A revelation just came to me. In the color of money after forest whittakers character hustles Paul Newman and Forrests character says" I want you to be real honest with me, do you think I need to lose a little weight?" And the laughs and walks away. takes on a whole new meaning. LMAO I learn something co every day! LOL 😂
Hi CJ, great story. Love your stories. Lol, offering someone the 2 ball. That is really cool. I remember reading that Nick Varner would sometimes give a player like 14-1, playing One Pocket. You beat him, giving him the 3 ball and the breaks. You were basically betting that he could not break, and run out to the 3 ball. And, then you would have given him the 2 ball, lol. Again, he would have to break, make a ball, and get shape on the 1, unless he made the 1 on the break, then he would have to get shape on his money ball. A guy at my home pool hall used to give players what he called, the Straw spot. Where he would all them to move the cue ball the length of a straw on any shot. Therefore, it was nearly impossible to play defense. I used to have to give the local players the 6 out and the breaks, to get them to play. This was on 8 foot Valleys though, which were super easy to play on.
@cjwiley1541 I read a cool story about SVB giving Corey Deuel the 5 ball, playing 9 or 10 ball, for the 1st prize cash money that Corey had just won in a big tournament, and SVB beat him with that spot. Pretty amazing, I thought. Not sure when this was though.
CJ looking at some of your old matches online lately, I want to ask what tips do you like now and how hard of a tip do you like to use now vs back then? TY and Merry Christmas to you and yours much ❤ Joe from GA
I've always favored hard tips for rotation games and medium for One Pocket so it's easier to "slow spin" shots for precise cueball control. I use different types and usually Medium - I love Mild Duds like Mike Johnson in Baton Rouge makes......that's what Efren and Bustemante used in their primes ...Rodney Morris too.
What a lot of guys don't seem to understand is the difference between spotting games and spotting balls. Spot a guy 5 games in a race to 10, and he's all excited not realizing he's not good enough to win maybe 2 games. Spot a guy a ball or two, and that changes the equation if the guy knows how to work that spot based on his ability.
The table makes a Big difference too, especially pocket size, there's tables that "the last two" is a big spot but ordinarily it's not, especially on bar tables. Spotting is an art form, but we have to master it or go home busted!. The Game is the Teacher ✔️
The rails are the pockets and the pockets are the rails all they have to do is drive a ball to the rail but if the cue ball hits the rail it's a scratch. Another they get to move the cue ball a hands with in any direction. I would take the break and ball in hand all they had to do is make any ball in rotation
I had a home table advantage there - Rueben lost a lot of cabbage those years, you probably saw a lot of games, that was the action capital for several years.
Craziest game I’ve ever made, Bar box 9ball, I get the wild 8 but bridge every shot with my left foot or the rake. Also could break with both hands. Huge crowd of guys watching and no one could believe that giving up that spot was absolutely stealing
Back in the 90's, Shannon Daulton gave me the last 6 at Shooters in Olathe. Pretty sure we were playing 200 a rack. He beat me out of a thousand in about 20 minutes. He ran the first 4 racks. I shot once in the entire match. I'm by no means a great pool player, but I'm capable of running a rack from time to time. A huge spot like the last 6 from these pro players isn't nearly as sweet as it seems. Ha! I learned that the hard way.
Shannon had that level for sure - I actually gave Dan Tull the owner the 56, and last 5 there at Shooters too - the way we look at it if we run out the last 6 balls every time we are playing even.....that's how we outrun the Nutz, it's a mindset!
@@cjwiley1541 I've played Dan many times. Great guy. I watched Matlock give Rick the last 5 at Shooters in St Joseph. Rick had no chance. Matlock just pretty much never missed for hours and hours. And when he did, Rick was hooked. It was back in about 92 or 93. I was very impressed at the time. I'd never seen anyone play that good. Rick played way better than me. I've seen Rick run multiple racks on many different occasions. I saw him beat Cliff Joyner one night playing one pocket. Rick was no slouch. He could play. I couldn't imagine anyone being able to give him that kind of weight. Later on I learned there were guys like you and Shannon and many other top pros that could in fact give a really good pool player like Rick that kind of weight. Great video. I enjoyed it. Thanks.
