Fatima Bhutto and Marc Lamont Hill | Studio B: Unscripted
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- The very first episode of Studio B: Unscripted sees award-winning author and activist Fatima Bhutto in conversation with celebrated host, academic and writer Marc Lamont Hill as they compare notes on the various ways injustice and oppression work across the world.
Bhutto and Lamont Hill explore everything from the politics of activism to the impact that the military industrial complex has had on pop culture - everything from films like Zero Dark Thirty to World Wrestling Entertainment.
With six best-selling books under her name, Fatima comes from the Bhutto political dynasty in Pakistan, she is the niece of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, and her father was brutally killed although those responsible have not yet faced justice.
Lamont Hill is a professor at Temple University in the US, a writer and media personality. During the show, they surprise each other with the similarities between the African American experience of police brutality and oppression in the United States, and Pakistan's own record of political violence.
Bhutto's latest book, The New Kings of the World, is an inside look at how Bollywood, Turkish soap operas and K-Pop are challenging the cultural dominance of the US around the world. Lamont Hill is also one of the presenters of digital talk series, Black Coffee.
Combining insight, emotion and a bit of humour, our guests go on to discuss why speaking up for the Palestinians - or indeed any repressed people - could cost you dearly, as experienced by Lamont Hill, the way feminism can be usurped by power or racism, and the hidden messages in pop culture.
The views expressed in this programme are the guests' own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial stance.
Studio B, Unscripted is a free flow conversation between two guests and a small audience, with no mediation, no MC, no TV presenter ... focusing on what brings us all together and how we can tackle and discuss some of the big issues of our time.
Editor's note: This programme was recorded before the latest news about Colin Kaepernick.
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Fatima Bhutto would never speak about her family corruption and bad governance in the Sindh province of Pakistan because she has also benefited from it, and now she participates in international forums on human rights and other issues. It's a wonderful world, we are living in, where morality has a different meaning when it comes to corrupt and powerful people.
@Khan... totally agree. Great points. I would say she is full of contradictions.
False. She and her murdured father Murtaza's breakaway party were completely against the Bhutto-zardari dynasty of corruption. They even partially accuse them of assassinating him. Fatima has no relations to Zardari or Benazir, she lived far away in exile for most of her life.
Murtaza and Shahnawaz were committed to progressive, Islamic socialist, pro Arab, anticolonial policies of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto while they were abandoned and countered by Benazir and Zardari.
Zulfiqar championed relations with Syria, Libya, the PLO, and their likes. He was fully committed to the Arab liberation wars against the zionist entity. Murtaza (fatima's father) and Shahnawaz (her young uncle) both trained with Palestinian and Lebanese guerrillas with the support of Libya and Syria against pro western capitalist reactionary, Gen Zia.
@@supra1722 Thank you for countering the falsehood.
I am vehemently opposed to the politics of Bhuttos, including the politics of Shahnawaz and Murtaza. Their politics was never for the people or for any causes. It was always for the establishment/restoration of the dynastic politics, and Bhuttos continue to the most damaging dynasty in Pakistan, which is saying a lot when they have stiff competition from the Sharif dynasty.
Fatima’s father Murtaza was assassinated by the government when her aunt was the PM. She has stayed away from the politics of Bhuttos and has always spoken truth to power. She is an exceptionally impressive Pakistani.
@@Thothali I sympathize with your aversion to dynastic politics. I believe young Shahnawaz and Murtaza were youthful idealists, believers in third world solidarity and revolution against capitalism and feudalism. Meanwhile, the mainstream PPP and its followers have long become a cult of personality worshippers, much like the PML as you noted. I particularly admire the revolutionary allies and company Murtaza and Shahnawaz kept while waging their struggle against imperialist-backed Gen Zia.
actually she has... You choose to ignore. She has raised concerns about her father's death around the time right before, her aunt, Benazir became the leader of PPP. I was born in Sindh. We know the Zardari/Bhutto Klan quite well
Martin Luther King, Jr., stated that “the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” But I struggle with believing this. I think injustice becomes more cunning in how it is applied - especially when the tools of supposed justice, are in the hands of those that benefit from injustice. I hope that the arc will bend towards justice - but I think we cannot wait for it to happen. It requires us to fight. We need to honestly point out injustice and the true reasons for injustice - even if it is painful to face. “I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being, first and foremost, and as such I'm for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” Malcom X
I could listen to either of them for hours, but together, I don't want the conversation to stop
watched this and loved it! Marc needs to be on al jazeera all the time please
Wow!!! What a discussion!!! Honest, Daring and Caring.
