In a game I was running about a year ago, one of my players was a Cleric of Knowledge who was a follower of Deneir. He did a bunch of work with scrolls and cartography, and whenever he would use his abilities in combat, he would always let loose his war cry of "By the power of the written word!" before casting any of his divine spells
I miss Cyric, he was my favorite character in the Avatar Saga, even before he received Godsbane and became a Deity himself. Counting the days until he finds a way out of his current prison.
"What happened to Deneir?" really is a question that I hoped you'd be able to answer. My character is a cleric of Oghma and the bard of our party was educated by the church of Deneir, so both me and the other player were wondering about this. My hypothesis is that, with the second sundering, the return of Mystra and the weave not needing any more stabilising, he could simply return. But I do hope we'll get an answer some day. By the way, I wouldn't really call Deneir and Oghma "brother gods", since Deneir is more in a subordinate position together with Milil. As always, I love your videos!
That's also how I decided it happened. As it was explained to the PCs it was as if the weave were a rope snapped in two with both ends being yanked violently apart. Deneir basically jumped in between and grabbed the two ropes, keeping it from getting worse but the strain was too much for him to actually pull the rope back together and so he was stuck there. Mystra coming back was like the rope filled in its own gap and was no longer being torn apart so Deneir could just leave, his duty fulfilled.
The first Realms novel I ever read was the Cleric Quintet collection so Deneir was the first deity in D&D I ever heard of. My first character was a cleric of Deneir.
The funny thing is that Cyric wasn't a very powerful mortal. He had like 3 levels in thief and 4 in Fighter. It's not like the Dead Three, who were very powerful adventurers that fought through armies of vampire and liches to reach Jergal.
Damn. The Meta Text sounds such a cool concept. Such a cool hook for an NPC (or PC) who would want to ascend into goodhood. Really itches me to write a whole campaign around that. :D
Cadderly is so overpowered in everything except aging,and only because he viewed it as moral . He actually chose to be mortal . I think it was the only way to keep his powers in check. Cause reading everything Cadderly literally has every divine spell without preparation but still has the spell slots in limits making for a very prepared spellcaster ,albeit with a strict limit.
@@antwan1357 yes, though from what I read on him he had all of them prepared but on the end of the day it would physically tax him it does not say what that means but it sounds like either aging or extreme pain
I also stumbled upon an article which I quote: "During the Sundering the worlds of Toril and Abeir (which were united during the Era of Upheaval) are being separated from each other. During this time, the various gods are creating "chosen" mortals who are intended to bring power to the gods, in the hope that when "things are settled" these gods will have the power required to remain a god. There seems to be confusion amongst the gods as to what Ao actually has in mind as he re-writes things. Noted events during the Sundering are the diminishing of Spellplague effects, magic changing its nature to the way it worked in the past, such that old spellbooks work and recent ones do not. "The Weave" has new prominence, and most importantly for this question, various gods are found to either not be dead, to be re-united, or to be recreated through various events. It seems that in the various divine schemes to "get enough followers" all divine who have a "chosen", get chosen to remain a god, in a fun twist of the meaning of the "chosen"." Hope this answers your question! (I could swear I read it somewhere too but I could not find the proper source)
I'm hoping that when you get to the "V"s you have better luck researching Valkur than I have. I've been playing a Cleric of him in our current game, but I wind up getting pretty vague on most things. Thanks for the great videos so far!
In the cyric portion, you missed when he is on trial and the Other Book is read restoring his sanity. (Can’t remember the name of the Other Book. Sorry)
Deneir is the Cleric Quintet with Cadderly in Candle Keep and is in some of the later Drizzt novels when there is a Drizzt/Cadderly crossover with Jarlaxle in it too.
So on Denier : during the spellplague, Cadderly was gifted his powers before he tries to rewrite the weave and is lost. They cover that in the Ghost King, dont wanna spoil it though
Don't remember which one but I'm sure the answer is in one of the books involving krenshinabon or the gerufu I think it's called. When denir answers after writing himself into the meta text one of his main priests gain close to wizardly abilities and he didn't really have to pray for them. He just thinks what he needs and that manifests as if he prayed.
