My Problem With Apology Tour
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It was ok
yikes. it’s definitely a choice to entirely blame blitzo and throw a party full of people who stab pictures of him to death, while stolas is getting the pure crybaby broken boy who’s a little confused treatment
Will probably work best with two or three more episodes to make it Stolitz breakup --> Blitz starting to heal --> Stolas starting to heal --> Stolitz being healed and realizing that maybe this can work, because I like the Full Moon/Apology Tour pairing of episodes, but I hope future episodes about them will be elevated by the set up here (like AT was with FM)
Stolas makes me angry in this episode
@@ehe2396 Fr, he's an oblivious little dumbass XD
During their talk, Verosika breaks the railings for her to sit while Blitzo sits down without breaking it due to his small size. This means that while they are talking Verosika is the one that is free while Blitzo is still trapped by his self-loathing and other issues.
it's nice visual symbolism
Noticed that too!
I loved that they added that
ooo i didn’t notice that, very keen observation!
Ive been online too much to know if this is just copium or einstein theory crafting
“You never loved mother and you don’t love me, you love HIM!” Is a line that gives me hope for an episode focused on Stolas’ issues, as well as gives some spotlight to Octavia. Octavia deserves to say this line SO much ;-;
I'm kinda worried tho that the show is gonna go out of its way to just dismiss everything Octavia says with "Oh no, Octavia is just manipulated by her shitty mom and uncle!!! Poor Stolas!"
I jsut wish that they did more with Octavia, the only times she's appeared it's bene the same situation just in a diffrent light
@@snakesareamazing Honestly Octavia being manipulated by ehr mom/uncle would make her more interesting and show off their relationship more, it'd suck but kids will listen to their parents. So Stella being able to put a seed of doubt in her duaghter smind woudl make sense and again show their relationship
@@thesupernaturalhouse I don't have a problem with Octavia being manipulated by her mom. But Stolas really hasn't been the best father, even if he cares. And Octavia has every right to be upset or even angry at him. But I'm worried that her legitimate criticism will be handwaved away and that all of it will just be blamed on Stella manipulating her
@@snakesareamazing ohhhhhh oh that's what you meant - my bad, I read it a different way, haha
But yeah, we haven't seen him do anything with her, we haven't even SEEN her, except twice, and that's only when she's being used as a pawn to further Stolas's story
And yeah, I also hope that she doesn't yell at her dad for using anti depressants. whoch is a thing some people said the storyboard had- which would suck because then it's just victomize stolas more
9:19 Arguably, Stolas not recognizing that the language he was using was demeaning to Blitzø is more of a reminder to us of his privilege over him, and to remember that even though Stolas thinks he didn’t do anything wrong, there can always be *unintended* consequences.
Just like... privileges do all the time. Yout dont need to mean it hurtful, du be increadible damaging. Think of... white saviour complex. Or just rich people thinking they know better how to fix a poor persons problem. Straights who tell LGBT+ people to just tone it down a little, and everything will be more easy... I see in Stolas what I saw soooo often in real life: that people think only because THEY don't look down on marginaized people, their privileges stop existing and the marginalized person is at fault, when they call out, that thats not the case.
That makes sense, he's not being "vulgar" but he still being demeaning.
Is he stupid
@@Alalea17 I think that's fair, but while that may objectively be the case, it still makes sense for STOLAS to claim he's never talked down to Blitz because he legitimately doesn't REALIZE he has.
YES ALSO HE CLAIMS HE NEVER LOOKED DOWN ON BLITZ BUT IN TRUTH SEEKERS CALLED HIM HIS IMPISH PLAYTHING BUT WAS MAD BLITZ THOUGHT IT WAS JUST SEX?? and had even said his book isn't "Supposed to be loaned to little imps like you" he always looked down on him but didn't realize it. He does this many times throughout the show but was mad blitz thought he was joking about loving him and the other stuff. Everyone blames blitz but no one talks about how stolas talked to blitz that made him think that way I ALMOST FORGOT ABOUT THAT PART It's so upsetting that stolas doesn't even realize that he's the reason blitz thinks that.. like he said many times in the show blitz was HIS imp or impish plaything or called him little(even said to moxxie and millie "he's my bodyguard not you little-er ones" I almost forgot that
One point that I found interesting in this episode is the scene where Stolas says: "I don't look down on you! How many times do I ha- When have I ever!? You speak just like that vile Striker friend of yours. The one who tried to kill me and you couldn't be bothered to come help me. Remember him?" Pay attention to this excerpt: "...and you couldn't be bothered to come help me...". Why do I find this part interesting? Because Blitz didn't ignore Stolas' call for help. He sent the M&Ms to the rescue because he was in the HOSPITAL with his DAUGHTER who needed a vaccine after 5 YEARS of waiting and on top of that, Loona was scared to death of needles (there is a theory that explains that this fear has a pretty terrible origin, but it's just a theory so let it go). He wasn't scratching his balls on the couch watching Hellflix, he was taking care of his own daughter. It is worth remembering that in the episode Seeing Stars, Stolas stayed with Blitz in a studio after he was mistaken for a famous actor instead of going after his OWN DAUGHTER who was lost in an unknown place. This episode becomes even more frustrating when we remember the episode Truth Seekers, where Stolas finds Blitz without any problems. If I'm not mistaken, in Seeing Stars he was without the Grimoire, but he still should have gone after his daughter even without the same power. Did you understand my point?? Stolas seems irritated that his lover gave priority to his own daughter over him. If I'm wrong, pls correct me
To bounce off, he even tries explaining WHY he felt it was okay for the MnM's to go after Stolas. They could handle him before, and since he was busy and genuinely knew how powerful Stolas was figured it would be a cake walk for the MnM's to get Striker in a position for Stolas to easily take care of the threat. He can't even grasp that Blitz had other priorities over him. That it really was that simple.
@@Piximae EXACTLY! I think Stolas forgets that Blitz has a LIFE and PRIORITIES that go beyond worthless seggs
@@Piximae He didn't explain actually, at least not to Stolas himself. Striker breaks the phone before Blitzo can tell Stolas anyone is coming to help him, and he never actually tells Stolas about Loona's fear of needles and need for support. He just says that it took him 5 years to get this appointment and Loona needs it due to the field work she's been doing.
It's not Blitz's priorities that Stolas took issue with, it was Blitz's overall attitude about the situation. Blitz, believing that Stolas could never actually be hurt, initially viewed Stolas' kidnapping as a inconvenience and yet another case of Stolas pretending to need rescuing (think back to Lu Lu Land, where it's revealed that Stolas never actually needed a body guard). Even Stolas himself sounds unconcerned about his own predicament. It isn't until Striker breaks the phone that either Stolas or Blitz even consider that Stolas might be in actual danger. And remember that we know a lot that Stolas doesn't. Blitz didn't tell Stolas about Loona's fear of needles or need for support (he just says she needs the shot because she does a lot of field work), and Striker breaks the phone before Blitzo can tell Stolas that M&M are coming to help him.
And they never actually talk about what happened or clear up any of this miscommunication afterwards. Full Moon is the first time they see each other after Stolas' kidnapping. So from Stolas' perspective, Blitz literally just couldn't be bothered.
@@FoxMoon89 Good points, man. Lack of communication is the downfall of any relationship. If this ship really happens in the future, may the two of them resolve this problem that ruined the relationship in the first place.
“If you want to change it just starts with saying ‘Good for him, hope he gets laid.’”
How can the best relationship advice come from a succubus?
I don't know, but I'll take it! Maybe Verosika isn't that bad.
@@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982she was never that bad smh
actaully it starts withh sorryyyy
Because it’s part of her job to get people.
You forget there in hell she's not on the clock lol porn stars can have relationships as well outside of there job
I like that they made Verosika into more complex character. She isn't just bitchy ex- girlfriend. She is also hurted by him and she actually wants to other heal as well.
So basically she's like a therapist or something? I mean the Anti Blitzø Party is unnecessary, but still.
Seems more like the party is for her own sake.
Are you really helping people heal by doing this “screw this man” party where everyone loses themselves for a night or is this just comfortable misery?
@@christopherbennett5858 Actually no. The party isnt all about her. It's for everybody. You never see try to make about herself. She is trying uplift others.
I think it's nice she does want blitz to get better, even if she still doesn't like him or even fully forgives him
She can see that Blitzo does care about them and likely wishes their relationship went better
But at this point, he needs to move on, and realize what it is that keeps ruining him
@@ghostrouxinol6169 But is it working?
Because, if you’re having an annual party about hating the man who messed you around, instead of an actual group therapy session, it feels more like a comfortable sadness to lose yourself in rather than making genuine progress. A justified misery instead of trying to move on with your life.
I swear, when blitz asked for a reason why Stolas would ever like him, Stolas doesn't even give him reasons, all he says is he only wanted to live some fantasy romance and basically blitz was just there, I fucking lost it, lmao
Edit: Oh boy this comment sorta blew up. Welp, time to clarify a couple points I guess. And listen, in the end, this is just a fictional show about dysfunctional assholes in hell, no one's a winner here.
My point here was less about Stolas wanting to live in a fantasy and more so about how he never actually gave Blitz any specific reason for why he specifically liked him specifically. Like, yeah, he's drunk and whatnot, but like it's still not gonna convince Blitz that Stolas sees him as anymore than just his "imp plaything"
There's that classic writing tip of "show don't tell" that I think applies to many aspects in life, one of which being relationships. Sure, someone can tell you they love you, but do they ever actually show it?
I do hope the show can turn this around in the future. You know what would be fucking fantastic? If Stolas got into another relationship and started being demeaning to his new partner, BUT that partner is able to more reasonably call out that shit to him and make Stolas realize that he WAS doing the same thing to Blitz.
Ultimately, we'll just have to wait and see I guess
Stolas wants a telenovela and honestly im getting worried that hes not even into Blitz at all.
Hes into the idea of love. He doesnt like Blitz.
That just makes the situation a lot more sad...
Stolas' idea of his romantic life is very sad. Wanting it to be like in the books, movies, and shows. And Blitzø's said it sounds like a rom-com. That's because it does sound like it.
Blitzø can see how fake it sounds on what Stolas fantasizes about romance... Blitzø probably or not knows what a real romantic relationship, and it got him hurt because the ex who hurt him faked it all... So, when Stolas wants a fantasy romance, Blitzø wants a real romance
He does like him his choice of words is just horrible
Everyone wants to live that romance just once and he thought he had that with Blitz. It’s not wrong for a dream but he needs some reality to see it doesn’t have to be perfect.
