Good Stuff Clark, Ive worked on a lot of those m137 engines, back in the day, Ionic Missfire Detection Coils, never took one of those transformers apart of the coil packs. Was only trained in Mercedes Tech 240 to Diagnose rectifiey the missfire. In Summary a whole bank out Usually the transformer, a quadrant of 3 cyls , one of the coil packs, single misfire usually plugs or a red boot, Along with misfires I replaced a lot of the Oil/Water heatexchangers between the heads. Good Times, I'm still with Mercedes today in Arizona. Also v12 owners, do a full set of 24 plugs because these Ionic Misfire Detection Coils Burn plugs up fast,
Hi seeing you were trained w/ Mercedes. I'd like to ask you where would I go about locating the voltage converter for a 2010, GL450, x164. Dashboard has "aux battery malfunction" sign for many months even after the battery was replaced with a new genuine one from MB. While searching online I was advised to check/replace the voltage converter/ regulator. But can't seem to find where it is.
Sorry... never had any Mercedes training - or any other automotive training. I know the ignition systems on the V12's but that's it. Well..... relative to what characteristics cross over from one model to another.
A good idea to indicate a fuse is blown would be to put a parallel LED with a huge resistor in line (200K Ohms or so) and drill this diode into the cover or main frame. Would save time.
Great video! very illustrative. I wonder if I can do this type of repair. The SMC replacement for the tantalum caps is a no brainer, and I can do the 16 pin transistor as well since I have the equipment handy. I will have to check where to mount the fuse line by doing some testing but all in all I have a decent idea to start from. Great content Clark, keep up the good work!
Absolutely. the transformer is the power supply for the coil packs. I'm not rebuilding these anymore but have an entirely new design.. I call it the Boost Box.
@@clarkrupp Like I said, a Legend! What do they sell for? Got the car from a guy who took the car to a shop and they can't figure out why it will not start, he said they replaced the computer, coil packs, starter and it doesn't do anything when you turn the key beside light up the dash.
@@clarkrupp Would think a shop should check the fuses as a first step 🤔 why would a OBD fuse stop it from starting? Engine doesn't even spin, turn key and nothing from under the hood. Car is being transported to me so don't have my hands on it yet.
Hello, this is a great video . I’m wondering if u have done a video showing how to change the crankshaft position sensor on V12 biturbo engine . My car is 2006 CL 65 amg and I can’t see the sensor at all . Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
I changed all 24 spark plugs checked fuel injectors changed a ignition coil and still have 2 missfire codes on my 07 s600 after a year a shop told me about this module and I feels it's definitely the cause of my misfire especially with this brutal arizona heat
Well..... looking at the transformer connector ..... the bottom two pins in the middle are 12v input to the transformer. The upper right and left hand corners are the 180v outputs for corresponding side of the engine as you do the left/right pins. The bottom two pins on the right are the 23v outputs. If all the voltages are present it doesn't mean the transformer is good - they still fail under load or at operating temperature. If one or more of the output voltages is not there then you know 100% the transformer needs to be replaced with my Boost Box. - my design for plug and play ease for OEM transformer upgrade.
I think i need one. I blew the #28 or #29 20 amp fuse that left the car at a no crank no start and no communication with ecm. So i replaced the 20 amp fuse and got the car started. Now its showing me multiple missfires. I did disconnect the battery to see if restarting the ecm would help. Then ive read to drive it a while to try and make ecm relearn itself. I dont see that happening. My question is how can i purchase your voltage transformer. I have a 2001 Cl 600 non turbo. Im in san Diego california. Thanks in advance with any help you can provide. BTW Ive already replaced both sides of the coil packs and plugs roughly 2 years ago.
@@clarkrupp i have missfires through bank 1-6 including the p0300 which indicates multiple miss fires. The car ran fine before parked at idle with the woofers blasting.. And car just shut off. no crank no start.
@clarkrupp man..I did get the amazon voltage transformer from Amazon. It worked. But on a cold start the check engine light come on showing 7 missfires. I turn the ignition off and restart after a few minutes and it's back to 12 cylinders no missfires. I have my scanner. So that volt transformer is not right. So..I ordered another transformer from ebay and sending amazon back. I hope this resolves. If not I'll be trying to send you $700 for yours. Which I know your refurbish transformers may be legit and correct. You're a lil pricey but my last option..lol. I should buy one of yours anyway.. But thats where im at.
