Tyra’s “I went to 25 go-sees in one day on the metro and I made them all” feels like the model equivalent of “I walked ten miles to school uphill both ways in the snow every day”.
If Tyra spent 8 hours going to 25 go-sees, that's less than 20 minutes a stop including travel time. Even at 12 hours that's less than 30 minutes per stop including travel time. Idk the average go see time, but I imagine that's incredibly fast
@@delmicortave and as jessica mentioned, irl, agencies help you out so that you make all your gosees. you're not left on your won. antm is a reality first and foremost.
They wanted to gaslight her because she was being smart and effective with her time. I'm sure had she been alone, without an ENTIRE camera crew, on a nationally televised show, she probably wouldn't have asked a stranger for help. She wasn't hurt, and she made her go sees; which was the point. Maybe they felt some type of way about how they dropped the ball with Adrianne and were projecting it onto her? Feels kinda like that, but be mad at yourselves, what does that have to do with Robin?
They definitely approached that conversation wrong, they definitely treated it like she’d broken a rule or given herself at an unfair advantage rather than that she’d done something that in any other circumstance you shouldn’t do. The only statement that I think could mean they were worried about her safety was “I would never advise a young model to do what you did today” and part of that sounds a bit like they’re covering their bases so they don’t seem like they’re recommending it to viewers. Objectively it is potentially dangerous to rely on a stranger to direct you where you’re going all day. He could’ve taken her anywhere. Granted she was being followed by a camera crew so the danger in this situation was low, that doesn’t mean she should do it in the future.
@@jydakota95 The problem for me was that they were back and forrh with their reasoning; at first they asked her if she felt like she cheated, and then said it was unsafe to do. Doing both makes the judges lose credibility, and even if they just stuck to believing she cheated, there was nowhere in the rules that she couldn't ask for help.
I have never ever seen one of these product photoshoots in an ad ever. And before I knew how terrible this show was, I was constantly looking for them, especially the ones I thought were awesome. I used to flip through every magazine I could see: cosmo, vogue, maxim, whatever. So my question: has anyone in these comments, especially the models and photographers, ever actually seen one of these ads?
I just googled Brad Pinkert. His hometown newspaper, The Buffalo News, printed a story about his appearance on ANTM. They wrote: “He was only in Paris for about 16 hours, getting a few days of notice to make plans for the trip in March.” A few days? We knew this wasn’t a coincidence, but that’s proof, I’d say. Also, at the time he was also a construction worker, in addition to being a model. He wasn’t famous, and I think the show took advantage of him as well as the girls.
@@vivienkoles1880 yeah. He probably knew more than the contestants, I’d guess. But I think he was young, naive, and hungry for success, so I’m sure they took advantage of that in some way. Making him rush to fly out, and rush to fly back would make it even easier to get him to be compliant with whatever they wanted. Smh. This show was gross.
The thing that kind of bugged me about when they told Adrianne to push her hair back with the headband, is, earlier in this same episode the man at the modelling agency told her to wear her hair and bangs down. He was like, "Are you throwing your hair up and back because it's easy?" So it's just another example of a girl being told one thing, then punished for following directions. Also the fact that no one helped her when that awful man touched her is just gross and terrible, and scary.
I know this sounds awful to say, but based on this show’s track record for doing whatever they can in order to have drama to film… I honestly wonder if the guy who assaulted Adrianne was a paid actor of the show. Of course Adrianne would have no idea because the producers would want a genuine reaction from her. I kind of think that’s why his face was blurred out to protect his identity and that’s also why no one approached him or contacted police. I mean, he did that RIGHT in front of an entire camera crew and he looked like he was dressed by Tyra herself trying to create the most stereotypical version of a homeless creeper she could think of. I wouldn’t put it past ANTM to coordinate something like that just to get people to tune into the show. Especially because it was the very first season and they needed to attract a large audience.
@@HigherSelfTarot I actually was wondering that myself. I thought that man was either very dumb or very bold to just straight up assault her in public, in broad daylight, and with a camera crew literally filming the whole interaction (as evidence). For whatever reason, he either didn't think about getting caught or just straight up assumed he wouldn't face any consequences for his actions. If the show really wanted to, they could take the footage to the police and report the incident. I mean they got the guy's actual face on camera while it was happening. There is a chance the police could locate who the guy is and prosecute him.
@@HigherSelfTarot yup. i think they staged this assault, and the man helping, just so they could have critiques and drama. The pervy hobo justifies them 'worrying for Janice's safety' when she asked for help.
It's funny how theyre so upset about Robin asking a French man for help as if they're worried for her safety yet Adrienne who was basically assaulted by another French man, they have absolutely nothing to say about. They're sick
The way they were so upset about the perceived danger of Robin enlisting the help of a stranger but then say absolutely nothing about the actual real danger of Adrianne being assaulted right in front of the crew… This whole episode is one of the worst, from the extremely questionable and bad photoshoot to the lack of action or even mention about one of their models being sexually assaulted on camera…
I DON'T BELIEVE TYRA FOR ONE MINUTE. First time in Paris, and she made all those go-sees with no help?! Don't buy it! Either she had help, or she practiced going around Paris the day before, or she studied.
Yeah, me neither. Just the metro in paris alone is notorious for me for how difficult it is to navigate. I remember once getting lost in the tunnels, just following the arrows would lead back to the beginning and in a circle. I was around the models age then, but I was with a group of friends with no time pressure! I can't imagine how you would do it if you had no help!
Yeah pretty sure agencies etc. actually want their models to get hired so they give them at least enough of an advantage to get to their meetings on time
Also, the crew saw what was happening and when the guy was doing weird stuff to Adrianne they could stop it BEFORE it even happened. They could yell back off because they could clearly see that he was being a creep. BUT THEY DIDN'T TRY TO PREVENT THIS JUST SO THEY COULD GET HER REACTION. Just so she would be shocked, disgusted, just so she would feel bad... because they probably thought this scene would be interesting/shocking/dramatic for their tv show.
When I watched it I didn't realise he was creeping until she did but they should have at least got between them and let her collect herself off-camera.
I'm like: They bring up Robyn getting help from a stranger but not the actual sexual harassment episode they had? Like, not even sympathy or to ask her if she was ok? But for Robyn "You're lucky you are alive" imagine how triggering that must have been for Adrienne if she heard!! This show is awful.
It's so funny, how they shame Robbin for not using her head, when she actually did and found a good way to get to all agencies. Also, the comment that it wasn't safe to ask stranger’s help, when they just drop all the girls in foreign country by themselves (if we are not counting the camera operator) to find their way. They could be run over by a car, get lost and wander into some unsafe area, or get groped, which did happen to Adrianne.
What I don’t get personally is in the real world, is any agency honestly going to care how you got to their go-see? Are they going to deny seeing you as long as you show up on time looking like a model? So what if she paid someone to help her?
There is no way Tyra did 25 go-sees in a day lmao unless she was seeing multiple designers at the same time somehow. Let's generously say each go-see is 15min and it takes approx 15min to get to each, that's 2 per hour. So unless she was working 12.5 hrs nonstop there is no way. MAYBE she did it ONCE but she absolutely did not do that on a regular basis. Oh Tyra lol
Thats possible tho. they had an episode where there were 3 designers in the same room and it counted as 3 go sees. Plus keep in mind some designers work in the same building or on the same street. so if she had 5 in one location that would be easy to do.
@@amberw5778 Yeah that would make it much more feasible! And also makes Tyra even more of a witch for comparing that to navigating Paris as a foreigner with no French skills lmao
I had to pause to tell you that vending machines are a good talking point. My first day at college I was getting a soda and had no friends and the person behind me said “ I’ve never seen a vending machine like this before”. That man is now my husband lmao jk but we did chat about vending machines for like 15 minutes
Tyra jumping in saying "I used to have 25 go sees in a day and I'd make all of them," just reminds me of someone's grandparent ranting on that 'back in their day' they had to walk 30km in the snow for school each day, each way and worked a part time job that was 26 hours a day.
I’ve been to Paris for a week and i used the metro and i was checking the spots on my phone and i speak french and my hometown has a metro system as well so i wasn’t unfamiliar with it. And even then, it’s easy to get mistaken. Hell, i mess up at home all the time. So someone who has only been there for a day, doesn’t speak the language, is in a rush, doesn’t have a smart phone to help, likely never used a metro system before. Yeah. Ofc they’re gonna mess up and miss appointments. To expect them to be comfortable using the metro is insane. Tyra is crazy for saying that.
