It's a good line because it doesn't exactly mean you suck it just means you lost your golden ticket EZ Pass that made the journey smoother. Last two games are objectively bad but the saga of Mac Jones overall is very much a saga the "rest of us" group were used to dealing with.
Not that many people failed to notice how great and important Brady was. I didn't see us becoming the very worst team so fast, but it was clear the days of perpetual contender were over barring another miracle player acquisition.
@@ManuelRodriguez-mg8km He's listening to too much talk radio/debate shows. The Brady/Belichick debate when they were one entity for 20 years is so stupid. One person is never responsible for everything. That 13-3 Super Bowl against the Rams #1 offense doesn't just get erased because Mac Jones sucks. That said, it is fair to criticize Bill's inability to draft offensive talent, because there does seem to be something going on for about 10 years there. Still, it's such a manufactured debate.
I grew up with the late 70s Pats through today. Todays fans are completely delusional to think that the success that we’ve had for 20 years is sustainable. Eventually you have to tear it all down and rebuild. When you decide to do that it’s a COMPLETE top down process. We all fell for the same trap with the Celtics post Bird. It took an ownership change and firing everyone 10 years AFTER Bird retired before Ainge was hired and brought in Doc. Then the big trades and great drafts. It took another 5 years to become a champion again! That’s where we’re at! These players like N’Keal Harry and Isaiah Winn, Cole Strange, and on and on. It’s the same as the Dee Browns and Eric Motross stiffs that the Celtics fans lived with for a DECADE before Danny came in. Time to clean house, and rebuild bring in a young GM let them bring in their own coach and start over!
As a long time suffering Jets fan and much of that suffering at the hands of Bill and the Pats. The humanity makes it difficult to relish this new Patriots era. But I am managing just fine…….
I mean he's talked some nonsense as well not too long ago. By saying that Tua isn't any better than Mac Jones. It's fine if you want to believe in Jones and say he needs more help. But Tua was in an even worse position in his first two seasons in the league. Had an even worse O-Line much worse weapons no running game and worse offensive coaching around him and a HC who didn't want him and belittled him all the even did it in front of the team on occasions. And yet Tua played at an average level.
He has sources due to that tenure as a newspaper reporter for the team prior to NBC but I caution you to take everything he says with a grain of salt. He doesn't have a football professional background to be taken seriously when he grades a player, he is just reactive to stuff on TV. His main job is to run a daily show for NBC and his job is to keep viewers glued, and the obvious way to do that is to speak down on the team when that's what the fanbase is already doing. All that said Tom seems like a nice guy who is good at media, doesn't mean he is always correct or reflective of reality. He was swearing up and down till September that Mac Jones was the answer and Patricia was the root of all problems...just like the fans...and now Tom is walking that back and saying Bill failed to build a roster so it's his fault.
Gotta listen to him more often if you want to call him a straight shooter. In the preseason he was swearing Mac was the guy and Patricia was the problem, but now that it's not working he is blaming Bill for the roster that he previously had confidence in.
Let Malik play the second half in Vegas. Kraft should get a new GM immediately, before BB does any more damage. All the nepotism in BB's little realm must be reevaluated with a clear, cold eye, and an offense-oriented new head coach must be chosen after the season ends. Mayo is great on defense.
if they would have signed Dhop too then it would have made sense but to sign just a #2 receiver when we have a roster full of them didnt make sense. And to pick up a bunch of no body tackles didnt make sense either.
@@FlpDScrp Well nothing if Kraft don't make a change nothing will change. Get a Gm and Bill can have input but not spend atleast for offense and keep him as just simply the head coach. If he leaves hes gonna go to a superbowl ready team watch. But he can turn this season around if he gets proven younger pieces which is gonna cost future draft picks which is ok as long as they are good to great players. 2 real Tackles and A #1 field stretcher via trade will make a difference. use up the 2025 picks.
Where is the quote of Bill talking to Tom before a game against the Giants, Bill says something to the effect of, it's the same old guys at the Giants organization as when he was still there, commenting on the stagnant nature of the organization.
@@payzcpt8200 a u 4 real. He was intended to be a minority owner for the dolphins. Craft should have offered him, could still offer him a stake. Would what he then do? Lets see go back to the pkace that made him. Save the patriots. Become a bigger legend. MJ was not a successful owner. TB12 can be. At new england.
I am not dissing these QB's, but would anyone put Theismann, Williams, or Rypien in the Top 25 NFL QB's of All-Time? Bill could only suceed with the G.O.A.T. ENOUGH SAID.
