Four soggy electric cars were stuffed into a 40 foot container and locked. One of the flooded cars caught fire, blew up the container, and burned all four of them. When you ship household goods, you are supposed to guarantee that the shipment is responsibly thought out and safe. This box could have done infinite damage.
When you ship household goods they are not supposed to get submerged in seawater. I suppose ship passed through storm, lots of rolling, car get damaged and seawater got in contact with Lithium. Fortunately inside of container were not old family albums or antique furniture.
@@mladenmatosevic4591 The cars were already supposed to be destroyed. They should not have been shipped anywhere. I hope they pursue the shipper for damages and fines, their fault.
I retired from Matson Navigation as an engineer 20 years ago. FIRE situations were always on the back of my mind. Matson carried most of the cars to Hawaii, many in 40 ft containers stacked down into the cargo holds. The longitudinal bulkheads of the holds were FUEL OIL tanks. I could not even imagine a lithium battery car catching fire down there, halfway to Hawaii.
Patrick basically says that the vehicles involved were electric cars that had salvage titles ( as some states call them ) that were water damaged during the hurricanes in Florida this year.
@@ronblack7870The problem with that comparison being that an ICE car within a confined space will burn for a relatively short time until oxygen runs out. Because a lithium battery has both fuel and an oxidizer, it will continue to burn whether there is oxygen or not.
@@ronblack7870 That is just poor manufacture by Fords or poor maintenance. Things just don't happen there is a cause. Generally if a car is in an accident it doesn't burst into flames.
@@wgowshipping that's a bunch of Ship Sal!, exporting water damaged EV's is ridiculously dangerous, saw Patrick(and his glorious Stache!) for the first time today on that video, very well explained.
@@rorywynhoff1549 it's not the location Rory, it's the fact that it has to be in a container which adds shrapnel to the mix... actually the location DOES matter, as if this explosion had occurred aboard a ship it could have been a real disaster with lives lost and a possible sinking or chance of other vehicles going up as well.
Good call to send us to Patrick, however, I'd already seen the post. Two years ago, about 3 miles outside Gainesville, Fl traffic came to a halt because of a massive fire as a commercial car carrier's cars and trailer were ablaze. Once the fire burned down a crane was brought in to put the remnants into flat beds to haul away. When the crane started picking up the smoldering mess it was found that much of the cars had melted and were literally dripping away from the jaws of the crane. The cars? Only one was gas powered, the other four were electric. The fire started in a Rivian pickup.The heat of the blaze also burned a substantial hole in the asphalt pavement requiring detours for two days. Imagine that on a ship at sea?
Detours for two days? From a hole in the asphalt? Something does not jibe there. In Maryland back in 2008, we had an ICE engine fire do that in a 3' by 4' section of the roadway down to the ground under the roadway. 18 hours later, the hole was permanently fixed, and traffic was back to normal.
Was the "electrical" vehicle a pure EV or a hybrid? According to National Transportation Safety Board data, of every 100,000 vehicles of each type sold, 25 pure EVs, 1,530 internal-combustion vehicles and 3,500 hybrids catch fire.
Interesting comment, but what I would like to know is the magnitude of impact, or consequences when each type catches fire. And how do so many ICE vehicles catch fire?
Looks like it was a pure electric that had been flooded by seawater in the storm surge. Nothing corrodes electrical connections as quickly as salt water. This vehicle should have been scrapped, not shipped.
@@matthewdonoghue321 Gasoline is flammable and is run through multiple lines and connections from the tank to the engine. Oil is also flammable and can exit the engine via failing gaskets/seals. If you have a turbo or an external oil filter then there are additional lines/connections for oil to flow through and potentially leak. Both of those flammable fluids are flowing around and near very hot engine components.
@matthewdonoghue321 that's one of those statistics that doesn't tell the whole story. Many ICE vehicle fires are due to crime e.g. insurance fraud or burning a vehicle to destroy evidence or as a result of a crash. Very few spontaneously ignite, and that data isn't recorded separately. A getaway driver isn't going to choose an EV and there is no market for stolen EVs.
Been following StacheD for a while. He recently did a video comparing time to put out a gas vehicle fire vs an EV fire. Time on site for the gas fire was ~20 minutes, EV hours, and had to be monitored for weeks.