Love to have more of These great discussions, So much respect to Brother Marc.
I liked him the minute I learned why he was fired from CNN, Ehsan Khaibar.
How brave of Marc Lamont to address the united nations and inform the world of he plight of Palestinians
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My thoughts exactly.
mr Lamont, hail and saultations
"Pop culture identifies our solidarity with the powerful and never the powerless."
Wow, I'm so so so so so glad to see Marc... Because of you Marc I'll now full heartedly support Al Jazeera channel.
Marc welcome back 😊
20:07 Absolutely 💯. The double standards are visible miles away !!!
Her father was the elder brother of Benazir
He was murdered
As was the other older brother
She has benefited yes but also suffered and is an independent mind
Marc Lamont Hill is a strong individual
TRUTH MUST BE HEARD
AND CHANGE IS CONSTANT
Thank you
Let marc work in Al Jazeera please .
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Free Kashmir
What does free Kashmir mean? Why doesn't Pakistan free the part of Kashmir it occupies?
If it's free I will take it.
Great to see you again Marc...
This is the best unscripted ever. Isn't it?
Fantastic conversation! Every bit as relevant today as it was 4 years ago!
Marc is simply a genius
Nowhere close to Malcom x
This show should have a separate channel like head to head
Hassan Arshad head to head has a separate channel???? Which one?
Love this.. To powerful people encouraging each other to move forward. But also helping us to be informed
Well seeing Fatima talking about Pakistani problems was amazing.Someone who haven't visited Pakistan for years and generalizing the problems of APS kids killings, Blasphemy laws and Terrorism is an elitist view without having much on ground knowledge.
Who else do you guys have in the West, in the popular, youth culture, in the intelligentsia? Let her be.
she is right about many thingsand i respect her as a Pakistani but not this .she is also not right about ptm .its a movement supported by indians to create disturbance in Pakistan.
She’s the real heir of Zulfiwar Bhutto
Really interesting discussion. I liked the way they respected each other's and discussed raw and relavent issues from their perspectives. Extremely refreshing.
It's so refreshing to see someone express her Point of view from my country speak so openly in the west regardless of her background
Marc Lamont Hill is soooooooo beautiful! His soul, spirit, and truth is so wonderful.
Wow!! These two are soooo, intelligent, beautiful and refreshing. What a a beautiful dynamic collaboration/presentation with so much heart and intelligence, Love it!! You go Marc and Fatima. A Joy to watch!!
This is HIGH talk,loved every bit of it,
When she says im from pakistan i proud 🖒
If she say i m zaradri daughter? Then how u gna feel
@@alishah1516 ye zardari ki beti nhi hai tabhi ase hai , agr huti tuh ase or yahan na huti im right
exactly , there are very few people who go with it
Despite of listening to her opinions about Pakistan's lacking judicial system, corruption, minority oppression, state administered killings sanctioned by those in power, etc- if you still feel proud then there is something terribly wrong with your understanding of her views! Watch the video again.
@@devshreebhardwaj3096 Are u proud of being an Indian, even the same things happens in India or are you just in denial? One can love ones country even if u critisize it. The reason one gives constructive critique is hoping that it will bring betterment for the society. So if u are questioning the status quo, does not mean you cant be patriotic. I guess u also love india even though you dont want it to continue it to be a country where women are oppressed, raped and set on fire. on a daily basis
powerful talk
She talk about how corrupt her family is stealing from the poor and needy
Mohamed a fake prophet destroyed world peace.
"They want to protect the baby just for 9months" something that's more general phenomenon than he might be meaning
Ms Bhutto's family is responsible for alot of wrongs in Pakistan.
'Her family' from which she's been estranged for most of her life, and who took her father's life!
We can disagree with her politics .. doesnt make us opponents on the issues that plague the world now.
She is an apologist for her father and made him out to be some sort of a martyr, even though he presided over a reign of terror in which 2000 Pakistanis were killed, culminating in the hijacking of PIA airliner in which a newly married Pakistani Army officer was brutally murdered in cold blood and his body was thrown overboard on the tarmac.