@@arandomhuman3726 and what evidence has the show shown us to make anyone come to that conclusion? The whole relationship started off as a lie made by his father. Somehow he didn't later in life realize that his "childhood bestie" stole from him and acknowledge that his "friendship" wasn't real but an obligation for Blitzø. Then when Blitzø comes back randomly, Stolas has been so stuck in this idea he had of him just from ONE interaction he had with him as a kid, that he's deluded himself into thinking Blitz is in love with him. That's not love nor liking someone as they are in any capacity. That's idolization. From what I and everyone else has seen, he doesn't like Blitz. He WANTS to live out this fantasy he's created in his head where a man comes in and swoops him away from his toxic wife and loves him, takes him on dates, and all the things he desires in a romantic relationship. Blitz has done none of that. All Blitz has done is have sex with him as an obligation to his JOB. Stolas is and has been wrong on his part. But his expectations on Blitz are set so high for no rational reason. Blitz has already shown Stolas who he really is. Stolas has been blatantly ignoring it in service for the ideal version of him he has in his head. And Blitz doesn't like him either. He felt trapped by the whole situation he was in with Stolas. Uncomfortable with the advances made at his expense, honestly undermining his as a person.Shown in the hallucination he had when he was on the truth serum. He may like him now but there's nothing showing that to be true. And I personally have been against the whole idea of those 2 ending up together since the start of the whole relationship. It's just not right. They'd need to be separate for a long time and come back as completely different people for me to be on board with it.
I love how Verosika lowkey realizes that blitz belongs in the "I hate Blitz" Party more than anyone else
I think the only reason she softened up a bit was because blitzo finally did apologize to her in a heart felt sincere way, and knowing people and a ex just like blitzo finally getting that is so cathartic since the people I've known would rather die before ever saying sorry.
@@deadspaceskull6905 Tbf, yes, but it also goes on to show that she realizes that he does hate himself for all the stupid shit he has done, which ties onto him giving her a heartfelt apology. She learns that he is changing, that he hates himself, that he is sorry, and that with a good enough of a push in the right direction, he will be a better Imp.
I enjoyed the episode. The only thing that really bugged me, beside the possibility that Stolas won't be made to own up to his mistakes, is that Stolas never answered Blitzo's question as to why he would want Blitzo. During Stolas' list of things he wants he also always referred to wanting someone to want him or love him, he never specifically said he wanted Blitzo to be that person. It left me feeling that Stolas is more in love with the idea of love than actually being in love with Blitzo and that if someone else, before Blitzo, had been the first person to show him some positive romantic attention, he would have fallen for them just as easily as he fell for Blitzo.
Right? It felt so wrong. I bet the show won't even acknowledge it.
Aaaand that could definitely be a direction they're hinting at with that other tall male imp at the party.
Maybe they will address his failure to take the relationship as anything more than a self-satisfactory fantasy for him.
This is such an interesting take, and I really hope it’s addressed in the later episodes
Hit the nail exactly on the head!
I get that but at the same time, sometimes you don’t even know what you want, all you know is you feel strongly towards someone, you aren’t sure why or what caused it but you Like them, hell you love them, Even if you don’t know why, Stolas asked Blitz for permission with the Incubi not to mention the fact he was pretty drunk
I think vortex is here just for Verosika cause we know they're close
He is likely to be Verosika's Bodyguard. Earth or Hell, you probably want to have your talent being protected.
And, he's her bodyguard so
Didn’t he say that he’s not payed enough to care about Verosika’s beef? I mean, makes sense why he would be at the party, but…why perform, tho?
He's her top bodyguard in her staff. Also he's already dating Beelzebub
And may still have hard feelings about a bet between the two over over a parking spot ended with him, Verosika, and the other succubi getting stuck in human jail for a night, or how he butted in on his conversation with Loona before that.
Honestly, I want Stolas' servant imp to be the one to actually break it to him that he is demeaning to Blitz.......I think it would be funny if we maybe get a bit where Stolas actually realizes he doesn't even know his name.
Ooooooh that would be good, for some reason I hope he has a really deep voice
I hope its a scene of him grabbing him again and realising it, BUT after he apologises for doing that I want the imp to tell him.
"NONO, Sir it is perfectly fine!"
I want him to realise that not only he hurts them, but because of his status THEY ACCEPT THE ABUSE and ALLOW HIM TO CONTINUE THE ABUSE.
CAUSE ITS THEIR JOB.
I want him to realise he did the same to Blitz. If Blitz didnt prostitute himself - HE WOULDNT HAVE HIS JOB. His life, the same as the butler is in his hands.
I would LOVE that. And then I need him to realize that he doesn't even know Moxxie and Millie's names, two IMPS who showed up to save his feathery ass at the insistence of BLITZ. Like we could have Stolas have his own little apology tour-I say little because he had no real time or ability to create as big a mess as Blitz, but arguably, his is going to be even more tragic, because OCTAVIA, and yeah, Stella, too-and he's just like Well...hmmm. :|
@@G.D.G. YEEEESS!!!!!! i would actually cry if this happened.
Ugh. I wish this was actually in the show. It would be perfect, but of course Vivzie wouldn't let it happen to the perfect prince.
My 2 main problems with Apology Tour:
1. The whole time I was watching through the first scene I was absolutely certain it was Blitzo's dreaming, 'cause it felt so incredibly out of tune with where we left off mere weeks ago with The Full Moon. It was more than a little jarring, honestly. Stolas going from inconsolable to bitchy in what felt like a heartbeat, and Blitz acting like he understood nothing about what happened that night... like, what am I even watching? Is THIS the aftermath of their monumental fight? Are we already playing it all for laughs? I mean, my feelings were HURT by The Full Moon, I ain't recovered yet! Too soon.
2. When Blitz finally admits that he just can't conceive Stolas wanting him, Stolas replies with: "You know what I want?", which I thought was going to be a setup for a proper love confession this time. And what do we get instead? Stolas going all Gabriela and describing his romcom fantasies where he "just wants someone to want him". SOMEONE - not Blitz, SOMEONE, like, ANYONE will do. Right on cue, Better Than Blitzo appears and sweeps Stolas off his princely feet and voilà, they're making out. And yes, I know Stolas is wasted, but if that's all it takes for him to start tonguing the first guy who's willing to give him the time of day, then I'm left wondering... are we even sure Stolas is in love with Blitz after all? Maybe he's just in love with this idolized vision of romance and relationships he's built in his head after being deprived of the natural experience of falling in love the regular way at a younger age.
Honestly? I don't even know if we should be shipping these two anymore. Getting a metric ton of mixed signals here.
Same. I dont think they are a good ship anymore.
Well said
I agree. I wanted them two fix their relationship but now I don’t. Seems like Stolas never cared about Blitzo at all. He doesn’t deserve him
@@G.D.G.They've NEVER been a good "ship."
The lesson this is teaching us is the same one I had to learn myself: dating can ruin emotionally intimate and close and supportive friendships between people.
Tbh I give Stolas the benefit that he appears wasted and that he can't actually know how love is. He was never loved, his dad barely remembered his existence, his wife was always hating him etc. So asking someone who doesn't know what love is, why they love you will get you a bad response. For Stolas that was love and he thought he and Blitz would have that and then when he was not given it he went "I wanted someone to give me that" and turned to the first person willing to. Is that right? No, I think that much is obvious. But I don't think his feelings are fake, we just only see one POV and seeing things as Blitz rn make us think what he does: Stolas doesn't love him.
Stolas needs a wake up call and to realize that he is not in a movie to get his romcom fantasy, he needs to put in work and be ready for the bad and good. And I think we slowly get there like the stuttering when talking about when he thought little of him, the "look my way" song, trying to sing about also making mistakes and also talking about taking away the power imbalance they had with the deal. Stolas was the one to open up first and then was wrong for expecting flowers and rainbows but I doubt he'd do it just because he is "obsessed", not in that setting.
Alsoooo everyone kind of switches sides per episode depending on the focus so. Blitz didn't come to the hospital? Blitz bad. Stolas kissed another dude? Stolas bad.
Sarcastic cohrus guessing martha and mayberry ship is hilarious
To be honest I need to see how they hooked up, it would be hilarious
There needs to be a short explaining how the relationship happened
@@LCBKhere’s my own little theory Martha was Mayberry’s affair partner but one day she stepped out of line and fucked Mayberry’s husband essentially cheating on her cheating 😅 so now that they’re both in hell they just said screw it and got together
@@methraccoon I hope this is the short we get next month or so with your comment lol
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Nah Tex is just Verosika's bodyguard, he and Blitz didn't bang
And he has a top demon leader in his bed. Doesn't need Verosika.
Kinda out of place for him to join in dunking on Blitz-O.
@@gojihunter3118 well idk. I totally see Tex not having a great outlook on Blitz. I'd imagine Verosika might have confided in him as a friend plus he saw Blitz acting out at both the beach and at Beel's party. He probably is just supporting his friends and probably thinks "yeah this guy's probably a POS"
@@airakorainies There's a difference between being supportive, and adding fuel to the fire.
@@gojihunter3118 that’s fair. That’s just the only thing I could think of as to why he’s there at all lol (besides being Verosika’s bodyguard)
Ppl fr think bro has no free will. Reminder: HE started the deal, HE belittled blitz, HE made it all about sex, HE didn’t stand up for him, HE cheated instead of leaving his wife, HE neglected his daughter for sex,HE started the miscommunication, and finally HE is delusional. I pity him but I can’t really sympathize with him when he willingly chose to do all these shitty things. I think this quote sums stolas up quite well. “It’s not the drugs, or the alcohol, or your childhood, it’s just you.”- Todd from BoJack Horseman
Harsh but true. It isn't a "pure knight and flawless", Even though i heavily relate to Stolas 80% definitely as a adult as he's more what im like now, and i find him the most relatable post 20s. I used to be a lot like a little Blitzo.. as a kid 14-19. I was "trying to look cool, fancy", and then a group of people walked by. I got tons of compliments "You look great in that tux" "he looks so sharp" "looking sharp there, soldier!" "He looks like a hottie", every compliment was like a little swig. Then someone out there i tried to approach went "Ew no! They look wrong for you girl!" "You don't want a man who'll just pump you and dump you".
I think i changed as a kid and that was in my 19-20s. To be fair i think we all are a result of our upbringings, dominos, and influences to a great extent.
Stolas i think in the end got hurt/used but it was a "situationship". S1-5 Stolas/pilot stolas definitely did use Blitzo for sex or mistook lust for love or a excuse to get away / break up with Stella. He rushes into whatever 'warmth' appears after a break up. But he waited and waited for Blitzo, only to get more and more hurt.
But Blitzo, while he definitely hurt stolas fully by choice imho. Still gave lots of ques that he subtly but clearly didn't "want" more. He refused wanting more S1:6. Shirked off Stolas, left him to die in a hospital, saw him as a chain, didn't visit him, didn't save him. Expressed anxiety at Stolas after Moxie pointed out their business would fall apart if anything went wrong. And clearly warms up immediately to fizz and blushes over a excuse grab.
If Fizz was in the prince garb and part of royalty smiling and waving at Blitzo, I highly doubt Blitzo would be "Oh woe is me, you are awful for me fizz", he'd jump right in. Consiously or not, Blitzo's mental heart seems to sparkle and fizz at Fizz, even though Asmo and Fizz are married. And his lust heart likes watching Moxxie and millie. He's a lust goblin, his relationship with loona literally has him doing child abuse as a joke in s2:2 with cptsd flashbacks. And for most parts, he functionally acts as a immature abuse reflector.