This reminded me that here in Lisbon the metro system is quite small and still locals will ask me how to get from one station to another because they get confused if it is the first time they take it. So imagine in Paris! Even when you live there you sometimes need to ask your way at the ticket booth
@@virginiasoares826 Robyn was right to ask for that guy’s help. The smartest of moves. Everything is stacked against them to fail. And ppl living in the city mess up as well. So yeah. Using your brain IS to ask for help by locals. ESPECIALLY if you don’t speak the language,
I don't know how it was then, but when I went a few years ago (alone), I was so confused. There's different zones and I was so nervous I'd accidentally get the wrong ticket. Also, the ticketing machine I was trying to use wasn't working and I got scammed by people pretending to be subway workers 😭 they had uniforms and everything!
I asked a underground worker in London a question and he screamed at me about people not listening, a local saw and took pity on me and answered my question. They had said over the tannoy that my train was terminating at an earlier stop and I don't know what order the stops are as I'd never been to that part of London before. My question was if the terminating stop was before my stop. The northerner in London is a lot less scarier than an American in Paris
The photographer literally posed each of the models. The only photo he didn’t pose was the test shot for Elyse. It’s not fair that the judges are criticizing the models for what the photographer made them do.
It breaks my heart that they just let SA Happen to one of the girls. They should be held responsible for that. They protected the the POS and got mad at the victim. This show shouldn't have run as long.
I’ve been binging all of your ANTM videos. I can’t believe I never noticed how insane this show was when I used to watch it as a teenager. This one’s on another level though
Me too!! I loved this show when it was on, I watched it faithfully!! Never noticed all of the set ups and gas lighting until I started watching Jessica do reviews. If this show was on now, OMG it would be canceled!!!
Yeah, watching now puts it in a whole different spectrum. I used to watch these wishing I could be on the show too. Glad I was never tall enough or allowed to do something like this! Kinda scarring some of these.
Yesss...When i was young i thought this is just a photoshoot and never feeling this is so wrong...I must say the way tyra doing photoshoot is to extreme when im becoming adult
I have to say, Brad looked just as uncomfortable as the girls did. He looked like he was forced to do something he did not want to do. The only answer that I have for the blurred face is stupid legal reasons. They did not have the guy agree to show his face or maybe did not even try to. I don’t agree with that. I cannot believe (I kind of do) that people saw her being assaulted and did not step in at all. Maybe the film people, like her were worried about being fired for stepping in. If you are worrying for being fired for helping someone, please leave. I feel bad for Robin and I am glad the person helped her and did not take advantage of her because he fulfilled his end of the deal.
You all are so kind & compassionate. Getting grabbed & felt up by strangers in public was so normal in 90s & the men would get pissed when I hit, kicked or bit them. I would get yelled at for " making a scene". Thank GOD the world is changing.
So true about the (80's &) 90's! 💯 As a short-time working model in that time, it was REALLY toxic in so many ways. Sure modeling is fun, but it's NOT fun to be violated.
I had a man push his hand up my dress in a night club in England and that was as recent as about 10 years ago! I turned around shocked and he apologised but I wish I’d reported him! My friend who sometimes used to go out with me and wear revealing outfits always used to get men trying to touch her and would kick off with them whenever they did. I’m so glad the world is finally changing but it’s not happening fast enough!!!!
yep, at concerts, on buses, on trains. everywhere! it happened all the time but we barely blinked on eye cos there was nothing you could do. people would just tell you to ignore it!
Not normal. But way too common. I understand what you are saying that though. I was a teen in the 80's. I remember all kinds of sh:t that boys/men (strangers, bosses, friends of my boyfriends) did to me from age 10 onward. This cr@p has always happened and is STILL happening. Boys/men need to to be held accountable, not encouraged to treat women like garbage. And seeing women be a part of the enabling is truly awful. The arrogance coming from Tyra and the rest, so nauseating.
Ok but Brad's bio boils down to people say he looks like his parents and when asked about what his dreams are, he basically said "to fulfill my dreams". There is either not a single thought behind those eyes or he was forced to fill out that fact sheet at gun point
Honestly that sounds like something I’d write being who wants to delve into a bunch of details? Who else would people say he looks like? I’m not daft but it makes sense. Especially the fulfill goals things. You gonna list everything?
@@grantmegan91 Or he was just given it and filled it out in a hurry. To be honest I would do the same and I have a PHD in Psychology number (1) Your not giving all your personal details thoughts away, and remain mysterious (2) You've keep and irrelevant thing short and to 1 point
What happened to Adrianne still so disgusting and the fact that no one did anything is messed up. On top of that she was behind on her go sees cause it’s greatly effected her but they all acted like it didn’t happen. Tyra would of known but as usual she doesn’t care. Also the 25 go sees seems like an exaggeration it’s unlikely unless she means from like the dead of morning to way late at night cause that’s a lot of people.
This show is beyond disappointing. The judges really do have some nerve. The way they talk to Robin is insane. And that they say nothing to Adrienne about what happened to her….is there a gas leak in the room or something? What’s wrong with them?
This happens so often. A model will make it to the final four and the judges say they look too old, too short, too plus-sized/fiercely real and eliminate them solely for that.
EXACTLY Jessica. Robin played their game, she worked around it to get where she needed to be, she didn't break any rules, and they're mad about it. Typical ANTM. Now to play a bit of devil's advocate, watch out who you're with in a foreign country you're not familiar with. Today, yes. A camera crew is around. But on your own, be careful, which I think she can be.
I want Jessica to react to the plants photoshoot from Season 9. It was a cool concept with all girls getting their own flower/plant + there was a really spicy panel moment with Victoria defending herself bravely :)
@@imjoesan I just remember that they brought Chantal to tears somehow and chose a very strange photo of Saleisha. Which is a shame because tulips are my favourite flowers, hehe
“This is supposed to be for Wonder Bra, right?” 😂 Exactly! As Janice would fuss “It’s always about the garment…” yet, we can barely see the garment 💁🏾♀️
This episode has stuck with me for so long. I remember seeing this when I was like 9 years old and thinking how horrific and scary men are. I’m now 26 and yeah, still scared of men in public like this. Scared of being groped, scared of being drugged since that’s happened twice, scared of seeing this happening and not being able to stop it. I ALWAYS say something when I see something now. I will never be that woman that walks right by another woman who has just been harassed or assaulted. I will NEVER succumb to the bystander effect
A list of infamous ANTM quotes: 1. "Lack of persona." 2. "WE WERE ROOTING FOR YOU!!!" 3. "Booty tooch." 4. "Smize." 5. "Pot Ledom." (Top Model spelled backwards) 6. "The blame game."
Production’s lack of urgency, awareness, support, and compassion for Adrienne was heartbreaking! The inaction from those production workers who were there witnessing the SA, was especially appalling. Sadly, inaction and turning a blind eye to sexual assault, sexual harassment, and domestic abuse of women has been the societal norm for far too long!!! 😤😡
Let's say a go-see is 30 minutes, plus 20-30 minutes between go-sees with transportation. That's 25 go-sees in 25 hours. So even if she didn't sleep through a whole day, she still didn't make 25 go-sees in 24 hours.
I imagine since she saw so many the go sees may have been less than 20 minutes, and if that were the case I feel like the quality would go down with how fast they are. Idk though, I'm not in the industry.
@@sstjohn96 Even at 15mins per go see that's just over 6 hours, that's not including travel time between each. I doubt these places are staying open after hours. Plot twist maybe all 25 were at the same location or conducted at once.
I'm so happy you covered this one! I've been requesting this photoshoot for a while now because it's always struck me as the WORST photos ever seen on ANTM. I'm glad to see that you agree! The results are just horrendous. Also, Robin totally used her brain. It's absolutely disgusting that they should scold her for outsmarting them, and completely ignore what happened to Adrienne.
Sooooo did they use a professional photographer for this shoot or just the first random perv with a camera they found on the street? I was already getting that vibe and then the final photos solidified it for me.
This does make me wonder if Shannon got the lesson from her agent or a friend in the modeling world about how things ACTUALLY work after this show, and brought it with her to All Stars. I single out Shannon specifically because in the All Stars season she was on, she was very firm about not doing underwear or nude shoots, to the point that the judges eliminated her for not doing an underwear shoot (possibly with a male model, my memory is fuzzy). She presented it as a personal moral line (something like "underwear is something I only want my partner to see me in"), but I do wonder if that was the show cutting around her trying to say that it's an issue of informed consent and respect on the job. I think she was like 19 in this season and obviously didn't have any real, professional modeling experience (that's one of the requirements to be on the show, I'm pretty sure) so she wouldn't have necessarily had the knowledge about how things really are/should be at the time.