As always,I shoutout Curran for being the only reporter in this city to tell the truth about Belichick. Siciliano calling it ridiculous shows he’s out of touch with the history of the Pats and how they have gotten here. You cant argue that Belichick from 02-09 was fully Belichick either. The team was 5-11 the year before Bledose’s spleen was ruptured and Brady took the reigns. Let’s stop this
Bill was famous for not over playing for offensive super stars and knowing when let players go. That approached worked as long as Brady was there and now that he's gone it's hard to win the way the rules favor the passing game.
The problem with Parcell's theory is that you have a grandma that cooks a mean dinner who is so cheap she shops at Cosco and buys Triple Sec for the holiday punch when the recipe calls for Cointreau.
Us old Bucks that go way to the 60s recognize this performance, we watched basically 40 years of terrible football. They had a few good seasons sprinkled in before 2001-02. This team is a 1990-1992. They need a complete Reset in Foxboro. They can’t allow Belichick to pick the players. Curran is right, Bill can’t evaluate good offensive players.
Let's just throw out all the offensive players he has drafted for 20 years that have worked out from several OL to RBs to TEs that have had borderline HoF careers and success at other teams. He hasn't found a HoF WR so he must not be able to evaluate talent.
@@donywahlberg He has drafted two All pros in the past 10 years. One was a kicker and one was on special teams. The talent gap is one reason I think Brady got out of town. It’s been four years since Tom left town. Do you like the direction we are going? He got rid of Meyers, Macs best receiver for for only knows why and let Folk go for a kicker that sucks. Bill can’t even judge talent that is playing right in front of him. Hell he wanted to move on from Tom. How many more years do you want to field a team that has almost no talent? The fact is Bill without Tom is way below 500. That’s just how it is.
1:54 did anyone else notice how he cut Tom off in the middle of his sentence and started talking as if it was the intro to the video. That was weird, and Tom was very confused about that Wth. 😂😂
I wonder if the players after last year are tired of Belichicks crap. And they are liked you showed us you didn't care ( hiring Patricia and Judge)about our team why should we care.
you gotta blame Kraft too its his money, his team he could have stepped in anytime and said hey no we arent gonna get this player get these instead. Get this wr because we havent had a great one since Moss, Fix the line and these guys are gonna do it so bring them in they are proven and solid Bill. He could have did that at any time way before brady left. So Kraft is as much at fault as Bill.
12:00 Bill isn't coaching great SPECIFICALLY on offense. I still think he's one of the best defensive minds in football but that just isn't enough when your roster decisions and offensive coaching is downright terrible.
bill is a great HC I think he just needs to be a HC, we need a GM. the pats have a solid solid defense. top 5 when healthy and Offense can give them a break, the offense and its weapons suck
The mathematical model here, that took years to perfect, has New England at #30 currently with a chance to get to #32 by the end of the season. In all the years (since 2005) of running the model, NE has never been lower than #14...
It’s sad when a fanbase loses hope with their team. But for Patriots fans, who had the best 20 years of any fan base of any sport, it’s kind of satisfying. They’ve become inept as handling adversity and that’s been enjoyable to watch.
Was it really that great as a fan tho? When you think about having to defend your team from all the BS scandals every couple years, wether it was the tuck rule, deflategate, or spygate, constantly having to argue with the haters saying the superbowls need an asterik, and Patriots only winning cause they cheat.....Meh it was alright lol
Pats fan. Bill has too much equity (6 rings, 330 wins) to be fired midseason. The Patriots are likely a 3-4 win team. This will likely lead to a total reboot this offseason - New GM, Coach and QB.
If the Patriots don't tank Robert Kraft has to fire Bill Belichick, we would be guaranteed at least a top 3 pick if we don't win another game and we'd have the most cap space to help build around our next Qb. Patriots will have over $100m in cap space next season we can sign a OL and number 1 WR in the off-season
Pats fans 24 years old and younger have to be shell-shocked since Brady left. They lived their entire existence only knowing their favorite team to always be great. This has to seem like one prolonged episode of The Twilight Zone to these young Pats fans.
Starting over with NO PLAYMAKERS means a plodding slog of an offense trying to save Mac Jones from himself. So far this season, Jones has looked like a cross between Mike Glennon and Nathan Peterman. You can't do your job in today's NFL without elite talent.
This is why national guys can suck. Siciliano is so off on BB. He is toast and he sucks right now. It's over and no team should consider hiring him. All the Boston sports radio callers are the ones who are right, we've seen this now for 5 yrs (including Brady's final year here). They aren't very good and the arrow is pointing straight down.
Bill is not the reason for the Mac giving the cowgirls 14 of there 28 points in the first half. And giving the Saints all the momentive with his pick 6 in first quarter! And his fumble was even worse! Tons of coaches miss on qbs. I thought Mac was good. We need a change. We also lost our two best defense players last week, one of which bill belichick selected himself in the first round. We need to chill. We will get back it takes time. We need a new qb first I believe!