But holy jesus Stolas ignored EVERY sign Blitzo DIDN'T want more or wouldn't be good for more. Yes Blitzo's ripped Stolas's heart. But Stolas ignored every sign with rose tinted goggles through literal chokes, neck snaps, verbal abuse. Blitzo literally used the thing as a cover to 'tie him up' for 'bondage' to rob the guy, for pete's sake.
It's just fiction and i'm definitely over projection here. But there are real world situations where even many irl abusers say "sorry i hit you. But you made me do it". Many abuse free people say. "Sorry you felt that way, what can we do to make it better?"
THIS
the point is, he never wanted this life. he was forced into it. breaking out of these chains and the gotia family is a huge shtty construct. things like that are never nice or easy for no one thats involved.sure he got his flaws too, he is not really different from blitz in his experiences. thats how divorces or other kind of break ups work most of the time. he was going to look for Via when she was crying at night having a nightmare while stella doesn´t give a damn fk about her crying daughter and seeing her only as a necessary evil because she had to have segs with stolas to get an heir for the gotia family. unhealthy patterns lead to unhealthy decicsons. he never learned how to communicate correctly. no one was interested in his opinions or feelings or whatever. how does he know then? he wasn´t able to speak up to via too. he didnt had the words and on top doesnt want to put the full load of adult-stuff to his teen daughter why everything is so complicated.. he is also living in a fake environment of gotias. his only job was to stfu the whole time and accept whatever may comes. like a doormat. backtalk wasn´t accepted at all. from the outside it´s clear but people have to be aware of their trauma to change things and its not different for blitz. people with trauma are also prone to addictions thats proven. some are getting addicted and others not even if hey go through heavy trauma experiences. why its not entirely discoverd. and of course he is dreaming of someone who cares about him. he was treated like sht his whole life. from his family, his wife. blitz took advantage of stolas since he was a kid. its also not uncommon that when 2 people have a deal about a segs related "relationship" that one is catching feelings sooner or later. thats also what happened here. it starts with an easy deal both were fine with in the beginning and you know what?...people fking change. it happens. it has nothing to do with their trauma...thats life happening there. people are allowed to change (their opinion on a topic) even if that means he is no longer okay with that darn deal they had. and he is also allowed to have fun, to find himself, figuring out what he really wants and making new decisions out of it. does they ave to be smart?...no. because he have things to learn like blitz too
THANK YOU!!!!!!! i swear im finding my people tonight. like bro. thank you
Can we also appreciate that whenever Blitzø is mad, upset, thereatened or emotional he sways and smacks his tail around like an aggitated cat?
A lot of people seem to be forgetting that Stolas is just as toxic as Blitz. I mean Blitz may have been convinced that the only thing Stolas wanted out of their relationship was sex, But a lot of people seem to be forgetting that having sex in exchange for the use of the Grimoire was all Stolas's idea.
And it's because of that and because of how Stolas acted around Blitz he thought that Stolas only saw him as a plaything.
It seems that the show is going to address this bc the episode description says that Stolas isn't self-aware yet. In his song introspect on what he might have done (what if I come on too strong, what if I read it all wrong, etc.). If anything, the show seems to be addressing it, but the fan base, both for & against Stolas, is ignoring it.
Yeah, but Stolas realised that this wasn't healthy for him and for Blitz, he decided to put an end to it while providing Blitz with a tool to keep his business growing without relying on the grimoire, and then stated clearly and on multiple occasions that he had feelings. Stolas was the one to start the whole sex deal, but he was also the one to put an end to it with true honesty about his feelings. What he did wrong was to change things so suddenly that Blitz was caught off guard, and then shutting the whole conservation and walki g away from Blitz without leaving any room for Blitz to think about it and react. It's not fair to change what is at the core of a relationship without leaving enough time for the other people involved to adapt and see if they want it too. He had no patience there and it wasn't fair. He's also completely blind to the fact that being a prince of hell dating an imp necessarily implies a power imbalance, and that you can't really blame someone from assuming a prince of hell is strong enough to beat an imp on his own. Anyone would have assumed that. For the rest, he has been honest and upfront, and I don't blame him for starting things as purely sexual and then wanting to make it romantic. That happens to people in real life too
I think Stolas will need his own arc to realize his own mistakes latter in season 3
Yeah, I mean Stolas’ first meeting with Blitzo was literally him being ‘rented’ for Stolas. Idk how he doesn’t realise that. I’m not sure the show will address it in as much depth as Blitzo. I mean they really seem adamant on blaming him (cmon, a whole hate party?) I think they’ll make Stolas say sorry but he absolutely will not get scrutinised the way the show likes hammering down on Blitzø
That's what I have been saying since the jump. Stolas is just as much to blame for this mess and for Full moon he was to blame for the majority of it.
Ngl but Verosika and Vortex singing "No no no, he's a motherfucker" seems like an intentional part. Reinforcing this idea that Blitz is wrong and horrible, not acknowledging any possible wrongdoing. This could be key in Stolas coming to realize what he did wrong.
See, I don't see what a character says as that being the authors voice. Stolas is slowly realizing he's fucked this up too, and is getting told by others "no that's wrong". Because characters are complex. They can lie, they can be wrong. Not that Verosika is an NPC, but I liken this to GMs who don't like playing NPCs in a roleplaying game, because the player will think "oh, well if this NPC is telling me this, then it must be WOG because it's coming from the GM!" when it can be just as easily a red herring. Verosika is allowed to be hurt and angry, and she's also allowed to be wrong. The two are not mutually exclusive.
I read it a bit more like Fizz and Ozzie's song in the club. They lead a safe space for a specific mood, either unrestrained lust or a trauma venting party. Their song isn't just for the main characters, but to maintain safe space for the everyone else in them.
Stolas was beating himself up in the song so their parts seemed more like
"you shouldn't have to feel bad for this guy of all people"
That's what I was thinking too, at first it seems like it's coming off as "no you shouldn't overthink this he's an asshole" like they're telling stolas to not be so hard on himself, but the other angle would be "you did nothing wrong, fuck that guy" which isn't healthy in the slightest but would also definitely be a narrative that Verosika would wanna push considering she runs the petty hate party and she has struggled to own up to her own mistakes the last time we saw her
Also that Stolas was drunk prohibited him from fully realising what Blitz was actually saying here. It is entirely possible that once he gets sober he will have that moment of realisation...
Or he just forgot the whole conversation, that's possible too...
I feel like Blitzø is so used to be 'the bad guy' and 'in the wrong' that he cannot even think about the obvious examples of Stolas looking down on him. Because he puts him in such a high pedestal.
Pretty sure Blitz isnt even mad about the hate party because he hates himself so much more then his exes can imagine.
I doubt he blames anyone for hating him.
Nah he's just tall af /jk
This is exactly what I was thinking too. I feel like Stolas might hear it from someone else because blitzø can’t see stolas’s wrongs past his own self-hatred.
I felt icky when Stolas was coming at Blitzo for not saving him from the assassination attempt - I get that he wanted Blitzo to come save him, but Blitzo chose his daughter, and still sent his team to go save Stolas. Blitzo SHOULD always choose his daughter, no matter how small it is. I feel the same way about Stolas and his daughter, Stolas should always choose her over Blitzo no matter how small. It just feels like Stolas thinks he should come first in Blitzo's life, but he shouldn't.
The funny thing about that is stolas did choose blitzo over his daughter during seeing stars, he ended up with him at the human show instead of continuing to search of finding an excuse for him and blitzo to get away
I disagree, it's a matter of how dire the situation is. A vaccine is not nearly as dire as an active kidnapping and assassination attempt. In the episode Blitzø realizes that Stolas can get hurt as the whole justification for not going to save him, which makes no sense when he saved him the first assassination attempt, so he must have been aware Stolas could be hurt somehow.
Why does Blitz need to save him? Stolas is a prince, he could have called anyone to rescue him. Why Blitz? Blitz has no obligation to save Stolas, he Even send Millie and Moxxie to save him, I don't think Blitz's intervention would have made a difference. @@JUNJYR Blitz did nothing wrong in helping his daughter than a powerful demon who could have saved himself and had a phone in his hand.
@@JUNJYRthis is true but i feel like blitzø just figured moxxie and millie could handle it. which they kinda did?
@@frog3630 That is a point in his favor. He didn't go himself, but he sent the people he trusted most to handle it.
Octavia is the only character with the ability to give Stolas a proper dressing down. I’m counting on her to slap some self awareness into him.
I am thinking it should be Asmodius because Stolas needs to learn about relationships
Feels weird that Stolas was the one acting horny to Blitz at the beginning of this series only to change after that.
Yea
The series never denies that he's horny. It's just that being horny isn't his only personality trait.
I think it’s about role reversal, it’s common in most relationships
@@owltree_s The show had to be careful with how they wrote Stolas after season 1 as to not make him a Valentino. But at this point, they just made Blitz act like an asshole in the beginning of the episode so he can have an arc and Stolas can be petty 💀
@@hehhehhehheh-wn7zz Not really. If you look through out S1 you can see that Stolas was being genuine. Trying to hang out with Blitz outside of their arrangement, hiring him to support his business, complementing him, etc. We can see how they came off but we should also be able to try to understand intention.
0:02 Verosika is actually giving blitz a warm and friendly smile which kinda shows she still kinda cares about him
I would rather see verosika x blitz instead of stoliz
@@kranli8043same
@@kranli8043 honestly that would be a really interesting twist if the ex no one really considered as still a option did swoop in and there was still something there.
@@kranli8043 that would be an interesting and hilarious twist if that happened, both in story and in real life with the shipping chaos from the fandom it would create
bluntly put, i hope it happens.
speaking from a too optimistic lense, i hope Stolas and Verosika agree to share Blitz.
ive been saying this show dgaf about consistency they just change things to fit their soap opera drama narrative 😭 i saw the episode yesterday and i was like “cant wait to see sarcastic chorus talk about how they completely ignore stolas’ role in their relationship and blame it all on blitzø”
they are absolutely going to go the lucifer route just panned out for probably a whole season instead of a single episode (or more like a single song if were being honest with ourselves. lucifer was such bs)
@@jokeroppiomg yes the lucifer and charlie thing was so icky to me 😭 like how did the daddy issues get resolved by one song??
@@frog3630 Its kinda funny when you think about it lol. Like charlie was talking about her daddy issues..and then it gets fixed in a single episode. Like? Felt so unnatural haha.
@@frog3630 it was how most of the show felt to me like there was no build up to deserve that payoff and it was so undeserved, the only character i actually cared about was sir pentious which was ironic because of how his arc ended (and that pissed me off so much too)
An aspect of the Blitzo hate party that I find particularly heartwarming is that some of the people there hook up. Granted, most of them are probably just a one night thing, but some of them blossom into actual relationships.
I'm slightly curious how many of them are actually over Blitz but still show up to support the ones who aren't.
@@dannybrine8718I’m sure there has to be some people there that just came because it’s “verosikas” party and not just for hating on blitz
@@TangixMochii seeing how Denis was there i don't think it takes much for an invite.
I agree Stolas needs his own episode to fix his mistakes too.