You make a valid point. She probably did get genuine advice from her agent where she has to right to decline any shoot that involves nudity/wearing lingerie.
I really liked her on All Stars and I liked her standing her ground. You can tell the people running the show hated it and kept trying to get her in a "gotcha!" moment but it didn't work. I think the word they gave her brand was "trustworthy" and she is. Which is also something this show really knows nothing about.
@@PandoraStolen she looked GORGEOUS on All Stars Like she’d had her tank top on and hair slicked back in the confessionals and I thought “idk if people say this girl is boring, she looks like a model. She looks like well what I thought all these other girls would look like. I was seeing people with her look in Clinique ads, in Lucky magazine… in beauty content”. In 2003 she was a pretty girl, in 2011 she looked like an elegant and confident woman.
Shannon got it worked into her contract with Elite (the agency she was with before all stars and alluded to in the first episode) that she would not be doing underwear. Usually they did not do this so it showed Elite still had a lot of faith in her that she could book for other castings and honestly it’s no sweat off their back because they can send so many other girls to a casting for lingerie Also the production staff of all stars took her for a ride: when they called her to give the pitch about All Stars she told them about how she doesn’t shoot underwear anymore and they explicitly said to her that was not an issue. So her beef was that she was brought onto All Stars under false pretenses.
Tyra said “use your brain” and Robin used her brain by asking help. It is not an easy task to ask some stranger in a firefight country for help, and yet she did. Good for her!! I think you are right, they were very unhappy because Robin didn’t struggle finding the places for go sees (or whatever they are called).
What happened to Adrienne was awful. And what happened to Shandi the next season was even worse. As everyone including the camera people, the producers, and the other girls let a very drunk 19 year old go into a bedroom with a man. I do not believe she was sober enough to consent, and it emotionally wrecked her to the point where I think that's a big part of why she ended up losing.
А зачем Шанди напилась? Если у неё проблемы с алкоголем, то она должна была лечиться, а не участвовать в шоу. Все знают, что в шоу не будет лëгкой жизни. И она не придумала ничего лучше, чем снять напряжение алкоголем?
@@MsMockingbird06 why would Shandi get completely drunk and sleep with a stranger?!!? That is insane!! I remember that episode very well and I thought she behaved like a cheap slut!!
Robin used her initiative & asked for assistance from a local, which is what anyone would do when they're visiting a location away from home. Folk be mad she did something they didn't think of and then punish her for it. Nahhhhh
I did some molding as a kid. At the agency, on your first day, they give you a form w/ all the things you're willing to model w/ eg. smoking, alcohol, animal products, lingerie (obviously if you're under 18 some things you can't do at all) and skills you have eg. stunts, horseback riding The show highlights the actual horror stories some people survive trying to break into the industry.
The more I rewatch theses episodes, the more I realize how little control ANTM models had over their success in the competition. It's very obvious that the producers/ Tyra create a narrative, and will purposely set up certain models to fail. I hope their time on this show did not have long term consequences on their self-esteem and mental health.
I feel like even the male model was uncomfortable as well. He like legit didn't connect with ANY of the girls. He was just there, frozen. This episode was a mess
That is something that has always bugged me about this show. Tyra has talked about how she had guidelines of what and what she wouldn’t do as a model and that her mom was always there to make sure it was stuck to. But then on the show she tells the models that they have to be prepared for anything and doing things they aren’t comfortable with because that’s the modeling world…
During paris fashionweek I had the most castings of my agency, which were around 15, max 20 a day. I had a driver because by doing it all by metro you’ll loose to much time. I still couldn’t make all 20 and only could do the important ones. 25 gosees/castings in one day by metro is impossible.
The only reason Adrienne didn't make her go see is that she was sexually assaulted. And...who gave her those bangs? Cause she didn't have bangs when she started. So she agrees that Tyra's styling is bad. They did Adrienne so dirty here. The worst part if this dressing down is that the producers definitely tattled on Robyn for getting help, but either failed to mention the fact that Adrienne was not helped, or they did tell Tyra and she just didn't care.
It’s really sad how many models Tyra sent out there thinking they had to do whatever they were told to do. The culture she helped create by doing that. I watched this show the first many seasons when they first aired and I fully bought into that models had to do whatever they were told. I was 18 when the show came out!
I think Robin’s photo was absolutely the ONLY one who actually displayed the bra. Tyra seems to just expose, embarrass and break down these beautiful women, and just blow her own flute to make her look better than others
25 castings in a day is only possible when you have a motorcycle driver taking you around town, and even then only when the casting directors all make accommodations for the model to not wait in line. 8-10 is possible, maybe a few more when there are smaller clients who send you away immediately.
Its possible a huge majority of those go sees were either in the same building, or even on the same street. they had an episode of ANTM where there was a go see with 3 designers in the same room, and it counted as 3 go sees.
In their defense (kind of), I believe Adrianne did say they did do something about that creep, but you're right. They need to expose him. How's that fair to hide him and embarrass her?
I love how you make sure to call out these situations where the models' consent was not obtained. it's very important to have voices from the industry telling new models they don't have to just do whatever they're asked with no regard for their personal comfort.
I was a model with Ford Chicago and you would be given a list of things and you would check off what you were/weren’t okay with doing. I can’t remember which way. But you were able to check off no cigarette ads, alcohol adds, no nudity. Etc. Even at a test shoot where the shirt was see through. I was able to speak up and tell the photographer to photoshop out any revealing part. Ford was really good about advocating for models. If you ever felt uncomfortable on a shoot you were told to call your agent and have them have those conversations with the client or the photographer.
Robin got a hardcore villain edit, especially while filming in the penthouse. Which I think is why the judges were giving negative feedback sometimes, even when it didn't really make sense.
I love how the judges were all crammed together on a craft services table like they only had the budget for the one hotel room and had to shoot everything in that room.
I believe they didn’t do anything about the creep and they also blurred his face, because they probably asked him to do it. She was probably SAed at some point in her life and they figured this creep touching her would trigger her …. And it did. He got paid and they got to put Adrienne in the bottom 2 …. AND insult her about her appearance…. Again.
Robynne used the "little French man" because she doesn't speak or understand the language of the country she's in. It's way beyond her trying to not "use her brain." The girl couldn't become bilingual overnight.
There are 24 hours in a day. If she had 25 go-sees, then there were most likely multiple agencies in one building, or an event of some type where reps were gathered.
To have 25 go-sees in a whole 24 hour day (this would be a 24 hour, no break, work day), she would have 57.6 minutes allotted to each one including any travel time. If we're talking about a 12 hour day, she would have 28.8 minutes allotted to each go-see including travel time. It would be impossible unless she had multiple go-sees in the same location or something like that
I’m having such a mandela effect moment right now because a few days ago I went looking for this video being convinced you had already made it! @.@ so glad you decided to make a video about this episode, always looking forward to your uploads
The moment they said “you cheated by being strategic and having someone help you” I literally screamed “WHAT?!” She didn’t do anything wrong! It’s not like it was a scavenger hunt or a race. That wasn’t cheating at all! Also, that assault was horrible and they did nothing about it. Poor one.
I watched this show for most of my life and its hilarious to me how each year it gets worse and worse as i re watch it. How these girls were treated just baffles me. Yes they signed up a reality tv show and the modeling world is tough, but all the gaslighting, putting the contestants in uncomfortable/dangerous situations, the transphobia that that transgender contestant dealt with ( I refuse to watch that season ever again), and the body shaming. Is just not it. Tyra had such an opportunity here to change all those issues she encountered and wasted it for 20+ years smh. Instead she was like i went through hell and you do too..like no. Becoming successful is hard work but no sis that aint it.
I've only watched a few of these shows and find it so frustrating for the girls that they get criticised for doing what the photographers tell them. For goodness sake, stop blaming them and have a go at the photographer. I know it's a savage industry but a little bit of kind and constructive criticism wouldn't hurt.
Remember, this is a "modeling competition", but at the end of the day, it's a REALITY SHOW. They need stories, no matter how weird or out of context it is. A lot of models on this show have said this that production needs drama out of them.
