FLEETWOOD MAC: The Madness Of Peter Green (The Munich Story Explained)
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- Peter Green left the first incarnation of Fleetwood Mac following a visit to a German commune in Munich in 1970 that has been the subject of countless rumours, legends and myths. Join me to iron out exactly what happened, and why it led to Peter Green leaving the band.
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Many thanks, JH.
Spiking is one of the most heinous things anyone can do
It's a shame how people have made Owsley Stanley into this LSD demigod. LSD isn't for everyone, just like alcohol or weed, magic mushrooms or even chocolate ice cream. Not everyone should have everything. Acid is a powerful drug. It needs to be taken with the consent of the person about to have the trip.
I've been spiked a few times. In one town, where I used to play at multiple venues, one night where the crowd pressed right up to where I was set up to play, a guy in a wheelchair kept pestering me to let him sing during my breaks. Now I'm always wary of letting anybody up to sing at my gigs because I'm not a great singer by any stretch of the imagination . . and there's a better than even chance that the interloper would be better at it than I am. Add to that the sympathy quotient of a handicapped guy in a wheelchair, and I could easily lose my crowd for the evening, and even my future bookings in the case of an able-bodied singer usurping me. So, as politely as I knew how to be, I declined the guy's request to let him get up and use my gear during my breaks. That was the last night that I had my drink of water in a regular glass. It is my belief that someone, guess who the prime suspect was in my mind, dropped something in my drink. I remember feeling strange toward the end of my gig, and that night I pissed the bed! Now that reaction to whatever whoever had put in my water made it impossible for me to ever stay the night in that town again. Word would've spread to the other motel owners not to rent me a room for the night, and even though I paid the motel owner in cash, from my earnings the night before at the pub, the price he asked to replace the mattress, from the look in his eyes I knew he'd never forgive me. So from then on I had to drive the four hours to get there, set up and play the four hour gig, dismantle and load out again, and then drive the four hours to get back home. If I had another gig in that general area . . and Australia's a VERY big place . . I'd drive out of that town and sleep in my car at whatever truck stop I could find.
@@arthurblackhistoric toss pots they are. keep on keepin on
Those cults I hate those groups and they are everywhere in America. Had it been my friend or family member I may be still in prison to say. I walk in and you have spiked his drink. Yeah ! I would black right out. 😤
@@arthurblackhistoricwow! Yeah! I know it's tough I use to go with my buddy all over he's a prominent dj and when I didn't feel like going I would emphasize to watch yourself keep your drink where nobody can get to it if it gets away from you trash it. Get another.
What effect did the electro shock therapy he was subjected to have on his condition? It arguably made things exponentially worse. Has there ever been any accountability or reckoning for the doctors (and the health system) who had him institutionalized and essentially ran experiments on him based on junk science that today we would consider abusive?
Electroconvulsive therapy is still usef and it is actually very effective for psychosis and depression that is refractory to medications. Today it's administered in multiple treatments at reduced voltage compared to decades ago. This drastically reduces the risk to memory and risk of inducing seizures.
Sure, it can be abused by unscrupulous psychiatrists who take a maximalist approach too quickly but that doesn't mean it isn't useful or practical when used correctly and on the right subset of patients.
I worked as an RN in acute geriatric psychiatry for 31 years. ECT helped many people to resume normal lives. No harm witnessed.
I met Peter when we were both on Loose Ends on Radio 4. He was a sweet, gentle guy. BIll Drummond of the KLF was on the same show, we both got Peter's autograph. Thanks for another great video, always compelling.
I'm a recovering freelance pharmaceutical stuntman, and I've seen drugs destroy far more people than help them. If you're susceptible to it, then you're in trouble. I've seen people develop psychosis from speed, weed, and acid. It's pure luck that I'm not permanently altered, but when you're young, you think you're invincible, that nothing will happen, and it's only decades later when you look back and realise it. I enjoyed every stupid, hedonistic minute of it, but I escaped unscathed. I know people who are deeply messed up who didn't dive in with both feet like I did.
Doctors are the worst case for turning patients into zombies or making them suicidal. The other problem is people self medicating. The medical profession should be targeted before any war on drugs.
I smoked extra strong hydro weed 20 years ago and have suffered from clostiphobia ever since.
