Hi Lorne......different engine I know.....but not much info on bikes with my motor online.....its a 2020 Triumph watercooled T100 900c twin. The tensioner looks the same idea as yours..... My bile has an odd noise on cold starts.....different from your description....only does it cold....and you don't hear it until about 20 to 30 seconds after a cold start.....then gradually you hear a metallic tapping noise....not heavy..... As the motor warms up....about 2 mins it gradually goes. Its quite common on my type of motor....effects the T120 as well....any ideas.....I am suspecting the tensioner. What was the problem with your tensioner.....did you strip it down to see? It seems it start to effect you if its going to right after the first 500ml oil change. Triumph just say ignore it.....but my mechanical mind is not happy with that. First heard at 500mls.....now covered over 8000mls....not got any worse. Love to hear your views. P.S. video should be on youtube after 1pm on the 15/10/24. th-cam.com/video/P6BmU5asoKQ/w-d-xo.html Nick in the UK.
Hi Nick. It is possible, especially if your bike has done a fair mileage (i.e. more than 50000Mi but unlikely at 8000Mi). However, a tapping noise sounds more like a tappet/valve sound. The timing chain noise mine made was more of a continuous light grinding noise for 10 seconds after startup...before the oil pressure built up sufficiently....it was like a chain lightly grazing the cylinder head, not tapping as such. Valve clearances do reduce as the engine warms up, and metal parts expand, so initially they would be noisier, especially if the shims need changing. Most loose valve clearance s sound to me like a metalic 'tinging' sound. I never took my timing chain tensioner apart, but suspect the spring had weakened over time and that the internal passageways might have been slightly clogged up. If possible upload a video of your engine making the noise and send me the link. Best.
@@lornescott-wilson6144 Hi and thanks for getting back to me......I have checked the valve clearance....all exhaust were at max gap....inlets where fine....I re-shimmed to the book figure.....made zero difference....that surprised me. Lots of owners have this problem.....I call it a problem of course it maynot be....but with all of us owners who keep in touch....the common thing....with all of us the noise first showed its head at the first oil change.....most get that done around 500mls.....that very puzzling. A race bike mechanic near me had a listen with his stethoscope....said I dont know but is near the top end. Its usually gone within 2 mins and not heard again till next cold start. It stands out quite strongly....if I knew what it was and I knew it was harmless it would not bother me. I got the bike new.....Triumph UK have been no help at all.....telling me.....just ignore it Sir....thats the factory. I will see what I can do re posting a video.
Hi Lorne another question.....on reading the factory workshop manual......it shows a further adjustment to the installed cam chain tensioner.....the torque limiting adjustment. Its not covered in the haynes manual and the factory manual says it very important....set to 0.6nm...yes very low with a special torque wrench. Have you had any dealing with this adjustment after fitting the cam chain tensioner....access to the adjuster is via the hole in the front of the cam chain adjuster.
Hi Nick. No didn't have the tool(s), so skipped that part. Some of the Triumph special tools were prohibitively expensive, so worked around them as best as I could. E.g. Made my own Camshaft locking plate.
@@lornescott-wilson6144 Ok thanks Lorne. No mention of an external adjust tensioner anywhere that I have seen....think Triumph have got confused with the manual.
@@nickaxe771I have seen torque-wrench screwdrivers from tool shops that can do 0.6Nm, but haven't seen a Triumph tool like that either. Think there is a video of someone doing that adjustment on a Triumph Tiger....just cant remember which video
Haven't found a solution to the clunky gear changes, other than using a higher weight engine oil perhaps. I use 10W-40 oil rather than 5W-40 oil. That probably quietens the gearbox more than a thin oil. You could try 15W-40 oil as well, unless you live in a very cold country. Best practice is probably not to rev the engine too highly in 1st and 2nd gear before changing gear. I dont rev more than about 3-4000rpm in the first two gears.
Hi Gregory. No. Installed a new hydraulic tensioner (stock standard part). The new part works absolutely fine. The old part was 12 years old and had done 90000km. Im happy if the new part is good for another 90000km
the 900s have the same noise . dealers say totally normal but not all the bikes have the same problem .🤔strange. great video👍
Hi Lorne......different engine I know.....but not much info on bikes with my motor online.....its a 2020 Triumph watercooled T100 900c twin.
The tensioner looks the same idea as yours.....