Good stuff. I was never much a money gamble player but had a few runs in back in the late 80’s/90’s a few thousand a set and we call it weight too (which at some point was a new term to everyone ha) but then I just started hearing what will you give me or what will you give up to me. I mean what was a fair game for a 130 Usppa to give a 70 or 50 or 100 (not games but balls). Giving the 3,5,7 or 5 and out etc was a ton of “weight” but it also had to do with the caliber of the player giving it up and more so the caliber of the player your giving it too. Which was always kind of a process to figure out after playing a while and by then usually someone was down. I never really like that either because many just wanted so much weight or spot it made no sense. Have a nice holiday season. Cheers.
We will be shifting the Focus to Shoot or Dare in 2025 now that the 1st book is done, we decided it was as the best order to go by, so I'm excited to start promoting the game and advanced knowledge everyone can learn playing and watching it - see more about the game at www.shootordare.com The GAME is the Teacher 🎯
Not unless it's stipulated, the "6 Out" would include the 7 and 8 Ball.....usually the 6 Ball is alone, you could even get "the 6 and the last 2" - lots of combinations 🎁
We used to consider the call 5 with or without the break an absolutely horrible spot. They usually have to run 4 or 5 balls just to get out. Lots of bad players have been trapped up that way. The 5 is the WORST for them
Is you're playing and aiming system a lot like Efrens style of play? If not is there a player past or present that reminds you of how you play and approach the game?
Filler plays a similar style - Sky and Shane share a lot of similar approaches as I do....especially "popping" the stroke and our stances are similar, Shane stands further from the cueball so his bridge is longer....his stroke is still compact most of the time, precise, accurate and consistent is the 3 quality aspects of the Stroke , and the Stance is also involved since it's the fork and foundation of your physical structure as a human player.
Just a follow up question to that. A player that most represents your play in terms of shot selection and safety play an eight ball game that thinks most like you? Would you say the above names apply? Or anyone else? The most knowledgeable player? Both Past and/or present Thank you CJ.
I offer handicaps to the fellas too down the local spot but they don’t ever take it cuz they don’t wanna gamble. I’m only a 600 player… they gotta step up!
Women are stubborn like that but also wise because they know it's condescending towards her ...I got handicaps before from top players and dogged it because I was acknowledging they were better ....I won in the end but had to pretend we were playing Even.....it's a mental ploy sometimes
Playing bar pool I played two different guys at different times in the same scenario. They lost but wanted to talk about how they could beat me. I told both I would play blind folded. I got someone to help me. We rigged a blind fold out of bar towels. I got to line up a shot. And my helper flipped the blindfold down. I beat both players. To say they were unhappy is an understatement. I have never heard of anyone else doing this. Would like to know if you or anyone knows of it being done.
I practice that quite often. It sharpens the confidence in my stroke. I will play anyone that way lol. Like you said, folks don't like to lose that way lol.
Man, I used to spend 20 hrs a week at CJs in Lakewood. Once you left, that was it for me, best pool hall in DFW by a mile, miss it dearly!!!
A revelation just came to me. In the color of money after forest whittakers character hustles Paul Newman and Forrests character says" I want you to be real honest with me, do you think I need to lose a little weight?" And the laughs and walks away. takes on a whole new meaning. LMAO I learn something co every day! LOL 😂
Yes that was a subtle way he told Paul he got hustled and needed some weight
The Game is the Teacher
Hi CJ, great story. Love your stories. Lol, offering someone the 2 ball. That is really cool. I remember reading that Nick Varner would sometimes give a player like 14-1, playing One Pocket. You beat him, giving him the 3 ball and the breaks. You were basically betting that he could not break, and run out to the 3 ball. And, then you would have given him the 2 ball, lol. Again, he would have to break, make a ball, and get shape on the 1, unless he made the 1 on the break, then he would have to get shape on his money ball. A guy at my home pool hall used to give players what he called, the Straw spot. Where he would all them to move the cue ball the length of a straw on any shot. Therefore, it was nearly impossible to play defense. I used to have to give the local players the 6 out and the breaks, to get them to play. This was on 8 foot Valleys though, which were super easy to play on.