I love Peter Green and the music he gave us. A man of pure talent and those studio and live songs he did with them are hard to top.
Great research as always. Would love to see one on Syd Barrett
LSD was not Syd's issue, its the barbiturates and Xboxin that got him.
I think syd loved lsd ,like when Peter green said when u come down the happiness is over ,no colours ,ect Its like breathing under water ',well the music biz and having only Saturday off 2 gigs a night at times,did syd in and the rest
I don't think it's research. He is just repeating opinion from various books. Peter Green's son has been trying to find answers to all this. He has a YT channel and has interviewed the Germans.
I'm glad you're making videos like this. I am a music teacher, and try to convince my young students why taking drugs is not going to help anyone be a better musician.
Early Fleetwood Mac is some of the most important music of my lifetime, I was so blessed that my father showed me these things at a young age ❤
English Rose is a good one
@@duelenigma7732 such a good album album 🔥🔥
We saw them at Pirate's World in Dania Florida about 1969, along with Long John Baldry, and Savoy Brown. GREAT Memorable CONCERT.
I taught myself to play drums in 1963. I still play.
@@timmotel5804 I got the chance to see him a lot later in life, it was a very bittersweet evening. He wasn’t really present in any way shape or form, his back up band where kind of doing everything. I really wish I had the opportunity to see him in his prime
Spot on. It's heinous that the Grateful Dead crew would spike drinks with LSD. They saw it as comedy. There's a story in Phil Lesh's book about them spiking bottles of Heineken for the security when they played in Germany. He thought it was funny that he saw a police officer with a pool of piss at his feet and scared out of his mind. There's major karmic retribution for these actions.
They had psychopaths in their "family"
@@davidcollin1436 I know that extremely well. My good friend Greg and a girl he was hanging out with were murdered in Ventura California at a Rainbow Family encampment at a park.
Timothy Leary is ultimately to blame.
@@rumpraisinhe was a government asset following others imo
They were different times if you were not there you could never understand..
My favourite era from Fleetwood Mac's career. I adore Peter Green and Danny Kirwan together and Jeremy Spencer is very talented, yet so underrated. Then Play On is one of my top favourite albums of all time. I'd also call it my favourite guitar album as it did make a very special impact on me when I was learning lead guitar. It was such a tragic shame through Peter's and Danny's mental health after the incident and their time with FM. Danny's being different to Peter's but it was still awful. Their signature, inspirational sounds of playing guitar still is mesmerising and always will be.
A few similarities between Peter Green and Syd Barrett here. So creative, so fluid, so in the zone and so not needing LSD to open them up any more.
Yeah I agree
um, the English doctors also were inept at treating them.
Brilliant as always James, and so true. I’ve always felt absolutely livid about the tragedy that fell on Peter Green. Such a major loss to music, and his story is truly heartbreaking. I believe he was a lovely chap but a tortured soul who as you say fell victim to his own success. Another great documentary and one everyone should watch, listen and take heed. Thank you mate. RIP Peter Green. 🙏🏻
Cheers Mark 👍👍
James , did you enjoy the Peter Green appreciation performance at the Palladium .. Dave Gilmour , Steven Tyler, Pete Townsend , Kirk Hammet and Noel Gallagher jesting ' I bet you lot thought I can't play the Blues 😂' .
Stunning concert I recommend to all
Good Day. Excellent & Sad. So many "great ones" have come and gone. I was born in 1952, and lived a time of wonderful musical happenings. I started playing drums in 1963 and music has always been a central part of my life.
Thank You & Best Regards 🎶
Great video. These stories are always so sad and too common from this era, Skip Spence. Roky Erikson and, of course, Syd Barrett
I was playing in San Francisco 1966 to 69 acid was legal. People thought they could fly were jumping out of windows and there was all kinds of bad trips. This is I feel what happened to Peter Green absolutely one of the greatest blues guitar players ever and definitely the first in the UK. I spoke with jimmy page once and he had a great amount of respect for Peter green. His singing was also something that was spectacular complementing his musicality as a guitar player. I saw the band in maybe 67 at the shrine auditorium. It’s always been a heartbreaking Riddle what happened to Peter Green
It was the STP that was the culprit..