At least it happened at the port and not 1000 miles out to sea! 👍🤠 That could have been a mess if a 20K TEU carrier had that loaded towards the bottom of the stack.
According to international insurance stats EVs are 50 times less likely to cause vehicle fires, it's all BS. The only truth about it is, if an EV with NMC batteries burns, it is hard to extinguish, many EVs are LFP batteries though, that are extremely unlikely to burn and are easy to extinguish. So short story, EV fires are a media myth and in reality very rare.
@@jamesphillips2285 I knew the details of this before this video. They're still EVs. Also, don't forget that several ships have been sunk by brand new EVs.
That's very interesting for me because, for some reason, I've seen that recommended video about this explosion already yesterday and was thinking about what Sal is adding to it. Nothing 😂 and this is mentioned as a compliment. There is just a respectful hand in hand of two experts, where one is saying, "Hey, all is already said, just look at this other expert." 👍thanks, Sal, for your professionalism. Others would have made their "own" story about it.
You can't sell totalled vehicles in the US. But you can overseas. It was used vehicles on Costa Grande d'Avario that killed the two Newark firefighters
@@wgowshipping I'll beg to differ about not being able to sell totaled vehicles in the USA. It's done all the time, but the title has to declare that it was a total loss. Some are rebuilt, most are parts cars.
Most EVs are totalled after a collision or submersion, as they are deemed dangerous. Even a minor damage to the battery could cause a fire. Also Li-on batteries are not recycled, it's too expensive... But I guess in other countries the rules are different!
@@wgowshipping again, all things seemingly rotate to that dude, who runs an auto mechanic shop in one of the 'Stans in West Asia (He was interviewed in an article from NPR, about a New Jersey car, totaled in flooding in that region, that ended up in that dude's car lot). He simply wondered how the F it got to him in the middle of former soviet 'stans...
@@DR_1_1 Actually the batteries can be recycled and historically it was done by burning the batteries. Newer process is to use some seriously nasty chemicals / solvents. But hey, who pays attention to this while EVs are saving the planet ‽
I've been subbed to StacheD Training for about a half year now, also MGUY Austrailia, his latest covers this incident also. It appears ev's aren't what they're cracking em up to be. Lion batteries do need more careful attention than what they're getting imo. Good show Sal! 👍🤠
It's interesting to me that motorised wheelchairs and leisure batteries in RVs don't have the same issues even when they use Lion batteries rather than the older and heavier lead acid batteries. That suggests production problems rather than with the theory. A relatively large number of batteries needing to be produced rapidly to meet a surge in demand for EVs and bikes. I've (*touch wood) never known of a battery fire with wheelchairs unless there was an obvious issue such as damage to the casing
Thanks Sal, Juan Brown sent me here for the Dali. Now you have turned me on to a new channel. Especially for technical or legal information, I only want to hear from a channel that another TH-camr that I trust says to listen to this person. A lot of garbage on TH-cam. Thanks again for the recommendation.
Loads of really interesting (and more than a little terrifying!) stuff on the StacheD channel. 👍 I'd be really interested to know if there have been any changes (or even considerations) being made in the wider shipping industry about this risk, since the only thing that stopped this explosion from occurring on the ship was timing. Given it seems to be a salvaged & flooded EV that caused the fire, my immediate thought when I saw Patrick's video yesterday was "how many damaged EVs are being shipped around the world _inside_ containers like this?" RORO fires are bad enough, but at least the EV hazards are a known quantity... a bunch of salvaged EVs in a container feels like a disaster waiting to happen.
I think we'll be seeing a lot more of these types of incidents Sal! (I wonder how 'automated handling systems' will handle fire-fighting? Thanks for sharing Sal!
Thanks Sal for pointing to Patrick Incredible video, maybe when you're in an advisor you can push through legislation to address safely shipping EVs. Car shipping in containers is also shown large amount of US stolen cars appearing in African countries, that might be an easier bit of legislation for the Congress to pass,
Incredible is probably a very appropriate word, as in 'not credible'. The guy is clearly anti EV, but to his credit, he does state that the vehicles should have been scrapped and were damaged by salt water. So they should not have been in that container in the first place. Someone is clearly acting illegally and needs to be brought to book for the offence.
Was waiting for you to hit on this topic, having already been following StacheD Training. Was curious as to what you would be saying about the safety issues of how these surprises are handled if they happen aboard the ship at sea. Enjoy your videos and commentary.