It's the Zardaris
SahiwalCycling YT True.
Great show very enlighting and touching at same time thank you both x
This is a brilliant conversation; thumbs up!
@Ismail Sheikh only one person sounding like Trash ATM, and it aint Fatima Bhutto, Marc Lamont Hill or me!
@Ismail Sheikh Listen to what she is saying, and don't make stupid comments!
@Ismail Sheikh Oh so you are worse than I thought. Bye!
Very impresive discussion, love both of them, the hope for wishing better world is aive.
She should talk about Kashmir and Afghanistan also
She born in Kabul
No need, completely support her as a Pakistani. Its her own choice she is a writer not a politician.
ali Wazir why should she?
Kashmir issue is Solved in India..she must talk about POK and Balochistan.
India is too powerful to be bullied..
loved it! Marc needs to be on al jazeera all the time please he is the right guy always speak truth ....
This was such an amazing conversation. They should teach a joint seminar together at universities around the world.
I feel proud to hear ur mature comments on different topics
Al Jazeera got a good one in Marc
She is very influential personality i wish i meet her one day for some knowledgeable discussion
When u wana clean world start with ur home. Sory i m not against her i saw her first time in my life,, i respect her, but i wish evry single girl of sindh get education like her.
Lol...why you so surprised..??? Dont you know that all main stream news channels are run by zionist lobby.. which btw...also controlls the ECONOMY of United states of America0..??
She is not a politician .
Its not her fault what mess we are in . I am no fan of bhuttos but i wont blame a girl who grew without parents .
@@DD-fe2xw who stops her to write about this mess or talk about ds mess
but she just addressed the problem of lack of education
@@yasminea7149 not enough
I've always admired her for her intelligence!
@adam cohen please get yourself more educated on Islam before uttering such meaningless statements.
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Glad for Fatima - she's got a wise head on her young shoulders. Wish her journaling on social justice translates into activism on the ground as she has more power and help than the rest in South Asia.
Bonjour fatima bhutto vous êtes une femme très talentueuse et très confiante en terme d'écriture sur la vérité ce qui ressort clairement de ses livres et chroniqueurs écrits
This needs revitalized today Lamont.
This interview has so much truth, people, especially in US should listen to it.
Anything gets produce or created by Pakistan, It's 100% corrupted, layers, Do NOT TRUST and believe what those ISI, Pakistani politicians are saying,they're so corrupted any president serves in Pakistan as a president, after when their term of presidency finish, they go to prison serving time for corruption, bribery and bunch of other stuff, Including Bhutto family.
@@mattjoe67 only a non Pakistani like you knows the reality of Pakistan, Right!!
@@MUHAMMADSaadKhan730 It DOES NOT matter being a Pakistani or non Pakistani, your government (ISI) corruption is all over the news, look what your government doing to Afghanistan,If they are claiming they are an Islamic country, how could they train and send suicide attacks to Afghanistan and to the mosques, please try not to hide It It's all over the news they create terrorist.
I wish she had told that her father was killed during the rule of her Real sister of her father and by the husband of her Aunt Benazir Bhutto. The police officer who was responsible for this killing was promoted in her Aunt;s rule.
We are proud of Fatima Bhutto. She faced many problems and now she is living bravely with her own name.
So I am a white man - and I am against imperialism - and I am against the injustices of capitalism - and I am against racism - and I am against discrimination. I get the feeling that Fatima Bhutto, thinks that all white men are a part of the power structure that oppresses non-white people. I am a Buddhist and I practice compassion daily - I see suffering in all people - white and non-white. I want sufferring to end - for all people. That is why I am against the power structures that enable and continue sufferring. So saying the words "People of Color", is the language of the the white imperialist... and we need a different language to unite all the people repressed by the white imperialist. So the white imperialist, group you all together - to lessen the uniqueness and richness of each group - according to your thinking - so what words can we use to unite all people that are suffering due to the white imperialist? And is the color a person's skin a factor in being included? I suppose I cannot join this group, because I don't have enough melanin in my skin? Or can I join - because we are all no color people?
I became a fan of Marc Lamont after I watched this. It was mind blowing
So proud of you Fatima.
