Someone was asked once "How fast can an F1 car go in a straight line?" The reply was "Nobody knows. They've never been set up to go in a straight line."
Most important - oval spec Indycar has about HALF of downforce less than F1 car, which also means that it makes much less drag. Combined with gearbox setup it allows Indycar to go almost 400kph despite having only half of the power (Oval spec Indycar has about 550 bhp vs 1050 bhp of F1).
And still neither hit the unofficial record set by Derek Bell's Porsche 917 of 249 mph. Don't believe me? Watch the interview with him where he asked the team how fast he went.
@@_purplesector that car was full complaining to FIA rules meaning was legal for the championship. If I remember right, it peaked 407kmh on the 1st run.
The 397.360km/h (246.908mph) stands as the official F1 top speed record, just shy of Honda’s 400km/h goal with the project. Though during testing, van der Merwe measured at 413.205km/h (256.753mph) on one run. Unfortunately, it couldn’t replicate it on the return run, missing out on an even faster record.
It’s amazing how much faster Indy cars are in a straight line. Overall, F1 cars are superior in handling and cornering but just don’t quite have the top speed. Much quicker too, 0-60mph in about 2 seconds. But a slight change in gearing could change that if needed. They could theoretically go 300 mph but you’d have to give up a lot of cornering speed and downforce.
Some people seem to see the top speed as some sort of fault of F1. They don't use oval tracks, put far more emphasis on downforce (drag) and are geared differently, they don't need that top speed. An F1 could smoke an IndyCar with its power if set up correctly.
@@derbigpr500 well if indy really wanted to develop a car that was faster than f1 on circuits they would , but they dont because they prioritize the racing
@@derbigpr500an f1 car gets smoked on ovals by an IndyCar, but smokes IndyCars on circuits. IndyCar has made their car to sustain both ovals and circuits so it makes sense how its slower on circuits since its multi-purpose.
On Saturday, 28 October 2000, during CART/Indycar qualifying at California Speedway in Fontana, Gil de Ferran set both the track record and closed course record for fastest lap at 241.428 mph (388.541 km/h). It was a Renyard chassis, Honda qualifying engine (V8 single turbo) pushing out 925+ hp and redlined at 16,000 rpm, if i remember correctly. You take this car vs F1, since they are closer to Apple to Apple comparison, as far as horsepower. This car would destroy anything F1 can put up against it. It averaged near 390 km/h, including turning left!! The BAR F1 salt flats was going in a straight line was only about 15kph faster, with less drag than the CART/Indycar oval package. Reports were that Gil DeFerran was around 260 mph / 418 km/h on the straights before lifting for the turns. Not bad for a team budget that was about 400 millions less than Ferrari or Mclaren/Mercedes at the time. F1 is faster on a road course all day but CART/Indycars were designed for this type of racing with their low downforce oval package. F1 showed this back when both raced at Montréal road course when both series had about 850 hp, F1 was 6+ seconds faster but F1 spent 400 millions MORE for the 6 seconds. I am sure if you allowed CART/Indycar such a budget back in 1997 to 2002, might have been closer but since the CART/Indycar was 700kg without the driver and F1 was 600kg with the driver, likely F1 would still be a bit faster. We will never know but I guess that is the fun of such SIMS.
Thank you for your insight! It is crazy how much money is put in for incremental gains with F1(probably all the regulations holding them back). Both categories have their own strengths!
You’re not making relevant car comparisons here. Your comparing a CART car of nearly 20 years ago to F1 cars of similar vintage, a comparison that is essentially meaningless today, just as this video is a simulation and not the real world. An accurate measure is to look at COTA for the current cars, the last time both visited the circuit was 2019, where in qualifying trim the F1 car was 13.8 seconds per lap faster for pole time vs pole time, the 2022 F1 car being 12 seconds faster to the Indy pole time of 2019, this comparison brings relevance in that while the F1 car has had a full regulatory overhaul, the Indycar is essentially identical today to the car raced in 2019. Further showing this simulation’s inaccuracy is the F1 car is geared in the sim to redline at 12,300rpm when it has another 2,700rpm available to the mandated redline, or 34.12rpm/kph, giving the F1 car a theoretical top speed of 439kph assuming it didn’t hybrid clip at the redline.
Here's a thought, MotoGP on Mulsanne straight!!! Especially the Ducati, they have crazy straight line speed. Ducati's V4 against Ferrari's V10? Cool matchup imo.
Amazing how much faster the F1 car reached its top speed than the Indy car was to get to the same speed. Seems the Indy car is geared toward greater speed, while the F1 car is geared for greater acceleration.
Two entirely different forms of racing…one is no better than the other. Indy cars are not designed to run street courses and F1 is not designed to run ovals. Simple as that. But most F1 drivers are scared to run flat out at 200+ mph for 500 miles. Again not saying one superior to the other…just stating facts. Get over yourselves and just enjoy the racing.