HAH! Jokes on you Sal, I already watched it. :) I was wondering when you would get to it and I am happy to see you reviewed the vid and determined "Good Job!" and let others know. Always a pleasure seeing folks not hammer a subject unnecessarily. I am *quite* certain more problems in shipping will float our way that will require your further analysis. I had never seen Mr. Stache prior to his vid a couple days ago so win, win. Peaceful Skies
Sal, at least when I watched this video, none of the links you "point to" near the end of this video were there. No big deal but it is a pet peve of mime that Utubers will say here is some video and point but there is no link. But none the less, your videos are great and I watch all of them. Thanks for your efforts.
Just require shipping those batteries as hazardous materials- those often need dedicated specialized shipping containers and are placed in dedicated spots both on land and ship.
Working in a busy English port, I often see containers full of "three-bird-roast" ... ... car-in-a-van-in-truck type of shoving, pushing and squeezing the most amount of metal in a steel box ... Heading to Africa, what a surprise ... Anyway, MERRY CHRISTMAS, and "Bon vent et bonne mer..." Best regards from Essex County, UK. 🇬🇧🤝🏻🇺🇲
ok but thanks for this, genuinely! He came across my feed but I didn't recognize him, thought I'd just wait for one of my trusted channels. And here you are saying "he's good" so off I go...
We need to stop shipping complex commercial products and have 'ports' that accept end-of-life stuff and render it down into raw feedstocks for new-product-poopers on the other side. Just feed in an old Tesla S and collect a new Aptera on the other side of the port.
What do you think about adding vents to shipping containers to prevent explosions? The vents could also be used as a way to spray water into the container to flood it.
I watched Patrick’s video the other day, I agree - it is excellent. I have a background in solid and hazardous waste and when I saw the explosion my first thought was lithium ion batteries.
For reference, always put links in your shownotes (video description) and or a pinned comment. The "on-screen" TH-cam thing just doesn't work for me and for many.
From a fire safety point of view, pure EV's (Battery Electric Vehicles, or BEV's) are by far less likely to catch fire than a fossil fuelled car, and even less likely to do so than a hybrid, The NTSB publishes figures per 100,000 vehicles of each type to back this up. About 25 in 100,000 BEV's will catch fire at some point in their life. Compare this with 1,500 liquid fuelled vehicles per 100,000 and 3,500 hybrid vehicles per 100,000, and you will see that out fires in of all vehicle types only just under 0.5% of them occur in pure EV's. 1 in 200. Because of their rarity, BEV fires make emotive headlines and attract viewers and readers. The media often ignore the fact that a burning car is a hybrid, and report it as an EV, either by mistake or by design. Fossil fuelled vehicle fires rarely even make local news, because they are too common, at 30.25% of all vehicle fires. Remember too that there is a massive campaign being carried out, encouraged by big oil companies, to dissuade people from buying EV's. It has been going on for more than a year, so far. This is failing, however, because more and more people are starting to see through the deceptions, and worldwide sales of fully electrical vehicles are still rising. And there are notable lands in which there will be a complete ban on the sales of fuel-burning vehicles within the next 5 to 15 years. China accounts for about 30% of the global car market, and most of the cars which are being sold in that country are now BEV's. In Norway, 82% of all cars sold were BEV's in 2023; a rise from 79% in 2022. Several other European countries with larger markets than Norway, including France, Germany and the U.K. are seeing similarly rising BEV uptakes. ICE vehicles are standing unsold for longer and longer periods on forecourts in quite a few countries around the planet, including China, USA, European countries, and Australasia. I don't have much information about most of Asia, the Middle East, South Africa or South America, but it's likely that they will see similar swings towards BEV's.
"Electric" is used in front of a device or machine that runs on electricity. It is used when the object has been specified. "Electrical" is used in a more general sense, as in referring to ambiguous nouns. (By ambiguous, I mean unspecified, e.g. machine, appliance). "electrical" is also used when the object is specified, but the object is not run on electricity, but is related to electricity, i.e. Electrical engineer.
How about a update on the SS United States situation? Seems like the Coast Guard says the ship is unseaworthy. And now the new owners are being fined for every day it stays.
He did a good job, saw it yesterday. Kind of scary what happened with those cars. But all had bad titles as he pointed out. Title washing is a serious problem.