Yeah, if they can't break and run to their money ball they usually won't win the game
@cjwiley1541 I read a cool story about SVB giving Corey Deuel the 5 ball, playing 9 or 10 ball, for the 1st prize cash money that Corey had just won in a big tournament, and SVB beat him with that spot. Pretty amazing, I thought. Not sure when this was though.
CJ looking at some of your old matches online lately, I want to ask what tips do you like now and how hard of a tip do you like to use now vs back then? TY and Merry Christmas to you and yours much ❤ Joe from GA
I've always favored hard tips for rotation games and medium for One Pocket so it's easier to "slow spin" shots for precise cueball control.
I use different types and usually Medium - I love Mild Duds like Mike Johnson in Baton Rouge makes......that's what Efren and Bustemante used in their primes ...Rodney Morris too.
What a lot of guys don't seem to understand is the difference between spotting games and spotting balls. Spot a guy 5 games in a race to 10, and he's all excited not realizing he's not good enough to win maybe 2 games. Spot a guy a ball or two, and that changes the equation if the guy knows how to work that spot based on his ability.
The table makes a Big difference too, especially pocket size, there's tables that "the last two" is a big spot but ordinarily it's not, especially on bar tables.
Spotting is an art form, but we have to master it or go home busted!.
The Game is the Teacher ✔️
The rails are the pockets and the pockets are the rails all they have to do is drive a ball to the rail but if the cue ball hits the rail it's a scratch.
Another they get to move the cue ball a hands with in any direction.
I would take the break and ball in hand all they had to do is make any ball in rotation
the Hand Span ✔️
I do remember Rueben from CJ's. I also recall you offering Lizard the 6 ball.
I had a home table advantage there - Rueben lost a lot of cabbage those years, you probably saw a lot of games, that was the action capital for several years.
Hello CJ I love watching your videos... I was wondering if you have ever heard of or spotted someone the hand span
I haven't, but a friend named SuperStroke used to hustle it at my pool room and around the country
Craziest game I’ve ever made, Bar box 9ball, I get the wild 8 but bridge every shot with my left foot or the rake. Also could break with both hands. Huge crowd of guys watching and no one could believe that giving up that spot was absolutely stealing
Back in the 90's, Shannon Daulton gave me the last 6 at Shooters in Olathe. Pretty sure we were playing 200 a rack. He beat me out of a thousand in about 20 minutes. He ran the first 4 racks. I shot once in the entire match. I'm by no means a great pool player, but I'm capable of running a rack from time to time. A huge spot like the last 6 from these pro players isn't nearly as sweet as it seems. Ha! I learned that the hard way.
Shannon had that level for sure - I actually gave Dan Tull the owner the 56, and last 5 there at Shooters too - the way we look at it if we run out the last 6 balls every time we are playing even.....that's how we outrun the Nutz, it's a mindset!
@@cjwiley1541 I've played Dan many times. Great guy. I watched Matlock give Rick the last 5 at Shooters in St Joseph. Rick had no chance. Matlock just pretty much never missed for hours and hours. And when he did, Rick was hooked. It was back in about 92 or 93. I was very impressed at the time. I'd never seen anyone play that good. Rick played way better than me. I've seen Rick run multiple racks on many different occasions. I saw him beat Cliff Joyner one night playing one pocket. Rick was no slouch. He could play. I couldn't imagine anyone being able to give him that kind of weight. Later on I learned there were guys like you and Shannon and many other top pros that could in fact give a really good pool player like Rick that kind of weight. Great video. I enjoyed it. Thanks.
Jack Hines retired players in my town. We had never seen anything like it.
Jack had a high gear - he wouldn't play me for some reason🤠it would have been a Battle!