That's probably what the last episode for Season is gonna be about if you remember that part with Octavia in the Trailer where she complained about her father Stolas loving Blitz more than his own daughter
He needs way more than just one episode. He needs his own arc. An arc the writers clearly won’t give cause they can’t bare to admit their precious little owl can do wrong.
@@ShadowKitty7908they mentioned it multiple times why does everyone think the writers think he’s innocent when he’s clearly not lmfao
AhahahaAHAHAHA!
@@_ShiAngelI'd like to see the writers show that he's not but nah they won't and haven't for 2 Episodes.
Did everyone forget that Tex is Verosika's bodyguard? So he works for her and maybe that's why he's there.
Odd that Vortex was backing up Stolas' singing, feel like it should have been another actually person that was hurt by Blitzø doing it.
I thought he was part of the band since his tattoo and the drum’s symbol match.
Stolas' first relationship was a political arrangement with someone who hated him, and his second was a transactional arrangement with someone who offered zero emotional investment. It's pretty understandable that his only real ideas of genuine love come from telanovellas
Octavia's line is the last hope for stolas being held accountable for his actions and not being made into an angel who did nothing wrong like the first time
yeah my only worry is that it's some kinda illusion/hallucination, as the trailer has what looks like blitz fighting an evil clone and audio of millie telling him how he makes everyone worse--a lot of ppl are guessing this is an illusion so octavia calling stolas out could be one as well. but we'll hafta wait and see, we rlly don't know
@@tiablue9106 if that's an illusion I'm gonna drop the show but I don't think it will be
@@tiablue9106 I doubt it would be the case and if it’s about Octavia, that should be tackled on Mastermind and Sinsmas. The illusions Blitz encountered appears in the next episode.
I feel like if there is anyone that could be able to encourage Stolas to hold himself accountable, it would be his own daughter he cared about, being one of the very few people we know of that he valued the most.
@@mysryuza yeah and she was also the one that got screwed up by his actions the most
Stolas: "I have NEVER looked down on you!"
Also Stolas: "My Impish little plaything~~😏😏"
Bro legit made it a friends with benefits situation from the start and got pissy when Blitzø didn't immediately go along with it when he suddenly (from Blitzøs perspective) wanted to change the relationship into a romantic one after being nothing but overly sexual and thirsty before.
The owl man is acting as if the little horned guy strung him along/cheated/betrayed him and is so so angry with him, when all Blitzø did was NOT RECIPROCATE HIS FEELINGS THE SECOND HE CONFESSED. He denied the guy an actual talk and is now pissy that Blitzø didn't apologize. If they had actually talked it out, there would have propably been a good ending to full moon.
Yeah, how many times has Stolas cut blitz off from trying to apologise or actually talk about stuff in these last two episodes? At least 3 I can think of lol. I feel like there's legit nothing Blitz could have done to fix this because Stolas isn't receptive to anything Blitz does. It's like Stolas set himself up to fail and now he's committed to being a professional victim about it instead of actually trying to acknowledge any wider issues or resolve anything.
Yeah, I get that he's confused, but he is totally wrong when he said he never looked down on Blitzø. Maybe he never *intentionally* looked down on Blitzø, he was raised in a social class where everyone thinks they're better than everyone, so it's no surprise that he wouldn't see the problem with his behavior. The main issue is that he's continuing to not see any problems with his former behavior, and so far, no one in the show has brought it up other than Blitzø, and it sort of feels like we weren't supposed to take him seriously, and that he was "just saying those things to be hurtful". I could totally be reading it wrong, but that's how it's coming off to me.
@@liamorrison4484 thissssss!!!! Oh my god this. I would be 100% okay with Stolas' behaviour (because characters who behave like dicks can be really interesting) but only, if the Show actually showed that is was wrong, instead of pretending that he is this uwu soft little owl cutie who never did anything bad. I like characters messing up and making wrong decisions. I like it, when especially the main characters have some actual flaws. What I genuinely despise in terms of writing though, is when the show looks at those bad actions and refuses to acknowledge them/defends them to hell and back
He's a spoiled rich asshole, we love him, but he was raised as a Blueblood
He literally thought Blitz liked that, though, because of how he had reacted when they first hooked up. Blitz has given him every reason to think he was into it, and Blitz never cleared up the misunderstanding because he benefited from it and was comfortable due to it validating his insecurities.
I don't think Stolas saw that as looking down on Blitz; he genuinely thought he was giving Blitz what he wanted.
Well Martha’s marriage technically ended when she died, you know the whole “Till death do you part” bit. So that does leave her free to pursue a new relationship with Mayberry.
15:59 Theory: Verosika knew about the break up through the crystal. She has a crystal as well and it could be possible to hear/locate anyone else who has one. She knew about the “apology tour” only minutes after Blitz told Stolas about it at the party.
Which, for Blitz, means:
He could find Barb!
I hate that fact they refuse to allow Stolas to admit he was wrong as well.
Apparently only Blitz was in the wrong and no one else
How do you know three not leading up to that?
@@Lunapink93we dont exactly but so far the show is portraying stolas as innocent to the average viewer- while blitzø is constantly told to fix his problems and hated on
The episode description says that Stolas isn't self-aware yet. Give him some time. He is clearly trying to understand what he did wrong during his song.
(But maybe it's all on me
For missing every sign and every glance and every turn
Maybe there's something here for us to glean
For you to teach and me to try and learn
What if I came on too strong?
What if I read this all wrong?
What if we just don't belong?
All this what if, what if, what if, what if, what if, what if
Why, why, why, why why why, makes me burn!)
He was drunk. It’s setting up that the show will handle it in the future
I loved this episode, but it bothers me SO MUCH that after an entire season of Stolas blatantly treating Blitz like an object, the narrative bends over backwards to say ONLY BLITZ was responsible for their relationship imploding.
His "Itty bitty Imp/Impish Little Plaything nicknames? His constant dirty talk? Using his Blitzy nickname despite Blitz making it VERY CLEAR he did NOT like it? The infamous moment where he hides his face at Ozzie's? That was all Stolas.
Yes, what Blitz said to him was hurtful, but he only felt the need to say that because Stolas had given him EVERY reason to think that he didn't care about him beyond sex, yet the episode refused to acknowledge that ONCE. It's not only blatant victim blaming, but it completely goes against Stolas' behavior in the last episode where he wanted to give him a choice. He comes off as less as one of many of Blitz's scorned lovers than as acting like a child because he didn't get the answer he wanted to hear and couldn't keep using their dynamic as a crutch to avoid his issues.
Exactly!!
I actually don’t think they’re saying that at all. It seems to me like they’re finally preparing to stop giving Blitzo shit
Ngl I fail to understand how people are saying victim blaming as if Blitz was the only one wronged in the situation. What I’m hoping is that the focus on how Blitz was wrong and then it’ll be Stolas’s turn to be put in the hot seat so he can answer to what he’s done too.
Stolas definitely has looked down on Blitz but the argument against Stolas shouldn’t be that Blitz is borderline faultless. Blitz is the one that sought to steal from him and resorted to seducing Stolas in order to get his grimoire. Blitz could’ve made off with the book but felt bad after Stolas revealed he was happy to feel wanted by his first friend, but Blitz relented anyway even though it was wrong.
Stolas capitalized on that, I’m thinking the relationship started off as FWB in the hopes it would grow into more than just that, and when the rose tinted glasses were slapped off Stolas’s face, he regretted it and wanted it to change. Obviously his approach was horrible. And the only thing he really admitted was wrong was the dynamic of their relationship. But this isn’t an opening to act like Blitzo is faultless. And he’s not helping his case that instead of taking the time he screeched about needing to sort his feelings he proceeded to bother Stolas again with the sex shit. Neither of them are perfect and they’re both to blame for the result of their relationship… if you can even call it one.
congratulations on being yet another person to not understand the shows narrative.
Blitzo MADE their relationship about sex, when Stolas tried to make this about feeling multiple times, Blitzo instantly rejected the idea and made it about sex because he's scared of his own feelings.
Stolas was playing into that whole horny lover thing because thats the energy Blitzo brought into the relationshpip.
So Blitzo literally took advantage of someone who was sheltered as hell and had no experience in romance and then cries victim when the sheltered kid fell in love with him.
Thats what happens when you're dishonest in relationship, blitzo wore a mask all the time.
Stolas wore a mask with the whole horny act too and when he tried to take that mask off and saw that it didnt work, Blitzo blew up.
Their relationship is dysfunctional BECAUSE Blitzo refuses to talk to Stolas and actually open up. If they sat down and talked, he'd have understood.
But at this point the relationship is way too damaged to recover in any way.
@@SynimoLiterally the only bad thing Blitz did was steal the book. He made a mistake of pity fucking the owl. Then he got coersed into sex, fetishized and dehumanized. And now people are trying to invent a reason why the person who coersed him into sex is the victim because Blitz didn't forget being dehumanized.
During Verosika and Blitz’s chat I just kept thinking about what her reaction would have been if Stolas has disclosed the details of their breakup. What do you mean he keeps trying to talk to you? What do you mean he chased after you? He’s been coming back to your house every day for how long?!?
Because it seemed to me like the exact opposite reaction to Verosika and the others. Even if it was in that incredibly messed up way only Blitz can manage
I'm...Actually with you on Verosika and Blitzø. Between House of Asmodeus, and Apology Tour, we've gotten the hint that she actually legitimately did love Blitzø in a deep way, and has been left deeply hateful as a response to his abandonment. But also seeing her actually open back up and unpack that he hates himself more than anyone at the party, and still show care for him in spite of everything....Damn do I want them to at least be friends. The dichotomy there is....Cool as hell, really.
This episode felt like victim blaming yet also deserved blaming at the exact same time.
By the way, tell me I'm not the only one who noticed how Stolas just completely drops his accent during his song.
Yeah but I just felt uncomfortable the whole episode
Fair, I immediately noticed it and it rubbed me the wrong way. I also feel like verosika wasn't her usual self. She was way to upbeat and not as bad ass
I definitely feel that, like we knew Blitzø made a lot of mistakes so it’s not like we didn’t need this episode but also Stolas hasn’t had to take accountability and the only times his actions have been questioned it was he neglect of Octavia and I feel like we’re just gonna get more of that.
@@dbee1413 you explained the feeling i got about verosika in this ep so well😭😭😭😭
@@ItzMuffinzz that's true Stolas isn't owning up to his own mistakes
Verosika was already my queen, but this episode made her my emperess.
All hail Verosika!
Verosika our beloved!
Didn't she SA moxie 😥
@@lenaystewart-springer7239exactly ew
@@falconeshield VEROSIKAAA!!!
To be fair,the way the story is set up,it’d be hard to acknowledge that Stolas is being a hypocrite. He’s put himself -intentionally- into a position where everyone around him hates Blitzo and will make him feel like he’s in the right. I also feel like Blitzo perhaps should have waited a few days for everything to settle for both of them so they could talk it out like adults. By going in immediately the next day so heavy handed when Stolas is making it very clear he doesn’t want to talk,he basically was always going to be met with a sarcastic catty response. I think the lack of acknowledgment isn’t necessarily a story issue in this particular episode because of the way it’s set up. It will be an issue if they keep doing it
it had been a few days.