Even if you do take LSD illegally (not recommending it) you should at least know about it. Spiking people is disgusting. Period.
I grew up in the SF Bay area in the 70s, you need your head to be in a good place before dropping acid.
Depends on the dosage .I took my first and only microdot and it was so strong I j shut down internally and no memory at all of what was going on for about 5 hrs then I started to come back and was so disappointed I couldnt recall anything.Luckily the friends I was with steered and directed me in the right direction otherwise anything could have happened.I would do it again but the rule of thumb is take less as you can always take more but if you take too much you cant take less and may well regret it.Agreed ; spiking is a terrible trick to play on anyone.
RIP Peter Green
I will always remember going camping with my mates back in the late 90s with my ghetto blaster listening to albatross. Great times.
Thank you for telling this story. It needs to be told over and over again. Peter Green was absolutely one of the best guitar players ever. And then it all was interrupted.
Great video as a young kid learning to play guitar I loved Peter green. I still think he is one of the most soulful guitar players I’ve heard. I romanticised the drug side of the band but as I got older I realised creativity has nothing to do with drugs. Living clean and facing your own problems and enjoying the act of creation is the best place. The great work Peter green did was there regardless of the drugs. The thing that was magic was him expressing himself so well through his guitar and voice.
Great video! With the depth of investigation you did, I would love to see how the Munich event drove Jeremy Spencer into the Children of God cult and Danny Kirwin into his own madness. The Munich incident had more victims than just Peter.
Those guys had other issues. The Munich thing had nothing to do with them.
Peter Green has, and always will be one of the greatest guitarists this country has ever produced. His effortless vibrato, the slides, the note choices, everything about his playing was magnificent. And Oh Well Part two is just off the scale for me, so personal, so bluesy, so painful also. Doesn't Kirk Hammett have Peter's famous Les Paul with the inverted neck humbucker?
He sold his Les Paul to Gary Moore around 1972. Gary played it until he sold it in 2006, due to financial difficulties. A few dealers had the guitar until Hammett bought it from a dealer in 2014.
Wow, I always enjoy your content but this one was something else. I play guitar and sing in a blues band. Peter Green has been a prime influence for me. I could'nt help but feel sad and emotional about this episode. Peter really was the man of the world.
Keep up the great work James, many thanks.
I think Peter Green had the genes for schizophrenia, the drugs just flicked those genes on like a switch. Anyone can succumb to drug induced psychosis but the majority with the correct care and environment come back down to earth. I think too much emphasis is put on the Munich incident, often by the band. Everybody in the group was great in their own right but, Peter was the 'golden goose' i think the emphasis on Munich is to kinda absolve their guilt of not seeing Peter's problems sooner and sending him home to rest and recuperate. That being said he was his own man and probably couldnt have been told otherwise.
One of the only sensible takes I've read in these comments
@SpartanDragonDXD I love him and it genuinely saddens me when I think of the downward trajectory he took after shining so brightly ....but every member of the band has a different account of what went down and it kinda reeks of 'pouring it on a bit too thick'. Just my two cents
Same unfortunately occured with Syd Barrett .
@ralphjones9903 prior to acid and a life in music, Syd as a teen was talking about being able to telepathically communicate with aliens. So yeah the seeds where already there and drugs and a lifestyle made it come to life
You might be right. Just like Brian Wilson, and Sid Barrett.
Same thing happened to Brian Wilson of "The Beach Boys".
These videos seem to be speaking directly to me. This and the one about Noel. Thanks mate.
After seeing this I can't help but think of Syd Barrett. Thank you for this video on Peter Green.
Excellent documentary , thanks, so sad, i always wondered what happened.
Jan 17, 1970 I was in the Seattle's Eagle's auditorium right balcony right over Peter Green's head as they did Fleetwood Mac performed the Play On album performance.
MK Ultra-esque, they sure destroyed that people's movement with those chems.
Highly placed Bavarians, stately homes, cults and military/secret service grade drugs… sounds likely.
I’ve started to lean toward the Mk ultra hypothesis is recent times as well.
Check out the book weird scenes in the canyon, goes in depth on the MK Ultra stuff going on in the LA scene in the 60s hugely eye opening with so much facts backed up, a lot of weird cult stuff going on surrounding bands in the 60s and 70s, Bowie had a similar experience with these kinds of people
@@simonwebster1148Excellent book! The Bavaria/Nazi connection is very real. I’m sure James will eventually debunk it.. not the first time I’ve had a comment on one of his videos removed after touching on these kind of topics.