Did the algorithm feed anyone else a Chevrolet electric vehicle commercial leading into Sal's story about an electric vehicle fire? That's why you don't put your faith/life to artificial intelligence.
THAT's who you remind me of "Martin" the barber in Gran Torino (John Carroll Lynch). A very underrated actor. Took the barber joke for me to figure it out. I appreciate I'm probably the only one that sees it though.
On Feb 6 2023, the CTIF, aka International Association of Fire and Rescue Services, posted an article, “Extreme fire risk with EV´s exposed to salt water - Coast Guard issues alert to not allow on ships” due to lithium battery fires. I’m guessing this latest incident will be further data.
Oh Gee Whiz. What happened to the Golden Ray when all of those gasoline cars with a few gallons in their tanks caused the fires in the car decks? Gasoline vehicles had sunk or almost sunk many ships. Given the right circumstances, almost anything can go bang when it comes to vehicles.
Every country should be forced to take care of/recycle their Ev’s after they have been condemned after an accident. To ship dangerous vehicles like this around the world inside a shipping container puts a lot of people in danger. A export ban on damaged EV’s should be put in place immediately
Those lithium ion batteries still cannot be made safe. This started with phones & laptops catching fire, to planes catcching fire, and flooded car batteries setting housefires. Does anyone know if chemical engineers are making progress on it?
My advice? Don't ship devices with more energy in batteries than a stick of dynamite. Collarary: if you can't remove the batteries to ship it safely, that's a problem with the device.
Four soggy electric cars were stuffed into a 40 foot container and locked. One of the flooded cars caught fire, blew up the container, and burned all four of them. When you ship household goods, you are supposed to guarantee that the shipment is responsibly thought out and safe. This box could have done infinite damage.
Thanks. Time saver.
When you ship household goods they are not supposed to get submerged in seawater. I suppose ship passed through storm, lots of rolling, car get damaged and seawater got in contact with Lithium. Fortunately inside of container were not old family albums or antique furniture.
@@mladenmatosevic4591 The cars were already supposed to be destroyed. They should not have been shipped anywhere. I hope they pursue the shipper for damages and fines, their fault.
@mladenmatosevic4591 Why did you reply? Is this on subject?
As the aging firefighter once said: The less hair there is on my head. the less fuel there is for the red devil".
"We both share the same barber" -- best line ever!
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Same here... and I don't even live in America.
I retired from Matson Navigation as an engineer 20 years ago. FIRE situations were always on the back of my mind. Matson carried most of the cars to Hawaii, many in 40 ft containers stacked down into the cargo holds. The longitudinal bulkheads of the holds were FUEL OIL tanks. I could not even imagine a lithium battery car catching fire down there, halfway to Hawaii.
No fire could withstand a challenge from that mustache
Like the guy from Fire Department Coffee. He even has his own stickers.
Fenton.
@@Daniel-Weaver but my mustache doesn't come off 😉
StacheD is getting lots of play on this one. Cool to see!
Appreciate you checking it out.
Patrick basically says that the vehicles involved were electric cars that had salvage titles ( as some states call them ) that were water damaged during the hurricanes in Florida this year.
Cope. There have been a bunch of cases of EVs just spontaneously combusting.
What’s your point? Both EV and non EV cars have their own unique issues. Also learn how “cope” is used before you try new memes. 😬
@@RobertCraft-re5sf and there have been ford f-150's do the same since the 70's
@@ronblack7870The problem with that comparison being that an ICE car within a confined space will burn for a relatively short time until oxygen runs out. Because a lithium battery has both fuel and an oxidizer, it will continue to burn whether there is oxygen or not.
@@ronblack7870 That is just poor manufacture by Fords or poor maintenance. Things just don't happen there is a cause. Generally if a car is in an accident it doesn't burst into flames.
Appreciate it!
Your stache is FIRE!!!
You rock!!
I love your channel!!❤
That barber comment made me pause for a moment 😂
Yeah me too.
Great line.
That's the only reason I had to look at the comments.
@@maurice7978 🤣🤣
Sal, thanks for the referral.
NHTSA should be all over these events.
Way ahead of you Sal... I already follow Patrick, and watched that vid yesterday
I had so many people send me Durham's video I figured that I would just send everyone to him.
I love Patrick’s channel. It is Awesomeness Extreme!