Crazy how fast budget race cars can go. To even be COMPARED to F1 is a feat of it's own. The entire 33 car Indy 500 grid has a lower budget than Mercedes F1 team yearly budget before 2022.
The aero is the difference. F1 has way more downforce that limits top end speed but makes cornering like its on rails. Indy Car has less aero and therefore less downforce therefore higher top end speeds. The gearing is also different. These cars run on different tracks and are built to spec for their class and the tracks they race on. Its silly to compare them. F1 run on tighter tracks with more corners. So acceleration and cornering are the prize. Hence loads of down force and lower geared boxes that give max acceleration. Indy cars run on oval tracks and some normal circuits. The emphasis here is for top end speed hence it accelerates slower but hits higher speeds but on an oval track will beat an F1 due to how its setup. Its horses for courses.
I literally lol’ed when I read the Indycar was in oval spec when the video began. My first and only thought was, will the Indycar hit 400kph? I was very close.
Would love to know the lap time difference. Even though it lacks the top speed, still think the F1 car would be quicker over a while lap especially given how early the Indy car had to brake to take the corner.
I actually tried an lap, but there was no way I’m going to make the lap without going off-road. There’s just no grip for the corners. I’d have to brake somewhere like 300+ meters before to get the car stopped and turn 😅😅 Still I might give another shot, expecting to be super slow.
@@RedroomStudiosIt is but indy takes longer to get up to speed, the F1 car will have pulled a gap. Indy would slowly creep up and maybe pass F1 but then he hits the brakes way earlier and F1 would maybe catch up. Just my guess that there wouldn’t be much in it at the end of the strait, but the F1 car would then smoke him on the rest of the lap so he would have several seconds head start for the strait on the next lap.
These are interesting, but what they really need to do is remove the chicanes IRL for the 24 hour. The group c cars approaching 250mph were a real peak of motorsports.
I’m honestly surprised there aren’t more collisions in the endurance races because of the massive speed differences in different classes of cars. Some literally can go 50 mph faster. I know the slower classes are quite aware when the faster cars are approaching but it is quite a feat to get out of the way every single time.
@@POWER-LINKS I watched a whole lap of Nurburgring without realising it was a video game! So this pales into insignificance, thx for the heads up. It's probably a bit late in life for me to start gaming, lol.
Les secondes au tour ne se gagnent pas dans les lignes droites mais aux freinages, aux relances et dans les courbes. Déjà on constate dans cette vidéo que la différence des distances de freinage est énorme à l'avantage de la F1.
If this speed is achieved in reality in this kind of track, We going to see the the red bull air race 🏎 because the track oscillation will make this cars fly more than a mark's webber 911 gt1 Porsche. In addition, the porpoising make the cars undriveble
Over here in Australia when F1 and Indy cars were out here together. Formula One Boss put out the challenge, any F1 on any track that the Indy Cars chose against any Indy car,. with the F1 boss picking up all the expenses . His challenge was declined
Indycar’s oval configuration has much less downforce because it doesn’t need it as much as on a track/street circuit. F1 cars go faster in corners because of their high downforce. It’s science.
F1 and indy cars dont have enough power to keep accelerating past a certain point weight is errelevant to speed a lighter car will accelerate quicker, but these cars engines dnt create the average power to keep accelerating, a prostock engine that was detuned to have valve train stability (a loss of 250hp) which still made over 1150hp (pre efi prostock engines made over 1500hp with 500ci) went over 380mph at booneville but unlike the 300-400tq f1 or indy cars make that engine produced over 800tq, the car also with a lil dose of nitrous also went over 420mph the car was called the spirit of rett, a larger engine will make more power than a smaller engine but it will also make alot of average power its just physics
@jonnyl135jl I actually saw the Mercedes C 9 driven by Jean Louis Schlesser hit 405 kph on the Mulsanne in 1989, a dammed sportscar, and they of course spend 3/4 of the race at high speed, 1970/71 Porsche 917s did 250 mph easy and also at the old Spa track
Even now, the fastest street cars can go faster than F1 in a straight line. But throw in any corners and the F1 destroys them. Superior braking makes up for the lack of top speed every time.
What's the difference in motors ??? Both 12 cylinder, how many cubic cm (solid contents)? And with this in mind, how many HP? I'm sure when you let them race a couple of rounds on a normal circuit the indycar stays behind.
Americans only really care about straight line speed. It'd be interesting to have a special race in Le man with F1, Indycars and formula 2 cars. I had to include F2 so Indycars would have people to race with.