@@ianlewis777 yeah that book blew my mind right open, can’t see how any one could deny all the connections after reading it, there’s no getting out the rabbit hole after that. You may be interested in listening to this guy Thomas Sheridan talking about the music scene back then where he makes a link that the process church of the final Judgement may have been/still are doing things around bands and artists th-cam.com/video/DRVlWyDKrYg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Ioh1fbJKQqgwzsqr
I totally agree with what you say about drugs pushing someone past the point of madness. We grew up in the 90s, past the days of LSD but mushrooms were very popular. I had a cousin who grew them, and his were the absolute best. I'd get them for everyone in my school, and eventually stopped when I'd see some kids having almost permanent effects. I'm sober 5yrs now, but between weed and mushrooms, years of coke and heroin plus whatever pills, I only now feel like I'm starting to return to my normal self.
Great presentation James.
Had the pleasure of seeing Peter in the lakes playing live thanks to good mates getting me a ticket
My god wtf was Peter given in Munich.
One of the best gigs I've seen no wonder people feel robbed of such a guitarist
Great advice James. Very well put.
Great video as usual. Often bring up Peter's story on a Friday night down the pub. Generally no one is interested and just go back to discussing the footy but at least I try! Stellar video and well researched
Did the scary Peter Green lsd recordings ever get released?
I don't think so. But perhaps check out Green's End of the Game solo LP. It was made in the aftermath of his leaving Mac and fits some of the descriptions (I would hardly call it ''scary''- Green Manalishi, is the one to hear for that!).
Great post James thank you 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video as always mate
I saw PG in Birmingham, England, in the early 90's, with the late Cozy Powell on the drums, at Ronny Scotts. It blew my mind. The skill of PG and the relentlessness of CP, and I do remember the base player, also relentless. It is a kodak moment for me
What a fantastic video have a wonderful day ❤😊 also RIP Peter green
Much appreciated 👍👍
They were still the best incarnation of Fleetwood Mac IMO. So sad what happened to Peter Green...
I loved listening to Peter Green and Danny Kirwin's guitars with that first Fleetwood Mac iteration. So sad to have lost them through those years.
Always be humble and grateful ❤
Peter Green had such perfect tone and was a brilliant song writer
The part from 17:10 onwards reminds me of John Frusciante's solo work during his heroin addiction - he was convinced it was beautiful, spiritual music and whilst there are parts that are intriguing musically, it does sound like a mental breakdown put onto tape.
This post directed to me by YT algorithm. I'd heard the story, but this exploration was interesting. I believe that the spiking may have been STP - but it doesn't really matter. The similarity to Brian Wilson is well made. Peter was obviously away in his own world for a very long time. His Splinter Group stuff is still so good - his Robert Johnson covers are excellent. Regards to all.
Very well documented ❤
Great episode...a proper perspective on what actually happened to Peter.
Very respectful. Thank you
Thank you for this, Green is right behind Syd Barrett as one of my favorite guitarist and tragic what-could-have-been figures. I actually really enjoy his instrumental END OF THE GAME album which he made after he left FLEETWOOD MAC, It's fascinating he joined the MAC for a little your of the States 1971 as an emergency replacement for Jeremy Spencer.
I recall watching the BBC4 doc that featured this Munich incident. That, after watching your superb video was just a fraction of the story. Thank you for making this and, again painting the FULL picture. 👍👍
I really like your videos, and a huge early Fleetwood Mac fan,and while I have a lot of things that I do feel need to be more established (specifically the sides of this story on some of the people mentioned in this video), It is a great thought out video none the less.
Great details and solid delivery, Mr. Hargreaves. Consider me a new subscriber. Cheers!
Thanks and welcome
He was such an awesome guy in such an awesome personality it's a shame that what happened to that happen to him
Although less known this could also be about Skip Spence of Moby Grape.
I'm very familiar with those days . I had seen Fleetwood Mac with Peter in Detroit around 1970 . It was actually the drummer Mick that went berserk during the show when I'd seen them .
