In her study of women in late imperial China, Susan Mann has described two familiar tropes in Qing literary constructions of women: the secluded, pure-minded guixiu and the cultivated and sensuous courtesan. Binchun’s writing about upper-class European women combined the two categories, alternating between their learning, cultivation, playful vivacity, and stunning beauty. As party hostesses, European women often resembled upper-class Confucian ladies in thoughtfulness and wisdom. A princess, for example, was praised for “belaboring herself exchanging greetings” with him. The queen of Prussia had a “gentle and honorable manner,” with a radiating modesty and a genial voice. These honorable women were physically attractive, featuring pleasing fragrance, elegant figures and stunning faces. In a group of three poems devoted to European customs, he portrayed himself like a chivalrous gentleman guarding the ladies from smokers: “Women are untouched by worldly smog. So please! Do not let your tobacco near them.” The poem was followed by a note explaining that, given the high respect society paid to women, men should avoid women’s presence whenever they smoked. On other occasions - especially with younger guests - his depictions of women resembled courtesans more closely. He befriended them unapologetically, playing games with them, and in one instance receiving from two young ladies a photograph of themselves. His poems on such occasions were full of verve and naughty, casual joy. Appropriating a term which Tang Xuanzong, a famous eighth-century emperor, had used for his favorite consort, Binchun told us that Bowra’s sister, Anna, was a multilingual “talking flower” (jieyuhua). Bright and clever, she “loved Chinese the best of all languages.” Another female guest at the same party was “a rare beauty.” She made flowers into a hairpin for herself, and followed Binchun everywhere like a fluttering butterfly. Still a third female guest had “a smile echoing springtime.” Delighted to be in Binchun’s company, she volunteered to take off her wedding ring to show it to him. He had been told that Europeans considered taking off their wedding rings as inauspicious, so he praised her for the intelligence she demonstrated in refusing to accept such superstitious ideas.
I totally had that nice, warm-fuzzy feeling of "isn't technology just awesome to connect people from different sides of the world" when I heard that US americans joined rednote and were open and curious. I'm sure some people will have lasting changes in their perception. Would be interesting to know what chinese users think about it. I won't join though, I'm curious but I have too much screentime as it is... nice earrings! (cycades? flies?)
I look at it as a Potemkin App. In a country than banned TikTok long before the US did and allows no criticism directed at itself by it's own citizens but does allow criticism of other governments by anyone.
Binchun’s literary treatment of European women adopted a strategic framing similar to his writing on Western courts, machines, and cities. He emphasized their aesthetically pleasing aspects in a language of assimilation, leaving out any content which might appear troubling or difficult to explain. For a comparison, Zhang Deyi filled his account with strange observations such as the custom whereby young men and women “pecked the back of their own hands to pass kisses in the air,” the common practice at Windsor Castle where one “held and smelled” the Queen’s extended hand to show respect, and the rumors about pretty shop attendants who lured rich customers into becoming their liaisons. Although Binchun likely encountered many of the same stories, he made no mention of them. Instead, he explained that foreigners’ customs, strange though they might appear at first, were all perfectly sensible to a Chinese gentleman like him. As he wrote in a set of poems about European women: “only after a handshake could one be said to have fulfilled the ritual.” Asking his readers not to blame him for transgressing the Confucian tradition of gender segregation in a public space, he wrote, “I am afraid that you, my reader, might blame me for my careless conduct, but it wasn’t that I loved their soft hands.” In a note below, he added that handshaking was a sign of respect performed regardless of sex.
Yeah, I'm not taking anything you say seriously if you use reddit as a source. Reddit is a horrible place to hear "Americans talking to other Americans". Its not at all reflective of an average American's opinion or mindset. It's chronically online weirdos. Also, how are you oblivious to these fact that rednote is HEAVILY censored? It's absolutely not connecting people to a realistic view of average Chinese people. You're indoctrinated by your own flavor of propaganda but you think you're above it somehow.
Well, 250 years of enlightened and intelligent people trying to do just that hasn't really succeeded, so I am not sure why a Chinese social media app would...
