful weapons, conquer and steal the resources of these countries, and anyone who said no was killed and tortured. When it comes to Israel, Israel has no natural resources, Jews only wanted to come to Israel bec. that's where they are from
Islamic state cannot be allowed to obtain nuclear weapons
One of the reasons the Nazis were (thankfully, too) slow in developing a nuclear weapon is their rejection of “Jewish science” - hopefully Islamist antisemitism will give them the same attitude 😂
Boring debate. Israel is a developed country period. Palestinians doing have a right to any land
So's Taiwan a developed country. Big deal.
Christ is king .
AM YISRAEL CHAI
Come on. Let's talk about specific borders. Palestinians have as much right to Israel as Turks have a right to syria😊
Greater Palestine was Jordan Lebanon and Southern Syria. They threw it away. In any case all these Arabs are generically the same.. People have been displaced throughout history... look at Sudetenland and Silesia after WWII or India and Pakistan. Get on with life.
@@paulamarsh1 So, when it's the Jews turn again, don't start whining and bitching....
Do you know how many pelestinian are in Jordan?
Yes it will! Read a bible for the final score!