He really was the best of the best, such a sad story.
Interesting, something that PG would never really admit, but what I had long suspected is that he was a frequent user of LSD, as opposed to what he said about taking it 6-7 times.
You do realize that when they’re talking about a 2nd person at the party locked in a trip with PG and also severely mentally damaged thereafter, they’re not talking about Dennis Keane, they’re talking about Danny Kirwan, the other Guitar player.
In the same way as Jimi Hendrix and countless others, the Industry fucked them over, they needed a long break with no drugs and good people around them, unfortunately, they never got that chance.
Yeah there seems to be a constant mix up over who was actually there, but the vast majority of people seem to say it was Peter and Dennis not Peter and Danny, so I have assumed people have got Dennis mixed up with Danny in certain places
This added a lot to my understanding of Peter Green and what happened to him. A tragic tale. Has that “LSD tape” ever been leaked or released? It would be interesting to hear it.
I don't know about the tape. But perhaps check out Green's End of the Game solo LP (it's on YT). It's from that era and fits the description.
Great video
spiking someone with an hallucinogen is a terrible prank and can be quite harmful. that's how 3 of the beatles first experienced Lsd. they were at a dinner party at their dentist's home and he put it in their coffee. but in my experience (and the beatles') most people who voluntarily take Lsd have a wondrous & harmless experience. not that i still do it- that was the '60's...
Love early Fleetwood Mac, sad to hear the more in depth explanation of Peter's crisis.
However with respect to LSD.... quality, quantity, attitude, and environment are major factors in how the trip goes down. It's not a party drug, more like a mirror to your inner self, I've also found the beauty of nature overwhelming when on it ...., I consider it spiritual. Haven't done it for many years but the insights still ring true. If you do it, treat it with respect, it's doesn't make you more creative, it will open your perspective, or at least it did mine.
Spiking is poisoning and a crime....very bad karma.
Hi James, great documentary. I would love to see you dive into Brian Wilson’s relationship with Dr Eugene Landy and how that changed him mentally and physically over the years as well as his relationship with members of the beach boys. It’s such a fascinating story that I would love to hear you talk about. Thanks.
Amazingly talented guitarist.
11/10 I worked in addiction services as a volunteer. Long term drug abuse can begin as a kind of self medication to escape the trauma of being raised in a hostile environment, but it all comes at a price and with a sting in the tail. One of the things you see is grown adults acting like teenagers. The drugs destroy their inhibitions and they don't know the difference between what's safe or dangerous, help or harm or being in or out of trouble. They don't do it deliberately or with any malice, they just walk blindly into situations others would avoid or safeguard themselves against. They don't mean to cause harm but they're drawn to it like a magnet, because of the damage the drugs have done to their minds.
I don't think it's creative at all. It's destructive. I play the guitar a bit. I tried to get a wee band going with them. Me and just one of them did one gig. The rest of them were out of it. If there was the least way to screw up they found it. But we had a good recovery rate and about 60% became drug free after a year or two.
A friend of my used it once. He told me the same things, and years later he still got flashbacks. The Drug was a experiment from the government.
Great video and such a great message to deliver to those who may consider taking LSD. Thanks.
You're right James, someone with an already fragile sense of self being spiked is the worst thing that could've happened. Jim Morrison was another who nonchalantly experimented with LSD and I think never recovered.
LSD didn't affect Jim Morrison like it did Peter Green, Syd Barrett, and Brian Wilson. He never went into constant freak out mode, or had mental problems becauseof it. Alcohol was what got Jim in trouble, and caused him to do stupid stuff. But Jim remained perfectly aware, intelligent, and alert up until his death.
It's conjecture. He had mental problems either way.
@@Iondeen I've never heard a single person say, or even hint that Jim had mental problems. None of the doors, friends of Jim, nor any of the biographers ever mentioned anything about him having mental problems. You're the only person I've ever heard even bring it up. Did he do crazy stuff while drunk? Yes, but everyone that drinks does crazy things. Jim didn't have mental problems. If someone were to make a diagnosis from watching the doors movie they might come to that conclusion, but the movie wasn't an accurate portrayal of Jim. Ray Manzarek said he wouldn't have hung out with the Jim in that movie.