You know I think I know why they did this they made Robin look like she could had gotten hurt for asking a stranger for help and yet ignored and negated Adrian when she actually got harassed and hurt in a way it’s like they where shifting the audiences attention off of them and onto someone else
The only way Tyra could go on 25 go sees is if there were like 6 agencies in one building…because I’m assuming agencies aren’t open at 6am or 11pm? But I don’t know anything 😂
When I was a kid I was obsessed with this show and looked up to Tyra so much and now I watch it and I just want to cry and hide under the covers at the way the ladies are all treated 😳
You should react to the cycle 15 shoot where the girls are statues and one of the girls is forced to pose with a male model even though she's uncomfortable.
That photographer was so creepy! I'm not sure if it was due to editing, if he was playing a character for the show, or if that's genuinely how he is but all my alarm bells were ringing!
25 go sees? Ok Tyra lol unless multiple ones were in the same building, idk how that’s possible. They were just mad that Robyn thought outside the box lol
The fact that they addressed the fact that robin got help from a local to go around a city and not talking about adrienne. That probably means that the camera crew were instructed not to intervene. Which is kindda F if it's the case. Basically they want them to struggle alone in a foreign city, so Robin asking for help was crossing the line, but adrienne s.a wasn't because she didn't receive help.
Oh-ho-ho! The next episode will be a roller coaster--a nightmare roller coaster. It may be difficult to react to it all, but it's worth a shot. Also, for this photoshoot, it made me realize that my former co-worker was right--these photoshoots were total jokes. Nothing marketable about MOST photos on ANTM. Side note: I don't like Robyn at all, but the show REALLY did her dirty.
Ok...this feels like as if they picked some shady photographer who usually does p*rn shootings, but for a very low price. Everytime I watch an ANTM reaction I feel more appreciative for GNTM. We have a lot of shady moments too, but the overall quality is 10x better and Heidi doesn't disrespect models boundaries for entertainment. At least not to this concerning degree.
I think this was the first photoshoot I've seen where all the final pictures were bad. And it was all on the photographer, since his job was to make sure the models were posing so the lingerie was highlighted. Of the ones where you could see the lingerie, the cropping and quality was atrocious. Those things are beyond the models' control. The judges' double standard with regards to Adrianne and Robin was sickening. Robin WAS using her brain; she knew she had a camera crew following her, so she reasonably assumed that the French man wasn't going to harm her since they were being filmed. She got scolded for smartly doing something that nobody had told her was against any rules. On the other hand, the camera crew didn't even intervene when the stranger was inappropriate towards Adrianne. None of them thought about stepping in after he touched her the first time? They should have been fired.
The shoot was weirdly sleezy like the photographer. You said "Models are people, too." The shows always made me feel like they are not. They are just bodies who are used to show clothes and items, they are not allowed to have any personality or any feelings. And I think there were times when (younger) models were treated like that. Same with actresses etc. Luckily, this kind of thinking is dying.
@@yennefer440 if you think these photos have “snuff vibes” then you clearly aren’t aware of what snuff films are. Don’t throw around words you don’t understand for the sake of trying to look cool on the internet 🙄🙄
My fiancé would feel so uncomfortable with this. He doesn’t like if the windows are open because a neighbor might see him without a shirt. These women must be so uncomfortable
I learned a lot of the time the camera crew is asked not to interfere with anything so everything is as "authentic" as possible, but if I were a camera person on the show and saw that, the camera would come down and the gloves would come off. No one has the right to touch people without consent. Even on the photoshoot! I agree with Jessica. Whenever I wanted to adjust even the smallest things on my models during photoshoots, I would ask permission, especially when they couldn't do it themselves. The guy going up and just touching them gave me the ick! Honestly, he gave me ick vibes in general. He joins the pervert category for this episode for me.
Yes…..a lengthy TW was provided on a blacked out screen with the time stamp provided for those who prefer to bypass that portion of the video and resume watching after any footage or discussion of the SA event.
I think the male model knew they weren't comfortable so it was awkward for all of them. I feel this wasn't representative of a pro photoshoot as you said, Jess. I noticed when I tried freelance modeling the shoots would usually turn more sexual or they'd ask if I was OK to strip down which is why I got out of it. In the moment it's harder to say no because it catches you off guard and you're there to get pictures and experience.
Wonder bra, cause you wonder where the bra is on the pic. That was the worst photoshoot in ANTM, looked like a perv was taking pictures in some cheap scenario. On top of it, the sa, the panel... what a nightmare
It's good to see how much, at least the top model program has changed. In Holland next top model they have different genders, sizes, non-binary, transgender, etc. And they also say with the makeovers for example, if you don't want to do it, you don't have to. Because your mental state is more important. And they also really keep the models in mind with what they've been through. I think that is really awesome how far they've gone. And they give great direction! This all looks super amaturistic. So much less created drama, yet it's still entertaining to watch.
To think I used to look up to Tyra as a teenager watching this show. At 28 I hate seeing how these judges treat these models. Like you said, models are people!
Tyra’s “I went to 25 go-sees in one day on the metro and I made them all” feels like the model equivalent of “I walked ten miles to school uphill both ways in the snow every day”.
most of what she says about herself feels like that lol
Were these go-sees on another planet with days that are more than 24 hours long?
If Tyra spent 8 hours going to 25 go-sees, that's less than 20 minutes a stop including travel time.
Even at 12 hours that's less than 30 minutes per stop including travel time.
Idk the average go see time, but I imagine that's incredibly fast
YES. That’s it. That’s her whole vibe.
@@sarahkp729 Exactly!!!
Producer: "how many human rights do you want to violate in this episode?"
Tyra: Yes!
this episode is a whole mess
geneva convention is in shambles
@@nasimmasonAll the episodes seem to be a hot 🔥🥵 mess. I just can't figure out which is the hottest mess?? 👀😠
Uh, all of them? 😐
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“It’s like USE YOUR BRAIN, GIRL.” Well she did use her brain. She got help. That’s a smart move. That’s Robyn using her brain.
The producers were just mad she found a way to navigate the system 😅
Facts
I would've done the exact same thing! xD
@@lizstyla88 and she wasn't alone alone the crew was right there, she was smart
@@delmicortave and as jessica mentioned, irl, agencies help you out so that you make all your gosees. you're not left on your won. antm is a reality first and foremost.
Tyra: *gives Adrienne bangs during make over*
Also Tyra: “I feel like you’re hiding, you need to keep your bangs pushed back.”
Thisssssss, it's literally bothered me since the season aired 🤣
I felt like she had the hottest photo with the guy..it looked original retro!
Soo true.
she's such a sociopath
Lmaooo WHERE IS THE LIE? 😅
Telling Robin "you don't need help" is completely different from "we were worried for your safety."
Yeah they were "worried" about Robin but didn't do anything about what happened to Adrianne.
They wanted to gaslight her because she was being smart and effective with her time. I'm sure had she been alone, without an ENTIRE camera crew, on a nationally televised show, she probably wouldn't have asked a stranger for help. She wasn't hurt, and she made her go sees; which was the point. Maybe they felt some type of way about how they dropped the ball with Adrianne and were projecting it onto her? Feels kinda like that, but be mad at yourselves, what does that have to do with Robin?
They definitely approached that conversation wrong, they definitely treated it like she’d broken a rule or given herself at an unfair advantage rather than that she’d done something that in any other circumstance you shouldn’t do. The only statement that I think could mean they were worried about her safety was “I would never advise a young model to do what you did today” and part of that sounds a bit like they’re covering their bases so they don’t seem like they’re recommending it to viewers. Objectively it is potentially dangerous to rely on a stranger to direct you where you’re going all day. He could’ve taken her anywhere. Granted she was being followed by a camera crew so the danger in this situation was low, that doesn’t mean she should do it in the future.
@@jydakota95 The problem for me was that they were back and forrh with their reasoning; at first they asked her if she felt like she cheated, and then said it was unsafe to do. Doing both makes the judges lose credibility, and even if they just stuck to believing she cheated, there was nowhere in the rules that she couldn't ask for help.
I love when a photoshoot includes a product but it isn't actually visible in the final images.
its all about hype nowadays, just ignore those brands
This has happened during the runway contests too, I think. They had clothes, but would have the girls in bubbles.
I have never ever seen one of these product photoshoots in an ad ever. And before I knew how terrible this show was, I was constantly looking for them, especially the ones I thought were awesome. I used to flip through every magazine I could see: cosmo, vogue, maxim, whatever.
So my question: has anyone in these comments, especially the models and photographers, ever actually seen one of these ads?
@@ZieSpiralOut I’ve never even seen the cover girl ads that they are supposed to win lol
@@YoSoFunnyx3 😂😂
That’s so true lol!
