Really like your videos, thank you! Between Franklin and Enphase 5p, which do you recommend for my situation? Already have IQ8+ micros paired with 400W REC panels and looking to add battery storage. 4x 5P or 2 Franklins. Cost-wise, they're about the same. I'm leaning towards Enphase just so I can be all within their ecosystem. Franklin seems new so not sure how things might go for them.
@@dalerolphThanks! I ended up with 4 Enphase 5Ps. They were commissioned a couple of weeks ago and it's been great! I'm on time of use rates and making about $7/day when it's sunny.
@@spgiants82 When designing a solar system, it’s crucial to ensure that the solar panels can consistently recharge the batteries, regardless of the time of year. For example, if you have a 5kW solar system paired with 40kWh of battery storage, the system might struggle to recharge the batteries fully if they are depleted by more than 70%. A quick way to estimate the appropriate battery size is to take your annual energy production in kilowatt-hours (kWh) and divide it by 365 days to find your daily average. Ideally, your battery capacity should be within 20-30% more or less than this daily average to maintain efficiency and reliability.
We have confirmation from Tesla and Enphase. We have been told SolarEdge is looking into it as well as Schneider Electric. We hope someone will come to market with a universal collar for any battery backup manufacture to use and integrate with.
Avoided cost would be the power company not running their natural gas turbines for topping off the demand load or alternately buying wholesale power in California''s wholesale free market if that still exists after the Enron swindle.
So the IQ8 Sunlight backup is a gimmick? When the grid goes down the IQ8 does not form a microgrid and island the home from the grid and keep the lights on? Are you saying you need a full backup to do this? I am confused. Enphase marketing implies their technology islands and forms a microgrid during sunlight hours when the grid is down. You do not need a battery. If the grid is down and the sun is down a grid tied battery with IQ8 should island too. Please clearify. I thought this is what seperates ENPHASE from all the other solution options!
You still need the automatic transfer switch (IQ System Controller) to form the micro grid. Additionally, if you do sunlight backup Enphase requires the IQ Load Controller which really only allows two circuits per load controller. There are other backend software restrictions Enphase imposes too that ultimately lead us to not offer the sunlight backup to our customers as it’s more of a marketing gimmick.
In for a penny. In for a pound. Grid Tie Residential Solar Electric: First, you had and inverter and the solar array. Then, you had battery backup. Then, you will be solving your utility company's problem with a battery grid tie system. Then, your utility company will change the contract which again, will not benefit you. Then, you will just give up and redesign for a stand alone system. Then, your insurance company will drop you (if they haven't already done so on another subject). At this point, you are looking at least a $60,000 cost from when you started. Then, you will move and start over. 30 years ago, Germany was offering $1 per kilowatt/hr. on grid tie systems regardless of power to your home or feeding back into the grid.
I’m not familiar with the policies of other countries net metering programs but you’re not wrong in having this concern of a vicious cycle. Though I do believe we are moving toward a new grid configuration, have you watched our latest video? We discuss a potentially new net billing program which encompasses electric vehicles.
@12:23 "Big money"... well, no, it's not. First, the "big money" only occurs during a very few specific hours of weekdays in August and September. All the rest of the time, the "big money" you are paid is LESS than the cost to you to import that energy. Secondly, if you look at their chart about "smart savings" notice how they show exporting about 12 kWh of energy... that's 3 5p batteries worth. And even if you are able to export that much, notice what also happens? You have no backup in case of power failure - and you're still importing energy all the way up through the peak rate (which ends at 9 pm or midnight, depending on your rate plan). There is another side-effect here that isn't being considered... the extra cycles of the battery results in faster battery degradation. To accurately assess the value of "Smart export" you have to include the cost of the accelerated degradation.
Riverside California and the last 4 years I've had at least an outage a year. Much less stable than what I was used to in the Midwest in tornado Alley.
Really like your videos, thank you!
Between Franklin and Enphase 5p, which do you recommend for my situation? Already have IQ8+ micros paired with 400W REC panels and looking to add battery storage. 4x 5P or 2 Franklins. Cost-wise, they're about the same. I'm leaning towards Enphase just so I can be all within their ecosystem. Franklin seems new so not sure how things might go for them.