@@michaelharrington75 There's countless examples of his core instability
I saw Him on tour with BB King in Leeds England a sort of comeback tour a good few years ago. He was obviously not well and being carried by the band. B.B King and his band were however magnificent. A very interesting video thanks.
NOT all drugs are for everyone. Psychedelics are nothing to take lightly. Especially if you have any type of trauma or issues you haven't faced or processed. So if you aren't in a mental space to deal with that should a drug trigger that experience. You're taking a chance on YES creating mental issues. Sad but true.
About bloody time
I saw them live in June 1968 in San Francisco at the West Coast Fillmore. Alvin Lee's Ten Years After was on the bill that night too. I had never heard of wither of them.
very informative, and sad. Syd Barratt probably had the same experience.
Thanks James, I think I've learned more about Peter Green's metamorphosis in the last 33 minutes than I have in all the years previously. I'm 77 now, I was in that hippy era, it felt great at the time; I even used hallucinogenics. Like the song says: 'I wished I'd known what I know now when I was younger.' And if you believe in predestination my life's course was meant to be as it has been. I'm a writer/poet; I've produced and 'self published' my last 2 collections this year. So far they've been met with a deafening silence. I certainly understand the 'God' complex, in my case it's been a tortured Christ wearing his crown of thrones and dragging my cross along with one arm of it draped over my shoulder.
Smart take, the risk is never worth it, messing with trippers may as well be having a go against a revolver in a round of Rushin' roulette even a win is a loss.
The Green God was the best guitarist I'd ever seen "live", and that includes EC, Alvin Lee, John Lee, even Hendrix, and most of the British blues guitarists of the 1960's. However Albatross finished it for me. He was never the same again. Incidentally the nickname of the Green God came b4 F Mac were even formed. It was when he took over from EC, as we all referred to him as God and initially we were gutted when EC left The Bluesbreakers, until we saw how brilliant Peter Green was.
Great guitarist, pity about his downfall.
I went through an LSD phase to in the early 1980s. To this day I believe you can trip 50 times and have a perfectly enlightened time. It only takes one time to accidentally take to much or get ahold of some bad acid. For around 3 years I took LSD occasionally. Then I had the most terrifying trip. It left me in a state I thought was permanent. For a week I couldn't get back to normal. My two friends who dropped cid with me had the same experience. I don't recommend anyone taking LSD even once. There's a 50/50 chance you'll stay tripping for the rest of your life. Example Syd Barrett, Peter Green
Very well done and important video. Drugs, sex, and rock and roll has been a mantra for decades, half a century or more. But, there are casualties of war. A life without drugs and alcohol, in balance, and with a strong God connection, is the key to positive creativity without losing yourself or your soul. Avoid drugs and cults. Manson and his family destroyed the Laurel Canyon scene and all its creativity. Some survived and thrived, but some did not.
James can you make oasis iceberg explained, i found that iceberg in reddit forum.
Jeez!! Sounds exactly what happened to Syd Barrett 😮
Poor Syd comes to mind..
i took a bunch of lsd with my buddy wen we wer teenagers and this trip he brought out a chess board and asked if i wanted to play, i had to tell him ide never played chess before, so he started explaining witch peaces moved witch ways and i started catching on and 2 hrs later i was thinking 10 moves ahead and i started winning the games. my buddy couldn't believe how fast i picked up the game. the lsd we had access to was made in the late 60s by a rather well known cook, and was by far the cleanest strongest lsd on the planet.
I would love to hear that music though
I used to do “Sid” all weekend, every weekend. If not when shrooms were in season. I was at henge in 81, 82, 83, and the last, beautiful, Stonehenge festival in 1985, and apart from the five, free soundstages often playing around the clock, and there was PLENTY of hallucinagens of every type. I was interested to hear Fleetwood quoted talking of paranoia, and friends of mine (one of them who took ANYTHING but smack all day every day) and we were all in agreement. People who couldn’t forget or suppress their EGO would always have a bad time tripping. Fear of people looking at you when not in control, fear of saying strange things, not being in control, etc, etc would always have a bad trip. I always LOVED tripping, but I’m an old man now and dunno where to score. But this guy talking of people being “too open minded” is totally wrong. Just the opposite. Paranoia is a result of the exact opposite. A closed mind.
Sod this. I’m off to the damm.