Pats need a top 3 pick, but they still need almost an entire new offense. This is a few year project, and that’s only if they really hit on the right new players and coaches. If not, this could be a decade+ project like the rest of the AFC East went through before Brady left. And I guess the Jets are still going through
I think they mutually part ways and he coaches the cowboys or LA Chargers. Team that already has a Solid QB and weapons and all he has to do is get the defense right
The vultures are certainly out with Belichick struggling but I can say for sure that Mac Jones stinks and his attitude is worse. None of the players are buying into the culture now that Brady, Mccourty and Edleman are gone.
The Patriots should have had a package of plays for Malik week 1 already and added to it each week. But Bill is too stubborn to adapt to modern football
Appreciate Andrew speaking up defending Bill and drawing the line that it is ridiculous to run him out of town. It's not just ungrateful for the memories and emotions his teams have provided the fans but it's stupid analytics because the things he has always been known for coaching are still working out pretty fine. His "nepotism" hasn't destroyed the defense by installing Mayo and Steve B so now people have to blame the offensive on field results on him. If Zappe or Malik or even Mac simply turn this around and win some games and don't look inept these takes are going to look so dumb.
Tom isn't my favorite locally. He definitely has sources but his opinions and analytical stuff always lean towards drama and clickbait. It's obviously unacceptable results but there are several analysts and former professionals who are not as negative on the roster and Bill's job security as Tom and other local reporters are. Let's see how we handle LV after the offense changes and then see where the Bills are for the next game. They're the only team losing more defensive starters than the Pats and it's the NFL nothing is for certain.
The guy won for 15 straight seasons which means they are never in line to draft the next impact player. So they don't get Top 10 picks. They rarely got Top 25 picks. Forever. At some point, the talent level is going to drop. You are going to miss since there are few can't misses available. At some point, just like when he started at New England, you will have some tough years. The expectation that he win every year is irrational. This will be the first season they are eliminated from the playoffs before December in memory and that is only if he doesn't turn it around.
Thats not a legitimate excuse to miss so frequently on offensive players, he has no problem finding talent in any round on defense, and the receivers he does take on offense 80% of them are not even in the league anymore lol and guys that was drafted after the players BB picked are superstars in the league, Nkeal Harry over guys like DK Metcalf, AJ Brown, and Deebo Samuel....Or how about taking Sony Michel over Nick Chubb smh there's plenty of talent late 1st round and even 2nd round
@@Psycho_Logical_631 He is an exceptional defensive coach. One of the best of all time, perhaps the best. So he can get the most out of his defensive players. Every team misses on players, but when you are continually at the back end of the draft, you are not going to get that exceptional talented guy to anchor your team. There is no Nick Bosa. No Penei Sewell. You get what is left.
@@richardprescott5939 He can't evaluate offensive talent. Period. He succeeded because Brady took whatever crap he was handed, and won games with it while taking pay cuts every year.
@@JustinStrifePay cuts allowed them to get other players. For that Brady improved his team. But Brady could punt the ball for most of his career and get it back in better field position . Much easier to throw it away on third down when you get the ball back. And Brady bailed and went to another team with a ton of talent.
@@richardprescott5939 Here's other aspects of Brady's game that almost NO ONE talks about. His offense were known for doing long scoring drives that ate up time on the clock and allowed his defenses the ability to rest. They also rarely had a consistent run game, so Brady's dink and dunk passes that people made fun of him for, were in affect, their run game. It's really easy to see which fans are the casuals and who aren't. lol
lol isah wynn was smashing people this year at guard for miami - everything has reversed itself. players used to leave miami and shine in NE. Isaiah was playing near pro level at the beginning of the year I think. just hurt his neck vs giants. 4:15
Your being a bit extreme with your take on Wynn. He's been average at best nowhere near playing at a pro bowl level. He has a grade of 49 on PFF which is well below average. And if you watch the film the Dolphins constantly have Connor Williams double teaming blocking the same man because he's the weakest link on the line. Wouldn't be shocked if he's out of the starting lineup in the next week or two. As Robert Jones has come off of IR. And last season he played pretty well at guard who started in like 7 games last season at guard and posted a respectable 62 grade.
Go figure losing players like brady edleman james white gronk 3 olinemen and coaches like ivan fears dante scarnecchia ernie adams and josh McDaniels would impact a franchise media just pushing the narrative that bill and tom were the only people on the team so it has to be brady vs bill
+ Hightower, Mccourty, injuries to Strange, Onwenu, Thornton, Judon, Gonzalez, The Jones' etc people just regurgitate the same garbage they hear other people say they don't follow the team
Here is another bellicheck spot: Vegas. They cant fire mcdaniels because they are out of money, but they restructure his deal so that he can be an OC under bill for a four year deal, and give bill four years with some non gaurnteed money on the back end. Keep the GM in place but give bill some control of player personel and suddenly you have an in game coach with an okay roster thats mostly familiar with how bill does things
Brady made Belichick look much much better than he is. Bill was a perennial loser before coming to Patriots and Brady. Now he's back to mediocrity like he used to be. Brady is the GOAT. Belichick is a coattail rider.