There was comments under that video that has like “Omg I feel so bad for Stolas”, “Poor Stolas!”, “I’m happy for Stolas!”, “Yeah Blitzo needs to own up for hurting him!”
Like no. The show has a big issue with treating Stolas like a victim, when it is ALSO his fault for how their relationship went. Stolas made it a sexual transaction, Stolas was the one to be forcefully sensual, Stolas was the one to belittle Blitzo, and Stolas was the one to poorly bring up his feelings by terrifying Blitzo about the book first before explaining things.
This episode would have been good, without them treating Stolas like he’s a victim and he’s done no wrong or just “oh he misread and didn’t look between the lines.”
I think its not an issue... but done on purpose. I think the message is that there sometimes the dynamics arent clear on the surface and that we all are able to root someone who turns out not to be that great after all. But I love that about the show. That the characters are ambigous. And that people hurt others even if they don't intend to.
Stolas misstreatment of Blitz IS a classist one. He completly isnt aware of the devastating privileges he has, and that no matter how much he "doenst look down on imps" conciously, the reality they are living in, doesnt just vanish because of that. And I hope really THAT will be the message.
I trust that Vivzie and the others are aware about that dynamic. Or at least I hope so. We will see. If they are, it's a good setup leading to this point. I mean we can't say for sure.
Stolas is treated as a victim, because he doesnt realize the class dynamics... and Blitz does, but of course doesnt really get through to the very person who is offended by him. And yeah, other characters don't do that cause... reality? Yet. I'm wainting for some characters to idk, be a little more sensitive to class issues.
@@Alalea17 Yeah that part I get, but I just wish they nudged that into the narrative some more. Maybe they’re trying to be subtle with their nuance, but I’d argue they’re being TOO subtle by that point. Stolas’ ignorance can be a great plot point but… they barely even get into it, Blitzø quite literally shouts it at him and I guess it feels like it’s undermined?
I hope in the later episodes they can actually talk about it in a writing standpoint, because that really gives nuance and perspective on BOTH parties.
Even so, doesn’t stop people from completely misreading the situation and treating like Stolas is an innocent baby boy owl who didn’t do anything wrong. An example being: “Blitzø is an abuser, and Stolas needed to overcome his love for him because he’s been accommodated with abuse and mistreatment.”
Real comment by the way.
And it’s just. Can people have nuance and understanding PLEASE?? Blitzø didn’t abuse Stolas. Not that we have seen or to the level people assume it as. Stolas did wrong, but he’s not an inherent victim to Blitz, he’s a victim to classism and his upbringing. Such a big difference, and not a lot of people get it. I agree with your perspective too by the way, but a lot of people seem to miss this whole thing when it comes to the both of them.
Helluva Boss has _never_ treated Stolas like "the" victim; the closest we've gotten is when he was a child and with Stella.
"Stolas is the victim" is a very surface-level take, but from the very beginning of the series we've seen how profoundly flawed Stolas is, and how he and Blitzø are both the same in that regard.
Hell, this episode alone showed Stolas being more in the wrong than Blitzø.
Please illustrate one moment where they showed Stolas as being the _victim_ in this episode. Just one.
@@sky-trevishere9638They will, but it's a 20 min show. Stolas will get his dressing down in time.
@@sandrabaulch Yeah, hope it goes well!
This is just a gay telenovela masacarding as an adult comedy
Stolas: "why wont you love me Blitzojandro"
Me: thats the mood Stolasbriela
Eventualy this two will reconsiliate after some time and it will be beutifull and will cry and..., yep this just a telenovela, My HelluvaNovela
Oh Happy Month Btw
Oh Stella would cook up a telenovela
That's pretty funny
i hope to see more comments of yours you funny asf!
David Lynch said about Twin Peaks: "No no no, it IS a soap opera!"
Yk that would explain why I find this show so entertaining
Yeah because Stolas who set up the s*xual deal between him and Blitzø TOTALLY isn’t the one at fault for making Blitzø look at it as purely that
It’s like Viv wants both of them to be flawed but forgets that in order for that to work, both need to be reprimanded for their actions
She probably really loves Stolas but hates Blitz (I’m just guessing here)
This is why I hate Stolas and his "you only think about sex" like hello who is the one who set up the deal and completely discarded his love for just some sexy imp
I seem to recall Blitzo literally seducing Stolas to steal his book. And its not like Stolas can allow Blitzo to keep it forever when he needs it for his own work.
Blitzo got himself trapped due to his own lack of foresight
I do think it's going to come. If you read the episode description, it says that Stolas isn't self-aware yet. It just means that it is going to happen in the future. Give it time.
@@montserratmarroquin400 he wasn't an imp. He was an incubus. Blitz literally gave him approval to go.
There is a warning in the episode description, which says something about Stolas being oblivious, so it seems that he will have to deal with his issues later in the series.
Totally agree with everything you said!! It feels like the show is gaslighting the audience into siding with Stolas time after time again, which is very frustrating... ALSO Verosika and Blitz are sooo interesting to me, I wish we had more scenes with the two of them together
OFF TOPIC, BUT CAN WE TALK ABOUT HOW BLITZØS EYES ARE ANIMATED?! THEY ARE JUST SO EXPRESSIVE AND FILLED WITH EMOTION ITS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING
I also love Stolas - even without pupils/irises 90% of the time, he is so expressive.
And Blitz's tail during this episode! Just... So cool.
The animators absolutely slay the attention to detail
I like more the whole head, I don’t know he looks so good in all angles
Remember how Stolas was like injured and in the hospital?
What happened to that? It felt like that plot point was disregarded until now.
Omg I’m glad I’m not the only one, it was treated as such a big deal then..stolas was just fine?
@@ohimaia8496yes
Blitz never showed up... And it seems pretty clear that is part of what led to this breakup and Stola's resentment.
Stolas felt abandoned, he was an emotional mess after his divorce, he feels completely alone, desperate to NOT feel alone, which leads to an unhealthy obsession with the idea of Blitz and what they could have in a rom-com way.
So yeah honestly... Probably getting an honest to god break from each other and Stolas being given time to sort out all of these other issues he has is probably a good thing for him.
He still has the wound bandaged up in Full Moon, but that's all we saw come of it so far
I'm surprised Stolas never asked why Blitz didn't show up. I know Blitz hates vulnerability, but if Stolas had asked, I wonder how Blitz would have reacted. It would not even have been a huge reveal of Stolas' feelings, just a little "Did you not visit because you don't care?"
Love the juxtaposition between verosika saying "it starts with...good for him, hope he gets laid"
And Charlie "it starts with soorryyy~" 😂
Season 2 has really hammered it home that Stolitz is a dysfunctional relationship.
A major issue here is how Blitzø caused problems that could’ve otherwise been avoided. Blitzø *could’ve* told Stolas about saving him from Striker back during the Harvest Moon Festival, and *could’ve* told Stolas that he had important business in the Sloth ring the day Stolas was taken.
It may not have fixed things completely, but it would’ve eased the pain and distrust of it all.
Blitzø suffers from high cases of low self-esteem, self-worth and very drastic and severe miscommunication issues and a lack of honesty, leading to him taking the easy way out on everything just to get away.
Now, combine that with Stolas and things like his depresso mood, ‘drink away the pain’ mentality, and unchecked hypocrisy, and you have a dysfunctional pair.
I have a feeling we’ll see the spotlight be put on Stolas come Sinsmas, since that episode will be purely about confronting Stolas and him going on trial for divorcing Stella, and Blitzø will likely be roped in due to involvement.
But blitzo did specifically tell stolas that he was in sloth, why he was there, and why being there was so important. The first one was definitely a fuck up on his part but the second was well communicated for once
Something I would love if if Verosika and Stolas are hanging out after the party, Stolas is talking about their relationship and accidentally talks about the shit he put Blitzø through and Verosika is speechless for a moment only to say "that... that's fucked up"
EDIT: 439 LIKES HOLY HECK!!! THIS IS BLOWING UP!!!
Exactly! The way that everyone blindly supports Stolas at the party makes sense, but it’s just so, so frustrating! They all assume that he’s in the right because they’ve all been heartbroken by Blitzø (Except Dennis) and they think that since Stolas is there, he must be the victim. It makes narrative sense, yes, but it’s so hard to watch! It’s bad enough that Stolas has deemed himself the victim, but seeing other characters do it as well is just so infuriating! I just really, really want to see someone hold Stolas accountable for his actions. (Ozzie maybe?)
@@Writingthisat3am that would be a great scene!
@Writingthisat3am I would love for Ozzie to call Stolas out, that'd be very interesting and nice to see something more genuine and heartfelt between the two following the Ozzie's situation in S1
Yes, if they know what really happened how will react?. Like yes they hate Blitz the way he treated them but everything was consent (in the exes case). In Stolas's case he literally forced him to be with him which is worst. Verosika will think he needs a apology as well.
AS@@awesomeziza
Here's the thing tho.
Did everybody forget that Blitz hasn't been as horrible as Stolas claimed? Not just that, but also. Everybody forgets that Blitz wasn't even his real friend. Stolas's father bought blitz for his birthday.
Stolas started this whole "relationship", then declared himself as a victim, when Blitz struggled to communicate properly.
Blitz having to constantly apologize to his long time slave master really rubs me the wrong way.
To be fair, do we know if he even knew that?
I mean, to be fair, Blitzø did take Stolas' grimoire after pushing him into having sex (or at least pretending to initiate sex so that he could steal the grimoire). I would have fully agreed with you if we didn't find out retroactively that Stolas didn't make the first move there.
Stolas was definitely wrong to go on to make it a transactional relationship, and I appreciate that the writers don't avoid criticizing him for that. His lack of self awareness that he set Blitzø up to have no other choice is probably the biggest factor in why they never really had a mutually loving relationship. So beyond Blitzø apologizing for not taking Stolas' feelings seriously, there's really nothing left for Blitzø to make up for (at least to Stolas). It's Stolas' turn next to apologize for establishing the quid pro quo relationship in the first place. Just giving Blitzø an out from needing to sleep with him isn't enough.
Stolas still needs to take accountability (and address his classism), but it seems to me that some dialogue suggests the story is headed that way. Hopefully we see more growth on Stolas' part, though I think they may take their time to fully address his flaws.
From what stolas sees blitzo too his confession and mocked him over it... like stella mocks him. He has tough feathers to deal with stella but blitzo bypasses his defenses cause he cares what he has to say.
He'd have prefered a rejection over what biltzo gave him. he was prepared to get a boyfriend or lose a lover, not to be mocked and degraded.
EXACTLY 👆 why is everyone so blind abt it!!!