…nice shirt…
Just went and watch the video and subscribed to his channel. Sal, you are a class act. Giving credit to the individual that did the reporting.
Agreed , Great channel StacheD Training. thanks Sal.
Merry Christmas and God Bless ❤
Don't blame electric vehicles. Blame the clown that put four seriously damaged vehicles in a shipping container.
That is my point. We ship our problems overseas and they cause issues on ships.
Money to be made I suppose and stuff the consequences.
@@wgowshipping that's a bunch of Ship Sal!, exporting water damaged EV's is ridiculously dangerous, saw Patrick(and his glorious Stache!) for the first time today on that video, very well explained.
It was going to go up in flames no matter where it was.
@@rorywynhoff1549 it's not the location Rory, it's the fact that it has to be in a container which adds shrapnel to the mix... actually the location DOES matter, as if this explosion had occurred aboard a ship it could have been a real disaster with lives lost and a possible sinking or chance of other vehicles going up as well.
It's always a pleasure Sal ! 👍
Two of my favorite channels. StacheD is awesome and so incredible informative about the risks of batteries.
"oh I heard about this from some fireman with a mustache"
Sal: "so let's start with that video"
😂 I'm glad I get recommendations for good channels now
Thank you Sal, that’s the way to do it.
Good call to send us to Patrick, however, I'd already seen the post. Two years ago, about 3 miles outside Gainesville, Fl traffic came to a halt because of a massive fire as a commercial car carrier's cars and trailer were ablaze. Once the fire burned down a crane was brought in to put the remnants into flat beds to haul away. When the crane started picking up the smoldering mess it was found that much of the cars had melted and were literally dripping away from the jaws of the crane. The cars? Only one was gas powered, the other four were electric. The fire started in a Rivian pickup.The heat of the blaze also burned a substantial hole in the asphalt pavement requiring detours for two days. Imagine that on a ship at sea?
Detours for two days? From a hole in the asphalt? Something does not jibe there.
In Maryland back in 2008, we had an ICE engine fire do that in a 3' by 4' section of the roadway down to the ground under the roadway.
18 hours later, the hole was permanently fixed, and traffic was back to normal.
another information packed episode, Sal. Thanks for all your hard work.
I follow Mr. Durham’s channel.🎉
It was a great report. Very irresponsile whoever shipped those cars. Definately a big problem. Thanks Sal!
"We share the same barber".... It actually took me a few seconds for this to sink in, LOL.
Was the "electrical" vehicle a pure EV or a hybrid? According to National Transportation Safety Board data, of every 100,000 vehicles of each type sold, 25 pure EVs, 1,530 internal-combustion vehicles and 3,500 hybrids catch fire.
Interesting comment, but what I would like to know is the magnitude of impact, or consequences when each type catches fire. And how do so many ICE vehicles catch fire?
Looks like it was a pure electric that had been flooded by seawater in the storm surge. Nothing corrodes electrical connections as quickly as salt water. This vehicle should have been scrapped, not shipped.
The worst part about EV and Hybrid fires is the lack of awareness. They are Class D fires, but treated like Class A's in many cases.
@@matthewdonoghue321 Gasoline is flammable and is run through multiple lines and connections from the tank to the engine. Oil is also flammable and can exit the engine via failing gaskets/seals. If you have a turbo or an external oil filter then there are additional lines/connections for oil to flow through and potentially leak. Both of those flammable fluids are flowing around and near very hot engine components.
@matthewdonoghue321 that's one of those statistics that doesn't tell the whole story. Many ICE vehicle fires are due to crime e.g. insurance fraud or burning a vehicle to destroy evidence or as a result of a crash. Very few spontaneously ignite, and that data isn't recorded separately.
A getaway driver isn't going to choose an EV and there is no market for stolen EVs.
Good stuff ,thanks for sharing this with us
Captain Patty’s mustache game is on point.
Been following StacheD for a while. He recently did a video comparing time to put out a gas vehicle fire vs an EV fire. Time on site for the gas fire was ~20 minutes, EV hours, and had to be monitored for weeks.
At least it happened at the port and not 1000 miles out to sea! 👍🤠 That could have been a mess if a 20K TEU carrier had that loaded towards the bottom of the stack.
EV = Exploding Vehicle
BYD = B'rn Your Driver.