I am surprised that the F1 car wasn't faster. Being much lighter in weight for a start. The F1 car should have been overall 7 to 20 mph faster than other THING. ( indi) All i can say is they didn't have the gearbox set up right or not enough gears or both. Indi cars are usually much heavier this would cause them to be much slower although they would need a lot more power to get that 200 mph rating as a F1 car does with less power because of weight. Proberbly around 50 +kg difference.
Indy cars have less downforce. That’s why they’re faster in a straight line. F1 cars are geared to accelerate faster too. They’ve never been designed to run at full speed for a whole lap.
It was obvious the IndyCar had this one licked before it even started the straight: the F1 car hit 12000 rpm almost from the getgo, whereas the indycar's engine... Well, there's no need for a postmortem, really, is there? But side by side around any one of the real world tracks, out there, and it'd be a different story, altogether.
Haven't bothered watching this vid but the CART-era Indycars used to hit about 240 at places like Indy and Michigan, whereas F1 did something like 220 in places like Monza......so I'm guessing Indycars win this one.
This test is a fake. In a real test the Indycar’s tires would have exploded from overheating sending it into a barrel roll and disintegrating into pieces
With no Chicane the Indycar .... with a chicane the F1 car ....... it wouldn't matter , because the F1 car would eat the Indycar alive everywhere else on the track .....
Even a supercar is faster than a F1 car in a straight line. The real strengh of a F1 car is acceleration (speeding up/braking and curves) and not top speed. There is nothing faster than a F1 car in a track with curves.
F1 over 1000hp + hybrid, best aerodinamics, best braking, vs. Indy just 710hp, cheaper design, 6 speed transmission,. Obviously in straight Indy wins but F1 in curves wins, accelaration would pass the Indy. And people say change the spec of F1 and would win in straight racing but put those 1000hp to and Indy and see what happens? Remember with only 710hp can hit 243mph!! Imagine Indy ar with 1000hp!!! Holy
I wouldn’t say it is a proper representation of the real deal, since there’s so much little set up variables that affects the car. ‘Just for fun’ would be more of a right description for this video. But it would kind of show how their package of the car differentiates from each other.
I wonder - when the straight was this way - if a distracted driver ever just forgot where the braking point was and just flew right off the track. Say in the middle of the night and they were tired? I am guessing, someone MUST have. ☮
The maximum engine revelation of a F1 race engine is being limited by FIA in compliances to the regulation set. Indy cars have much loose control unlike FIA. So the maximum speed demonstrated here shall not be the answer to the 2 different setup race cars. Further the F1 car has a greater down force setup.
F1 can be way faster with longer gearing and less downforce. Toyota did a test with an F1 car in like 2004 or something, and it did 400 km/h on SALT FLATS, not even on asphalt.
The IndyCar in oval spec is designed to run at AVERAGE speeds at Indy higher than F1 can achieve max speed! Quite incredible and why the Indy 500 is such an amazing race.
Amazing if you love slot cars roundy roundy but for a real car buff life is not around the corner but it is the corner, both left and right, if only speed is your passion with a fear factor try watching Bathurst 1000 this year from inside the car, and no I am not Australian
Tracks where an Insdycar would win over an F1: The biggest ovals in the US. Add the infield to Indianapolis or Daytona, and it would be totally obliterated.
BUT - The F1 hit the floor at 0:03 and reaches the end of the middle white line at 1:00, it takes 57 seconds.... The Indycar hit the floor at 1:09 and reaches the end of the middle white line at 2:05, it takes 56 seconds... Think about it... top speed for nothing
Which also means that even though the Indycar has much higher top speed, over a complete lap, it would still lose. Also notice how much later the F1 brakes at the end of the straight. There are videos "out there" showing a comparison by Hamilton's pole lap on COTA in 2018 and an Indycar, the Indycar got absolutely obliterated (18+ seconds difference)!
@@HepauDK the indycar shown in that video wasn't actually being driven that fast. according to the video creator a preseason testing lap set by felix rosenqvist was up to 5 seconds faster, which still doesn't change anything but either way
@@_purplesector no, I just mean please use a setup & gearing intended for use at Monza or Old Hockenheim for running on the Hunaudieres/Mulsanne straight. You were probably going to anyway.
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Someone was asked once "How fast can an F1 car go in a straight line?" The reply was "Nobody knows. They've never been set up to go in a straight line."
BAR 007: Am I a joke to you?
It went at something like 398 😮
@@mathieutoussaint6888 The INDY went 398 . F1 367 .
@@johncunningham4820Indy has never gone 398
@@MrBarniculusBaboonicalshire .
Did you WATCH the Video BEFORE opening your Mouth ?
Different gearbox setups do their job
Most important - oval spec Indycar has about HALF of downforce less than F1 car, which also means that it makes much less drag. Combined with gearbox setup it allows Indycar to go almost 400kph despite having only half of the power (Oval spec Indycar has about 550 bhp vs 1050 bhp of F1).