I just googled Brad Pinkert. His hometown newspaper, The Buffalo News, printed a story about his appearance on ANTM. They wrote: “He was only in Paris for about 16 hours, getting a few days of notice to make plans for the trip in March.” A few days? We knew this wasn’t a coincidence, but that’s proof, I’d say. Also, at the time he was also a construction worker, in addition to being a model. He wasn’t famous, and I think the show took advantage of him as well as the girls.
That sounds for me like he also didn't know exactly what will happen. So this has consent issues from all the parties...
@@vivienkoles1880 yeah. He probably knew more than the contestants, I’d guess. But I think he was young, naive, and hungry for success, so I’m sure they took advantage of that in some way. Making him rush to fly out, and rush to fly back would make it even easier to get him to be compliant with whatever they wanted. Smh. This show was gross.
Thank you for doing this research for us
@@hayleyd6467, it was just a quick Google. 😊
No wonder he seemed uninterested and tired.
The thing that kind of bugged me about when they told Adrianne to push her hair back with the headband, is, earlier in this same episode the man at the modelling agency told her to wear her hair and bangs down. He was like, "Are you throwing your hair up and back because it's easy?" So it's just another example of a girl being told one thing, then punished for following directions. Also the fact that no one helped her when that awful man touched her is just gross and terrible, and scary.
It annoyed me as well especially since the thick bangs were her makeover that they choose for her to get.
I know this sounds awful to say, but based on this show’s track record for doing whatever they can in order to have drama to film…
I honestly wonder if the guy who assaulted Adrianne was a paid actor of the show. Of course Adrianne would have no idea because the producers would want a genuine reaction from her. I kind of think that’s why his face was blurred out to protect his identity and that’s also why no one approached him or contacted police. I mean, he did that RIGHT in front of an entire camera crew and he looked like he was dressed by Tyra herself trying to create the most stereotypical version of a homeless creeper she could think of.
I wouldn’t put it past ANTM to coordinate something like that just to get people to tune into the show. Especially because it was the very first season and they needed to attract a large audience.
@@HigherSelfTarot I actually was wondering that myself. I thought that man was either very dumb or very bold to just straight up assault her in public, in broad daylight, and with a camera crew literally filming the whole interaction (as evidence). For whatever reason, he either didn't think about getting caught or just straight up assumed he wouldn't face any consequences for his actions. If the show really wanted to, they could take the footage to the police and report the incident. I mean they got the guy's actual face on camera while it was happening. There is a chance the police could locate who the guy is and prosecute him.
@@HigherSelfTarot Ikr, it's the most likely situation.. that's so sad, I feel really bad for her 😭
@@HigherSelfTarot yup. i think they staged this assault, and the man helping, just so they could have critiques and drama. The pervy hobo justifies them 'worrying for Janice's safety' when she asked for help.
It's funny how theyre so upset about Robin asking a French man for help as if they're worried for her safety yet Adrienne who was basically assaulted by another French man, they have absolutely nothing to say about. They're sick
The way they were so upset about the perceived danger of Robin enlisting the help of a stranger but then say absolutely nothing about the actual real danger of Adrianne being assaulted right in front of the crew… This whole episode is one of the worst, from the extremely questionable and bad photoshoot to the lack of action or even mention about one of their models being sexually assaulted on camera…
I DON'T BELIEVE TYRA FOR ONE MINUTE. First time in Paris, and she made all those go-sees with no help?! Don't buy it! Either she had help, or she practiced going around Paris the day before, or she studied.
or all of them were in the same area in Paris. But yeah I'm with you it's no way.
Yeah, me neither. Just the metro in paris alone is notorious for me for how difficult it is to navigate. I remember once getting lost in the tunnels, just following the arrows would lead back to the beginning and in a circle. I was around the models age then, but I was with a group of friends with no time pressure! I can't imagine how you would do it if you had no help!
Yeah pretty sure agencies etc. actually want their models to get hired so they give them at least enough of an advantage to get to their meetings on time
@@kit922 They do because that is how the agency gets money by their models getting jobs.
Her mother was with her!
Also, the crew saw what was happening and when the guy was doing weird stuff to Adrianne they could stop it BEFORE it even happened. They could yell back off because they could clearly see that he was being a creep. BUT THEY DIDN'T TRY TO PREVENT THIS JUST SO THEY COULD GET HER REACTION. Just so she would be shocked, disgusted, just so she would feel bad... because they probably thought this scene would be interesting/shocking/dramatic for their tv show.
When I watched it I didn't realise he was creeping until she did but they should have at least got between them and let her collect herself off-camera.
Ratings~! 😑
OR they set it up to unnerve her?
I'm like: They bring up Robyn getting help from a stranger but not the actual sexual harassment episode they had? Like, not even sympathy or to ask her if she was ok? But for Robyn "You're lucky you are alive" imagine how triggering that must have been for Adrienne if she heard!!
This show is awful.
I don't think the crew could tell what was happening right away
It's so funny, how they shame Robbin for not using her head, when she actually did and found a good way to get to all agencies. Also, the comment that it wasn't safe to ask stranger’s help, when they just drop all the girls in foreign country by themselves (if we are not counting the camera operator) to find their way. They could be run over by a car, get lost and wander into some unsafe area, or get groped, which did happen to Adrianne.
What I don’t get personally is in the real world, is any agency honestly going to care how you got to their go-see? Are they going to deny seeing you as long as you show up on time looking like a model? So what if she paid someone to help her?
They were “worried” for Robyn but not for Adrien 🤦🏽♂️
There is no way Tyra did 25 go-sees in a day lmao unless she was seeing multiple designers at the same time somehow. Let's generously say each go-see is 15min and it takes approx 15min to get to each, that's 2 per hour. So unless she was working 12.5 hrs nonstop there is no way. MAYBE she did it ONCE but she absolutely did not do that on a regular basis. Oh Tyra lol
Thats possible tho. they had an episode where there were 3 designers in the same room and it counted as 3 go sees. Plus keep in mind some designers work in the same building or on the same street. so if she had 5 in one location that would be easy to do.
@@amberw5778 Yeah that would make it much more feasible! And also makes Tyra even more of a witch for comparing that to navigating Paris as a foreigner with no French skills lmao
I had to pause to tell you that vending machines are a good talking point. My first day at college I was getting a soda and had no friends and the person behind me said “ I’ve never seen a vending machine like this before”. That man is now my husband lmao jk but we did chat about vending machines for like 15 minutes
Lmbo!! The ending sent me!
Wow great story!!
you had us in the first half
😂 vending machines… the secret to lasting love. Who knew?
Lmao 🤣 🤣 🤣
Tyra jumping in saying "I used to have 25 go sees in a day and I'd make all of them," just reminds me of someone's grandparent ranting on that 'back in their day' they had to walk 30km in the snow for school each day, each way and worked a part time job that was 26 hours a day.
"26 hours a day" 🤣💀
LOL You're right. That's exactly how it sounds.
I’ve been to Paris for a week and i used the metro and i was checking the spots on my phone and i speak french and my hometown has a metro system as well so i wasn’t unfamiliar with it. And even then, it’s easy to get mistaken. Hell, i mess up at home all the time. So someone who has only been there for a day, doesn’t speak the language, is in a rush, doesn’t have a smart phone to help, likely never used a metro system before. Yeah. Ofc they’re gonna mess up and miss appointments. To expect them to be comfortable using the metro is insane. Tyra is crazy for saying that.
This reminded me that here in Lisbon the metro system is quite small and still locals will ask me how to get from one station to another because they get confused if it is the first time they take it. So imagine in Paris! Even when you live there you sometimes need to ask your way at the ticket booth
@@virginiasoares826 Robyn was right to ask for that guy’s help. The smartest of moves. Everything is stacked against them to fail. And ppl living in the city mess up as well. So yeah. Using your brain IS to ask for help by locals. ESPECIALLY if you don’t speak the language,
I don't know how it was then, but when I went a few years ago (alone), I was so confused. There's different zones and I was so nervous I'd accidentally get the wrong ticket. Also, the ticketing machine I was trying to use wasn't working and I got scammed by people pretending to be subway workers 😭 they had uniforms and everything!
I asked a underground worker in London a question and he screamed at me about people not listening, a local saw and took pity on me and answered my question. They had said over the tannoy that my train was terminating at an earlier stop and I don't know what order the stops are as I'd never been to that part of London before. My question was if the terminating stop was before my stop. The northerner in London is a lot less scarier than an American in Paris
And the fact most of them made it to every gosee is even more insane they treated them so terribly.