The Tiananmen Square protests, known within China as the June Fourth Incident, were student-led demonstrations held in Tiananmen Square in Beijing, China, lasting from 15 April to 4 June 1989. After weeks of unsuccessful attempts between the demonstrators and the Chinese government to find a peaceful resolution, the Chinese government deployed troops to occupy the square on the night of 3 June in what is referred to as the Tiananmen Square massacre. The events are sometimes called the '89 Democracy Movement, the Tiananmen Square Incident, or the Tiananmen uprising. here's some honey for your dear leader- 🍯🍯🍯🍯. if you know you know, operation honeypot GO! GO! GO!
@Peace Labor May - try typing the above into Red Note and then decide if Americans are being collectively propogandized by their government, or if, maybe, they are waking up to a community of nations that are themselves propogandized. Thank God you have the capacity to spread your ideas on TH-cam, owned by Google, an American company.
@@ImamArafatSheikhYabutiBi-ir1cl It's always funny seeing americans complain about how awful their government is when they have no idea what a real murderous dictatorship actually is... well, they might have better ideas in the upcoming 2004 with their new Russian Style Oligarchic Satsuma in Chief and President Muskovich.
Tiananmen Square was a cia funded attempt to cause instability, and the students in question had already received American green cards. This is the same shit we did in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Chile, and many many others. This is state department propaganda. China has never been the aggressor in another country, It's always America, anything to the contrary is simply ahistorical misinformation.
I've been on RedNote a few days so I'm not an expert but I've already noticed a shift between Day 1 and Day 3. Starting on Day 1 it was like being a tourist in a new country, learning quickly what the customs are and having meaningful cultural exchange. Learned some Chinese words, slang, and the "vibe" of RedNote. I think the tone on RedNote is/was like having calm conversations on Reddit + with more photos. It seems easier to have a true conversation, people reply, it's not just silent Likes and Upvotes and snark. As the TikTok shutdown approached on Sunday evening, influencers started porting over their slop and trying to speak mainly towards American "TikTok refugees." The Chinese users noticed and emphasized RedNote is not TikTok and it was not made for short form. The TikTok userbase is just sooo juvenile, snarky, and focused on followers/attention instead of conversation.
In her study of women in late imperial China, Susan Mann has described two familiar tropes in Qing literary constructions of women: the secluded, pure-minded guixiu and the cultivated and sensuous courtesan. Binchun’s writing about upper-class European women combined the two categories, alternating between their learning, cultivation, playful vivacity, and stunning beauty. As party hostesses, European women often resembled upper-class Confucian ladies in thoughtfulness and wisdom. A princess, for example, was praised for “belaboring herself exchanging greetings” with him. The queen of Prussia had a “gentle and honorable manner,” with a radiating modesty and a genial voice. These honorable women were physically attractive, featuring pleasing fragrance, elegant figures and stunning faces. In a group of three poems devoted to European customs, he portrayed himself like a chivalrous gentleman guarding the ladies from smokers: “Women are untouched by worldly smog. So please! Do not let your tobacco near them.” The poem was followed by a note explaining that, given the high respect society paid to women, men should avoid women’s presence whenever they smoked.
On other occasions - especially with younger guests - his depictions of women resembled courtesans more closely. He befriended them unapologetically, playing games with them, and in one instance receiving from two young ladies a photograph of themselves. His poems on such occasions were full of verve and naughty, casual joy. Appropriating a term which Tang Xuanzong, a famous eighth-century emperor, had used for his favorite consort, Binchun told us that Bowra’s sister, Anna, was a multilingual “talking flower” (jieyuhua). Bright and clever, she “loved Chinese the best of all languages.” Another female guest at the same party was “a rare beauty.” She made flowers into a hairpin for herself, and followed Binchun everywhere like a fluttering butterfly. Still a third female guest had “a smile echoing springtime.” Delighted to be in Binchun’s company, she volunteered to take off her wedding ring to show it to him. He had been told that Europeans considered taking off their wedding rings as inauspicious, so he praised her for the intelligence she demonstrated in refusing to accept such superstitious ideas.
I totally had that nice, warm-fuzzy feeling of "isn't technology just awesome to connect people from different sides of the world" when I heard that US americans joined rednote and were open and curious. I'm sure some people will have lasting changes in their perception. Would be interesting to know what chinese users think about it. I won't join though, I'm curious but I have too much screentime as it is... nice earrings! (cycades? flies?)