Or one is pushing on thousands of pounds of downforce
And still neither hit the unofficial record set by Derek Bell's Porsche 917 of 249 mph. Don't believe me? Watch the interview with him where he asked the team how fast he went.
@@emilkaciunka4838 with boost indy gets around 750 i think. could be wrong but def around 700
@@comiskeyballslarm2k271 on normal (street and road) circuits - yes. On ovals engines are detuned and have no push to pass.
Trivia: in early 2000, BAR-Honda reached 400kmh+ at Bonneville strip with a full legal F1 car with just an oval aero pack.
That’s crazy 🤯
@@_purplesector that car was full complaining to FIA rules meaning was legal for the championship.
If I remember right, it peaked 407kmh on the 1st run.
I want to see how fast they could get an indycar going in a straight line with some adjustments
The 397.360km/h (246.908mph) stands as the official F1 top speed record, just shy of Honda’s 400km/h goal with the project. Though during testing, van der Merwe measured at 413.205km/h (256.753mph) on one run. Unfortunately, it couldn’t replicate it on the return run, missing out on an even faster record.
@@oliviero46it didn't have front or rear wings just a large shark fin engine cover, so not fia legal.
See how far the f1 went before braking versus Indy, impressive brakes on those cars
It’s amazing how much faster Indy cars are in a straight line. Overall, F1 cars are superior in handling and cornering but just don’t quite have the top speed. Much quicker too, 0-60mph in about 2 seconds. But a slight change in gearing could change that if needed. They could theoretically go 300 mph but you’d have to give up a lot of cornering speed and downforce.
Just imagine having the high speed of Indy and downforce of F1. Best of both world😎
@3purplesector You’d need more powerful engines or weight reduction to the f1 car to reach indy top speeds because of the difference in drag.
give the F1 car a little oval spec stick of a rear wing and see it reach 400 km/h
@@Tommmmmmmmmmmm i’ll have to see what i can do
Wait until you hear about 90s CART... modern Indycar but they didnt give a shit about safety. Cars going 250 mph..
Indycar top speed is pure insanity
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90s CART 😈😈
And at a whopping 2" off the pavement! :)
Yes, their top speed is insane, but results in a reduction of the corning speed.
Wait until you hear about 90s CART... modern Indycar but they didnt give a shit about safety. Cars going 250 mph..
Some people seem to see the top speed as some sort of fault of F1. They don't use oval tracks, put far more emphasis on downforce (drag) and are geared differently, they don't need that top speed. An F1 could smoke an IndyCar with its power if set up correctly.
Vice versa
The indy car havibg 40 secobd lead when he finds a corner (hes fucked)
@@thatonenigeriansformula Not really. F1 is just objectively superior in every way. It would beat Indy on ovals or tracks.
@@derbigpr500 well if indy really wanted to develop a car that was faster than f1 on circuits they would , but they dont because they prioritize the racing
@@derbigpr500an f1 car gets smoked on ovals by an IndyCar, but smokes IndyCars on circuits. IndyCar has made their car to sustain both ovals and circuits so it makes sense how its slower on circuits since its multi-purpose.
On Saturday, 28 October 2000, during CART/Indycar qualifying at California Speedway in Fontana, Gil de Ferran set both the track record and closed course record for fastest lap at 241.428 mph (388.541 km/h). It was a Renyard chassis, Honda qualifying engine (V8 single turbo) pushing out 925+ hp and redlined at 16,000 rpm, if i remember correctly.
You take this car vs F1, since they are closer to Apple to Apple comparison, as far as horsepower. This car would destroy anything F1 can put up against it. It averaged near 390 km/h, including turning left!! The BAR F1 salt flats was going in a straight line was only about 15kph faster, with less drag than the CART/Indycar oval package. Reports were that Gil DeFerran was around 260 mph / 418 km/h on the straights before lifting for the turns.
Not bad for a team budget that was about 400 millions less than Ferrari or Mclaren/Mercedes at the time.
F1 is faster on a road course all day but CART/Indycars were designed for this type of racing with their low downforce oval package.
F1 showed this back when both raced at Montréal road course when both series had about 850 hp, F1 was 6+ seconds faster but F1 spent 400 millions MORE for the 6 seconds. I am sure if you allowed CART/Indycar such a budget back in 1997 to 2002, might have been closer but since the CART/Indycar was 700kg without the driver and F1 was 600kg with the driver, likely F1 would still be a bit faster.
We will never know but I guess that is the fun of such SIMS.
Thank you for your insight! It is crazy how much money is put in for incremental gains with F1(probably all the regulations holding them back). Both categories have their own strengths!
You’re not making relevant car comparisons here.
Your comparing a CART car of nearly 20 years ago to F1 cars of similar vintage, a comparison that is essentially meaningless today, just as this video is a simulation and not the real world.