Cyric: 10/10, would assassinate again. Also, Bane is for the power-hungry, Cryic is for the lunatics who don't need an end goal for their evil and chaotic ways. Causing strife and suffering is a reward in of itself.
thanks again for another great video! I'm behind on my youtubing, but im catching up. would love a SHAUNDAKUL video, in a previous video you commented saying you would try. thank you!!! deneir will always hold a speical place in my heart, because of the cadderly books, which were one of the first FR books i read.
In the Drizzt book the Ghost King it details Deneir writing himself into the weave and dieing in the process, so it seems he did have to return some how. Maybe it was the act of worshipers believing him back... wouldnt be the first time.
Can I put in a request for Shaundakul? I suspect he won't be on your list since he hasn't had much love since 3e, but he's an ancient and weird god that I'd love to spread the word about. Wind guide you! Also, when you get to the video containing Gond, it's definitely worth noting the Da Vinci Code-esque hidden agenda his followers have concerning the gods of magic: forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19994
You should read the time of troubles series, I think they are 3 (or rather five) of the better ones among Forgotten Realms books. In fact, I restarted the skim reading through them just yesterday after 22 years :)
I did something kinda neat with Deneir, but I'm not on the computer that has my document! Need to cloud these bad boys. Here's a probably wrong catch-up of what happened when Deneir disappeared as canon: In 1385DR, the goddess Mystra is killed and the Weave which enables magic in Toril is about to be killed with her. In an attempt to save the Weave, Deneir writes/weaves himself and also the Metatext into the Weave and manages to have the weave not be destroyed but still the Spellplague happens which is a whole thing. At around the same time, Cadderly Bonaduce and some other totally unimportant no-name losers are fighting the Ghost King, which is a big ol' baddy but also is three different big ol' baddies in one. Cadderly is a Chosen of Deneir, and has a Bunch of Epic Powers. As Deneir disappears into the Weave, Cadderly gets a Bunch More Epic Powers and beats the Ghost King up, who then retreats into the Shadowfell to recharge. Ghost King come back, gets beat up again, and then Cadderly jumps on into the Shadowfell (with some help) and he beats the Ghost King up there as well. But since the Ghost King could maybe come back to life in the Shadowfell, Cadderly forever guards the Toril-Shadowfell bridge that now exists where the battle took place in a super dope cathedral that Cadderly built using his Epic Powers a while back. Some stuff happens and some time passes, and since Deneir doesn't exist and neither does Cadderly kind-of, Spirit Soaring falls into disrepair and presumably some baddies move in but who knows? The cathedral was directly tied to Cadderly's life-force or something and it broke when he left Toril. Here's where I deviated, and made up my own history. Around 1400DR, some time after the biggest baddest parts of the Spellplague, Cadderly Bonaduce has slowly grown in strength and, lo and behold, has been given the powers and god portfolio as Deneir! Badabing badaboom. He is now Deneir. This is possibly a reward from on high, or the intention of Old Deneir upon his incorporation into the Weave. Not important. Pretty quickly, Cadderly (now Deneir) takes on a Chosen, who he sends into the Shadowfell to find and destroy the Ghost King, or what's left of them. Which is a big success! The Chosen, whose name I've forgotten, finds the Ghost King, who is now a Shadowfell-themed dragon with red crystal scales, has a big fight, and wins. The Chosen returns to Toril and dies on the spot, and New Deneir seals the rift off behind them permanently. New Deneir disappears, but Spirit Soaring remains, and is in great condition now. In the years between 1400 and the 1480s, Spirit Soaring sends out a subtle call to people likely to follow Deneir, and the people come. The cathedral slowly fills its halls with brainiacs and priests and stuff and it becomes as Cadderly Bonaduce originally intended; a home for followers of all good-aligned gods to study and to share knowledge. A badass cathedral-library. As well, a thriving community grows up in the foothills and plains around Spirit Soaring, stretching out to the nearby Impresk Lake. While Deneir hasn't revealed himself, he is still generally prayed to and recognized as the prevailing god of this place. After the Second Sundering in 1487: Deneir is back in full force, there's a city-state in Impresk that isn't there in canon. I spent way too much time recreating this information and typing this out while I'm between houses instead of waiting until my main PC is setup at the new place and I could have just copy/pasted. There is a lot of extra stuff I have left out, but this is the stuff that directly pertains to Deneir.