I've seen some Chinese people that were mad and said Americans brought bad things (like slutty behavior?) with them and they should leave.
There is a lot to learn... and unlearn. Thanks, I think they're flies (the earrings).
I look at it as a Potemkin App. In a country than banned TikTok long before the US did and allows no criticism directed at itself by it's own citizens but does allow criticism of other governments by anyone.
Binchun’s literary treatment of European women adopted a strategic framing similar to his writing on Western courts, machines, and cities. He emphasized their aesthetically pleasing aspects in a language of assimilation, leaving out any content which might appear troubling or difficult to explain. For a comparison, Zhang Deyi filled his account with strange observations such as the custom whereby young men and women “pecked the back of their own hands to pass kisses in the air,” the common practice at Windsor Castle where one “held and smelled” the Queen’s extended hand to show respect, and the rumors about pretty shop attendants who lured rich customers into becoming their liaisons. Although Binchun likely encountered many of the same stories, he made no mention of them. Instead, he explained that foreigners’ customs, strange though they might appear at first, were all perfectly sensible to a Chinese gentleman like him. As he wrote in a set of poems about European women: “only after a handshake could one be said to have fulfilled the ritual.” Asking his readers not to blame him for transgressing the Confucian tradition of gender segregation in a public space, he wrote, “I am afraid that you, my reader, might blame me for my careless conduct, but it wasn’t that I loved their soft hands.” In a note below, he added that handshaking was a sign of respect performed regardless of sex.
Yeah, I'm not taking anything you say seriously if you use reddit as a source. Reddit is a horrible place to hear "Americans talking to other Americans". Its not at all reflective of an average American's opinion or mindset. It's chronically online weirdos. Also, how are you oblivious to these fact that rednote is HEAVILY censored? It's absolutely not connecting people to a realistic view of average Chinese people. You're indoctrinated by your own flavor of propaganda but you think you're above it somehow.
Well, 250 years of enlightened and intelligent people trying to do just that hasn't really succeeded, so I am not sure why a Chinese social media app would...
The Tiananmen Square protests, known within China as the June Fourth Incident, were student-led demonstrations held in Tiananmen Square in Beijing, China, lasting from 15 April to 4 June 1989. After weeks of unsuccessful attempts between the demonstrators and the Chinese government to find a peaceful resolution, the Chinese government deployed troops to occupy the square on the night of 3 June in what is referred to as the Tiananmen Square massacre. The events are sometimes called the '89 Democracy Movement, the Tiananmen Square Incident, or the Tiananmen uprising. here's some honey for your dear leader- 🍯🍯🍯🍯. if you know you know, operation honeypot GO! GO! GO!
@Peace Labor May - try typing the above into Red Note and then decide if Americans are being collectively propogandized by their government, or if, maybe, they are waking up to a community of nations that are themselves propogandized. Thank God you have the capacity to spread your ideas on TH-cam, owned by Google, an American company.
@@ImamArafatSheikhYabutiBi-ir1cl It's always funny seeing americans complain about how awful their government is when they have no idea what a real murderous dictatorship actually is...
well, they might have better ideas in the upcoming 2004 with their new Russian Style Oligarchic Satsuma in Chief and President Muskovich.
Tiananmen Square was a cia funded attempt to cause instability, and the students in question had already received American green cards. This is the same shit we did in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Chile, and many many others. This is state department propaganda. China has never been the aggressor in another country, It's always America, anything to the contrary is simply ahistorical misinformation.
Spoiler alert: No.
I've been on RedNote a few days so I'm not an expert but I've already noticed a shift between Day 1 and Day 3. Starting on Day 1 it was like being a tourist in a new country, learning quickly what the customs are and having meaningful cultural exchange. Learned some Chinese words, slang, and the "vibe" of RedNote. I think the tone on RedNote is/was like having calm conversations on Reddit + with more photos. It seems easier to have a true conversation, people reply, it's not just silent Likes and Upvotes and snark. As the TikTok shutdown approached on Sunday evening, influencers started porting over their slop and trying to speak mainly towards American "TikTok refugees." The Chinese users noticed and emphasized RedNote is not TikTok and it was not made for short form. The TikTok userbase is just sooo juvenile, snarky, and focused on followers/attention instead of conversation.
Doubtful. We are feral by nature. Basically raccoons without the rabies.