An accurate measure is to look at COTA for the current cars, the last time both visited the circuit was 2019, where in qualifying trim the F1 car was 13.8 seconds per lap faster for pole time vs pole time, the 2022 F1 car being 12 seconds faster to the Indy pole time of 2019, this comparison brings relevance in that while the F1 car has had a full regulatory overhaul, the Indycar is essentially identical today to the car raced in 2019.
Further showing this simulation’s inaccuracy is the F1 car is geared in the sim to redline at 12,300rpm when it has another 2,700rpm available to the mandated redline, or 34.12rpm/kph, giving the F1 car a theoretical top speed of 439kph assuming it didn’t hybrid clip at the redline.
you don't know much about F1 do you? Mid 80s, F1 cars were hitting 1700bhp in quali trim and 18k rpm...
@@punxproductions9893 man... plz be real and stop dreaming
@@davepastern 80’s turbo era was around 14,000 rpm max, the V10’s wouldn’t reach 18,000 rpm until the early 2000’s.
if F1 were to race in LM, the top gearing would be different, having more power than Indycar, the F1 car would reach a higher top speed on Mulsanne
I don’t agree the stroke on an Indy car is bigger that accounts for revs difference
But the larger brakes were evident on the F1 car. Bitchn
No, F1 even with its lowest drag setup (Monza) still has more drag than Indy Oval
Here's a thought, MotoGP on Mulsanne straight!!! Especially the Ducati, they have crazy straight line speed. Ducati's V4 against Ferrari's V10? Cool matchup imo.
I’m not sure if there’s a motogp available for this game. i’ll see if there is one, but it’s unlikely
Amazing how much faster the F1 car reached its top speed than the Indy car was to get to the same speed. Seems the Indy car is geared toward greater speed, while the F1 car is geared for greater acceleration.
Yup. F1 is about braking and accelerating. Did you see how much earlier the Indy car had to lift off and brake at the end of the straight?
.. and exactly why the Indycar is built more for ovals than street/road.
simplest explanation on here... everyone needs to read this comment.
Two entirely different forms of racing…one is no better than the other. Indy cars are not designed to run street courses and F1 is not designed to run ovals. Simple as that. But most F1 drivers are scared to run flat out at 200+ mph for 500 miles. Again not saying one superior to the other…just stating facts. Get over yourselves and just enjoy the racing.
I wonder how different the results.would have been if they hadn't straight lined the two chicanes?
Almost the 400kph. That’s impressive. But the f1 cornering ability is probably more impressive.
All we know is both f1 and indy drivers got the balls to do it 👍
It’s all down to gearing, the F1 car was running at higher revs but sat at 358kmh and didn’t lift until just before the corner.
Bottas set the 372km/h record in 2016. I think with the current F1s you can do better at Le Mans.
Yes it could do better, but Bottas had a tow when he did that.
@@_purplesector True, but he didn't have the Le Mans Straight...
Right. I’ll see if I can do better
try the Ferrari F1-86 which did more than 340km/h on the Mistral... 🤭
@@orsofranz thats way slower than Bottas’s record 😐
Crazy how fast budget race cars can go. To even be COMPARED to F1 is a feat of it's own. The entire 33 car Indy 500 grid has a lower budget than Mercedes F1 team yearly budget before 2022.
Mercedes got them 💵cash💵
The aero is the difference. F1 has way more downforce that limits top end speed but makes cornering like its on rails. Indy Car has less aero and therefore less downforce therefore higher top end speeds. The gearing is also different. These cars run on different tracks and are built to spec for their class and the tracks they race on. Its silly to compare them. F1 run on tighter tracks with more corners. So acceleration and cornering are the prize. Hence loads of down force and lower geared boxes that give max acceleration. Indy cars run on oval tracks and some normal circuits. The emphasis here is for top end speed hence it accelerates slower but hits higher speeds but on an oval track will beat an F1 due to how its setup. Its horses for courses.
I literally lol’ed when I read the Indycar was in oval spec when the video began. My first and only thought was, will the Indycar hit 400kph? I was very close.
Yes very close!
If it had a tow it would’ve hit 400 kph with ease, but this is a test on overall speed
Would love to know the lap time difference. Even though it lacks the top speed, still think the F1 car would be quicker over a while lap especially given how early the Indy car had to brake to take the corner.
I actually tried an lap, but there was no way I’m going to make the lap without going off-road. There’s just no grip for the corners. I’d have to brake somewhere like 300+ meters before to get the car stopped and turn 😅😅 Still I might give another shot, expecting to be super slow.
hard to say when so much of the lap is the high speed straight.