You think Deneir clerics are cool? Deneir Warlocks are where it is at. Seriously. In my campaign, Deneir is a Great Old One patron for a small force of Warlocks on Toril whose mission is to catalog and record all significant events.
I have a question, I believe that you afre doing these lore gods videos in a alphabetic order. Will we see some lore on Bahamut the god of Good metalic dragons?
Cool, good to hear that. I actually thought that you would go along and return to Bahamut and do the lore when reaching leter T like Tiamat and then do the thing, considering their relationship / family ties.
@@Shrooms-gud4ya Here's something that'll cause a chuckle. In the realms he's only a lesser power, while the kobold god Kurtulmac is a greater power. That's because worshippers directly translate into power. The exceptions are the overpower, Ao, and Highgod Ptah. Though the highgod hasn't been mentioned since 2nd edition.
You definitely should read the Avatar series of books. Or the comic book. (Yes it was a one shot comic done during the comic book run of the Forgotten realms.).
5th edition is crappy in terms of lore. It was all 2nd and 3rd that had all the sauce. The whole Times of Trouble thing which is referenced in this video also happened back then. Now it's just pieces and rubble.
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In a game I was running about a year ago, one of my players was a Cleric of Knowledge who was a follower of Deneir. He did a bunch of work with scrolls and cartography, and whenever he would use his abilities in combat, he would always let loose his war cry of "By the power of the written word!" before casting any of his divine spells
cringe
Sounds like a god among men the being of true holy light and devoshion to ones god
I miss Cyric, he was my favorite character in the Avatar Saga, even before he received Godsbane and became a Deity himself. Counting the days until he finds a way out of his current prison.
So basically, Deneir is the god of nerds. Neat.
My favorite god
Deneir is actually an alfa male god who just happens to be a good natured deity. Scrub off neeeeerds!
I'm just waiting for the day when the ph isn't silent
"Hey everybody Jorphdan here, I've been lying to you this entire time!"
"What happened to Deneir?" really is a question that I hoped you'd be able to answer.
My character is a cleric of Oghma and the bard of our party was educated by the church of Deneir, so both me and the other player were wondering about this.
My hypothesis is that, with the second sundering, the return of Mystra and the weave not needing any more stabilising, he could simply return. But I do hope we'll get an answer some day.
By the way, I wouldn't really call Deneir and Oghma "brother gods", since Deneir is more in a subordinate position together with Milil.
As always, I love your videos!
That's also how I decided it happened. As it was explained to the PCs it was as if the weave were a rope snapped in two with both ends being yanked violently apart. Deneir basically jumped in between and grabbed the two ropes, keeping it from getting worse but the strain was too much for him to actually pull the rope back together and so he was stuck there. Mystra coming back was like the rope filled in its own gap and was no longer being torn apart so Deneir could just leave, his duty fulfilled.
@@KingZolem yeah, it makes sense!
DENIER CLERICS FOR LIFE! REPRESENT!
The first Realms novel I ever read was the Cleric Quintet collection so Deneir was the first deity in D&D I ever heard of. My first character was a cleric of Deneir.
The funny thing is that Cyric wasn't a very powerful mortal. He had like 3 levels in thief and 4 in Fighter. It's not like the Dead Three, who were very powerful adventurers that fought through armies of vampire and liches to reach Jergal.
About to start a planescape campaign myself and all of these diety and planar videos really helped me get this idea. Thank you!
