Here in the US, when iden was still around, we could establish a tethered data connection without any extra tariffs on a Boost Mobile prepaid line. The speeds however, were painfully slow however for basic browsing on mobile optimized sites and text based chat such as IRC it was passable. The dmr network connection is perfect for telemetry applications which don't require frequent high volume data transfers.
That's really interesting! I would imagine the speed of data transmission would be similar to the old GPRS networks on 2G considering the limited bandwidth available.
Maybe next time you could do continuous ping to see how many packets drop. Very interesting. I wonder if the handset connected to a Windows device by USB would be more reliable?
Very interesting indeed. Could I do that with the "newer" Anytone AT-D878UVII-Plus? I know it has Bluetooth, but I always thought it was just for audio...
If IRC you can bridge the TRBO radio with a standard network on your PC and then you can pull packets from the WEB. Like you said it horrid for anything on a couple bytes but check that out. Mind you this was done with some 7550s and some 65XX radios via wire.
Yeah the issue with making the radio fully available to a modern computer and letting it use it as its primary network connection is that there is just too much data throughput, think of all the built in apps trying to access the network, it ends up overwhelming the network interface... now if you can just limit data sent and received on the radio interface then it could be useable.
@@andykirbyTools exist to severely restrict data usage of web pages, that could do the trick. I recently got the same type of packet data connection working with P25; it required very strict firewalls to avoid overwhelming the radio's network interface.
Nice feature and easy to install! It will be nice to see also a speed for sending a 20KBytes file, and you can compare with speeds obtained using VARA FM. Encryption transfer is allow in ham radio bands in UK?
@@andykirby Slow can have different dimensions/sizes. Sending a file using AFSK 1200 bauds is slow, going to 25210bps is another thing. That's why I am interested to see the speed using Moto solution.
I remember seeing a video of yours where you show CPS settings for Hytera, and I think I saw radio to PC IP and forward to PC checkbox. Can hytera do this as well? And if so, is it interoperable with Motorola?
It's a good question. I'm not sure if the two are compatible but it's highly likely. DMR is a standard and both Motorola and Hytera use network interfaces.
@@andykirby Is there a chance you might test that out? I'm considering my first DMR radio, and second hand hytera are more plentiful and cheaper here than Motorola...
Hey Andy.. Just a note to let you know YT unsubscribed me from your channel. Was wondering where you went lol. I didn't know that about Motorola Radios. Thanks ;)
It isn't a lot faster, the reason it's slow is because the radio modem is currently configured to ACKnowledge packets so if a packet is not received by the other station then the radio resends it. I will try turning it off but of course then you lose some resilience.
@@andykirby There has got to be a FEC mode, or forward error correcting mode where instead of waiting for ack the packets include a hash of the contained data and self check on reception only requesting retrans as needed.
as I see it this is still limited by line of sight. Now....the methods of getting further ie ham repeaters or Motorola proprietary sytems are gatekeeped by financial or regulatory laws.
No, to access the Internet, one of the radios would need connection to an Internet gateway with a subscription. Some places provide dial up for free though so… maybe? But not by itself, no.
Here in the US, when iden was still around, we could establish a tethered data connection without any extra tariffs on a Boost Mobile prepaid line. The speeds however, were painfully slow however for basic browsing on mobile optimized sites and text based chat such as IRC it was passable. The dmr network connection is perfect for telemetry applications which don't require frequent high volume data transfers.
That's really interesting! I would imagine the speed of data transmission would be similar to the old GPRS networks on 2G considering the limited bandwidth available.
Have you played with ATAK "Android Tactical Awareness Kit"? Pairs well with radio networks. Text messaging and location dots on map.
I managed 2.5kbs across the city via my repeater. But at 3am when it was quiet and not doing any OTA updates...... in 2017... Oh, not in the UK
Love it computer data boy
Yeah Bwoy
@@don9100 hey don
Maybe next time you could do continuous ping to see how many packets drop. Very interesting. I wonder if the handset connected to a Windows device by USB would be more reliable?
Very interesting indeed. Could I do that with the "newer" Anytone AT-D878UVII-Plus? I know it has Bluetooth, but I always thought it was just for audio...