Tom Curran is a jumping in front of the line to stab Cesar in the back.. what a slime ball to treat a man that gave the region decades of excitement and pride. People are ready to move on be ready to for years of being nothing but the bottom of the barrel.
Everything you are saying about Belichick as GM is accurate. You lightly touched on the real issue which is: what happened in the middle of these five games? They looked competitive and decent against two excellent teams. They got a win, not pretty, but a win nevertheless against the Jets. Then two disasters. Everything you were saying explains the long-term trend, but does not explain the precipitous decline within these five games this season. What shifted in these five games? Mac Jones punched Sauce Gardner in the n*ts. That was the shifting point. Mac Jones does not have the respect of his players, or anyone on the field. The coaches are blind to this. Mac Jones may have better fundamentals in practice, but Zappe has poise, leadership skills, and the respect of his teammates. Mac Jones is not a leader. Leaders get stronger in the face of adversity. I don’t mean better statistics. I mean they dig deep inside and come out with fire and ownership. Mac Jones gave a 12 minute press conference of non answers. That is when I saw there is nothing inside him to lead this team in the right direction.
Said all of this from day one. Draft scouts had Jones as a 5th round pick and the Pats took him in the 1st. Thats a lot of pressure on a young QB that frankly , doesn’t have the arm talent , nor can carry a team on his back , and is a horrible leader
Dont. Forget this is the man who took us to the promised. Land not once but dix times hes forgot more football than allot of people have ever known if the patriots let belichick go it hauntus he. Will be the new york giants head coach his dream job
Mac Jones was never a good Qb, he started off bad (as do most rookies tbf) then had a pretty good stretch then starting in that Bills game we won when Mac completed TWO passes he's been terrible.
Rich was sooooo right when he told Brockman "Welcome to the rest of us." after Brady left New England lol
Yes, I totally recall that line and I've stolen it in talking about New England post Brady. Thanks Rich.
It's a good line because it doesn't exactly mean you suck it just means you lost your golden ticket EZ Pass that made the journey smoother.
Last two games are objectively bad but the saga of Mac Jones overall is very much a saga the "rest of us" group were used to dealing with.
Not that many people failed to notice how great and important Brady was. I didn't see us becoming the very worst team so fast, but it was clear the days of perpetual contender were over barring another miracle player acquisition.
Love how open and honest Tom is
He's acting ridiculous here
@@DontKillFriends??
he is too smug.
bozo
@@ManuelRodriguez-mg8km He's listening to too much talk radio/debate shows. The Brady/Belichick debate when they were one entity for 20 years is so stupid. One person is never responsible for everything. That 13-3 Super Bowl against the Rams #1 offense doesn't just get erased because Mac Jones sucks. That said, it is fair to criticize Bill's inability to draft offensive talent, because there does seem to be something going on for about 10 years there. Still, it's such a manufactured debate.
He does have a losing record without Brady, not an opinion, fair to say.
I grew up with the late 70s Pats through today. Todays fans are completely delusional to think that the success that we’ve had for 20 years is sustainable. Eventually you have to tear it all down and rebuild. When you decide to do that it’s a COMPLETE top down process. We all fell for the same trap with the Celtics post Bird. It took an ownership change and firing everyone 10 years AFTER Bird retired before Ainge was hired and brought in Doc. Then the big trades and great drafts. It took another 5 years to become a champion again! That’s where we’re at! These players like N’Keal Harry and Isaiah Winn, Cole Strange, and on and on. It’s the same as the Dee Browns and Eric Motross stiffs that the Celtics fans lived with for a DECADE before Danny came in. Time to clean house, and rebuild bring in a young GM let them bring in their own coach and start over!
As a long time suffering Jets fan and much of that suffering at the hands of Bill and the Pats. The humanity makes it difficult to relish this new Patriots era. But I am managing just fine…….
My favourite part of this is 9:10 to 9:20 where he stops himself from saying “once you get sh!t together”. Cracked me up. Great save!
Love listening to Tom. He's been covering the PATS for a long time. That he knows what he's talking about. Other commentators just talk nonsense..
I mean he's talked some nonsense as well not too long ago. By saying that Tua isn't any better than Mac Jones. It's fine if you want to believe in Jones and say he needs more help. But Tua was in an even worse position in his first two seasons in the league. Had an even worse O-Line much worse weapons no running game and worse offensive coaching around him and a HC who didn't want him and belittled him all the even did it in front of the team on occasions. And yet Tua played at an average level.