The photographer literally posed each of the models. The only photo he didn’t pose was the test shot for Elyse. It’s not fair that the judges are criticizing the models for what the photographer made them do.
It breaks my heart that they just let SA Happen to one of the girls. They should be held responsible for that. They protected the the POS and got mad at the victim. This show shouldn't have run as long.
I watched Luxeria's commentary video of the episode where she delved a bit more deep into it.
@@devontamosley4487 Would love to seen Lux and Jessica team up to tear a ANTM episode to pieces. It would be epic.
Tyra is literally “I used walk barefoot in the snow up hill both ways” in human form
😂😂😂
“Use your brain, girl!”
Well she did use her brain! She used her brain to strategize! Don’t hate the game that you created, Tyra!
lol right? Tyra is mad she hates dark skinned black women
Like don't get mad she found a loophole
I’ve been binging all of your ANTM videos. I can’t believe I never noticed how insane this show was when I used to watch it as a teenager. This one’s on another level though
Me too!! I loved this show when it was on, I watched it faithfully!! Never noticed all of the set ups and gas lighting until I started watching Jessica do reviews. If this show was on now, OMG it would be canceled!!!
@@rucianapollard7098 I know I remember agreeing with Tyra and Jay all the time 🙄
Yeah, watching now puts it in a whole different spectrum. I used to watch these wishing I could be on the show too. Glad I was never tall enough or allowed to do something like this! Kinda scarring some of these.
Same
Yesss...When i was young i thought this is just a photoshoot and never feeling this is so wrong...I must say the way tyra doing photoshoot is to extreme when im becoming adult
I have to say, Brad looked just as uncomfortable as the girls did. He looked like he was forced to do something he did not want to do.
The only answer that I have for the blurred face is stupid legal reasons. They did not have the guy agree to show his face or maybe did not even try to. I don’t agree with that. I cannot believe (I kind of do) that people saw her being assaulted and did not step in at all. Maybe the film people, like her were worried about being fired for stepping in. If you are worrying for being fired for helping someone, please leave.
I feel bad for Robin and I am glad the person helped her and did not take advantage of her because he fulfilled his end of the deal.
You all are so kind & compassionate. Getting grabbed & felt up by strangers in public was so normal in 90s & the men would get pissed when I hit, kicked or bit them. I would get yelled at for " making a scene". Thank GOD the world is changing.
So true about the (80's &) 90's! 💯 As a short-time working model in that time, it was REALLY toxic in so many ways. Sure modeling is fun, but it's NOT fun to be violated.
I had a man push his hand up my dress in a night club in England and that was as recent as about 10 years ago! I turned around shocked and he apologised but I wish I’d reported him! My friend who sometimes used to go out with me and wear revealing outfits always used to get men trying to touch her and would kick off with them whenever they did. I’m so glad the world is finally changing but it’s not happening fast enough!!!!
yep, at concerts, on buses, on trains. everywhere! it happened all the time but we barely blinked on eye cos there was nothing you could do. people would just tell you to ignore it!
Not normal. But way too common. I understand what you are saying that though. I was a teen in the 80's. I remember all kinds of sh:t that boys/men (strangers, bosses, friends of my boyfriends) did to me from age 10 onward. This cr@p has always happened and is STILL happening. Boys/men need to to be held accountable, not encouraged to treat women like garbage. And seeing women be a part of the enabling is truly awful. The arrogance coming from Tyra and the rest, so nauseating.
Ok but Brad's bio boils down to people say he looks like his parents and when asked about what his dreams are, he basically said "to fulfill my dreams".
There is either not a single thought behind those eyes or he was forced to fill out that fact sheet at gun point
Honestly that sounds like something I’d write being who wants to delve into a bunch of details? Who else would people say he looks like? I’m not daft but it makes sense. Especially the fulfill goals things. You gonna list everything?
@@elisejackson2854 then dont agree to fill out a bio about your self 😅 his answers make him seem kinda stupid
@@grantmegan91 Or he was just given it and filled it out in a hurry. To be honest I would do the same and I have a PHD in Psychology number (1) Your not giving all your personal details thoughts away, and remain mysterious
(2) You've keep and irrelevant thing short and to 1 point
What happened to Adrianne still so disgusting and the fact that no one did anything is messed up. On top of that she was behind on her go sees cause it’s greatly effected her but they all acted like it didn’t happen. Tyra would of known but as usual she doesn’t care. Also the 25 go sees seems like an exaggeration it’s unlikely unless she means from like the dead of morning to way late at night cause that’s a lot of people.
I’m sure Tyra would be like “well that happened to me but worse and I made it to all 100 go sees that day” 🤦🏻♀️
@@erinwarner3376 and she’d add how "beautiful” she was looking during the process
Antm was a huge mess
Tyra is the dictionary definition of narcissist
I agree and I feel like all of the models were harrassed by the photographer
This show is beyond disappointing. The judges really do have some nerve. The way they talk to Robin is insane. And that they say nothing to Adrienne about what happened to her….is there a gas leak in the room or something? What’s wrong with them?
If there is a gas leak, I wouldn't be surprised
How the heck can Tyra have 25 go-sees in a day when there are only 24 hours in a day. She’s fool of it!!
She's lying for sure. Probably she had 25 in 1 week, but she probably changed it to 1 day.
This happens so often. A model will make it to the final four and the judges say they look too old, too short, too plus-sized/fiercely real and eliminate them solely for that.
That annoy me so much because they knew that about them before they cast them.
I think it’s possible Tyra went to 25 go sees in one day, but she had a whole team behind her to translate, transport, locate, do all the hard work
Agreed!!
EXACTLY Jessica. Robin played their game, she worked around it to get where she needed to be, she didn't break any rules, and they're mad about it. Typical ANTM.
Now to play a bit of devil's advocate, watch out who you're with in a foreign country you're not familiar with. Today, yes. A camera crew is around. But on your own, be careful, which I think she can be.
I want Jessica to react to the plants photoshoot from Season 9. It was a cool concept with all girls getting their own flower/plant + there was a really spicy panel moment with Victoria defending herself bravely :)
Me too
I don't have a prickly disposition
@@imjoesan I just remember that they brought Chantal to tears somehow and chose a very strange photo of Saleisha. Which is a shame because tulips are my favourite flowers, hehe
I loved that season, with Heather. She was my fave, a natural, and representing neurodivergence ♾ 🧩 ❤️
Looooved Victoria
“This is supposed to be for Wonder Bra, right?” 😂 Exactly! As Janice would fuss “It’s always about the garment…” yet, we can barely see the garment 💁🏾♀️
This episode has stuck with me for so long. I remember seeing this when I was like 9 years old and thinking how horrific and scary men are. I’m now 26 and yeah, still scared of men in public like this. Scared of being groped, scared of being drugged since that’s happened twice, scared of seeing this happening and not being able to stop it. I ALWAYS say something when I see something now. I will never be that woman that walks right by another woman who has just been harassed or assaulted. I will NEVER succumb to the bystander effect
I'm so sorry about what happened to you.
A list of infamous ANTM quotes:
1. "Lack of persona."
2. "WE WERE ROOTING FOR YOU!!!"
3. "Booty tooch."
4. "Smize."
5. "Pot Ledom." (Top Model spelled backwards)
6. "The blame game."
I LOVE this list!!!!
“When I was a young model in Paris…”
"You were still able to do the photoshoot even tho you should be in hospital..."
Top model spelled backwards has me laughing out loud 🤣
I believe "dead in the eyes/ no passion in your eyes" should be on the list!
Production’s lack of urgency, awareness, support, and compassion for Adrienne was heartbreaking! The inaction from those production workers who were there witnessing the SA, was especially appalling. Sadly, inaction and turning a blind eye to sexual assault, sexual harassment, and domestic abuse of women has been the societal norm for far too long!!! 😤😡
Let's say a go-see is 30 minutes, plus 20-30 minutes between go-sees with transportation. That's 25 go-sees in 25 hours. So even if she didn't sleep through a whole day, she still didn't make 25 go-sees in 24 hours.
Some go-sees could've been pretty close tho, they're 25 go sees after all, the possibilities of one or two being close to each other are still there
@@katitadeb yeah but for her to make it to 25 theyd have to be all in the same street, come on
The agencies she visited were probably located in one big facility but she leaves that part out lol
I imagine since she saw so many the go sees may have been less than 20 minutes, and if that were the case I feel like the quality would go down with how fast they are. Idk though, I'm not in the industry.