Two powerful people ❤️
FATI WILL NEVER TALK ABOUT HER GRANDPA BEING GREEDY IN 1971 AND LOST EAST PAKISTAN 😢😢😢
This whole conversation was wonderful, the ending, discussing Malcolm X and making new leaders, was a cherry on top
Woww Fatima Bhutto, I wanna see and listen to you more often
Indian Cricket players played with the Army Hat on .. like if they r in the war .
Culturally Educative, Superbly presented, Genuinely and Dinamically, a Wake up for all of us, based on facts, ;"Amazing +Superbly! We/the world do needs more of those; Educative +open discussion about topics that affects all of us! Also a deeply analysis /updates on ours directions +knowledge +priorities.
I really can’t blv he was fired Fromm CNN for his supporting of Palestine at the UN conference
Wowzers
Dr Marc is very smart and good human being
I m not a story teller but i tell u a story,, in Pakistan, Province of sindh 50 million ppls living out their,, faimly of fatima bhutto governing out their from last 30 years,,, situation is, a young guy died coz a mad dog bite him nd their is no medicine in any hospital to help that guy nd he died in hands of his mother while some one filming this,,, more then half of population their no hv clean water evin sm parts no water half of population living undr the line of poverty, no education for girls nd most of the boys,, honer killings evry where no police for rich ppls but evry poor in jail,, her father is in jail for corruption, main 5 ministers r in jail for corruption,,, her faimly sold Pakistan nd made properties evry where in world nd these facts in pakistn know evry single pakistani, u can ask any one or search at Google,,, my question to her b,, y dont u wrote a book about ur faimly what it did to 200 milion ppls
Marc's Arabic name pronunciation is accurate......wonder where he learned from...Great!!!
He says mainly self taught
Is this a praise each others book show?
Fatima you are my favourite, good luck.
It’s tragic what happened to her father. It was barbaric, extra judicial and inhuman. But it’s so convenient that she clearly ignores the fact that her father was involved in murders. It’s not black and white with her. Her father’s murder was a tragedy to her as a daughter. But her father yielded incredible power in Pakistan and he used it against his detractors. He employed violence too. She can’t white wash it.
Saman, very well said.
Two phenomenal, beautiful humanbeings sharing closely knit human experiences. Geniuses
MLH, good guy, nice performance
I really impressed by how beautifully talking about matters
Why we have bilawal bhutto instead her..this is unfair..
Bcz of zardogi
Yeah bhutto ka khoon hai. Is main aur bilawal main koi farq nahi. Achi baatein tv pe sab karte hain amal nahi. Zardari jesi hai kisi ki meeti zaban
we have Imran Khan and thank God for that
@@211160ifyMurtaza ki beti hai aur woh zulfikar ka beta tha asli janisheen aur waris ye aur iska bap tha ppp ka zardari ney sab cheen Lia insey aur ab bilawal zardari hai iski koi glti nhi bechari ko bura mat bolo
Marc is so cute he thinks Fatihmah Buhttoh has been opressed.
😂
No indication of that within this video.. stop with the bullshit.
Marc needs to be on al jazeera all the time .........
But whole Bhutto family murdered by Zardari
Love you Fatima.
Marc Lamont will run for president
Unfortunately the government of Fatima Bhutto aunty baynazir Bhutto the most corruption recorded by her aunts husband Asif Zardari who also killed Fatima s father for power
What a irony I am not against her as individual person but as Bhutto Clan who are one of the worst family who is ruling Pakistan for past 60 years yet in rural Sindh still looks like part of some part of africa. No education or basic health care providers. This family looted Pakistan mercilessly
would be good see miss Butto vs Christine Fair......
Sindh province ruled by Bhuttos , crippled with high corruption , largest peasent population , forced conversions yet she talks about Human Rights !!!?
While bashing Pakistan did she forget that her family has ruled Pakistan for 3 generations and is one of the major reasons for these conditions in Pakistan?
Fatima bhutto is like to kohinoor miamond I expect that she will back to Pakistan one day INSHA ALLAH
I miss the Fatima bhutto a lot in fact
Your father was honest person and great politician and you are like to same to your father ❤️❤️
Whats fatima Bhutto's claim to fame? political kim Kardashian ?
She's a journalist and a political commentator. She does benefit from being from a famous political family, but she's earned her stripes, unlike her cousin Bilawal.