He has sources due to that tenure as a newspaper reporter for the team prior to NBC but I caution you to take everything he says with a grain of salt. He doesn't have a football professional background to be taken seriously when he grades a player, he is just reactive to stuff on TV.
His main job is to run a daily show for NBC and his job is to keep viewers glued, and the obvious way to do that is to speak down on the team when that's what the fanbase is already doing. All that said Tom seems like a nice guy who is good at media, doesn't mean he is always correct or reflective of reality.
He was swearing up and down till September that Mac Jones was the answer and Patricia was the root of all problems...just like the fans...and now Tom is walking that back and saying Bill failed to build a roster so it's his fault.
That's why I'm here, the real story.
Excellent, TOM. Thanks for the insight...you are a competent straight shooter.
Gotta listen to him more often if you want to call him a straight shooter. In the preseason he was swearing Mac was the guy and Patricia was the problem, but now that it's not working he is blaming Bill for the roster that he previously had confidence in.
@@donywahlbergpeople can be wrong and change their opinions. I know, it’s a strange concept
Well at least he was half correct in his pre-season assessment...Patricia! @@donywahlberg
Let Malik play the second half in Vegas. Kraft should get a new GM immediately, before BB does any more damage. All the nepotism in BB's little realm must be reevaluated with a clear, cold eye, and an offense-oriented new head coach must be chosen after the season ends. Mayo is great on defense.
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Juju signing is a massive head scratcher
A clear #2 or 3 WR
Your not alone. I never could understand that decision.
if they would have signed Dhop too then it would have made sense but to sign just a #2 receiver when we have a roster full of them didnt make sense. And to pick up a bunch of no body tackles didnt make sense either.
@@y0ungbuddha759 Screams the need for a true GM, but you know Bill’s ego won’t let that go down , so what can you do ?
@@FlpDScrp Well nothing if Kraft don't make a change nothing will change. Get a Gm and Bill can have input but not spend atleast for offense and keep him as just simply the head coach. If he leaves hes gonna go to a superbowl ready team watch. But he can turn this season around if he gets proven younger pieces which is gonna cost future draft picks which is ok as long as they are good to great players. 2 real Tackles and A #1 field stretcher via trade will make a difference. use up the 2025 picks.
Great Boston accent
I don’t hear it - unless Tom was quoting a fan
@@Victory1507ci He did just a few lines in the Boston accent
I remember the rod rust pats. I was 10-11 years old. I remember when they drafted ray agnew & eugene chung for some reason
Where is the quote of Bill talking to Tom before a game against the Giants, Bill says something to the effect of, it's the same old guys at the Giants organization as when he was still there, commenting on the stagnant nature of the organization.
It would be hilarious if Craft keeps Bill as GM and hire Joe Judge as head coach.
Here is an idea. Bring back TB12. As assistant oc, oc, qb coach, assistant qb coach, anything, any role, just bring him back.
Bruh kraft mentioned Brady as his son. Yet silent about giving him a minor percentage of the club.
Tom is a minority owner for raiders, do the math.
@@payzcpt8200 a u 4 real. He was intended to be a minority owner for the dolphins. Craft should have offered him, could still offer him a stake. Would what he then do? Lets see go back to the pkace that made him. Save the patriots. Become a bigger legend. MJ was not a successful owner. TB12 can be. At new england.
@@gjulia312 craft isnt iin his right mind. He will get there. He has rarely been pushed by the fans.
I am not dissing these QB's, but would anyone put Theismann, Williams, or Rypien in the Top 25 NFL QB's of All-Time? Bill could only suceed with the G.O.A.T. ENOUGH SAID.
Tank for Caleb get the Lions OC let someone else picks the offensive weapons another 10 years of success
Holy moly. Tom opened up a can on squidward. He knocked the stuffing out of bill.
Told the truth and has been telling the truth that a lot of people cant accept or hear
@timster1143 especially insular Massachusetts people. Facts are facts 🤷🏽♂️
I’m looking forward to the Jakobi Meyers revenge game
Bill is a terrible general manager and just an average head coach since brady left
As always,I shoutout Curran for being the only reporter in this city to tell the truth about Belichick. Siciliano calling it ridiculous shows he’s out of touch with the history of the Pats and how they have gotten here. You cant argue that Belichick from 02-09 was fully Belichick either. The team was 5-11 the year before Bledose’s spleen was ruptured and Brady took the reigns. Let’s stop this
Bill was famous for not over playing for offensive super stars and knowing when let players go. That approached worked as long as Brady was there and now that he's gone it's hard to win the way the rules favor the passing game.
The problem with Parcell's theory is that you have a grandma that cooks a mean dinner who is so cheap she shops at Cosco and buys Triple Sec for the holiday punch when the recipe calls for Cointreau.
