Palestinian Exodus: Facts and Myths with Prof. Benny Morris
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Breakdown of the Palestinian Refugee Problem in 20 seconds: The year is 1947 and the UN announces its Partition Plan for Palestine, also known as resolution 181. Promptly, the Arabs residing in the region open fire on Jews. Eventually a war breaks out and the exodus of 700,000 Palestinians ensues.
This has turned into one of the most controversial debates in modern history. What caused the Palestinian exodus in the years 1947-1949? There’s the mainstream Zionist narrative, more or less that Arab leaders urged the Arab population to leave. There’s the mainstream Arab narrative, basically Zionist ethnic cleansing. And then, there’s Professor Benny Morris. Now buckle in because this is slightly more nuanced than the stuff you might be used to hearing.
Professor Benny Morris is the professor of history in the Middle East Studies department of Ben Gurion University. He is the author of several works including The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949. And, he’s a pretty cool dude. So we are thrilled to join him in his home this evening to talk some history!
If a country attacks you, you are legally allowed to take their land. I am not a lawyer or historian but I know this.
These 2 hosts open with saying they're only recently and vaguely acquainted with both Morris' work and the topic of 1948... and then go on to constantly interrupt and contradict a world-renowned historian on the topic when he alludes to things they don't like. How embarrassing.
Yeah, these two guys should just sit down, shut up and ask thoughtful questions without interrupting. They are trying to talk like it’s a first date with a girl they are trying to impress, and failing. If you don’t know what you’re talking about, just shut up. So annoying watching this crap.
Really great talk, the dude in the black though (on the right) was quite distracting though, he seemed to always interject mid-convo with subtle underlying motivation to push the professor/author into a biased view. Was this supposed to be a subjective talk or him solely talking about history?
agreed
Yes he's an incredible bonehead... Imagine having to ask if the Armenians are Christian... Or getting prepared to get upset if the sacred word 'holocaust' gets applied to their genocide.
The guy in the right side is irritatingly interrupting senselessly..a jerk
How can purchasing land be ever considered stealing?
What was the difference if any between the:
The palestinian entity and the palestinian mandate? of which Jordan occupies 2/3 and colonalised by the Heshemites?
How can a desolute land sustain 700,000.?
good stuff
cool
Why do the hosts keep interrupting him? It’s REALLY annoying to listen to!
I'm definately going to buy the new book about the ottoman crimes.
I read the comments and dived into it at 25 minutes and lasted for about a minute of the guy to the right interrupting constantly. Tiring.
“Is expelling 50,000 people including men, women and children from their villages (based on their ethnicity) a war crime?” Geee let me think such a hard question. 🤔
It's amazing how they downplayed the bottom line, deliberate announced ethnic cleansing, and deliberate unannounced ethnic cleansing, and the most important factor that they did not let them come back and finalized their ethnic cleansing, and they were still trying to say, you know that happens in wars. To be so close to the point and have all the facts and still miss it reflects the sever lack of morality. No execuses left.
Why were they expelled? It wasn't for no reason. If you want to tell a story you need a complete picture. You can't cherrypick events and come to accurate, truthful conclusions.
This happens a lot in war especially when the militias are mixed in with civilians it's very hard to distinguish between the two. The Arab militias also committed atrocities against Jewish civilians, so you have to look at it in context. It was a mistake by the Israelis to not let Palestinians return. One idea behind no right to return or may have come later was to use it as a bargaining tool for peace treaties. In other words, they offered Palestinians, under vetting conditions the right of return in exchange for peace treaties but it failed. Ultimately it was a mistake since it obviously contributed a lot to the refugee problem and gave them more justification to completely reject Israel as a state.
@ahyaok100 Good points, but I disagree with classifiying the denial their return as a mistake. They were a potential 5th column and would have destroyed the fledgling state from within. Short of a peace agreement it made no sense to allow them back.
@@Santirata The Israelis probably couldn't imagine that this would lead to essentially an endless refugee status carrying on generation after generation thanks to guys like Arafat.
The guy on the right is a clown. Just wanted to Benny to reinforce his talking points and views. Obvious he doesn’t know the actual history but just talking points. Surprised how objective Benny is, kudos to him.
Went to jail for not serving....... so if every Israeli did that those rock throwers from the 1st Intifada would have ended up where?!
İn midde east all comunity live in peace before world war one population of bagdat 2/3 jew they live there in peace ask avi shlaim
What age jew become majority of this land never
Engrish?
@vahdetyldrm2144 Israel ruled for at least 600 years, read the Bible, old and new testaments cover to cover. Read recent Biblical archeology
All the blame on arap absurd
Lies
"...Arabs are also victims of Zionism" - Prof. Benny Morris
Benny makes the statement the Arab leadership did not encourage Arabs to leave, and then gives a number of examples of Arabs doing just that.
Before Benny was a historian the way the story was told was in such a way that all of the displaced people were said to have left either of their own accord or because Arab leaders told them to. That is what he was calling a myth. One of the reasons he is a famous historian is because he brought to light documents and histories which showed that the old narrative was false and that Israel actually did at times force some people to leave
@brianmacadam4793 Benny gave the examples to show that the general myth had a core of truth. These examples were the exception, not the rule; but, such exceptions begat myth. So the original generally applied Israeli narrative was false, but that does NOT lead to the Arab narrative, that a generally applied ethnic cleansing was the rule
@@eddienoragong402 I don't know that many conclusions can be made from the available data regarding Israeli actions..
I don't look at the last 50 years of the war zone would say "ethnic cleansing".
At the same time there is AMPLE evidence of Arab governments across the region performing cleansing AND genocide of Jews, Christians, Coptics,...
If you're concerned about government actions think about Assad in Syria, or Iranian leadership actions.
@@taylorbarrett384 according to the numbers about 10-15% were actively expelled, the rest indeed fled so I'm not sure why that wasn't mentioned
@@Meg-ts3kx well Benny says they fled in large part because they knew the army was coming and heard reports of atrocities and didn't want to wait around just to endure that and get expelled anyways
All of this not fact
Lol, so what are your facts?
Benny Morris: setting the document story straight with 98% of the archives still sealed.
#FreePalestine
They were free
Which "Palestinians" (Southern Syrians)? The Jordanians?
Colonialists talking about colonialism.
Israel is not colonialist
Can't colonize where you've always lived. Mizrahi Jews have had a presence in the Levant for 3900+ years. Historically and archeologically.
you mean muslims ?
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Yeah...no thanks. Face it, Israel ain't budging, the best the Palestinians can do is negotiate for an autonomous republic within the State of Israel for the West-Bank and cherish the independence Gaza may gain if they play their cards right.
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