Just one of those deals where at first I was doing it for my own benefit as people were blowing up my rental units. - just stayed on the path I started going down thinking the small volume wasn't worth it. May come back and look at them again because I'm rebuilding a lot more of these than I intended to ! Good question though !
I am looking at a 2001 mb v12 car. The seller says the car runs then dies in a few minutes and was told it is a bad Ignition Module which has to be programmed by MB. Is it necessary to program it and if so will you be able to clone these rebuilt ones to the bad one?
There is no programming on the Voltage Transformer or the coil packs. If they don’t know that they don’t know what’s wrong with car. For budget purpose you probably need both packs and a VT ...$2K
Anything possible given time and desire. If you could get a hold of the AMP connectors from a junker you could rig something up. The upgraded ones I do can handle the heat.
@@f0fIII I quit rebuilding the OEM units and have focused my efforts on an entirely re-engineered product. Prototype circuit board hopefully getting released to pcb shop for samples. Should in production by the end of summer. Will mount off the engine and cable over to the exisiting harness.
Hi Clark Delani here from South Africa, i recently found your video and iam dealing with problem in the shop now. The v12 s600 was bought second hand with a coil pack problem and engine light on, so i replaced it with a new one and the car drove fine. After a day of releasing the car the client takes it on a 600 km drive and when he got there the car then had no power. He drove it back on limb mode he could only do 130km/h, when it got to me it had the P0300 code and all cylinder on the right were not firing and yet i had changed the coil pack on the left bank. so i have taken the voltage transformer to a place called ECU EXPRESS so the can diagnose if it is not that, that is messed up. What do you think the next step is because on my diagnostic report it says all injectors an the right are shut off???? Your assistance will be highly appreciated!!!!
It can only be the pack or VT when you loose a whole bank like that. Go to the coil pack harness and unplug it. With the key on - engine not running. Check the three corners of the connectors that have wires in them. One of them should be @ 180vdc. If you have that, then its the pack, if not , its the VT. Call or text 916-802-1045
@@clarkrupp thanks Clark, the owner of the car bought a second IVT from a merc scrap yard and it is still doing the same thing. I did the voltage DC test and did not get the 180vdc so im assuming that the one from the scrapyard is also faulty, any takes?
@@delanimbatha7145 You got 180vdc on one side and not the other ? If you didn't get it on either side you're not testing is right. Otherwise, I agree !
@@clarkrupp I DID GET 180V ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE BUT NOT THE OTHER I THEN WENT TO MERC AND BOUGHT THE IVT NEW THEN FITTED IT BUT STILL DIDN'T GET THE 180V ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE SO THE TROUBLE CODE P0300 IS STILL THER. I THEN TESTED THE RESISTANCE OF ALL THE WIRES AND THERE WAS, BUT THE IVT WAS NOT GETTING POWER FROM THE ECU.... WHAT NOW???
Clarke I have a 07 s65 it has misfiring on the passenger side on the . I guess that's 1-6 . The shop says it's on all cylinders on the right side but one minute it runs fine then it shuts down on the right side. But when it runs fine the check engine light stays on and you can't tell anything wrong with it. Can you help me?? My car only has 49,000 miles
Hi...Clark. My 2004 S600 when cold in the morning starts up with cylinder 1 to 6 misfires, I changed the coil pack with MBZ part, but still the same. when Engine warm and if I clear the codes then no problem. What do you suggest is it the voltage control module or some else Please help. Thank you.
Hey I know it's an old video, could a 95 s500 ezl be rebuild? I do micro soldering for work, also had a question about cooling the unit. What are you thoughts on mineral oil cooling with am external pump oil and a pc radiator??
You're thinking outside the box ! I'm not familiar with the older 500's and mineral oil ???? No idea..... you might dig around and see if anyone has done that with any similar application
Yes, versions of ASIC cryptocurrency miners use mineral oil cooling on the entire chassis and even the power supplies are submerged (as me how I know this : ) Makes for challenges when comes time to upgrade/sell, but as long as you can assure containment on the liquid coolant, you're golden.