Us old Bucks that go way to the 60s recognize this performance, we watched basically 40 years of terrible football. They had a few good seasons sprinkled in before 2001-02. This team is a 1990-1992. They need a complete Reset in Foxboro. They can’t allow Belichick to pick the players. Curran is right, Bill can’t evaluate good offensive players.
Bill can't evaluate WR* there I fixed it.
@@TheFifapro44Or kickers.
Let's just throw out all the offensive players he has drafted for 20 years that have worked out from several OL to RBs to TEs that have had borderline HoF careers and success at other teams.
He hasn't found a HoF WR so he must not be able to evaluate talent.
@@donywahlberg He has drafted two All
pros in the past 10 years. One was a kicker and one was on special teams. The talent gap is one reason I think Brady got out of town. It’s been four years since Tom left town. Do you like the direction we are going? He got rid of Meyers, Macs best receiver for for only knows why and let Folk go for a kicker that sucks. Bill can’t even judge talent that is playing right in front of him. Hell he wanted to move on from Tom. How many more years do you want to field a team that has almost no talent? The fact is Bill without Tom is way below 500. That’s just how it is.
"Mutual parting of the ways" sounds nice.😇
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1:54 did anyone else notice how he cut Tom off in the middle of his sentence and started talking as if it was the intro to the video. That was weird, and Tom was very confused about that Wth. 😂😂
Did you ever listen to these interviews that are also just audio? They do that all the time.
@@Tubalcain422 I watch a ton of these and don’t see that often. At least not to that extent forsure
I wonder if the players after last year are tired of Belichicks crap. And they are liked you showed us you didn't care ( hiring Patricia and Judge)about our team why should we care.
New England has been tormenting the league for years.
Welcome to the rest of us.
Suck it !!!😊
you gotta blame Kraft too its his money, his team he could have stepped in anytime and said hey no we arent gonna get this player get these instead. Get this wr because we havent had a great one since Moss, Fix the line and these guys are gonna do it so bring them in they are proven and solid Bill. He could have did that at any time way before brady left. So Kraft is as much at fault as Bill.
12:00 Bill isn't coaching great SPECIFICALLY on offense. I still think he's one of the best defensive minds in football but that just isn't enough when your roster decisions and offensive coaching is downright terrible.
Love the ears
Damn man. Now you know he could hear you typing this
Even fans of Tony Eason are besides themselves
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I bet Bill ends up with the New York Giants if he leaves and Giants fired their Coach 👍👍👍
We’ll take him!
Couldn’t happen to a nicer coach…I hope Bill never wins another game! Pats have had enough success, their time is over!
Siciliano seems a bit too confident in the Patriots… they’re definitely in contention for a top 5 pick
Why isn’t Malik in the conversation ? Overall Pats need players and players with talent … mostly on offense
Malik can't throw. Did you see his college career?
It sounds to me that everyone is saying Bill can't evaluate talent.
I live in Boston and have been a Pats fan since the early 70’s. This is the worst offense I have seen.
Bill needs to go regardless of his past.
bill is a great HC I think he just needs to be a HC, we need a GM. the pats have a solid solid defense. top 5 when healthy and Offense can give them a break, the offense and its weapons suck
“We already had our Vietnam, now you’re gonna have your’s”
Sam Trautman (Rambo part 3)
Surprised Tom didn't tell everyone how great his hair looks these days.
The mathematical model here, that took years to perfect, has New England at #30 currently with a chance to get to #32 by the end of the season.
In all the years (since 2005) of running the model, NE has never been lower than #14...
It’s sad when a fanbase loses hope with their team. But for Patriots fans, who had the best 20 years of any fan base of any sport, it’s kind of satisfying. They’ve become inept as handling adversity and that’s been enjoyable to watch.
Was it really that great as a fan tho? When you think about having to defend your team from all the BS scandals every couple years, wether it was the tuck rule, deflategate, or spygate, constantly having to argue with the haters saying the superbowls need an asterik, and Patriots only winning cause they cheat.....Meh it was alright lol
MALIK CUNNINGHAM
Glad for the Cheatriotz🎉
What if Josh McDaniels gets fired he has once again shown he is not a head coach and returns to NE?
25-29 post brady
What? The BB coaching tree is horrible. They have about the same record as BB without Brady. .450 3 or 4 Playoff wins.
Belichick to the cowboys
When I heard Curran say a few weeks ago that Mac Jones was just as good if not better than Tua he immediately lost all credibility
Pats fan. Bill has too much equity (6 rings, 330 wins) to be fired midseason. The Patriots are likely a 3-4 win team. This will likely lead to a total reboot this offseason - New GM, Coach and QB.
Bring on Malik.