Good stuff. I was never much a money gamble player but had a few runs in back in the late 80’s/90’s a few thousand a set and we call it weight too (which at some point was a new term to everyone ha) but then I just started hearing what will you give me or what will you give up to me. I mean what was a fair game for a 130 Usppa to give a 70 or 50 or 100 (not games but balls). Giving the 3,5,7 or 5 and out etc was a ton of “weight” but it also had to do with the caliber of the player giving it up and more so the caliber of the player your giving it too. Which was always kind of a process to figure out after playing a while and by then usually someone was down. I never really like that either because many just wanted so much weight or spot it made no sense. Have a nice holiday season. Cheers.
It's a long and twisted road to develop a true hustling game - The Game is the Teacher
3,4 and the break? That’s insane. I would take that even though your CJ Wiley lol. Hey what happened with “shoot or dare”?
We will be shifting the Focus to Shoot or Dare in 2025 now that the 1st book is done, we decided it was as the best order to go by, so I'm excited to start promoting the game and advanced knowledge everyone can learn playing and watching it - see more about the game at www.shootordare.com
The GAME is the Teacher 🎯
@ best of luck with both endeavors. 👍🏼
When spotting the 6-ball, for example, does that include the. 7 and 8-ball too ?
Thats how I been interpetated it…
Not unless it's stipulated, the "6 Out" would include the 7 and 8 Ball.....usually the 6 Ball is alone, you could even get "the 6 and the last 2" - lots of combinations 🎁
Bye the way, thanks again for posting me that great match against the Miz ! Been looking for it for years !
We used to consider the call 5 with or without the break an absolutely horrible spot. They usually have to run 4 or 5 balls just to get out. Lots of bad players have been trapped up that way. The 5 is the WORST for them
The Orange Crush has crushed a lot of hopes and dreams in the short stop players.....The Game was their Teacher
@ never heard it called the Orange Crush. I like it. You have to be creative to get the cash sometimes. Love these stories and the conversation style.
@@williamwest7313all the trophy leagues now terms like the orange crush are vanishing as fast as the original great cue makers. Sadly
What do u think about fargo rating.
It's better than nothing
Is you're playing and aiming system a lot like Efrens style of play? If not is there a player past or present that reminds you of how you play and approach the game?
Filler plays a similar style - Sky and Shane share a lot of similar approaches as I do....especially "popping" the stroke and our stances are similar, Shane stands further from the cueball so his bridge is longer....his stroke is still compact most of the time, precise, accurate and consistent is the 3 quality aspects of the Stroke , and the Stance is also involved since it's the fork and foundation of your physical structure as a human player.
Just a follow up question to that. A player that most represents your play in terms of shot selection and safety play an eight ball game that thinks most like you? Would you say the above names apply? Or anyone else? The most knowledgeable player? Both Past and/or present Thank you CJ.
I play one pocket and 9 pretty often with my girl… she needs at least 10-6 or the 7-out but she refuses to take a handicap haha
I offer handicaps to the fellas too down the local spot but they don’t ever take it cuz they don’t wanna gamble. I’m only a 600 player… they gotta step up!
Women are stubborn like that but also wise because they know it's condescending towards her ...I got handicaps before from top players and dogged it because I was acknowledging they were better ....I won in the end but had to pretend we were playing Even.....it's a mental ploy sometimes
Also seen $1500 coin flips...
Playing bar pool I played two different guys at different times in the same scenario. They lost but wanted to talk about how they could beat me. I told both I would play blind folded. I got someone to help me. We rigged a blind fold out of bar towels. I got to line up a shot. And my helper flipped the blindfold down. I beat both players. To say they were unhappy is an understatement. I have never heard of anyone else doing this. Would like to know if you or anyone knows of it being done.
Allen Hopkins would turn his head each time and run out racks on the bar table, he's the best I've seen at blind man's pool.
I practice that quite often. It sharpens the confidence in my stroke. I will play anyone that way lol. Like you said, folks don't like to lose that way lol.
Did you ever get a spot
Yes of course - lots of times
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What is CJ driving? My steering wheel is in the other side
I think it's the camera on phone reverses saw it on many you tube videos*
This is the British version 😉
@@cjwiley1541 cheerio mate*
These backward screen shots are too hard to watch. (this video looks like your driving a car with your driver seat on the right side)
yeah my last weekend in Sweden 🤠