Damn. The Meta Text sounds such a cool concept. Such a cool hook for an NPC (or PC) who would want to ascend into goodhood. Really itches me to write a whole campaign around that. :D
You should do a video on the most famous cleric of Deneir. Cadderly Bonaduce
Cadderly is so overpowered in everything except aging,and only because he viewed it as moral . He actually chose to be mortal . I think it was the only way to keep his powers in check. Cause reading everything Cadderly literally has every divine spell without preparation but still has the spell slots in limits making for a very prepared spellcaster ,albeit with a strict limit.
@@antwan1357 yes, though from what I read on him he had all of them prepared but on the end of the day it would physically tax him it does not say what that means but it sounds like either aging or extreme pain
I also stumbled upon an article which I quote:
"During the Sundering the worlds of Toril and Abeir (which were united during the Era of Upheaval) are being separated from each other. During this time, the various gods are creating "chosen" mortals who are intended to bring power to the gods, in the hope that when "things are settled" these gods will have the power required to remain a god. There seems to be confusion amongst the gods as to what Ao actually has in mind as he re-writes things.
Noted events during the Sundering are the diminishing of Spellplague effects, magic changing its nature to the way it worked in the past, such that old spellbooks work and recent ones do not. "The Weave" has new prominence, and most importantly for this question, various gods are found to either not be dead, to be re-united, or to be recreated through various events. It seems that in the various divine schemes to "get enough followers" all divine who have a "chosen", get chosen to remain a god, in a fun twist of the meaning of the "chosen"."
Hope this answers your question! (I could swear I read it somewhere too but I could not find the proper source)
also love reading and hearing about the meta text, it was so cool when deneir wrote himself into the weave. very cool.
Awesome series, Keep up the good work!
Thank you again Jorphdan!
Cyric has such a cool story! Just like you I have yet to read those books but I will eventually! Thank you for the lovely video!
I'm hoping that when you get to the "V"s you have better luck researching Valkur than I have. I've been playing a Cleric of him in our current game, but I wind up getting pretty vague on most things.
Thanks for the great videos so far!
In the cyric portion, you missed when he is on trial and the Other Book is read restoring his sanity. (Can’t remember the name of the Other Book. Sorry)
The other book was called, "the true life", while the false tome was the "Cyrinishaad".
Deneir is the Cleric Quintet with Cadderly in Candle Keep and is in some of the later Drizzt novels when there is a Drizzt/Cadderly crossover with Jarlaxle in it too.
A video about corellon loth and elistrae would be epic
Great vid guys!
So on Denier : during the spellplague, Cadderly was gifted his powers before he tries to rewrite the weave and is lost. They cover that in the Ghost King, dont wanna spoil it though
I love this series, man...
Don't remember which one but I'm sure the answer is in one of the books involving krenshinabon or the gerufu I think it's called. When denir answers after writing himself into the meta text one of his main priests gain close to wizardly abilities and he didn't really have to pray for them. He just thinks what he needs and that manifests as if he prayed.
Sorry terrible spelling. I would have been more careful but I'm working. Lol
Could you do a video on Kelemvor? I love these videos and I think a video about Kelemvor would be fantastic
He's on the list!
If you take a look at the listed Gods on SCAG, you'll notice he's going in alphabetical order.
Emmanuel Acosta I did not notice that actually, so thank you!
Cyric: 10/10, would assassinate again. Also, Bane is for the power-hungry, Cryic is for the lunatics who don't need an end goal for their evil and chaotic ways. Causing strife and suffering is a reward in of itself.
thanks again for another great video! I'm behind on my youtubing, but im catching up.
would love a SHAUNDAKUL video, in a previous video you commented saying you would try. thank you!!!
deneir will always hold a speical place in my heart, because of the cadderly books, which were one of the first FR books i read.
Nice, Dragon's Dogma reference on screen
In the Drizzt book the Ghost King it details Deneir writing himself into the weave and dieing in the process, so it seems he did have to return some how.
Maybe it was the act of worshipers believing him back... wouldnt be the first time.
By Oghma, Mystra, and lost Deneir, a new video!