If the Patriots don't tank Robert Kraft has to fire Bill Belichick, we would be guaranteed at least a top 3 pick if we don't win another game and we'd have the most cap space to help build around our next Qb. Patriots will have over $100m in cap space next season we can sign a OL and number 1 WR in the off-season
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pats fans 24 years old and younger have to be shell-shocked since Brady left.
They lived their entire existence only knowing their favorite team to always be great. This has to seem like one prolonged episode of The Twilight Zone to these young Pats fans.
How about BB back with Terrific Tom coaching the Raiders? Micky D can become the coordinator. Where he belongs
Starting over with NO PLAYMAKERS means a plodding slog of an offense trying to save Mac Jones from himself. So far this season, Jones has looked like a cross between Mike Glennon and Nathan Peterman. You can't do your job in today's NFL without elite talent.
This is why national guys can suck. Siciliano is so off on BB. He is toast and he sucks right now. It's over and no team should consider hiring him. All the Boston sports radio callers are the ones who are right, we've seen this now for 5 yrs (including Brady's final year here). They aren't very good and the arrow is pointing straight down.
Andrew has a mammoth set of ears
I'm worried Mayo will be the same as Bill.
Bill is not the reason for the Mac giving the cowgirls 14 of there 28 points in the first half. And giving the Saints all the momentive with his pick 6 in first quarter! And his fumble was even worse! Tons of coaches miss on qbs. I thought Mac was good. We need a change. We also lost our two best defense players last week, one of which bill belichick selected himself in the first round. We need to chill. We will get back it takes time. We need a new qb first I believe!
They have to get rid of Belicheck, just take the power away from him and hire a GM at least.
O- line. O-Line OH LINE !
Pulling for 1-16 and Bill is gone or at least Bill the GM.
We aint gonna be good enough to pick 12th
Pats need a top 3 pick, but they still need almost an entire new offense. This is a few year project, and that’s only if they really hit on the right new players and coaches. If not, this could be a decade+ project like the rest of the AFC East went through before Brady left. And I guess the Jets are still going through
heartbreaking to see this fall so far apart.
I think they mutually part ways and he coaches the cowboys or LA Chargers. Team that already has a Solid QB and weapons and all he has to do is get the defense right
cowboys don’t have a defence problem
Dak is not a solid QB unless they are playing a bad defense.
Coaching wasn't the issue, it's the lack of talent he brought in.
The vultures are certainly out with Belichick struggling but I can say for sure that Mac Jones stinks and his attitude is worse. None of the players are buying into the culture now that Brady, Mccourty and Edleman are gone.
Bench Mac or trade him
The Patriots should have had a package of plays for Malik week 1 already and added to it each week. But Bill is too stubborn to adapt to modern football
He’s too old.. it’s time for him to retire like most 70 year olds..
Yeah, all they're good at is farting at that age
Appreciate Andrew speaking up defending Bill and drawing the line that it is ridiculous to run him out of town. It's not just ungrateful for the memories and emotions his teams have provided the fans but it's stupid analytics because the things he has always been known for coaching are still working out pretty fine.
His "nepotism" hasn't destroyed the defense by installing Mayo and Steve B so now people have to blame the offensive on field results on him. If Zappe or Malik or even Mac simply turn this around and win some games and don't look inept these takes are going to look so dumb.
Greatest coach ever but simultaneously the worst GM ever
Tom isn't my favorite locally. He definitely has sources but his opinions and analytical stuff always lean towards drama and clickbait.
It's obviously unacceptable results but there are several analysts and former professionals who are not as negative on the roster and Bill's job security as Tom and other local reporters are. Let's see how we handle LV after the offense changes and then see where the Bills are for the next game. They're the only team losing more defensive starters than the Pats and it's the NFL nothing is for certain.
1-5 now. Probably 1-7 if not 1-9 before their next possible win...
The guy won for 15 straight seasons which means they are never in line to draft the next impact player. So they don't get Top 10 picks. They rarely got Top 25 picks. Forever. At some point, the talent level is going to drop. You are going to miss since there are few can't misses available. At some point, just like when he started at New England, you will have some tough years. The expectation that he win every year is irrational. This will be the first season they are eliminated from the playoffs before December in memory and that is only if he doesn't turn it around.
Thats not a legitimate excuse to miss so frequently on offensive players, he has no problem finding talent in any round on defense, and the receivers he does take on offense 80% of them are not even in the league anymore lol and guys that was drafted after the players BB picked are superstars in the league, Nkeal Harry over guys like DK Metcalf, AJ Brown, and Deebo Samuel....Or how about taking Sony Michel over Nick Chubb smh there's plenty of talent late 1st round and even 2nd round
@@Psycho_Logical_631 He is an exceptional defensive coach. One of the best of all time, perhaps the best. So he can get the most out of his defensive players. Every team misses on players, but when you are continually at the back end of the draft, you are not going to get that exceptional talented guy to anchor your team. There is no Nick Bosa. No Penei Sewell. You get what is left.