@@leechen4401 I looked into the design of the coil packs on 65 motors issue Is of sealing it tight! I think it could be potential fire hazard unless you can come with a sealed encloser that'll stay leak proof and can withstand engine bay Temps
This process/product has been replaced with my new Boost Box. It is a remote mount, 4 line fuse protected direct OEM plug and play replacement for the original transformer
A whole new reengineered voltage transformer is in the works. It will be slick ! Mounted off the engine and most solid state components. Targeting the end of 2020 but price not set - close to a coil pack price +/-
The light come I have the some problem in the video I just or voltage transformer ignition control because not available at the deal here in my country
@@mohameda514 At that low of mileage it's probably your left side pack. Use my email to get a hold of me... clarkruppjr@gmail.com Where are you located ?
Thank God we have people like you assisting us with the V12 AMG world!
I try ! Thanks !
Thank you for the clear and concise tutorial. It was refreshing and it gave me the confidence to open the unit up and take a peek.
thank you for fixing my Mercedes 2001 v12 5.8 coil pack and getting it to us so Quickly . car runs quite well now , will do more biz with you too...
How do I contact this person to get mine?
Good Stuff Clark, Ive worked on a lot of those m137 engines, back in the day, Ionic Missfire Detection Coils, never took one of those
transformers apart of the coil packs. Was only trained in Mercedes Tech 240 to Diagnose rectifiey the missfire. In Summary a whole bank out
Usually the transformer, a quadrant of 3 cyls , one of the coil packs, single misfire usually plugs or a red boot, Along with misfires I
replaced a lot of the Oil/Water heatexchangers between the heads. Good Times, I'm still with Mercedes today in Arizona.
Also v12 owners, do a full set of 24 plugs because these Ionic Misfire Detection Coils Burn plugs up fast,
Keeps me pretty busy these days. I rebuilt over 500 coil packs and the voltage transformers are rolling in. I can always take one more !
Hi seeing you were trained w/ Mercedes. I'd like to ask you where would I go about locating the voltage converter for a 2010, GL450, x164. Dashboard has "aux battery malfunction" sign for many months even after the battery was replaced with a new genuine one from MB. While searching online I was advised to check/replace the voltage converter/ regulator. But can't seem to find where it is.
Sorry... never had any Mercedes training - or any other automotive training. I know the ignition systems on the V12's but that's it. Well..... relative to what characteristics cross over from one model to another.
@@candlemedia That Converter is designated N24/3 and is under the left rear seat area.
@@clarkrupp I need one tell me how to get please. I have an 05 s600 5.5 v12
Nice unknown channel and video.
A good idea to indicate a fuse is blown would be to put a parallel LED with a huge resistor in line (200K Ohms or so) and drill this diode into the cover or main frame. Would save time.
Great video! very illustrative. I wonder if I can do this type of repair. The SMC replacement for the tantalum caps is a no brainer, and I can do the 16 pin transistor as well since I have the equipment handy. I will have to check where to mount the fuse line by doing some testing but all in all I have a decent idea to start from. Great content Clark, keep up the good work!
Do these require programming for a new part from dealer or online and also is a anti theft part thats hard to buy
This man is a legend in the CL600 world. Would one of these going out cause a no start no crank?
Absolutely. the transformer is the power supply for the coil packs. I'm not rebuilding these anymore but have an entirely new design.. I call it the Boost Box.
@@clarkrupp Like I said, a Legend! What do they sell for? Got the car from a guy who took the car to a shop and they can't figure out why it will not start, he said they replaced the computer, coil packs, starter and it doesn't do anything when you turn the key beside light up the dash.
@@Level_Up_Nation what year ? Sounds like a blown 20a fuse to the OBD port/ big difference between no start and no crank
@@clarkrupp 2002 CL600 wanted to see if I could figure it out before taking to dealership, got the car for $1000, so figured it was worth the gamble.
@@clarkrupp Would think a shop should check the fuses as a first step 🤔 why would a OBD fuse stop it from starting? Engine doesn't even spin, turn key and nothing from under the hood. Car is being transported to me so don't have my hands on it yet.
Hello, this is a great video . I’m wondering if u have done a video showing how to change the crankshaft position sensor on V12 biturbo engine . My car is 2006 CL 65 amg and I can’t see the sensor at all . Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
I changed all 24 spark plugs checked fuel injectors changed a ignition coil and still have 2 missfire codes on my 07 s600 after a year a shop told me about this module and I feels it's definitely the cause of my misfire especially with this brutal arizona heat
Call me anytime 916-802-1045 or email @ clarkruppjr@gmail.com Let's walk through what's you've done/what's going on and we'll get you back to 12 !
One question: what kind of fuses use??? How much amperes??