@@RedroomStudiosIt is but indy takes longer to get up to speed, the F1 car will have pulled a gap. Indy would slowly creep up and maybe pass F1 but then he hits the brakes way earlier and F1 would maybe catch up. Just my guess that there wouldn’t be much in it at the end of the strait, but the F1 car would then smoke him on the rest of the lap so he would have several seconds head start for the strait on the next lap.
Still those 100kph less in the first turn would have been practically impossible to catch after that f1s are beasts of designs
These are interesting, but what they really need to do is remove the chicanes IRL for the 24 hour. The group c cars approaching 250mph were a real peak of motorsports.
Good old times 👍
I’m honestly surprised there aren’t more collisions in the endurance races because of the massive speed differences in different classes of cars. Some literally can go 50 mph faster. I know the slower classes are quite aware when the faster cars are approaching but it is quite a feat to get out of the way every single time.
I'd love to see the same thing at the Porsche turns and see which one is faster...
Go to the Indy 500 and walk down to fence on the front straight and you will never mistake that kind of speed and F1 straight line speed again.
Wow, both so stable at top speed.
It's a video game, lol.
@@POWER-LINKS I watched a whole lap of Nurburgring without realising it was a video game! So this pales into insignificance, thx for the heads up. It's probably a bit late in life for me to start gaming, lol.
@@astrostrotch Never too late! (I've fooled a lot of people with this, lol.)
And a Porsche 917 driven by Helmut Marko? And Roger Dorchy (RIP) in his WM Peugeot in 1988?
An Indy car went 243 this year at the Indy 500. I would think would go faster than the sim showed (247mph) .
I would assume the same also!
Les secondes au tour ne se gagnent pas dans les lignes droites mais aux freinages, aux relances et dans les courbes. Déjà on constate dans cette vidéo que la différence des distances de freinage est énorme à l'avantage de la F1.
Oui! L'avantage du freinage est énorme!
So cool. Crazy to think though how much faster the Buggati Chiron Super Sport is.
W16 pulling that monster 😎
If this speed is achieved in reality in this kind of track, We going to see the the red bull air race 🏎 because the track oscillation will make this cars fly more than a mark's webber 911 gt1 Porsche. In addition, the porpoising make the cars undriveble
Over here in Australia when F1 and Indy cars were out here together. Formula One Boss put out the challenge, any F1 on any track that the Indy Cars chose against any Indy car,. with the F1 boss picking up all the expenses . His challenge was declined
Sad to hear that 🥲 it would have been a super match
It's been done some 20 years ago, when both F1 and Indy raced on the G Villeneuve circuit in Canada. F1 was 9 sec per lap faster
Derek Bell and his Porshe 965 chuckles at your foolishness.
Did you mean the 956? Derek Bell is a legend, indeed.
@@_purplesector he should have said 962, or Porsche917 and Mercedes C9/11
The car specs are different. If F1 car adjust the wings for the minimunn air resistance, the final velocity maybe be the same Indy Car.
Indycar’s oval configuration has much less downforce because it doesn’t need it as much as on a track/street circuit. F1 cars go faster in corners because of their high downforce. It’s science.
F1 and indy cars dont have enough power to keep accelerating past a certain point weight is errelevant to speed a lighter car will accelerate quicker, but these cars engines dnt create the average power to keep accelerating, a prostock engine that was detuned to have valve train stability (a loss of 250hp) which still made over 1150hp (pre efi prostock engines made over 1500hp with 500ci) went over 380mph at booneville but unlike the 300-400tq f1 or indy cars make that engine produced over 800tq, the car also with a lil dose of nitrous also went over 420mph the car was called the spirit of rett, a larger engine will make more power than a smaller engine but it will also make alot of average power its just physics
One huge difference
Slightest bit of rain and the indycar runs for the nearest garage
😂😂
It's bloody cartoon racing, I was expecting road runner to pass them both.
Stick them against a Group C XJR9 or a C9 or 962 and they would both get left eating dust down the Mulsanne
@jonnyl135jl I actually saw the Mercedes C 9 driven by Jean Louis Schlesser hit 405 kph on the Mulsanne in 1989, a dammed sportscar, and they of course spend 3/4 of the race at high speed, 1970/71 Porsche 917s did 250 mph easy and also at the old Spa track
@@Quadrant14 i was there in 87 and 88
Even now, the fastest street cars can go faster than F1 in a straight line. But throw in any corners and the F1 destroys them. Superior braking makes up for the lack of top speed every time.
The only track in which the 2 car both race is COTA and on that track an F1 car is over 14 sec faster on 2.3 mile track.
Do that with a 1998 Indycar. 420kph easy
The Indycar sounds so much better than the F1 nowadays.
What's the difference in motors ??? Both 12 cylinder, how many cubic cm (solid contents)? And with this in mind, how many HP?
I'm sure when you let them race a couple of rounds on a normal circuit the indycar stays behind.