@@richardprescott5939 He can't evaluate offensive talent. Period. He succeeded because Brady took whatever crap he was handed, and won games with it while taking pay cuts every year.
@@JustinStrifePay cuts allowed them to get other players. For that Brady improved his team. But Brady could punt the ball for most of his career and get it back in better field position . Much easier to throw it away on third down when you get the ball back. And Brady bailed and went to another team with a ton of talent.
@@richardprescott5939 Here's other aspects of Brady's game that almost NO ONE talks about. His offense were known for doing long scoring drives that ate up time on the clock and allowed his defenses the ability to rest. They also rarely had a consistent run game, so Brady's dink and dunk passes that people made fun of him for, were in affect, their run game.
It's really easy to see which fans are the casuals and who aren't. lol
lol isah wynn was smashing people this year at guard for miami - everything has reversed itself. players used to leave miami and shine in NE. Isaiah was playing near pro level at the beginning of the year I think. just hurt his neck vs giants.
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Your being a bit extreme with your take on Wynn. He's been average at best nowhere near playing at a pro bowl level. He has a grade of 49 on PFF which is well below average. And if you watch the film the Dolphins constantly have Connor Williams double teaming blocking the same man because he's the weakest link on the line. Wouldn't be shocked if he's out of the starting lineup in the next week or two. As Robert Jones has come off of IR. And last season he played pretty well at guard who started in like 7 games last season at guard and posted a respectable 62 grade.
Go figure losing players like brady edleman james white gronk 3 olinemen and coaches like ivan fears dante scarnecchia ernie adams and josh McDaniels would impact a franchise media just pushing the narrative that bill and tom were the only people on the team so it has to be brady vs bill
+ Hightower, Mccourty, injuries to Strange, Onwenu, Thornton, Judon, Gonzalez, The Jones' etc people just regurgitate the same garbage they hear other people say they don't follow the team
Love the NE dysfunction ❤
Here is another bellicheck spot: Vegas. They cant fire mcdaniels because they are out of money, but they restructure his deal so that he can be an OC under bill for a four year deal, and give bill four years with some non gaurnteed money on the back end. Keep the GM in place but give bill some control of player personel and suddenly you have an in game coach with an okay roster thats mostly familiar with how bill does things
Curran is such a hater. I don’t get the Zappe hate. He’s just mad that his boy toy, Mac, is trash.
Brady made Belichick look much much better than he is. Bill was a perennial loser before coming to Patriots and Brady. Now he's back to mediocrity like he used to be. Brady is the GOAT. Belichick is a coattail rider.
Tom Curran is a jumping in front of the line to stab Cesar in the back.. what a slime ball to treat a man that gave the region decades of excitement and pride. People are ready to move on be ready to for years of being nothing but the bottom of the barrel.
You don't know how to start over bc you've never coached 😅😂
Huh? I can’t believe he thinks Bill can win more games has he not looked at our schedule smh sounds delusional
Everything you are saying about Belichick as GM is accurate. You lightly touched on the real issue which is: what happened in the middle of these five games? They looked competitive and decent against two excellent teams. They got a win, not pretty, but a win nevertheless against the Jets. Then two disasters. Everything you were saying explains the long-term trend, but does not explain the precipitous decline within these five games this season. What shifted in these five games? Mac Jones punched Sauce Gardner in the n*ts. That was the shifting point. Mac Jones does not have the respect of his players, or anyone on the field. The coaches are blind to this. Mac Jones may have better fundamentals in practice, but Zappe has poise, leadership skills, and the respect of his teammates. Mac Jones is not a leader. Leaders get stronger in the face of adversity. I don’t mean better statistics. I mean they dig deep inside and come out with fire and ownership. Mac Jones gave a 12 minute press conference of non answers. That is when I saw there is nothing inside him to lead this team in the right direction.
Said all of this from day one. Draft scouts had Jones as a 5th round pick and the Pats took him in the 1st. Thats a lot of pressure on a young QB that frankly , doesn’t have the arm talent , nor can carry a team on his back , and is a horrible leader
Man I thought that dude was going to fly off his chair with those ears
Dont. Forget this is the man who took us to the promised. Land not once but dix times hes forgot more football than allot of people have ever known if the patriots let belichick go it hauntus he. Will be the new york giants head coach his dream job
Why do you put this stupid disclaimer about lies you think President Trump may say and never do this when Biden is spewing his lies?
This team isn’t winning anymore games this season
Put $ on it
Bill is playing chess while the other GM's are playing checkers??? Too bad it is a checkers tournament!
Mac Jones was never a good Qb, he started off bad (as do most rookies tbf) then had a pretty good stretch then starting in that Bills game we won when Mac completed TWO passes he's been terrible.