1:05 yes! not sure if you noticed but in the description for the apology tour ep, it says "stolas still not quite being self aware enough at times." so I am HOPEFUL that we're gonna get him realizing/owning up to what he's done (still worried I'm gonna be disappointed tho😭)
What I’ve noticed is this show tends to be told in 3rd person limited. Each episode focuses on the POV of 1 character and hints at things for others that get ignored if the focusing character doesn’t pick up on it
Being autistic really hurts when i see people blaming blitzo for everything. Blitz needs time to digest information. Blitz missunderstands alot. These are both issues for autistic people and the worst thjng to happen to them is someone like Stolas who doesnt tell you how it is, is very indirect and refuse to see blitz for more than surface level. Blitz constantly breaks his facade and stollas doesnt see that. He is too self absorbed to understand why Blitz act the way he does. Blitz tried to apologize twice and stolas keeps cutting him off. Feeding into blitz self hatred and justification
I’m in the process of getting diagnosed and while that is true,I also feel like maybe you give the other person time to cool off? Going right back in the next morning with the plan of seducing them instead of talking through your problems is just about the dumbest thing you could possibly do in that situation. So of course Blitz did it. In my fairly limited experience, giving yourself and the other person a day or two to cool off before talking tends to work better
Blitz needs to respect boundaries, and Stolas has been beating around the bush of this conversation pretty hard to try to avoid the confrontation that needs to happen.
One where BOTH apologize because Stolas DID set this up for himself to fail every step of the way here.
And Blitz can't help but fail, especially at communicating honestly and intimately.
They're BOTH ignoring eachother's limitations in these conversations, BUT Stolas is ultimately the one with more maturity and power here.
Honestly I do think tho that they need some time apart to grow if they want this relationship to work out as a healthy end-game.
*_NEITHER can communicate worth a f*ck rn._*
@@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty I’d agree. That’s why I don’t mind this episode glossing over Stolas’ issues. I’d rather each get their own episode to learn and grow than both at the same time. It also makes sense,Stolas is hurting so of course he’s not going to be reasonable and he was invited to a party all about justifying his feelings and making him feel like he’s in the right. We literally see Verosika and Tex correcting him in the song “it’s not your fault,he sucks”. While that’s good for Blitz,it also means Stolas is further away from where he needs to be. Which sets up a fun episode in the future where Blitz has grown and may even be ready but Stolas still has growing to do
I needed that thank you!!
Blitz literally laid all of his insecurities out for all of hell to see and Stolas turned around and sneered at him. Like Stolas is so up his own asshole he can't see shit.
To me Stolas has baby's first relationship issues: all someone else's fault, did everything, lack of self-reflection, etc.
although the description of the episode says that stolas lacks some self awareness it would be great to see a little hint to his wrong doings more, my man was freak talking blitzo in the middle of a job
If Stolas doesn't get a big "You fucked up, you need to realize that, or it's gonna bite you in the ass" episode, then this one was kicking a beaten horse for the hell of it. If Stolas DOES, then this is good setting up on the Blitz side of things. In a vacuum this is a good episode. In context, we'll see if they stick the landing. Because Blitz needed some tough love and a reality check... But so do most of the cast at this point, in one way or another
In my opinion the show seems to be afraid of portraying stolas in a bad light, this happened as soon as it was revealed that stella was abusive, the show is desptretely bending over backwards to keep stolas innocent but tis breaking its back as it does so
I don't think so. The description of the episode says that Stolas isn't self-aware yet and that more apologies are to come.
The main part of Stolas song was him trying to understand what HE did wrong.
@@owltree_sbut they don’t just do that in his relationship with Blitz but also his relationship with everyone else in the show. Stolas is always the victim and when he does mess up it’s because he meant well and yada yada trauma.
@@knowdaqueen177 I think that the statement applies to all of helluva's main characters. Stolas is trying to figure things out. He wants to learn and grow. He is not trying to evade responsibility. He just needs time to process before he can sincerely apologise back.
Quoting his lyrics-
But maybe it's all on me
For missing every sign and every glance and every turn
Maybe there's something here for us to glean
For you to teach and me to try and learn
What if I came on too strong?
What if I read this all wrong?
What if we just don't belong?
All this what if, what if, what if, what if, what if, what if
Why, why, why, why why why, makes me burn!
@@owltree_s yea I heard the song but I’m not talking about Stolas the character I’m referring to how the writers have been handling Stolas throughout the season. The way he’s written always makes him the victim in every way. I’m actually kind of sick of Stolas being this innocent honey bun that doesn’t know any better and I can’t really agree with Blitz’ constant dog piling when Stolas hasn’t had to be accountable for anything. Stolas is also the worst of the two of them simply from the gross power imbalance but so far the show has handled that concept with kid gloves.
@@knowdaqueen177 I think an important part of Stolas' character is that he doesn't actually have bad intentions. Stolas while in the past was blissfully unaware of their power dynamic, with TIME is clearly also willing to learn an grow past it. I do think that we will see properly accountability taken by Stolas.
Blitz's issues unrelated to Stolas (the people he has hurt in the past), should be treated as such. Blitz was a person before Stolas was even a part of his life.
14:40 If I had a nickel for every time that Viv made a Hellaverse crack ship canon, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's *crazy* that it happened twice!
Maybe its just me overthinking. But from this I feel that Verosika, Stolas, and to a somewhat lesser extent Fizz. Know how Blitz spirals and know how to bring him back or aim his outbursts after watching this episode. Verosika seemed to instantly know what blitz was going to do and started talking him out of it. Stolas knows how to pull Blitz out of the self-deprecation even when drunk. Fizz back in his two episodes seemed to understand how to aim blitz’s overprotective nature.
In whole what I’m trying to say is, the people who blitz hurt the most are in turn the ones that understand how damaged he is. Which feels kind of ironic and also puts this trio in a amazing light for me. Even to the point where they can get away with calling him Blitzø and he doesn’t always correct then. It shows how much those three mean to him and how highly he holds their opinions.
This episode was more like "The Cameo Tour". I legit spent the whole episode counting all the cameos instead of watching the episode
I was kinda disappointed that Barbie wasn’t part of the apology tour, looks like Viv forgot about her.
Same 😂😂
@@EditorHarlequinIt's not like Barbie will ever forgive Blitz anyway.😞
@@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982 Probably. Can’t blame her if she doesn’t, and it’s not like it’d change things, but if there’s someone Blitzø owes a HUGE apology to, it’s Barbie.
@@EditorHarlequinthey’re probably saving that up
I like to think that Octavia will tell her dad about his problems and issues, since Stolas seems to lack acknowledging his own issues.
The reason I think the show won’t gloss over STOLAS’S own shortcomings, is that Vizie herself tweeted that he’s in his own head and not entirely listening, and actually in the description of Apology Tour, she said he’s “not quite being self aware enough”, so they’re obviously aware that he’s not entirely right
assuming Stolas WILL have an episode focused on his flaws and missteps, i am really happy Blitz is being fully held accountable because even though i think he's more willing to work things out with Stolas, he speaks abusivley to MULTIBLE people like his own friends not just his ex's....
I don't think the party was just for Blitzø's exes, as much as it's advertized as such.
Mostly because Dennis, DENNIS! is there. The two just kissed for like what? a minute? before he got rejected.
So it's a party for anyone who has any kind of petty(or not) grudge against him.
Like i get Blitzø is awful but it seems a bit unfair too
But i'm glad Verosika did give him the opportunity to speak
Maybe that's part of all the hate on dennis there are two factions and the party the mildly wronged and the heartbroken.
I think there 100% should be an episode calling out Stolas like this for Blitz.
HOWEVER this episode finally gave Blitz the accountability session I have been begging for for a very long time. Because I am over this whole toxic and abusive song and dance between Blitz and Stolas and steps need to be taken to actually give them the character development needed to make this ship worth people’s time again. Because right now, I’m tired of them. I’m glad they’re broken up and they need to actually sort their shit out and start changing. This episode was a step in the right direction for that.
Well in the storyboard Via sings a reprise of you will be okay so I'm guessing she will get mad at him too
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yeah, this kinda makes the show a little exhuasting to watch. I love it, but it does get tiring. I kinda wish it was focused on the killing of people with a side of feels.
@@rappingbeaniedog347yeah when I first started watching it was because I loved the concept of the pilot, only for the show to completely abandon that. Which is fine I guess, but I wish it stayed centered around the job more
@@user-tw4no3db8v I'm really fucking worried about that, though, because the same storyboard leak shows her getting angry because Stolas takes antidepressants and she believes that he takes them because of her.
Like, what the fuck? Stolas has done a shitton of actually bad shit worth calling out, and this is what they go in on? It's 100% going to be another Stolas pity party.
Fuck that noise, Octavia deserves to be able to call out Stolas for the shit he's done. Stolas deserves to be put through the ringer for the shit he's done, same as Blitz. Not this stupid misunderstanding bullshit that's designed so people can pity Stolas more.
15:32 something you missed about the background music, when stolas is breaking down while talking to blitz, when blitz reaches his hand to comfort him then changes his mind, the music says “don’t touch the pretty thing”
14:25 my mouth literally dropped when I saw them in the same house together.
honestly, probably a hot take. but i don't think Blitz even needs to apologize to Stolas, Stolas is the one that needs to apologize, yes they're both bad, Blitz fucked up a lot, he should apologize to others like Verosika, which was a great scene imo. but with Stolitz, it's all on Stolas, he started this dynamic, he made it all about sex, he treated him like a plaything, and now here is he acting like a little heartbroken baby "oh you always make it about sex :,(((" no YOU did that. plus just Stolas forgetting their power dynamic entirely? he has a lot to explain and apologize for, like his pettyness is fun, sassy Stolas is fun, but it's also very annoying because honestly i don't think he has any right to be doing that, he dumped the feelings thing on Blitz out of nowhere and then didn't even let him answer properly, i don't mind him being a huge hypocrite but i do hate how it's not acknowledged at all. i feel bad for Blitz honestly
Mm, that would be interesting, Blitz getting an apology then the other way around, that would be interesting
blitz started it, HE made the first move. he was the one that had sex with him in order to steal his grimoire, not stolas. he was the one that made the selfish move to even get this ball rolling in the first place. so yeah, he absolutely does need to apologize not just stolas like lmao what
@@lunariics yeah no shit, he needs that book for his bussiness, he literally needs it to live, he tried to steal it at first untill Stolas turned it into a deal, Stolas made their dynamic what it is and now he's complaining about it, Blitz literally had no choice since he needed his grimoire, he was just doing what he knew worked, he's not innocent by any means but the fact Stolas is acting like he didn't make the purely sexual deal is annoying, like Blitz is clearly very flawed and it's adressed properly and often, he said himself that he wants to get better. Stolas is just treated as this innocent baby that never did anything wrong and just wants love but Blitz won't give it or something, when that's literally not the case in the slightest, Stolas is equally if not more guilty considering their power dynamic and he's just constantly excused as if he never had a say in it when he literally had all the control and Blitz barely had a choice
@@lunariics uh, are you forgetting that whole thing started because Stolas began to flirt with him? You know that right?
@queenbee3561 Stolas was partly drunk from the Not Divorced party, and it's pretty obvious that he's just joking if you re-watch the episode, he then stops and sits down with Blitz to have a calm talk about how he's been and Blitz starts actively physically doing things to him while stolas is backing away--he doesn't stop seeming unsure until the bite.