1 amp 5mm x 20mm
Hey, nice work there. do you fix ECUs too? thanks
No on the ECU. Transformers are now an entirely new design from the ground up
Great job.
I need one asap. Do you sale them?
How would I test it and understand that my issue is this part?
Well..... looking at the transformer connector ..... the bottom two pins in the middle are 12v input to the transformer. The upper right and left hand corners are the 180v outputs for corresponding side of the engine as you do the left/right pins. The bottom two pins on the right are the 23v outputs. If all the voltages are present it doesn't mean the transformer is good - they still fail under load or at operating temperature. If one or more of the output voltages is not there then you know 100% the transformer needs to be replaced with my Boost Box. - my design for plug and play ease for OEM transformer upgrade.
I think i need one. I blew the #28 or #29 20 amp fuse that left the car at a no crank no start and no communication with ecm. So i replaced the 20 amp fuse and got the car started. Now its showing me multiple missfires. I did disconnect the battery to see if restarting the ecm would help. Then ive read to drive it a while to try and make ecm relearn itself. I dont see that happening. My question is how can i purchase your voltage transformer. I have a 2001 Cl 600 non turbo.
Im in san Diego california. Thanks in advance with any help you can provide.
BTW Ive already replaced both sides of the coil packs and plugs roughly 2 years ago.
Give me a call 916-802-1045
@@clarkrupp i have missfires through bank 1-6 including the p0300 which indicates multiple miss fires. The car ran fine before parked at idle with the woofers blasting.. And car just shut off. no crank no start.
Did you ever get this resolved ??
@clarkrupp man..I did get the amazon voltage transformer from Amazon. It worked. But on a cold start the check engine light come on showing 7 missfires. I turn the ignition off and restart after a few minutes and it's back to 12 cylinders no missfires. I have my scanner. So that volt transformer is not right. So..I ordered another transformer from ebay and sending amazon back. I hope this resolves. If not I'll be trying to send you $700 for yours. Which I know your refurbish transformers may be legit and correct. You're a lil pricey but my last option..lol.
I should buy one of yours anyway..
But thats where im at.
Genuine question, why didn't you put in a resettable fuse?
Just one of those deals where at first I was doing it for my own benefit as people were blowing up my rental units. - just stayed on the path I started going down thinking the small volume wasn't worth it. May come back and look at them again because I'm rebuilding a lot more of these than I intended to ! Good question though !
Are u still helping out with this..I have a cl600 2002 v12
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I am looking at a 2001 mb v12 car. The seller says the car runs then dies in a few minutes and was told it is a bad Ignition Module which has to be programmed by MB. Is it necessary to program it and if so will you be able to clone these rebuilt ones to the bad one?
There is no programming on the Voltage Transformer or the coil packs. If they don’t know that they don’t know what’s wrong with car. For budget purpose you probably need both packs and a VT ...$2K
Is it possible to modify the harness to put the module away from the engine?
Anything possible given time and desire. If you could get a hold of the AMP connectors from a junker you could rig something up. The upgraded ones I do can handle the heat.
How do we set up a purchase we need one ASAP. We are a automotive speed shop let’s Set this up.
Give me a call 916-802-1045
@@clarkrupp still available??
@@f0fIII I quit rebuilding the OEM units and have focused my efforts on an entirely re-engineered product. Prototype circuit board hopefully getting released to pcb shop for samples. Should in production by the end of summer. Will mount off the engine and cable over to the exisiting harness.
@@clarkrupp oke i dont need it now anyway so i can wait
German engineering at its finest.
Hi Clark Delani here from South Africa, i recently found your video and iam dealing with problem in the shop now. The v12 s600 was bought second hand with a coil pack problem and engine light on, so i replaced it with a new one and the car drove fine. After a day of releasing the car the client takes it on a 600 km drive and when he got there the car then had no power. He drove it back on limb mode he could only do 130km/h, when it got to me it had the P0300 code and all cylinder on the right were not firing and yet i had changed the coil pack on the left bank. so i have taken the voltage transformer to a place called ECU EXPRESS so the can diagnose if it is not that, that is messed up. What do you think the next step is because on my diagnostic report it says all injectors an the right are shut off????
Your assistance will be highly appreciated!!!!