@@pro-libertatibusno byd in US, so try again. BYD battery chemistry doesn’t burn like Li batteries.
According to international insurance stats EVs are 50 times less likely to cause vehicle fires, it's all BS.
The only truth about it is, if an EV with NMC batteries burns, it is hard to extinguish, many EVs are LFP batteries though, that are extremely unlikely to burn and are easy to extinguish.
So short story, EV fires are a media myth and in reality very rare.
If you watched the other video: you would know that these were salvage titles, including at least one flood damaged Tesla.
@@jamesphillips2285 I knew the details of this before this video. They're still EVs.
Also, don't forget that several ships have been sunk by brand new EVs.
Excellent Sal!
Cool shirt. Thank you for you professional and interesting reports. Have a nice holiday and I wish you a good new year.
I’ve been subscribed to both of your channels for some time now. I consider you both essential watching.
That's very interesting for me because, for some reason, I've seen that recommended video about this explosion already yesterday and was thinking about what Sal is adding to it. Nothing 😂 and this is mentioned as a compliment. There is just a respectful hand in hand of two experts, where one is saying, "Hey, all is already said, just look at this other expert."
👍thanks, Sal, for your professionalism. Others would have made their "own" story about it.
I watched Patrick’s video. 👍😄. So what is the purpose of shipping accident-damaged (or submerged in water) vehicles overseas?
You can't sell totalled vehicles in the US. But you can overseas.
It was used vehicles on Costa Grande d'Avario that killed the two Newark firefighters
@@wgowshipping
I'll beg to differ about not being able to sell totaled vehicles in the USA.
It's done all the time, but the title has to declare that it was a total loss.
Some are rebuilt, most are parts cars.
Most EVs are totalled after a collision or submersion, as they are deemed dangerous. Even a minor damage to the battery could cause a fire.
Also Li-on batteries are not recycled, it's too expensive...
But I guess in other countries the rules are different!
@@wgowshipping again, all things seemingly rotate to that dude, who runs an auto mechanic shop in one of the 'Stans in West Asia (He was interviewed in an article from NPR, about a New Jersey car, totaled in flooding in that region, that ended up in that dude's car lot). He simply wondered how the F it got to him in the middle of former soviet 'stans...
@@DR_1_1
Actually the batteries can be recycled and historically it was done by burning the batteries. Newer process is to use some seriously nasty chemicals / solvents. But hey, who pays attention to this while EVs are saving the planet ‽
Good on ya mate 🤠
LoVe The Short format!
Great to so you share the love. ❤
If this had happened with that container way down in a stack, problems!
"We both share the same barber."😂😂😂
Thanks Sal
I've been subbed to StacheD Training for about a half year now, also MGUY Austrailia, his latest covers this incident also.
It appears ev's aren't what they're cracking em up to be. Lion batteries do need more careful attention than what they're getting imo.
Good show Sal! 👍🤠
It's interesting to me that motorised wheelchairs and leisure batteries in RVs don't have the same issues even when they use Lion batteries rather than the older and heavier lead acid batteries. That suggests production problems rather than with the theory. A relatively large number of batteries needing to be produced rapidly to meet a surge in demand for EVs and bikes.
I've (*touch wood) never known of a battery fire with wheelchairs unless there was an obvious issue such as damage to the casing
Thanks Sal, Juan Brown sent me here for the Dali. Now you have turned me on to a new channel. Especially for technical or legal information, I only want to hear from a channel that another TH-camr that I trust says to listen to this person. A lot of garbage on TH-cam. Thanks again for the recommendation.
I had no idea we were "brothers"--I volunteered for 20 years until life happened and I had to give it up.
Very honourable.
Loads of really interesting (and more than a little terrifying!) stuff on the StacheD channel. 👍 I'd be really interested to know if there have been any changes (or even considerations) being made in the wider shipping industry about this risk, since the only thing that stopped this explosion from occurring on the ship was timing. Given it seems to be a salvaged & flooded EV that caused the fire, my immediate thought when I saw Patrick's video yesterday was "how many damaged EVs are being shipped around the world _inside_ containers like this?" RORO fires are bad enough, but at least the EV hazards are a known quantity... a bunch of salvaged EVs in a container feels like a disaster waiting to happen.
Classy move. 👍
Those evs are a blast to own!
"...we share the same barber...." LOL it took me second but that was funny!