Them ping times are crazy high! For me to ping Australia from Hertforshire is only 294ms I wonder why its taking 1.5 seconds.
Are you sure it is TCP? I've been reading the documentaion on MotoTRBO and it says the "IP Peripheral" feature is UDP/IP.
could I control a drone based on raspberry pi? this sounds awesome for secure connections on open source drones
Got one of these small laptops. What can i do with it?
awesome info and fantastic outdo music!
Great vid Andy right up my street.
If IRC you can bridge the TRBO radio with a standard network on your PC and then you can pull packets from the WEB. Like you said it horrid for anything on a couple bytes but check that out. Mind you this was done with some 7550s and some 65XX radios via wire.
Yeah the issue with making the radio fully available to a modern computer and letting it use it as its primary network connection is that there is just too much data throughput, think of all the built in apps trying to access the network, it ends up overwhelming the network interface... now if you can just limit data sent and received on the radio interface then it could be useable.
@@andykirbyTools exist to severely restrict data usage of web pages, that could do the trick. I recently got the same type of packet data connection working with P25; it required very strict firewalls to avoid overwhelming the radio's network interface.
Very impressed, impressed indeed 🙏
Est-ce que ça fonctionne avec Videotron?
ahaaa the SL uhf moterola phone those are cool
If Andy does radiation filters next, Im joining him in the bunker.
What model radios are you using? Commercial bands?
Please 😢 do this with a proper laptop for us to learn properly 😊😊😊🎉🎉🎉
Nice feature and easy to install!
It will be nice to see also a speed for sending a 20KBytes file, and you can compare with speeds obtained using VARA FM.
Encryption transfer is allow in ham radio bands in UK?
Yeah I think it's gonna be slow. Encryption is allowed on business freqs which is what this is operating on here.
@@andykirby Slow can have different dimensions/sizes. Sending a file using AFSK 1200 bauds is slow, going to 25210bps is another thing. That's why I am interested to see the speed using Moto solution.
cool stuff
Hello, can you pleas tell me name of the small PC? Thank you
just saw this on tiktok! so cool!
Awesome, thanks!
What is the name of the mini win 10 laptop?
what PC is that?
What's the wee laptop type device your using bro?
GPD mini 👌🏼
I remember seeing a video of yours where you show CPS settings for Hytera, and I think I saw radio to PC IP and forward to PC checkbox. Can hytera do this as well? And if so, is it interoperable with Motorola?
It's a good question. I'm not sure if the two are compatible but it's highly likely. DMR is a standard and both Motorola and Hytera use network interfaces.
@@andykirby Is there a chance you might test that out? I'm considering my first DMR radio, and second hand hytera are more plentiful and cheaper here than Motorola...
Hey Andy.. Just a note to let you know YT unsubscribed me from your channel. Was wondering where you went lol. I didn't know that about Motorola Radios. Thanks ;)
That's weird! Welcome back!
@@andykirby Glad to be back home mate :)
Would be interesting to try it with Linux to linux bet it would be faster cutting out alot of the Windows bottlenecks 😃
It isn't a lot faster, the reason it's slow is because the radio modem is currently configured to ACKnowledge packets so if a packet is not received by the other station then the radio resends it. I will try turning it off but of course then you lose some resilience.
@@andykirby There has got to be a FEC mode, or forward error correcting mode where instead of waiting for ack the packets include a hash of the contained data and self check on reception only requesting retrans as needed.
You can use GOPHER rather than a web browser.
Fun toys
Hey, can anyone recommend a cheap CB handheld radio to get me started budget around £50
The closest would be the TTI-TCB-H100 at £115. Failing that have a look on ebay.
I'll send you an invoice for the advice I gave you 🤣🤣
😁 as it turns out you don't need to do that routing... 🤷♂️
1.5 seconds of delay per ping. yea. not gaming on that. lol still pretty cool!
Is this a free internet connection?
as I see it this is still limited by line of sight. Now....the methods of getting further ie ham repeaters or Motorola proprietary sytems are gatekeeped by financial or regulatory laws.
No, to access the Internet, one of the radios would need connection to an Internet gateway with a subscription. Some places provide dial up for free though so… maybe? But not by itself, no.
@@roberttalada5196 thankyou Robert
Ping CQ Dx!