I'd like to see same for old school Indy and f1 from the 90's or early 2000's
Indy straight line speed is sick!
Americans only really care about straight line speed. It'd be interesting to have a special race in Le man with F1, Indycars and formula 2 cars. I had to include F2 so Indycars would have people to race with.
f1 cars are geared and mapped for hard acceleration because they have to go around proper corners and things
I am surprised that the F1 car wasn't faster. Being much lighter in weight for a start. The F1 car should have been overall 7 to 20 mph faster than other THING. ( indi) All i can say is they didn't have the gearbox set up right or not enough gears or both. Indi cars are usually much heavier this would cause them to be much slower although they would need a lot more power to get that 200 mph rating as a F1 car does with less power because of weight. Proberbly around 50 +kg difference.
Indycars go 230mph at Indianapolis speedway.
Weight doesnt affect top speed, its aero and power and gearing. Weight does matter when braking and accelerating.
Indy cars have less downforce. That’s why they’re faster in a straight line. F1 cars are geared to accelerate faster too. They’ve never been designed to run at full speed for a whole lap.
Thanks. I was always curious about this
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It was obvious the IndyCar had this one licked before it even started the straight: the F1 car hit 12000 rpm almost from the getgo, whereas the indycar's engine... Well, there's no need for a postmortem, really, is there? But side by side around any one of the real world tracks, out there, and it'd be a different story, altogether.
Now once you say well in this 1 prototype in F1...you then immediately afford Indy to unrestrict and let loose as well.
Only dorks pit a spec series car and a prototype series car against one another simply because neither has fenders.
F1 car struggling to hit 360 kph.
Indycar not even breaking a sweat damn near hitting 400 kph.
Ligne droite des Hunaudières not Mulsanne
(17)
Circuit automobile à Mulsanne
Woah,... So they're BOTH slower then the 917's were??
Thanks a bunch!
It's like to compare apples with melons. Indycars are done to work at best on the very long strainght, F1 are the best on the curves.
Indycars run Ilmor engines which are made in UK, and so are all F1 car engines. Ferrari too, for at least parts of their engine.
F1 cars are designed to go round corners fast
Indy car is a much better car than F1 car doesn’t matter if it’s the revs or the gearbox but F1 cars get more exposure
Si bajas la carga aerodinámica del f1 lo más posible podría sacar más velocidad
Haven't bothered watching this vid but the CART-era Indycars used to hit about 240 at places like Indy and Michigan, whereas F1 did something like 220 in places like Monza......so I'm guessing Indycars win this one.
This test is a fake. In a real test the Indycar’s tires would have exploded from overheating sending it into a barrel roll and disintegrating into pieces
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F1 Car is made for circuits such as Spa, Silverstone, Monza etc! around these circuits it would destroy a Indy Car.
With no Chicane the Indycar .... with a chicane the F1 car ....... it wouldn't matter , because the F1 car would eat the Indycar alive everywhere else on the track .....
Indycars are heavier and have less down force, that's why they are faster than F1 in straight lines.
Give F1 cars the same wing level as an oval spec Indy car and then retry your results.
This was the best I could do. I can’t just change a part of the car without the maker of this mod changing the modeling and physics.
If the Indy car was set to an oval spec, surely the wheel wouldn’t be straight due to the camber?
Fair. But this oval-spec was just for the aerodynamic-wise. Not the suspension and camber setting.
@@_purplesector makes sense; keep up the quality content👊🏻
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Why they did not take there Bugatti in standard set up? 😂
Very nice , so how many F1 world championships has been won by American cars ????
I much prefer the Indy car sound.
The F1 car sounds like a turbocharged hornet - to me.
The Indy car sounds smoother.
Thanks for this video.
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Thank you for watching!
Meanwhile Group C: 411Kph 😈
Speed Demon 😈😈😈
407kph then blew up, Mercedes C9 in Qualy trim 405kph in 1989, the reason they put chicanes in
Even a supercar is faster than a F1 car in a straight line.
The real strengh of a F1 car is acceleration (speeding up/braking and curves) and not top speed.
There is nothing faster than a F1 car in a track with curves.
F1 over 1000hp + hybrid, best aerodinamics, best braking, vs. Indy just 710hp, cheaper design, 6 speed transmission,. Obviously in straight Indy wins but F1 in curves wins, accelaration would pass the Indy. And people say change the spec of F1 and would win in straight racing but put those 1000hp to and Indy and see what happens? Remember with only 710hp can hit 243mph!! Imagine Indy ar with 1000hp!!! Holy
Indy with 1000hp = 🚀
@@_purplesector we are talking about more than 300+ HP, less at Indy car!!
@@johnnypuperze7790 oh yeah, no way an F1 engine survives that kind of torture.