I think we'll be seeing a lot more of these types of incidents Sal! (I wonder how 'automated handling systems' will handle fire-fighting? Thanks for sharing Sal!
Great share, thanks
An infomercial Sal? Thanks.
Thanks Sal for pointing to Patrick Incredible video, maybe when you're in an advisor you can push through legislation to address safely shipping EVs.
Car shipping in containers is also shown large amount of US stolen cars appearing in African countries, that might be an easier bit of legislation for the Congress to pass,
Incredible is probably a very appropriate word, as in 'not credible'. The guy is clearly anti EV, but to his credit, he does state that the vehicles should have been scrapped and were damaged by salt water. So they should not have been in that container in the first place. Someone is clearly acting illegally and needs to be brought to book for the offence.
Were they BYD vehicles?
I follow Patrick too.
He knows his stuff
Was waiting for you to hit on this topic, having already been following StacheD Training. Was curious as to what you would be saying about the safety issues of how these surprises are handled if they happen aboard the ship at sea. Enjoy your videos and commentary.
HAH! Jokes on you Sal, I already watched it. :)
I was wondering when you would get to it and I am happy to see you reviewed the vid and determined "Good Job!" and let others know. Always a pleasure seeing folks not hammer a subject unnecessarily. I am *quite* certain more problems in shipping will float our way that will require your further analysis. I had never seen Mr. Stache prior to his vid a couple days ago so win, win.
Peaceful Skies
The office looks festive!
These appear to be wrecks, unusable in the US but dumped in other countries. Someone's making money I suppose.
Chiggity-China.
many go to eastern uerope. most written off teslas go to ukraine. these were not teslas
Sal, at least when I watched this video, none of the links you "point to" near the end of this video were there. No big deal but it is a pet peve of mime that Utubers will say here is some video and point but there is no link. But none the less, your videos are great and I watch all of them. Thanks for your efforts.
We really need removable batteries in those things.
That wouldn't help. They'd still have to ship the batteries.
@@randomnickify Nah, just ban those batteries.
Just require shipping those batteries as hazardous materials- those often need dedicated specialized shipping containers and are placed in dedicated spots both on land and ship.
Sounds good but if they cannot survive shipping, they probably cannot provide dialy use with safety that is much better
@@randomnickifyok, but aren't Ev's already designated as hazardous goods? So isn't this a bit redundant?
Patrick does some damn good work and I recommend going to his channel as well
Classy move.
Way to Pay It Forward.
Working in a busy English port, I often see containers full of "three-bird-roast" ...
... car-in-a-van-in-truck type of shoving, pushing and squeezing the most amount of metal in a steel box ...
Heading to Africa, what a surprise ...
Anyway, MERRY CHRISTMAS, and "Bon vent et bonne mer..."
Best regards from Essex County, UK. 🇬🇧🤝🏻🇺🇲
ok but thanks for this, genuinely! He came across my feed but I didn't recognize him, thought I'd just wait for one of my trusted channels. And here you are saying "he's good" so off I go...
We need to stop shipping complex commercial products and have 'ports' that accept end-of-life stuff and render it down into raw feedstocks for new-product-poopers on the other side. Just feed in an old Tesla S and collect a new Aptera on the other side of the port.
What do you think about adding vents to shipping containers to prevent explosions? The vents could also be used as a way to spray water into the container to flood it.
The only car I personally have knowledge of burning up was a coworker’s Dodge Magnum which spontaneously caught fire in his driveway 20 years ago.
I am starting to think you are the cause of all these marine disasters just so you have fresh content. Really like your videos.
I watched Patrick’s video the other day, I agree - it is excellent. I have a background in solid and hazardous waste and when I saw the explosion my first thought was lithium ion batteries.
For reference, always put links in your shownotes (video description) and or a pinned comment. The "on-screen" TH-cam thing just doesn't work for me and for many.
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How ironic, the commercial before this video was for an electric vehicle
From a fire safety point of view, pure EV's (Battery Electric Vehicles, or BEV's) are by far less likely to catch fire than a fossil fuelled car, and even less likely to do so than a hybrid, The NTSB publishes figures per 100,000 vehicles of each type to back this up. About 25 in 100,000 BEV's will catch fire at some point in their life. Compare this with 1,500 liquid fuelled vehicles per 100,000 and 3,500 hybrid vehicles per 100,000, and you will see that out fires in of all vehicle types only just under 0.5% of them occur in pure EV's. 1 in 200.