I was right. Blitzo is the only one blamed for the break up, and Stolas is innocent. Why am I not surprised 😑
Not what happened but you have to pay attention to realize it 😌
@@47ratsinahoodieyeah it did. Only blitz calls out Stolas. Everyone else babies him. Tell me who called out Stolas in his attitude to blitz? I’ll wait cause I sure didn’t see anyone. Not even he acknowledges it
i mean there are still more episodes to come, and based on the trailer it seems that stolas will be confronted about his flaws. Just chiII guys and lets see where it goes. This episode was revolving around the party, which was full of people who blitzo hurt. So it makes sense why they would focus on blitzo's mistakes now, but then in a future episode with octavia they would focus on stolas
@@jknetwork6211in defense of the episode this is blitz story not stolas’ I’m half expecting him to get pumped and dumped by the guy at the party and pringles ends up calling him out
@@botanicalitus4194dude we gotta wait months for these episodes to come out. We are being chill we also got a right to criticize what we see. Criticize isn’t an attack on the show
Tbh this episode was nothing like I imagined it to be. I expected it to focus on Blitzø and Verosika with maybe Blitzø bumping into her and telling her about Stolas situation bc idk he is silly and has nobody else to vent to and she's like "bruh" and we'd see a flashback from their relationship, see how Blitzø messed up and she'd help him realise in some degree what mistakes he keeps repeating that lead to this crap.
I think one aspect that people often disregard is how imps are viewed in the hellaverse, they’re the bottom of the totem pole, used as sources of entertainment, how Stolas acted towards Blitz throughout most of the series is no exception, he treated him like a plaything, their whole situationship was based off of a transaction.Even without all the added trauma, Blitz coming to the conclusion that a literal all powerful, immortal demon prince wanted only sex and would never actually love him makes complete sense
If you pay attention to Stolas' song, you can actually see that he's trying to introspect and is getting close to realizing that he's at fault as well, but Verosika and Tex browbeat him into blaming everything on Blitz.
I also think Stolas was only _pretending_ to be petty about going to the party in order to piss off Blitz. I think his actual reason for going is exactly what he said it was, to be polite. That tracks because it not only suits his personality, but Stolas also wasn't being particularly petty to Blitz at the party. If anything, he was way more reluctant and avoidant.
Ya I liked when stolas said : Maybe there's somethin' here for us to glean
For you to teach, and me to try and learn. Like he knows blitz could teach him things from his perspective.
1. I really want a short on Martha and Mrs. Mayberry.
2. Stolas is a prince. His actions are going to be devastating to 2-3x the people Blitzo hurt.
3. I'm honestly scared for Octavia after the fallout.
Actually yeah now that you pointed that out I can see why people feel for Stolas more than Blitz. It's not just because Blitz slept and dated many people but it's also because, well, he's an imp. Imp's are indeed look down on in their society. Meanwhile, we have Stolas. A goetic demon and prince. Someone of royalty. Of course Verosika and the rest of them would see him as innocent.
@@AngelicZelda444 also, they were in a whole party about hating Blitzo
I don’t think the party is just for blitzøs exes, I think it’s just anyone who hates him
That makes way more sense
I do like his line in the song
“Maybe there's somethin' here for us to glean
For you to teach, and me to try and learn”
Like it shows he knows it’s not all on blitz and he can teach him to be better or there’s things he doesn’t understand that blitz could teach him.
Vivizie struggles making “bad”/evil characters with flaws.
Examples of this is:
Lucifer, and Stolas (idk any other characters but lmk if there’s more).
Lucifer and Stolas in their respective pilots are painted as evil or bad.
But once Vivzie started to grow warm to them, she immediately wrote off their flaws as bad characters. With “they’re trying” “they had good intentions” “there’s worse people” type of thing. Basically mass retconning or rewriting just because she or others find them attractive or is a fan favourite
it reminds me of what happened w/ eclipsa and globgor in star vs. I hate to dunk on that show bc everyone does so constantly but they were both hyped up as so evil and when they were properly introduced it basically amounted to "eclipsa was branded as evil bc she fell in love w/ a monster and likes creepy things, and globgor was branded evil bc he's a monster. and mewmans be racist" even tho they confirmed globgor ate someone they only said "it was more complicated than that" and didn't elaborate bc they wanted to make them a wholesome, unfairly persecuted couple
Eh not really. Her themeing means there isn't mcuh in the way of absolutes in the story. Evil is actions not natuer, and its rare for actions to be pure evil. There is a source to something somewhere, a starting point.
Vivzie raelized that stolas being that outright aggressive wouldn't work for her vision so she changed thigns.
Gotta remember how shitty Adam was a preson but its likely there Is a source.... He had someoen who cried for his passing.
@@taddad2641Lute was prob his only friend, so it makes sense she would mourn him,
Adam is toxic and bitter because Lucifer came in and charmed Lillith AND Eve, the show intro paints Adam as the “jerk that ruined his relationships and wants to be controlling to women” yeah he’s pretty flawed, but I’m really hoping he was more than this “frat misogynist dudebro with a god complex”
He’s literally my favorite character!
@@tiablue9106 In that case it was a very purposeful subversion of expectations. The fact that we're introduced to the couple as "big bad scary evil people" plays in to the racist propaganda prevalent in Mewni regarding monsters and people who commit the crime of loving them. As the audience we bought into the propaganda without even realizing it. That's what makes their reveal as decent people that much more meaningful.
I absolutely disagree.
Valentino, Alastor, Crimson, Adam, Stella, Mammon-those are just some off the top of my head.
Those are all irredeemable, abusive, horrific monsters-there are no sympathetic traits to any of them in any way whatsoever.
Sometimes you may be able to understand _why_ they are a certain way, and Vivzie does an excellent job in making them a little more well-rounded, but they are all utter evil.
Alastor is by far the worst offender, by the way. The show did a great job of faking us out, but by the end of the season we knew him for what he truly was.
And Valentino is easily the most despicable of them all, because so many people IRL act the way he does.
(Sidenote: Jax from Digital Circus still cracks me up, with how hard the fanbase turned on him haha. Word of God is that he's Chaotic Evil, and he's only going to become worse as the series goes on)
Unpopular opinion but stolitz was never my fav ship in this show but now I don’t care for it anymore cause stolas refuses to acknowledge his own problems in his relationship with blitz. This is why fitz x ozzie is the best ship in the series 🏃♂️
Yea
He was becoming slightly self-aware when in the song he questions if he read it all wrong or pushed on too much and looks back at the moments in the show when he flirted with Blitz in Loo loo land and kissed him in truth seakers after agreeing to have sex with Blitz as Blitz wanted to pay him off in that moment. I think that Stolas will have his own episode in the future to fix his problems and mistakes and I am guessing that it may be sinsmas.
We share the option so Don't worry
Stolas is still in the process of understanding their situation. The main part of his song focuses on what he thinks HE might have done wrong
But maybe it's all on me
For missing every sign and every glance and every turn
Maybe there's something here for us to glean
For you to teach and me to try and learn
What if I came on too strong?
What if I read this all wrong?
What if we just don't belong?
All this what if, what if, what if, what if, what if, what if
Why, why, why, why why why, makes me burn!
moxxie and millie are good too 🥺
apology tour feels more like a part 1 of the aftermath of full moon. blitz got his you f***ed up episode. now we need a you f***ed up episode for stolas as well. i think i'll reserve my judgement until then. but i enjoyed the episode a lot.
edit: i LOVE what they did with verosika this episode. it's so cool seeing a different side of her character.
I basically high-fived you through the screen when you said your last Stolas video was the *nice* draft.
I LOVE STOLAS, but if the story doesn’t address it, I’m also ready to read him to FILTH.
I feel like Verosika and Blitzø’s talk finally gave them closure, especially for Verosika. Her being there and telling Blitzø the first step to betterment thing in a genuine way was 🤌 chef’s kiss, her giving him some cake after wards aswell, just- Yes. He needed someone to say that to him softly and gently. If she yelled it, he would’ve probably eminently mute out the things she was saying(and would lash out back)
I have a HUGE thing on needing things to be fair. So seeing nearly every person I come across in this fandom being like; “ooooh, poor baby Stolas, why is Blitzø being so mean to him ÓmÒ 😭😭😭” just makes me wanna screech. To say I’m glad Sarcastic Chorus addresses the imbalance in this would be a understatement 🫠
The fanon to canon gag was so perfect 😭😭
"I will say that shit that will actually be worth getting mad about." I feel so much on the same page as you with this, and the whole relationship as a whole. Pointing all these issues out, the fairly one-sided reactions to the relationshp, and how both of them are shitty in their own ways while currently only Blitz is getting the flack; its done from a point of love and care for the show, the story, the characters, and the hope for their relationship, and the potential it all has and hopefully is building towards.
A lot of what you said here helped me more solidify my feelings on this episode (aside than from just an enjoyment standpoint it was great and hilarious). The dissonance bit is what I realize i was feeling nearly the entire time, so much felt, out of place, one-sided, and down right unfair: particularly how it felt that it was almost saying Blitzo was in the 'wrong' for rejecting other's declarations of love; which is anyone's right to and obligation to if they don't reciprocate, until Verosika comes in and mentions its about HOW he rejected them. (Still though, it only reinforced to me that Blitz has always been upfront about his relationships and what they are, but its others who end up wanting to change the relationship without actually getting to truly know/understand Blitz0).
Anyways, not to ramble on too long, I really feel the dissonance bit sets this episode up to be potentially a really good and meaningful one, but in a way the whole episode is filler, in a rarely meant good way. A downtime if you will after the massive ending spike of Full Moon, its back to shitting on Blitz but with some small but honest growth for him while Stolas goes back to being spoiled and coddled and starting another fuck/relationship session while drunk. But think of this as filler, its a nice calm before the storm, and as you said and I truly feel, what comes in the rest of the season will end up coming back to define how this episode truly feels.
The description of the episode in plain text says "Stolas still not quite being self aware enough at times"
I think its safe to say that Stolas' issues will be addressed for sure. The writing crew is very aware of it clearly. But maybe next season to give Blitz's growth the highlight for this season.
Also i dont want to spoil. Read with slight caution:
I came across leaked story boards (assuming they are legit. Many say they are) for one of the future episodes...safe to say Stolas has not hit rock bottom just yet and its going to get much worse for him on account of his own behaviours...
Ugh I'm so excited to see what happens
He's also very drunk in this episode, like how he was when Blitz and he hooked up first. Stolas needs to see if he really loves Blitz or Blitz has a point. Cause if he's gonna hook up regularly with pretty Blitz then he might have an imp fetish.
@@falconeshield Drunk and at a party where everyone's predispositioned to root for him against Blitz, particularly actually shown when he starts to see where he might've gone wrong in the middle of his song, just for the immediate response to be "nah, you're fiiiiiine, he's just an asshole!"
I agree and also I feel like in the song, for the mirror scene part of him is somewhat acknowledging he has a part to play in this too. Maybe it’s just me but I don’t think the show is playing it out like he is just ignoring his own problems BUT ALSO (just adding this on. Not an argument) at the same time I don’t feel like it’s victim blaming. Blitz is being an ass and yes this was set up bad on stolas’ end and it’s not okay and he knows it, Blitz is also yelling at him and stuff like that. He has no reason to do all of that. That gay comment hurt my feelings and was super petty of him and was not cool.