@@sstjohn96 Even at 15mins per go see that's just over 6 hours, that's not including travel time between each. I doubt these places are staying open after hours. Plot twist maybe all 25 were at the same location or conducted at once.
I'm so happy you covered this one! I've been requesting this photoshoot for a while now because it's always struck me as the WORST photos ever seen on ANTM. I'm glad to see that you agree! The results are just horrendous. Also, Robin totally used her brain. It's absolutely disgusting that they should scold her for outsmarting them, and completely ignore what happened to Adrienne.
Sooooo did they use a professional photographer for this shoot or just the first random perv with a camera they found on the street? I was already getting that vibe and then the final photos solidified it for me.
They get mad at Robin for asking for help because "something could have happened" but don't even address something did happen to Adrianne.
Aren’t they the ones who gave her the bangs?! This show was wild! Smh
This does make me wonder if Shannon got the lesson from her agent or a friend in the modeling world about how things ACTUALLY work after this show, and brought it with her to All Stars. I single out Shannon specifically because in the All Stars season she was on, she was very firm about not doing underwear or nude shoots, to the point that the judges eliminated her for not doing an underwear shoot (possibly with a male model, my memory is fuzzy). She presented it as a personal moral line (something like "underwear is something I only want my partner to see me in"), but I do wonder if that was the show cutting around her trying to say that it's an issue of informed consent and respect on the job. I think she was like 19 in this season and obviously didn't have any real, professional modeling experience (that's one of the requirements to be on the show, I'm pretty sure) so she wouldn't have necessarily had the knowledge about how things really are/should be at the time.
You make a valid point. She probably did get genuine advice from her agent where she has to right to decline any shoot that involves nudity/wearing lingerie.
Surely someone told her
I really liked her on All Stars and I liked her standing her ground. You can tell the people running the show hated it and kept trying to get her in a "gotcha!" moment but it didn't work. I think the word they gave her brand was "trustworthy" and she is. Which is also something this show really knows nothing about.
@@PandoraStolen she looked GORGEOUS on All Stars
Like she’d had her tank top on and hair slicked back in the confessionals and I thought “idk if people say this girl is boring, she looks like a model. She looks like well what I thought all these other girls would look like. I was seeing people with her look in Clinique ads, in Lucky magazine… in beauty content”. In 2003 she was a pretty girl, in 2011 she looked like an elegant and confident woman.
Shannon got it worked into her contract with Elite (the agency she was with before all stars and alluded to in the first episode) that she would not be doing underwear. Usually they did not do this so it showed Elite still had a lot of faith in her that she could book for other castings and honestly it’s no sweat off their back because they can send so many other girls to a casting for lingerie
Also the production staff of all stars took her for a ride: when they called her to give the pitch about All Stars she told them about how she doesn’t shoot underwear anymore and they explicitly said to her that was not an issue. So her beef was that she was brought onto All Stars under false pretenses.
Tyra used to do a thousand go-sees in one day, barefoot, in the snow, uphill both ways
Tyra said “use your brain” and Robin used her brain by asking help. It is not an easy task to ask some stranger in a firefight country for help, and yet she did. Good for her!! I think you are right, they were very unhappy because Robin didn’t struggle finding the places for go sees (or whatever they are called).
I can’t believe I didn’t realize how ridiculous and disturbing ANTM is 😬. Thanks for shedding light on this.
What happened to Adrienne was awful. And what happened to Shandi the next season was even worse. As everyone including the camera people, the producers, and the other girls let a very drunk 19 year old go into a bedroom with a man. I do not believe she was sober enough to consent, and it emotionally wrecked her to the point where I think that's a big part of why she ended up losing.
Exactly! She was completely drunk! It’s interesting how times have changed to where the situation is clearly viewed as wrong, at least in America.
А зачем Шанди напилась? Если у неё проблемы с алкоголем, то она должна была лечиться, а не участвовать в шоу. Все знают, что в шоу не будет лëгкой жизни. И она не придумала ничего лучше, чем снять напряжение алкоголем?
@@selenarios3112 what victim?? I clearly remember that episode and she wasn't drunk when she was flirting with him in that hot tub!! She's no victim!!
@@reginaavramova1 I agree with you 💯
@@MsMockingbird06 why would Shandi get completely drunk and sleep with a stranger?!!? That is insane!! I remember that episode very well and I thought she behaved like a cheap slut!!
Robin used her initiative & asked for assistance from a local, which is what anyone would do when they're visiting a location away from home. Folk be mad she did something they didn't think of and then punish her for it. Nahhhhh
I did some molding as a kid. At the agency, on your first day, they give you a form w/ all the things you're willing to model w/ eg. smoking, alcohol, animal products, lingerie (obviously if you're under 18 some things you can't do at all) and skills you have eg. stunts, horseback riding
The show highlights the actual horror stories some people survive trying to break into the industry.
Calling Robin "plus size" is the very definition of diet culture
The more I rewatch theses episodes, the more I realize how little control ANTM models had over their success in the competition. It's very obvious that the producers/ Tyra create a narrative, and will purposely set up certain models to fail. I hope their time on this show did not have long term consequences on their self-esteem and mental health.
I feel like even the male model was uncomfortable as well. He like legit didn't connect with ANY of the girls. He was just there, frozen. This episode was a mess
That is something that has always bugged me about this show. Tyra has talked about how she had guidelines of what and what she wouldn’t do as a model and that her mom was always there to make sure it was stuck to. But then on the show she tells the models that they have to be prepared for anything and doing things they aren’t comfortable with because that’s the modeling world…
Great point
During paris fashionweek I had the most castings of my agency, which were around 15, max 20 a day. I had a driver because by doing it all by metro you’ll loose to much time. I still couldn’t make all 20 and only could do the important ones. 25 gosees/castings in one day by metro is impossible.
That's what I thought. Banks just wanted to gaslight the girls for the drama of TV.
The only reason Adrienne didn't make her go see is that she was sexually assaulted. And...who gave her those bangs? Cause she didn't have bangs when she started. So she agrees that Tyra's styling is bad. They did Adrienne so dirty here. The worst part if this dressing down is that the producers definitely tattled on Robyn for getting help, but either failed to mention the fact that Adrienne was not helped, or they did tell Tyra and she just didn't care.
It’s really sad how many models Tyra sent out there thinking they had to do whatever they were told to do. The culture she helped create by doing that. I watched this show the first many seasons when they first aired and I fully bought into that models had to do whatever they were told. I was 18 when the show came out!
30:54 "theres no market for plus sizes in france", then where does she get her own clothes? She's a bigger size than the model shes tryna trash
I think Robin’s photo was absolutely the ONLY one who actually displayed the bra. Tyra seems to just expose, embarrass and break down these beautiful women, and just blow her own flute to make her look better than others
25 castings in a day is only possible when you have a motorcycle driver taking you around town, and even then only when the casting directors all make accommodations for the model to not wait in line. 8-10 is possible, maybe a few more when there are smaller clients who send you away immediately.
Exactly. I don't believe Tyra made it all those go-sees without ANY form of help.
Its possible a huge majority of those go sees were either in the same building, or even on the same street. they had an episode of ANTM where there was a go see with 3 designers in the same room, and it counted as 3 go sees.
In their defense (kind of), I believe Adrianne did say they did do something about that creep, but you're right. They need to expose him. How's that fair to hide him and embarrass her?
Came here to say this. She said the camera crew stopped him when he tried to come back the second time or something
They legally have to blur his face.
This was genuinely the most hilarious reaction to ANTM, I was crying seeing those pics and your comments to them 🤣
I love how you make sure to call out these situations where the models' consent was not obtained. it's very important to have voices from the industry telling new models they don't have to just do whatever they're asked with no regard for their personal comfort.
I was a model with Ford Chicago and you would be given a list of things and you would check off what you were/weren’t okay with doing. I can’t remember which way. But you were able to check off no cigarette ads, alcohol adds, no nudity. Etc.
Even at a test shoot where the shirt was see through. I was able to speak up and tell the photographer to photoshop out any revealing part.
Ford was really good about advocating for models. If you ever felt uncomfortable on a shoot you were told to call your agent and have them have those conversations with the client or the photographer.
Robin got a hardcore villain edit, especially while filming in the penthouse. Which I think is why the judges were giving negative feedback sometimes, even when it didn't really make sense.
I love how the judges were all crammed together on a craft services table like they only had the budget for the one hotel room and had to shoot everything in that room.