Because of their rarity, BEV fires make emotive headlines and attract viewers and readers. The media often ignore the fact that a burning car is a hybrid, and report it as an EV, either by mistake or by design. Fossil fuelled vehicle fires rarely even make local news, because they are too common, at 30.25% of all vehicle fires.
Remember too that there is a massive campaign being carried out, encouraged by big oil companies, to dissuade people from buying EV's. It has been going on for more than a year, so far. This is failing, however, because more and more people are starting to see through the deceptions, and worldwide sales of fully electrical vehicles are still rising. And there are notable lands in which there will be a complete ban on the sales of fuel-burning vehicles within the next 5 to 15 years.
China accounts for about 30% of the global car market, and most of the cars which are being sold in that country are now BEV's. In Norway, 82% of all cars sold were BEV's in 2023; a rise from 79% in 2022. Several other European countries with larger markets than Norway, including France, Germany and the U.K. are seeing similarly rising BEV uptakes. ICE vehicles are standing unsold for longer and longer periods on forecourts in quite a few countries around the planet, including China, USA, European countries, and Australasia.
I don't have much information about most of Asia, the Middle East, South Africa or South America, but it's likely that they will see similar swings towards BEV's.
"Electric" is used in front of a device or machine that runs on electricity. It is used when the object has been specified.
"Electrical" is used in a more general sense, as in referring to ambiguous nouns. (By ambiguous, I mean unspecified, e.g. machine, appliance). "electrical" is also used when the object is specified, but the object is not run on electricity, but is related to electricity, i.e. Electrical engineer.
How about a update on the SS United States situation? Seems like the Coast Guard says the ship is unseaworthy. And now the new owners are being fined for every day it stays.
He did a good job, saw it yesterday. Kind of scary what happened with those cars. But all had bad titles as he pointed out. Title washing is a serious problem.
Same barber lol, good one :)
Batteries and bombs are both energy storage devices. Usually, the difference is in the rate of discharge.
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Was breathing that in today, was wondering to myself where is the fire down here, that smoke was seen at the airport in Fort. Lauderdale
Hey! I have that same shirt.
Did the algorithm feed anyone else a Chevrolet electric vehicle commercial leading into Sal's story about an electric vehicle fire? That's why you don't put your faith/life to artificial intelligence.
What shocks me is shipping a water damaged or crash damaged EVs could have sunk a ship with lives
No danger there at all with those EVs.
THAT's who you remind me of "Martin" the barber in Gran Torino (John Carroll Lynch). A very underrated actor. Took the barber joke for me to figure it out. I appreciate I'm probably the only one that sees it though.
I have been following him for a few months now.
BTW I still miss my ARFF time
I know that barber
Hey...if you are home, we need to do a video.
Lithium batteries are pretty dangerous.😬
Specially Chinese kind
So, Sal, where's your 'stache?
Nice shirt
On Feb 6 2023, the CTIF, aka International Association of Fire and Rescue Services, posted an article, “Extreme fire risk with EV´s exposed to salt water - Coast Guard issues alert to not allow on ships” due to lithium battery fires. I’m guessing this latest incident will be further data.
I watched his video. Never once mentioned Bab El-Mandeb.
Oh Gee Whiz. What happened to the Golden Ray when all of those gasoline cars with a few gallons in their tanks caused the fires in the car decks? Gasoline vehicles had sunk or almost sunk many ships. Given the right circumstances, almost anything can go bang when it comes to vehicles.
Containers- are cars transported in containers? I normally see cars Driven on to a ship
Every country should be forced to take care of/recycle their Ev’s after they have been condemned after an accident.
To ship dangerous vehicles like this around the world inside a shipping container puts a lot of people in danger. A export ban on damaged EV’s should be put in place immediately
Figures you would have gotten a landside job that still involved massive amounts of water.
Those lithium ion batteries still cannot be made safe. This started with phones & laptops catching fire, to planes catcching fire, and flooded car batteries setting housefires. Does anyone know if chemical engineers are making progress on it?
My advice? Don't ship devices with more energy in batteries than a stick of dynamite.
Collarary: if you can't remove the batteries to ship it safely, that's a problem with the device.