Aware my axx, look at what the 2 Episodes have done, if they cared, it would have been done already but they don't do it, I don't need to wait for more episodes to recognize a serious problem with the writers & the things that happen quickly.
I do really hope Stolas gets his "oh no I've majorly fucked up" moment as well.
Good to have Blitz get his and finally be forced to look in a mirror properly, but I can definitely hope Stolas gets his turn in front of the mirror as well.
I think via will hold him accountable
Stolas lacks humility and Blitz lacks empathy... it's so frustrating as stolas is slowly turning into one of my least fave character because of the lack of his own growth...
I personally think Blitzø ignoring the fight and thinking it would have just resolved itself is a pretty believable response for his character who has fearful avoidant attachment styles.. it’s my husband’s attachment styles and he straight up pretends our fights didn’t happen and I have to redirect so that we actually deal with the issue and don’t just sweep it under the rug… I hope that we can go into stolas’s anxious attachment style.. because they’re both bad in their own right stolas is constantly chasing after something he wants and Blitz is constantly running from something that he wants because he thinks it will hurt less to leave first both boys are really messed up and could use a few therapy sessions
Gotta say, with the amount of exes at the party, can we really blame Blitz for only thinking about sex? Because there’s no way Blitz actually dates all of those people; fucking Dennis is there and all they did was make make-out.
Edit: Glad I wasn’t the only one confused by Dennis’s appearance. Loved the joke, but it made the overall vibe of the party less serious.
I mean the whole party is a bit exaggerated isn't it? It's not possible to have this many exes that cared about you so much that they dedicate every halloween to hating you
This is like Helluva Boss’ version of “No SpongeBob Day”
Most of them are hook ups and one night stands for sure. But maybe they wanted more and he pushed them away. My guess with Dennis tho is blitzø ended up having a regrettable hook up with him later off-screen lol
@@sovyenn Well not ikf you think about how long these guys live. Blitzo is at least a couple of centuries old. If he's opnly been this vehemont and active for the last couple of decades, that is sitll a lot fo time.
@@taddad2641 yea no, both blitzo and stolas are around 35
I can definitely agree with you that Stolas should also admit to the things he’s been doing wrong as well, but I wasn’t really expecting them to tackle that this episode anywayI tempered my expectations to enjoy the episode as it was not expecting anything from it while paying attention to what was happening. I am excited for when Stolas and Blitzø both have recognized their flaws and the relationship with Blitzø trying to go after what he wants and Stolas tempering his expectations down to something more realistic
As much as id prefer waiting for this arc to finish to cover what "wasnt done" in these episodes to see whats coming in future installments and how it handles the rest of the conflicts, i do agree that Stolas's and Blitzø's avoidance of Stolas's hand in their fucked up dynamic is wayyy to underutilized. I do, however, feel that Blitzø is busy experiencing a lot of self-hatred, remorse, and worrying about the things he's done here to really focus on Stolas's hand in this, especially given that I think Blitzø has accepted that he needs to deal with his hand in this before tackling Stolas's. I also don't completely hate Stolas not bringing up his own side in the drunken conversation scene because the confirmation bias from the song alongside the alcohol would probably make him less prone to self reflecting in a clear and considerate way.
Now i DON'T know how I feel about the last scene from Full Moon being rehashed in the first scene of this one minus the issues on Stolas's end. I thought it'd pick up without them having seen each other in a while, and I feel like overly driving it home that Blitzø was in denial wasn't super necessary because they honestly couldve just done with showing his memey messages and the fact that Stolas wasnt responding to them. They really made Blitzø seem extra oblivious by having him try to talk to Stolas again even though it seemed like he already went thru his denial stage in the previous episode. I get that Blitzø is VERY dumb, but are we really supposed to accept that he didnt believe ANY of what Stolas said in the last episode? At all? Denial is a tough thing but i feel like he got the message pretty well and was just coming to terms with it by the end.
Tbh i think cutting out the entire first scene in Stolas's backyard where he says a lot of questionable things and just leaving the cattiness and pettiness to the ghosting and the party wouldve been a better way to pick up where Full Moon ended
Loona, Millie and Moxxie needs to give Blitzo an intervention.
And Stolas needs a therapist, and actually friends (COUGH TO THE MOTHERFUCKING COUGH) Vassago, Ozzie (and maybe Fizz)
Exactly!!
M and M aren't friends with Blitz though, they are just employed by him. He may stalk them outside of work, but they never invite him anywhere themselves, the one time he tries to arrange something they say no.
Loona is actively avoiding working through her issues with Blitz, so I do believe she would help help but only if he asked.
Fizz is his only actual friend, hopefully Fizz can help him (though Blitz having a one-sided crush on him could complicate that)
@@herstoryanimated M2x have bonded over the last while and someone needs to tell Blitzo he's being a dick and give him marriage counselling and there is only 2 people up for the job.
@@yasY0L0 I agree they have improved their relationship, but more of in a 'we hate our boss' to 'we kinda like our boss way'. I can see them discussing it, but not as an intentional intervention.
@@herstoryanimated I think it'll be a "with all due respect sir. WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST DO???" intervention
Not a "it'll get better intervention"
Like they really need to drill home the fact that Blitzo with both past and present mistakes can't keep avoiding them.
Give stolas his own fixing thing episode and apology tour will be my favorite I think. I know it has issues but I just love seeing blitz finally start healing
I think they're going to add that. It's just going to take a bit
he probably will, remember that line from octavia in the trailer? (i think it was "you dont love me, you only love him") that would be a great line in an episode where stolas has to face his problems, starting with trying to fix the relationship with his daughter, & then having to face the consequences of his actions from starting the whole grimoire arrangement. i agree that both stolas and blitz did some fucked up things, but i really think theyre gonna add in a "stolas fucked up ep", especially with all the fan backlash rn. plus, theres a part in his song that shows him (maybe) realizing that he was ffing toxic. maybe thats buildup for the stolas ep (hopefully)
@@seeleunit2000NO! Stop right there, good writing gets it done as soon as possible and in a good meaningful way, this show's writing is not that, stop taking your copium and accept it will not happen.
@@artistanthony1007no? Just because you don’t like that it didn’t get addressed already doesn’t mean it’s bad writing, hell it’s pretty realistic for someone who feels they’ve been wronged to not realize that their own actions have also contributed to what happened immediately
@@artistanthony1007 oh yeah because peoples issues always get solved overnight it's so unrealistic when healing and change actually takes time right
The most frustrating thing about this show is that Brandon Rogers is amazing at making shows that start as absurd, crude comedy starring despicable caricatures of the worst humans imaginable, then making you genuinely empathize with them by the end of it, and even displaying genuinely heartfelt moments without losing the ridiculousness of it all. To have him on as just a voice actor feels like such a waste of talent.
You should talk about how Stolas felt uncomfortable after Blitzo talked to him the same way he did back in Loo Loo Land , they are seriously framing him as a hypocrite that need to own his mistakes , the entire song is about that but like you said are they saving this development for him in a later episodes.
I feel like this episode is a needed episode but I feel like there's one part missing (having someone from Stolas' environment congratulate him on dumping the 'low class" or even have Stolas look at how he treats his butler and even have a small conversation with him which can mirror "The Circus'.). I'm holding up out hope that an episode calls out Stolas and has him see how other Goetia treat imps. Then both of them share time apart and have a mature conversation.
yes, if this doesnt happen it would really feel off. But I'm still well spirited :3
I think Stolas actually... falling from his Goetia Status will maybe be the thing that lets him realize... And this could be ugly at first.
@@Alalea17 Andrealphus kicking Stolas out of Ars Goetia and force him to live with the imps might humble him. Just hoping it’s the outcome.
I expected a flashback focused on Blitzø and Verosika when they were a couple, or an insight of Verosika’s backstory before she even met him. We don’t get that, all we get is “Blitzo’s a shitty boyfriend, end of story.”
The episode shouldn't even be called "Apology Tour". It should be called "The College student party drama that I made to vent my terrible coping with a past relationship I had back in college that I STILL can't get over"
I doubt they'll gol that route. However, considering how complicated everything is is it going to take a while
As sarcastic chorus said, verosika isn't what made blitzo into blitz, she is just another wreck along the road, we wouldn't get a lot from a flashback.
I think we Can Do without. There's enough laid down for us to infer things were good until Blitz realized Verosika wanted more and he absolutely didn't (and has been a Jackass when ending stuff so he doesn't have to think about what would be needed to commit to the relationship with a famous talented artist he would envy to no end for the rest of his life). Quite different from the Stolitz situation, where Blitzø does Try to connect, actually knows he has feelings for Stolas, but KNOWS he isn't the sweet romcom guy Stolas claims he needs and just resolve in letting it go even if he really doesn't want to.
It’s not an apology tour. It’s a “Hate on Blitz instead of actual growth” club . Except for Veroskia
So many good points in this video! Stolas is starting to gain some self-awareness in this episode, but it still comes down hard on Blitz (and that's fine, he messed up, but I mean... Stolas needs to examine some of his more casual, implicit racism, so that's gonna be crucial in allowing Blitz to even feel fully safe/equal in any relationship between them already)
Besides the trailer for this season, I can't imagine that they're not going to do an episode where Stolas finally has to take accountability and make real, solid changes, since there's no way a team of writers, animators, voice actors, producers, everyone, could just go through lines like "Impish Little Plaything" consistently, and not fully realize what that's building up to, but yeah... fingers crossed that it isn't handled badly
I don't understand how Stolas can just go to a (mostly) Imp party in the human world and get wasted like he isn't constantly being almost killed or threatened since the beginning of the show
I feel that Stolas does indeed need to own up to his issues, but it sadly is on Blitz for the ship to move forward. Not because he did wrong, but because for them to work he does need to accept he can be loved. So it's not about him being "better" but their future still, unfortunately, rests on him.
Yes until blitz can love himself, he can't love anyone else
Honestly, the main reason I keep watching this show isn't for the Stolitz melodrama (I've grown to despise it, since it's consumed the entire show), but because I wanna see OCTAVIA call Stolas out.
She's his daughter, and yet he's ignored her on two separate occasions so he could either flirt with Blitzo or fight with Stella. He said he wouldn't abandon her for Blitzo, but it feels increasingly likely that he would do exactly that. Blitzo seems to completely dominate his mind considering that in Western Energy, all he would talk about is Blitzo. How Blitzo would come save him. How Blitzo is better than Striker. Blitzo, Blitzo, Blitzo. He only talks about Octavia when STRIKER brings her up, and still goes right back to talking about Blitzo afterwards. If the M&Ms hadn't shown up, Stolas' last words would've been about Blitzo, not his own daughter.
Then there are the rabid Stolitz shippers who claim Octavia isn't important and is "getting in the way" of her father's happiness. Like, no, Octavia should take priority over Blitzo in Stolas' life; she's his daughter. And all we've seen Stolas do so far is ignore and disappoint her.