Why did you use Drizzt's picture when you talked about cyric
Can I put in a request for Shaundakul? I suspect he won't be on your list since he hasn't had much love since 3e, but he's an ancient and weird god that I'd love to spread the word about. Wind guide you!
Also, when you get to the video containing Gond, it's definitely worth noting the Da Vinci Code-esque hidden agenda his followers have concerning the gods of magic: forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19994
I'll see what I can find :)
"ancient and weird" - I'm sold
3:25 the Eldrazi Titans?
I'm making a cleric of deneir to descent into avernus adventure :D let's read all this contracts very well
Nice!
You should read the time of troubles series, I think they are 3 (or rather five) of the better ones among Forgotten Realms books. In fact, I restarted the skim reading through them just yesterday after 22 years :)
The five part novel series on the time of troubles is very good you should try them. P.S. I love your videos.
Thanks!
Always enjoyable
Annnnd subscribed
You should do Hoar next
My main question is...now that both Bane and Bhaal are back, and Kelemvor took Myrkuls place. How is Cyric still a greater power!!?
Will you be doing a video on Istishia/Akadi/Grumbar/Kossuth?
I did something kinda neat with Deneir, but I'm not on the computer that has my document! Need to cloud these bad boys.
Here's a probably wrong catch-up of what happened when Deneir disappeared as canon:
In 1385DR, the goddess Mystra is killed and the Weave which enables magic in Toril is about to be killed with her. In an attempt to save the Weave, Deneir writes/weaves himself and also the Metatext into the Weave and manages to have the weave not be destroyed but still the Spellplague happens which is a whole thing.
At around the same time, Cadderly Bonaduce and some other totally unimportant no-name losers are fighting the Ghost King, which is a big ol' baddy but also is three different big ol' baddies in one. Cadderly is a Chosen of Deneir, and has a Bunch of Epic Powers. As Deneir disappears into the Weave, Cadderly gets a Bunch More Epic Powers and beats the Ghost King up, who then retreats into the Shadowfell to recharge. Ghost King come back, gets beat up again, and then Cadderly jumps on into the Shadowfell (with some help) and he beats the Ghost King up there as well. But since the Ghost King could maybe come back to life in the Shadowfell, Cadderly forever guards the Toril-Shadowfell bridge that now exists where the battle took place in a super dope cathedral that Cadderly built using his Epic Powers a while back. Some stuff happens and some time passes, and since Deneir doesn't exist and neither does Cadderly kind-of, Spirit Soaring falls into disrepair and presumably some baddies move in but who knows? The cathedral was directly tied to Cadderly's life-force or something and it broke when he left Toril.
Here's where I deviated, and made up my own history.
Around 1400DR, some time after the biggest baddest parts of the Spellplague, Cadderly Bonaduce has slowly grown in strength and, lo and behold, has been given the powers and god portfolio as Deneir! Badabing badaboom. He is now Deneir. This is possibly a reward from on high, or the intention of Old Deneir upon his incorporation into the Weave. Not important.
Pretty quickly, Cadderly (now Deneir) takes on a Chosen, who he sends into the Shadowfell to find and destroy the Ghost King, or what's left of them. Which is a big success! The Chosen, whose name I've forgotten, finds the Ghost King, who is now a Shadowfell-themed dragon with red crystal scales, has a big fight, and wins. The Chosen returns to Toril and dies on the spot, and New Deneir seals the rift off behind them permanently. New Deneir disappears, but Spirit Soaring remains, and is in great condition now.
In the years between 1400 and the 1480s, Spirit Soaring sends out a subtle call to people likely to follow Deneir, and the people come. The cathedral slowly fills its halls with brainiacs and priests and stuff and it becomes as Cadderly Bonaduce originally intended; a home for followers of all good-aligned gods to study and to share knowledge. A badass cathedral-library. As well, a thriving community grows up in the foothills and plains around Spirit Soaring, stretching out to the nearby Impresk Lake. While Deneir hasn't revealed himself, he is still generally prayed to and recognized as the prevailing god of this place.