Don't forget this was their 1st season
I believe they didn’t do anything about the creep and they also blurred his face, because they probably asked him to do it. She was probably SAed at some point in her life and they figured this creep touching her would trigger her …. And it did. He got paid and they got to put Adrienne in the bottom 2 …. AND insult her about her appearance…. Again.
Robynne used the "little French man" because she doesn't speak or understand the language of the country she's in. It's way beyond her trying to not "use her brain." The girl couldn't become bilingual overnight.
There are 24 hours in a day. If she had 25 go-sees, then there were most likely multiple agencies in one building, or an event of some type where reps were gathered.
To have 25 go-sees in a whole 24 hour day (this would be a 24 hour, no break, work day), she would have 57.6 minutes allotted to each one including any travel time. If we're talking about a 12 hour day, she would have 28.8 minutes allotted to each go-see including travel time. It would be impossible unless she had multiple go-sees in the same location or something like that
I’m having such a mandela effect moment right now because a few days ago I went looking for this video being convinced you had already made it! @.@ so glad you decided to make a video about this episode, always looking forward to your uploads
The moment they said “you cheated by being strategic and having someone help you” I literally screamed “WHAT?!”
She didn’t do anything wrong! It’s not like it was a scavenger hunt or a race. That wasn’t cheating at all!
Also, that assault was horrible and they did nothing about it. Poor one.
I watched this show for most of my life and its hilarious to me how each year it gets worse and worse as i re watch it. How these girls were treated just baffles me. Yes they signed up a reality tv show and the modeling world is tough, but all the gaslighting, putting the contestants in uncomfortable/dangerous situations, the transphobia that that transgender contestant dealt with ( I refuse to watch that season ever again), and the body shaming. Is just not it. Tyra had such an opportunity here to change all those issues she encountered and wasted it for 20+ years smh. Instead she was like i went through hell and you do too..like no. Becoming successful is hard work but no sis that aint it.
I've only watched a few of these shows and find it so frustrating for the girls that they get criticised for doing what the photographers tell them. For goodness sake, stop blaming them and have a go at the photographer. I know it's a savage industry but a little bit of kind and constructive criticism wouldn't hurt.
Remember, this is a "modeling competition", but at the end of the day, it's a REALITY SHOW. They need stories, no matter how weird or out of context it is. A lot of models on this show have said this that production needs drama out of them.
You know I think I know why they did this they made Robin look like she could had gotten hurt for asking a stranger for help and yet ignored and negated Adrian when she actually got harassed and hurt in a way it’s like they where shifting the audiences attention off of them and onto someone else
The only way Tyra could go on 25 go sees is if there were like 6 agencies in one building…because I’m assuming agencies aren’t open at 6am or 11pm? But I don’t know anything 😂
not sure how these poses advertise the products... especially when the girl is fully behind the guy and the bra is not even visible
Exactly!!
My favorite photo is Robins because that photo represents how I feel about this whole shoot.
When I was a kid I was obsessed with this show and looked up to Tyra so much and now I watch it and I just want to cry and hide under the covers at the way the ladies are all treated 😳
You should react to the cycle 15 shoot where the girls are statues and one of the girls is forced to pose with a male model even though she's uncomfortable.
They did my girl Kayla dirty in that cycle
Jessica already did a video on it. I felt so bad for Kayla.
That photographer was so creepy! I'm not sure if it was due to editing, if he was playing a character for the show, or if that's genuinely how he is but all my alarm bells were ringing!
Does a lingerie photo shoot, then proceed to pick a picture where you don't see the lingerie
25 go sees? Ok Tyra lol unless multiple ones were in the same building, idk how that’s possible.
They were just mad that Robyn thought outside the box lol
Isn't the phrase "think smarter, not harder"? That was a very smart thought Robin had lol. I approve ✅️
The fact that they addressed the fact that robin got help from a local to go around a city and not talking about adrienne. That probably means that the camera crew were instructed not to intervene. Which is kindda F if it's the case.
Basically they want them to struggle alone in a foreign city, so Robin asking for help was crossing the line, but adrienne s.a wasn't because she didn't receive help.
Oh-ho-ho! The next episode will be a roller coaster--a nightmare roller coaster. It may be difficult to react to it all, but it's worth a shot. Also, for this photoshoot, it made me realize that my former co-worker was right--these photoshoots were total jokes. Nothing marketable about MOST photos on ANTM.
Side note: I don't like Robyn at all, but the show REALLY did her dirty.
Why didn't you like Robin?? I thought she was sweet
No way did Tyra have 25 go sees in one day unless it was in the same building. There’s only 24 hours in a day sweetie.
Ok...this feels like as if they picked some shady photographer who usually does p*rn shootings, but for a very low price.
Everytime I watch an ANTM reaction I feel more appreciative for GNTM. We have a lot of shady moments too, but the overall quality is 10x better and Heidi doesn't disrespect models boundaries for entertainment. At least not to this concerning degree.
I think this was the first photoshoot I've seen where all the final pictures were bad. And it was all on the photographer, since his job was to make sure the models were posing so the lingerie was highlighted. Of the ones where you could see the lingerie, the cropping and quality was atrocious. Those things are beyond the models' control.
The judges' double standard with regards to Adrianne and Robin was sickening. Robin WAS using her brain; she knew she had a camera crew following her, so she reasonably assumed that the French man wasn't going to harm her since they were being filmed. She got scolded for smartly doing something that nobody had told her was against any rules. On the other hand, the camera crew didn't even intervene when the stranger was inappropriate towards Adrianne. None of them thought about stepping in after he touched her the first time? They should have been fired.
The shoot was weirdly sleezy like the photographer.
You said "Models are people, too." The shows always made me feel like they are not. They are just bodies who are used to show clothes and items, they are not allowed to have any personality or any feelings. And I think there were times when (younger) models were treated like that. Same with actresses etc. Luckily, this kind of thinking is dying.
Yeah that photographer was creepy asf. Also the photos were giving snuff vibes 🤢
@@yennefer440 if you think these photos have “snuff vibes” then you clearly aren’t aware of what snuff films are. Don’t throw around words you don’t understand for the sake of trying to look cool on the internet 🙄🙄
side note, thank you so much for adding an sa trigger warning AND time stamp in the warning so ppl could skip
the gasp i gasped when they said the best picture was the test shot. The audacity of antm 😤
My fiancé would feel so uncomfortable with this. He doesn’t like if the windows are open because a neighbor might see him without a shirt. These women must be so uncomfortable
I learned a lot of the time the camera crew is asked not to interfere with anything so everything is as "authentic" as possible, but if I were a camera person on the show and saw that, the camera would come down and the gloves would come off. No one has the right to touch people without consent. Even on the photoshoot! I agree with Jessica. Whenever I wanted to adjust even the smallest things on my models during photoshoots, I would ask permission, especially when they couldn't do it themselves. The guy going up and just touching them gave me the ick! Honestly, he gave me ick vibes in general. He joins the pervert category for this episode for me.
TW : SA
this is the episode where Adriene was assaulted by stranger on the street and the producer did nothing....
Yes…..a lengthy TW was provided on a blacked out screen with the time stamp provided for those who prefer to bypass that portion of the video and resume watching after any footage or discussion of the SA event.
I wonder if Adrienne didn't mention the assault affecting her go-sees because she knew they would tell her not to whine or make excuses.
I think the male model knew they weren't comfortable so it was awkward for all of them. I feel this wasn't representative of a pro photoshoot as you said, Jess. I noticed when I tried freelance modeling the shoots would usually turn more sexual or they'd ask if I was OK to strip down which is why I got out of it. In the moment it's harder to say no because it catches you off guard and you're there to get pictures and experience.
Wonder bra, cause you wonder where the bra is on the pic. That was the worst photoshoot in ANTM, looked like a perv was taking pictures in some cheap scenario. On top of it, the sa, the panel... what a nightmare
It's good to see how much, at least the top model program has changed. In Holland next top model they have different genders, sizes, non-binary, transgender, etc. And they also say with the makeovers for example, if you don't want to do it, you don't have to. Because your mental state is more important. And they also really keep the models in mind with what they've been through. I think that is really awesome how far they've gone.
And they give great direction! This all looks super amaturistic.
So much less created drama, yet it's still entertaining to watch.
The male model was probably trying to not be a creep, he's been put in a position that is impossible to be taken well.
To think I used to look up to Tyra as a teenager watching this show. At 28 I hate seeing how these judges treat these models. Like you said, models are people!
Jessica: what kind of photo shoot are we doing here
Me: certainly not a professional one