Its pretty clear that Uschi Obermaier was a MH Chaos agent out of Berlin. MH Chaos's #1 purpose was do discredit (or worse) anyone talking about Hippy love and not needing money or communes. And Peter had been giving interviews about all these things before flying to Berlin. And all those weird CIA projects had training centers in Berlin due to the Cold War. Brother walked right into the spider web. Next thing you know Hendrix was hanging out with Uschi. There's fairly famous photos of him walking her from their hotel to a taxi. Then Hendrix was gone fairly soon afterwards with all kinds of nonsense statements from (also a German) Monika Dannemann. Then Monika died under strange circumstances. I think Uschi Obermaier was Rainer Langhans' CIA handler as he experimented with communism. They wanted someone very close to him. The house/ estate the LSD party took place in can be google earthed at 48 degrees 00'22.75 North and 11 Degrees 08' 46.20 East in Germany.
The addicts in the comments a proving how easily some people are hooked onto drugs and then willing to defend their use, and misuse.
How do you know they're addicts? You don't, just an ad hominem attack to justify your nasty simplistic, reactionary attack.
Acid isn't addictive... Alcohol is though
If a person wants to use any drug, that is their choice, but dosing someone without their knowledge is assault. I’ve never used drugs, my grandmother was an addict and it frightened me and my brother away from drugs except alcohol, which I walked away from 14 years ago. Dosing someone is playing Russian roulette with another person’s psyche, and no one has the right to do that.
Well Pete wasn't wrong when he said : "Money is the problem ", ... of course the others were pissed, Pete wrote the genious songs and was the star ....
His son interviewed the guy (John Lennon clone guy with glasses in the photo) he said only Peter and the roadie was only at the tripping place !And his son be lives him over the band
Back then the dosages were huge.
I did acid a bunch in the 70s but spiking is a criminal offence.
great vid btw.
Its simpler than the ‘starting at level 8’, the strength can vary & the dose can b too strong. When either happen, the experience can b a nightmare. As well, in that era, there were lots of people pushing the whole spiritual trip (no pun intended ) which could explain the ‘giving the profits away’ bit.
I agree that some people should be careful or avoid LSD and everyone should have a guide.
I don't know what it being legal has to do with it. And most doctors and "professionals" are over priced, new age, yuppies that price poor people out of reach of help.
Drug, set and setting are good to consider but "professional" has nothing to do with skilled.
Also, Carlos Santana was on LSD at Woodstock and thought that he played horribly but Jimi Hendrix thought that he was great.
James talking about drugs. This should be interesting!
Jeremy Spencer clearly states in the clip shown prior to you wondering if LSD was the only thing given to PG that it was _Danny_ in the back seat undergoing whatever bad trip they were both experiencing.
Danny's behavior and subsequent "walk off" from the band speak strongly to the probability that he also was a victim of the "German Commune" spiking incident. Btw, the guy who was the leader of that group was an avowed communist militant and was the progeny of German aristocracy.
Also, l've always been convinced that the substance that was imposed on PG and Danny & Dennis (besides LSD) was scopolamine, a drug that is classed as a _deliriant._
was thinking datura, maybe brugmensia. And I assumed he'd fallen in with Satanists.
LSD is so dangerous, a schedule 1 substance since 1968; no one can know how the drug will effect any one person, they can only guess ('predict'?). It is not even known exactly how this stuff "works it's magic"...anyone spiking a drink, etc. with LSD to give to someone else, is just so whacked!! I purely love the music PG gave us, I ditto the comment B.B, King made of the great "Green Machine"... "He has the sweetest tone I ever heard; he was the only one who gave me the cold sweats." RIP Peter Green!
The music coming up from the basement described as not good, bad vibes so on. By 1969 just about any English band had turned on and created their psychedelic niche. What specifically did Mick, Dennis, Jeremy, and John find so awfully weird? Was it the synthesizers the Krautrockers were known for? could STP have been ingested? More details about the nature of the experimental music in the basement would be interesting.
Hallucinogenic substances can be very good. They should be used carefully, not abused. And no matter how great you think they are you should NEVER give them to someone without their knowledge.
If taken in the right settings and with experienced, good people around, a Trip can be a highly enlightening, spiritual experience.