After the Second Sundering in 1487: Deneir is back in full force, there's a city-state in Impresk that isn't there in canon.
I spent way too much time recreating this information and typing this out while I'm between houses instead of waiting until my main PC is setup at the new place and I could have just copy/pasted. There is a lot of extra stuff I have left out, but this is the stuff that directly pertains to Deneir.
So when's the next Pantheon video coming out?
Did a good job, but I'm confused as to why you linked these guys.. They both deserve their own VID.
individual videos maybe in the future. Linked them because they're alphabetical in the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide.
I'm wondering if there's a connection between Jergal and Deneir, Jergal was the scribe of the dead after all
Did you ever do a video on Finder? Have you considered doing videos on the old DC AD&D and Forgotten Realms Comics?
Finder Wyvernspur? Haven't done a video on him yet, and I haven't read some of those older comics. I wonder if I could find them online.
@@Jorphdan They were pretty great back in the day (the comics). I believe they were written by Jeff Grub and Kate Novak.
Tempus and Mask
Can you review the elven gods/goddesses of the Seldarine?
yay new deity vid :D
In a future video can you cover the mind flayer empire
I am kinda pissed at 5e for retconning Deneir's Heroic Sacrifice in 4e.
The avatar trilogy is really good. You should really read it...:)
Well met!
Savras? I hardly ever hear anything about him. All I really know is that he exists :/
You really need to read the Avatar Series. You can even listen to them on YT. Awesome series. EDIT: A video on LOVIATAR would be quite dope.
I do! I read the first one, I need to continue! Also here's a loviatar video
th-cam.com/video/qjB8vCHm7pg/w-d-xo.html
How can you not mention Cadderly the Chosen of Deneir?!? *Le Gasp!*
What about ower lord, Saint Cuthbert?
The god of justice and order would be good
They don't exist in FR.
Would you invoke the wrath of gods if you name your child after them?
As far as I know, It is "Deneir" not Denier. You might want to change the title of the video
Doh You're right :) I'll fix it thanks!
You think Deneir clerics are cool? Deneir Warlocks are where it is at. Seriously. In my campaign, Deneir is a Great Old One patron for a small force of Warlocks on Toril whose mission is to catalog and record all significant events.
I have a question, I believe that you afre doing these lore gods videos in a alphabetic order. Will we see some lore on Bahamut the god of Good metalic dragons?
+Wicked 'shrooms yep I'll go back once I finish my alphabetical list 😀
Cool, good to hear that. I actually thought that you would go along and return to Bahamut and do the lore when reaching leter T like Tiamat and then do the thing, considering their relationship / family ties.
@@Shrooms-gud4ya Here's something that'll cause a chuckle. In the realms he's only a lesser power, while
the kobold god Kurtulmac is a greater power. That's because worshippers directly translate into power. The
exceptions are the overpower, Ao, and Highgod Ptah. Though the highgod hasn't been mentioned since 2nd
edition.
You definitely should read the Avatar series of books. Or the comic book. (Yes it was a one shot comic done during the comic book run of the Forgotten realms.).
Eeee. .. thx man :*
Cyric wasn't a deity for very long right? How was he so popular?
Deneir 3:45
Wait I thought denier was the night serpent, am I confusing two different gods?
Dendar is the night serpent :)
forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Dendar
ok, thanks
I thought Deneir died after third edition...
Paladins for Eilistraee
Kiri-Jolith bison headed god of just causes. Just saying
"lesser known" known if you know nothing about the forgotten realms.
Hlal is a lesser known deity not Cyric or Deneir. Stil like the videos
Hlal the jester, one of the dragon pantheon.
Don't feel bad about not reading the Time of Troubles novels, they SSSSSUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKK!!!!
5th edition is crappy in terms of lore. It was all 2nd and 3rd that had all the sauce. The whole Times of Trouble thing which is referenced in this video also happened back then. Now it's just pieces and rubble.
Mask !!!!
i don't appreciate these lie i have one friend among the pantheon of sorts the newest god of magic