That's is a grave injustice to this intellegent young female. Zardari and Benazir did not sideline her for no reason, as besides being intellengent she has an excellent understanding of overall worldview.
@@sidsid9808 she don't. So Plz don't even attempt to either
She was once quite beautiful... still not bad.
She is super misinformed about the death penalty stats in Pakistan. Wayyyyyy wrong
Would you please provide some official figures?
Your thinking doesn't mean anything. Many of us live in Pakistan and know her family. We know the founder of their political party. Diabolical mastermind
She has outdated stats and information about death penalties.
Can you deny there were a plenty of executions in PMLN era?
Best conversation b/w Marc sir and Fatima
Interesting conversation
She very wrongly said that many Christians were given death penalty on blasphemy. I challenge all of you to check and find a single person who was hanged on blasphemy. The people who were given death sentences were only terrorrists.
Why doesn’t she talk about the Bhutto family and how they stole from the treasury of Pakistan.
How the zardari clan are crooks too.
because she is against zardari?
Abid Din
Pakistan must become a meritocracy and not this pseudo monarchy that the elite think they can rule because of their name.
Bhuttos, zardari and shareefs are toxic.
Well…her case was unique in one sense…her aunt’s husband had him killed for disrespecting him. He went on to become President of Pakistan.
How do you go from saying [02:17] "Fiction is even more liberating in that sense because if were to tell people I've written a book about radicalism they may not really read it or want to talk about it but when you put it in fiction you can bring all kinds of dangerous ideas to people." to [08:28] "Pop culture is not innocent... ...It coded with all kinds of politics and we go to it innocently." This has hypocrisy written all over it. It is okay when you do it but you don't want others to do it.
Very good observation
You make a good point, however, I think the point you're missing (and what she should perhaps have made clearer) is she's talking about 'industry controlled/imperialist controlled pop culture driving a specific narrative and maintaining a status quo vs what she's trying to do with her fiction which is to disrupt or challenge these narratives.
It's like a fresh breath of air in today's idiot box 📺
Future Prime minister of Pakistan
I have a lot of respect for MLH. Her grandfather ZAB oversaw the oppression of the whole Bangali nation.
Mkoa, ZAB came into power after Bangladesh's independence. What are you trying to spread, OUTRIGHT LIES??
Yes but he was pulling the strings behind and braying against Banglis. There is a video of him doing so.
@@sidsid9808 How did that usurper get into power when Mujibur Rahman won 164 seats out of 300 seats?
He himself claims he had already been selected as the PM a yesr before despite Sheik MR wining majority of the seats?
He lost you BD for sheer greed of power. You need to understand history not be sychophants.
@Adam Balleyballey But he was in bed with Ayub Khan. He was his most powerful minister
@Adam Balleyballey
Why are Pakistanis behaving like ignorant RSS? Wherr is your Islam when it comes to dicussions. Just look at how many of you are using filthy language/swearing when you cannot defend your position.
Any suprised how you behaved with Bangalis? Raped and pillaged the whole country?
Nowbyou admit Zab kicked Ayub out and cmae to power in 1970, before the 1971 war started. He was pulling the strings.
aljazira. a great place for honest journalism.
Unless you talk about Qatar and their system maybe.
such a intelligent lady she is
Marc Lamont we follow yu here
outstanding
Such a poignant conversation this was... so grateful for your voice... thats hope! Great guest, have admired Fatima Bhutto from afar
fatima bhutto was never an oppressed person rather daughter of feudal lords the oppressors she had the best of everything best riches and education ....she knows nothing of oppression atleast maybe she sympathises with oppressed people but she hasnt xpeerienced it first hand
Two super humans.
If the young people have no vision for themselves for decent life they will take any vision offered to them! 👏
Hello Miss Bhutto,
I know this will be painful but would U consider writing a book on how UR father was killed? Who ordered it? Who planned it? Who funded it? Who benefitted? Who covered it? Everyone that took part in this injustice and what now?
She's already written one, her best selling memoir, called Songs of Blood and Sword. Terrific and haunting!
@Malik Ahmad that's her stepmother. Her biological mother was Afghan.
Extremely wrong information being quoted by Fatima about normal folks being sentenced to death in Pakistan since resumption of death penalty! This has not happened at all. Only terrorists involved in attacks were given these penalties.
what a lady we proud of you my dear sis