It can only be the pack or VT when you loose a whole bank like that. Go to the coil pack harness and unplug it. With the key on - engine not running. Check the three corners of the connectors that have wires in them. One of them should be @ 180vdc. If you have that, then its the pack, if not , its the VT. Call or text 916-802-1045
@@clarkrupp thanks Clark, the owner of the car bought a second IVT from a merc scrap yard and it is still doing the same thing. I did the voltage DC test and did not get the 180vdc so im assuming that the one from the scrapyard is also faulty, any takes?
@@delanimbatha7145 You got 180vdc on one side and not the other ? If you didn't get it on either side you're not testing is right. Otherwise, I agree !
@@clarkrupp I DID GET 180V ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE BUT NOT THE OTHER I THEN WENT TO MERC AND BOUGHT THE IVT NEW THEN FITTED IT BUT STILL DIDN'T GET THE 180V ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE SO THE TROUBLE CODE P0300 IS STILL THER. I THEN TESTED THE RESISTANCE OF ALL THE WIRES AND THERE WAS, BUT THE IVT WAS NOT GETTING POWER FROM THE ECU.... WHAT NOW???
@@delanimbatha7145 Let's move this over to email....... contact me at clarkruppjr@gmail.com
Hi, how much is one of your voltage transformer unit and the referb coil pack
$585 for VT and $699 for coil pack
Clarke I have a 07 s65 it has misfiring on the passenger side on the . I guess that's 1-6 . The shop says it's on all cylinders on the right side but one minute it runs fine then it shuts down on the right side. But when it runs fine the check engine light stays on and you can't tell anything wrong with it. Can you help me?? My car only has 49,000 miles
Good talking with you Kevin !
What did fix this issue? I have similar
Hi...Clark. My 2004 S600 when cold in the morning starts up with cylinder 1 to 6 misfires, I changed the coil pack with MBZ part, but still the same. when Engine warm and if I clear the codes then no problem. What do you suggest is it the voltage control module or some else Please help. Thank you.
If you've got a new pack in there it pretty much has to be the VT. I will say I've replaced a lot of MBz purchased packs after 1-2 years in the car
Hey I know it's an old video, could a 95 s500 ezl be rebuild? I do micro soldering for work, also had a question about cooling the unit. What are you thoughts on mineral oil cooling with am external pump oil and a pc radiator??
You're thinking outside the box ! I'm not familiar with the older 500's and mineral oil ???? No idea..... you might dig around and see if anyone has done that with any similar application
@@clarkrupp people cool the entire pc with mineral oil, motherboard, cpu,ram ssd's even the power supplies! And power supplies are almost 1000W
@@clarkrupp my s500's EZL is overheating I think I'm going to give it a try and see how it goes
Yes, versions of ASIC cryptocurrency miners use mineral oil cooling on the entire chassis and even the power supplies are submerged (as me how I know this : ) Makes for challenges when comes time to upgrade/sell, but as long as you can assure containment on the liquid coolant, you're golden.
@@leechen4401 I looked into the design of the coil packs on 65 motors issue Is of sealing it tight! I think it could be potential fire hazard unless you can come with a sealed encloser that'll stay leak proof and can withstand engine bay Temps
How much for 05 s600 module?. I need one
This process/product has been replaced with my new Boost Box. It is a remote mount, 4 line fuse protected direct OEM plug and play replacement for the original transformer
@@clarkrupp how much to purchase one?
@@bossmanjerry1 They're $675 check out my website if you haven't seen it V12icpack.com
Wish we could move these to be mounted in a cooler area
Mustang_maya1 Hang tight ! All new design in the works....
how much to get one?
A whole new reengineered voltage transformer is in the works. It will be slick ! Mounted off the engine and most solid state components. Targeting the end of 2020 but price not set - close to a coil pack price +/-
do you have these part for a W220
I just sell the upgraded units ..... not the individual components.
where to buy?
riktbrinke in my store (bottom of website- after last video) At V12icpack.com
Need one immediately plzzzz!!!! Lol
Me and both 😭😭
I jump started a crown vic and since then I have had issue and the next day I lost 1-6
Ill hit you up next time a customer Balks at the cost to replace one of those units
Hi everyone can someone help I have w221 s600 2007 code coming 7,8,9,10,11,12 all misfire， if anyone can help me what’s the problem . Thank all
It's either your coil pack or voltage transformer. How many miles are on the car ?
75000km
The light come I have the some problem in the video I just or voltage transformer ignition control because not available at the deal here in my country
@@mohameda514 At that low of mileage it's probably your left side pack. Use my email to get a hold of me... clarkruppjr@gmail.com Where are you located ?