Bitchn. I worked in Indy car in1995 an I’m proud of that run.
At Tetre Rouge IndyCar around 170 kph, F1 around 240!
IndyCars have almost no downforce in the oval spec.
The gears are very long.
That was in E-racing, does it translate to a proper race - both cars on a real track at the same time?
I wouldn’t say it is a proper representation of the real deal, since there’s so much little set up variables that affects the car. ‘Just for fun’ would be more of a right description for this video. But it would kind of show how their package of the car differentiates from each other.
Oval spec aero! Why not do a true comparison and run the indycar with its normal road course aero, makes way more sense.
yep will do one
Okay, everything expected. Bit on the lap F1 is faster. On the straight some Order LeMans-Cars wäre Ober 400!!!
What is exactly the point of this comparison?
There isn’t really a point. I just wanted to try it out.
Indy car just 20 mph slower than 53 years ago. Too funny.
I wonder - when the straight was this way - if a distracted driver ever just forgot where the braking point was and just flew right off the track.
Say in the middle of the night and they were tired?
I am guessing, someone MUST have.
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Ooh, that is total nightmare
Or just simply plowed into the back of another car.
Or just simply plowed into the back of another car.
The maximum engine revelation of a F1 race engine is being limited by FIA in compliances to the regulation set. Indy cars have much loose control unlike FIA. So the maximum speed demonstrated here shall not be the answer to the 2 different setup race cars. Further the F1 car has a greater down force setup.
It would be cool to see the real cars doing this and not a video game/computer simulation.
Who wouldn’t like to see that!
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F1 can be way faster with longer gearing and less downforce. Toyota did a test with an F1 car in like 2004 or something, and it did 400 km/h on SALT FLATS, not even on asphalt.
That was Honda, not Toyota.
1. It was Honda in July 2006 in Bonneville.
2. It was literally done without wings sort of.
That's an Indy oval setup tho. Road version is not hitting those speeds.
Right.
Yo creo que un poco más corren con rebufo los f1 369 y los indy 408
probablemente lo harían!😊
The IndyCar in oval spec is designed to run at AVERAGE speeds at Indy higher than F1 can achieve max speed! Quite incredible and why the Indy 500 is such an amazing race.
Amazing if you love slot cars roundy roundy but for a real car buff life is not around the corner but it is the corner, both left and right, if only speed is your passion with a fear factor try watching Bathurst 1000 this year from inside the car, and no I am not Australian
Wowsers Indy car 40kmph faster straight line even though slower where it counts and they have actual interesting races. Indy > F1 for now
The F1 car is going to run 300 laps like the Indy does????
I guess we’ll never know!
No contest on pure speed.
Tracks where an Insdycar would win over an F1: The biggest ovals in the US.
Add the infield to Indianapolis or Daytona, and it would be totally obliterated.
Not if f1 ran an areo package for that kind of circuit. F1 is a superior car and a superior driver
BUT - The F1 hit the floor at 0:03 and reaches the end of the middle white line at 1:00, it takes 57 seconds....
The Indycar hit the floor at 1:09 and reaches the end of the middle white line at 2:05, it takes 56 seconds...
Think about it... top speed for nothing
Which also means that even though the Indycar has much higher top speed, over a complete lap, it would still lose. Also notice how much later the F1 brakes at the end of the straight.
There are videos "out there" showing a comparison by Hamilton's pole lap on COTA in 2018 and an Indycar, the Indycar got absolutely obliterated (18+ seconds difference)!
@@HepauDK the indycar shown in that video wasn't actually being driven that fast. according to the video creator a preseason testing lap set by felix rosenqvist was up to 5 seconds faster, which still doesn't change anything but either way
My money was on the F1. That's why I don't gamble.
get the F1 cars to race at isle of man TT circuit.
I’ll try that but I’m not sure if there is a quality map right now.
1990's Indycar and 2004 Ferrari F1 car with slick tyres next please!
I just did 1999 CART, check it out! F2004 slicks will be on the to-do list!
@@_purplesector Monza or Old Hockenheim setup and gearing please (for the F1 car)
@@stuarttupp3541 you mean f2004 slicks at monza or hockenheim?
@@_purplesector no, I just mean please use a setup & gearing intended for use at Monza or Old Hockenheim for running on the Hunaudieres/Mulsanne straight. You were probably going to anyway.
@@stuarttupp3541 got it
should have shown the W11 or the SF90 post summer break
I just wanted to compare whatever’s latest!
@@_purplesector well that make sense.
this is an computergame. not the real world. fi has an 6 cylinder 1.6 engine. the other an v8. Boys this is an game.
i believe indy uses 2.2 twin turbo v6
Seems a lot of commenters think it's real.
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Possibly the most pointless test ever. Indy cars need top speed. F1 needs acceleration.