My bile has an odd noise on cold starts.....different from your description....only does it cold....and you don't hear it until about 20 to 30 seconds after a cold start.....then gradually you hear a metallic tapping noise....not heavy.....
As the motor warms up....about 2 mins it gradually goes.
Its quite common on my type of motor....effects the T120 as well....any ideas.....I am suspecting the tensioner.
What was the problem with your tensioner.....did you strip it down to see?
It seems it start to effect you if its going to right after the first 500ml oil change.
Triumph just say ignore it.....but my mechanical mind is not happy with that.
First heard at 500mls.....now covered over 8000mls....not got any worse.
Love to hear your views.
P.S. video should be on youtube after 1pm on the 15/10/24.
th-cam.com/video/P6BmU5asoKQ/w-d-xo.html
Nick in the UK.
Hi Nick. It is possible, especially if your bike has done a fair mileage (i.e. more than 50000Mi but unlikely at 8000Mi). However, a tapping noise sounds more like a tappet/valve sound. The timing chain noise mine made was more of a continuous light grinding noise for 10 seconds after startup...before the oil pressure built up sufficiently....it was like a chain lightly grazing the cylinder head, not tapping as such. Valve clearances do reduce as the engine warms up, and metal parts expand, so initially they would be noisier, especially if the shims need changing. Most loose valve clearance s sound to me like a metalic 'tinging' sound.
I never took my timing chain tensioner apart, but suspect the spring had weakened over time and that the internal passageways might have been slightly clogged up. If possible upload a video of your engine making the noise and send me the link. Best.
@@lornescott-wilson6144 Hi and thanks for getting back to me......I have checked the valve clearance....all exhaust were at max gap....inlets where fine....I re-shimmed to the book figure.....made zero difference....that surprised me.
Lots of owners have this problem.....I call it a problem of course it maynot be....but with all of us owners who keep in touch....the common thing....with all of us the noise first showed its head at the first oil change.....most get that done around 500mls.....that very puzzling.
A race bike mechanic near me had a listen with his stethoscope....said I dont know but is near the top end.
Its usually gone within 2 mins and not heard again till next cold start.
It stands out quite strongly....if I knew what it was and I knew it was harmless it would not bother me.
I got the bike new.....Triumph UK have been no help at all.....telling me.....just ignore it Sir....thats the factory.
I will see what I can do re posting a video.
Hi Lorne another question.....on reading the factory workshop manual......it shows a further adjustment to the installed cam chain tensioner.....the torque limiting adjustment.
Its not covered in the haynes manual and the factory manual says it very important....set to 0.6nm...yes very low with a special torque wrench.
Have you had any dealing with this adjustment after fitting the cam chain tensioner....access to the adjuster is via the hole in the front of the cam chain adjuster.
Hi Nick. No didn't have the tool(s), so skipped that part. Some of the Triumph special tools were prohibitively expensive, so worked around them as best as I could. E.g. Made my own Camshaft locking plate.
@@lornescott-wilson6144 Ok thanks Lorne.
No mention of an external adjust tensioner anywhere that I have seen....think Triumph have got confused with the manual.
@@nickaxe771I have seen torque-wrench screwdrivers from tool shops that can do 0.6Nm, but haven't seen a Triumph tool like that either. Think there is a video of someone doing that adjustment on a Triumph Tiger....just cant remember which video
So my explorer has 39,000 miles and the chain rattles at start up when engine is hot.So they may just to be changed?
@@davidwilley4524 Yes, i think so. May as well do the chain tensioner and chain together....made a big difference to mine.
Sounds a great bit of advice ? Mine clunks when changing gear ? Any solution to this issue please ?
Haven't found a solution to the clunky gear changes, other than using a higher weight engine oil perhaps. I use 10W-40 oil rather than 5W-40 oil. That probably quietens the gearbox more than a thin oil. You could try 15W-40 oil as well, unless you live in a very cold country. Best practice is probably not to rev the engine too highly in 1st and 2nd gear before changing gear. I dont rev more than about 3-4000rpm in the first two gears.
Are you talking about installing a manual tensioner in place of the hydraulic tensioner?
Hi Gregory. No. Installed a new hydraulic tensioner (stock standard part). The new part works absolutely fine. The old part was 12 years old and had done 90000km. Im happy if the new part is good for another 90000km