@@shreyasdube they’re both great options, if space is a factor then Franklin is probably the better choice. Otherwise, Enphase has a great solution
@@dalerolphThanks! I ended up with 4 Enphase 5Ps. They were commissioned a couple of weeks ago and it's been great! I'm on time of use rates and making about $7/day when it's sunny.
What is the recommended ratio of solar panels kW size : battery kW storage
@@spgiants82 When designing a solar system, it’s crucial to ensure that the solar panels can consistently recharge the batteries, regardless of the time of year. For example, if you have a 5kW solar system paired with 40kWh of battery storage, the system might struggle to recharge the batteries fully if they are depleted by more than 70%. A quick way to estimate the appropriate battery size is to take your annual energy production in kilowatt-hours (kWh) and divide it by 365 days to find your daily average. Ideally, your battery capacity should be within 20-30% more or less than this daily average to maintain efficiency and reliability.
Dale Have you heard if Solaredge is developing a metered collar device?
Could you let us know which brands are going metered collar direction?
We have confirmation from Tesla and Enphase. We have been told SolarEdge is looking into it as well as Schneider Electric. We hope someone will come to market with a universal collar for any battery backup manufacture to use and integrate with.
So how exactly can you sell your stored energy from the battery to the grid? Does enphase app automatically discharge?
Yes, there are new mode called savings mode that is linked to the utility companies export and import rates.
@@dalerolphthat’s really cool
Avoided cost would be the power company not running their natural gas turbines for topping off the demand load or alternately buying wholesale power in California''s wholesale free market if that still exists after the Enron swindle.
What software do you use
We use OpenSolar, you should check them out
So the IQ8 Sunlight backup is a gimmick? When the grid goes down the IQ8 does not form a microgrid and island the home from the grid and keep the lights on? Are you saying you need a full backup to do this? I am confused. Enphase marketing implies their technology islands and forms a microgrid during sunlight hours when the grid is down. You do not need a battery. If the grid is down and the sun is down a grid tied battery with IQ8 should island too. Please clearify. I thought this is what seperates ENPHASE from all the other solution options!
You still need the automatic transfer switch (IQ System Controller) to form the micro grid. Additionally, if you do sunlight backup Enphase requires the IQ Load Controller which really only allows two circuits per load controller. There are other backend software restrictions Enphase imposes too that ultimately lead us to not offer the sunlight backup to our customers as it’s more of a marketing gimmick.
In for a penny. In for a pound.
Grid Tie Residential Solar Electric:
First, you had and inverter and the solar array.
Then, you had battery backup.
Then, you will be solving your utility company's problem with a battery grid tie system.
Then, your utility company will change the contract which again, will not benefit you.
Then, you will just give up and redesign for a stand alone system.
Then, your insurance company will drop you (if they haven't already done so on another subject).
At this point, you are looking at least a $60,000 cost from when you started.
Then, you will move and start over.
30 years ago, Germany was offering $1 per kilowatt/hr. on grid tie systems regardless of power to your home or feeding back into the grid.
I’m not familiar with the policies of other countries net metering programs but you’re not wrong in having this concern of a vicious cycle. Though I do believe we are moving toward a new grid configuration, have you watched our latest video? We discuss a potentially new net billing program which encompasses electric vehicles.
@12:23 "Big money"... well, no, it's not. First, the "big money" only occurs during a very few specific hours of weekdays in August and September. All the rest of the time, the "big money" you are paid is LESS than the cost to you to import that energy. Secondly, if you look at their chart about "smart savings" notice how they show exporting about 12 kWh of energy... that's 3 5p batteries worth. And even if you are able to export that much, notice what also happens? You have no backup in case of power failure - and you're still importing energy all the way up through the peak rate (which ends at 9 pm or midnight, depending on your rate plan).
There is another side-effect here that isn't being considered... the extra cycles of the battery results in faster battery degradation. To accurately assess the value of "Smart export" you have to include the cost of the accelerated degradation.
That mustache tho
Thanks!
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Riverside California and the last 4 years I've had at least an outage a year. Much less stable than what I was used to in the Midwest in tornado Alley.
Then you would want to go with the battery backup
this guy get 10K pure profit for every solar system he install..... that is the bussiness. lol
Maybe so, and his customers save money for the next 20 years. Win, win!
As he should. Thanks for the channel.
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